May 1, 2025 • 36 mins
In the third hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Hugh Millen react to the NBA playoffs results last night and LeBron James’ elimination, then wrap up the Seahawks draft with Lance Zierlein who shares his grade on Seattle’s draft before the guys react to his Milroe take.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Lanzer lying going to join us, by the way at
five point twenty tonight and give us this recap of
what the Hawks did in the NFL Draft. And there's
a lot going on to talk about. The Lakers are done.
I know a lot of people are excited about that.
I know Dick is not one of them. He's a
Lebron guy, so he is bummed out about the Lakers
losing yesterday. I'm bummed out for one reason and one
reason only. If you can convince me that the La
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Lakers were one of the two or three teams with
the best shot to beat Oklahoma City and keep them
out of the NBA Finals, then that's a problem. If
you can convince me that ant Man and Minnesota are
a better answer for Oklahoma City, then I'm fine with it.
So this time of the year, Hugh, you know me,
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whoever's playing Oklahoma City, whoever can beat Oklahoma City, that's
the team.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
That I've got. Tie them number one, that's side of
number one.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Don't give a damn who wins the championship as long
as it's not the Thunder.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
You thunder, all right, So you tell me, Hugh Miller,
if you put your NBA basketball hat on it.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You tell me, did the odds of Oklahoma City get
into the NBA Finals increase or decrease you with Lebron
losing last night?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I think they probably increased. I think the Lakers would
It's easy to say. I mean, hell, they couldn't beat Minnesota, right,
so you think at some point, even I don't know
they didn't run out of gas, Lebron would have in
all likelihood. Clearly the coaching JJ Reddick may be a
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good coach. I think there's a lot of questionable aspects
to that, and you know, you wonder how they can guard.
They appeared really short last night. They didn't make the adjustments,
So I don't know, I feel like the better team won. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Well, look, I mean here's the thing. Minnesota won forty
nine games, the Lakers won fifty. You know, the difference,
by the way, between the number two seed in the
NBA playoffs and the number nine seed not much this
year that made the play in tournament. It was I'm sorry,
the number eight seed. It was four games. Was the
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difference fifty two wins to forty eight wins. So there
really is not a lot of difference between the middle
of the pack the top number two and the number.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Seven or eight.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I mean, Oklahoma City unfortunately is head and shoulders the
best team in the Western Conference. It may take a
Cleveland or a Boston to beat them in the NBA Finals,
which I'm fine with. You want to put them all
the way there and then stop on their hopes and
rip their hearts out and show it to them, I'm
fine with that as well. But I'm just look, guys,
that is the only motivation I have right now as
an NBA fan.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
And it's sad right to be.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Sitting here in the middle of well yeah, but I'm
saying right now, right now today, the only motivation I
got for the NBA Playoffs is just who can beat
Oklahoma City. It may come down to you know, Steph
Curry and Golden State, It may come down to the Rockets,
It may come down to the Cavaliers in Boston when
it's all said and done. But can you explain to people, though,
because I just love this topic. I love this topic,
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Can you explain to people why you were so excited
to see Lebron James exit the NBA playoffs last night?
I think Lebron James has okay you're putting me on
the spot here. I think Lebron James has for years
demonstrated a certain smug and arrogance that is off putting
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for me.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And I know many many. I mean, I got different
friend groups like we all do, just like you. I
got my buddies from college. I got my you know,
guys that I played in the NFL with. I got
guys up in snow Qualmi that I coached with. I
got kg R friend like everybody even close to my
age all there there's one commonality. Everybody loved Michael and
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everybody despises Lebron. Wow and yeah and almost without fail.
I literally don't know. And these are friend groups that
aren't even attached to each other. So I know I'm
not on my own island on this, but you know,
you you just you know reasons I don't like him.
How about the chosen one tattoo in like six inch
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font across his back? Okay, how about the take to
my talents to South Beach and that that that absurd
special that he had. How about him getting to Miami
shate not one, not two, not three, not four, not five,
not six, not seven championships? Whatever? How about him saying
I'm the best player in the world. You know, do
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you know the contrast that Michael Jordan when asked, he
said that the question makes him cringe. He says, that's
disrespectful to Jerry West and Wilt Chamberlain. I didn't get
a chance to play for uh that And and here
Lebron says, no, I'm the best player in the world.
How about how about the quote about well, hey, at
the end of the day, these these people, these fans
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have to go back to their miserable lives. Yeah, google
that one. How about the play with browny stuff. You know, look,
I think I think I'm this is not really the
form for it. But you know, as Jason Whitlock said,
he's ignorant about social issues. In fact, Whitlock called him
quote an uninformed race baiter. So look, I'm just getting started. Yeah,
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I got you. Yeah, that's enough. By the way, that
kind of gets no annoying, that's plenty. Yeah, because you're
saying I put you on the spot. I mean, you
kidding me.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
This stuff is just it's it's it's it's right there
at the top of your brain. So I know, I
had no doubt that you could come up with it
off the top of your head. I mean, the thing
for me is this is that look I when it
comes to Michael versus Lebron, A lot of it is
personal preference, right. Some people would even say Kobe is
the best player they ever saw. Some people would say
Wilt Chamberlain. Others might say, you know, Larry Bird or
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Magic Johnson, right whatever, when it's all said and done.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
But I I I do think.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Though that no matter what you think about him off
the court, and I agree with a lot of what
you're saying. By the way, there are things that are
a major turnoff for me. The flopping out of him,
by the way, the complaining out of him. I mean,
the guy gets hit by a defender and people make
fun of soccer players. This guy looks like he got
shot from the three hundred level for crying out loud.
It's amazing. So that bothers me a little bit. What
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he's done though, at the age of forty years old,
and the numbers he's put up at the age of
forty even making the playoffs, playing seventy games at his
age after playing seventy one a year ago, is pretty impressive.
So I would just say this, I would agree with
those that say mj would be their goat over Lebron
at the top of the mountain, But the conversation of
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who the goat is and who number one would be,
I think if you dismiss any side of a Michael
Jordan Lebron James argument, I think you're just being difficult
to be honest with you. Oh, your point is that
there is a credible debate one hundred percent. There's one
hundred percent credible debate that Lebron is the best player
of all time on thousand percent.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Agree with that, right, I don't disagree with that because
when you look at Jordan, I think a lot of
the argument for let's say, okay, take compare him to Gretzky,
and I know that he Gretzky just got passing that
was it total points or was it total total total goals? Correct,
total got him in goals, but still has has him
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in points. Okay, So so Tom Brady is a great
You know, when you started getting into these conversations, you
know the stats in the math has got is going
to come up? And it's a hell of a lot
easier to to make a mathematical argument for tom Brady
being the goat than it is for Michael Jordan. I
think Michael Jordan's the goat. But you've got Bill Russell
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sitting there with eleven championships and and Michael has six, right,
I mean there's a lot of Robert Ory has more.
You know, there's there's a number of guys who have eight.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Nine Celtics won those eleven because of those years. I mean,
Robert Ory was it was it was a complimentary guy
on all those teams, indeed.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
But even okay, I think Koozy, I mean, you'd have
to look at the list, but I've looked at the
list and it just hasn't been recently. But there's you know, Jordan,
There's at least a half a dozen players have won
more titles than Jordan, right, and he's not at the
top of the scoring list. He's you know, you know,
so making a strictly numbers based argument, if if you
had to convince somebody who had never ever seen a
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basketball game and doesn't know if the ball's pumped or stuffed,
and you just had to do it by stats, that
would be a hard argument to make, much harder than
some of these other guys. I mean, with Brady, you
could just you could just you know, let the defense rest.
You say, hey, he's got seven Super Bowl titles, he's
got thirty five playoff wins. The next closest guy's got seventeen,
and then sit down right like there's number based arguments,
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not with Jordan's. So Jordan, it's more what you saw.
And then it also on some level, And look, I
think the likability factor that's subjective for everybody, but you know,
I do think that's a factor. I mean there's a
reason why they had to. I want to be like
Mike Commercial, because every I've never seen in my life.
