May 20, 2025 • 27 mins
In the second hour, Dick Fain and Hugh Millen chat with Jon Wilner from The San Jose Mercury News and Wilner Hotline about college athletics lawsuits, the state of the Pac conference, and football kickoff times coming out soon, plus get some Fun with Audio.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh, you know, John, it doesn't seem like in your
profession covering college athletics that you have had a down
time in like four years maybe pre COVID. I mean,
didn't you used to have a job where you had
an on season and an off season, and now it
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just doesn't seem like the offseason even exists in college
football and basketball anymore.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I would, I would, You're totally spot on it.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
And certainly I've been carrying my computer with me pretty
much everywhere I've gone June thirtieth, twenty twenty two, and
we all remember what happened that.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Day with the LA schools.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Since then, it has been NonStop. And I would actually
argue though, that the stuff that happens from say, April
first to September first, is in some ways more important
than the on field stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
It certainly has.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
A huge impact on what the fans see from their teams.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
The offseason is when all the big decisions get made,
and it is You're right, it is non stop.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Now, I'm not complaining because the content is great, not good.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Content is king, but it is not good for my
health at well being. I gotta be honest.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Well, there's so many directions we can go.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Let's just start with this PAC twelve versus Mountain West mediation.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Where we are and that where are we on that situation?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
My guess is right now they're still in mediation, and
it's multiple lawsuits. It's all being handled at one time
by one mediator. And I think what the deal is
the two suits, people who are representing each suit or
in their own rooms, and the mediator kind of goes
back and forth and is trying to come to a
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resolution that will work for all entities in both cases.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
And it's complicated. They started yesterday.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
I think they went all day yesterday and my sense
is they're going all day today.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Now.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Nobody's talking because there are very strict confidentiality requirements with
something like this, and if you talk to the press,
it can actually hurt your case and your leverage. But
my guess is, either this evening or maybe tomorrow, we're
going to get some kind of news that either they
have come to a resolution or they have not. And
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if they don't, then I think we're headed toward a trial.
I just don't know how many months that'll be.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
Well, and John Wilner with us give us the synopsis
of the meat of the lawsuits, kind of just a
general overview for those not aware.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yes, sure, well.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
One is the so called poaching penalty lawsuit, and that
is the PAC twelve has sued the Mountain West over
fifty five million dollars, but the Mountain West says is
owed to it by the PACK twelve for taking the
five schools Utah State, Colorado, Fresno, Boise, San Diego, right
fifty five million dollars. The Mountain West is trying to
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get from the PAC twelve for poaching those schools. PACTOV says,
you can't do that. The other suit is called the
exit fee suit, and it was filed by Boise, Colorado,
and Utah States against the Mountain West over the conference's
exit fees.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
The big thing is Wellether. There's two big pieces. One
is the money involved. If you total up what's at.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Stake, it's over one hundred million dollars, right, and they're
trying to everybody's trying to negotiate to get a better
deal on their own, but we're talking about at least
one hundred million dollars at stake in total.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
The other piece is.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
That the Mountain West has promised the UNLV and Air
Force a certain amount of money for remaining in the conference,
And if they lose this negotiation, or if they lose
court trials and they don't have as much money as
they thought, they won't be able to pay air Force
and UNLV what they promised. And at that point there
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is some question as to whether UNOV and Air Force
will remain committed to the Mountain West or will look
elsewhere UNLV to the PAC twelve, Air Force, to the American.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
Well, John, if there's a case that the Mountain West
has following the departures of Boise State, Colorado State, present
state standing state, Utah State, would that not set a
precedent for the Big Ten to be liable for poaching
the PAC twelve schools?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Well, in my I mean if the PAC twelve had
bothered to try to file a lawsuit, maybe it would have.
I you know, nobody that I know thinks the poaching
penalty is gonna stand up.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I think that they're.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Gonna end up coming to a negotiation. The PAC twelve
told chose, you know, two years ago, not to pursue
any legal action, either against the Big ten or against Fox.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I know that there were some discussions about it, and
they chose not to. My sense with these.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Lawsuits is that the PAC twelve has got a really
good case on the poaching penalty lawsuit, and the Mountain
West has got a good case on the exit fee lawsuit.
So I would say, if you kind of figure the
PAC twelve ends up paying twenty five cents on the
dollar and the departing in the poaching penalty and the
departing schools pay the Mountain West seventy five cents on
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the dollar in the exit fee suit, that's kind of
where we're gonna end up.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
John Wilner joining us.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
John, you broke down the tax filings of the PAC twelve.
It wasn't good, and you said in the mail bag
this week that, simply put, the PAC twelve is a
secondary player in the CFP structure actually make that a
tertiary player and has been relegated to the same tier
of influence as the Mountain West and the Sun Belt,
et cetera. And I'm gonna I made a comment this
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last week.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
I'll make it to you.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I said, the PAC twelve is basically minor league football.
