May 15, 2025 • 33 mins
In the first hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Mike Florio about Aaron Rodgers, the NFL schedule release and flexing, plus the Seahawks line for wins this season and season ticket holder usage, then the guys discuss big Seattle heartbreaks.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Where we go. Fans always texted and say, hey, how
come you didn't ask for this? How come you didn't
ask that? How come you didn't ask it this way?
How come you didn't ask it that way. Brian Schmetzer
is one of those guys where you could have him
on the ear tonight and say, man, you guys really
sucked what happened, and he'll be fine with that. He'll
be totally fine.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I can ask the question exactly how I presented into
the update with Jackson Softy, and I had good better
than the team.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I don't know if it's just him or if it's
just his relationship with us. I got no idea. Agreed,
he is tremendous. So we're fired up to have that continue,
that partnership with the sounders and the weekly show with
Brian Schmetzer. We'll do that tonight five forty five. Mike
Florio is going to join us, by the way, in
a matter of minutes here on the radio show. Normally
on Wednesday, but we wanted to wait until today to
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get the scheduled out so we can talk to Mike
about all of that stuff. I'm curious also to get
Mike's take by the way on this season ticket management
thing that we talked about yesterday with the Seahawks and
them threatening to yank your tickets if you sell too
many seats during the regular season, and you know what,
it doesn't happen very often. It really doesn't. Because I've
been working with a guy now for thirty one years.
(01:06):
Rarely does he make a good point. But Richmore made
one today. Wow, okay, off off the air. He well,
he brought up the point about the conversation that we
had a few weeks ago about what the Cracking are
doing right with the concessions. Ticket prices are dropping, everything
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that they're doing over there, and then compare that to
the Seahawks saying, well, if you sell too many seats,
you can't have your tickets. It's like, what the hell
I mean, It's a totally different approach. And I get
it that one team has a longer history in this town,
had a longer history of success all that stuff. And
you know, look, I don't know how many road fans
the Crack and get for games, but it's obviously more
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prevalent at lumen Field. There's no question about that. But
it just kind of hit me and I said, this
to you yesterday, Dick on the air. This email the
Hawks set out the other day just didn't land well
with me. You know, I don't like buying something that
somebody tell me what I can do with it. Number One,
I would like to have Seahawk fans take my seats
if I can't go to a game, but if they
end up in the hands of the highest bidder, and
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the highest bidder is offering hundreds of dollars more than
the second bedder, guess what I'm doing. I'm selling my
damn tickets. And I know, I know a lot of
people would also agree with that, who maybe financially aren't
as lucky to be in a position that I am.
But I just think you compare with the Seahawks announced
yesterday to what the Kraken announced a month ago, and
it could not be too polar opposite. No, that's right.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I having said I think he's right, But having said that,
I didn't have a problem with it because I'm one
of those fans, ye that is really irritated when I
go to Seacoks.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I am one of those fans get irritated before the game, though,
like when you're walking in.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
No, I'm not irritated until I sit in my seat
and I look over and there's two forty nine er
jerseys next to me, and it's just like, really get it? Yeah,
come on, I don't want to sit next to this.
And most of the people I sit next to with
those two seats that I talked about yesterday that has
always filled with a road fan. Most of them are nice,
and most of them realize that, hey, I'm in a
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road city, I'm in a road stadium. I should probably
not be a total ass, But twice a year probably
there's that guy, and I just don't like to sit
next to that guy for three hours.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Well, then why don't you move to the You have
four seats, is that right? You so move to the
other side. I have make your mom sit there.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I have I've done that before.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I've tapped Mom, get over here.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I'm not moving. I'm not moving. Dad, he's ninety three wherever?
Dad kidding me?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Dad, gonna stay there, moving seats right, I've moved my son.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I've had my like Dixon, you sit next to this.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I want to let your son deal with it. Man,
for God's sakes, I mean, I don't know what for me,
and I understand what you're saying. Obviously, nobody wants tens
of thousands of the opposing fan base in your town.
But a little bit of trash talk right with the
people around you when it's gonna happen inevitably. I think
it's kind of what adds to the flavor, to be
honest with you, as some of these games. All right,
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let's get to it. Florio joining us right now.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
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Speaker 1 (04:24):
Dick all right here he is the king of all
NFL media. Typically on a Wednesday with us, but we
decided that with the NFL schedule coming out yesterday at five,
that we would like to have Mike on the next
day to talk about the schedule. That's partly true. The
other half of that story is that the phone lines
went down yesterday, and so we just said the hell
with it. So we are honored to have the leader
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of the NFL Press Corps, heavyweight champion of all NFL media,
Pro Football Talk dot Com, the NFL on NBC, our friend,
Michael Florio, How are you, Pelle.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
I'm glad you told the truth because I was going
to put you on blast and it's not entirely one
hundre percent accurate from my perspective. It went something like this, Oh, no,
our phones are down. Will you do zoom from your phone?
Here's how you do zoom from your phone. Download this,
download that, press this, press that, and I finally said
I should do this tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Okay, But the fact that you don't have Zoom on
your phone and the fact that you kind of panicked
a little bit when we talked about having to go
on a browser, I mean, is this an issue for you,
this technology thing?
Speaker 5 (05:27):
You misconfused? My panic? If misconfused is even a word
with me? Wanting to not be bothered at all, and
you're not paying me nearly enough to do anything more
than answer the.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Phone and talk. Well, Mike Florio is with us, all right,
let's get to it. So there's a conspiracy theory going
around that the NFL scheduled the Steelers and Jets for
Week one so Aaron Rodgers could play the Jets after
he signs with Pittsburgh. Do you buy that.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Well, the Steelers are going to play the Jets at
some point this year in New Jersey, and given what
happened Aaron Rodgers two years ago on the fourth snap
of the first game of the season, it probably makes
sense to make that game happen Week one. Mike North,
who's now in charge of putting the schedule together for
the NFL, acknowledged after the schedule came out that if
they had known Aaron Rodgers was going to be a Steeler,
that would have been not a one o'clock Eastern game.
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It would have been a primetime game, a night game.
It would have been more compelling, frankly than Viking Bears
on Monday night to start and to end technically Week one.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
So phone still down?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Seriously good kidding me right, purpose.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
I don't know what happened on him. Okay, you just
did you lose it?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Hey hit the open again? We got now, go ahead,
finish your thought.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
But anyway, my point is this, if they had known
that Rogers is going to be a Steeler. I think
that one o'clock Eastern game Steeler Jets would have been
a night game. And he shows there's value in the theory.
I had that Rogers needed to just wait once we
got within two weeks the schedule release. Don't tell the
league you're doing it, because if they start scheduling a
bunch of Pittsburgh Pronton games, they're accepting the risk of
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being a Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And when it comes to the schedule, Mike, Now, the
good teams are gonna be good regardless who they play.
The bad teams are gonna be bad. But those twenty
teams in the middle that are all divided, you know,
decided by two games or so, how much does it
matter in your mind? You know, the net rest days,
you know, how many short weeks that sort of thing.
As far as what they're end of the season schedules
are record's going to be.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
I think everything potentially matters. Everything potentially affects the way
a team adapts or a dozen adapts to the weekend
and week out grind and the best way to go.
