April 30, 2025 • 36 mins
In the first hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Hugh Millen chat with Mike Florio about the NFL Draft including Shedeur Sanders falling and his prank call, then continue to discuss the Seahawks later-round draft picks from last week before having some Fun with Audio.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Where we go.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Good mood today.
Speaker 3 (00:02):
Got some great weather up here on the shores of
Elliot by Mariners and Angels. Get to that coming up
later on this afternoon. Mike Florio will join us in
a matter of minutes here on the air, talks of
NFL with him Petros Petros at four for a little
fun with Petros, and then we'll talk to Larry Stone
coming up courtesy of the Ram tonight, Hugh at five o'clock.
(00:23):
But I want to put your parent hat on your
head for a second. I want you to put yourself
in the shoes of Falcon defensive coordinator Jeff Ulbrick, and
I want you to take the shoes of either Kale
Millan or Clay Millan and put your son's feet in
the shoes of Jack's Aulbrick. And what is your reaction
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if you're a coach and you leave an eyepad open
and one of your boys sees a private secret phone
number that Shador Sanders is going to use to be
alerted if he's drafted over the weekend, and one of
your boys calls him, acting as Mickey Loomis of the
New Orleans Saints, lies to him, hangs up the phone,
(01:07):
and then laughs about it. And because of your son's mistake,
your employer got fined a quarter million and you're out
one hundred thousand bucks. But here's the kicker. Your son's
twenty one. He doesn't live with you anymore. You're not
gonna pull his pants down in spacus.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Touchy, I can't what do you do? Yeah? And you
can't ground him, you know.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
I think that actually, since the incident, I feel like
most parties have handled it pretty either well and or appropriately.
I think, you know, first of all, I think Shador
has been pretty classy about it. I agree, you know,
and he could have he could have really, you know,
kind of amplified all of it had he chose to.
(01:48):
But you know, I think he even kind of said, hey,
give him credit for you know, that's pretty good effort
on his part for finding the number. So I think
you start with Shadur. Obviously it was a terrible lap
laps in judgment by the kid. But I think that
they say that your brain hasn't really developed until you're
twenty five. I think, Look, I don't know, I don't
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know it's been said, whether it's true or not. I
honestly do think that there is a I don't know
if it's your brain isn't developed or you just haven't
had the wisdom. But I think a lot of twenty
one year olds that they're trying to have fun, and
you know, they're in college, and there's a there's a
term called hijinks and the definition is boisterous or rambunctious, rambunctious,
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carryings on care free annex or horseplay. And I've always
kind of felt when the kids, you know, kids have
got to have a little bit of high jinks, you know,
do some things that they think is is is out
of line, just to feel like they're having a little
fun and living right and so kind of harmless stuff.
I say, it's just high, you know. And yet an
(03:02):
adult can can look and say, okay, this is where
it crosses the line. I think sometimes a twenty one
year old cannot. I wouldn't want everybody I know, including myself,
to be judged by all their worst actions or wor
worst thoughts at age twenty one.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
So yeah, how about how about your worst thoughts and
actions when you're fifty one years old about to be
fifty two years old?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah that too, right?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Can I can I get like can I get another
ten years before people, I mean, my brain's not fully
developed either, pal, So maybe i'll just maybe I'll just
use that excuse next time I do something to come.
But I mean, think about all the stupid crap you
did when you were a kid. But I mean, number one, uh,
it isn't, excuse me, interesting to me that you started
off with your take on the reaction by Chador and
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Dion and the Sanders family, And I totally agree with that.
For as critical of Chador as some people have been,
including me, and I'll i'll buy me kind of put
you in that same category, I think you're okay with that.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I thought he handled it great, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I mean, look, obviously there's a lot of things that
he's done that I'm not a fan of, but in
this case, I thought he actually gained some fans, to
be honest with you, with the way that he handled
this entire thing.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
So kudos to him for the way he got through this.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I mean, second of all, I'm also certain that this
isn't the first time that an assistant coach or a
personnel director, employee, whatever assistant coach has had their laptop,
an iPad or a desktop open with sensitive information on the.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Screen, and the guy or gal had to get.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Up to use the can and a kid was in
the house with a chance to rip off some information.
So I'm certain it's happened. Before I know, he's getting
fined one hundred thousand dollars. They kind of had to
do something to the over Up family. Obviously, they have
no jurisdiction over Jack's. All they can do is find
they find the coach for this thing. But people are
that hiking though A team got find a quarter million right, which,
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again for Arthur blank Is is not insignificant, but it's
not a gigantic chunk and change either for a guy
that's worth a gajillion dollars. I just think again, the
conversation really almost comes down to from a parent perspective, like,
how would you handle this? Because the Falcons can't do
anything to Jacks Olbrick, The NFL can't do anything to
Jacks Olbrick, the Sander family can't do anything to Jacks
(05:14):
Olbrick besides slam the guy on social media and ridicule them. Really,
in the end, this is a father son relationship question here.
Let's get let's let's get your thoughts on that. After
Mike Florio, We're gonna get his take on it. Right
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you pell?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
It is great to hear your voice Humillin's in for
Dick Fane by the way this week, But yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
He's not about now yet. We are.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
We were talking before you came on the air about
the Jacks Olbrick jeff Olbricks situation.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
And how is a father you would handle your son
if you were Jeff I mean, the NFL can't step
in and punish the kid. The the the team can't
punish the kid.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
The dad's been fine, the team has been fine. But
you've got kids, obviously, what would have been your reaction
if you were jeff Olbrick and your son did what
he what he did to should door Sanders.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I'd like to think that it never happens. I'd like
to think that kids properly understand that you should never
mess with moms or dad's work. That there is no
wrestling match between the devil on the left shoulder and
the angel on the right shoulder. The devil never makes
an appearance. Certain things are off limits. Messing with dad's
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work is off limits. You don't do it. You don't
go there, you don't play around, you don't create an issue,
you don't put dad in a tough spot. That's just
a no brainer. So that environment did not exist because
Jack's Albricks felt perfectly comfortable getting Now, the statement from
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the Fast is quite possibly was the most innocuous explanation
they could come up with for what happened. Let's assume
that that's what occurs. Jack's Olbrick sees open eyepad with
information on it, including should ur Sander's phone number, and
decides to write it down and make a prank call.
That's just something that I'd like to think my child
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would never do. I know I would have never done
that for fear of being ejected from the house permanently,
especially if I was eighteen or older. So I'm just
stunned that it even happened. I don't think there's anything
to do after the fact. The problem is it happened,
and it shouldn't happen.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Yeah, and that's a very sensible reaction. You and I
are about the same age. You know, you're pushing sixty.
I'm a little older, but you know, for a twenty
one year old. And look, in no way am I
absolving or somehow trying to minimize what he did. I
just think a lot of times kids that you know,
they don't see Hey, it's just a fun little prank.
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They don't see the cruelty and that they're stepping over
the line. I guess the only thing you can do
it he's approaching the age you can't do much. I
mean maybe, if you had a car, you take away
the car. If you had some trip to Mexico with
his buddies, you say, nope, you're not going to the trip.
There's got to be consequence to your actions. But it's
a little tougher Jeff. I mean, I'm sure Jeff would
have thought a week ago, my son would It would
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never do that either.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
First of all, I never thought of this before. But
I'm not really pushing sixty. Sixty is pushing me. So
I think we need to change that.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Say okay, yeah, well it's gonna win to say.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
If you're wondering the NFL is notoriously reactive, it is
rarely proactive. I've been banging the drum ever since the
US Supreme Court opened the floodgates for state by state
legalized sports betting that the NFL needs to be far
more concerned about a big scandal because if it's not,
it's going to happen. And this is a quick diversion
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the fact that a twenty one year old was able
to get any information from his dad's work I've had
who works for an NFL team. It raises the question
of whether or not inside information is being pilfered by
kids for assistance in getting an edge with their DraftKings
or fandue laps on their phone. Because we all know
kids that age are doing it. It's been normalized over
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the last seven years. They've grown up in an era
where they see the ads all the time. I'm terrified
by the possibility of the NFL having its legitimacy undermined
by something like that that could be going on. But
as it relates to this issue, and the NFL is
trying to push the idea, well, hey, we send out
confidential memoranda to the teams with the names and the numbers,
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and it's up to them to decide how to distribute it,
and if they fail to secure it, it's on them.
