May 13, 2025 • 37 mins
In the third hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain visit with Larry Stone and talk about Pete Rose’s Hall of Fame eligibility, plus visit with Komo’s Chris Daniels to discuss the sale of the Portland Trail Blazers, and the guys listen and react to Dan Wilson’s presser.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for our weekly conversation with legendary sports writer
Larry Stone, brought to you by the Ram Restaurant and Brewery, Bigger, Better,
and fresher since nineteen seventy one, with eight Fugit Sound
locations from Marysville to Lacey and everywhere in between. There's
a rim near you Now with Softy and Dick, here's
Larry Stone.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Wow, what a treat this is. You're looking to see
Larry Stone very often in person? But is it coincidence?
By the way that he'll always show up and see
us in person when there's a bar five feet behind him,
By the way, that's a lively atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
He likes that we're right across the street from where
he's going to be heading here.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Shortly are you Are you working the night or hanging
out in the stane?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
What are you doing neither? I'm not working, but I'm
going to hang out in the press box.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I kind of come to one game a homestand and
Simsy was here. I want to say hi to him.
There you go, good friend of mine. So that's why
I chose this one. And then just by happy coincidence,
you guys, happened to be right, I love it, and
so I wandered over. There's always that one, right, that
just keeps hanging around, right.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I don't know what's cool. I don't know what's cooler.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Dave the Lifetime Honorary Baseball Writers Association of America lapel
that he's wearing right now to get him into every
stadium in baseball or the what circa.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Picture of Larry Stone on that on that card right there?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
What year was that taking? You know?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I think it was the first year I came to Seattle,
which was ninety six.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I think that was it. Your bar Mitchell, By the way,
can I get a picture of that right away? That
is amazing. Look at that Holy crap.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
And it's kind of distorted like it was taken through
a doorknob. So yeah, they just keep using it.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
I have no say in that.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Well, good for you that basically, I mean, in all honesty,
like that gives you the ability to get into any
baseball game you want for the rest of your life,
is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Into the press box anyway. That's pretty cool. That is
very very what you're in the gates.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
You can go where you want. That's true. I think
my favorite cdential all time that I still have is
in ninety eight. You may remember this when Maguire, Sosa
and Griffy were going after Maris. They handed out a pass. Yeah,
and it was good to follow any of those guys
all over the country. Did you get one of those?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
I do.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
As a matter of fact, last week I went I
have a habit of just throwing my credentials into a box,
so I have them dating back to the nineteen eighties,
and I went through them all and found some amazing
things in there.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
But I found that one. And I was there in
Saint Louis.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I know you were too, Yes, I was there that
night that night, and you know, that was probably the
most exciting event I ever covered because we had sort
of pushed aside the fact the steroids. Yeah right, I
mean it was a huge deal in sports.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Was there a bigger I can't think of a bigger
single day in baseball since then? It doesn't it eclipse
every World Series Game seven that's happened since then.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I don't think a lot of younger people may not
realize what a big deal that was.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Huge. I mean, this was the most sacred record in baseball.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You know, you know who the first player was that
congratulated McGuire when he crossed home play.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I do ill our old friend, Scott's Service, that the
catcher for the I interviewed Scott.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
He was like I got.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
McGuire was not really.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Wanting to do many interviews then because he was just overwhelmed,
and Service became kind of like a go to guy
to talk about, you know a little knowing that in
thirty years he was going to be the manager of
the marriage.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
So I interviewed him a lot back in those days.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
While yeah, hey, Scott, did you enjoy that night, by
the way, that question with you back then? No, he wasn't.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
He wasn't. He never was really too synarchy with me.
He saved that for Dave.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Right, well, you're right about how big it was, and
I'll never forget it. That was the weekend that brock
Heward hit Reggie Davis on the hand of God game,
first game of the year against Arizona State. I went
and saw that game, flew to Saint Louis Sunday morning,
Saw sixty one. Yeah, did my show from KMOX radio
on Monday, SAW sixty two on Tuesday, and went home.
It was just incredible.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
And the other thing was that there was no guarantee
that he was going to hold the record. At the
end of the year, Sammy had like fifty nine or sixty.
I mean he was right behind him, So I mean
Sammy could have gone on a surge and ended up
being the single seed as there a record holder.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Well, now we got some bigger news in baseball today
with Pete Rose being reinstated shoeless Joe Jackson reinstated. So
we're all wondering do you have a Hall of Fame
vote and would you use it on Pete Rose? But
you brought up a point off the air that we
haven't even talked about yet to explain to people how
this process will not work.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Well, I do have a vote.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
You haven't for ten years after you retire, and this
is my first year. I kept an active card last year.
This is my first year with the honorary card, so
I got ten more years of voting. But you're only
on the Hall of Fame Baseball Writer's ballot for fifteen
years after you retired, and that's long gone for Pete Rose.
So never had a ballot with Pete Rose on it.
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And never will unless they change the rules or make
some sort of exception.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
So what it does.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
There was a I got a press release from the
Hall of Fame today explaining what the situation is because
I'm still on their mailing list. And there is a
historical committee that considers players who are no longer on
the ballot, and so all the sixteen players who are
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reinstated today, and that includes all the black socks from
you know, shoeless Joe Jackson and all his teammates and
Pete Rose will be.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Considered by this committee.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
And then you can guarantee that Joe Jackson and p
Rose are going to be passed forward.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
And then it goes to a golden era.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I think they call it committee of sixteen people who
will vote on those the eligibility, the Hall of Fame
status of those players.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
And it's sixteen people on the committee.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
It's former players, former executives, current executives, historians, and I
think a couple of baseball writers. And you need that's
the same committee that Lou Penella is is probably considered
for Hall of Fame, and you need twelve votes.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Lou has gotten eleven twice, so.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
He's gonna have to get Pete's gonna have to get
twelve votes from this committee to go into the Hall
of Fame. And then that committee will meet in December
of twenty twenty seven. Will be the next time they wow, okay,
they vote. It's during the Winter meetings, and they announced it.
They always announced it on the first day of the
Winter meetings, and they alternate. There's there's various committees. There's
modern players, there's old time players. So they alternate years,
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and I think the next year is going to be
a different committee. But the Pete Rose Joe Jackson Committee
will be twenty seven, So the earliest you could go
in the Hall of Fame is twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So everything I said about this being the most anticipated
Hall of Fame vote ever, forget it post right, you know,
talk about the timing, like why now?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And why is Shulis Jackson in the Black Sox lumped in.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
With Pete Rose in this decision? Why wasn't Juliss Jackson
If they're gonna do this to Pete Rose? Now, what
did they do with the Black Socks fifty years ago?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Well, I mean yeah, I mean Pete Rose when he
died that which was nine months ago that sort of
put a new focus on this. And then I mean,
I think a cynical person would say Donald Trump entered
the fray about a month ago when he put out
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this blistering tweet or whatever it is, social, whatever his
thing is, truth social, blasting Baseball for for not having
Rose in the Hall of Fame. And and and then
Manfred met with Trump two weeks ago.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Oh interesting, Okay, And I mean it seems like it's
and then suddenly you know Baseball has an anti Trump's.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Exemption that they don't want to lose. So I mean,
I think that's got something to do with the timing
of this. And I think if you're going to do
it for Pete Rose, you got to throw shoeless Joe.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
And right as well. Well.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Okay, so if you're on that committee, then you have
one of those votes.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Are you voting for him?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
You know, to me, it's not an easy decision. I'm
not a hard liner. I vote for the steroids, guys.
I've voted for Bonds ten times. You know, he was
on the ballot ten years. I voted for him every year.
I voted for Clemens every year. So but to me,
this is a worse offense than that. This is the
cardinal sin of baseball. It's there's a sign on every
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clubhouse and there always has been. It's called Rule twenty one.
It came into being because of the black Sauce scandal.
This rule has been there since nineteen twenty one that
if you bet on baseball in any game that you're
involved in, it's a permanent band. I mean, every player
who's ever played knows that rule. And Pete Rose violated that.