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I have never seen the very best player in the
world at his sport that was so beloved. Usually you say,
you know, like wait a minute, I want to take
this guy down, Like you know, Brady had that, and
and others and you know, people Montana or or whomever.
But Jordan was acknowledged at the time to be both
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by far and away the best player in the world
and the most blood player. Right, I've never quite seen that.
And I've never seen an athlete where I say that
team is winning that trophy because of that. Man. Sure,
absolutely no even Brady, who I love right, right, I've
never had an athlete strike that kind of belief like
Mike Wellwart.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I mean, look, you know, people like to, you know,
talk about all the times that he lost the NBA Finals,
and I mean, it's it's fair, it's fine. I mean,
Jordan made it six times. Lebron's made it ten times.
I mean getting there ten times and making winning a
conference championship. I feel like we just kind of discard
the conference championships that Lebron won and only look at
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NBA Finals. So I mean, to me, that's a little
bit unfair. But I do think this. I think what
he's done at the age of forty years old is
freaking bananas.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
You.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I mean, there's no doubt you are being ignorant, and
you're being difficult, and you're just simply put just ignoring
what you're watching in reality when you choose to not
acknowledge what a forty year old man just did for
seventy one games in the NBA. I still think Lebron's
number one, excuse me, Jordan's number one, but what this
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guy just did at the age of forty years old
was pretty impressive.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
There's no question there's longevity but hey, Jordan's a ten
time scoring champion. Yep, Lebron won. Jordan was a nine
time I get it first team all the time with you,
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I'm just saying like I said, just to end the segments,
there is a credible argument for Lebron being number one.
I don't be no question about it. The guy was
top five of the MVP for thirteen years in a row.
That is amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
All right a break.
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Speaker 2 (12:01):
How are you man, doing well?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
How do we do it today?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Good?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Appreciate you doing this man, love having you on every
single week. Let's just start at the top, man, and
get your thoughts on the Seahawks draft Grey Zabel. Hawks
have not drafted an offensive lineman interior lineman that high
since Steve Hutchinson twenty four years ago, and he became
a Hall of Famer. What kind of career do we
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think Grey's Abel's gonna have.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I think a solid one. I think he's a solid
football player. I think he's an early starter. He can
play two positions, which is always nice to have center
guard ability, especially inside the game. I'm sure he'll start
off as a guard over there, and you know he's
got good strength. There's a big step up in competition
going from SCS to the NFL. But you know, he
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definitely showed well at the Senior Bowl, so he stepped
up against better competition and played really, really well. So
I think Gray's abel is well the guy who probably
rose up the ranks in terms of expected draft positioning
faster than anyone. I don't know if there's anyone I
remember who you know had a more meteoric rise from
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the perceived draft spot to where he ended up. Uh So, yeah,
I think he's a good football player and I think
he's going to be a good fit for what Seattle
wants to do.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Well, let's stay right there to what factors do you
account that he had that kind of meteoric rise? What
what what happened that cause that?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Well? Yeah, I think it's basically, you know, anytime you
have an FCS player, and especially an SCS offensive lineman,
you know you have to see what you're working with
from a strength standpoint when they're tested by much bigger players.
I look at SCS lineman all the time. I watch
North Dakota State all the time. I mean, they have
somebody coming out all the time, and you know the
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players that go up against though are much much smaller,
they're much less explosive, close to being on the NFL
level for the most part. And so I think, you know,
I attributed to he got to there was talk about
maybe a third round type of player, maybe second round,
and he got to the Senior Bowl and like every
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rep was a good rep and his one on ones
every single rep, and he was going up against some
big guys, some big, powerful players. So the strength checked
out there, the hand placement and technique checked out, and
he just he just he didn't look like the moment
wasn't too big for him. He looked extremely confident against
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these players from Power five conferences. So I think that's
when that's when everything started shooting up for him. Is
where everyone said, Okay, forget the SDS tag, let's just
look at him as a standard prospect now and let's
you know, let's let's let's see what he does along
the way at Combine and see what the measurements look like.
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And honestly, there was three there was three interior players,
Donovan Jackson, Tyler Booker, and Grey z Abel who were
kind of the big three, and they all went in
the first round. So I think that really spoke volumes.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Would you have taken Zabel over Jackson.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I've got Jackson a little bit higher, but once you
get to once you get to these guards, the matter
of it's a matter of your taste. Like you know, Zabel,
I think is maybe a little bit a little bit
nastier from a demeanor standpoint. I think Booker's the nasties
and nastiest of all. But he may be, and he
was drafted twelve by the Cowboys, but he also might
be a little more limited, frankly than Zabel and Jackson.
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I think Jackson has the cleanest profile of all, pedigree, athleticism, size, length,
all that, But you know, he was the third one
to go, So I think it was just a matter
of what teams were looking for, and I think in
terms of zone scheme stuff, Zabel and Jackson both fit
the bill.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
To be honest with you, Lance Zerlin with us and
Lance says, we look at the whole list of Seattle
Seaork draft picks. I'd like to if you could imagine
yourself as a Sea Oork fan, and I'd like you
to say how excited you would be for these guys
relative to the position that they were picked in the draft, Like,
please don't tell me that you're more excited about Zabel
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than Ricky White, right, because one was the eighteenth pick.
Another guy was, you know, the tour and thirty eighth pick.
But just factoring where they got drafted, who would you
be Name one or two of these guys that you
say you're most excited about when considering where they were taking.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, give me a favorite. Run him down for me,
because I don't have it right here in front of me.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Okay, so we got.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
You. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
So so with the fiftieth you got nick Emm and
Worry right.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah, yeah, very excited where they where they got him,
first round caliber talent. I'll give you just quick comments
on all of them. I thought that I think he's
you know, they're gonna see some some people are gonna
want to see Cam Chancellor. He didn't. He's not a
killer like Cam Chancellor in terms of in the middle
of the field blowing people up. But what he is
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has Trump Mendus size and explosiveness and range. So he's
got He's got everything that you want in terms of
in terms of you know, coverage, field coverage, so he
can play down low, he can play over the top.
He's kind of a he's a dual threat safety. Like
if he just turns it on all the time, if
he's motivated at all times, he's a phenomenal talent. He's
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just got to get it cranked up all the time.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, that you know, it's funny that you said that, Lance,
because his position coach Tory and Gray from South Carolina
was on with us a couple hours ago and he
said almost the exact same thing.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I think.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I think Hugh asked him, what would be something that
you tell him he's got to do to survive, and
he said, never be content, and he kind of felt
like he insinuated that maybe he was a little too
content at times.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
So interesting, you got the same take.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
But Elijah Royo, Jalen Milroe, Riley Mills from Notre Dame,
Tory Horton from Caloro State, Robbie Huts tight end, half
back for a fullback whatever from Alabah, Bryce Cabildoo the
lineman from Kansas, Damian Martinez Miami, Mason Richmond who started
like forty games at left tackle at Iowa was a
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seventh rounder, and then Ricky Wide the receiver from you
and Ov.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Yeah, that's a really good draft like cable Do is A.
He's a He's a player who I think is gonna
make this team and he'll end up being a He'll
be he'll end up being an NFL starter at some point.
Really tough, big, physical, he's play tackle, He's a natural guard.
He was a really good pick. Uh there when when
when they when the Seahawks got him. Milroe's interesting. I
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think Milroe is a curious pick because I don't see
him as a full time starting quarterback in the future.
I just I don't think that. I don't think the
accuracy is just ever gonna fix. But you don't have
to have it fully fixed. As long as he's making
explosive plays with his legs, it's like a sliding scale,
like you can have him. He just needs to be
functional as a passer and explosive as a playmaker. The
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problem is, when you want to win at the highest level,
you gotta be able to win a little bit better
from the pockets. Souf. I think I think this is
just Seattle saying let's get this incredibly explosive talent and athlete,
and let's get him in camp and let's see if
we can turn him into a quarterback. And if we can't,
we've got an athlete. We're gonna figure something else out.