Here's the problem in this specific case. There were two
communications last Wednesday, and I have both of them. I'm
going to write about it tonight. I've mentioned it before,
but now it's relevant and it's time to really drill
down on this. There was one memo that had all
the numbers and it said confidential at the top. It
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was sent to a limited group of people. But then
last Wednesday, after they sent out the original memo, they
sent an email to everyone who gets the daily transaction report.
That's all assistant coaches. That's Jeff Albrick. He would have
got it straight from the league pointing out that Shadeur
Sanders has a new phone number. So Jeff Albrick got
that email. Nobody with the Falcons gave it to him.
(11:14):
He didn't ask for it from anyone. He got that email.
It went to his email inbox and it never should
have gone there. So I think one thing the NFL
has to do in response to is look in the
mirror and come up with ways to secure this information.
How many people really need to have it? Three at most,
owner GM and head coach has you want, her team
gets it, And I think going forward it won't be
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an issue unless the prank calls are coming from people
who already have that kid's number. And that's what I
think has been lost in this. Not every one of
these prank calls originates with an NFL official or a
coach or someone who's gotten this information in an inappropriate way.
It's possible somebody's friends are messing with it.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Well, Mike Florio's with us, and Mike consists. Incredible how
the Sanders family and Colorado have just dominated again the draft, right?
I mean, the biggest story is should do or falling?
And the next biggest story might be what we just
spent five minutes talking about here on the air is
Shoulder getting punked by jeff ulbricks Son. So everybody's got
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an opinion on this. Every talk show in America, ESPN, FOX,
PFT Live, NBCCBS, everybody is talking about this. Some people
throwing around racism, others throwing around ignorant smell, Kuiper losing
his mind. What did you make of just the entire
weekend regarding his fall?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Well, I think in hindsight, and this is the problem.
If people in the media are going to allow anonymous
sources to express opinions, not facts, there needs to be
some meet on the bone. It can't be like the
thing we saw last week from NFL dot com, where
it's broad He's not that good. I've never been around
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someone so entitled. You've got to have specifics, and the
specifics weren't there. Brash and arrogant is not as specific,
and by the way, I'd like to think that most
successful quarterbacks have some element of brashness or arrogance to
them because they're expected to go out there and lead
a team and an inherently physical and violent sport. I
think some of the stuff has come up afterward really
paints the picture. And the key to me is the
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interactions with coaches at the white board. And it sounds
as if and there was a report about what happened
with the giants, and I think there's other specifics along
these lines. He didn't take the process seriously, and his
dad didn't take the process seriously. But his dad was
good enough to not take the process seriously. Shador is
not talented enough to take the process not seriously, and
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he plays a position where I don't care who you are,
you better take the process seriously because that is the
key part of your job as a quarterback. It's more
than just go out there and play football. You have
to prepare in a certain way that inspires your teammates
to do the same thing. You have to know everyone's assignment.
You can't just show up and play. Although Brett fav
tried to do it. He was able to do it fairly. Well,
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you're not going to get drafted the side you can
be if the message in this day and age you're
sending in those meetings is I really don't care about this.
And I think some of the teams got the message
that Shadour Sanders was way too nonchalant and not serious
enough because that's how his dad was in nineteen eighty nine,
and his dad was a once in a lifetime talent.
He could afford to be that way.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Yeah, I completely agree with that, and I think we
can kind of speculate how Scheduur will regret this someday.
But you know, he'll just say I wish I would
have been more prepared. What about Dion, because you mentioned
the part about okay, he'd maybe he didn't do his
job in terms of impressing upon his son. Hey, this
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is how vital these interviews are going to be. You
gotta be ready to hit this. But but we also
had the specter of Shadur saying, excuse me, Dion saying
a number of times during Super Well Week, I will
not let my son go to these these teams. He
didn't specifically say, but those were all in all likely
of the teams that need a quarterback. I mean, it wasn't.
(15:05):
It wasn't Andy Reid who was sitting around that he
was talking about. So what do you think that Dion
has learned? And what will Dion regret?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
In your mind, Well, the question becomes whether or not
he is able to acknowledge his mistake. It seems to
me and I love Deon Sanders and I wish he
would come to the NFL and be a head coach
because it would be a great story. I mean, look
at what Shadeur's experience did. This weekend. We had one
of our biggest weekends ever. My story from Friday night
about whether or not Shaudor should consider trying to go
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back to college for a year single highest trafficked and
viewed story in twenty three and a half years of PFT. Wow. Well,
I think the thing that really hurt Deon and I
gave him the benefit of that. I assumed he was
playing five D chess here when he was almost out
super Bowl week, I asked in point black, under what
circumstances would you go to the NFL to be a
head coach? And he said, I would only do it
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if I could coach my son. The practical impact that
any coach that signs off on Shaudeur Sanders is potentially
signing his pink slip next year or the year after,
because that's the only job that Dion's going to want
to take him when he gets bored with Colorado and
he wants to go be with his son again, that's
the job he's going to target. And I think that
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that could have at some level, even if it was
a subconscious thing, it gets coaches to say, let's not
even start down this path. My job is hard enough
to keep without knowing that the dad of one of
my players wants my job, and that may have just
set the stage for what was to come. You couple
that with the perception slash reality that Shador wasn't taking
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the situation seriously, and it all makes sense in hindsight
as we try to piece it all together after the fact,
it all makes sense.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Mike, before you go, Mike Florio with US Pro Footballtalk
dot Com, NFL and NBC brought to you by simply
Seattle dot Com. I know Roger Goodell came out and
said they want to shorten the draft up and he's
got ideas. How do they do that without taking time
away between draft picks.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Well, you have to take the time away. You have
to force the teams to make crafter decisions, especially on
Thursday night a lot. I don't have a problem with
Thursday Night. They do have a backlog of picks, though,
so they like to draw it out, they like to
have the TV show. I just think by Saturday, it
just gets to the point where I've had enough. I
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don't know how long you guys last during the draft.
I can't take and after Shadir Sanders was drafted, and
after we did all the aftermath of that in the
press conference and writing about the the very unenthused reaction
by guys like Brown's GM Andrew Berry. Once all that settled,
it's like, I'm done with this draft. I submit to
you that we should not call the last player picked
mister irrelevant. We should call him doctor Kogorkian.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Wow, Mike, great stuff, awesome job. Love having you on.
We'll talk in a week. You're the best.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
You got to see, Okay, floor Orio with us on
the radio show.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
We've got to break. We got a lot more to
get to. Man, there's a lot more on the draft
bone that we have not even approached yet. With Hugh
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Speaker 8 (18:27):
Mike is a defensive guys, you feel about down with
only two guys when you just side of.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
The ball out of this, I think, honestly, I realize
that at the end, well we're going to you know,
free agency process and gave the defensive guys some grief,
but now they're really excited, got some really good players
to join the team.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
So that's the voice of Curtis Crabtree and Mike McDonald.
There By the way, Hugh Mellen and for Dick fine today.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Listen to you often because you're not interesting.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
And the point there was made about the two defenders
that were drafted Riley Mills, is is he more of
a tackle or an And by the way, the kid
from that notre Dame Hugh, if.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
You watched him a lot of yeah, I watched a lot.
He played more of a three technique. Most of the
vast majority I can get it in a second, but
the vast majority of his reps were three tech manning
the B gap, that's the outside shade of the guard.