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It's the I mean, the integrity.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Of the game.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
If fans need to know that the games are are
you know, fair and square and then and this cuts
into that.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
However, I think ultimately I would vote for him because
you know his.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
You can you can put it on the plaque that
he was suspended for betting on baseball. But his h
his feet, the all time hit record was as a player.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Now he was a player manager. This this is more
complicating factor.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
He was a player manager his last two years, so
while he was managing. You know, people say, oh he
was he was a manager not a player.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
But they're suppose right, yeah, uh so there was an overlap.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
But you know, he may have bet on games. I
think he did bet on games where he was playing
and managing.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
So and the fact that he always bet for the
Reds to win.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
To me, that's not that that doesn't clear him, because
you know, as a manager, he could if he has
a bet on a game, he could leave his clothes,
he could have his closer and you know, pitch for
the fourth straight day or something which is to the
detriment of the team, or he could you know, you
manage the game differently if even if you're even if
you're playing to win. I think so, I think there's
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integrity of the game issues even though he only bet
on the team to win. But uh, the largest portion
of his career was before all this happened, So I
think I would grudgingly vote for it.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Well, I guess there's just I mean, there's a separation between,
you know, getting kicked out of baseball and just saying, hey,
you cannot attend a game, you can't be at any
functioning j But the Hall of Fame, for me, at
least Larry, is as much for the fans and the
history of a game as it is to reward the player.
And I think what we've done the last thirty years
is take that away from the.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Game itself and from the fans.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Yeah, you look.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I mean the all time hits leader is not in.
The all time home runs leader is not in. The
guy who has the most cy Young Awards, and Roger
Clemens is not in, uh you know, a seven one
hundred home run guy, and Alex Rodriguez is not. I mean, yeah,
I tend to lean towards that viewpoint as well. It's
the Hall of Fame. These players, everyone knows what they did.
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You could judge yourself whether right, and you know how
to hold it against them.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I just don't want to cherry pick what history I
want to see recognized and what we don't. I mean,
this is baseball, whether we like it or not. This
is baseball's history. And I love the Hall of Fame.
And I've been there twice at a great time. Both
times I was there, and I think they that that
that the history of the game is what the Hall
of Fame should be about and reflected in the Hall
of Fame, and we leave guys out, Like I agree
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with you on Clemens and Bonds. Hey, I mean you
if you read the reports. I mean, by all accounts,
Clemens and Bonds were already Hall of famers when they
started taking steroids time. It was amazing what they did.
But Larry Stone is with us on the radio show,
and I mean, just interesting stuff on how this is
gonna work. So twenty twenty seven would be the first
time that we could vote on this for Hall of Fame.
Twenty twenty eight ceremony then would be when he would
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be inducted, which will be three years obviously from this summer.
But what about the team across the street. Hey, we
did a good job of ignoring him for fifteen minutes.
We did. We did well. It took a day for
Baseball to say Pete Rose is eligible for the Hall
of Fame, to ignore the Mariners. But what the hell's
going on? Is there is there a leak in the voters?
There are a crack of the boats.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Well, there's definitely a leak, and we were talking off
the air, and they're facing the guy who right now
is the cy young favorite, Max Freed tonight. Then you
got Logan Evans, who's been shaky going tomorrow. And then
you got three with the Padres, one of the three
best teams in baseball. So you know, this losing streak
could really accelerate and then you got the White Sox.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
I think after that where you can maybe get well
in a series.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
But uh, you know, I think that the loss of
Kirby and Gilbert is finally sort of hitting home. You
know that those guys are so essential to uh the
blueprint for them winning.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
And when they with.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Miller's struggling and Castillo struggling, you don't have that great
pitching every night like you you were counting on. And
then the lineup, I think it was inevitable that they
were gonna hit some bumps too. And you know, you
look at you look at that lineup and there's a
lot of dead spots in that line up there where
they were getting production way over their head from guys
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like Revas and and Williamson for a week or you know,
for his first two weeks, but he's he's hit reality
and first base is still a problem area.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
So there's there's a lot of holes in that lineup.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
And when they're both working together, you have what what's.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Happened in the last four days? What are you saying
with Bryce Miller?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
And and how do you think they're going to handle him?
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Yeah, it's a it's an issue. Uh, it's a big problem.
I'm seeing a guy who.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Has no confidence, who's lost his command, which was his
big thing. Uh, and you have to wonder about his health.
Usually poor command follows poor health, and he's complained about
various things. And but the Mirrors are very cautious organization
when it comes to players health. So I if there
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was real concerns about Miller, they would not hesitate to
put him on the I L I'm pretty sure about that.
So they must feel confident that he's okay physically. He
just he needs a game where he goes out and
throws seven shut out innings to get his confidence back.
You know, each of the last three games, the Mirrors
starters have looked really good for four innings, including Miller.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Then that also happened with.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Who else Emerson Hancock last night for four innings he
was holding down the Yankees and then they fell apart
from him in the fifth.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
And it happened then that with Ogan Evans too his start.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
They need to figure out a way to get these
guys deep into games because the bullpen is suffering as.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Well, no doubt. Yeah, Well, Larry Stones with us, and
Larry was last night. It was one of those nights
where you see kind of the good and bad of
Julio had the home run, obviously, and then misplays a
ball in centerfield that went off his glove, and I
think he should have caught that ball. I mean, catches
the top of his glove and then hits the back
of the wall. So if it doesn't touch the glove,
it's probably gonna hit the wall or maybe the top
of the wall and come back in. But he looks
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a little off to me, defensively, slightly, And maybe it's
because of T Mobile Park. I have no idea, but
just look at the numbers. He's one hundredth in baseball
and ops right now, one hundredth. That's not why you
signed Julio Rodriguez, right. So Bill Kruever has been on
the show and he's gone on record. He says the
Mariners jumped the gun too early on giving him that contract.
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We looked up Tatisse, we looked up Pacunya. Both those
guys had more abs and more games than Julio did.
Do you think privately, in a private moment, the Mariners
would say we shouldn't have done that, or do you
think they still think they made the rock cut right
called locking him up.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I think they still may think they made the right call.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
He may be one hundredth in OPS, but he's also
twenty eighth in war If you check that out, which I.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Looked at, I'm more of an OPS.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I mean that means he's the twenty eighth most valuable
player in baseball by the stat that everybody uses just
to judge value. And that's even and that's with a
poor offensive start. He helps you out in a lot
of different ways, right And you know, I'm encouraged by
the way he is playing right now compared to April
and Mays of other years.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
I think he's way ahead. And that's I mean, if
you look at.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
This last two weeks, he's hitting three over three hundred
with with pop. So I think he's trending in the
right direction. You know, I think you can make the
case that they jumped the gun. But he was coming
off to top ten MVP seasons, finishing in the top ten.
You know, if you had waited to sign him and
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he continued along that trajectory, he was going to price
himself out of the market. So and if you look
at his yearly salaries.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
It's eighteen million.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yeah, it's not prohibitive. It's for a long time, but
he's not you know, he's not being overpaid compared to
other stars at all.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
And by the time that contract's over, Larry, the last
two or three years, that contract, eighteen.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Million is going to be the average salary in baseball.
The average salary in baseball. That sounds like something I've
been saying for the past ten seasons. By the way,
thank you, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
No, I agree with with what Dick just said.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
That you throw the total out there with, you know,
the three hundred four hundred million, it sounds absurd, but
when you break it down, he's not hamstringing them right now,
and he's not overpaid.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Right Hey, Larry, before you go, I don't want to
get an NBA thought from you, because Adam Silver was
on Serious XM today and kind of for the first time,
I think, went on record and said, yes, we will
be discussing expansion in July. He's mentioned Seattle now by
name numerous times. He's mentioned Vegas by name numerous times.
Is it getting to a point now where you think
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this is all just about dotting the eyes and crossing
the T's.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Probably the timing, though, remains a mystery. I mean, he's
been teasing it for so long, but I'm I remain
really hopeful that it's gonna happen, and it happened here.