And Eric Mangini told me this years ago when he
was coaching the Browns and their schedule for twenty ten
was all one o'clock Eastern games on Sunday, and he said,
I love that. It's a routine, it's a rhythm. We
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aren't disrupted, we aren't distracted, we aren't Sunday night here
and Monday night there. And of course that was before
Thursday night. But you look at the chief schedule and
they embrace being on these big platform games, even if
it means having no rhythm whatsoever to their schedule. They
don't play in the same window in consecutive weeks until
week fifteen and sixteen. I think that there's value in
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having regularity in your schedule, having easy games early. If
you're trying to prove yourself with new coach, new players,
new whatever, and you want to really get off to
a good start, you get a soft start, a soft
launch in September, and you get out to a three
and one, four and oh five and two record. All
of a sudden, everything looks better and that gives the
team confidence, and confidence leads to more confidence. Conversely, if
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you come out zero and four, one and five, whatever
the case may be, you feel like you're digging out
of a hole the rest of the year. So the
configuration of games is critical. How easy, how hard it is,
how much rest you get. It all adds up and
it's all relevant. And the NFL doesn't really care about
the competitive balance. If they did, everybody had the same
number of time time games, everybody has the same number
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of short weeks. They just want the big audience as possible,
and that gives an advantage to the teams that they
think are going to be bad.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Well, I think there, Mikeah, you correct me if I'm wrong.
There's three teams that don't have as of now, any
primetime games. I think the Browns are one of them,
and the Titans kind of surprise number one pick in
the draft and there's no primetime games for the Titans.
Can you remind people which is Copher? Remind me how
the flex situation works now with Thursday night and Sunday
night football.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Well, and also the Saints, for the first time in
twenty five years, don't have a primetime game. So what
happens with the flex after week? Can I believe Sunday
nights flex it can start. I'd have to research when
specifically the Monday and Thursday can start. They change the
amount of notice for Thursday night, flexing from four weeks
down to two weeks. They don't care about the fans
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who pay for the tickets and show up for the
games and possibly have travel arrangements to far away city
that suddenly get changed when that game that was going
to be played on Sunday afternoon all of a sudden,
he's yanks to Thursday nights. They don't care about that.
They care about the biggest possible audiences. They made this
strategic decision at some point that all that matters is
the biggest rating, the biggest audience that leads to the biggest,
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multi billion dollar cash grab from the various network partners.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
And that's why.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
You'll see the popular teams are the teams they think
they're going to be popular. You know, I feel bad
for teams like the Falcons and the Dolphins who haven't
done anything to merit five prime time games. They're getting
treated like they're a good team and they're not. It's
one thing to saddle a good team with a bunch
of night games. You put a bad team or a
medium team in that setting, and it's more likely they're
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going to be bad. So again, they'll do whatever they want,
and they'll keep pushing the envelope, and at some point
they're going to be able to change the schedule whenever
they want, you mark my words. At some point in
the not too distant future, flexing will begin as early
as Week one. If they want to bail out of
a bad game because of a big injury and put
another game in there, they'll do it.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Mike, we're trying to figure out as a group here
why Seahawks, who won ten games last year with arguably
better quarterback and a second year head coach instead of
a rookie head coach are now seven and a half
over under on the win total. What is Vegas seeing
or worried about with this football team because it seems
like easy money.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Well, and I.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Think it's all a matter of perception and betting trends.
That's what determines who bets over and who bets under
and where the sweet spot eventually lands. So there's equal
betting on each side. That's what Vegas wants on all
of these profits. They want equal betting on each side.
They're not trying to set a trap. They want people
to go equally on over and under, and right now
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the Seahawks are in a bit of change. We don't
know that Sam Darnold's performance from last year is going
to carry over. He finished so poorly in Minnesota with
that horrible Week eighteen game that they could have won
and been the number one seed if he wasn't air
mailing passes in the red zone. And then by the
playoff game it didn't matter. It was a total team failure.
So now that reality settles in for the Seahawks, Yeah,
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I don't think seven and a half is unreasonable. And again,
all they is trying to do is make your money,
and the best way to make your money is to
get half of the people to bet half of the
money on one side and the other half to bet
the other half on the other side.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Mike, the Vikings are playing back to back international games.
They're going to go to Ireland and then stay out
there and go to London in the Tottenham Stadium. How
did that happen? Like, do the Vikings have to agree
to do that? Is that a problem for the players?
What's your thought on that?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Oh? I think it's an advantage for the Vikings because
if you're going to go anyway, all the way across
the ocean. Why not play two games. And if you're
giving up two traditional road games, they get an edge
there because now they only have seven instead of nine
road games where they go into a visiting stadium where
the home team is comfortable, the road team is uncomfortable, unless,
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of course, the fans of the home team have sold
a bunch of the tickets to the fans of here
you guys talking about that on the way in. But
I think for the Vikings, if you're going anyway, let's
do two games, Let's try to get two wins, and
then the rest of the conference mostly and definitely the
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rest of the NFC North, they have nine true road games,
not seven, So the Lions have to go to Cincinnati
and Baltimore. The Vikings get their AFC North road games
at a neutral site. That's one of those subtle little
things that can end up making a difference when we
get to the end of the season. We know how
tight the margins are and what separates one seed, two seed,
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three seed, five seed, seven seed, whatever. Those little things
can make a difference. So if you're gonna go anyway,
it's a net plus for the Vikings to avoid two
road games.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Well, Mike, you mentioned the tickets there, and the Hawks
reportedly are cracking down on season ticket holders reselling their tickets,
warning that excessive reselling could be grounds to revoking their
renewal rights.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Your thoughts on that and how prevalent is that around
the league.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Well, this is one of the unintended consequences of scalping
becoming completely and totally accepted. It's amazing we look at
gambling and how the stigma has disappeared over the past
seven years. It was seven years ago yesterday the US
Supreme Court opened the floodgates for legalized state by state wavering. Meanwhile,
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the whole scalping thing, there was never a title wave.
There was never a moment where it's like, hey, scalping
is going to be legitimate now. I remember when I
was a kid, there was always shady guys hanging around
with the laminated cardboard. I need tickets, and I'm thinking, man,
they really want to go to the game. They went
this tick, I want tickets so bad? You played codd
is signing plastick and I didn't know they were trying
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to buy and resell and it was happening everywhere and
now you just get on your phone and the NFL
gets a piece and the teams get a piece. Okay, well,
you want to let people easily resell tickets, here's what's
gonna happen. You're gonna have a bunch of people who
are trying to turn a profit on their tickets. And
now we see this push. Whether it's the Seahawks, there
are other teams that have done it too. The Buccaneers
have put a program in place that if you're going
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to sell your tickets, they want to buy them first
so they can definitely resell them to people who they
know are going to go and root for the Buccaneers.
But the Packers were the ones back in February that
made the most ways because they've got that ridiculously long
waiting list, and they told their fans that if you
sell all of your tickets, resell all of your tickets
in multiple years, we're taking them back. There's no chance
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to state your case like the Seahawks are giving. You'd
sell all your tickets in multiple years and we are
reclaiming the season ticket right, And you know, people act
like they've got some legal rights to it. You don't
have any legal rights to it. The team owns the ticket,
they can do whatever they want. They can refuse service
to anyone and they will.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Sure, But how many places do you go somewhere and
purchase something and then be told by the business that
you bought it from that there's limits to what you
can do with it after you buy it. It's yours,
it's mine.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Well, you don't buy it, then I'll buy it. Then
the pack is. It's not like selling someone a car
and saying here's how you drive it. A ticket to
a game is a license to be present at an
event that the team owns. So don't don't start making
these disingenuous arguments with me. I will tear you apart.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I'm just telling you, well, Mike, you're exactly right. If
I don't like it, then the hell with it. And
you know what, there's a lot of people that will
go down that road. Fine, I don't want you to
tell me what to do with my tickets. I'm done,
I'm out. So maybe maybe that's true, that's that's the point.
Maybe that's what they want. Maybe they want to get
tickets back and resell them. I don't know, man, All right, Mike,
great stuff, really well, done with the idea to move
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this to today. Appreciate it and we're talking a week man, Mike,
You got all right, Mike Florio with us. See there's
always that pause, right, there's always the pause at the end.