I really liked him there. I could see how teams
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would look and say, well, he's kind of more of
a four or five technique and that's that's the head
up on the tackle or outside shade of the offensive tackle.
Just widen him out a little bit. Maybe he just
doesn't have the strength to play inside, But.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
He's he's a twitchy guy, and I think he looks powerful.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
As I said, I think he's a poor man's Mason Graham,
if you if you just can kind of think of
of that kind of you know, not a great body composition,
but but tall enough and big enough just in a
in a I don't kind of a burly package, but uh,
you know, quick and strong and certainly looks like he's
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worthy of a fifth pick or much better. Yeah, you know,
he had the the ACL so we'll see. You know,
they obviously feel comfortable with him coming off the injury.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Well, look, I know that there's always been players like
you and I covered Husky football, covered Seahawk football, and
you've kind of maybe had a habit of kind of
elbowing me and saying, hey man, you know, I remember
you talked about Trey Adams and Caleb McGary. Remember back
in the day when all the attention was on Trey Adams,
And to be fair to Trey, he he had a
bad back and it kind.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Of derailed his career and all that.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
But I remember you telling me people were talking about
Trey Adams when Cayleb McGary really is the guy they
should be focused on.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
And then I remember Trey.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Fatanu, right, you kind of pointed out him before anybody
else even got to Fatana when he became a first
round draft pick in the NFL. So as you as
you look at these guys that were taken, there's eleven dudes,
and obviously we have a lot to see many camp,
full camp, fall camp, preseason week, blah blah blah. If
you just throw out I don't know, maybe like the
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top couple of guys, you know, get rid of Evian Ware,
get rid OF's able when it comes to the other
nine players, Arroyo Milrow Mills, Tory Horton, who.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Played with your son Robbie Oots cabll do.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I believe it's like you say his name, the kid
from Kansas to tackle, Damian Martinez, Mason Richmond. I'm very
intrigued by this guy started like forty three games at
left tackle for Kirk Farrens at Iowa, and then Ricky
White put up gigantic numbers at UNLV and their offense.
So is there a guy on Day two or Day
three in this draft class que that you think everybody
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should be talking about that we're not talking about.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Well, I would just say that to get a known
starter in round five I think is pretty cool. I mean,
Robbie Oots is going to start now, he's not gonna
play one hundred percent, and it's going to only be
in their their twenty one personnel or or well it
could be twenty two, could be goal one type. But
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the fact that they've got a full back, a two
hundred and seventy five pounds full back who just has
he has legs like a like a Santa Rosa oak
tree man, and you know he's going to start, like
there's no doubt he's going to make the team and start.
I think that's pretty cool. I think there's a need
outside for a wide receiver. I'm not sold that mSv
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is your answer. I'm not even positive make the team
right right. But Tory Horton, I think because of that,
because I think there's a pretty significant need as an
outside receiver. I've watched a lot of Tory Horton in
his life, and six three he's got a polish.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
The comparison to me is Romeo Dobbs at Green Bay.
He was a fifth rounder that has been starting for
the Packers. And the reason I compare them is because
if you look at the Colorado State head coach Jay Norvel,
he had been at Nevada. The offensive cord was Matt Mummy,
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the offensive of the son rather of hel Mummy, the
famed you know tandem of Mike Leach and how Mummy
is kind of like, uh, you know the Beatles with
Lennon and Cartney, you know, and so so they had
that system, and Romeo Dobbs had played in Nevada, and
then again the Colorado State staff went Tory Horton had
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been in Nevada. So when Dobbs had been been the
best receiver for Nevada at that time, they say, okay,
well Horton is going to be his replacement and and
the clear number one of the teams in both those respects.
And again, Dobbs goes fifth round to the Packers, Tory
Horton fifth round to the Seahawks from the same system.
So the natural question is, how do they compare? Is
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Horton as good as Dobbs? Well, I think in some
ways yes, I think that he's more polished. I think
he's got more football IQ. He's got more the hands.
I mean, he's got a late hands quality to him.
He ran a four to four one David at pushing
six to three, and the first thing my son said was,
I'm surprised it was that slow. He thought he had
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sub for four play speed, right, But he said, you
know that, maybe Dobbs is just a teeny bit more explosive,
a little bit more burst, but Horton has more polished.
So so I throw those guys in kind of together.
And again, Dobbs was a starter, right, And I think
that had everybody known what Dobbs would be, he'd have
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been more like a third rounder.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Now he hasn't been a real significant. I don't.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
I'm not sure he's ever had over seven or the
yard and and the Packers have had a wide receiver need.
But just the fact that they've got a multiple year
starter out of the fifth year, you know, I think
that it's going to be very interesting for Horton because
he could he could make an impact that kind of
belies the fifth round status.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Well, he's gonna have to, I mean for now, he's
gonna have to play special teams. I mean, look, if
he ends up being the number three guy and MVS
doesn't make the team, which I mean, you know my take.
The day they've signed him, I was like, whatever, I mean,
I went back and looked at all the free agent
wide receivers that John Schneider assigned not named Doug Balder
or Jermaine Curse, has undrafted free agents out of college,
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and it's just a big ball of nothing, right, I mean,
Philip Dorsett, you know, for example, guys like that. So
I'm glad they drafted the kid. But he's gonna have
to play special teams unless he is again that number
three guy. So can he do that? Can he play
special teams? Did he play special teams?
Speaker 5 (25:34):
He can be a punt returner. I don't, I don't.
I don't perceive of him as being a gunner on
the punt team, which is another position oftentimes wide receivers
because they used to releases. He doesn't strike me as
that type of guy. You know, Ricky White, you mentioned
him round seven. He has more special teams contributions. In fact,
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he he was I think in some cases a national
special teams player. There he blocked four punts. We're talking
about the seventh rounder from UNLV. But I watched his
wide receiver tape, and there's just as opposed to Horton,
who has a really good ability to finish. Uh, you know,
think of it like this, and and and a basketball team.
(26:17):
You can have this slasher who just has this beautiful
first step in what have you. But at the end,
you know, he's either got to dunk the basketball or
find a way to kiss it off the glass. If
he doesn't get two points, it doesn't matter how how
beautiful it looks going to the hoop. Well, the same
thing of a receiver. You don't catch the damn ball.
It doesn't match, you know. And so I think that
the hands piece and the ball tracking piece by Ricky White,
(26:42):
the seventh rounder from UNLV, is substantially inferior to the
tracking and ball skills of Tory Horton. They're just no comparison.
I mean, I'm watching Ricky White tape over and over again,
and how did you not catch that? Like, like just
one contested catch?
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Can you please make?
Speaker 5 (26:57):
And then there's some stuff bouncing off his poinking off
his face mask, and I'm like, whoa this is. This
is some of the roughest hands I've seen in a while.
So so now the more tape I watched, I did
see him pluck some balls, and so I kind of
I got a little bit more encouraged by his hands
the more tape I watched. But I'm not expecting a
lot of Ricky White as a wide receiver. I think
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Tory Horton is going to thrust himself into the middle.
That's when you consider you know, sick. You know, he's
an outside type receiver. He played inside, he played a
slot someone in Colorado State, and he ran crossing routes
and what have you. But I think I think his
best stuff is on the outside, which is where they
need him because they got JSN inside. Certainly, Cooper cup. JSN,
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I think is a little bit more flexible. In an
ideal world, if you had a really well stocked wide
receiver group, you'd have JSN as the Z receiver.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (27:49):
That's the flank or that and that and that. By
the way, it always strikes me as interesting that that
sports fans who know what the the two guard is
in basketball, and they know what the difference between the
three and the four forward, you know that. Why would
you not know the difference between the X, Y and
Z that These are terms that have been around since
before Vince Lombardi. And the Z receiver is the flanker
receiver generally off the ball, you have the capacity to
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motion him down. Like to me, that's exactly who JSN is.
