May 13, 2025 • 35 mins
In the first hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain react to news about Pete Rose now being eligible for the Hall of Fame, then sit down with former Mariners pitcher turned Yankees broadcaster Jeff Nelson at Jimmy’s On First before getting to Fun with Audio.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Where we go.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
We're at Jimmy's on first, got a lot to get to.
Jeff Nelson, the former Mariner and Yankee will join us,
by the way, coming up in about twenty minutes from
now on the radio show. Larry Stone's gonna be here
as well as he come by Jimmy's. By the way,
Jackson live in person at five o'clock to night. I
still hope, okay, good, because it's a great day to
have him on, whether on the phone or in person.
I want to know, is Larry Stone still a Hall
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of Fame voter? And will he vote for Pete Rose
and shoeless Joe Jackson if he were, Even if he's not,
we can ask him, if you were a Hall of
Fame voter, would you vote for those guys? I mean,
I look, I was asking Dick Off the air. I
don't know what the biggest story of the day is
in Seattle, I mean locally, look all of us. There's
always a sports story that transcends whatever city you live in.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
And the Pete Rose thing, for.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Decades has transcended every state, every city, every team, every
fan base. It doesn't matter. It's almost like, you know,
love is the universal language. By the way, Pete Rose
is the universal language among baseball fans. No matter what
city you're in, Chicago, Miami, La, New York, Philadelphia, Kansas City, whatever,
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in Saint Louis, there's always room at a bar somewhere
outside of baseball stadium to debate whether or not Pete.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Rose belongs to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So for me personally, Dick, I think that, to me
is the biggest story of the day. I can see
why a lot of people would be intrigued by this
Blazers thing and what a potentially means for the Seahawks.
Adam Silver spoke today and mentioned Seattle again as an
expansion target and talked about July for conversation, so obviously
people are drooling about that. But man, this is like
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a this is like a buffet of sports topics we
got here, pantacopia. And I think if we, you know,
we always think about when we do our brackets on Friday,
you know, what's a topical bracket to do, and the
most talked about sports show topics in sports talk show history, right,
that's the bracket. And I think the one seed is
probably whether Pete Rose should be in the Hall of
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fame or not, because especially for the first twenty years
of sports talk's history, talking about like late eighties to
early two thousands, that was it, right, Well, I agree
with you, man, and I was telling Jackson off the ear.
I talked to Pete Rose a couple times on this
radio station. Neither interview we have access to, which pisses
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me off. I've told you guys that for years that
you know. I don't mind patting ourselves on the back
when we do something pretty cool around here, but I
also want to criticize ourselves and rip ourselves and have
a little self deprecation. We have done a piss poor
job of saving interviews over the past thirty five whatever years.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Now.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Jackson will tell you it's been different since he showed up,
which is true. I will, but you weren't here when
I talked to Pete Rose, right.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I mean shockey, What are you doing? Ken Shaw?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
It's just look, man, I mean there's some different technology
mini disc or DAT tapes or whatever that we have
access to that if anybody has a mini disc player
or a DAT player or a CD player, we can
maybe pull something off of there. But conversations like that
it bums me out that I don't have those. To
be honest with you, you know, I mean back in
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the day, to be truthful, I would collect him in
case I had to send a resume to a different
radio station. And I've been here now thirty one years,
and those days are probably over. My next job is
probably not having a job. To be totally honest, your
next job shaved Ice and mauach.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
That's right. So he was.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
He was always, always, always, always adamant. And there was
nothing in the Dowd report that said otherwise. By the way,
about him betting against the Reds. He always bet the
Reds to win. And we could argue, you know, was
he telling the truth or not.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
That's fine.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
They did an investigation, you know, a third party investigation,
and they never found any evidence that Pete Rose bet
you know, against the Reds to lose. He always bet
with the Reds to win. And I don't have any
problem banning him from the game. I had no problem
banning him from the game from the get go. What
I had a problem with is not putting him in
the Hall of Fame. Look, if you don't want to
have Pete Rose hanging around other players and clubs, and
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things like that, and have access to information that he
would not be privy to unless he was an employee.
I totally understand that, because, let's face a dick up,
until a couple of years ago, betting on baseball was
a massive taboo. Massive taboo. Yeah right, And now it's
becoming more mainstream. You got you know, teams and clubs,
and the league is endorsing you know, sportsbooks and things
like that, so it feels like it's time to do it.
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But I've always also thought, and I'm curious what you think,
that when you don't put him in the Hall of Fame,
you are cherry picking what history of the game you
want to recognize and what you don't.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
I have never been a fan of having a vendetta
against someone for just the sake of having a vendetta
against something, and this is.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
A perfect example of that.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
This is Major League Baseball simply wanting to exact a
pound of flesh because they can exact a pound of flesh.
And I think it's been ridiculous for years and years.
Him betting on baseball had nothing to do with how
great a hitter he was, and getting into the Hall
of Fame should be based upon what you do on
the field as a player, and he was a first ballot,
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clear cut, one of the greatest hitters ever to play.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And I feel the same way about Roger Clemens. I
feel the same way about Barry Bonds.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Steroids or not, those guys are Hall of Fame players
if we want to if we want to mince words about, Okay,
where do steroids impact whether you should get into the Hall.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Of Fame or not?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Okay, it's it's those bubble guys, right, It's those bubble
guys that were in the Mitchell Report that Yeah, maybe
that extra ten or fifteen percent production that you may
have gotten for steroids would push you in. Then I'd
have an argument there, But not for the not for
the slam dunk guys like Rose and Clemens and Barry Bonds.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I just think again, for the there's a different argument there,
like those guys. Okay, I can tell you that I
think Roger Clemens was a Hall of Famer before he
started taking steroids. I think Barry Bonds was a Hall
of Famer before he started taking steroids. I don't think
Mark McGuire would have been a Hall of Famer without steroids.
And I don't think that Sammy Sosa would have been
a Hall of Famer without steroids. I do think Paul
Merrow would have been a Hall of Famer without steroids.
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So instead of just saying, hey, let's just paint everybody
the same brush, let's look at it on a case
by case basis, and I'll tell you whether or not
a guy belongs in the Hall of Fame. And again,
I mean, I don't have any problem banning a guy
that committed the ultimate sin, which was messing with the
integrity of the game.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
All Right, there's got.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
To be integrity to convince fans that what they're watching
is legit. I totally understand that, and I get that,
but I think that the Hall of Fame to me
is different. I mean, the baseball writers and what they
do should be different. And you want to ban these
guys from again partaking or taking part in whatever daily
you know, you know, chores or coaching job or media
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gig or whatever. Fine, But to not acknowledge what Pete
Rose did as a player is ludicrous. To not acknowledge
what Barry Bonds did as a player is ludicrous. You know,
put him in the Hall of Fame and on the
plot say most home runs ever, m VP's blah blah blah,
and then he was, you know, caught cheating whatever, just
whatever the history is, be honest about it, right, and
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they're they're not even honest about it because they just
choose to ignore it. So I've always been bothered by that.
But I think I think for me again, I think
this is.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
A big day for me Ajor League Baseball.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I wonder if they're going to vote him in though,
because in the end, the writers have shown that despite
these other guys being eligible, the steroid users being eligible,
they have no interest.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
In putting them in.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
You know, in the end, if the writers are given
the authority to make a decision on somebody, they're going
to exercise that power. And they've done that with Bonds
and Maguire and Clemens and so so I.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Think it may be different with Rose because Roses numbers
are clean, right, right, right, There is no ambiguity to
Pete Rose's numbers. They were earned, right, And so I
think the voters who are the anti steroid guy voters
and will never vote for the steroid guys, they may
turn a different eye to Pete Rose because everything he
did on the field as Charlie Hussele was legitimateh.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
No, I agree, I totally agree. But again, I mean
some people may say, no, he bet on baseball. I
want nothing to do with him.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Others may say, let him be on the ballot for
a couple of years and then we'll put him in
on the third ballot and not make him a first
ballot Hall of Famer. I think personally, if I were
a Hall of Fame voter and Pete rose was on
the ballot for the first time, I'm voting for him.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
He's the all time hit leader in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I mean, end of freaking story, right, I mean each
your row, combined Japan, combine the States, whatever, blah blah blah.
Nobody what is the what is the most important thing
that you need to do when you play the game
of baseball?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Hit the baseball?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
And nobody did it more times Jackson than Pete Rosie
belongs to the damn Hall of Fame of the first.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Ballot exactly, And I honestly maybe it's different generationally. As
a young person, like I never understood ever him not
being in the Hall of It. It just didn't make sense
to me. Kind of and I've always connected it to this.