Uh uh, something else with him? After after him? You mentioned,
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let's see, before Milroe, who did you have? There's another
one I really liked in Miami. Yeah, I like Arroyo,
a field stretcher. I wasn't quite as high. I feel
like he's more of a third. But I'm the low man.
I'm the low man in all the draft on him.
Everyone else absolutely loves him. And I'm talking about teams everybody. Now.
He's had some injuries, so I don't know that he's
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injury pro. He's just had injuries that have slowed him down.
So that was one of the things that I thought
early and early in the process this this year. He
wasn't playing as fast as he did by the end
of the year because he still had to get healthy.
So Arroyo, Milroe, and then the one after Milroe. I remember,
I liked who you had there.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Uh you want the less, I'll give you the less. Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Well, who was it right after? Right after mill Row?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
It was Riley Mills defensive tackle Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Give give me one more.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, Robby Robbie Alabama.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
All Right, So Horton is a fantastic Horton is a steel.
Horton's an absolute steel. This guy is going to be Hey,
Seattle's gonna love him, an absolute steel the same way,
you know, the the same way. Oh, who's the guy
you just lost Kansas State?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Lockett?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah, Lockett. I remember when Lockett came in, and I'm like,
they stole Lockett. Lockett was fantastic. Horton's going to be
a steal. Also, terrific player, really really impressed a football player.
I think he's gonna make a I think he's gonna
make I think he's going to start to factor early
on for Seattle. Riley Mills has an injury or he
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would have gone even higher. He's he's you know, he's
coming back from a torn a cl This year maybe
a red shirt year for him. But I tell you what,
he is a problem on the interior. He can play
as a big end. He can play as a three
technique and play otter even front, so he can play,
you know, in either type of defensive scheme. And he
just plays really hard. And you see that number ninety nine,
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you see his body type, you know you kind of
want to yet to guard against the JJ Watt stuff
just a little bit. And he's not JJ Watt, but
when you watch him play, he plays hard like what
JJ did coming out of Wisconsin. So there are you know,
I do see some similarities when JJ came out. Now
the player JJ Watt became was just a superhero. So
that's you know, it's a little bit different, the pro
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version versus the college version. Robbie Oots. So when I
wrote him up, I finished watching him and I must
suspend probably fifteen minutes trying to figure out what I
wanted to say on this really what he is as
a fullback. They listen him as a tight end, because
I just he was so fun to watch, And I said,
you know, and I and in my draft profile and
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you could google it and read it if you want.
I said, he's built live a doc worker who here's
I'll just tell you what he is. He's like a
dock worker with three kids, who's got a squat rack
in his in his in his garage, and he's just
out there and he just squats for fun. Like he's
a hard nosed, blue collar player. They played him at
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tight end. He can get out in space, he didn't
test wealth combine, but I'm telling you he's way quicker
than you think he's gonna be. He will hit you
and hit you with some ferocity. He was the only
fullback that was going to be drafted. Well, I wasn't
sure he's going to be drafted, and I'm glad he
was because he's going to be a starting fullback out
of this class. And see that's what I I think
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the Hawks for his many picks, I think eleven, right,
I think they had eleven picks they're gonna I mean
I can see nine of them making them, and that's
that's unheard of. I mean it's absolutely unheard of. But
everyone John Schneider was grabbing. I'm like, yeah, he's a
make a guy. Yeah, he's a make a guy. He's
a make a guy. So I thought, up and down
they they grab guys. To me, that weren't really reaches.
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I didn't see any reaches on the board, to be
honest with you. Now, Finley Mills, they could probably could
have got him even later, and he may have fought,
but he deserved the tape, deserve he deserved to be
drafted inside the first you know, four or five rounds
so you know, you certainly understand that because John's drafting
the tape, he's not drafting the fact that you know
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you're only gonna get three out of four years on him.
So I thought the draft class was terrific because it
was filled full of guys who are gonna make this roster.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
So Lance zerline with us. Let's circle back to your
comments about Jalen Milroe, because I think what you said
is you don't expect that he will ever have the
accuracy to be a serviceable starting quarterback equality starting quarterback,
And and if that's the case, is it worth it
for a third round? If he's just kind of a
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gussied up Taysom Hill, like like just kind of amplify
your evaluation of Jalen Milroe.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Well, you know, I think what we have to do
is you got to step outside the box a little
bit with jaln Nolroe because I would argue that Taysom
Hill has been a really valuable member of the New
Orleans Saints. I mean, he can do a lot of things,
especially as you get close to scoring, when you're trying
to convert third downs, when you're getting close to the
end zone. He's been very, very valuable. I think he
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can become a serviceable quarterback. But I mean, first of all,
we have to define serviceable, and number two, you're playing
to win championships. So I don't think he's a quarterback
that you start like. I don't think he's ever gonna
be Lamar Jackson. Lamar has gotten a lot better as
a passer. He was better coming out of college as
a passer than Norah. I've watched two seasons of Jalen
on tape. He really struggled this year with accuracy decision making.
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I'm not sure that's going to change drastically. He has
an arm that can push it down the field, and
he can be explosive with his arm. He can be
really explosive with his legs. I just think right now
we're dealing with the player who the NFL really hasn't
seen a player like this at quarterback. You're talking about linebacker,
will linebacker, size, wide receiver, speed and explosiveness, and then
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you know the ability as a runner, like a breakaway
running back in the open field, and it's in at
the quarterback position. The NFL's has never seen this. So
I think what Seattle's doing is saying, hey, let's draft
this freak daddy and let's see what we got. You know,
there was talk about him going in the first, and
I always thought that was preposterous. I thought he'd going
a second. Frankly, in third. I think it's pretty got
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me because you've got a guy who does things that
no one else can do at that position. You just
got to figure out the best way to use him,
and maybe he ends up being a gadget guy. I'll
tell you this, third round quarterbacks are typically backups. That's
who they are and what they are. You tell me,
you give me a backup that runs a four three
forty I mean, and that you can put in situations
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on third and short and fourth and short and you're
probably not gonna stop him from getting the first down.
I mean, it's tremendous value in today's NFL for that.
So I think it's I'm really interested to see al
Seattle used them. Did they bring them along slowly and
try to give him standard quarterback development? I wouldn't. I
get him on the field and put the ball in
his hands as quick day one, right, and figure it
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out while I'm helping to groom in his quarterback I
want him on the field, help him because he's got
special athletic traits.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, he's not gonna be your number two or number
three quarterback and name only right, I mean having him
sitting on the bench holding a clipboard seems like a
waste of a third round pick. Yeah, But like you said,
I mean the last time the Hawks drafted a quarterback
in the third round, Lance, his name was was Russell Wilson,
and he wins seventy fifth overall. So look, I'm not
saying he's going to be Russell Wilson. I'm with you
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on the arm. You and I are in lockstep on that.
But I do wonder Lance, explain to people when we
do see Jalen Milroe play. Do we see the Seahawks
institute the tush push. Do we see him run off guard.
Do we see him on fourth and inches with the
shotgun and the wildcat and just grab the ball and
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get his ass right up the a gap behind center?
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Do we see Mike McDonald now on fourth and six
inches from his own thirty five yard line be aggressive
and bring this guy in the game and get that
first down and not punt the ball away. What does
reality look like on game day for Jalen Milroe starting
in week one.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Well, you may stick Rob Boots in there with him, right,
you know you drafted his fullback, so you may stick
him in there. And my guess is it's gonna be
direct snap power got him around the left side, the
right side. You don't want to you don't want to
run him in the a gap. All that off And
I mean this is he's got good size. He's not
Jalen Milroe, a six hundred pounds squad quarterback. I mean,
I'm sorry, Jalen hurts. Yeah, you know it's you want
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to take advantage of his explosiveness. But remember he can
pass like you cannot just sell out to the power.
He can give you a little fake look and throw it.