And of course the whys the tight end the X receiver,
those attributes are generally you're on the line of scrimmage.
You can't go in motion, so you have to be
you have to be good off the line at press.
That may be an area where Horton, you know, needs
to improve a little bit, But then it's nice to
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have some size out there and the ability to speed
to threaten a corner. So a corner goes, oh crap,
I don't have a safety over the top, So I
better really turn my hips and and and put it
in sixth gear to keep up with this cat.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
And then I got to worry.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
You know, most corners are about six foot six one,
and so so you get a receiver who has the length,
the long arms and the height. And then as a quarterback,
when he's running down that left sideline, it just you
just feel like, Okay, he's got enough height I can
I can put the ball over the soulder. And his
length and his speed he'll go get the ball, and
then and then the corner. And final thought the corner
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because he's scared about the speed. Then when you do
the stop routes, the comebacks and what have you, then
you're more likely to get open. So I think those
are some things we can expect to see from Horton.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Well, they're gonna have to, you know, that position group's
gonna change a lot. I mean, you got cup is
thirty two in June and Marquez Valdez Scandling is thirty
one in October. So they're gonna need to find an
eventual future at that position. Man, all right, we'll gotta
break here Mailling's in for Dick, a little fun with
audio slash?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Hey did you hear that?
Speaker 3 (29:42):
And then Petros Baby coming up at four right here
on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
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Jimmy g pawn Star, Jimmy mister garoppolo.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
Now let's have some fun with audio.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
All right back on a beautiful Wednesday afternoon, right here
on ninety three three kJ R FM.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
What do you say?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
We give you what you came for? Baby, A little
fun with audio slash. Hey did you hear that? Hugh
Milling in for Dick Fane on this beautiful Wednesday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Hey, Hugh, did you happen to hear that?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
What's that? Dick?
Speaker 3 (30:16):
We talked about it earlier today at a press conference
this morning, Falcons defensive coordinator Jeff Ulbrick addressing the situation
with his son Jack's prink calling Shadure Sanders during the
draft last weekend.
Speaker 10 (30:29):
Obviously not happy and shocked. So I made the Falcons
aware of the situation, and then our next course of
action was to try to get a hold of the
Sanders family so we could apologize in person, which we
were able to do, and the great the Sanders family,
should Er and Coach Sanders were amazingly gracious, more gracious
(30:53):
than they needed to be in a moment like this.
You know, obviously a tremendous amount of regret for what
my son did and for what I allowed being neglectful
in that way.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
We actually have some audio here that's leaked of Jeff
Ulbrick addressing his son, Jacksaulbrick, after he realized his son
was the one that made the prank call You're ready,
here we go three two one, stupid idiot.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I mean, my god, right, I mean you.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Got to expect that he was just freaking irate with
his son. And again, I don't know if his son
lives with him. I don't know where he goes to school.
I got no idea. Is he is he Is he
a mama's boy? Is he a silver spoon guy? Is
he a blue collar guy? I have no idea. But
my god, anybody out there with a son or daughter
and your kid did something like that embarrassed you across
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the country.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Man, you would be livid. Here live you'd be yeah,
he'd be mortified. And I got two kids. My youngest
one is kind of the rule follower. I know he
would never do that, the oldest one. I would be like,
I don't think he'd do it, but I think you
think of it, and Clay or Kale.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Cale Kel would think of it.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
But he wouldn't do it.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Well, he said, he said, because I tried to paint
it out as as enticing as I could, like, there's
the number, you know, you know with dad's work.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
You know, you see the number. You tell me.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
He goes, well, I'd think about it, but but he
goes in the end, I wouldn't mess.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
With your work.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
I think what he said, which you know what is
really easy to say since he was the one he
did it. Of course, of course did you do but
he did say, but he'd say it might run to
his mind. I mean, I don't know. I just think
kids are when you're when you're younger.
Speaker 10 (32:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, well, let me ask you this. Let me ask
you this.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Did you have a prank call anybody when you were fourteen, fifteen, twelve,
fourteen years old?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, asked me.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
If I ever did that, by the way, ye oh god,
you were probably you probably had a master's degree.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I used to prank call this radio station, the one
that I'm working for right now during this time slot.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
By the way, it's fun kidding, but you know, if
there's no real you know, most prank calls, a good
prank call is there's really no it's harmless. I think
about this one is right, he was harmful, But you
know what, Hey, like I said, I think the league
had to do what they had to do.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
I think I like what Jeff Olbrig did.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Now we haven't heard from the kid, but most most importantly,
Sedur is kind of the center of this in terms
of his response has kind of diffused everything, and so
no question tip my hat to well, let me ask
you this.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Does anybody remember the Mike Price show back on seven
to ten radio back in the day and somebody calling
up using the word blow and goats in the same
sentence with Mike Price, Because if you do, that was me?
Speaker 1 (33:30):
That was me?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
All right, Hey, Hugh, did you happen to hear that?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
What's that? Di uh?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
By the way, I think there's a statue of limitations
on that. I hope there is. Former NFL linebacker Will
Compton is now hosting Barstools Busting with the Boys podcast. Well,
yesterday Compton and his podcast broke the news about George
Kittle's new contract with the Niners. Well, when the NFL
Twitter account shared the news by crediting Ian Rappaport, Compton
shared his frustration and anger.
Speaker 8 (33:58):
We both know the NFL's tweet about George Kittle's contract
details via rap sheet is book.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
I see the optics.
Speaker 8 (34:05):
I see on your Twitter you quote tweeted the bust
and tweet and said deal got done. And then the
next tweet you tweeted the details yourself no credit to
Busting with the boys. So then your colleagues at the
NFL post their own version of George Kittle in the details,
saying via rap sheet not on my watching and Rapaport.
You have twenty four hours to fix this, to give
(34:26):
credit where credits due with Busting with the boys, or
I'm coming for your little ass.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
In that a gap. Geez, twenty four hours, I get
it done.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
First, there was Jordan Schultz on a Starbucks at the
Combine going after Rapaport, and now it's Will Compton, an
actual ex player, going after Rapaport. Yeah, I mean it
kind of reminds me of Robins, right, not on watch,
not up in hell not up in.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Hell, I'm coming after you in the a gap.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
I don't know was he like, was that like being
playful and tongue in cheek or is that serious?
Speaker 4 (35:02):
It sounded serious to me.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
You tell me, man, you're sound like.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Almost like a rett. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
I think in this I think in this day and age,
you know who breaks the story? I mean, I get it.
People gotta they gotta dig for stories. But you know what,
then you break it, and then and then in Twitter. Okay,
so you get the story for twenty seconds. It you know,
thirty years ago, you break a story, it sits around
on the newspaper, on the coffee table for twenty four hours.
(35:29):
You got that story. That's right, right, right, and and
and twenty four hours before anybody else reports it. But
now it's twenty four seconds.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
So let me do this.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
We'll do one more before the break and then Petros,
the Mariners game is over. They have one nine to three.
The Mariners. Last year, Hugh scored nine runs or more
sixteen times. In twenty twenty four, they've already done it
five times in the first month of the season, so
they're one third of the way there with five more months.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
To go, so good for them.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
The offensive juggernaut continues to roll with a nine to
three win, and maybe even more importantly, they're now five
and two in spots starts from Hancock Luis F. Castillo,
that's the knockoff, by the way, not the original, and
then Logan Evans five and two in those starts. Unbelievable.
I was, yeah, hang on a ce, hang on a second.
(36:20):
You want to go to a break? You want to
keep going with this? What do you want to do here?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Break?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Okay, here, we'll well, we'll get to the Mariners at
four point thirty after their win today. Petros next on
ninety three three kJ R f M
Where we go.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Good mood today.