NFL players faith play fantasy football. It's well documented and
it's you know, in interviews they're willing to say, Hey,
I have this guy on my team, I have myself
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on my team. Literally fantasy football. For those who don't know,
you put in money or you put something on the line,
and thus you are betting on football.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Are they banned from doing that? Though? Some players in
the NFL? No, guy. Do you see guys talking about this?
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Yeah, big time, Like in interviews, pregame and stuff. They'll say,
you know, I have this guy on my team and whatnot.
And people even said, I have my self on my team.
Thus you are betting on your game. How is there
any any difference between that and what Pete Rose? It's
never made sense to me, So of course he should
be in the Hall of Fame. If if we're gonna say
this about Pete Rose, then any player who plays fantasy
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baseball or fantasy football in their own league should be banned.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It's ridiculous, right, Well, here's the sad news, and Dick,
you hit it at this at the top of the
show that we're now down maybe the biggest go to
topic in.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
The history of sports talk radio.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
It's over now, well until he gets voted in. Now
the question is do you vote for you? That's right,
it's just a question.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
It just kind of it morphs, right, and now it's
back to the forefront, because it really kind of died off,
like it was a huge for those that didn't listen
to sports talk radio in its first ten or fifteen
years of infancy. It dominated discussion like it was the
number one sports national sports topic, and you could talk
about it twelve months out of year, three hundred and
sixty five days of the year if you wanted to.
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It's died off in the last ten or fifteen years.
This is just going to elevate it again to a
new level. Every single time on the vote comes.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Up, well, when's the vote? The vote is in? Isn't
it like January or something like that. When when did
Griffy get elected or Edgar get elected to the Hall
of Fame? I think it's in January. I think it's
I think it's early in the year Edgar Martinez was elected.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
What was the damn date on that Tebruary Right here?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
It is January twenty second, nineteen, So it's January Okay,
so we're eight months away right from knowing pretty much
whether or not Pete Rose is going to make the
Hall of fam He's got to be on the ballot,
right this time around, he'll be on the ballot. Shoeless
Joe Jackson will be on the ballot. So I think
it's going to be really intriguing. I don't know if
there's ever going to be a Hall of Fame ballot
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process that more people will pay attention to than this one.
For me, what our buddy Ryan Thibodeau, who tracks all
this stuff, mister timbbs, right, I mean, how much do
we lean on him during the Edgar thing and the
Griffy thing back in the day. So you better believe
that guy's Twitter account's about to be you know, get
some get some cre atintant Andrew Stein die own, Well.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Can I just give Major League Baseball the word to
the wise?
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Now you hate it and I agree with you with
how they do their MVP voting and stuff like that.
Way after the season ends, can we push the Hall
of Fame voting to mid to late February so people
are actually paying attention to the problem.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Is right smack in the middle of the NFL play.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Well, I mean, I guess you could do it a
month later, but you know, they they need to get
the guys as much time to get ready for the
ceremony and people to get ready for travel on all
that stuff. But I agree, you know, push it back
maybe another couple of weeks or I mean, you know,
do it on a day where like what what what
day was January twenty second, twenty nineteen. Can you guys
look that up real quick? Twenty nineteen? What the hell
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date was that was that? That had to be middle
of the week, right, tell me what day that was?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Right now?
Speaker 6 (11:41):
It was a Tuesday, Tuesday night.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Okay, so at least that makes sense him in a
football game or whatever, a Friday night high school game.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
But still the news talk shows and the sports talk
shows are still talking about the playoffs all day.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I mean I think that I don't have a real
problem with it, you know whatever, But I just think
this is going to be a process of voting process
that will have more eyeballs on it and more intrigue
on it than ever. And that show that they do
when they have the Hall of Fame show. What they
really might want to do is make that kind of
a primetime deal because they typically announced it like three
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thirty West Coast time on that day. I remember, we've
gone through this twice. Now with that, you're in Griffy
and you know we're watching the TV during the first
hour of the show. You know, do do it at
five o'clock, you know, go on to ESPN, make a
big deal about it, whatever, and you know, see if
you can make some money and get some eyeballs on
this thing. So anyway, Pete Rose is eligible for All
Hall of Fame, as is Shoeless Joe Jackson. That is
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the story of the day for Major League Baseball. The
other story of the day, obviously, is the Mariners just
getting their asses kicked the last four games.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
It's only been four games.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Biggest pump of the road so far for these guys,
but they have been absolutely hammered by the Blue Jays
and the Yankees in the last four games, outscored thirty
two to twelve. Emerson Hancock gets to droid last night.
The bullpen gets destroyed last night, and now today it's
Brian wu versus Max Fried, who came over from the
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braves and is not doing much just six and oh
with a one point five e r A and forty
seven k is in eleven walks. So I remember we
talked about this little nine game stretch with the Blue Jays,
Yankees and the Padres, and I asked you if you
would take four and five on this trip. Well, to
go four and five, you gotta win the next five
because they're ruin four. You gotta get yuh, you gotta
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win five in a row to go four and five
in five in a row, to go five and four
a right, four and five four?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Sorry? Yes, yes, they've they've got it.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
They got to go one and four sorry, and then
or five and oh to get five and four?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Correct? Well, your you got your ass is hard for me.
You've got your ace of the staff?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah? Hasn't Brian wu been the ace of your staff?
Speaker 4 (13:46):
I mean this guy in seven starts this season, he's
four and one three point two five e R and
he's gone six plus in all seven out and he
has been a horse, the guy that that struggled to get.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Through five plus.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
At times last year he'd get yanked early or he'd
have you know, he'd be banged up, he'd miss a start.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
He's been the horse for this team thus far this season.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well, and look, I mean it's partially because Gilbert and
Kirby have an out.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I get that, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I don't know if I want Brian Woo to be
my number one pitcher, you know whatever. I mean, if
he's that great, then that's great. But I always thought
that Logan Gilbert and George Kirby have the best stuff,
and they have cy young stuff, and they have you know,
all star stuff, you know, if you will all that.
But I mean, Tonight's game just I don't know, man,
it kind of feels like a pretty important game, you know,
just kind of for people's psyche.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And he can already hear.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Ah, here we go again. They're kind of doing exactly
what I told you they were gonna do. They suck
and you're stupid for buying it, right, And how much
of that stuff have you heard on social media in
the last twenty four hours? So, Horey Polocko not playing tonight, obviously,
he's out of the lineup so far, with Mitch Garver
at DH and Dylan Moore over at second base. All right,
we're gonna talk to Jeff Nelson coming up next segment.
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The former Mariner is scheduled to be here with us
that Jimmy's on first. We'll talk about this big news
coming out of Portland, how it affects the Seahawks potentially.
The NFL schedule comes out tomorrow, and I got it
right there. Aredis in front of your face. There's a schedule.
It's on my phone.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
You got the whole Seahawks schedule. I got it right
in front of my face. Question is how much of
it do you want to know?
Speaker 6 (15:16):
None?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Okay, you might want to take the rest of the
day off. We gotta break.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Jeff Nelson joins next on ninety three three KJRFM. Well,
Yankee legend, former Mariner legend, all around good guy, former
All Star in two thousand and one. Our friend Jeff
Nelson's with us here. He's in town with the Yankee
broadcast crew. Got I saw Boomer Assiasin was given Dave
Simms crap for takes time off already.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Did you see that?
Speaker 6 (15:42):
I didn't.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
I heard that he got on him a little bit
because he missed the you missed Sacramento.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
It's not really yes, yes, it's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
That's right, that's a smart movie. It's a veteran move.
Boomer's busting his balls. He's like, you just got here?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
What is this?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
What he should expect with the New York media.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
It's New York media and it's the talk shows.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
You gotta yes, you definitely have to expect that He's
been there before, he's worked in New York before. He's
he knows what's the deal, what the deal is?
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Well, it's great to see Jeff Nelson's here again. And
before we talk to some Yankee Mariners, how about the
news of the day in baseball where Pete Rose and
Shoeless Joe Jackson, both of them reinstated by Rob Manford,
who says their punishment ended when they died. Well, Shoeless
Joe Jackson died like seventy five years ago, Pete Pete
Rose died last year. So, as a former player, your
thoughts on whether or not both those guys should be
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in the Hall of I don't know.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
I think it's up to the I think it's it's
hard for me to comment only because you know what
he did and he bet on baseball and he was banned,
and you know a lot of a lot of good
players that didn't even bet on baseball. They don't get
in until they pass away. You know, that's the sad part.
You know, for instance, Lou Panella, you know, you hope
that he gets into the Hall of Fame before he
winds up passing away, because he's definitely a Hall of Famer. Yeah,
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So as far as Pete Rose, I don't, I don't know.