A lot of my hope is based on the Liwikis
and their connection right in the NBA. I think, I
think they know the right people, and I think they
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know how to get this done. And I mean, I
don't see how the NBA can expand and not expand
to Seattle. And you know when exactly that's going to happen,
I don't know. But if I were a betting man
like Pete Rose, I would say that.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
I would bet on Seattle getting a team.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I love it. Hey, how many people in town I
have that passed by the way that you have that
life ten years past to go to any baseball stadium
in the country.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Jim Street, Okay, Bob Sherwin. I think those are the
only two that many.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
It's a lifetime pass, not a ten year pass. He's
a ten year voting, but he's got a lifetime. This
is the real life version of Charlie Bucket from Willie Walker.
He's got the golden ticket. Hey, tuck that thing in
your shirt. Somebody may try to rip it off when
you walk down the street, or more likely I'll lose
it because I lose them.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
You asked me about or union asomy, but you were
talking about things that you emulate your father.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
We have both had a tendency to misplace things. Hey,
you're the man. Appreciate this, Larry. We're talking a week
by all right? Thanks? All right, Larry Stone the absolute
best with us on the radio show. That is so
freaking cool that he's got that pass and he deserves it. Man,
I hope he's hanging around forever at the park. All Right,
we're gonna break. We're gonna hear from Dan Wilson. I
believe Chris Daniels is gonna join us as well at
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five forty five and talk about with today's announcement of
the Blazer sale means. And by the way, did you
forget something new? We need some PGA picks.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Out of you.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well that's tomorrow. That is tomorrow. I'm getting old. I
thought today was Wednesday. What I talk about, what we take,
we get do it today? How about going is what
I'm taking from my dad? All Right, we're here on
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Speaker 2 (20:37):
By the way, update from the Cavaliers Pacers game tailor
two cors It's now fifty six fifty two Cleveland at
the half, by the way against Indiana. Yeah, that was
pretty good timing there. I'm bad, Yeah, not bad at all.
And the live line are talking about Nuggets.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
Thunder.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
We'll get going at six thirty f you Thunder, Let's
go Nuggets, Come on baby. But Dan Wilson Mariners are
going to turn this thing around against the Yankees tonight,
and they'll have to do it against Max Freed, who
might be the best pitcher in baseball for spending all
those years in at Land and now with the Yankees.
Dan Wilson with the media bere for tonight's Game two against.
Speaker 9 (21:11):
The Yankees, Game two of the series today, Brian will
on the on the hill for us. You know, Brian
has pitched so well for us here in the in
the early going, so looking forward to to a great
outing from from him, and and uh, you know Max
Freed on the other side, obviously, you know, a tough
customer in his own right, and so you know, offensively,
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we'll be ready tonight. But uh, you know, again looking
to bounce back as as we have and as we
continue to, you know, through this homestand but uh, you know.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
It's a good night for that.
Speaker 9 (21:45):
Paulod On one up today any particular reason for no,
just just uh, you know, giving him a little bit
of a rest here at this point. And uh, you know,
that's that's what we're looking for today for him. And
you know he's available if if if needed, but no
setbacks from now from right.
Speaker 10 (22:03):
And you guys have done really well against some quality
left handed pitching this season. Uh Scooball Crochet, How have
those games? How can those games and those wins kind
of help you guys facing free today?
Speaker 9 (22:15):
Yeah, I mean I think you know, you definitely draw
confidence from from those types of games, and and uh,
you know tough, those were tough lefties for sure in
their own right. And and tonight's another one. But you
know the way these guys, you know, set their approach.
Get ready for a guy like that, you know, I
know they'll be ready and and uh we've done it
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before and and hopefully tonight's another night where we can
do it again.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
When you when you watch Freed, what what makes him as.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Effective as he is?
Speaker 9 (22:42):
I mean, you know, uh, he's got he's just got
good stuff and and able to command it uses his cutter. Well,
I think this is a guy that, uh, you know,
he's got such movement on his pitches that that you know,
it's it's a bit unpredict double. So you know, you
just got to be able to be ready when you
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get a pitch it's it's hittable.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
And and be aggressive on it.
Speaker 9 (23:07):
And uh that's that's why I know our guys are
gonna be ready to do.
Speaker 10 (23:10):
Justin mentioned at the beginning of the Homestead that potential
bullpen are going back on the mount for Logan was
on the option depending on how how is pre game.
Is that still the plan that you know of.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
Or uh yeah, I mean I think he's throwing a
pen right now as we speak, and and once he does,
then we'll we'll have a little bit more of an update.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I'm sure Dan with Vie we know what he's all
about when he's at us peak.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Where do you get the assessment of where he's at
right now mentally since the beginning of this Homestand.
Speaker 9 (23:38):
Yeah, I mean I think, uh, you know, he's he
has really swung that well. And and uh, I think
when you look at you know what he has done
over the last several games, and and uh, you know,
has not struck struck out very much at all, and
and has really been finding a lot of barrels. A
drop a ball last night out of the ballpark, So
you know when you see him, he has been driving
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the ball to the right field. And also you know,
being able to pull the ball. That's when you know
he's in a really good spot. And I think we've
seen that from him and continues to have outstanding at bets.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
There's nothing more mundane than everyday meetings with baseball managers
in the media.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
I never understood why they did it everywhere.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Well, Larry a first day of the series type. I
was talking Larry about that off the air that I
think they should do. Okay, so you meet with them
with the media before the first game of every series
and then after every game because there's a game to
talk about recap and then if something comes up, like
an injury or whatever special, then you meet with him
and Larry's like, oh, we got to do notebooks every day.
We gotta write articles a well, you know, screw you.
(24:40):
I mean, what about everybody else? But are we.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Writing based upon what they're saying? He says hour and
a half before the game.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
He says, there's enough stuff that comes out every day
that you can fill an entire notebook.
Speaker 8 (24:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I look, I mean the baseball wants it because they
want people to engage with the game, and I get that.
I think there's too many games period. That's one of
my biggest problems. I think it should be like one
hundred and twenty game season. But can you imagine like
lou Panella being asked, hey, uh are you aware of that?
Like is that still a plan? Son? Are you asking
me if I know what's operating? I mean, what the hell?
(25:12):
And I've kind of feel bad for some of these
people having to ask these It's really hard, and I mean, look,
I mean, like I bust their balls a little bit.
I'm not there. I could be the one asking questions,
but I'm kind of on the ear. So it's kind
of hard. I think it's really hard to be a
baseball writer and ask questions every single freaking day, twice
per day. You're doing pregame, you're doing postgame. How many
(25:33):
times did we hear lou Panella postgame press conferences or
even pregame meetings with the media where there'd be large
gaps of silence yes, in between the questions. I mean,
it's crazy, do you ask well?
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I guess in yes, In the era of social media
and the era of the internet, obviously you can pump
stuff out instantaneously based on what Dan Wilson said. But
what would Larry have done with the information he got
in nineteen eighty six between Like you would have put.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
In a notebook in the paper the next day, that's
what he's talking about. It would have been an in
a newspaper article the next morning. I don't know, ask
him next time you have them on I just I'm
with you. I mean, I think most would have been
after the game. You can ask him. You can ask
anything before the game, after the game, right, Yeah, Well,
I don't know, man. I mean, it's it's it's part
(26:23):
of the deal. It's what makes baseball unique.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I mean, you're talking about a guy that's gonna meet
with the media three hundred and twenty four times, literally,
three hundred and twenty four times throughout the year he
will meet with the press. That is crazy. All Right,
We're gonna break Chris Daniels. What's going on with the
Seahawks sale? The Blazers are up for sale? What does
that mean for the Sonics? What does it mean for
the Seahawks? What does it mean for the Sounders? What
(26:46):
about the expansion talk going on? Are we gonna see
some announcements soon about an ownership group. Is Jeff Bezos
gonna be involved? What's the deal? Chris Daniels will join
us next on ninety three to three KJRFM.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
Proodcasting live from the R and R Foundation specialist broad
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Speaker 11 (27:15):
Obviously, I know there's tremendous interests in Seattle. I know
there's tremendous interest in Las Vegas and several other cities
as well. That whether I've read about the interest or
you know, have heard indirectly from others. Just to be clear,
we haven't begun any sort of process. So even to
the extend cities have reached out, we've said thank you
for your interest, but we're not ready to take meetings yet.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That is the voice of Adam Silver. By the way,
just a random topic.