He's thinking about something, smart ass, and if he can't
think of anything, he just says goodbye. Let's get to
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Speaker 1 (17:10):
I'll tell you what we should have done tonight. By
the way, what time is a tip off of the
Nugs thunder who we didn't want to head down there
by the way for just a quick minute games in Denver?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Was that correcting? Okay? Shockey? Well? Well yeah, maybe you
I mean this is it? I mean, is the official
radio home for nugget basketball in Seattle. Uh Softie Dick
Jackson Show from three to seven. Don't we have an
official correspondent down there in Denver? Who's our guy that
we had on last year? What's his name? There's been
a couple of guys. Shaky hooked us up with a
hockey guy, Raj Is that right? Rodge is the hockey guy.
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Who's the basketball guy we had because he was good?
Whoever that guy is, let's get him on the air.
We gotta find out if our team is ready for
the challenge tonight against the Thunder. You Thunder, I think
they're ready.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I about Grant Brandon Cristal, we can get him on.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, there's a guy we had on I forget his name, Jackson,
you know the guy that I'm talking about. He was
on a year ago. I'll figure it out, but we
need to We need to get down there because this
is this is it, baby, this is the big one tonight.
I just kind of I got a funny feeling dick
about this game tonight. I don't know why it's this
one tonight. If the Thunder win tonight and dispatch of Denver,
they're gonna win the whole damn thing. I feel like
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they lose tonight. If they lose tonight, then maybe the
Nuggets got a shot at getting him in Game seven.
It's a one game for the whole Enchilada. I just
got a weird feeling. Who's the guy with Darren McKee.
Darren McKee called Darren, See if he'll jump on the
air with us at like four thirty or something talk
some nuggets, because we got to get we gotta get
somebody on the air to give us the vibe if
our boys are ready to handle these guys tonight in Denver.
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There he is. There's the big man himself. Here's a
jokerd joker, get it done, baby. We were talking to
Florio earlier about the over under in Vegas for the
Seahawks and seven and a half, and nobody here can
understand why that number is so low, right. I Mean
even if you're kind of a Seahawks cinec, I think
you would think, Man, they won ten games a year ago.
Maybe they take a step back and they win eight
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or nine whatever, But seven and a half, I mean
that's a guys, that's a seven and ten season. That's
like people talking about getting fired. If they go seven
and ten, all the trades they've made, they've done, blowing
up the roster, that would be an absolute disaster. So
I jumped on Twitter this morning. And this is not
exactly a Twitter poll, by the way, really, but I
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asked just a simple question. I said, for those that
think the Seahawks are going to regress this year, give
me your top two or three reasons why you believe that. Okay,
so doctor Brandon Beal's on Twitter, Sam Donald's way overrated,
big step back for the receiving corps, Roger Venue on Twitter,
difficulty winning at home, which they have had, Sam Donald
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on a new team with new coaches, no continuity in
the offensive line. Our friend, Cigar Concierges is that Jackson Bevans,
by the way, is that his account? That's somebody else. Okay,
quarterback played down, wide receiver, played down offensive line. Still
very subpar. Defense going up, but not enough to offset
the offense. Let's see at Fantasy stud one twelve says
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because they think Gino Smith is good for some reason.
Downgrade at quarterback, downgrade at wide receivers, upgrade to the
offensive line. So a lot of people they're responding to
this why the Seahawks will regress this year? And I
don't know. I mean number one reason given like family feud,
is the quarterback. Number two is the offensive line. Number
three is wide receive.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
There's a huge discrepancy between Seattle sports fans in Vegas,
in both football and in baseball.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
I'll tell you what I mean.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I put a poll out today which we do have.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
An update hang on which team has a better chance
of winning their division this year? Fifty to fifty right now,
absolute fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Now, I would still say it's the Mariners better. Now
let's go to Vegas. It's not close.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
The Mariners are plus one forty five to win the division.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
The Seahawks are plus nine hundred to the division.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
The Seahawks have five times worse odds to win their
division than the Mariners.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
And yet and I.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Just think this this poll is obviously a small segment,
but I think the larger segment of Seattle sports fans
probably thinks it's about even as well.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, well, look, we talked about that before the season began,
that Vegas had the Mariners with the second best dodgs
to win the American League behind the Yankees. Right, So again,
Vegas thinks, like you said for a long time, that
the Mariners have a better shot to be a factor
this year than the Seahawks do. But that's different we're
talking about seven and a half wins. Seven wins, eight
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wins would be a major step back right from where
these guys were a year ago. And I think Kitna
Gobungee on Twitter actually brings up a pretty good point,
John kittne Go Bunchie. Maybe young slash unproven offensive line
that hasn't geled together yet, that's a fact, protecting a
quarterback that is mediocre or worse under pressure with an
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unknown running game. That's truthful. I'm hopeful they won't regress,
but they need a year to figure things out and
the rest of the division is restocked. It won't be easy.
I would ask, says kittnagle Banji.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I would ask John Kittnagobanji, what of those concerns that
you had, which are reasonable concerns, right, We're not concerns
last year and they went ten and seven. It's exactly.
They had no running game, they had a quarterback that
wasn't good under pressure, and they had a leaky offensive
line and they still won ten games. Because everybody is
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forgetting how good this defense is.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Well, if you read the rest of his tweet, he's
banking on the division being better than it was a
year ago. That's me is the is the last thing
he said, this is going to be a tougher division
than it was last season, and I do agree with that.
The Niners Division will be tougher. Let's see Kyle Hoffman,
excuse me, new offense and personnel doesn't click. A line
suffers injuries and continues to struggle. Cornerback position struggles. That's
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a that is a good point because your remember we
talked about Tarik Wohlan last year and it wasn't in
glowing terms, and the Seahawks did not really go out
and do a lot in free agency or the draft
to give him competition. They didn't even give Big Olu
any competition. So a lot of people believe they're going
to be worse than they were a year ago. I
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just don't see them taking that big of a step back.
Can I see him going nine and eight? Yeah, I
could see that.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Look, I mean, injuries are obviously a factor. I mean
it felt like, you know, outside of Kenny Walker and
Seahawks were relatively okay with the injury front. I think
a year ago, no major situations that were a problem
the entire season. I know CA nine was banged up,
but when Sharburney played, he played pretty good. So I'm
just surprised it's that low. If Vegas says eight and
(23:42):
a half, maybe or nine and a half, you know
that I could roll with. But seven and a half
just it kind of feels like easy money. And when
something feels like easy money, it's not. So I would
love to actually get somebody on from Vegas and ask them,
why at your sportsbook are you putting this number so low?
We're going to break. We'll talk more about this. Bill
is gonna join it for coming up on ninety three
to three kJ.
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Speaker 1 (24:23):
I do need to get myself at Denver Nuggets T shirt,
I think, by the way, especially if they take care
of business tonight.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
The only problem with that is that they're probably gonna
be done by the time the T shirts.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Hey, you shut your mouth, man, Wow, They're gonna win
this series and we're gonna get behind them and go
on to root form in the NBA Finals. Can you
come back and do this? It's gonna be the most
painful non sat We talked about this the other day, right,
the most painful non Seattle sports moment for Seattle sports
man got a bracket. It could be you want to
(24:53):
do it tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
I don't know if we can find eight of them?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Well, yeah, what would be bigger than the Thunder winning
the NBA?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Time?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Nothing? We talked about this the other day, right, Like
we said, Okay, when Dennis Johnson went to Boston, when
Griffy hit four hundred, five hundred and six hundred, When
Randy Johnson went to Arizona and won four consecutive Cy
Young's and won the World Series MVP with Kurt Schilling.
I mean, there's a couple of them. I just start
thinking about, like, you know, what if, right, Like what
if what if the Sonics had beaten Denver in ninety
(25:20):
four and they went on to win the NBA Finals
and win the NBA Championship? Would people have been in
a better mood politically to give Howard Schultz and Walley
Walker the money they were looking for for Key Arena,
Because you remember they were looking for like seventy million
dollars or something. It was nothing back in the day.