It's uh, it's it's gonna be interesting to see if
the committee votes him in. You know, it's it's hard
to comment on something that that, you know, what he
did was wrong and betting on your own team, betting
on baseball, nodding, not admitting it for a long time.
But now you know everybody, everybody bets Now, every every
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TV or broadcast is always promoting fan duel or another
another another betting site.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
So you know, why not, Well, what do you think
the writers are gonna do? Because SOFTI and I were
talking about it last segment. It's like it's different from
from the steroid era, because the steroid era that was
helping the numbers, right, Pete Rose was Charlie Hustle with
over four thousand hits before he ever bet on baseball.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
As a manager, so like it shouldn't it shouldn't impact
what he did on the field.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
No, I agree.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
I mean what he the numbers that he put up
on the field, it was the Hall of Fame, Hall
of Fame absolutely, So you know what he did off
the field, you know, that's that and even on the
field as a manager, that's what kept him out. But
his numbers as far as a player, absolutely a Hall
of famer.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Speaking of numbers, Aaron John, Wow, Aaron Boone was on
the radio show by the way, yesterday. We know his brother,
His brother was actually doing our radio show. Quit went
to the Rangers.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Everybody that works with me ends up quitting you quit, right,
bloom Quist quit SUSA got a job with the Rays.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Boone's got a job with the Rangers. So it's this
just amazing, man.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
But I asked Aaron about what kind of guy he is,
and it took him like a tenth of a second
to say, he's the best he's on.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
What kind of guy? What kind of player have you
observed behind the scenes, teammate? The whole thing.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
He's he's he's a superstar and probably one of the
best hitters and that we've seen in a long long time.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
He he's amazing with people. He's amazing with fans.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
He goes out of his way to talk to little kids,
you know, he he'll talk to everyone. As far as
the media, you don't see that very often. A lot
of a lot of the players now have no idea
who we are. You know, it's they have no idea
about the past. Right, you played before them.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I got news for you, power we're getting old.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Yeah, I knew the past. That's I knew who played
before me.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Way back in the sixties, in the fifties, you heard
of these players and you actually if you ran across
them in the street, you would actually know, Hey, you
know that's Mickey Manno or Joe Demontra, you would actually
know who they were. These guys nowadays have no idea,
But when he's a tremendous guy, he's he's an anomaly
that you don't find very often.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
It's not obviously on the field, but off the field,
he's the same way.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Interesting.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
You know, it was a good stretch where the Yankee
offense didn't really look like the Yankee offense. I mean,
like the whole second half of April into early May.
But in the last six games fifty six runs. They're
back to being the Yankees. So what is real what
we saw for about a three week stretch, or what
we've seen over the last week.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
Well, I mean, you look at you.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
They go to Sacramento and they score like twenty nine
runs in those three games. Because the ball is a
Triple A park, it's a PCL, It's the PCL all
over again. The ball just flies, the wind blows out,
you get it in the air and it's a homer
and they hit I think eight home runs there. I
mean it was twelve total between the two teams. You
go back to Tampa Bay when they played them at home,
they didn't score it all. They got to be two
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out of three, Tampa play, Tampa Bay plays well at
Yankee Stadium, and then all of a sudden, the Padre
is one of the best National League teams, come in
and they lose two out of three. I think I
think they're streaky. Uh you know, you look, they have
obviously a lot of power everyone around Judge. I think
Judge makes everyone better. I think if you run across,
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like tonight's matchup is gonna be a good matchup. Between
Freedo and Wu, I think if you run across the
pitch a good pitching staff, they might shut they might
shut these guys down, But as far as as far
as a mediocre staff, they're not. They're not going to
be able to shut these guys down. I mean, I
think even Hancock, as well as he had throw throws.
I think a twenty five year old kid, when you
get in trouble, you make one mistake, next thing you know,
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everything starts snowballing. And that's exactly what happened yesterday.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Well, Jeff Nelson's one of us working for the S
Network right doing some TV for the Yankees. Dave Simms
and Susan Waldman, I believe are doing the radio stuff
and you guys are doing the TV stuff, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I'm just curious about kind of what you think and
what you hear.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
The national narrative is regarding Julio Rodriguez, right, I mean,
two years ago we thought we had a superstar. They
give him this massive contract and I don't know where
he is now, but yesterday Dick and I looked it up.
He was a hunter and Nathan baseball and ops, which
is not where you need him to be. I mean,
he had a playoff his glove last night. Probably should
have made that play yesterday and centerfield did have the
home run obviously, But what's the perception.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Of this guy, like nationally, is he a star? Is
he not a star?
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Well, you have to be if in order to be
a star, you have to be a star almost a
whole part the whole season. Yeah, And he's a guy
that better is better in the second half than the
first half. And he's gotten off to a slow start
the last few years here in Seattle, and it really
he's a guy that can carry your offense. And when
you when you don't have that type of player, then
you're going to struggle offensively, and they've struggled here at
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Timo will Park.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
I think they see him as.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
I wouldn't say a superstar, probably a really good player
until he puts together a whole season, you know, because
he is a great talent.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
He just hasn't been able to put together a whole season,
which is more of a fluke Mariner team.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
The one we saw last year with unbelievable pitching right
particularly starting pitching and just horrendous offense are the one
we're seeing this year with above average offense and a
little bbove average pitching.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
Well, I think you're gonna get starters back. You're gonna
get Kirby and Gilbert back, So that'll definitely help the
starting rotation. The bullpens a little iffy besides Munos on
the back end, I think you probably could use some
help there. Offensively, I'd like the club, you know, I
think Edgar Martinez has done a great job. I think
once it starts getting a little bit warmer up here,
I think it you know, probably are in a division.
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I mean, I think the whole American League is a
week league. Right if you look at the National League,
the National League again, just like last year, is a
really strong league. The American League, I think you have
a handful of teams, maybe four or five teams that
are decent. Everybody else is. It's pretty weak, and I
think that helps out a team like the Mariners. You know,
Houston's mediocre. You look at Texas mediocre. You know, so
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Seattle can easily win this division. They get their starters back,
they can easily win the division because I think their
offense is a.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Little bit better than last year. Have you talked to
Dan Oh yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
I've talked to him twice. I mean when I was
here with the Marlins and I talked to him yesterday.
I was wondering because they hit so poorly here at
Team Obile. I mean, it's almost about fifty sixty point
difference between what they hit on the road, and I
was like, I don't remember our team having a hard
time hitting here.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Because you were awesome.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Yeah, well, he goes, we complained, he said, we complained.
We just adjusted a lot quicker than what they're doing now.
And it doesn't seem like Aaron Judge has a harm
time hitting here as well. So yeah, you know, I
don't understand it. You know, I don't understand why.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
You know, they used to be.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
Green that batter's eye, then they painted it black and
you know, deflecting the sun. So I don't know why
they have a hard the Mariners have a hard time
hitting at home. So if I get you're right. What
you said prior was the Mariners are.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
The best team in the West in your opinion, I
would think so.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
I mean, once they get their star, those two starters,
and they're still going to have one of the best
starting staffs in baseball, and definitely in the American League.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
I think they they probably should win the West.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
You know, let's see what they had, what happens during
the you know, trade deadline, and where they add if
they add.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
Uh, you know, Houston is going to be a decent team.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
I don't see them as as a stronger team than Seattle,
and I don't see Texas as a stronger team than Seattle. Yeah,
you know, now Seger just went on the IL, so
you know they're going to have They're going to have
their issues. But I think it's all about the pitching
and once you get those guys back, because I think
the offense is a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Mariners are hitting two fifteen at home, which is second
worst in Major.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
League Baseball, like two sixty nine seventy number two in baseball. Exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
They go from the second worst to second best. It's
our lot in life, Nelly, to deal with it every year.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
No.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I mean, you pitched here, obviously, and it was different
back then when you got nine All Stars. Doesn't matter
what stadium you play. But did you notice when hitters
came here or when you pitched here that you had
an advantage?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
No?
Speaker 7 (24:59):
I mean we always as a pitch, sure, you should
always think you have advantage anyway. But I think that
it's just different baseball, you know, and now it's analytically driven.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
You see a lot of a lot of lift on guys.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
You don't see many guys that get on top of
the baseball and hitline drives. You look at the big
swings with two strikes, you know that never used to be.
Guys used to shorten up. Perfect example, Brett Boone. I
mean he gets O two, he shortens up his swing,
and he still has tons of power the other way, right,
you know that's what happened. Eggar Martinez the same thing
O two, He had tons of power the other way.
These guys are swinging as hard as they can still
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with two strikes, and that's just not going to work.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So the ninety five team needs their due. I get
a little bit tired of it being the only thing
that we recognize around here. Now we have the twenty
twenty two team obviously to kind of break that streak.