So I think, you know, a really creative like a
Ben Johnson. I can only imagine what now the Chicago
head coach would do with a player like Jalen Milroe.
And I think what Seattle has to do is really
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come up with packaged place because you can now use
him to counter. You can create counters off of his
power runs. You can show the run and then create
because he's a real quarterback, like he can throw it.
He's not the most accurate quarterback, but he's a quarterback.
This isn't a you know, this isn't a player who
played quarterback in high school, and so he can throw
it a little bit for trick plays. No, you have
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to it's fourth and one. You have to factor in
that if he takes off running, he could also throw it.
You know, he could also throw to a wide receiver.
That's fakes, blocking and releases. Like There's a lot you
can do with a player like that, And that's why
I'm really interested to see. I'm excited to see what
Seattle's going to do with him.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Final minutes here with Lance Zuoline. Lance, I also want
to go back to what you said about Eliza Arroyo
and see where we may differ, because when I watch
the tape, I see a guy that moves, got a
lot of wide receiver. I don't know trades about his movement,
and I couldn't believe it was six' five and an
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eighth and two. Fifty and then of course there's just the,
knee and then it got reinjured at The Senior bowl
and he couldn't do it the. Combine SO i think
that that's what dropped him to. Fifty you weren't as
high on. Him is that because of the tape or
are you just, saying, HEY i love the, tape BUT
i hate the injury kind of where are you on
a royal?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Now? Listen he was SOMEBODY i wrote In, december my
tape is running or, NO i wrote him In, november
my tape is running. Behind SO i watched him the
first six, games AND i wrote him off first six.
Games i'll just tell you right, now he, said, guy
BECAUSE i have to get. STARTED i got four hundred
and fifty players a, RIGHT i got to get. Started
and SO i got, started and BEFORE i got my
last tape, update which is a big, One i've seen
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him in you, know five LIKE i, said five or six.
Games the problem, IS i think by the end of
the year he was moving much better and much. Faster
so the VERSION i saw at The Senior bowl was
a lot different than the version THAT i watched on.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Tape so that's there's the.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Difference that accounts for the difference is the version at
The Senior. Bowl the longer the play went, on the
harder he gets because he's got build up. Speed if
you give him a two and three level route kind
of cross country routes that cross the. Hashes you're gonna
have a really hard time gardener because he gets faster
and faster and. Faster and just like you, Said, hugh
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he's got real wide receiver movements like he can really you,
know there's a lot of a lot of smoothness out
of his breaks that cause you, know linebackers to completely lose.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Coverage and the words Of Scott, farrell one of the
founding fathers of sports talk radio in this, COUNTRY i
cannot be the man because you're the.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Man all, Right, lance great.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Stuff, Man appreciate this and let's try and hook up
maybe over the.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Offseason, appreciated, Buddy.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah you Got thank you, Guys LANZERLINE nfl dot. COM
i want to come back and get you to kind
of react to what you heard From lance there The
Jalen milroe, Stuff, HUGH i think is, again what does
reality look like on On sunday when When Jalen milroe
finally hits the.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Field what does that look like to?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
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Speaker 1 (31:06):
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be live AT dub tomorrow or the annual spring game
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Tomorrow yours truly roam on the, sidelines so that should
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O'clock next, segment, Though Gray zabel was introduced to The
Seahawk media today at three point, thirty we're gonna hear
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a bit from the NEW i presume starting left guard
for Your Seattle. Seahawks and as soon as we Get
huback on, HERE i want to ask him the same
QUESTION i Asked zerline last, segment because, guys let's face,
it if you're going to take a guy in the third,
ROUND i don't care what position he's. Playing that's a
guy that is going to play right unless he is
going to be a potential starter at. Quarterback and you
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have an old man who's in the final year of his,
deal and you want to groom the guy for a,
season you want to pull the you, KNOW i don't.
Know i'm trying to think of a third round quarterback
that could be looked at as an automatic starter down the,
road AND i don't know if any come to. MIND i,
mean you, know The Aaron rodgers And Jordan love And Green.
Bay those were first round, picks For god's. Sake so
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you take a guy at ninety two in the third,
round and you're talking about a guy that's got to
play in do something for you right. Away And i'm
just really curious What Jalen milroe on game day will
look like for this football. TEAM i remember before The
Kansas City buffalo, Game jackson in THE Afc. Championship dick
AND i were having a conversation, About, hey how aggressive
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Is buffalo gonna be if it's fourth and one from
their own thirty five yard. Line are they gonna Use
Josh allen to just get the foot and say the
hell with, it it's a free first. Out, Yeah and
good thing they didn't do that because they got stuffed to,
TON i, thought because they were running the wrong quarterback sneak.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
RIGHT i, mean there was no tush.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Push there was no pushing of any tushyat going on
in that game For. Buffalo but you, know that's WHAT
i think these guys can. DO i, mean how many
times were people yelling and screaming at THE tv When
Pete carroll was? Here, hey, man go for, it, dude
come on fourth and two inches from your own forty
five yard, line don't kick the ball, away go for.
It AND i think With Jalen, milroe my hope is
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at least we can sit here and debate and criticize
the guy as a. PASSER i think it's, warranted but
the hope is that that is What Jalen milrow will
do for, them and all of a, sudden putting the
ball on fourth and six inches from your own forty
turns into a quarterback, sneak had a free first down
and The seahawks keep the.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Ball the sneaks are interesting because we saw more sneaks
last year with this. Offense AND i think the interesting
thing for me, is you know how we talked about
who is? It it made the comparison of Like Cam newton's
strength in somebody else's speed right, right where like if
you have that kind of a guy that mixes these,
two it's not as much of a sneak as you put.
Them you, know a couple of yards off the, line
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and it's not even the you, know the tush push
Of Jalen. Hurts you get to kind of use The
Cam newton get a couple of yards a run.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Up but it all comes back to the, push.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
RIGHT i, mean that's why The eagles tush push worked
so well As Jason kelcey that offensive line gets such
a big.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Push.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Yeh so if you can Get Zabel we're gonna hear
from and everybody else to get that oomph up, forward
then it's gonna make it a lot easier For milroe
to get, one, two. Three WHAT i, mean whatever yards
you have to, get if you just feel the confidence
to put him back.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
THERE i just think What zerline said of Using Robbie
huts in that situation as a blocking back is a great.
Idea they played together At. Alabama you know they know
what they're all. About and, LOOK i mean sometimes the
opposite team knows what you're doing and it doesn't, matter,
Right AND i think that's what they have a potential
to do here With Jalen milroe as a, runner like
you Know Marshawn. Lynch, yeah getting the ball on short yarded.
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Situations we know where he's going and we just we
can't stop. It he's too physical and The seahawk offensive
line was too good back in the. Day SO i
don't really care if the opposing team knows What i'm. Doing,
Right If gray Z abel is what he, is you,
know marketed to, be And Charles cross is deserving of
that fifth year, contract and Old willa With temmy is
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really going to be your starting center for the next
four or five, seasons then who cares if the opposing
team knows what you're Doing When milroe comes into the,
game and you Know zerline's take on just running power
out a, shotgun, snap and just go, exactly just go,
Right just run over somebody, right run into a mother
f face Like marshan used to, say doesn't, matter just.
(36:08):
Go So i'm really, Hopeful, jackson that they can turn
some of that into reality and actually be a little
bit aggressive inside their own fifty uh maybe even instead
of settling for a fifty yard field, goal you just
go forward on fourth and one from their thirty, FIVE i,
think and their numbers go way up when it comes to.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Conversions so we'll see
Lanzer lying going to join us, by the way at
five point twenty tonight and give us this recap of
what the Hawks did in the NFL Draft. And there's
a lot going on to talk about. The Lakers are done.
I know a lot of people are excited about that.
I know Dick is not one of them. He's a
Lebron guy, so he is bummed out about the Lakers
losing yesterday. I'm bummed out for one reason and one
reason only. If you can convince me that the La
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Lakers were one of the two or three teams with
the best shot to beat Oklahoma City and keep them
out of the NBA Finals, then that's a problem. If
you can convince me that ant Man and Minnesota are
a better answer for Oklahoma City, then I'm fine with it.