Speaker 7 (27:40):
Cop.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I love Jimmy's I love being here. These seats make
my button number Now what happened to you too? These
are actually better than the ones we have on Monday?
Got Monday? Oh what the queen you means? Yeah, we
gotta we gotta invest in some new chairs for the
queen man. But my ass is like numb sitting in
these things. It's we don't how many padding, very bony butts.
(28:02):
I also have no ass. You're right back when I
was two seventy, man, it was easy for it a
huge ass. It's like a parachute freaking thing. With Speaking
of a guy who's got a very very nice backside,
he's also very well dressed. I would vote for him
as the best dressed member of the CEM. He's always dapper.
I love the handkerchief is always a good call. Unbelievable Christaniels,
(28:22):
how many how many different suits do you have? How
many combinations do you have in your closet at home?
Speaker 7 (28:27):
By the way, I'd say a couple dozens. It's all
about the pocket square. I can tell you more about
pocket square than I can about padding.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Really, what's the what's the key, what's the secret there?
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Yeah, it's all about matching up the pocket square with
the shirt. And really the pocket square is the new tie.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
That's right. I mean, are you a solid pocket square guy?
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Or do you like the plaid and the you know,
the florals and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
I love it all. I love to mix it up, Dick.
It's it's really all about the shirt, the shirt, suit coat,
sport coat and pant combination. I can tell you all
about that. I cannot tell you about the patting that
Jimmy's on. Person.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Well, you do it better than anybody. Mess So keeping
up whatever you're doing, it's working. But Chris Daniels again
is with us on the radio show, and Chris let's
first of all talk about the words by Adam Silver
today kind of I guess officially right going on record,
although I think he may have insinuated this before. That
there will be some expansion discussion this July at the
(29:30):
owner meetings. How significant you think would this be? Should
this be for basketball fantasy?
Speaker 7 (29:36):
Well, you know, as we have discussed before the NBA,
Adam Silver David's turn before him very very careful about
the verbiage that is used and exactly how the ball
is advanced in this particular case. I mean, we just
heard him in April say, hey, in July, we might
(29:57):
talk about this. We heard him last say we're going
to talk about this in the fall, and then this season,
and so he's always very careful with how he words things.
But this is the first time that he said will
be on the agenda, which seems definitive that they're going
to talk about something and likely, I think, if you
(30:18):
read between the lines, talk about forming an expansion committee
to further study what they've already been studying now for years.
And you both know this that they've been looking at
the arena, they've been looking at climate Pledge, They've obviously
met with groups in Seattle, they've studied this for a while.
But the next step is going to be an expansion committee.
(30:39):
And I think if you read between the lines and
what he said to Sirius XM. That's what he's laid
out here is potentially a July meaning to announce a
expansion committee that could make a decision by later this year.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Do you believe the expansion committee is a simple rubber.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
Stamp at this point? You would think so. But I
also know that there has been pushback internally in the NBA,
James Dolan in particular, the owner of the Knicks, about
further expansion. What is interesting in this whole discussion, though,
is what happened just today with the Allen Estate announcing
(31:17):
that the Blazers are formally for sale, that they have
held off from that, as you know, making any sort
of declaration saying that they're going to put them up
for sale. That fits into this mix too, and it
may be, I think a bit different than what we've
discussed with the Celtics in the past, with that deal
being or that team being put up for sale after
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the NBA Finals last year. That seems to have been
one of the hurdles moving forward for the NBA on expansion,
the idea that they have to set a price, in
this case six billion dollars that still needs to be finalized.
The Blazers are not going to go for six billion dollars.
But what could happen in this scenario is the NBA
want to set a price tag on expansion so they
(32:02):
can raise the price the value of the Blazers by saying,
let's do expansion first, Let's get it out there. Let's
set the bar at four or five billion, because overnight,
that will raise the value of the Blazers. If you
do it the other way around, you potentially have a
lower asking price for an expansion franchise. So I think
that all does play into this discussion. Whether it muddies it,
(32:24):
I think we're going to have to hear in the future.
I mean, those comments from Silver were made less than
twenty four hours before the announcement of the Blazers being
for sale, so it perhaps muddies the waters a bit
going forward, But it could also be good news because
the NBA will want to lay this out for expansion
before they go and sell the Blazers.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Well, Chris Daniels, there was a senior reporter for Como News,
not a junior reporter or senior reporter.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
For Como News, otherwise known as old Man.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
That's right. The og is with us on the air
and feel free to fill in the blanks here in
my timeline. But Chris Hansen announces he's going after the
return of the NBA, and then he brings on Wally,
he brings on I think the Nordstroms he brings didn't
Russell Wilson become a part of that at some point
or whatever. So remember, there was a there was a public,
(33:16):
very public facing ownership group. Here's the people, here's who
we are. We're going after the NBA. Are we going
to see that you think in the next maybe month
or a couple of months, where the ownership group comes forward,
Here's who we are, here's who is in our group. Well,
Jeff Bezos be a part of that. Will there be
some kind of announcement by them, like there was with
(33:39):
Chris Hanson before he got that deal done with the
maloofs that eventually fell apart.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
Yeah, I mean they were geared up to do that
back in September October, when all the pieces were aligning
or seemingly aligning for an announcement about an expansion committee.
In September October. You know this, the NBA had the
exhibition game, the rain City Classic at the Climate Pledge arena.
There was a lot that was teed up to be
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announced at that time before the NBA pulled back because
largely because of that Celtics transaction that needed to be settled.
I think what you know I'm hearing on the ground
is is people want to be very cautious here. You
hear the line over and over. We don't want to
get ahead of the commissioner. That is a card that
you play when you're trying to finalize a deal, a
(34:26):
lot like what we saw with the Kraken in getting
the NHL to commit to Seattle. It is Hey, we
have David Bonderman, we have these other people involved, Let's
close this deal. Let's get this arena deal over the
finish line. That's when you play that card in this
big stakes poker game with the NBA. And I think
that's why you haven't heard from those people yet about
(34:49):
their interest in being the majority minority owner. Saman's Holloway
has said she's interested publicly in being part of an
NBA franchise, so that her name is out there, but
others are are kind of hanging in the shadows right
now that some of the whales that potentially want to
be involved here because of well, I think Andy Jassey
(35:16):
is a is a name to watch in the discussion
here who is leading Amazon right now? Bezos has has
moved his stakes to Florida. Uh in what he would
come back, Obviously, the NBA would love to have him involved.
Amazon is already a partner, uh with the NBA. So
I think there's a natural Uh, there's a natural line
(35:36):
to draw there climate Plagerina being the name on the
building as well with the sponsorship agreement with Amazon there,
So I mean you can draw those lines. And Andy
Jassy already being involved with the Kraken I think is
a name to watch as well.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Chris is the timing of the Blazer's sale announcements a
day impact the Seahawks sale at all?
Speaker 7 (35:59):
I don't think so. But it's the most forthright comment
we've had from the Allen of State that this was
part of his wishes to sell the Blazers after his
death for that money to go to philanthropy. The Seahawks,
they are saying, are not for sale, but now that
(36:20):
that provision has sunset, and so to speak, on the
ten percent tax that the Allen estate or a new
owner would have to pay to the state. And just
for a quick background, that was written into the referendum
to the deal to build lumen Field back in nineteen
ninety seven was if the team was sold before last year,
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that there would be a ten percent tax that would
have to be paid to the state that is now
sunset it. So that seems to be out of the
way in terms of a hurdle for the Seahawks to
be sold. But I don't believe that the Blazers sale
is connected one way or the other to the Seahawks sale.
But we are talking about a lot of money with
those two teams eventually going to philanthropic efforts in the community.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Ye, Chris Daniels, come on news, phenomenal stuff as always,
keep up the great work and we will talk down
the road, my friend.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
Thanks Chris, good luck with the cushions.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Thank you, my friend. My ass is still number by
the way, it's getting numbered by the hour.