Speaker 3 (00:02):
Got some great weather up here on the shores of
Elliot by Mariners and Angels. Get to that coming up
later on this afternoon. Mike Florio will join us in
a matter of minutes here on the air, talks of
NFL with him Petros Petros at four for a little
fun with Petros, and then we'll talk to Larry Stone
coming up courtesy of the Ram tonight, Hugh at five o'clock.
(00:23):
But I want to put your parent hat on your
head for a second. I want you to put yourself
in the shoes of Falcon defensive coordinator Jeff Ulbrick, and
I want you to take the shoes of either Kale
Millan or Clay Millan and put your son's feet in
the shoes of Jack's Aulbrick. And what is your reaction
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if you're a coach and you leave an eyepad open
and one of your boys sees a private secret phone
number that Shador Sanders is going to use to be
alerted if he's drafted over the weekend, and one of
your boys calls him, acting as Mickey Loomis of the
New Orleans Saints, lies to him, hangs up the phone,
(01:07):
and then laughs about it. And because of your son's mistake,
your employer got fined a quarter million and you're out
one hundred thousand bucks. But here's the kicker. Your son's
twenty one. He doesn't live with you anymore. You're not
gonna pull his pants down in spacus.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Touchy, I can't what do you do? Yeah? And you
can't ground him, you know.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
I think that actually, since the incident, I feel like
most parties have handled it pretty either well and or appropriately.
I think, you know, first of all, I think Shador
has been pretty classy about it. I agree, you know,
and he could have he could have really, you know,
kind of amplified all of it had he chose to.
(01:48):
But you know, I think he even kind of said, hey,
give him credit for you know, that's pretty good effort
on his part for finding the number. So I think
you start with Shadur. Obviously it was a terrible lap
laps in judgment by the kid. But I think that
they say that your brain hasn't really developed until you're
twenty five. I think, Look, I don't know, I don't
(02:13):
know it's been said, whether it's true or not. I
honestly do think that there is a I don't know
if it's your brain isn't developed or you just haven't
had the wisdom. But I think a lot of twenty
one year olds that they're trying to have fun, and
you know, they're in college, and there's a there's a
term called hijinks and the definition is boisterous or rambunctious, rambunctious,
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carryings on care free annex or horseplay. And I've always
kind of felt when the kids, you know, kids have
got to have a little bit of high jinks, you know,
do some things that they think is is is out
of line, just to feel like they're having a little
fun and living right and so kind of harmless stuff.
I say, it's just high, you know. And yet an
(03:02):
adult can can look and say, okay, this is where
it crosses the line. I think sometimes a twenty one
year old cannot. I wouldn't want everybody I know, including myself,
to be judged by all their worst actions or wor
worst thoughts at age twenty one.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
So yeah, how about how about your worst thoughts and
actions when you're fifty one years old about to be
fifty two years old?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah that too, right?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Can I can I get like can I get another
ten years before people, I mean, my brain's not fully
developed either, pal, So maybe i'll just maybe I'll just
use that excuse next time I do something to come.
But I mean, think about all the stupid crap you
did when you were a kid. But I mean, number one, uh,
it isn't, excuse me, interesting to me that you started
off with your take on the reaction by Chador and
(03:46):
Dion and the Sanders family, And I totally agree with that.
For as critical of Chador as some people have been,
including me, and I'll i'll buy me kind of put
you in that same category, I think you're okay with that.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I thought he handled it great, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I mean, look, obviously there's a lot of things that
he's done that I'm not a fan of, but in
this case, I thought he actually gained some fans, to
be honest with you, with the way that he handled
this entire thing.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
So kudos to him for the way he got through this.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I mean, second of all, I'm also certain that this
isn't the first time that an assistant coach or a
personnel director, employee, whatever assistant coach has had their laptop,
an iPad or a desktop open with sensitive information on the.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Screen, and the guy or gal had to get.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Up to use the can and a kid was in
the house with a chance to rip off some information.
So I'm certain it's happened. Before I know, he's getting
fined one hundred thousand dollars. They kind of had to
do something to the over Up family. Obviously, they have
no jurisdiction over Jack's. All they can do is find
they find the coach for this thing. But people are
that hiking though A team got find a quarter million right, which,
(04:53):
again for Arthur blank Is is not insignificant, but it's
not a gigantic chunk and change either for a guy
that's worth a gajillion dollars. I just think again, the
conversation really almost comes down to from a parent perspective, like,
how would you handle this? Because the Falcons can't do
anything to Jacks Olbrick, The NFL can't do anything to
Jacks Olbrick, the Sander family can't do anything to Jacks
(05:14):
Olbrick besides slam the guy on social media and ridicule them. Really,
in the end, this is a father son relationship question here.
Let's get let's let's get your thoughts on that. After
Mike Florio, We're gonna get his take on it. Right
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you pell?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
It is great to hear your voice Humillin's in for
Dick Fane by the way this week, But yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
He's not about now yet. We are.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
We were talking before you came on the air about
the Jacks Olbrick jeff Olbricks situation.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
And how is a father you would handle your son
if you were Jeff I mean, the NFL can't step
in and punish the kid. The the the team can't
punish the kid.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
The dad's been fine, the team has been fine. But
you've got kids, obviously, what would have been your reaction
if you were jeff Olbrick and your son did what
he what he did to should door Sanders.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I'd like to think that it never happens. I'd like
to think that kids properly understand that you should never
mess with moms or dad's work. That there is no
wrestling match between the devil on the left shoulder and
the angel on the right shoulder. The devil never makes
an appearance. Certain things are off limits. Messing with dad's
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work is off limits. You don't do it. You don't
go there, you don't play around, you don't create an issue,
you don't put dad in a tough spot. That's just
a no brainer. So that environment did not exist because
Jack's Albricks felt perfectly comfortable getting Now, the statement from
(07:44):
the Fast is quite possibly was the most innocuous explanation
they could come up with for what happened. Let's assume
that that's what occurs. Jack's Olbrick sees open eyepad with
information on it, including should ur Sander's phone number, and
decides to write it down and make a prank call.
That's just something that I'd like to think my child
(08:06):
would never do. I know I would have never done
that for fear of being ejected from the house permanently,
especially if I was eighteen or older. So I'm just
stunned that it even happened. I don't think there's anything
to do after the fact. The problem is it happened,
and it shouldn't happen.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Yeah, and that's a very sensible reaction. You and I
are about the same age. You know, you're pushing sixty.
I'm a little older, but you know, for a twenty
one year old. And look, in no way am I
absolving or somehow trying to minimize what he did. I
just think a lot of times kids that you know,
they don't see Hey, it's just a fun little prank.
(08:48):
They don't see the cruelty and that they're stepping over
the line. I guess the only thing you can do
it he's approaching the age you can't do much. I
mean maybe, if you had a car, you take away
the car. If you had some trip to Mexico with
his buddies, you say, nope, you're not going to the trip.
There's got to be consequence to your actions. But it's
a little tougher Jeff. I mean, I'm sure Jeff would
have thought a week ago, my son would It would
(09:11):
never do that either.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
First of all, I never thought of this before. But
I'm not really pushing sixty. Sixty is pushing me. So
I think we need to change that.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Say okay, yeah, well it's gonna win to say.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
If you're wondering the NFL is notoriously reactive, it is
rarely proactive. I've been banging the drum ever since the
US Supreme Court opened the floodgates for state by state
legalized sports betting that the NFL needs to be far
more concerned about a big scandal because if it's not,
it's going to happen. And this is a quick diversion
(09:47):
the fact that a twenty one year old was able
to get any information from his dad's work I've had
who works for an NFL team. It raises the question
of whether or not inside information is being pilfered by
kids for assistance in getting an edge with their DraftKings
or fandue laps on their phone. Because we all know
kids that age are doing it. It's been normalized over
(10:09):
the last seven years. They've grown up in an era
where they see the ads all the time. I'm terrified
by the possibility of the NFL having its legitimacy undermined
by something like that that could be going on. But
as it relates to this issue, and the NFL is
trying to push the idea, well, hey, we send out
confidential memoranda to the teams with the names and the numbers,
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and it's up to them to decide how to distribute it,
and if they fail to secure it, it's on them.