So this time of the year, Hugh, you know me,
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whoever's playing Oklahoma City, whoever can beat Oklahoma City, that's
the team.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
That I've got. Tie them number one, that's side of
number one.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Don't give a damn who wins the championship as long
as it's not the Thunder.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
You thunder, all right, So you tell me, Hugh Miller,
if you put your NBA basketball hat on it.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You tell me, did the odds of Oklahoma City get
into the NBA Finals increase or decrease you with Lebron
losing last night?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I think they probably increased. I think the Lakers would
It's easy to say. I mean, hell, they couldn't beat Minnesota, right,
so you think at some point, even I don't know
they didn't run out of gas, Lebron would have in
all likelihood. Clearly the coaching JJ Reddick may be a
(01:34):
good coach. I think there's a lot of questionable aspects
to that, and you know, you wonder how they can guard.
They appeared really short last night. They didn't make the adjustments,
So I don't know, I feel like the better team won. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Well, look, I mean here's the thing. Minnesota won forty
nine games, the Lakers won fifty. You know, the difference,
by the way, between the number two seed in the
NBA playoffs and the number nine seed not much this
year that made the play in tournament. It was I'm sorry,
the number eight seed. It was four games. Was the
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difference fifty two wins to forty eight wins. So there
really is not a lot of difference between the middle
of the pack the top number two and the number.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Seven or eight.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I mean, Oklahoma City unfortunately is head and shoulders the
best team in the Western Conference. It may take a
Cleveland or a Boston to beat them in the NBA Finals,
which I'm fine with. You want to put them all
the way there and then stop on their hopes and
rip their hearts out and show it to them, I'm
fine with that as well. But I'm just look, guys,
that is the only motivation I have right now as
an NBA fan.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
And it's sad right to be.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Sitting here in the middle of well yeah, but I'm
saying right now, right now today, the only motivation I
got for the NBA Playoffs is just who can beat
Oklahoma City. It may come down to you know, Steph
Curry and Golden State, It may come down to the Rockets,
It may come down to the Cavaliers in Boston when
it's all said and done. But can you explain to people, though,
because I just love this topic. I love this topic,
(03:02):
Can you explain to people why you were so excited
to see Lebron James exit the NBA playoffs last night?
I think Lebron James has okay you're putting me on
the spot here. I think Lebron James has for years
demonstrated a certain smug and arrogance that is off putting
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for me.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And I know many many. I mean, I got different
friend groups like we all do, just like you. I
got my buddies from college. I got my you know,
guys that I played in the NFL with. I got
guys up in snow Qualmi that I coached with. I
got kg R friend like everybody even close to my
age all there there's one commonality. Everybody loved Michael and
(03:49):
everybody despises Lebron. Wow and yeah and almost without fail.
I literally don't know. And these are friend groups that
aren't even attached to each other. So I know I'm
not on my own island on this, but you know,
you you just you know reasons I don't like him.
How about the chosen one tattoo in like six inch
(04:09):
font across his back? Okay, how about the take to
my talents to South Beach and that that that absurd
special that he had. How about him getting to Miami
shate not one, not two, not three, not four, not five,
not six, not seven championships? Whatever? How about him saying
I'm the best player in the world. You know, do
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you know the contrast that Michael Jordan when asked, he
said that the question makes him cringe. He says, that's
disrespectful to Jerry West and Wilt Chamberlain. I didn't get
a chance to play for uh that And and here
Lebron says, no, I'm the best player in the world.
How about how about the quote about well, hey, at
the end of the day, these these people, these fans
(04:52):
have to go back to their miserable lives. Yeah, google
that one. How about the play with browny stuff. You know, look,
I think I think I'm this is not really the
form for it. But you know, as Jason Whitlock said,
he's ignorant about social issues. In fact, Whitlock called him
quote an uninformed race baiter. So look, I'm just getting started. Yeah,
(05:14):
I got you. Yeah, that's enough. By the way, that
kind of gets no annoying, that's plenty. Yeah, because you're
saying I put you on the spot. I mean, you
kidding me.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
This stuff is just it's it's it's it's right there
at the top of your brain. So I know, I
had no doubt that you could come up with it
off the top of your head. I mean, the thing
for me is this is that look I when it
comes to Michael versus Lebron, A lot of it is
personal preference, right. Some people would even say Kobe is
the best player they ever saw. Some people would say
Wilt Chamberlain. Others might say, you know, Larry Bird or
(05:44):
Magic Johnson, right whatever, when it's all said and done.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
But I I I do think.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Though that no matter what you think about him off
the court, and I agree with a lot of what
you're saying. By the way, there are things that are
a major turnoff for me. The flopping out of him,
by the way, the complaining out of him. I mean,
the guy gets hit by a defender and people make
fun of soccer players. This guy looks like he got
shot from the three hundred level for crying out loud.
It's amazing. So that bothers me a little bit. What
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he's done though, at the age of forty years old,
and the numbers he's put up at the age of
forty even making the playoffs, playing seventy games at his
age after playing seventy one a year ago, is pretty impressive.
So I would just say this, I would agree with
those that say mj would be their goat over Lebron
at the top of the mountain, But the conversation of
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who the goat is and who number one would be,
I think if you dismiss any side of a Michael
Jordan Lebron James argument, I think you're just being difficult
to be honest with you. Oh, your point is that
there is a credible debate one hundred percent. There's one
hundred percent credible debate that Lebron is the best player
of all time on thousand percent.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Agree with that, right, I don't disagree with that because
when you look at Jordan, I think a lot of
the argument for let's say, okay, take compare him to Gretzky,
and I know that he Gretzky just got passing that
was it total points or was it total total total goals? Correct,
total got him in goals, but still has has him
(07:15):
in points. Okay, So so Tom Brady is a great
You know, when you started getting into these conversations, you
know the stats in the math has got is going
to come up? And it's a hell of a lot
easier to to make a mathematical argument for tom Brady
being the goat than it is for Michael Jordan. I
think Michael Jordan's the goat. But you've got Bill Russell
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sitting there with eleven championships and and Michael has six, right,
I mean there's a lot of Robert Ory has more.
You know, there's there's a number of guys who have eight.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Nine Celtics won those eleven because of those years. I mean,
Robert Ory was it was it was a complimentary guy
on all those teams, indeed.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
But even okay, I think Koozy, I mean, you'd have
to look at the list, but I've looked at the
list and it just hasn't been recently. But there's you know, Jordan,
There's at least a half a dozen players have won
more titles than Jordan, right, and he's not at the
top of the scoring list. He's you know, you know,
so making a strictly numbers based argument, if if you
had to convince somebody who had never ever seen a
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basketball game and doesn't know if the ball's pumped or stuffed,
and you just had to do it by stats, that
would be a hard argument to make, much harder than
some of these other guys. I mean, with Brady, you
could just you could just you know, let the defense rest.
You say, hey, he's got seven Super Bowl titles, he's
got thirty five playoff wins. The next closest guy's got seventeen,
and then sit down right like there's number based arguments,
(08:39):
not with Jordan's. So Jordan, it's more what you saw.
And then it also on some level, And look, I
think the likability factor that's subjective for everybody, but you know,
I do think that's a factor. I mean there's a
reason why they had to. I want to be like
Mike Commercial, because every I've never seen in my life.
(09:01):
I have never seen the very best player in the
world at his sport that was so beloved. Usually you say,
you know, like wait a minute, I want to take
this guy down, Like you know, Brady had that, and
and others and you know, people Montana or or whomever.
But Jordan was acknowledged at the time to be both
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by far and away the best player in the world
and the most blood player. Right, I've never quite seen that.