It's time for our weekly conversation with legendary sports writer
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Wow, what a treat this is. You're looking to see
Larry Stone very often in person? But is it coincidence?
By the way that he'll always show up and see
us in person when there's a bar five feet behind him,
By the way, that's a lively atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
He likes that we're right across the street from where
he's going to be heading here.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Shortly are you Are you working the night or hanging
out in the stane?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
What are you doing neither? I'm not working, but I'm
going to hang out in the press box.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I kind of come to one game a homestand and
Simsy was here. I want to say hi to him.
There you go, good friend of mine. So that's why
I chose this one. And then just by happy coincidence,
you guys, happened to be right, I love it, and
so I wandered over. There's always that one, right, that
just keeps hanging around, right.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I don't know what's cool. I don't know what's cooler.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Dave the Lifetime Honorary Baseball Writers Association of America lapel
that he's wearing right now to get him into every
stadium in baseball or the what circa.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Picture of Larry Stone on that on that card right there?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
What year was that taking? You know?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I think it was the first year I came to Seattle,
which was ninety six.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I think that was it. Your bar Mitchell, By the way,
can I get a picture of that right away? That
is amazing. Look at that Holy crap.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
And it's kind of distorted like it was taken through
a doorknob. So yeah, they just keep using it.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
I have no say in that.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Well, good for you that basically, I mean, in all honesty,
like that gives you the ability to get into any
baseball game you want for the rest of your life,
is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Into the press box anyway. That's pretty cool. That is
very very what you're in the gates.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
You can go where you want. That's true. I think
my favorite cdential all time that I still have is
in ninety eight. You may remember this when Maguire, Sosa
and Griffy were going after Maris. They handed out a pass. Yeah,
and it was good to follow any of those guys
all over the country. Did you get one of those?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
I do.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
As a matter of fact, last week I went I
have a habit of just throwing my credentials into a box,
so I have them dating back to the nineteen eighties,
and I went through them all and found some amazing
things in there.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
But I found that one. And I was there in
Saint Louis.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I know you were too, Yes, I was there that
night that night, and you know, that was probably the
most exciting event I ever covered because we had sort
of pushed aside the fact the steroids. Yeah right, I
mean it was a huge deal in sports.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Was there a bigger I can't think of a bigger
single day in baseball since then? It doesn't it eclipse
every World Series Game seven that's happened since then.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I don't think a lot of younger people may not
realize what a big deal that was.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Huge. I mean, this was the most sacred record in baseball.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You know, you know who the first player was that
congratulated McGuire when he crossed home play.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I do ill our old friend, Scott's Service, that the
catcher for the I interviewed Scott.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
He was like I got.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
McGuire was not really.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Wanting to do many interviews then because he was just overwhelmed,
and Service became kind of like a go to guy
to talk about, you know a little knowing that in
thirty years he was going to be the manager of
the marriage.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
So I interviewed him a lot back in those days.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
While yeah, hey, Scott, did you enjoy that night, by
the way, that question with you back then? No, he wasn't.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
He wasn't. He never was really too synarchy with me.
He saved that for Dave.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Right, well, you're right about how big it was, and
I'll never forget it. That was the weekend that brock
Heward hit Reggie Davis on the hand of God game,
first game of the year against Arizona State. I went
and saw that game, flew to Saint Louis Sunday morning,
Saw sixty one. Yeah, did my show from KMOX radio
on Monday, SAW sixty two on Tuesday, and went home.
It was just incredible.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
And the other thing was that there was no guarantee
that he was going to hold the record. At the
end of the year, Sammy had like fifty nine or sixty.
I mean he was right behind him, So I mean
Sammy could have gone on a surge and ended up
being the single seed as there a record holder.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Well, now we got some bigger news in baseball today
with Pete Rose being reinstated shoeless Joe Jackson reinstated. So
we're all wondering do you have a Hall of Fame
vote and would you use it on Pete Rose? But
you brought up a point off the air that we
haven't even talked about yet to explain to people how
this process will not work.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Well, I do have a vote.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
You haven't for ten years after you retire, and this
is my first year. I kept an active card last year.
This is my first year with the honorary card, so
I got ten more years of voting. But you're only
on the Hall of Fame Baseball Writer's ballot for fifteen
years after you retired, and that's long gone for Pete Rose.
So never had a ballot with Pete Rose on it.
(05:02):
And never will unless they change the rules or make
some sort of exception.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
So what it does.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
There was a I got a press release from the
Hall of Fame today explaining what the situation is because
I'm still on their mailing list. And there is a
historical committee that considers players who are no longer on
the ballot, and so all the sixteen players who are
(05:29):
reinstated today, and that includes all the black socks from
you know, shoeless Joe Jackson and all his teammates and
Pete Rose will be.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Considered by this committee.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
And then you can guarantee that Joe Jackson and p
Rose are going to be passed forward.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
And then it goes to a golden era.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I think they call it committee of sixteen people who
will vote on those the eligibility, the Hall of Fame
status of those players.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
And it's sixteen people on the committee.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
It's former players, former executives, current executives, historians, and I
think a couple of baseball writers. And you need that's
the same committee that Lou Penella is is probably considered
for Hall of Fame, and you need twelve votes.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Lou has gotten eleven twice, so.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
He's gonna have to get Pete's gonna have to get
twelve votes from this committee to go into the Hall
of Fame. And then that committee will meet in December
of twenty twenty seven. Will be the next time they wow, okay,
they vote. It's during the Winter meetings, and they announced it.
They always announced it on the first day of the
Winter meetings, and they alternate. There's there's various committees. There's
modern players, there's old time players. So they alternate years,
(06:40):
and I think the next year is going to be
a different committee. But the Pete Rose Joe Jackson Committee
will be twenty seven, So the earliest you could go
in the Hall of Fame is twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So everything I said about this being the most anticipated
Hall of Fame vote ever, forget it post right, you know,
talk about the timing, like why now?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And why is Shulis Jackson in the Black Sox lumped in.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
With Pete Rose in this decision? Why wasn't Juliss Jackson
If they're gonna do this to Pete Rose? Now, what
did they do with the Black Socks fifty years ago?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Well, I mean yeah, I mean Pete Rose when he
died that which was nine months ago that sort of
put a new focus on this. And then I mean,
I think a cynical person would say Donald Trump entered
the fray about a month ago when he put out
(07:34):
this blistering tweet or whatever it is, social, whatever his
thing is, truth social, blasting Baseball for for not having
Rose in the Hall of Fame. And and and then
Manfred met with Trump two weeks ago.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Oh interesting, Okay, And I mean it seems like it's
and then suddenly you know Baseball has an anti Trump's.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Exemption that they don't want to lose. So I mean,
I think that's got something to do with the timing
of this. And I think if you're going to do
it for Pete Rose, you got to throw shoeless Joe.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
And right as well. Well.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Okay, so if you're on that committee, then you have
one of those votes.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Are you voting for him?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
You know, to me, it's not an easy decision. I'm
not a hard liner. I vote for the steroids, guys.
I've voted for Bonds ten times. You know, he was
on the ballot ten years. I voted for him every year.
I voted for Clemens every year. So but to me,
this is a worse offense than that. This is the
cardinal sin of baseball. It's there's a sign on every
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clubhouse and there always has been. It's called Rule twenty one.
It came into being because of the black Sauce scandal.
This rule has been there since nineteen twenty one that
if you bet on baseball in any game that you're
involved in, it's a permanent band. I mean, every player
who's ever played knows that rule. And Pete Rose violated that.