Here's the problem in this specific case. There were two
communications last Wednesday, and I have both of them. I'm
going to write about it tonight. I've mentioned it before,
but now it's relevant and it's time to really drill
down on this. There was one memo that had all
the numbers and it said confidential at the top. It
(10:53):
was sent to a limited group of people. But then
last Wednesday, after they sent out the original memo, they
sent an email to everyone who gets the daily transaction report.
That's all assistant coaches. That's Jeff Albrick. He would have
got it straight from the league pointing out that Shadeur
Sanders has a new phone number. So Jeff Albrick got
that email. Nobody with the Falcons gave it to him.
(11:14):
He didn't ask for it from anyone. He got that email.
It went to his email inbox and it never should
have gone there. So I think one thing the NFL
has to do in response to is look in the
mirror and come up with ways to secure this information.
How many people really need to have it? Three at most,
owner GM and head coach has you want, her team
gets it, And I think going forward it won't be
(11:35):
an issue unless the prank calls are coming from people
who already have that kid's number. And that's what I
think has been lost in this. Not every one of
these prank calls originates with an NFL official or a
coach or someone who's gotten this information in an inappropriate way.
It's possible somebody's friends are messing with it.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Well, Mike Florio's with us, and Mike consists. Incredible how
the Sanders family and Colorado have just dominated again the draft, right?
I mean, the biggest story is should do or falling?
And the next biggest story might be what we just
spent five minutes talking about here on the air is
Shoulder getting punked by jeff ulbricks Son. So everybody's got
(12:13):
an opinion on this. Every talk show in America, ESPN, FOX,
PFT Live, NBCCBS, everybody is talking about this. Some people
throwing around racism, others throwing around ignorant smell, Kuiper losing
his mind. What did you make of just the entire
weekend regarding his fall?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Well, I think in hindsight, and this is the problem.
If people in the media are going to allow anonymous
sources to express opinions, not facts, there needs to be
some meet on the bone. It can't be like the
thing we saw last week from NFL dot com, where
it's broad He's not that good. I've never been around
(12:54):
someone so entitled. You've got to have specifics, and the
specifics weren't there. Brash and arrogant is not as specific,
and by the way, I'd like to think that most
successful quarterbacks have some element of brashness or arrogance to
them because they're expected to go out there and lead
a team and an inherently physical and violent sport. I
think some of the stuff has come up afterward really
paints the picture. And the key to me is the
(13:16):
interactions with coaches at the white board. And it sounds
as if and there was a report about what happened
with the giants, and I think there's other specifics along
these lines. He didn't take the process seriously, and his
dad didn't take the process seriously. But his dad was
good enough to not take the process seriously. Shador is
not talented enough to take the process not seriously, and
(13:40):
he plays a position where I don't care who you are,
you better take the process seriously because that is the
key part of your job as a quarterback. It's more
than just go out there and play football. You have
to prepare in a certain way that inspires your teammates
to do the same thing. You have to know everyone's assignment.
You can't just show up and play. Although Brett fav
tried to do it. He was able to do it fairly. Well,
(14:01):
you're not going to get drafted the side you can
be if the message in this day and age you're
sending in those meetings is I really don't care about this.
And I think some of the teams got the message
that Shadour Sanders was way too nonchalant and not serious
enough because that's how his dad was in nineteen eighty nine,
and his dad was a once in a lifetime talent.
He could afford to be that way.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Yeah, I completely agree with that, and I think we
can kind of speculate how Scheduur will regret this someday.
But you know, he'll just say I wish I would
have been more prepared. What about Dion, because you mentioned
the part about okay, he'd maybe he didn't do his
job in terms of impressing upon his son. Hey, this
(14:43):
is how vital these interviews are going to be. You
gotta be ready to hit this. But but we also
had the specter of Shadur saying, excuse me, Dion saying
a number of times during Super Well Week, I will
not let my son go to these these teams. He
didn't specifically say, but those were all in all likely
of the teams that need a quarterback. I mean, it wasn't.
(15:05):
It wasn't Andy Reid who was sitting around that he
was talking about. So what do you think that Dion
has learned? And what will Dion regret?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
In your mind, Well, the question becomes whether or not
he is able to acknowledge his mistake. It seems to
me and I love Deon Sanders and I wish he
would come to the NFL and be a head coach
because it would be a great story. I mean, look
at what Shadeur's experience did. This weekend. We had one
of our biggest weekends ever. My story from Friday night
about whether or not Shaudor should consider trying to go
(15:34):
back to college for a year single highest trafficked and
viewed story in twenty three and a half years of PFT. Wow. Well,
I think the thing that really hurt Deon and I
gave him the benefit of that. I assumed he was
playing five D chess here when he was almost out
super Bowl week, I asked in point black, under what
circumstances would you go to the NFL to be a
head coach? And he said, I would only do it
(15:56):
if I could coach my son. The practical impact that
any coach that signs off on Shaudeur Sanders is potentially
signing his pink slip next year or the year after,
because that's the only job that Dion's going to want
to take him when he gets bored with Colorado and
he wants to go be with his son again, that's
the job he's going to target. And I think that
(16:17):
that could have at some level, even if it was
a subconscious thing, it gets coaches to say, let's not
even start down this path. My job is hard enough
to keep without knowing that the dad of one of
my players wants my job, and that may have just
set the stage for what was to come. You couple
that with the perception slash reality that Shador wasn't taking
(16:41):
the situation seriously, and it all makes sense in hindsight
as we try to piece it all together after the fact,
it all makes sense.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Mike, before you go, Mike Florio with US Pro Footballtalk
dot Com, NFL and NBC brought to you by simply
Seattle dot Com. I know Roger Goodell came out and
said they want to shorten the draft up and he's
got ideas. How do they do that without taking time
away between draft picks.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Well, you have to take the time away. You have
to force the teams to make crafter decisions, especially on
Thursday night a lot. I don't have a problem with
Thursday Night. They do have a backlog of picks, though,
so they like to draw it out, they like to
have the TV show. I just think by Saturday, it
just gets to the point where I've had enough. I
(17:27):
don't know how long you guys last during the draft.
I can't take and after Shadir Sanders was drafted, and
after we did all the aftermath of that in the
press conference and writing about the the very unenthused reaction
by guys like Brown's GM Andrew Berry. Once all that settled,
it's like, I'm done with this draft. I submit to
you that we should not call the last player picked
mister irrelevant. We should call him doctor Kogorkian.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Wow, Mike, great stuff, awesome job. Love having you on.
We'll talk in a week. You're the best.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
You got to see, Okay, floor Orio with us on
the radio show.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
We've got to break. We got a lot more to
get to. Man, there's a lot more on the draft
bone that we have not even approached yet. With Hugh
next on ninety three to three kJ R f.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
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Speaker 8 (18:27):
Mike is a defensive guys, you feel about down with
only two guys when you just side of.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
The ball out of this, I think, honestly, I realize
that at the end, well we're going to you know,
free agency process and gave the defensive guys some grief,
but now they're really excited, got some really good players
to join the team.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
So that's the voice of Curtis Crabtree and Mike McDonald.
There By the way, Hugh Mellen and for Dick fine today.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Listen to you often because you're not interesting.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
And the point there was made about the two defenders
that were drafted Riley Mills, is is he more of
a tackle or an And by the way, the kid
from that notre Dame Hugh, if.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
You watched him a lot of yeah, I watched a lot.
He played more of a three technique. Most of the
vast majority I can get it in a second, but
the vast majority of his reps were three tech manning
the B gap, that's the outside shade of the guard.