And so because we could not pooney up a couple
of bucks to help them redo Key Arena, they're now
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playing in Oklahoma City. So if the Sonics win the
NBA Championship in ninety four and don't lose in the
first round to Denver, does that change people's willingness to
spend cash on them. I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I think Frank Chopp would have.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Changed at all.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Oh may he rest in peace, yes, But I don't
think you would have changed it all right.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I mean he was the one that went to to
David Stern when he was down at Olympia.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I bet that when I saw that Frank Chop had died,
that's the first thing I thought of, was this back
and forth with David Stern. With David Stern came.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
But that's what we're Olympia, that's what we're familiar with
with Frank.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Frank Chop did a lot of things in Olympia, but
what we're familiar with sports fans is right how he
treated David Stern.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
So it's not bad because that's my My connection to
Frank Chop is exactly that that's correct. I don't have
any idea what Frank Chopp did outside of that moment
with David Stern when David Stern got his head bitten
off by Frank Chopp at Olympia and basically told to
take a hike by him, which.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Is what prompted David Stern to get all pissy against Seattle.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah, so I think for sports, I mean, hey, he's gone,
you know, may he rest in peace, whatever, all that
stuff that you got to say. But my remembrance of
Frank Chop is, I'm sorry, it's negative. What your here's
here's a negative? What's your remembrance of Gene Godden? Negative? Rites?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
But what what image laughing or ass him laughing?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
On screen?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Nichols is trumpeting the forty five million dollars he just
got from Clayton Bennet.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
I don't think you should feel bad about that either, because,
I mean, life isn't black and white. People aren't black
and white. It's all gray, and perceptions of a human
being from a lot of different places are going to
be different. So you're going to have people who think
about PFA pass in different ways.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Who was the most villainized non Seattle coach or athletes
in Seattle. In the minds of sports fans like I
include Ken Barring as an owner. I mean, Howard Schultz
would be number one, obviously, but then Greg Nichols is
on that list, Frank Chopp is on that list for
some people. Clay Bennett would be on that list obviously, because.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
There's a host of Mariner presidents and owners that would
be on.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Jack Armstrong, Howard Lincoln, right, guys like that.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
It's not I'm trying to find a person for the play,
but like I mean, Darryl Bevill, Pete Carroll. But no,
you can't do either of them because they still won
you titles. You can.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
They will fy them for that.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Just the play.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I think we are owed as Seahawks fans because everybody
has their take on what happened and who is responsible
for that. By the way, and I will just tell
you what I know, all right. I can't tell you
who told me this, But if I told you who
told me this and who this person got this from,
you'd say, well, that makes total sense, okay, that you
would say that what I was told about that play
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is that Pete Carroll was the one that said throw
the ball. Okay, now we can argue about the actual
play itself. We can argue about the execution of the
play itself, the blocking by the wide receivers, the throw
by Russell Wilson. You drop back, nothing there, get rid
of it and live to see a different down. But
the idea that Daryl Bevell was the one that said, no,
we're going to throw the ball and not run it.
(28:37):
I am even more convinced today that that is not true,
that it went down like that. But I do think,
and I think this is a made for pay per
view event. Guys. I just thought of this myself. I'm
an idea guy. I just thought of this. Right now,
we get Darryl Bevell, and we get Russell Wilson, and
we get Pete Carroll. We put them on stage. Now
we shoot them up with what's the drug? They give
you the truth, truth, serum drug whatever. It's called something, fentanyl,
(29:01):
something something whatever. I don't think it may be dead.
You give him that, and you put him on stage
in front of a gazillion people and say, Okay, what happened, Well,
wasn't it wasn't We get to the bottom of this forever.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
I think Pete Carroll was on Marshawn's podcast two years
ago and just blatantly took and you know, just my
call that So he's And that wasn't the first time
Carol has said on multiple.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
That's what he does and that's what he should do.
That coach absolutely great coach does I think, yes?
Speaker 7 (29:34):
But also the fact of how vehemently he's done it,
and then also the fact he's done it multiple times
and just reading between the lines every time he's gone
on about it, I.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Do believe him. Sody and Pentathal. By the way, is
the is the drug that we're talking about? Fentanyl?
Speaker 7 (29:48):
No?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Okay? I mean can you go like into it like
I don't know walgreen, I do not pharmacy. You can
get it at cvsle By the way, we just say
we just get to the bottom. I mean, how many
people would want to watch that? I don't know if
I'd want to watch it, but I'd like to know
the result, right, I'm not sure if I want to
live through it, but I want to know what the
story is so we can be done. Because here we are.
(30:10):
It's ten year, twelve years later, twelve and Seahawks fans
are still bitching at each other about who's fault that. Well, yeah,
that's the thing, and we go back to the original point.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
You're like, what would you have as a bracket, Well,
there's there would be nothing that would top Oklahoma City
winning a championship. So, like the thing, the good thing
about our brackets is that we don't know what the
winner's going to be because usually there's three or four
options that could win.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
That's what the great thing is about a bracket. The
only thing that.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Could potentially be close is if Oregon won a national championship.
But again, that would be for a smaller percentage of
the audience because there's a smaller percentage of people here
that hate Oregon than there is that hate Oklahoma City.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Well that's a good question. Actually, I'm not sure if
that's true or not, to be honest with you, because
the basketball fan hates Oklahoma City. Yes, Well, first of all,
the NBA has been gone a long time, number one
and number two. There are people out there, believe it
or not, that aren't bothered by that as much as
we guys.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Guys, I was out at a birthday dinner last week
with one of my best friends. He's I know, he's
a basketball fan. We talk Huskies all the time. And
we're just casually watching an NBA game on and he
starts talking up the Thunder and I'm kind of I
had to ask him, buddy, are you a Thunder fan?
Like is this a secret you've been holding from me?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
So?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yeah, has this not come up? How old is he?
Speaker 5 (31:28):
This guy?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
In my age? He's thirty two, so he was she
was fourteen when they left. I was like, Uh, that's
old enough. It's old enough. And I would say, I'm no,
excuse me.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
I had this moment where I'm like, I don't know
if if we can be as good a friends anymore.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Good for you? Yeah, good, good for you. Politics and
sports dividing friendships all over the country. I mean, that's
the thing is that if you're twenty four, twenty five
years old, that's a little different, right, But that's the point.
There's a lot of those people out there. But why
would have twenty four year old that was sick even
want even root for the third?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
They'd have some other team because there'd be no tie,
there would be no emotional ties, positive or negative.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Maybe Kevin Duran, maybe they like James Harden, Maybe they
liked him, and him and Westbrook and all those guys
played together. Maybe they like SGA. I got no idea.
I mean, there's a million reasons why somebody would just
adopt the team when they don't have one, for whatever
stupid reason they want to figure out. So I don't know.
I mean, it's a great question what would be more
painful or for the populace, because I can tell you
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what would be more painful personally for me, which really,
in the end, is what this is all about. I mean,
I'm not I'm not saying I don't care what the
populace thinks, but I really don't because this is a
personal thing. More people don't like the thunder, well, that's fine,
and I probably would agree with that. But Oregon winning
a national championship in football, to me, would be more
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painful that Oklahoma City winning the NBA championship for me.
It would for me, it would So four nine, four
or five one? What would be more painful? Because I
got to be honest with you, we're damn Chloe to
maybe both of those things eventually happening, maybe one of
them in like a month. Okay, four nine, four or
five one? All right? We're gonna break Bill Krueger courtesy
of Queen Anne Beer Hall, Moss Bay Hall and the
(33:11):
soon we think to be open Occidental Hall near Lumenfield.
We'll talk to Bill about the Maveneers next on ninety
three three KJRFM
Where we go. Fans always texted and say, hey, how
come you didn't ask for this? How come you didn't
ask that? How come you didn't ask it this way?