(09:04):
It's the I mean, the integrity.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Of the game.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
If fans need to know that the games are are
you know, fair and square and then and this cuts
into that.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
However, I think ultimately I would vote for him because
you know his.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
You can you can put it on the plaque that
he was suspended for betting on baseball. But his h
his feet, the all time hit record was as a player.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Now he was a player manager. This this is more
complicating factor.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
He was a player manager his last two years, so
while he was managing. You know, people say, oh he
was he was a manager not a player.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
But they're suppose right, yeah, uh so there was an overlap.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
But you know, he may have bet on games. I
think he did bet on games where he was playing
and managing.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
So and the fact that he always bet for the
Reds to win.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
To me, that's not that that doesn't clear him, because
you know, as a manager, he could if he has
a bet on a game, he could leave his clothes,
he could have his closer and you know, pitch for
the fourth straight day or something which is to the
detriment of the team, or he could you know, you
manage the game differently if even if you're even if
you're playing to win. I think so, I think there's
(10:23):
integrity of the game issues even though he only bet
on the team to win. But uh, the largest portion
of his career was before all this happened, So I
think I would grudgingly vote for it.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Well, I guess there's just I mean, there's a separation between,
you know, getting kicked out of baseball and just saying, hey,
you cannot attend a game, you can't be at any
functioning j But the Hall of Fame, for me, at
least Larry, is as much for the fans and the
history of a game as it is to reward the player.
And I think what we've done the last thirty years
is take that away from the.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Game itself and from the fans.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Yeah, you look.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I mean the all time hits leader is not in.
The all time home runs leader is not in. The
guy who has the most cy Young Awards, and Roger
Clemens is not in, uh you know, a seven one
hundred home run guy, and Alex Rodriguez is not. I mean, yeah,
I tend to lean towards that viewpoint as well. It's
the Hall of Fame. These players, everyone knows what they did.
(11:27):
You could judge yourself whether right, and you know how
to hold it against them.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I just don't want to cherry pick what history I
want to see recognized and what we don't. I mean,
this is baseball, whether we like it or not. This
is baseball's history. And I love the Hall of Fame.
And I've been there twice at a great time. Both
times I was there, and I think they that that
that the history of the game is what the Hall
of Fame should be about and reflected in the Hall
of Fame, and we leave guys out, Like I agree
(11:51):
with you on Clemens and Bonds. Hey, I mean you
if you read the reports. I mean, by all accounts,
Clemens and Bonds were already Hall of famers when they
started taking steroids time. It was amazing what they did.
But Larry Stone is with us on the radio show,
and I mean, just interesting stuff on how this is
gonna work. So twenty twenty seven would be the first
time that we could vote on this for Hall of Fame.
Twenty twenty eight ceremony then would be when he would
(12:13):
be inducted, which will be three years obviously from this summer.
But what about the team across the street. Hey, we
did a good job of ignoring him for fifteen minutes.
We did. We did well. It took a day for
Baseball to say Pete Rose is eligible for the Hall
of Fame, to ignore the Mariners. But what the hell's
going on? Is there is there a leak in the voters?
There are a crack of the boats.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Well, there's definitely a leak, and we were talking off
the air, and they're facing the guy who right now
is the cy young favorite, Max Freed tonight. Then you
got Logan Evans, who's been shaky going tomorrow. And then
you got three with the Padres, one of the three
best teams in baseball. So you know, this losing streak
could really accelerate and then you got the White Sox.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
I think after that where you can maybe get well
in a series.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
But uh, you know, I think that the loss of
Kirby and Gilbert is finally sort of hitting home. You
know that those guys are so essential to uh the
blueprint for them winning.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
And when they with.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Miller's struggling and Castillo struggling, you don't have that great
pitching every night like you you were counting on. And
then the lineup, I think it was inevitable that they
were gonna hit some bumps too. And you know, you
look at you look at that lineup and there's a
lot of dead spots in that line up there where
they were getting production way over their head from guys
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like Revas and and Williamson for a week or you know,
for his first two weeks, but he's he's hit reality
and first base is still a problem area.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
So there's there's a lot of holes in that lineup.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
And when they're both working together, you have what what's.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Happened in the last four days? What are you saying
with Bryce Miller?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
And and how do you think they're going to handle him?
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Yeah, it's a it's an issue. Uh, it's a big problem.
I'm seeing a guy who.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Has no confidence, who's lost his command, which was his
big thing. Uh, and you have to wonder about his health.
Usually poor command follows poor health, and he's complained about
various things. And but the Mirrors are very cautious organization
when it comes to players health. So I if there
(14:22):
was real concerns about Miller, they would not hesitate to
put him on the I L I'm pretty sure about that.
So they must feel confident that he's okay physically. He
just he needs a game where he goes out and
throws seven shut out innings to get his confidence back.
You know, each of the last three games, the Mirrors
starters have looked really good for four innings, including Miller.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Then that also happened with.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Who else Emerson Hancock last night for four innings he
was holding down the Yankees and then they fell apart
from him in the fifth.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
And it happened then that with Ogan Evans too his start.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
They need to figure out a way to get these
guys deep into games because the bullpen is suffering as.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Well, no doubt. Yeah, Well, Larry Stones with us, and
Larry was last night. It was one of those nights
where you see kind of the good and bad of
Julio had the home run, obviously, and then misplays a
ball in centerfield that went off his glove, and I
think he should have caught that ball. I mean, catches
the top of his glove and then hits the back
of the wall. So if it doesn't touch the glove,
it's probably gonna hit the wall or maybe the top
of the wall and come back in. But he looks
(15:26):
a little off to me, defensively, slightly, And maybe it's
because of T Mobile Park. I have no idea, but
just look at the numbers. He's one hundredth in baseball
and ops right now, one hundredth. That's not why you
signed Julio Rodriguez, right. So Bill Kruever has been on
the show and he's gone on record. He says the
Mariners jumped the gun too early on giving him that contract.
(15:46):
We looked up Tatisse, we looked up Pacunya. Both those
guys had more abs and more games than Julio did.
Do you think privately, in a private moment, the Mariners
would say we shouldn't have done that, or do you
think they still think they made the rock cut right
called locking him up.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I think they still may think they made the right call.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
He may be one hundredth in OPS, but he's also
twenty eighth in war If you check that out, which I.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Looked at, I'm more of an OPS.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I mean that means he's the twenty eighth most valuable
player in baseball by the stat that everybody uses just
to judge value. And that's even and that's with a
poor offensive start. He helps you out in a lot
of different ways, right And you know, I'm encouraged by
the way he is playing right now compared to April
and Mays of other years.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
I think he's way ahead. And that's I mean, if
you look at.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
This last two weeks, he's hitting three over three hundred
with with pop. So I think he's trending in the
right direction. You know, I think you can make the
case that they jumped the gun. But he was coming
off to top ten MVP seasons, finishing in the top ten.
You know, if you had waited to sign him and
(16:57):
he continued along that trajectory, he was going to price
himself out of the market. So and if you look
at his yearly salaries.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
It's eighteen million.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yeah, it's not prohibitive. It's for a long time, but
he's not you know, he's not being overpaid compared to
other stars at all.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
And by the time that contract's over, Larry, the last
two or three years, that contract, eighteen.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Million is going to be the average salary in baseball.
The average salary in baseball. That sounds like something I've
been saying for the past ten seasons. By the way,
thank you, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
No, I agree with with what Dick just said.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
That you throw the total out there with, you know,
the three hundred four hundred million, it sounds absurd, but
when you break it down, he's not hamstringing them right now,
and he's not overpaid.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Right Hey, Larry, before you go, I don't want to
get an NBA thought from you, because Adam Silver was
on Serious XM today and kind of for the first time,
I think, went on record and said, yes, we will
be discussing expansion in July. He's mentioned Seattle now by
name numerous times. He's mentioned Vegas by name numerous times.
Is it getting to a point now where you think
(18:06):
this is all just about dotting the eyes and crossing
the T's.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Probably the timing, though, remains a mystery. I mean, he's
been teasing it for so long, but I'm I remain
really hopeful that it's gonna happen, and it happened here.