And I've never seen an athlete where I say that
team is winning that trophy because of that. Man. Sure,
absolutely no even Brady, who I love right, right, I've
never had an athlete strike that kind of belief like
Mike Wellwart.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I mean, look, you know, people like to, you know,
talk about all the times that he lost the NBA Finals,
and I mean, it's it's fair, it's fine. I mean,
Jordan made it six times. Lebron's made it ten times.
I mean getting there ten times and making winning a
conference championship. I feel like we just kind of discard
the conference championships that Lebron won and only look at
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NBA Finals. So I mean, to me, that's a little
bit unfair. But I do think this. I think what
he's done at the age of forty years old is
freaking bananas.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
You.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I mean, there's no doubt you are being ignorant, and
you're being difficult, and you're just simply put just ignoring
what you're watching in reality when you choose to not
acknowledge what a forty year old man just did for
seventy one games in the NBA. I still think Lebron's
number one, excuse me, Jordan's number one, but what this
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guy just did at the age of forty years old
was pretty impressive.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
There's no question there's longevity but hey, Jordan's a ten
time scoring champion. Yep, Lebron won. Jordan was a nine
time I get it first team all the time with you,
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I'm just saying like I said, just to end the segments,
there is a credible argument for Lebron being number one.
I don't be no question about it. The guy was
top five of the MVP for thirteen years in a row.
That is amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
All right a break.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
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Speaker 2 (12:01):
How are you man, doing well?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
How do we do it today?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Good?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Appreciate you doing this man, love having you on every
single week. Let's just start at the top, man, and
get your thoughts on the Seahawks draft Grey Zabel. Hawks
have not drafted an offensive lineman interior lineman that high
since Steve Hutchinson twenty four years ago, and he became
a Hall of Famer. What kind of career do we
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think Grey's Abel's gonna have.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I think a solid one. I think he's a solid
football player. I think he's an early starter. He can
play two positions, which is always nice to have center
guard ability, especially inside the game. I'm sure he'll start
off as a guard over there, and you know he's
got good strength. There's a big step up in competition
going from SCS to the NFL. But you know, he
(12:49):
definitely showed well at the Senior Bowl, so he stepped
up against better competition and played really, really well. So
I think Gray's abel is well the guy who probably
rose up the ranks in terms of expected draft positioning
faster than anyone. I don't know if there's anyone I
remember who you know had a more meteoric rise from
(13:12):
the perceived draft spot to where he ended up. Uh So, yeah,
I think he's a good football player and I think
he's going to be a good fit for what Seattle
wants to do.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Well, let's stay right there to what factors do you
account that he had that kind of meteoric rise? What
what what happened that cause that?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Well? Yeah, I think it's basically, you know, anytime you
have an FCS player, and especially an SCS offensive lineman,
you know you have to see what you're working with
from a strength standpoint when they're tested by much bigger players.
I look at SCS lineman all the time. I watch
North Dakota State all the time. I mean, they have
somebody coming out all the time, and you know the
(13:54):
players that go up against though are much much smaller,
they're much less explosive, close to being on the NFL
level for the most part. And so I think, you know,
I attributed to he got to there was talk about
maybe a third round type of player, maybe second round,
and he got to the Senior Bowl and like every
(14:14):
rep was a good rep and his one on ones
every single rep, and he was going up against some
big guys, some big, powerful players. So the strength checked
out there, the hand placement and technique checked out, and
he just he just he didn't look like the moment
wasn't too big for him. He looked extremely confident against
(14:35):
these players from Power five conferences. So I think that's
when that's when everything started shooting up for him. Is
where everyone said, Okay, forget the SDS tag, let's just
look at him as a standard prospect now and let's
you know, let's let's let's see what he does along
the way at Combine and see what the measurements look like.
(14:55):
And honestly, there was three there was three interior players,
Donovan Jackson, Tyler Booker, and Grey z Abel who were
kind of the big three, and they all went in
the first round. So I think that really spoke volumes.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Would you have taken Zabel over Jackson.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I've got Jackson a little bit higher, but once you
get to once you get to these guards, the matter
of it's a matter of your taste. Like you know, Zabel,
I think is maybe a little bit a little bit
nastier from a demeanor standpoint. I think Booker's the nasties
and nastiest of all. But he may be, and he
was drafted twelve by the Cowboys, but he also might
be a little more limited, frankly than Zabel and Jackson.
(15:32):
I think Jackson has the cleanest profile of all, pedigree, athleticism, size, length,
all that, But you know, he was the third one
to go, So I think it was just a matter
of what teams were looking for, and I think in
terms of zone scheme stuff, Zabel and Jackson both fit
the bill.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
To be honest with you, Lance Zerlin with us and
Lance says, we look at the whole list of Seattle
Seaork draft picks. I'd like to if you could imagine
yourself as a Sea Oork fan, and I'd like you
to say how excited you would be for these guys
relative to the position that they were picked in the draft, Like,
please don't tell me that you're more excited about Zabel
(16:11):
than Ricky White, right, because one was the eighteenth pick.
Another guy was, you know, the tour and thirty eighth pick.
But just factoring where they got drafted, who would you
be Name one or two of these guys that you
say you're most excited about when considering where they were taking.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, give me a favorite. Run him down for me,
because I don't have it right here in front of me.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Okay, so we got.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
You. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
So so with the fiftieth you got nick Emm and
Worry right.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah, yeah, very excited where they where they got him,
first round caliber talent. I'll give you just quick comments
on all of them. I thought that I think he's
you know, they're gonna see some some people are gonna
want to see Cam Chancellor. He didn't. He's not a
killer like Cam Chancellor in terms of in the middle
of the field blowing people up. But what he is
(16:59):
has Trump Mendus size and explosiveness and range. So he's
got He's got everything that you want in terms of
in terms of you know, coverage, field coverage, so he
can play down low, he can play over the top.
He's kind of a he's a dual threat safety. Like
if he just turns it on all the time, if
he's motivated at all times, he's a phenomenal talent. He's
(17:22):
just got to get it cranked up all the time.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, that you know, it's funny that you said that, Lance,
because his position coach Tory and Gray from South Carolina
was on with us a couple hours ago and he
said almost the exact same thing.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I think.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I think Hugh asked him, what would be something that
you tell him he's got to do to survive, and
he said, never be content, and he kind of felt
like he insinuated that maybe he was a little too
content at times.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
So interesting, you got the same take.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
But Elijah Royo, Jalen Milroe, Riley Mills from Notre Dame,
Tory Horton from Caloro State, Robbie Huts tight end, half
back for a fullback whatever from Alabah, Bryce Cabildoo the
lineman from Kansas, Damian Martinez Miami, Mason Richmond who started
like forty games at left tackle at Iowa was a
(18:09):
seventh rounder, and then Ricky Wide the receiver from you
and Ov.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Yeah, that's a really good draft like cable Do is A.
He's a He's a player who I think is gonna
make this team and he'll end up being a He'll
be he'll end up being an NFL starter at some point.
Really tough, big, physical, he's play tackle, He's a natural guard.
He was a really good pick. Uh there when when
when they when the Seahawks got him. Milroe's interesting. I
(18:33):
think Milroe is a curious pick because I don't see
him as a full time starting quarterback in the future.
I just I don't think that. I don't think the
accuracy is just ever gonna fix. But you don't have
to have it fully fixed. As long as he's making
explosive plays with his legs, it's like a sliding scale,
like you can have him. He just needs to be
functional as a passer and explosive as a playmaker. The
(18:56):
problem is, when you want to win at the highest level,
you gotta be able to win a little bit better
from the pockets. Souf. I think I think this is
just Seattle saying let's get this incredibly explosive talent and athlete,
and let's get him in camp and let's see if
we can turn him into a quarterback. And if we can't,
we've got an athlete. We're gonna figure something else out.
Uh uh, something else with him? After after him? You mentioned,
(19:17):
let's see, before Milroe, who did you have? There's another
one I really liked in Miami. Yeah, I like Arroyo,
a field stretcher. I wasn't quite as high. I feel
like he's more of a third. But I'm the low man.
I'm the low man in all the draft on him.