But that's thirty years ago, in seven months, you know,
this October thirty years ago. Yeah, how often do you
guys talk? How often do you guys like you know,
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get together? And I assume there's gonna be some kind
of reunion coming up in October thirty years ago.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
The Mariners will market the heck out of it. There's
still a question about that.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
You think it's you know, when we you're you're proud
to be a part of two great years and one
and then ninety five, and I think we talk a
bit a little bit more about it when I'm doing
Yankee stuff, because they want to always bring that back up,
like I can't believe, you know, the the atmosphere and
the Yankee locker room when we beat them in the Kingdome,
they were up to oh they came out here and
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they lost. I think that that's more brought up than
than you know, some of the Mariners stuff. You know,
I see Jay every once in a while. Day Valley, yeah, uh,
you know, he wasn't on that team, but still he
was around Rick Riz obviously, you know, calling the games
back then.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
But it's always a special time, you know.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
I just can't believe that this organization is the only
organization has never been to the World Series.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
It's amazing. I do want to ask you one more
because you mentioned lou how's he doing?
Speaker 7 (26:59):
You know, I heard he's you know, he's gone through
some health health issues. I think he's doing okay now.
He went over to Europe or Turkey to try to
get some experimental medicine done. But I think he belongs
in the Hall of Fame. He's supposed to. I think
he was at the Old Timers Day last year. I
saw him and I couldn't talk to him good. I
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think he's going to go again this year, and he's
a You know, him and Joe Tory the best managers
I've ever played for. Lou I still miss We still
tell stories because the one interesting thing was like, who
was he? Who was the force? We talked about it
last day. Who was the force in the locker room
in ninety five? And I'm like, well, it was a junior,
was it Jay?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Was it?
Speaker 6 (27:38):
Was it Edgar or Randy? I'm like, no, it's Lou, right,
Lou was the force. I mean he was. He was
the guy in there. So I think he belongs. It's
a shame. I think he came up what one vote
short last year the year before he deserved to be
in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
All right, well, just do me a favorite little love
for your buddy Softie and Dick on the S Network tonight.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah right, and give out the website. Ninety three three kJ.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
Good to see you man, you guys too.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Jeff Nelson with us on the radio show.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
We're gonna break a little fun with audio next on
ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
It's now time for something in Dick's Fun with Audio.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Jimmy g pawn Star, Jimmy mister garoppolo.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Now let's have some fun with audio. All right, here
we going.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
I'm busy Tuesday night from Jimmy Design first, getting ready
for the Madden News against the Yankees coming up tonight
with Brian woo versus Max Freed on the mound. Right now,
the little Fun with audio slash.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Hey did you hear that? Hey, Dick, did you happen
to hear that? What's that?
Speaker 6 (28:33):
Dick?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
We start with Bill Belichick joining Sports Center. The Bill
Belichick Tour is underway, The public relations tour is underway.
This morning during acc spring meetings, and was asked about
his girlfriend Jordan Hudson and how creepy it is he's
dating somebody no and her impact on the North Carolina
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football program.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
I know that you're aware that your relationship with Jordan
Hudson has been a headline over the last few months.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
How do you think that that impacts your ability to
coach this football team if at all.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
Yeah, I mean that's you know, really off to the side.
It's a personal relationship and she doesn't have anything to
do with UNC football. I'm excited to be back in
the coaches meetings and getting ready for you know, June,
and then August when we get the training camp. Sojun
will be a big recruiting month for us, and then
August we'll start getting ready for the season.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I think those are That is the most words I've
ever heard Bill Belichick say consecutively.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Since he's been coaching, except when he was on college game.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Honestly, I mean, that is amazing. See, I thought he
would be asked about Jordan Hudson.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
He would say, you know, I'm on to Cincinnati, nothing
going on there.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Well, he just blatantly he just blatantly lied. He said
she has nothing to do with North Carolina football.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
There's a lot of video that otherwise there was. I mean,
I assume that there's a chance that may have changed.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I mean, there was like a week a half ago,
but yeah, I mean, it's uh when the number one
story about your football team is the coach and his
creepy relationship with his girlfriend. Man, I don't know if
I'd like that if I were in North Carolina, but
i'd with Linda Cohene said yesterday on Twitter, because I've
been kind of thinking the same thing that they.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Would not if you could find me.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Odds on Bill Belichick never coaching a game at North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I put a few bucks on it June first, right.
I think he did the whole thing. Remember when the
day of the.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Contract came out, we were at five forty barn and
Grow the day of the contract was like, WHOA, there's
a chance he may ever coached.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
He did this for one reason, to give it his
job to his son. But how do we know his
son's going to get the job?
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Why else would he be there? Honestly? Do you think so?
Speaker 4 (30:42):
You think there is a clause in his contract that is,
I will sign this contract if you guarantee my son
as my success.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I don't think it's a clause because that would have
come out by now. If it was public record, that
would have come out by now. But I guarantee you
it was highly implied that his son was going to
get the job. When Dick Bennett took the Wazoo job,
didn't he take it so Tony could be the next coach?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah? Isn't that why he took that? Tony Bennett also
has a pulse in a personality.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Okay, right, but again he's a Belichick. Maybe the Carolina
is just so smitten with Bill that they would go
for it. But I mean you're asking me, I'm telling
you that it's happened before. I don't know if that
was in Dick Bennett's contract. Do you remember that being
his coach? I don't remember whether Tony gets the gig.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I mean, it's just you know, I mean, like, Dick,
what do you think. I do think we thought it.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
I do think we thought it was coaching waiting situation
though from the very get go, and I have not
heard that at all from North Carol.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Maybe all right, ay, Dick, did you happen to hear that?
What's that?
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Dick?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
After the Mavericks won the NBA Draft lottery yesterday, Colin
Cowhard responding to the national narrative that the lottery is fixed.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Well, you're seeing it all over America. A lack of
trust in institutions. It could be the FBI, the CIA,
it could be the media, it could be.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
The White House.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
The default explanation in America in twenty twenty five, when
you are ticked off or you can't explaining something or
something doesn't go your way, it's rigged. Yeah, I've got
video of Dallas's draft room last night, draft lottery room.
You're gonna get twelve guys to act like this for
thirty seconds. There aren't this many good actors in Hollywood
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that would do that. Yeah, it's fixed. It is fixed,
fixed so that the worst tanking teams don't win the lottery. Yes,
it is fixed. Essentially, the draft lottery now is like
the local raffle at your tavern where you got fifteen
twenty people. It's a raffle, and sometimes the same guy
wins two out of four raffles.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Well, it's like a rolette table, right, I mean, sooner
or later it's gonna come up green and uh double zeros.
And I mean if we keep doing this every year
for one hundred and fifty years, right, the numbers may
play out that the highest percentage teams will get the
number one pick.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
The majority of the time. But I can see why fans.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
It's just such a coincidence, right that the Mavericks send
Luka Doncicz to the l Lakers and they get Cooper
Flag almost like a little something for their service to
help out the Lakers and help them make the NBA Finals,
which they did not because they lost in the first round.
But there's always gonna be conspiracy theories, right, They're never
ever ever going away. I think they're kind of good
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for the sport. They get people engaged.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Yeah, I mean the only time, the very first one,
Patrick Ewing frozen envelope New York.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
If there was ever a conspiracy theory, that would have
been the one. Well how do you do it?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Though, Like, honestly, because you've got is is delight involved
in this thing, the draft lottery, like who's the beef?
So you would have to get a respected accounting firm
to go along with it and put their integrity on
the line, probably dozens of employees to go.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Along with it.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
It's erst and young to go along with it. I mean,
when you start parsing it out, it starts to sound
a little ridiculous, of.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Course, but people love I mean people love to knee
jerk conspiracy, conspiracy, rigged rig It's a fun story, very fun.
It was fun to see all the people pissed off online,
but I don't think any of them would bet their
life that it actually was fit.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I think we should start a text threat here, or
a text line topic for textimonials.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
What's your conspiracy theory about this radio station? Do you
have one?
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Like?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Who hates who the most?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Behind the scenes, who can't stand who the most behind
the scenes, who's dating who?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Who's dating? Who stole from who? Who makes more money
than who?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Come on, give us your I want to know your
KJR conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Okay, yes, give it. I mean this guy. People talk
about this station all the time.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
You know, I heard you.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Okay, what do you know? You don't know anything.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
It's amazing. I'm a stupid crap I hear from it.