A lot of my hope is based on the Liwikis
and their connection right in the NBA. I think, I
think they know the right people, and I think they
(18:31):
know how to get this done. And I mean, I
don't see how the NBA can expand and not expand
to Seattle. And you know when exactly that's going to happen,
I don't know. But if I were a betting man
like Pete Rose, I would say that.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
I would bet on Seattle getting a team.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I love it. Hey, how many people in town I
have that passed by the way that you have that
life ten years past to go to any baseball stadium
in the country.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Jim Street, Okay, Bob Sherwin. I think those are the
only two that many.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
It's a lifetime pass, not a ten year pass. He's
a ten year voting, but he's got a lifetime. This
is the real life version of Charlie Bucket from Willie Walker.
He's got the golden ticket. Hey, tuck that thing in
your shirt. Somebody may try to rip it off when
you walk down the street, or more likely I'll lose
it because I lose them.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
You asked me about or union asomy, but you were
talking about things that you emulate your father.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
We have both had a tendency to misplace things. Hey,
you're the man. Appreciate this, Larry. We're talking a week
by all right? Thanks? All right, Larry Stone the absolute
best with us on the radio show. That is so
freaking cool that he's got that pass and he deserves it. Man,
I hope he's hanging around forever at the park. All Right,
we're gonna break. We're gonna hear from Dan Wilson. I
believe Chris Daniels is gonna join us as well at
(19:53):
five forty five and talk about with today's announcement of
the Blazer sale means. And by the way, did you
forget something new? We need some PGA picks.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Out of you.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well that's tomorrow. That is tomorrow. I'm getting old. I
thought today was Wednesday. What I talk about, what we take,
we get do it today? How about going is what
I'm taking from my dad? All Right, we're here on
a busy Friday, and Jenny's on First on ninety three
three kJ r.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
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Speaker 2 (20:37):
By the way, update from the Cavaliers Pacers game tailor
two cors It's now fifty six fifty two Cleveland at
the half, by the way against Indiana. Yeah, that was
pretty good timing there. I'm bad, Yeah, not bad at all.
And the live line are talking about Nuggets.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
Thunder.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
We'll get going at six thirty f you Thunder, Let's
go Nuggets, Come on baby. But Dan Wilson Mariners are
going to turn this thing around against the Yankees tonight,
and they'll have to do it against Max Freed, who
might be the best pitcher in baseball for spending all
those years in at Land and now with the Yankees.
Dan Wilson with the media bere for tonight's Game two against.
Speaker 9 (21:11):
The Yankees, Game two of the series today, Brian will
on the on the hill for us. You know, Brian
has pitched so well for us here in the in
the early going, so looking forward to to a great
outing from from him, and and uh, you know Max
Freed on the other side, obviously, you know, a tough
customer in his own right, and so you know, offensively,
(21:31):
we'll be ready tonight. But uh, you know, again looking
to bounce back as as we have and as we
continue to, you know, through this homestand but uh, you know.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
It's a good night for that.
Speaker 9 (21:45):
Paulod On one up today any particular reason for no,
just just uh, you know, giving him a little bit
of a rest here at this point. And uh, you know,
that's that's what we're looking for today for him. And
you know he's available if if if needed, but no
setbacks from now from right.
Speaker 10 (22:03):
And you guys have done really well against some quality
left handed pitching this season. Uh Scooball Crochet, How have
those games? How can those games and those wins kind
of help you guys facing free today?
Speaker 9 (22:15):
Yeah, I mean I think you know, you definitely draw
confidence from from those types of games, and and uh,
you know tough, those were tough lefties for sure in
their own right. And and tonight's another one. But you
know the way these guys, you know, set their approach.
Get ready for a guy like that, you know, I
know they'll be ready and and uh we've done it
(22:35):
before and and hopefully tonight's another night where we can
do it again.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
When you when you watch Freed, what what makes him as.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Effective as he is?
Speaker 9 (22:42):
I mean, you know, uh, he's got he's just got
good stuff and and able to command it uses his cutter. Well,
I think this is a guy that, uh, you know,
he's got such movement on his pitches that that you know,
it's it's a bit unpredict double. So you know, you
just got to be able to be ready when you
(23:04):
get a pitch it's it's hittable.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
And and be aggressive on it.
Speaker 9 (23:07):
And uh that's that's why I know our guys are
gonna be ready to do.
Speaker 10 (23:10):
Justin mentioned at the beginning of the Homestead that potential
bullpen are going back on the mount for Logan was
on the option depending on how how is pre game.
Is that still the plan that you know of.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
Or uh yeah, I mean I think he's throwing a
pen right now as we speak, and and once he does,
then we'll we'll have a little bit more of an update.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I'm sure Dan with Vie we know what he's all
about when he's at us peak.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Where do you get the assessment of where he's at
right now mentally since the beginning of this Homestand.
Speaker 9 (23:38):
Yeah, I mean I think, uh, you know, he's he
has really swung that well. And and uh, I think
when you look at you know what he has done
over the last several games, and and uh, you know,
has not struck struck out very much at all, and
and has really been finding a lot of barrels. A
drop a ball last night out of the ballpark, So
you know when you see him, he has been driving
(24:01):
the ball to the right field. And also you know,
being able to pull the ball. That's when you know
he's in a really good spot. And I think we've
seen that from him and continues to have outstanding at bets.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
There's nothing more mundane than everyday meetings with baseball managers
in the media.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
I never understood why they did it everywhere.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Well, Larry a first day of the series type. I
was talking Larry about that off the air that I
think they should do. Okay, so you meet with them
with the media before the first game of every series
and then after every game because there's a game to
talk about recap and then if something comes up, like
an injury or whatever special, then you meet with him
and Larry's like, oh, we got to do notebooks every day.
We gotta write articles a well, you know, screw you.
(24:40):
I mean, what about everybody else? But are we.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Writing based upon what they're saying? He says hour and
a half before the game.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
He says, there's enough stuff that comes out every day
that you can fill an entire notebook.
Speaker 8 (24:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I look, I mean the baseball wants it because they
want people to engage with the game, and I get that.
I think there's too many games period. That's one of
my biggest problems. I think it should be like one
hundred and twenty game season. But can you imagine like
lou Panella being asked, hey, uh are you aware of that?
Like is that still a plan? Son? Are you asking
me if I know what's operating? I mean, what the hell?
(25:12):
And I've kind of feel bad for some of these
people having to ask these It's really hard, and I mean, look,
I mean, like I bust their balls a little bit.
I'm not there. I could be the one asking questions,
but I'm kind of on the ear. So it's kind
of hard. I think it's really hard to be a
baseball writer and ask questions every single freaking day, twice
per day. You're doing pregame, you're doing postgame. How many
(25:33):
times did we hear lou Panella postgame press conferences or
even pregame meetings with the media where there'd be large
gaps of silence yes, in between the questions. I mean,
it's crazy, do you ask well?
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I guess in yes, In the era of social media
and the era of the internet, obviously you can pump
stuff out instantaneously based on what Dan Wilson said. But
what would Larry have done with the information he got
in nineteen eighty six between Like you would have put.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
In a notebook in the paper the next day, that's
what he's talking about. It would have been an in
a newspaper article the next morning. I don't know, ask
him next time you have them on I just I'm
with you. I mean, I think most would have been
after the game. You can ask him. You can ask
anything before the game, after the game, right, Yeah, Well,
I don't know, man. I mean, it's it's it's part
(26:23):
of the deal. It's what makes baseball unique.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I mean, you're talking about a guy that's gonna meet
with the media three hundred and twenty four times, literally,
three hundred and twenty four times throughout the year he
will meet with the press. That is crazy. All Right,
We're gonna break Chris Daniels. What's going on with the
Seahawks sale? The Blazers are up for sale? What does
that mean for the Sonics? What does it mean for
the Seahawks? What does it mean for the Sounders? What
(26:46):
about the expansion talk going on? Are we gonna see
some announcements soon about an ownership group. Is Jeff Bezos
gonna be involved? What's the deal? Chris Daniels will join
us next on ninety three to three KJRFM.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
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Speaker 11 (27:15):
Obviously, I know there's tremendous interests in Seattle. I know
there's tremendous interest in Las Vegas and several other cities
as well. That whether I've read about the interest or
you know, have heard indirectly from others. Just to be clear,
we haven't begun any sort of process. So even to
the extend cities have reached out, we've said thank you
for your interest, but we're not ready to take meetings yet.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That is the voice of Adam Silver. By the way,
just a random topic.