I really liked him there. I could see how teams
(19:23):
would look and say, well, he's kind of more of
a four or five technique and that's that's the head
up on the tackle or outside shade of the offensive tackle.
Just widen him out a little bit. Maybe he just
doesn't have the strength to play inside, But.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
He's he's a twitchy guy, and I think he looks powerful.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
As I said, I think he's a poor man's Mason Graham,
if you if you just can kind of think of
of that kind of you know, not a great body composition,
but but tall enough and big enough just in a
in a I don't kind of a burly package, but uh,
you know, quick and strong and certainly looks like he's
(20:06):
worthy of a fifth pick or much better. Yeah, you know,
he had the the ACL so we'll see. You know,
they obviously feel comfortable with him coming off the injury.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Well, look, I know that there's always been players like
you and I covered Husky football, covered Seahawk football, and
you've kind of maybe had a habit of kind of
elbowing me and saying, hey man, you know, I remember
you talked about Trey Adams and Caleb McGary. Remember back
in the day when all the attention was on Trey Adams,
And to be fair to Trey, he he had a
bad back and it kind.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Of derailed his career and all that.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
But I remember you telling me people were talking about
Trey Adams when Cayleb McGary really is the guy they
should be focused on.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
And then I remember Trey.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Fatanu, right, you kind of pointed out him before anybody
else even got to Fatana when he became a first
round draft pick in the NFL. So as you as
you look at these guys that were taken, there's eleven dudes,
and obviously we have a lot to see many camp,
full camp, fall camp, preseason week, blah blah blah. If
you just throw out I don't know, maybe like the
(21:04):
top couple of guys, you know, get rid of Evian Ware,
get rid OF's able when it comes to the other
nine players, Arroyo Milrow Mills, Tory Horton, who.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Played with your son Robbie Oots cabll do.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I believe it's like you say his name, the kid
from Kansas to tackle, Damian Martinez, Mason Richmond. I'm very
intrigued by this guy started like forty three games at
left tackle for Kirk Farrens at Iowa, and then Ricky
White put up gigantic numbers at UNLV and their offense.
So is there a guy on Day two or Day
three in this draft class que that you think everybody
(21:37):
should be talking about that we're not talking about.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Well, I would just say that to get a known
starter in round five I think is pretty cool. I mean,
Robbie Oots is going to start now, he's not gonna
play one hundred percent, and it's going to only be
in their their twenty one personnel or or well it
could be twenty two, could be goal one type. But
(22:00):
the fact that they've got a full back, a two
hundred and seventy five pounds full back who just has
he has legs like a like a Santa Rosa oak
tree man, and you know he's going to start, like
there's no doubt he's going to make the team and start.
I think that's pretty cool. I think there's a need
outside for a wide receiver. I'm not sold that mSv
(22:22):
is your answer. I'm not even positive make the team
right right. But Tory Horton, I think because of that,
because I think there's a pretty significant need as an
outside receiver. I've watched a lot of Tory Horton in
his life, and six three he's got a polish.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
The comparison to me is Romeo Dobbs at Green Bay.
He was a fifth rounder that has been starting for
the Packers. And the reason I compare them is because
if you look at the Colorado State head coach Jay Norvel,
he had been at Nevada. The offensive cord was Matt Mummy,
(23:01):
the offensive of the son rather of hel Mummy, the
famed you know tandem of Mike Leach and how Mummy
is kind of like, uh, you know the Beatles with
Lennon and Cartney, you know, and so so they had
that system, and Romeo Dobbs had played in Nevada, and
then again the Colorado State staff went Tory Horton had
(23:23):
been in Nevada. So when Dobbs had been been the
best receiver for Nevada at that time, they say, okay,
well Horton is going to be his replacement and and
the clear number one of the teams in both those respects.
And again, Dobbs goes fifth round to the Packers, Tory
Horton fifth round to the Seahawks from the same system.
So the natural question is, how do they compare? Is
(23:46):
Horton as good as Dobbs? Well, I think in some
ways yes, I think that he's more polished. I think
he's got more football IQ. He's got more the hands.
I mean, he's got a late hands quality to him.
He ran a four to four one David at pushing
six to three, and the first thing my son said was,
I'm surprised it was that slow. He thought he had
(24:08):
sub for four play speed, right, But he said, you
know that, maybe Dobbs is just a teeny bit more explosive,
a little bit more burst, but Horton has more polished.
So so I throw those guys in kind of together.
And again, Dobbs was a starter, right, And I think
that had everybody known what Dobbs would be, he'd have
(24:31):
been more like a third rounder.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Now he hasn't been a real significant. I don't.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
I'm not sure he's ever had over seven or the
yard and and the Packers have had a wide receiver need.
But just the fact that they've got a multiple year
starter out of the fifth year, you know, I think
that it's going to be very interesting for Horton because
he could he could make an impact that kind of
belies the fifth round status.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Well, he's gonna have to, I mean for now, he's
gonna have to play special teams. I mean, look, if
he ends up being the number three guy and MVS
doesn't make the team, which I mean, you know my take.
The day they've signed him, I was like, whatever, I mean,
I went back and looked at all the free agent
wide receivers that John Schneider assigned not named Doug Balder
or Jermaine Curse, has undrafted free agents out of college,
(25:16):
and it's just a big ball of nothing, right, I mean,
Philip Dorsett, you know, for example, guys like that. So
I'm glad they drafted the kid. But he's gonna have
to play special teams unless he is again that number
three guy. So can he do that? Can he play
special teams? Did he play special teams?
Speaker 5 (25:34):
He can be a punt returner. I don't, I don't.
I don't perceive of him as being a gunner on
the punt team, which is another position oftentimes wide receivers
because they used to releases. He doesn't strike me as
that type of guy. You know, Ricky White, you mentioned
him round seven. He has more special teams contributions. In fact,
(25:56):
he he was I think in some cases a national
special teams player. There he blocked four punts. We're talking
about the seventh rounder from UNLV. But I watched his
wide receiver tape, and there's just as opposed to Horton,
who has a really good ability to finish. Uh, you know,
think of it like this, and and and a basketball team.
(26:17):
You can have this slasher who just has this beautiful
first step in what have you. But at the end,
you know, he's either got to dunk the basketball or
find a way to kiss it off the glass. If
he doesn't get two points, it doesn't matter how how
beautiful it looks going to the hoop. Well, the same
thing of a receiver. You don't catch the damn ball.
It doesn't match, you know. And so I think that
the hands piece and the ball tracking piece by Ricky White,
(26:42):
the seventh rounder from UNLV, is substantially inferior to the
tracking and ball skills of Tory Horton. They're just no comparison.
I mean, I'm watching Ricky White tape over and over again,
and how did you not catch that? Like, like just
one contested catch?
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Can you please make?
Speaker 5 (26:57):
And then there's some stuff bouncing off his poinking off
his face mask, and I'm like, whoa this is. This
is some of the roughest hands I've seen in a while.
So so now the more tape I watched, I did
see him pluck some balls, and so I kind of
I got a little bit more encouraged by his hands
the more tape I watched. But I'm not expecting a
lot of Ricky White as a wide receiver. I think
(27:19):
Tory Horton is going to thrust himself into the middle.
That's when you consider you know, sick. You know, he's
an outside type receiver. He played inside, he played a
slot someone in Colorado State, and he ran crossing routes
and what have you. But I think I think his
best stuff is on the outside, which is where they
need him because they got JSN inside. Certainly, Cooper cup. JSN,
(27:40):
I think is a little bit more flexible. In an
ideal world, if you had a really well stocked wide
receiver group, you'd have JSN as the Z receiver.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (27:49):
That's the flank or that and that and that. By
the way, it always strikes me as interesting that that
sports fans who know what the the two guard is
in basketball, and they know what the difference between the
three and the four forward, you know that. Why would
you not know the difference between the X, Y and
Z that These are terms that have been around since
before Vince Lombardi. And the Z receiver is the flanker
receiver generally off the ball, you have the capacity to
(28:12):
motion him down. Like to me, that's exactly who JSN is.