How come you didn't ask it that way. Brian Schmetzer
is one of those guys where you could have him
on the ear tonight and say, man, you guys really
sucked what happened, and he'll be fine with that. He'll
be totally fine.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I can ask the question exactly how I presented into
the update with Jackson Softy, and I had good better
than the team.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I don't know if it's just him or if it's
just his relationship with us. I got no idea. Agreed,
he is tremendous. So we're fired up to have that continue,
that partnership with the sounders and the weekly show with
Brian Schmetzer. We'll do that tonight five forty five. Mike
Florio is going to join us, by the way, in
a matter of minutes here on the radio show. Normally
on Wednesday, but we wanted to wait until today to
(00:45):
get the scheduled out so we can talk to Mike
about all of that stuff. I'm curious also to get
Mike's take by the way on this season ticket management
thing that we talked about yesterday with the Seahawks and
them threatening to yank your tickets if you sell too
many seats during the regular season, and you know what,
it doesn't happen very often. It really doesn't. Because I've
been working with a guy now for thirty one years.
(01:06):
Rarely does he make a good point. But Richmore made
one today. Wow, okay, off off the air. He well,
he brought up the point about the conversation that we
had a few weeks ago about what the Cracking are
doing right with the concessions. Ticket prices are dropping, everything
(01:27):
that they're doing over there, and then compare that to
the Seahawks saying, well, if you sell too many seats,
you can't have your tickets. It's like, what the hell
I mean, It's a totally different approach. And I get
it that one team has a longer history in this town,
had a longer history of success all that stuff. And
you know, look, I don't know how many road fans
the Crack and get for games, but it's obviously more
(01:48):
prevalent at lumen Field. There's no question about that. But
it just kind of hit me and I said, this
to you yesterday, Dick on the air. This email the
Hawks set out the other day just didn't land well
with me. You know, I don't like buying something that
somebody tell me what I can do with it. Number One,
I would like to have Seahawk fans take my seats
if I can't go to a game, but if they
end up in the hands of the highest bidder, and
(02:08):
the highest bidder is offering hundreds of dollars more than
the second bedder, guess what I'm doing. I'm selling my
damn tickets. And I know, I know a lot of
people would also agree with that, who maybe financially aren't
as lucky to be in a position that I am.
But I just think you compare with the Seahawks announced
yesterday to what the Kraken announced a month ago, and
it could not be too polar opposite. No, that's right.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I having said I think he's right, But having said that,
I didn't have a problem with it because I'm one
of those fans, ye that is really irritated when I
go to Seacoks.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I am one of those fans get irritated before the game, though,
like when you're walking in.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
No, I'm not irritated until I sit in my seat
and I look over and there's two forty nine er
jerseys next to me, and it's just like, really get it? Yeah,
come on, I don't want to sit next to this.
And most of the people I sit next to with
those two seats that I talked about yesterday that has
always filled with a road fan. Most of them are nice,
and most of them realize that, hey, I'm in a
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road city, I'm in a road stadium. I should probably
not be a total ass, But twice a year probably
there's that guy, and I just don't like to sit
next to that guy for three hours.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Well, then why don't you move to the You have
four seats, is that right? You so move to the
other side. I have make your mom sit there.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I have I've done that before.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I've tapped Mom, get over here.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I'm not moving. I'm not moving. Dad, he's ninety three wherever?
Dad kidding me?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Dad, gonna stay there, moving seats right, I've moved my son.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I've had my like Dixon, you sit next to this.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I want to let your son deal with it. Man,
for God's sakes, I mean, I don't know what for me,
and I understand what you're saying. Obviously, nobody wants tens
of thousands of the opposing fan base in your town.
But a little bit of trash talk right with the
people around you when it's gonna happen inevitably. I think
it's kind of what adds to the flavor, to be
honest with you, as some of these games. All right,
(03:59):
let's get to it. Florio joining us right now.
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Speaker 1 (04:24):
Dick all right here he is the king of all
NFL media. Typically on a Wednesday with us, but we
decided that with the NFL schedule coming out yesterday at five,
that we would like to have Mike on the next
day to talk about the schedule. That's partly true. The
other half of that story is that the phone lines
went down yesterday, and so we just said the hell
with it. So we are honored to have the leader
(04:46):
of the NFL Press Corps, heavyweight champion of all NFL media,
Pro Football Talk dot Com, the NFL on NBC, our friend,
Michael Florio, How are you, Pelle.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
I'm glad you told the truth because I was going
to put you on blast and it's not entirely one
hundre percent accurate from my perspective. It went something like this, Oh, no,
our phones are down. Will you do zoom from your phone?
Here's how you do zoom from your phone. Download this,
download that, press this, press that, and I finally said
I should do this tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Okay, But the fact that you don't have Zoom on
your phone and the fact that you kind of panicked
a little bit when we talked about having to go
on a browser, I mean, is this an issue for you,
this technology thing?
Speaker 5 (05:27):
You misconfused? My panic? If misconfused is even a word
with me? Wanting to not be bothered at all, and
you're not paying me nearly enough to do anything more
than answer the.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Phone and talk. Well, Mike Florio is with us, all right,
let's get to it. So there's a conspiracy theory going
around that the NFL scheduled the Steelers and Jets for
Week one so Aaron Rodgers could play the Jets after
he signs with Pittsburgh. Do you buy that.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Well, the Steelers are going to play the Jets at
some point this year in New Jersey, and given what
happened Aaron Rodgers two years ago on the fourth snap
of the first game of the season, it probably makes
sense to make that game happen Week one. Mike North,
who's now in charge of putting the schedule together for
the NFL, acknowledged after the schedule came out that if
they had known Aaron Rodgers was going to be a Steeler,
that would have been not a one o'clock Eastern game.
(06:16):
It would have been a primetime game, a night game.
It would have been more compelling, frankly than Viking Bears
on Monday night to start and to end technically Week one.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
So phone still down?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Seriously good kidding me right, purpose.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
I don't know what happened on him. Okay, you just
did you lose it?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Hey hit the open again? We got now, go ahead,
finish your thought.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
But anyway, my point is this, if they had known
that Rogers is going to be a Steeler. I think
that one o'clock Eastern game Steeler Jets would have been
a night game. And he shows there's value in the theory.
I had that Rogers needed to just wait once we
got within two weeks the schedule release. Don't tell the
league you're doing it, because if they start scheduling a
bunch of Pittsburgh Pronton games, they're accepting the risk of
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being a Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And when it comes to the schedule, Mike, Now, the
good teams are gonna be good regardless who they play.
The bad teams are gonna be bad. But those twenty
teams in the middle that are all divided, you know,
decided by two games or so, how much does it
matter in your mind? You know, the net rest days,
you know, how many short weeks that sort of thing.
As far as what they're end of the season schedules
are record's going to be.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
I think everything potentially matters. Everything potentially affects the way
a team adapts or a dozen adapts to the weekend
and week out grind and the best way to go.
And Eric Mangini told me this years ago when he
was coaching the Browns and their schedule for twenty ten
was all one o'clock Eastern games on Sunday, and he said,
I love that. It's a routine, it's a rhythm. We
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aren't disrupted, we aren't distracted, we aren't Sunday night here
and Monday night there. And of course that was before
Thursday night. But you look at the chief schedule and
they embrace being on these big platform games, even if
it means having no rhythm whatsoever to their schedule. They
don't play in the same window in consecutive weeks until
week fifteen and sixteen. I think that there's value in
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having regularity in your schedule, having easy games early. If
you're trying to prove yourself with new coach, new players,
new whatever, and you want to really get off to
a good start, you get a soft start, a soft
launch in September, and you get out to a three
and one, four and oh five and two record. All
of a sudden, everything looks better and that gives the
team confidence, and confidence leads to more confidence. Conversely, if
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you come out zero and four, one and five, whatever
the case may be, you feel like you're digging out
of a hole the rest of the year. So the
configuration of games is critical. How easy, how hard it is,
how much rest you get. It all adds up and
it's all relevant. And the NFL doesn't really care about
the competitive balance. If they did, everybody had the same
number of time time games, everybody has the same number
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of short weeks. They just want the big audience as possible,
and that gives an advantage to the teams that they
think are going to be bad.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Well, I think there, Mikeah, you correct me if I'm wrong.