It's also amazing you know what's happening behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Well, unfortunately, it's also amazing how boring the behind the
scenes is.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I want to hear KJR conspiracy theories? Jackson four nine,
four or five one? All right, we're gonna break. John
Wilner is gonna join next on ninety three to three KJRFM,
Where we go.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
We're at Jimmy's on first, got a lot to get to.
Jeff Nelson, the former Mariner and Yankee will join us,
by the way, coming up in about twenty minutes from
now on the radio show. Larry Stone's gonna be here
as well as he come by Jimmy's. By the way,
Jackson live in person at five o'clock to night. I
still hope, okay, good, because it's a great day to
have him on, whether on the phone or in person.
I want to know, is Larry Stone still a Hall
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of Fame voter? And will he vote for Pete Rose
and shoeless Joe Jackson if he were, Even if he's not,
we can ask him, if you were a Hall of
Fame voter, would you vote for those guys? I mean,
I look, I was asking Dick Off the air. I
don't know what the biggest story of the day is
in Seattle, I mean locally, look all of us. There's
always a sports story that transcends whatever city you live in.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
And the Pete Rose thing, for.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Decades has transcended every state, every city, every team, every
fan base. It doesn't matter. It's almost like, you know,
love is the universal language. By the way, Pete Rose
is the universal language among baseball fans. No matter what
city you're in, Chicago, Miami, La, New York, Philadelphia, Kansas City, whatever,
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in Saint Louis, there's always room at a bar somewhere
outside of baseball stadium to debate whether or not Pete.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Rose belongs to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So for me personally, Dick, I think that, to me
is the biggest story of the day. I can see
why a lot of people would be intrigued by this
Blazers thing and what a potentially means for the Seahawks.
Adam Silver spoke today and mentioned Seattle again as an
expansion target and talked about July for conversation, so obviously
people are drooling about that. But man, this is like
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a this is like a buffet of sports topics we
got here, pantacopia. And I think if we, you know,
we always think about when we do our brackets on Friday,
you know, what's a topical bracket to do, and the
most talked about sports show topics in sports talk show history, right,
that's the bracket. And I think the one seed is
probably whether Pete Rose should be in the Hall of
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fame or not, because especially for the first twenty years
of sports talk's history, talking about like late eighties to
early two thousands, that was it, right, Well, I agree
with you, man, and I was telling Jackson off the ear.
I talked to Pete Rose a couple times on this
radio station. Neither interview we have access to, which pisses
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me off. I've told you guys that for years that
you know. I don't mind patting ourselves on the back
when we do something pretty cool around here, but I
also want to criticize ourselves and rip ourselves and have
a little self deprecation. We have done a piss poor
job of saving interviews over the past thirty five whatever years.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Now.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Jackson will tell you it's been different since he showed up,
which is true. I will, but you weren't here when
I talked to Pete Rose, right.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I mean shockey, What are you doing? Ken Shaw?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
It's just look, man, I mean there's some different technology
mini disc or DAT tapes or whatever that we have
access to that if anybody has a mini disc player
or a DAT player or a CD player, we can
maybe pull something off of there. But conversations like that
it bums me out that I don't have those. To
be honest with you, you know, I mean back in
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the day, to be truthful, I would collect him in
case I had to send a resume to a different
radio station. And I've been here now thirty one years,
and those days are probably over. My next job is
probably not having a job. To be totally honest, your
next job shaved Ice and mauach.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
That's right. So he was.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
He was always, always, always, always adamant. And there was
nothing in the Dowd report that said otherwise. By the way,
about him betting against the Reds. He always bet the
Reds to win. And we could argue, you know, was
he telling the truth or not.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
That's fine.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
They did an investigation, you know, a third party investigation,
and they never found any evidence that Pete Rose bet
you know, against the Reds to lose. He always bet
with the Reds to win. And I don't have any
problem banning him from the game. I had no problem
banning him from the game from the get go. What
I had a problem with is not putting him in
the Hall of Fame. Look, if you don't want to
have Pete Rose hanging around other players and clubs, and
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things like that, and have access to information that he
would not be privy to unless he was an employee.
I totally understand that, because, let's face a dick up,
until a couple of years ago, betting on baseball was
a massive taboo. Massive taboo. Yeah right, And now it's
becoming more mainstream. You got you know, teams and clubs,
and the league is endorsing you know, sportsbooks and things
like that, so it feels like it's time to do it.
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But I've always also thought, and I'm curious what you think,
that when you don't put him in the Hall of Fame,
you are cherry picking what history of the game you
want to recognize and what you don't.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
I have never been a fan of having a vendetta
against someone for just the sake of having a vendetta
against something, and this is.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
A perfect example of that.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
This is Major League Baseball simply wanting to exact a
pound of flesh because they can exact a pound of flesh.
And I think it's been ridiculous for years and years.
Him betting on baseball had nothing to do with how
great a hitter he was, and getting into the Hall
of Fame should be based upon what you do on
the field as a player, and he was a first ballot,
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clear cut, one of the greatest hitters ever to play.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And I feel the same way about Roger Clemens. I
feel the same way about Barry Bonds.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Steroids or not, those guys are Hall of Fame players
if we want to if we want to mince words about, Okay,
where do steroids impact whether you should get into the Hall.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Of Fame or not?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Okay, it's it's those bubble guys, right, It's those bubble
guys that were in the Mitchell Report that Yeah, maybe
that extra ten or fifteen percent production that you may
have gotten for steroids would push you in. Then I'd
have an argument there, But not for the not for
the slam dunk guys like Rose and Clemens and Barry Bonds.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I just think again, for the there's a different argument there,
like those guys. Okay, I can tell you that I
think Roger Clemens was a Hall of Famer before he
started taking steroids. I think Barry Bonds was a Hall
of Famer before he started taking steroids. I don't think
Mark McGuire would have been a Hall of Famer without steroids.
And I don't think that Sammy Sosa would have been
a Hall of Famer without steroids. I do think Paul
Merrow would have been a Hall of Famer without steroids.
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So instead of just saying, hey, let's just paint everybody
the same brush, let's look at it on a case
by case basis, and I'll tell you whether or not
a guy belongs in the Hall of Fame. And again,
I mean, I don't have any problem banning a guy
that committed the ultimate sin, which was messing with the
integrity of the game.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
All Right, there's got.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
To be integrity to convince fans that what they're watching
is legit. I totally understand that, and I get that,
but I think that the Hall of Fame to me
is different. I mean, the baseball writers and what they
do should be different. And you want to ban these
guys from again partaking or taking part in whatever daily
you know, you know, chores or coaching job or media
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gig or whatever. Fine, But to not acknowledge what Pete
Rose did as a player is ludicrous. To not acknowledge
what Barry Bonds did as a player is ludicrous. You know,
put him in the Hall of Fame and on the
plot say most home runs ever, m VP's blah blah blah,
and then he was, you know, caught cheating whatever, just
whatever the history is, be honest about it, right, and
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they're they're not even honest about it because they just
choose to ignore it. So I've always been bothered by that.
But I think I think for me again, I think
this is.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
A big day for me Ajor League Baseball.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I wonder if they're going to vote him in though,
because in the end, the writers have shown that despite
these other guys being eligible, the steroid users being eligible,
they have no interest.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
In putting them in.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
You know, in the end, if the writers are given
the authority to make a decision on somebody, they're going
to exercise that power. And they've done that with Bonds
and Maguire and Clemens and so so I.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Think it may be different with Rose because Roses numbers
are clean, right, right, right, There is no ambiguity to
Pete Rose's numbers. They were earned, right, And so I
think the voters who are the anti steroid guy voters
and will never vote for the steroid guys, they may
turn a different eye to Pete Rose because everything he
did on the field as Charlie Hussele was legitimateh.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
No, I agree, I totally agree. But again, I mean
some people may say, no, he bet on baseball. I
want nothing to do with him.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Others may say, let him be on the ballot for
a couple of years and then we'll put him in
on the third ballot and not make him a first
ballot Hall of Famer. I think personally, if I were
a Hall of Fame voter and Pete rose was on
the ballot for the first time, I'm voting for him.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
He's the all time hit leader in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I mean, end of freaking story, right, I mean each
your row, combined Japan, combine the States, whatever, blah blah blah.
Nobody what is the what is the most important thing
that you need to do when you play the game
of baseball?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Hit the baseball?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
And nobody did it more times Jackson than Pete Rosie
belongs to the damn Hall of Fame of the first.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Ballot exactly, And I honestly maybe it's different generationally. As
a young person, like I never understood ever him not
being in the Hall of It. It just didn't make sense
to me. Kind of and I've always connected it to this.
NFL players faith play fantasy football. It's well documented and
it's you know, in interviews they're willing to say, Hey,
I have this guy on my team, I have myself
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on my team. Literally fantasy football. For those who don't know,
you put in money or you put something on the line,
and thus you are betting on football.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Are they banned from doing that? Though? Some players in
the NFL? No, guy. Do you see guys talking about this?