And of course the whys the tight end the X receiver,
those attributes are generally you're on the line of scrimmage.
You can't go in motion, so you have to be
you have to be good off the line at press.
That may be an area where Horton, you know, needs
to improve a little bit, But then it's nice to
(28:33):
have some size out there and the ability to speed
to threaten a corner. So a corner goes, oh crap,
I don't have a safety over the top, So I
better really turn my hips and and and put it
in sixth gear to keep up with this cat.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
And then I got to worry.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
You know, most corners are about six foot six one,
and so so you get a receiver who has the length,
the long arms and the height. And then as a quarterback,
when he's running down that left sideline, it just you
just feel like, Okay, he's got enough height I can
I can put the ball over the soulder. And his
length and his speed he'll go get the ball, and
then and then the corner. And final thought the corner
(29:12):
because he's scared about the speed. Then when you do
the stop routes, the comebacks and what have you, then
you're more likely to get open. So I think those
are some things we can expect to see from Horton.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Well, they're gonna have to, you know, that position group's
gonna change a lot. I mean, you got cup is
thirty two in June and Marquez Valdez Scandling is thirty
one in October. So they're gonna need to find an
eventual future at that position. Man, all right, we'll gotta
break here Mailling's in for Dick, a little fun with
audio slash?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Hey did you hear that?
Speaker 3 (29:42):
And then Petros Baby coming up at four right here
on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
It's now time for something in Dick's one with audio.
Jimmy g pawn Star, Jimmy mister garoppolo.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
Now let's have some fun with audio.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
All right back on a beautiful Wednesday afternoon, right here
on ninety three three kJ R FM.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
What do you say?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
We give you what you came for? Baby, A little
fun with audio slash. Hey did you hear that? Hugh
Milling in for Dick Fane on this beautiful Wednesday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Hey, Hugh, did you happen to hear that?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
What's that? Dick?
Speaker 3 (30:16):
We talked about it earlier today at a press conference
this morning, Falcons defensive coordinator Jeff Ulbrick addressing the situation
with his son Jack's prink calling Shadure Sanders during the
draft last weekend.
Speaker 10 (30:29):
Obviously not happy and shocked. So I made the Falcons
aware of the situation, and then our next course of
action was to try to get a hold of the
Sanders family so we could apologize in person, which we
were able to do, and the great the Sanders family,
should Er and Coach Sanders were amazingly gracious, more gracious
(30:53):
than they needed to be in a moment like this.
You know, obviously a tremendous amount of regret for what
my son did and for what I allowed being neglectful
in that way.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
We actually have some audio here that's leaked of Jeff
Ulbrick addressing his son, Jacksaulbrick, after he realized his son
was the one that made the prank call You're ready,
here we go three two one, stupid idiot.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I mean, my god, right, I mean you.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Got to expect that he was just freaking irate with
his son. And again, I don't know if his son
lives with him. I don't know where he goes to school.
I got no idea. Is he is he Is he
a mama's boy? Is he a silver spoon guy? Is
he a blue collar guy? I have no idea. But
my god, anybody out there with a son or daughter
and your kid did something like that embarrassed you across
(31:37):
the country.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Man, you would be livid. Here live you'd be yeah,
he'd be mortified. And I got two kids. My youngest
one is kind of the rule follower. I know he
would never do that, the oldest one. I would be like,
I don't think he'd do it, but I think you
think of it, and Clay or Kale.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Cale Kel would think of it.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
But he wouldn't do it.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Well, he said, he said, because I tried to paint
it out as as enticing as I could, like, there's
the number, you know, you know with dad's work.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
You know, you see the number. You tell me.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
He goes, well, I'd think about it, but but he
goes in the end, I wouldn't mess.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
With your work.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
I think what he said, which you know what is
really easy to say since he was the one he
did it. Of course, of course did you do but
he did say, but he'd say it might run to
his mind. I mean, I don't know. I just think
kids are when you're when you're younger.
Speaker 10 (32:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, well, let me ask you this. Let me ask
you this.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Did you have a prank call anybody when you were fourteen, fifteen, twelve,
fourteen years old?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, asked me.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
If I ever did that, by the way, ye oh god,
you were probably you probably had a master's degree.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I used to prank call this radio station, the one
that I'm working for right now during this time slot.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
By the way, it's fun kidding, but you know, if
there's no real you know, most prank calls, a good
prank call is there's really no it's harmless. I think
about this one is right, he was harmful, But you
know what, Hey, like I said, I think the league
had to do what they had to do.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
I think I like what Jeff Olbrig did.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Now we haven't heard from the kid, but most most importantly,
Sedur is kind of the center of this in terms
of his response has kind of diffused everything, and so
no question tip my hat to well, let me ask
you this.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Does anybody remember the Mike Price show back on seven
to ten radio back in the day and somebody calling
up using the word blow and goats in the same
sentence with Mike Price, Because if you do, that was me?
Speaker 1 (33:30):
That was me?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
All right, Hey, Hugh, did you happen to hear that?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
What's that? Di uh?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
By the way, I think there's a statue of limitations
on that. I hope there is. Former NFL linebacker Will
Compton is now hosting Barstools Busting with the Boys podcast. Well,
yesterday Compton and his podcast broke the news about George
Kittle's new contract with the Niners. Well, when the NFL
Twitter account shared the news by crediting Ian Rappaport, Compton
shared his frustration and anger.
Speaker 8 (33:58):
We both know the NFL's tweet about George Kittle's contract
details via rap sheet is book.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
I see the optics.
Speaker 8 (34:05):
I see on your Twitter you quote tweeted the bust
and tweet and said deal got done. And then the
next tweet you tweeted the details yourself no credit to
Busting with the boys. So then your colleagues at the
NFL post their own version of George Kittle in the details,
saying via rap sheet not on my watching and Rapaport.
You have twenty four hours to fix this, to give
(34:26):
credit where credits due with Busting with the boys, or
I'm coming for your little ass.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
In that a gap. Geez, twenty four hours, I get
it done.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
First, there was Jordan Schultz on a Starbucks at the
Combine going after Rapaport, and now it's Will Compton, an
actual ex player, going after Rapaport. Yeah, I mean it
kind of reminds me of Robins, right, not on watch,
not up in hell not up in.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Hell, I'm coming after you in the a gap.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
I don't know was he like, was that like being
playful and tongue in cheek or is that serious?
Speaker 4 (35:02):
It sounded serious to me.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
You tell me, man, you're sound like.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Almost like a rett. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
I think in this I think in this day and age,
you know who breaks the story? I mean, I get it.
People gotta they gotta dig for stories. But you know what,
then you break it, and then and then in Twitter. Okay,
so you get the story for twenty seconds. It you know,
thirty years ago, you break a story, it sits around
on the newspaper, on the coffee table for twenty four hours.
(35:29):
You got that story. That's right, right, right, and and
and twenty four hours before anybody else reports it. But
now it's twenty four seconds.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
So let me do this.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
We'll do one more before the break and then Petros,
the Mariners game is over. They have one nine to three.
The Mariners. Last year, Hugh scored nine runs or more
sixteen times. In twenty twenty four, they've already done it
five times in the first month of the season, so
they're one third of the way there with five more months.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
To go, so good for them.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
The offensive juggernaut continues to roll with a nine to
three win, and maybe even more importantly, they're now five
and two in spots starts from Hancock Luis F. Castillo,
that's the knockoff, by the way, not the original, and
then Logan Evans five and two in those starts. Unbelievable.
I was, yeah, hang on a ce, hang on a second.
(36:20):
You want to go to a break? You want to
keep going with this? What do you want to do here?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Break?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Okay, here, we'll well, we'll get to the Mariners at
four point thirty after their win today. Petros next on
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