There's three teams that don't have as of now, any
primetime games. I think the Browns are one of them,
and the Titans kind of surprise number one pick in
the draft and there's no primetime games for the Titans.
Can you remind people which is Copher? Remind me how
the flex situation works now with Thursday night and Sunday
night football.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Well, and also the Saints, for the first time in
twenty five years, don't have a primetime game. So what
happens with the flex after week? Can I believe Sunday
nights flex it can start. I'd have to research when
specifically the Monday and Thursday can start. They change the
amount of notice for Thursday night, flexing from four weeks
down to two weeks. They don't care about the fans
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who pay for the tickets and show up for the
games and possibly have travel arrangements to far away city
that suddenly get changed when that game that was going
to be played on Sunday afternoon all of a sudden,
he's yanks to Thursday nights. They don't care about that.
They care about the biggest possible audiences. They made this
strategic decision at some point that all that matters is
the biggest rating, the biggest audience that leads to the biggest,
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multi billion dollar cash grab from the various network partners.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
And that's why.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
You'll see the popular teams are the teams they think
they're going to be popular. You know, I feel bad
for teams like the Falcons and the Dolphins who haven't
done anything to merit five prime time games. They're getting
treated like they're a good team and they're not. It's
one thing to saddle a good team with a bunch
of night games. You put a bad team or a
medium team in that setting, and it's more likely they're
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going to be bad. So again, they'll do whatever they want,
and they'll keep pushing the envelope, and at some point
they're going to be able to change the schedule whenever
they want, you mark my words. At some point in
the not too distant future, flexing will begin as early
as Week one. If they want to bail out of
a bad game because of a big injury and put
another game in there, they'll do it.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Mike, we're trying to figure out as a group here
why Seahawks, who won ten games last year with arguably
better quarterback and a second year head coach instead of
a rookie head coach are now seven and a half
over under on the win total. What is Vegas seeing
or worried about with this football team because it seems
like easy money.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Well, and I.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Think it's all a matter of perception and betting trends.
That's what determines who bets over and who bets under
and where the sweet spot eventually lands. So there's equal
betting on each side. That's what Vegas wants on all
of these profits. They want equal betting on each side.
They're not trying to set a trap. They want people
to go equally on over and under, and right now
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the Seahawks are in a bit of change. We don't
know that Sam Darnold's performance from last year is going
to carry over. He finished so poorly in Minnesota with
that horrible Week eighteen game that they could have won
and been the number one seed if he wasn't air
mailing passes in the red zone. And then by the
playoff game it didn't matter. It was a total team failure.
So now that reality settles in for the Seahawks, Yeah,
(12:03):
I don't think seven and a half is unreasonable. And again,
all they is trying to do is make your money,
and the best way to make your money is to
get half of the people to bet half of the
money on one side and the other half to bet
the other half on the other side.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Mike, the Vikings are playing back to back international games.
They're going to go to Ireland and then stay out
there and go to London in the Tottenham Stadium. How
did that happen? Like, do the Vikings have to agree
to do that? Is that a problem for the players?
What's your thought on that?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Oh? I think it's an advantage for the Vikings because
if you're going to go anyway, all the way across
the ocean. Why not play two games. And if you're
giving up two traditional road games, they get an edge
there because now they only have seven instead of nine
road games where they go into a visiting stadium where
the home team is comfortable, the road team is uncomfortable, unless,
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of course, the fans of the home team have sold
a bunch of the tickets to the fans of here
you guys talking about that on the way in. But
I think for the Vikings, if you're going anyway, let's
do two games, Let's try to get two wins, and
then the rest of the conference mostly and definitely the
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rest of the NFC North, they have nine true road games,
not seven, So the Lions have to go to Cincinnati
and Baltimore. The Vikings get their AFC North road games
at a neutral site. That's one of those subtle little
things that can end up making a difference when we
get to the end of the season. We know how
tight the margins are and what separates one seed, two seed,
(13:33):
three seed, five seed, seven seed, whatever. Those little things
can make a difference. So if you're gonna go anyway,
it's a net plus for the Vikings to avoid two
road games.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Well, Mike, you mentioned the tickets there, and the Hawks
reportedly are cracking down on season ticket holders reselling their tickets,
warning that excessive reselling could be grounds to revoking their
renewal rights.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Your thoughts on that and how prevalent is that around
the league.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Well, this is one of the unintended consequences of scalping
becoming completely and totally accepted. It's amazing we look at
gambling and how the stigma has disappeared over the past
seven years. It was seven years ago yesterday the US
Supreme Court opened the floodgates for legalized state by state wavering. Meanwhile,
(14:23):
the whole scalping thing, there was never a title wave.
There was never a moment where it's like, hey, scalping
is going to be legitimate now. I remember when I
was a kid, there was always shady guys hanging around
with the laminated cardboard. I need tickets, and I'm thinking, man,
they really want to go to the game. They went
this tick, I want tickets so bad? You played codd
is signing plastick and I didn't know they were trying
(14:44):
to buy and resell and it was happening everywhere and
now you just get on your phone and the NFL
gets a piece and the teams get a piece. Okay, well,
you want to let people easily resell tickets, here's what's
gonna happen. You're gonna have a bunch of people who
are trying to turn a profit on their tickets. And
now we see this push. Whether it's the Seahawks, there
are other teams that have done it too. The Buccaneers
have put a program in place that if you're going
(15:05):
to sell your tickets, they want to buy them first
so they can definitely resell them to people who they
know are going to go and root for the Buccaneers.
But the Packers were the ones back in February that
made the most ways because they've got that ridiculously long
waiting list, and they told their fans that if you
sell all of your tickets, resell all of your tickets
in multiple years, we're taking them back. There's no chance
(15:27):
to state your case like the Seahawks are giving. You'd
sell all your tickets in multiple years and we are
reclaiming the season ticket right, And you know, people act
like they've got some legal rights to it. You don't
have any legal rights to it. The team owns the ticket,
they can do whatever they want. They can refuse service
to anyone and they will.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Sure, But how many places do you go somewhere and
purchase something and then be told by the business that
you bought it from that there's limits to what you
can do with it after you buy it. It's yours,
it's mine.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Well, you don't buy it, then I'll buy it. Then
the pack is. It's not like selling someone a car
and saying here's how you drive it. A ticket to
a game is a license to be present at an
event that the team owns. So don't don't start making
these disingenuous arguments with me. I will tear you apart.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I'm just telling you, well, Mike, you're exactly right. If
I don't like it, then the hell with it. And
you know what, there's a lot of people that will
go down that road. Fine, I don't want you to
tell me what to do with my tickets. I'm done,
I'm out. So maybe maybe that's true, that's that's the point.
Maybe that's what they want. Maybe they want to get
tickets back and resell them. I don't know, man, All right, Mike,
great stuff, really well, done with the idea to move
(16:35):
this to today. Appreciate it and we're talking a week man, Mike,
You got all right, Mike Florio with us. See there's
always that pause, right, there's always the pause at the end.