Everyone else absolutely loves him. And I'm talking about teams everybody. Now.
He's had some injuries, so I don't know that he's
(19:38):
injury pro. He's just had injuries that have slowed him down.
So that was one of the things that I thought
early and early in the process this this year. He
wasn't playing as fast as he did by the end
of the year because he still had to get healthy.
So Arroyo, Milroe, and then the one after Milroe. I remember,
I liked who you had there.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Uh you want the less, I'll give you the less. Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Well, who was it right after? Right after mill Row?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
It was Riley Mills defensive tackle Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Give give me one more.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, Robby Robbie Alabama.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
All Right, So Horton is a fantastic Horton is a steel.
Horton's an absolute steel. This guy is going to be Hey,
Seattle's gonna love him, an absolute steel the same way,
you know, the the same way. Oh, who's the guy
you just lost Kansas State?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Lockett?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah, Lockett. I remember when Lockett came in, and I'm like,
they stole Lockett. Lockett was fantastic. Horton's going to be
a steal. Also, terrific player, really really impressed a football player.
I think he's gonna make a I think he's gonna
make I think he's going to start to factor early
on for Seattle. Riley Mills has an injury or he
(20:52):
would have gone even higher. He's he's you know, he's
coming back from a torn a cl This year maybe
a red shirt year for him. But I tell you what,
he is a problem on the interior. He can play
as a big end. He can play as a three
technique and play otter even front, so he can play,
you know, in either type of defensive scheme. And he
just plays really hard. And you see that number ninety nine,
(21:13):
you see his body type, you know you kind of
want to yet to guard against the JJ Watt stuff
just a little bit. And he's not JJ Watt, but
when you watch him play, he plays hard like what
JJ did coming out of Wisconsin. So there are you know,
I do see some similarities when JJ came out. Now
the player JJ Watt became was just a superhero. So
that's you know, it's a little bit different, the pro
(21:35):
version versus the college version. Robbie Oots. So when I
wrote him up, I finished watching him and I must
suspend probably fifteen minutes trying to figure out what I
wanted to say on this really what he is as
a fullback. They listen him as a tight end, because
I just he was so fun to watch, And I said,
you know, and I and in my draft profile and
(21:56):
you could google it and read it if you want.
I said, he's built live a doc worker who here's
I'll just tell you what he is. He's like a
dock worker with three kids, who's got a squat rack
in his in his in his garage, and he's just
out there and he just squats for fun. Like he's
a hard nosed, blue collar player. They played him at
(22:18):
tight end. He can get out in space, he didn't
test wealth combine, but I'm telling you he's way quicker
than you think he's gonna be. He will hit you
and hit you with some ferocity. He was the only
fullback that was going to be drafted. Well, I wasn't
sure he's going to be drafted, and I'm glad he
was because he's going to be a starting fullback out
of this class. And see that's what I I think
(22:38):
the Hawks for his many picks, I think eleven, right,
I think they had eleven picks they're gonna I mean
I can see nine of them making them, and that's
that's unheard of. I mean it's absolutely unheard of. But
everyone John Schneider was grabbing. I'm like, yeah, he's a
make a guy. Yeah, he's a make a guy. He's
a make a guy. So I thought, up and down
they they grab guys. To me, that weren't really reaches.
(23:00):
I didn't see any reaches on the board, to be
honest with you. Now, Finley Mills, they could probably could
have got him even later, and he may have fought,
but he deserved the tape, deserve he deserved to be
drafted inside the first you know, four or five rounds
so you know, you certainly understand that because John's drafting
the tape, he's not drafting the fact that you know
(23:20):
you're only gonna get three out of four years on him.
So I thought the draft class was terrific because it
was filled full of guys who are gonna make this roster.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
So Lance zerline with us. Let's circle back to your
comments about Jalen Milroe, because I think what you said
is you don't expect that he will ever have the
accuracy to be a serviceable starting quarterback equality starting quarterback,
And and if that's the case, is it worth it
for a third round? If he's just kind of a
(23:50):
gussied up Taysom Hill, like like just kind of amplify
your evaluation of Jalen Milroe.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Well, you know, I think what we have to do
is you got to step outside the box a little
bit with jaln Nolroe because I would argue that Taysom
Hill has been a really valuable member of the New
Orleans Saints. I mean, he can do a lot of things,
especially as you get close to scoring, when you're trying
to convert third downs, when you're getting close to the
end zone. He's been very, very valuable. I think he
(24:19):
can become a serviceable quarterback. But I mean, first of all,
we have to define serviceable, and number two, you're playing
to win championships. So I don't think he's a quarterback
that you start like. I don't think he's ever gonna
be Lamar Jackson. Lamar has gotten a lot better as
a passer. He was better coming out of college as
a passer than Norah. I've watched two seasons of Jalen
on tape. He really struggled this year with accuracy decision making.
(24:43):
I'm not sure that's going to change drastically. He has
an arm that can push it down the field, and
he can be explosive with his arm. He can be
really explosive with his legs. I just think right now
we're dealing with the player who the NFL really hasn't
seen a player like this at quarterback. You're talking about linebacker,
will linebacker, size, wide receiver, speed and explosiveness, and then
(25:05):
you know the ability as a runner, like a breakaway
running back in the open field, and it's in at
the quarterback position. The NFL's has never seen this. So
I think what Seattle's doing is saying, hey, let's draft
this freak daddy and let's see what we got. You know,
there was talk about him going in the first, and
I always thought that was preposterous. I thought he'd going
a second. Frankly, in third. I think it's pretty got
(25:28):
me because you've got a guy who does things that
no one else can do at that position. You just
got to figure out the best way to use him,
and maybe he ends up being a gadget guy. I'll
tell you this, third round quarterbacks are typically backups. That's
who they are and what they are. You tell me,
you give me a backup that runs a four three
forty I mean, and that you can put in situations
(25:49):
on third and short and fourth and short and you're
probably not gonna stop him from getting the first down.
I mean, it's tremendous value in today's NFL for that.
So I think it's I'm really interested to see al
Seattle used them. Did they bring them along slowly and
try to give him standard quarterback development? I wouldn't. I
get him on the field and put the ball in
his hands as quick day one, right, and figure it
(26:10):
out while I'm helping to groom in his quarterback I
want him on the field, help him because he's got
special athletic traits.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, he's not gonna be your number two or number
three quarterback and name only right, I mean having him
sitting on the bench holding a clipboard seems like a
waste of a third round pick. Yeah, But like you said,
I mean the last time the Hawks drafted a quarterback
in the third round, Lance, his name was was Russell Wilson,
and he wins seventy fifth overall. So look, I'm not
saying he's going to be Russell Wilson. I'm with you
(26:38):
on the arm. You and I are in lockstep on that.
But I do wonder Lance, explain to people when we
do see Jalen Milroe play. Do we see the Seahawks
institute the tush push. Do we see him run off guard.
Do we see him on fourth and inches with the
shotgun and the wildcat and just grab the ball and
(27:01):
get his ass right up the a gap behind center?
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Do we see Mike McDonald now on fourth and six
inches from his own thirty five yard line be aggressive
and bring this guy in the game and get that
first down and not punt the ball away. What does
reality look like on game day for Jalen Milroe starting
in week one.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Well, you may stick Rob Boots in there with him, right,
you know you drafted his fullback, so you may stick
him in there. And my guess is it's gonna be
direct snap power got him around the left side, the
right side. You don't want to you don't want to
run him in the a gap. All that off And
I mean this is he's got good size. He's not
Jalen Milroe, a six hundred pounds squad quarterback. I mean,
I'm sorry, Jalen hurts. Yeah, you know it's you want
(27:41):
to take advantage of his explosiveness. But remember he can
pass like you cannot just sell out to the power.
He can give you a little fake look and throw it.
So I think, you know, a really creative like a
Ben Johnson. I can only imagine what now the Chicago
head coach would do with a player like Jalen Milroe.