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Yeah, big time, Like in interviews, pregame and stuff. They'll say,
you know, I have this guy on my team and whatnot.
And people even said, I have my self on my team.
Thus you are betting on your game. How is there
any any difference between that and what Pete Rose? It's
never made sense to me, So of course he should
be in the Hall of Fame. If if we're gonna say
this about Pete Rose, then any player who plays fantasy
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baseball or fantasy football in their own league should be banned.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It's ridiculous, right, Well, here's the sad news, and Dick,
you hit it at this at the top of the
show that we're now down maybe the biggest go to
topic in.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
The history of sports talk radio.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
It's over now, well until he gets voted in. Now
the question is do you vote for you? That's right,
it's just a question.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
It just kind of it morphs, right, and now it's
back to the forefront, because it really kind of died off,
like it was a huge for those that didn't listen
to sports talk radio in its first ten or fifteen
years of infancy. It dominated discussion like it was the
number one sports national sports topic, and you could talk
about it twelve months out of year, three hundred and
sixty five days of the year if you wanted to.
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It's died off in the last ten or fifteen years.
This is just going to elevate it again to a
new level. Every single time on the vote comes.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Up, well, when's the vote? The vote is in? Isn't
it like January or something like that. When when did
Griffy get elected or Edgar get elected to the Hall
of Fame? I think it's in January. I think it's
I think it's early in the year Edgar Martinez was elected.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
What was the damn date on that Tebruary Right here?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
It is January twenty second, nineteen, So it's January Okay,
so we're eight months away right from knowing pretty much
whether or not Pete Rose is going to make the
Hall of fam He's got to be on the ballot,
right this time around, he'll be on the ballot. Shoeless
Joe Jackson will be on the ballot. So I think
it's going to be really intriguing. I don't know if
there's ever going to be a Hall of Fame ballot
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process that more people will pay attention to than this one.
For me, what our buddy Ryan Thibodeau, who tracks all
this stuff, mister timbbs, right, I mean, how much do
we lean on him during the Edgar thing and the
Griffy thing back in the day. So you better believe
that guy's Twitter account's about to be you know, get
some get some cre atintant Andrew Stein die own, Well.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Can I just give Major League Baseball the word to
the wise?
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Now you hate it and I agree with you with
how they do their MVP voting and stuff like that.
Way after the season ends, can we push the Hall
of Fame voting to mid to late February so people
are actually paying attention to the problem.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Is right smack in the middle of the NFL play.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Well, I mean, I guess you could do it a
month later, but you know, they they need to get
the guys as much time to get ready for the
ceremony and people to get ready for travel on all
that stuff. But I agree, you know, push it back
maybe another couple of weeks or I mean, you know,
do it on a day where like what what what
day was January twenty second, twenty nineteen. Can you guys
look that up real quick? Twenty nineteen? What the hell
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date was that was that? That had to be middle
of the week, right, tell me what day that was?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Right now?
Speaker 6 (11:41):
It was a Tuesday, Tuesday night.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Okay, so at least that makes sense him in a
football game or whatever, a Friday night high school game.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
But still the news talk shows and the sports talk
shows are still talking about the playoffs all day.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I mean I think that I don't have a real
problem with it, you know whatever, But I just think
this is going to be a process of voting process
that will have more eyeballs on it and more intrigue
on it than ever. And that show that they do
when they have the Hall of Fame show. What they
really might want to do is make that kind of
a primetime deal because they typically announced it like three
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thirty West Coast time on that day. I remember, we've
gone through this twice. Now with that, you're in Griffy
and you know we're watching the TV during the first
hour of the show. You know, do do it at
five o'clock, you know, go on to ESPN, make a
big deal about it, whatever, and you know, see if
you can make some money and get some eyeballs on
this thing. So anyway, Pete Rose is eligible for All
Hall of Fame, as is Shoeless Joe Jackson. That is
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the story of the day for Major League Baseball. The
other story of the day, obviously, is the Mariners just
getting their asses kicked the last four games.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
It's only been four games.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Biggest pump of the road so far for these guys,
but they have been absolutely hammered by the Blue Jays
and the Yankees in the last four games, outscored thirty
two to twelve. Emerson Hancock gets to droid last night.
The bullpen gets destroyed last night, and now today it's
Brian wu versus Max Fried, who came over from the
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braves and is not doing much just six and oh
with a one point five e r A and forty
seven k is in eleven walks. So I remember we
talked about this little nine game stretch with the Blue Jays,
Yankees and the Padres, and I asked you if you
would take four and five on this trip. Well, to
go four and five, you gotta win the next five
because they're ruin four. You gotta get yuh, you gotta
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win five in a row to go four and five
in five in a row, to go five and four
a right, four and five four?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Sorry? Yes, yes, they've they've got it.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
They got to go one and four sorry, and then
or five and oh to get five and four?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Correct? Well, your you got your ass is hard for me.
You've got your ace of the staff?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah? Hasn't Brian wu been the ace of your staff?
Speaker 4 (13:46):
I mean this guy in seven starts this season, he's
four and one three point two five e R and
he's gone six plus in all seven out and he
has been a horse, the guy that that struggled to get.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Through five plus.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
At times last year he'd get yanked early or he'd
have you know, he'd be banged up, he'd miss a start.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
He's been the horse for this team thus far this season.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well, and look, I mean it's partially because Gilbert and
Kirby have an out.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I get that, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I don't know if I want Brian Woo to be
my number one pitcher, you know whatever. I mean, if
he's that great, then that's great. But I always thought
that Logan Gilbert and George Kirby have the best stuff,
and they have cy young stuff, and they have you know,
all star stuff, you know, if you will all that.
But I mean, Tonight's game just I don't know, man,
it kind of feels like a pretty important game, you know,
just kind of for people's psyche.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And he can already hear.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Ah, here we go again. They're kind of doing exactly
what I told you they were gonna do. They suck
and you're stupid for buying it, right, And how much
of that stuff have you heard on social media in
the last twenty four hours? So, Horey Polocko not playing tonight, obviously,
he's out of the lineup so far, with Mitch Garver
at DH and Dylan Moore over at second base. All right,
we're gonna talk to Jeff Nelson coming up next segment.
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The former Mariner is scheduled to be here with us
that Jimmy's on first. We'll talk about this big news
coming out of Portland, how it affects the Seahawks potentially.
The NFL schedule comes out tomorrow, and I got it
right there. Aredis in front of your face. There's a schedule.
It's on my phone.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
You got the whole Seahawks schedule. I got it right
in front of my face. Question is how much of
it do you want to know?
Speaker 6 (15:16):
None?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Okay, you might want to take the rest of the
day off. We gotta break.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Jeff Nelson joins next on ninety three three KJRFM. Well,
Yankee legend, former Mariner legend, all around good guy, former
All Star in two thousand and one. Our friend Jeff
Nelson's with us here. He's in town with the Yankee
broadcast crew. Got I saw Boomer Assiasin was given Dave
Simms crap for takes time off already.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Did you see that?
Speaker 6 (15:42):
I didn't.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
I heard that he got on him a little bit
because he missed the you missed Sacramento.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
It's not really yes, yes, it's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
That's right, that's a smart movie. It's a veteran move.
Boomer's busting his balls. He's like, you just got here?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
What is this?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
What he should expect with the New York media.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
It's New York media and it's the talk shows.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
You gotta yes, you definitely have to expect that He's
been there before, he's worked in New York before. He's
he knows what's the deal, what the deal is?
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Well, it's great to see Jeff Nelson's here again. And
before we talk to some Yankee Mariners, how about the
news of the day in baseball where Pete Rose and
Shoeless Joe Jackson, both of them reinstated by Rob Manford,
who says their punishment ended when they died. Well, Shoeless
Joe Jackson died like seventy five years ago, Pete Pete
Rose died last year. So, as a former player, your
thoughts on whether or not both those guys should be
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in the Hall of I don't know.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
I think it's up to the I think it's it's
hard for me to comment only because you know what
he did and he bet on baseball and he was banned,
and you know a lot of a lot of good
players that didn't even bet on baseball. They don't get
in until they pass away. You know, that's the sad part.
You know, for instance, Lou Panella, you know, you hope
that he gets into the Hall of Fame before he
winds up passing away, because he's definitely a Hall of Famer. Yeah,
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So as far as Pete Rose, I don't, I don't know.
It's uh, it's it's gonna be interesting to see if
the committee votes him in. You know, it's it's hard
to comment on something that that, you know, what he
did was wrong and betting on your own team, betting
on baseball, nodding, not admitting it for a long time.