He's thinking about something, smart ass, and if he can't
think of anything, he just says goodbye. Let's get to
Quill Hollow in North Carolina for a PGA Championship update
courtesy at Westwood One.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
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Speaker 1 (17:10):
I'll tell you what we should have done tonight. By
the way, what time is a tip off of the
Nugs thunder who we didn't want to head down there
by the way for just a quick minute games in Denver?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Was that correcting? Okay? Shockey? Well? Well yeah, maybe you
I mean this is it? I mean, is the official
radio home for nugget basketball in Seattle. Uh Softie Dick
Jackson Show from three to seven. Don't we have an
official correspondent down there in Denver? Who's our guy that
we had on last year? What's his name? There's been
a couple of guys. Shaky hooked us up with a
hockey guy, Raj Is that right? Rodge is the hockey guy.
(17:46):
Who's the basketball guy we had because he was good?
Whoever that guy is, let's get him on the air.
We gotta find out if our team is ready for
the challenge tonight against the Thunder. You Thunder, I think
they're ready.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I about Grant Brandon Cristal, we can get him on.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, there's a guy we had on I forget his name, Jackson,
you know the guy that I'm talking about. He was
on a year ago. I'll figure it out, but we
need to We need to get down there because this
is this is it, baby, this is the big one tonight.
I just kind of I got a funny feeling dick
about this game tonight. I don't know why it's this
one tonight. If the Thunder win tonight and dispatch of Denver,
they're gonna win the whole damn thing. I feel like
(18:23):
they lose tonight. If they lose tonight, then maybe the
Nuggets got a shot at getting him in Game seven.
It's a one game for the whole Enchilada. I just
got a weird feeling. Who's the guy with Darren McKee.
Darren McKee called Darren, See if he'll jump on the
air with us at like four thirty or something talk
some nuggets, because we got to get we gotta get
somebody on the air to give us the vibe if
our boys are ready to handle these guys tonight in Denver.
(18:44):
There he is. There's the big man himself. Here's a
jokerd joker, get it done, baby. We were talking to
Florio earlier about the over under in Vegas for the
Seahawks and seven and a half, and nobody here can
understand why that number is so low, right. I Mean
even if you're kind of a Seahawks cinec, I think
you would think, Man, they won ten games a year ago.
Maybe they take a step back and they win eight
(19:05):
or nine whatever, But seven and a half, I mean
that's a guys, that's a seven and ten season. That's
like people talking about getting fired. If they go seven
and ten, all the trades they've made, they've done, blowing
up the roster, that would be an absolute disaster. So
I jumped on Twitter this morning. And this is not
exactly a Twitter poll, by the way, really, but I
(19:26):
asked just a simple question. I said, for those that
think the Seahawks are going to regress this year, give
me your top two or three reasons why you believe that. Okay,
so doctor Brandon Beal's on Twitter, Sam Donald's way overrated,
big step back for the receiving corps, Roger Venue on Twitter,
difficulty winning at home, which they have had, Sam Donald
(19:47):
on a new team with new coaches, no continuity in
the offensive line. Our friend, Cigar Concierges is that Jackson Bevans,
by the way, is that his account? That's somebody else. Okay,
quarterback played down, wide receiver, played down offensive line. Still
very subpar. Defense going up, but not enough to offset
the offense. Let's see at Fantasy stud one twelve says
(20:10):
because they think Gino Smith is good for some reason.
Downgrade at quarterback, downgrade at wide receivers, upgrade to the
offensive line. So a lot of people they're responding to
this why the Seahawks will regress this year? And I
don't know. I mean number one reason given like family feud,
is the quarterback. Number two is the offensive line. Number
three is wide receive.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
There's a huge discrepancy between Seattle sports fans in Vegas,
in both football and in baseball.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
I'll tell you what I mean.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I put a poll out today which we do have.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
An update hang on which team has a better chance
of winning their division this year? Fifty to fifty right now,
absolute fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Now, I would still say it's the Mariners better. Now
let's go to Vegas. It's not close.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
The Mariners are plus one forty five to win the division.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
The Seahawks are plus nine hundred to the division.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
The Seahawks have five times worse odds to win their
division than the Mariners.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
And yet and I.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Just think this this poll is obviously a small segment,
but I think the larger segment of Seattle sports fans
probably thinks it's about even as well.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, well, look, we talked about that before the season began,
that Vegas had the Mariners with the second best dodgs
to win the American League behind the Yankees. Right, So again,
Vegas thinks, like you said for a long time, that
the Mariners have a better shot to be a factor
this year than the Seahawks do. But that's different we're
talking about seven and a half wins. Seven wins, eight
(21:36):
wins would be a major step back right from where
these guys were a year ago. And I think Kitna
Gobungee on Twitter actually brings up a pretty good point,
John kittne Go Bunchie. Maybe young slash unproven offensive line
that hasn't geled together yet, that's a fact, protecting a
quarterback that is mediocre or worse under pressure with an
(21:58):
unknown running game. That's truthful. I'm hopeful they won't regress,
but they need a year to figure things out and
the rest of the division is restocked. It won't be easy.
I would ask, says kittnagle Banji.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I would ask John Kittnagobanji, what of those concerns that
you had, which are reasonable concerns, right, We're not concerns
last year and they went ten and seven. It's exactly.
They had no running game, they had a quarterback that
wasn't good under pressure, and they had a leaky offensive
line and they still won ten games. Because everybody is
(22:29):
forgetting how good this defense is.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Well, if you read the rest of his tweet, he's
banking on the division being better than it was a
year ago. That's me is the is the last thing
he said, this is going to be a tougher division
than it was last season, and I do agree with that.
The Niners Division will be tougher. Let's see Kyle Hoffman,
excuse me, new offense and personnel doesn't click. A line
suffers injuries and continues to struggle. Cornerback position struggles. That's
(22:55):
a that is a good point because your remember we
talked about Tarik Wohlan last year and it wasn't in
glowing terms, and the Seahawks did not really go out
and do a lot in free agency or the draft
to give him competition. They didn't even give Big Olu
any competition. So a lot of people believe they're going
to be worse than they were a year ago. I
(23:17):
just don't see them taking that big of a step back.
Can I see him going nine and eight? Yeah, I
could see that.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Look, I mean, injuries are obviously a factor. I mean
it felt like, you know, outside of Kenny Walker and
Seahawks were relatively okay with the injury front. I think
a year ago, no major situations that were a problem
the entire season. I know CA nine was banged up,
but when Sharburney played, he played pretty good. So I'm
just surprised it's that low. If Vegas says eight and
(23:42):
a half, maybe or nine and a half, you know
that I could roll with. But seven and a half
just it kind of feels like easy money. And when
something feels like easy money, it's not. So I would
love to actually get somebody on from Vegas and ask them,
why at your sportsbook are you putting this number so low?
We're going to break. We'll talk more about this. Bill
is gonna join it for coming up on ninety three
to three kJ.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
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Speaker 1 (24:23):
I do need to get myself at Denver Nuggets T shirt,
I think, by the way, especially if they take care
of business tonight.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
The only problem with that is that they're probably gonna
be done by the time the T shirts.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Hey, you shut your mouth, man, Wow, They're gonna win
this series and we're gonna get behind them and go
on to root form in the NBA Finals. Can you
come back and do this? It's gonna be the most
painful non sat We talked about this the other day, right,
the most painful non Seattle sports moment for Seattle sports
man got a bracket. It could be you want to
(24:53):
do it tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
I don't know if we can find eight of them?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Well, yeah, what would be bigger than the Thunder winning
the NBA?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Time?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Nothing? We talked about this the other day, right, Like
we said, Okay, when Dennis Johnson went to Boston, when
Griffy hit four hundred, five hundred and six hundred, When
Randy Johnson went to Arizona and won four consecutive Cy
Young's and won the World Series MVP with Kurt Schilling.