And I think what Seattle has to do is really
(28:02):
come up with packaged place because you can now use
him to counter. You can create counters off of his
power runs. You can show the run and then create
because he's a real quarterback, like he can throw it.
He's not the most accurate quarterback, but he's a quarterback.
This isn't a you know, this isn't a player who
played quarterback in high school, and so he can throw
it a little bit for trick plays. No, you have
(28:25):
to it's fourth and one. You have to factor in
that if he takes off running, he could also throw it.
You know, he could also throw to a wide receiver.
That's fakes, blocking and releases. Like There's a lot you
can do with a player like that, And that's why
I'm really interested to see. I'm excited to see what
Seattle's going to do with him.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Final minutes here with Lance Zuoline. Lance, I also want
to go back to what you said about Eliza Arroyo
and see where we may differ, because when I watch
the tape, I see a guy that moves, got a
lot of wide receiver. I don't know trades about his movement,
and I couldn't believe it was six' five and an
(29:04):
eighth and two. Fifty and then of course there's just the,
knee and then it got reinjured at The Senior bowl
and he couldn't do it the. Combine SO i think
that that's what dropped him to. Fifty you weren't as
high on. Him is that because of the tape or
are you just, saying, HEY i love the, tape BUT
i hate the injury kind of where are you on
a royal?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Now? Listen he was SOMEBODY i wrote In, december my
tape is running or, NO i wrote him In, november
my tape is running. Behind SO i watched him the
first six, games AND i wrote him off first six.
Games i'll just tell you right, now he, said, guy
BECAUSE i have to get. STARTED i got four hundred
and fifty players a, RIGHT i got to get. Started
and SO i got, started and BEFORE i got my
last tape, update which is a big, One i've seen
(29:46):
him in you, know five LIKE i, said five or six.
Games the problem, IS i think by the end of
the year he was moving much better and much. Faster
so the VERSION i saw at The Senior bowl was
a lot different than the version THAT i watched on.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Tape so that's there's the.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Difference that accounts for the difference is the version at
The Senior. Bowl the longer the play went, on the
harder he gets because he's got build up. Speed if
you give him a two and three level route kind
of cross country routes that cross the. Hashes you're gonna
have a really hard time gardener because he gets faster
and faster and. Faster and just like you, Said, hugh
(30:22):
he's got real wide receiver movements like he can really you,
know there's a lot of a lot of smoothness out
of his breaks that cause you, know linebackers to completely lose.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Coverage and the words Of Scott, farrell one of the
founding fathers of sports talk radio in this, COUNTRY i
cannot be the man because you're the.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Man all, Right, lance great.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Stuff, Man appreciate this and let's try and hook up
maybe over the.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Offseason, appreciated, Buddy.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah you Got thank you, Guys LANZERLINE nfl dot. COM
i want to come back and get you to kind
of react to what you heard From lance there The
Jalen milroe, Stuff, HUGH i think is, again what does
reality look like on On sunday when When Jalen milroe
finally hits the.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Field what does that look like to?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
You?
Speaker 1 (31:06):
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today he was in For Dick jackson's here, though we'll
be live AT dub tomorrow or the annual spring game
four quarter. Game it turns out tomorrow, night six thirty
is what time everything gets. Going, uh The shenanigans on
radio With tony And. Cameron we'll begin at six o'clock.
Tomorrow yours truly roam on the, sidelines so that should
(31:50):
be fun tomorrow. Night but we'll be on the air
at three. O'clock lots of guests coming, by INCLUDING i, Believe,
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Radio Leaves tomorrow was etf on the program starting at three.
O'clock next, segment, Though Gray zabel was introduced to The
Seahawk media today at three point, thirty we're gonna hear
(32:11):
a bit from the NEW i presume starting left guard
for Your Seattle. Seahawks and as soon as we Get
huback on, HERE i want to ask him the same
QUESTION i Asked zerline last, segment because, guys let's face,
it if you're going to take a guy in the third,
ROUND i don't care what position he's. Playing that's a
guy that is going to play right unless he is
going to be a potential starter at. Quarterback and you
(32:34):
have an old man who's in the final year of his,
deal and you want to groom the guy for a,
season you want to pull the you, KNOW i don't.
Know i'm trying to think of a third round quarterback
that could be looked at as an automatic starter down the,
road AND i don't know if any come to. MIND i,
mean you, know The Aaron rodgers And Jordan love And Green.
Bay those were first round, picks For god's. Sake so
(32:54):
you take a guy at ninety two in the third,
round and you're talking about a guy that's got to
play in do something for you right. Away And i'm
just really curious What Jalen milroe on game day will
look like for this football. TEAM i remember before The
Kansas City buffalo, Game jackson in THE Afc. Championship dick
AND i were having a conversation, About, hey how aggressive
(33:17):
Is buffalo gonna be if it's fourth and one from
their own thirty five yard. Line are they gonna Use
Josh allen to just get the foot and say the
hell with, it it's a free first. Out, Yeah and
good thing they didn't do that because they got stuffed to,
TON i, thought because they were running the wrong quarterback sneak.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
RIGHT i, mean there was no tush.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Push there was no pushing of any tushyat going on
in that game For. Buffalo but you, know that's WHAT
i think these guys can. DO i, mean how many
times were people yelling and screaming at THE tv When
Pete carroll was? Here, hey, man go for, it, dude
come on fourth and two inches from your own forty
five yard, line don't kick the ball, away go for.
It AND i think With Jalen, milroe my hope is
(33:58):
at least we can sit here and debate and criticize
the guy as a. PASSER i think it's, warranted but
the hope is that that is What Jalen milrow will
do for, them and all of a, sudden putting the
ball on fourth and six inches from your own forty
turns into a quarterback, sneak had a free first down
and The seahawks keep the.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Ball the sneaks are interesting because we saw more sneaks
last year with this. Offense AND i think the interesting
thing for me, is you know how we talked about
who is? It it made the comparison of Like Cam newton's
strength in somebody else's speed right, right where like if
you have that kind of a guy that mixes these,
two it's not as much of a sneak as you put.
Them you, know a couple of yards off the, line
(34:38):
and it's not even the you, know the tush push
Of Jalen. Hurts you get to kind of use The
Cam newton get a couple of yards a run.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Up but it all comes back to the, push.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
RIGHT i, mean that's why The eagles tush push worked
so well As Jason kelcey that offensive line gets such
a big.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Push.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Yeh so if you can Get Zabel we're gonna hear
from and everybody else to get that oomph up, forward
then it's gonna make it a lot easier For milroe
to get, one, two. Three WHAT i, mean whatever yards
you have to, get if you just feel the confidence
to put him back.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
THERE i just think What zerline said of Using Robbie
huts in that situation as a blocking back is a great.
Idea they played together At. Alabama you know they know
what they're all. About and, LOOK i mean sometimes the
opposite team knows what you're doing and it doesn't, matter,
Right AND i think that's what they have a potential
to do here With Jalen milroe as a, runner like
you Know Marshawn. Lynch, yeah getting the ball on short yarded.
(35:27):
Situations we know where he's going and we just we
can't stop. It he's too physical and The seahawk offensive
line was too good back in the. Day SO i
don't really care if the opposing team knows What i'm. Doing,
Right If gray Z abel is what he, is you,
know marketed to, be And Charles cross is deserving of
that fifth year, contract and Old willa With temmy is
(35:48):
really going to be your starting center for the next
four or five, seasons then who cares if the opposing
team knows what you're Doing When milroe comes into the,
game and you Know zerline's take on just running power
out a, shotgun, snap and just go, exactly just go,
Right just run over somebody, right run into a mother
f face Like marshan used to, say doesn't, matter just.
(36:08):
Go So i'm really, Hopeful, jackson that they can turn
some of that into reality and actually be a little
bit aggressive inside their own fifty uh maybe even instead
of settling for a fifty yard field, goal you just
go forward on fourth and one from their thirty, FIVE i,
think and their numbers go way up when it comes to.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Conversions so we'll see
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!