But now you know everybody, everybody bets Now, every every
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TV or broadcast is always promoting fan duel or another
another another betting site.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
So you know, why not, Well, what do you think
the writers are gonna do? Because SOFTI and I were
talking about it last segment. It's like it's different from
from the steroid era, because the steroid era that was
helping the numbers, right, Pete Rose was Charlie Hustle with
over four thousand hits before he ever bet on baseball.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
As a manager, so like it shouldn't it shouldn't impact
what he did on the field.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
No, I agree.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
I mean what he the numbers that he put up
on the field, it was the Hall of Fame, Hall
of Fame absolutely, So you know what he did off
the field, you know, that's that and even on the
field as a manager, that's what kept him out. But
his numbers as far as a player, absolutely a Hall
of famer.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Speaking of numbers, Aaron John, Wow, Aaron Boone was on
the radio show by the way, yesterday. We know his brother,
His brother was actually doing our radio show. Quit went
to the Rangers.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Everybody that works with me ends up quitting you quit, right,
bloom Quist quit SUSA got a job with the Rays.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Boone's got a job with the Rangers. So it's this
just amazing, man.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
But I asked Aaron about what kind of guy he is,
and it took him like a tenth of a second
to say, he's the best he's on.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
What kind of guy? What kind of player have you
observed behind the scenes, teammate? The whole thing.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
He's he's he's a superstar and probably one of the
best hitters and that we've seen in a long long time.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
He he's amazing with people. He's amazing with fans.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
He goes out of his way to talk to little kids,
you know, he he'll talk to everyone. As far as
the media, you don't see that very often. A lot
of a lot of the players now have no idea
who we are. You know, it's they have no idea
about the past. Right, you played before them.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I got news for you, power we're getting old.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Yeah, I knew the past. That's I knew who played
before me.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Way back in the sixties, in the fifties, you heard
of these players and you actually if you ran across
them in the street, you would actually know, Hey, you
know that's Mickey Manno or Joe Demontra, you would actually
know who they were. These guys nowadays have no idea,
But when he's a tremendous guy, he's he's an anomaly
that you don't find very often.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
It's not obviously on the field, but off the field,
he's the same way.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Interesting.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
You know, it was a good stretch where the Yankee
offense didn't really look like the Yankee offense. I mean,
like the whole second half of April into early May.
But in the last six games fifty six runs. They're
back to being the Yankees. So what is real what
we saw for about a three week stretch, or what
we've seen over the last week.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
Well, I mean, you look at you.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
They go to Sacramento and they score like twenty nine
runs in those three games. Because the ball is a
Triple A park, it's a PCL, It's the PCL all
over again. The ball just flies, the wind blows out,
you get it in the air and it's a homer
and they hit I think eight home runs there. I
mean it was twelve total between the two teams. You
go back to Tampa Bay when they played them at home,
they didn't score it all. They got to be two
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out of three, Tampa play, Tampa Bay plays well at
Yankee Stadium, and then all of a sudden, the Padre
is one of the best National League teams, come in
and they lose two out of three. I think I
think they're streaky. Uh you know, you look, they have
obviously a lot of power everyone around Judge. I think
Judge makes everyone better. I think if you run across,
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like tonight's matchup is gonna be a good matchup. Between
Freedo and Wu, I think if you run across the
pitch a good pitching staff, they might shut they might
shut these guys down, But as far as as far
as a mediocre staff, they're not. They're not going to
be able to shut these guys down. I mean, I
think even Hancock, as well as he had throw throws.
I think a twenty five year old kid, when you
get in trouble, you make one mistake, next thing you know,
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everything starts snowballing. And that's exactly what happened yesterday.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Well, Jeff Nelson's one of us working for the S
Network right doing some TV for the Yankees. Dave Simms
and Susan Waldman, I believe are doing the radio stuff
and you guys are doing the TV stuff, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I'm just curious about kind of what you think and
what you hear.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
The national narrative is regarding Julio Rodriguez, right, I mean,
two years ago we thought we had a superstar. They
give him this massive contract and I don't know where
he is now, but yesterday Dick and I looked it up.
He was a hunter and Nathan baseball and ops, which
is not where you need him to be. I mean,
he had a playoff his glove last night. Probably should
have made that play yesterday and centerfield did have the
home run obviously, But what's the perception.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Of this guy, like nationally, is he a star? Is
he not a star?
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Well, you have to be if in order to be
a star, you have to be a star almost a
whole part the whole season. Yeah, And he's a guy
that better is better in the second half than the
first half. And he's gotten off to a slow start
the last few years here in Seattle, and it really
he's a guy that can carry your offense. And when
you when you don't have that type of player, then
you're going to struggle offensively, and they've struggled here at
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Timo will Park.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
I think they see him as.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
I wouldn't say a superstar, probably a really good player
until he puts together a whole season, you know, because
he is a great talent.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
He just hasn't been able to put together a whole season,
which is more of a fluke Mariner team.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
The one we saw last year with unbelievable pitching right
particularly starting pitching and just horrendous offense are the one
we're seeing this year with above average offense and a
little bbove average pitching.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
Well, I think you're gonna get starters back. You're gonna
get Kirby and Gilbert back, So that'll definitely help the
starting rotation. The bullpens a little iffy besides Munos on
the back end, I think you probably could use some
help there. Offensively, I'd like the club, you know, I
think Edgar Martinez has done a great job. I think
once it starts getting a little bit warmer up here,
I think it you know, probably are in a division.
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I mean, I think the whole American League is a
week league. Right if you look at the National League,
the National League again, just like last year, is a
really strong league. The American League, I think you have
a handful of teams, maybe four or five teams that
are decent. Everybody else is. It's pretty weak, and I
think that helps out a team like the Mariners. You know,
Houston's mediocre. You look at Texas mediocre. You know, so
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Seattle can easily win this division. They get their starters back,
they can easily win the division because I think their
offense is a.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Little bit better than last year. Have you talked to
Dan Oh yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
I've talked to him twice. I mean when I was
here with the Marlins and I talked to him yesterday.
I was wondering because they hit so poorly here at
Team Obile. I mean, it's almost about fifty sixty point
difference between what they hit on the road, and I
was like, I don't remember our team having a hard
time hitting here.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Because you were awesome.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Yeah, well, he goes, we complained, he said, we complained.
We just adjusted a lot quicker than what they're doing now.
And it doesn't seem like Aaron Judge has a harm
time hitting here as well. So yeah, you know, I
don't understand it. You know, I don't understand why.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
You know, they used to be.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
Green that batter's eye, then they painted it black and
you know, deflecting the sun. So I don't know why
they have a hard the Mariners have a hard time
hitting at home. So if I get you're right. What
you said prior was the Mariners are.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
The best team in the West in your opinion, I
would think so.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
I mean, once they get their star, those two starters,
and they're still going to have one of the best
starting staffs in baseball, and definitely in the American League.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
I think they they probably should win the West.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
You know, let's see what they had, what happens during
the you know, trade deadline, and where they add if
they add.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
Uh, you know, Houston is going to be a decent team.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
I don't see them as as a stronger team than Seattle,
and I don't see Texas as a stronger team than Seattle. Yeah,
you know, now Seger just went on the IL, so
you know they're going to have They're going to have
their issues. But I think it's all about the pitching
and once you get those guys back, because I think
the offense is a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Mariners are hitting two fifteen at home, which is second
worst in Major.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
League Baseball, like two sixty nine seventy number two in baseball. Exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
They go from the second worst to second best. It's
our lot in life, Nelly, to deal with it every year.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
No.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I mean, you pitched here, obviously, and it was different
back then when you got nine All Stars. Doesn't matter
what stadium you play. But did you notice when hitters
came here or when you pitched here that you had
an advantage?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
No?
Speaker 7 (24:59):
I mean we always as a pitch, sure, you should
always think you have advantage anyway. But I think that
it's just different baseball, you know, and now it's analytically driven.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
You see a lot of a lot of lift on guys.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
You don't see many guys that get on top of
the baseball and hitline drives. You look at the big
swings with two strikes, you know that never used to be.
Guys used to shorten up. Perfect example, Brett Boone. I
mean he gets O two, he shortens up his swing,
and he still has tons of power the other way, right,
you know that's what happened. Eggar Martinez the same thing
O two, He had tons of power the other way.
These guys are swinging as hard as they can still
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with two strikes, and that's just not going to work.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So the ninety five team needs their due. I get
a little bit tired of it being the only thing
that we recognize around here. Now we have the twenty
twenty two team obviously to kind of break that streak.