I mean, there's a couple of them. I just start
thinking about, like, you know, what if, right, Like what
if what if the Sonics had beaten Denver in ninety
(25:20):
four and they went on to win the NBA Finals
and win the NBA Championship? Would people have been in
a better mood politically to give Howard Schultz and Walley
Walker the money they were looking for for Key Arena,
Because you remember they were looking for like seventy million
dollars or something. It was nothing back in the day.
And so because we could not pooney up a couple
of bucks to help them redo Key Arena, they're now
(25:43):
playing in Oklahoma City. So if the Sonics win the
NBA Championship in ninety four and don't lose in the
first round to Denver, does that change people's willingness to
spend cash on them. I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I think Frank Chopp would have.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Changed at all.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Oh may he rest in peace, yes, But I don't
think you would have changed it all right.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I mean he was the one that went to to
David Stern when he was down at Olympia.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I bet that when I saw that Frank Chop had died,
that's the first thing I thought of, was this back
and forth with David Stern. With David Stern came.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
But that's what we're Olympia, that's what we're familiar with
with Frank.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Frank Chop did a lot of things in Olympia, but
what we're familiar with sports fans is right how he
treated David Stern.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
So it's not bad because that's my My connection to
Frank Chop is exactly that that's correct. I don't have
any idea what Frank Chopp did outside of that moment
with David Stern when David Stern got his head bitten
off by Frank Chopp at Olympia and basically told to
take a hike by him, which.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Is what prompted David Stern to get all pissy against Seattle.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah, so I think for sports, I mean, hey, he's gone,
you know, may he rest in peace, whatever, all that
stuff that you got to say. But my remembrance of
Frank Chop is, I'm sorry, it's negative. What your here's
here's a negative? What's your remembrance of Gene Godden? Negative? Rites?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
But what what image laughing or ass him laughing?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
On screen?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Nichols is trumpeting the forty five million dollars he just
got from Clayton Bennet.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
I don't think you should feel bad about that either, because,
I mean, life isn't black and white. People aren't black
and white. It's all gray, and perceptions of a human
being from a lot of different places are going to
be different. So you're going to have people who think
about PFA pass in different ways.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Who was the most villainized non Seattle coach or athletes
in Seattle. In the minds of sports fans like I
include Ken Barring as an owner. I mean, Howard Schultz
would be number one, obviously, but then Greg Nichols is
on that list, Frank Chopp is on that list for
some people. Clay Bennett would be on that list obviously, because.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
There's a host of Mariner presidents and owners that would
be on.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Jack Armstrong, Howard Lincoln, right, guys like that.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
It's not I'm trying to find a person for the play,
but like I mean, Darryl Bevill, Pete Carroll. But no,
you can't do either of them because they still won
you titles. You can.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
They will fy them for that.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Just the play.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I think we are owed as Seahawks fans because everybody
has their take on what happened and who is responsible
for that. By the way, and I will just tell
you what I know, all right. I can't tell you
who told me this, But if I told you who
told me this and who this person got this from,
you'd say, well, that makes total sense, okay, that you
would say that what I was told about that play
(28:16):
is that Pete Carroll was the one that said throw
the ball. Okay, now we can argue about the actual
play itself. We can argue about the execution of the
play itself, the blocking by the wide receivers, the throw
by Russell Wilson. You drop back, nothing there, get rid
of it and live to see a different down. But
the idea that Daryl Bevell was the one that said, no,
we're going to throw the ball and not run it.
(28:37):
I am even more convinced today that that is not true,
that it went down like that. But I do think,
and I think this is a made for pay per
view event. Guys. I just thought of this myself. I'm
an idea guy. I just thought of this. Right now,
we get Darryl Bevell, and we get Russell Wilson, and
we get Pete Carroll. We put them on stage. Now
we shoot them up with what's the drug? They give
you the truth, truth, serum drug whatever. It's called something, fentanyl,
(29:01):
something something whatever. I don't think it may be dead.
You give him that, and you put him on stage
in front of a gazillion people and say, Okay, what happened, Well,
wasn't it wasn't We get to the bottom of this forever.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
I think Pete Carroll was on Marshawn's podcast two years
ago and just blatantly took and you know, just my
call that So he's And that wasn't the first time
Carol has said on multiple.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
That's what he does and that's what he should do.
That coach absolutely great coach does I think, yes?
Speaker 7 (29:34):
But also the fact of how vehemently he's done it,
and then also the fact he's done it multiple times
and just reading between the lines every time he's gone
on about it, I.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Do believe him. Sody and Pentathal. By the way, is
the is the drug that we're talking about? Fentanyl?
Speaker 7 (29:48):
No?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Okay? I mean can you go like into it like
I don't know walgreen, I do not pharmacy. You can
get it at cvsle By the way, we just say
we just get to the bottom. I mean, how many
people would want to watch that? I don't know if
I'd want to watch it, but I'd like to know
the result, right, I'm not sure if I want to
live through it, but I want to know what the
story is so we can be done. Because here we are.
(30:10):
It's ten year, twelve years later, twelve and Seahawks fans
are still bitching at each other about who's fault that. Well, yeah,
that's the thing, and we go back to the original point.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
You're like, what would you have as a bracket, Well,
there's there would be nothing that would top Oklahoma City
winning a championship. So, like the thing, the good thing
about our brackets is that we don't know what the
winner's going to be because usually there's three or four
options that could win.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
That's what the great thing is about a bracket. The
only thing that.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Could potentially be close is if Oregon won a national championship.
But again, that would be for a smaller percentage of
the audience because there's a smaller percentage of people here
that hate Oregon than there is that hate Oklahoma City.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Well that's a good question. Actually, I'm not sure if
that's true or not, to be honest with you, because
the basketball fan hates Oklahoma City. Yes, Well, first of all,
the NBA has been gone a long time, number one
and number two. There are people out there, believe it
or not, that aren't bothered by that as much as
we guys.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Guys, I was out at a birthday dinner last week
with one of my best friends. He's I know, he's
a basketball fan. We talk Huskies all the time. And
we're just casually watching an NBA game on and he
starts talking up the Thunder and I'm kind of I
had to ask him, buddy, are you a Thunder fan?
Like is this a secret you've been holding from me?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
So?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yeah, has this not come up? How old is he?
Speaker 5 (31:28):
This guy?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
In my age? He's thirty two, so he was she
was fourteen when they left. I was like, Uh, that's
old enough. It's old enough. And I would say, I'm no,
excuse me.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
I had this moment where I'm like, I don't know
if if we can be as good a friends anymore.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Good for you? Yeah, good, good for you. Politics and
sports dividing friendships all over the country. I mean, that's
the thing is that if you're twenty four, twenty five
years old, that's a little different, right, But that's the point.
There's a lot of those people out there. But why
would have twenty four year old that was sick even
want even root for the third?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
They'd have some other team because there'd be no tie,
there would be no emotional ties, positive or negative.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Maybe Kevin Duran, maybe they like James Harden, Maybe they
liked him, and him and Westbrook and all those guys
played together. Maybe they like SGA. I got no idea.
I mean, there's a million reasons why somebody would just
adopt the team when they don't have one, for whatever
stupid reason they want to figure out. So I don't know.
I mean, it's a great question what would be more
painful or for the populace, because I can tell you
(32:27):
what would be more painful personally for me, which really,
in the end, is what this is all about. I mean,
I'm not I'm not saying I don't care what the
populace thinks, but I really don't because this is a
personal thing. More people don't like the thunder, well, that's fine,
and I probably would agree with that. But Oregon winning
a national championship in football, to me, would be more
(32:48):
painful that Oklahoma City winning the NBA championship for me.
It would for me, it would So four nine, four
or five one? What would be more painful? Because I
got to be honest with you, we're damn Chloe to
maybe both of those things eventually happening, maybe one of
them in like a month. Okay, four nine, four or
five one? All right? We're gonna break Bill Krueger courtesy
of Queen Anne Beer Hall, Moss Bay Hall and the
(33:11):
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