Speaker 7 (27:40):
Cop.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I love Jimmy's I love being here. These seats make
my button number Now what happened to you too? These
are actually better than the ones we have on Monday?
Got Monday? Oh what the queen you means? Yeah, we
gotta we gotta invest in some new chairs for the
queen man. But my ass is like numb sitting in
these things. It's we don't how many padding, very bony butts.
(28:02):
I also have no ass. You're right back when I
was two seventy, man, it was easy for it a
huge ass. It's like a parachute freaking thing. With Speaking
of a guy who's got a very very nice backside,
he's also very well dressed. I would vote for him
as the best dressed member of the CEM. He's always dapper.
I love the handkerchief is always a good call. Unbelievable Christaniels,
(28:22):
how many how many different suits do you have? How
many combinations do you have in your closet at home?
Speaker 7 (28:27):
By the way, I'd say a couple dozens. It's all
about the pocket square. I can tell you more about
pocket square than I can about padding.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Really, what's the what's the key, what's the secret there?
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Yeah, it's all about matching up the pocket square with
the shirt. And really the pocket square is the new tie.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
That's right. I mean, are you a solid pocket square guy?
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Or do you like the plaid and the you know,
the florals and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
I love it all. I love to mix it up, Dick.
It's it's really all about the shirt, the shirt, suit coat,
sport coat and pant combination. I can tell you all
about that. I cannot tell you about the patting that
Jimmy's on. Person.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Well, you do it better than anybody. Mess So keeping
up whatever you're doing, it's working. But Chris Daniels again
is with us on the radio show, and Chris let's
first of all talk about the words by Adam Silver
today kind of I guess officially right going on record,
although I think he may have insinuated this before. That
there will be some expansion discussion this July at the
(29:30):
owner meetings. How significant you think would this be? Should
this be for basketball fantasy?
Speaker 7 (29:36):
Well, you know, as we have discussed before the NBA,
Adam Silver David's turn before him very very careful about
the verbiage that is used and exactly how the ball
is advanced in this particular case. I mean, we just
heard him in April say, hey, in July, we might
(29:57):
talk about this. We heard him last say we're going
to talk about this in the fall, and then this season,
and so he's always very careful with how he words things.
But this is the first time that he said will
be on the agenda, which seems definitive that they're going
to talk about something and likely, I think, if you
(30:18):
read between the lines, talk about forming an expansion committee
to further study what they've already been studying now for years.
And you both know this that they've been looking at
the arena, they've been looking at climate Pledge, They've obviously
met with groups in Seattle, they've studied this for a while.
But the next step is going to be an expansion committee.
(30:39):
And I think if you read between the lines and
what he said to Sirius XM. That's what he's laid
out here is potentially a July meaning to announce a
expansion committee that could make a decision by later this year.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Do you believe the expansion committee is a simple rubber.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
Stamp at this point? You would think so. But I
also know that there has been pushback internally in the NBA,
James Dolan in particular, the owner of the Knicks, about
further expansion. What is interesting in this whole discussion, though,
is what happened just today with the Allen Estate announcing
(31:17):
that the Blazers are formally for sale, that they have
held off from that, as you know, making any sort
of declaration saying that they're going to put them up
for sale. That fits into this mix too, and it
may be, I think a bit different than what we've
discussed with the Celtics in the past, with that deal
being or that team being put up for sale after
(31:40):
the NBA Finals last year. That seems to have been
one of the hurdles moving forward for the NBA on expansion,
the idea that they have to set a price, in
this case six billion dollars that still needs to be finalized.
The Blazers are not going to go for six billion dollars.
But what could happen in this scenario is the NBA
want to set a price tag on expansion so they
(32:02):
can raise the price the value of the Blazers by saying,
let's do expansion first, Let's get it out there. Let's
set the bar at four or five billion, because overnight,
that will raise the value of the Blazers. If you
do it the other way around, you potentially have a
lower asking price for an expansion franchise. So I think
that all does play into this discussion. Whether it muddies it,
(32:24):
I think we're going to have to hear in the future.
I mean, those comments from Silver were made less than
twenty four hours before the announcement of the Blazers being
for sale, so it perhaps muddies the waters a bit
going forward, But it could also be good news because
the NBA will want to lay this out for expansion
before they go and sell the Blazers.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Well, Chris Daniels, there was a senior reporter for Como News,
not a junior reporter or senior reporter.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
For Como News, otherwise known as old Man.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
That's right. The og is with us on the air
and feel free to fill in the blanks here in
my timeline. But Chris Hansen announces he's going after the
return of the NBA, and then he brings on Wally,
he brings on I think the Nordstroms he brings didn't
Russell Wilson become a part of that at some point
or whatever. So remember, there was a there was a public,
(33:16):
very public facing ownership group. Here's the people, here's who
we are. We're going after the NBA. Are we going
to see that you think in the next maybe month
or a couple of months, where the ownership group comes forward,
Here's who we are, here's who is in our group. Well,
Jeff Bezos be a part of that. Will there be
some kind of announcement by them, like there was with
(33:39):
Chris Hanson before he got that deal done with the
maloofs that eventually fell apart.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
Yeah, I mean they were geared up to do that
back in September October, when all the pieces were aligning
or seemingly aligning for an announcement about an expansion committee.
In September October. You know this, the NBA had the
exhibition game, the rain City Classic at the Climate Pledge arena.
There was a lot that was teed up to be
(34:04):
announced at that time before the NBA pulled back because
largely because of that Celtics transaction that needed to be settled.
I think what you know I'm hearing on the ground
is is people want to be very cautious here. You
hear the line over and over. We don't want to
get ahead of the commissioner. That is a card that
you play when you're trying to finalize a deal, a
(34:26):
lot like what we saw with the Kraken in getting
the NHL to commit to Seattle. It is Hey, we
have David Bonderman, we have these other people involved, Let's
close this deal. Let's get this arena deal over the
finish line. That's when you play that card in this
big stakes poker game with the NBA. And I think
that's why you haven't heard from those people yet about
(34:49):
their interest in being the majority minority owner. Saman's Holloway
has said she's interested publicly in being part of an
NBA franchise, so that her name is out there, but
others are are kind of hanging in the shadows right
now that some of the whales that potentially want to
be involved here because of well, I think Andy Jassey
(35:16):
is a is a name to watch in the discussion
here who is leading Amazon right now? Bezos has has
moved his stakes to Florida. Uh in what he would
come back, Obviously, the NBA would love to have him involved.
Amazon is already a partner, uh with the NBA. So
I think there's a natural Uh, there's a natural line
(35:36):
to draw there climate Plagerina being the name on the
building as well with the sponsorship agreement with Amazon there,
So I mean you can draw those lines. And Andy
Jassy already being involved with the Kraken I think is
a name to watch as well.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Chris is the timing of the Blazer's sale announcements a
day impact the Seahawks sale at all?
Speaker 7 (35:59):
I don't think so. But it's the most forthright comment
we've had from the Allen of State that this was
part of his wishes to sell the Blazers after his
death for that money to go to philanthropy. The Seahawks,
they are saying, are not for sale, but now that
(36:20):
that provision has sunset, and so to speak, on the
ten percent tax that the Allen estate or a new
owner would have to pay to the state. And just
for a quick background, that was written into the referendum
to the deal to build lumen Field back in nineteen
ninety seven was if the team was sold before last year,
(36:42):
that there would be a ten percent tax that would
have to be paid to the state that is now
sunset it. So that seems to be out of the
way in terms of a hurdle for the Seahawks to
be sold. But I don't believe that the Blazers sale
is connected one way or the other to the Seahawks sale.
But we are talking about a lot of money with
those two teams eventually going to philanthropic efforts in the community.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Ye, Chris Daniels, come on news, phenomenal stuff as always,
keep up the great work and we will talk down
the road, my friend.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
Thanks Chris, good luck with the cushions.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Thank you, my friend. My ass is still number by
the way, it's getting numbered by the hour.
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