But that's thirty years ago, in seven months, you know,
this October thirty years ago. Yeah, how often do you
guys talk? How often do you guys like you know,
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get together? And I assume there's gonna be some kind
of reunion coming up in October thirty years ago.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
The Mariners will market the heck out of it. There's
still a question about that.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
You think it's you know, when we you're you're proud
to be a part of two great years and one
and then ninety five, and I think we talk a
bit a little bit more about it when I'm doing
Yankee stuff, because they want to always bring that back up,
like I can't believe, you know, the the atmosphere and
the Yankee locker room when we beat them in the Kingdome,
they were up to oh they came out here and
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they lost. I think that that's more brought up than
than you know, some of the Mariners stuff. You know,
I see Jay every once in a while. Day Valley, yeah, uh,
you know, he wasn't on that team, but still he
was around Rick Riz obviously, you know, calling the games
back then.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
But it's always a special time, you know.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
I just can't believe that this organization is the only
organization has never been to the World Series.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
It's amazing. I do want to ask you one more
because you mentioned lou how's he doing?
Speaker 7 (26:59):
You know, I heard he's you know, he's gone through
some health health issues. I think he's doing okay now.
He went over to Europe or Turkey to try to
get some experimental medicine done. But I think he belongs
in the Hall of Fame. He's supposed to. I think
he was at the Old Timers Day last year. I
saw him and I couldn't talk to him good. I
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think he's going to go again this year, and he's
a You know, him and Joe Tory the best managers
I've ever played for. Lou I still miss We still
tell stories because the one interesting thing was like, who
was he? Who was the force? We talked about it
last day. Who was the force in the locker room
in ninety five? And I'm like, well, it was a junior,
was it Jay?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Was it?
Speaker 6 (27:38):
Was it Edgar or Randy? I'm like, no, it's Lou, right,
Lou was the force. I mean he was. He was
the guy in there. So I think he belongs. It's
a shame. I think he came up what one vote
short last year the year before he deserved to be
in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
All right, well, just do me a favorite little love
for your buddy Softie and Dick on the S Network tonight.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah right, and give out the website. Ninety three three kJ.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
Good to see you man, you guys too.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Jeff Nelson with us on the radio show.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
We're gonna break a little fun with audio next on
ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
It's now time for something in Dick's Fun with Audio.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Jimmy g pawn Star, Jimmy mister garoppolo.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Now let's have some fun with audio. All right, here
we going.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
I'm busy Tuesday night from Jimmy Design first, getting ready
for the Madden News against the Yankees coming up tonight
with Brian woo versus Max Freed on the mound. Right now,
the little Fun with audio slash.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Hey did you hear that? Hey, Dick, did you happen
to hear that? What's that?
Speaker 6 (28:33):
Dick?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
We start with Bill Belichick joining Sports Center. The Bill
Belichick Tour is underway, The public relations tour is underway.
This morning during acc spring meetings, and was asked about
his girlfriend Jordan Hudson and how creepy it is he's
dating somebody no and her impact on the North Carolina
(28:55):
football program.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
I know that you're aware that your relationship with Jordan
Hudson has been a headline over the last few months.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
How do you think that that impacts your ability to
coach this football team if at all.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
Yeah, I mean that's you know, really off to the side.
It's a personal relationship and she doesn't have anything to
do with UNC football. I'm excited to be back in
the coaches meetings and getting ready for you know, June,
and then August when we get the training camp. Sojun
will be a big recruiting month for us, and then
August we'll start getting ready for the season.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I think those are That is the most words I've
ever heard Bill Belichick say consecutively.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Since he's been coaching, except when he was on college game.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Honestly, I mean, that is amazing. See, I thought he
would be asked about Jordan Hudson.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
He would say, you know, I'm on to Cincinnati, nothing
going on there.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Well, he just blatantly he just blatantly lied. He said
she has nothing to do with North Carolina football.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
There's a lot of video that otherwise there was. I mean,
I assume that there's a chance that may have changed.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I mean, there was like a week a half ago,
but yeah, I mean, it's uh when the number one
story about your football team is the coach and his
creepy relationship with his girlfriend. Man, I don't know if
I'd like that if I were in North Carolina, but
i'd with Linda Cohene said yesterday on Twitter, because I've
been kind of thinking the same thing that they.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Would not if you could find me.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Odds on Bill Belichick never coaching a game at North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I put a few bucks on it June first, right.
I think he did the whole thing. Remember when the
day of the.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Contract came out, we were at five forty barn and
Grow the day of the contract was like, WHOA, there's
a chance he may ever coached.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
He did this for one reason, to give it his
job to his son. But how do we know his
son's going to get the job?
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Why else would he be there? Honestly? Do you think so?
Speaker 4 (30:42):
You think there is a clause in his contract that is,
I will sign this contract if you guarantee my son
as my success.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I don't think it's a clause because that would have
come out by now. If it was public record, that
would have come out by now. But I guarantee you
it was highly implied that his son was going to
get the job. When Dick Bennett took the Wazoo job,
didn't he take it so Tony could be the next coach?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah? Isn't that why he took that? Tony Bennett also
has a pulse in a personality.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Okay, right, but again he's a Belichick. Maybe the Carolina
is just so smitten with Bill that they would go
for it. But I mean you're asking me, I'm telling
you that it's happened before. I don't know if that
was in Dick Bennett's contract. Do you remember that being
his coach? I don't remember whether Tony gets the gig.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I mean, it's just you know, I mean, like, Dick,
what do you think. I do think we thought it.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
I do think we thought it was coaching waiting situation
though from the very get go, and I have not
heard that at all from North Carol.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Maybe all right, ay, Dick, did you happen to hear that?
What's that?
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Dick?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
After the Mavericks won the NBA Draft lottery yesterday, Colin
Cowhard responding to the national narrative that the lottery is fixed.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Well, you're seeing it all over America. A lack of
trust in institutions. It could be the FBI, the CIA,
it could be the media, it could be.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
The White House.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
The default explanation in America in twenty twenty five, when
you are ticked off or you can't explaining something or
something doesn't go your way, it's rigged. Yeah, I've got
video of Dallas's draft room last night, draft lottery room.
You're gonna get twelve guys to act like this for
thirty seconds. There aren't this many good actors in Hollywood
(32:14):
that would do that. Yeah, it's fixed. It is fixed,
fixed so that the worst tanking teams don't win the lottery. Yes,
it is fixed. Essentially, the draft lottery now is like
the local raffle at your tavern where you got fifteen
twenty people. It's a raffle, and sometimes the same guy
wins two out of four raffles.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Well, it's like a rolette table, right, I mean, sooner
or later it's gonna come up green and uh double zeros.
And I mean if we keep doing this every year
for one hundred and fifty years, right, the numbers may
play out that the highest percentage teams will get the
number one pick.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
The majority of the time. But I can see why fans.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
It's just such a coincidence, right that the Mavericks send
Luka Doncicz to the l Lakers and they get Cooper
Flag almost like a little something for their service to
help out the Lakers and help them make the NBA Finals,
which they did not because they lost in the first round.
But there's always gonna be conspiracy theories, right, They're never
ever ever going away. I think they're kind of good
(33:15):
for the sport. They get people engaged.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Yeah, I mean the only time, the very first one,
Patrick Ewing frozen envelope New York.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
If there was ever a conspiracy theory, that would have
been the one. Well how do you do it?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Though, Like, honestly, because you've got is is delight involved
in this thing, the draft lottery, like who's the beef?
So you would have to get a respected accounting firm
to go along with it and put their integrity on
the line, probably dozens of employees to go.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Along with it.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
It's erst and young to go along with it. I mean,
when you start parsing it out, it starts to sound
a little ridiculous, of.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Course, but people love I mean people love to knee
jerk conspiracy, conspiracy, rigged rig It's a fun story, very fun.
It was fun to see all the people pissed off online,
but I don't think any of them would bet their
life that it actually was fit.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I think we should start a text threat here, or
a text line topic for textimonials.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
What's your conspiracy theory about this radio station? Do you
have one?
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Like?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Who hates who the most?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Behind the scenes, who can't stand who the most behind
the scenes, who's dating who?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Who's dating? Who stole from who? Who makes more money
than who?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Come on, give us your I want to know your
KJR conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Okay, yes, give it. I mean this guy. People talk
about this station all the time.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
You know, I heard you.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Okay, what do you know? You don't know anything.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
It's amazing. I'm a stupid crap I hear from it.
It's also amazing you know what's happening behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Well, unfortunately, it's also amazing how boring the behind the
scenes is.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I want to hear KJR conspiracy theories? Jackson four nine,
four or five one? All right, we're gonna break. John
Wilner is gonna join next on ninety three to three KJRFM,
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