Right now, what I'm reading from you in that quote
right there is that you agree that the FACT twelve
is minor league football.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Now is that correct? Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Well?
Speaker 4 (06:36):
In terms of the CFP, Yeah, I mean, the PAC
twelve is basically part of the Group of six and
there along for the ride.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
They don't have much say.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
But I would hustle argue I'm not sure that the
ACC at Big twelve have all that much say either.
The CFP going forward is basically three entities in control.
It's the Big Ten, It's the SEC, and it's ESPN. Now,
the ACC and Big twelve are part of the negotiations
over the format for the twenty six season, but ultimately
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the SEC and Big ten have the authority, and it's
written into the CFP governance structure. Those two conferences have
the authority to set the format. You know, ESPN's got
to basically sign off on it. But everybody else is
a secondary player or a tertiary player, and the PAC
twelve is it does not have any more influence than
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the American or the Mountain West in this new CFP
governance structure.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
John Wilner with us. John, Okay, that's a lot of
legal stuff. Let's let's get to a story you wrote about.
You have your way too early Power four Conferences ranking
and you have SEC one, the Big Ten, two, Big twelve, three,
and the ACC number four. So I got two questions
for you. The SEC you have at one, they had
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they had an off year, you know, primarily because of Alabama.
You don't think maybe the Big ten's right on the
heel or where are we on that? And then Man,
I studied a lot of Sudor Sanders and Travis Hunter
tape that you know, looked at a lot of Big
twelve tape. And then I turned around and I looked
at a lot of Jackson Dark tape. And the difference
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between the Big twelve and the SEC is monstrous just
in terms of the talent on the field. It's like
watching two different leagues. So why is the Big twelve
ahead of the Accuh, did I see what I thought
I saw? Or just kind of from your perspective, give
us your thoughts on this ranking.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Yeah, I think that the SEC, like coming out of
spring practice, I would say the SEC is substantially ahead,
and then the big headed Big twelve to me, are
pretty close at this point. And a lot of what
I'm basing it on is, you know, the depth, how
many good teams, how many top twenty five, top thirty
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teams are there, and what's the quarterback play like? And
I thought that last year the SEC quarterback play was
kind of down in Alabama.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
And Georgia were two good examples of that.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
But I suspect, based on who they've got lined up,
that the SEC is gonna have really good quarterback play
this upcoming season. And I'm a little bit skeptical about
the Big Ten. A lot of Big Ten schools, you know,
including Washington and Origin and USC and UCLA for that matter,
have unproven quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Either it's a kid.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Who was on on the roster like Williams and played sparingly,
or it's a transfer.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Whereas to me, the SEC has got.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
More guys that are proven, and I think that's where
there's a difference, and the Big twelve, I think also
has pretty good quarterback play, which is why I think
it's fairly close to the Big ten.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
John, I'm taking the whole family on a trip to
Pullman on Saturday, September twentieth to exact a pound of
flesh on the Cougars after what they did at Lumenfield
last last year. So what time is that game gonna
be and when are we gonna get these tbds off
the time column on my Washington Huskies football schedule, Well,
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I thought.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
They announced the time of that game. Maybe they haven't,
but I.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Thought all of Washington State and Oregon State's home games
had times. I don't have it in front of me,
but they may have announced it, or they gave a
like a window like four or four thirty or three
or three thirty. But my understanding is most of, if
not all, of the Cougar's home games have times attached.
The rest of them, though we will find out on May.
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I believe it's gonna be that next week eight twenty ninth,
thirtieth with that window is okay? They always announced the
kickoff times for the first three weeks of the season,
and all the Friday games. That's when we're gonna find
out all the Friday stuff. And I think Washington's going
to be involved in.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
A fair out of that.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Oh there you go. You know, I'm seeing a late
afternoon window. You're exactly right for the Apple Cup. They
don't have a time solidified yet, but it'll be the
late afternoon window on CBS.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
So that's a good Yeah, CBS is good.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
The good one that that that is, That is good,
no question about it, Johnny Uh.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I mean that's a big time game, you know that'll
that'll be a national game.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
It's good for good for the Apple Cup, and it's
nice like.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
I would imagine that late afternoon is Is that ideal
for Washington fans going over there?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yes, absolutely ideal because you don't really have to spend
the night if you don't want to.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
You could make it a day trip if you wanted to.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
And when's the last flight out you what are you
gonna drive back to Pullman or to Spokane after the games?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
That can fly out.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
I'm staying there. I'm gonna stay there the whole weekend.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I got I got lodging their in Pullmans, so I'm
I'm one of the few that that I got lodging
in the in Pullman, I got buddies there, So that's good.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Oh nice?
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Okay, Yeah, I mean it should be a good game,
and it'll be it'll feel like a big time atmosphere
because it's gonna be on CBS.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
Yeah, we're questioning Dix buddies that they would choose to have.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, that's red flags right now.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
But Johnny, what's the question we're not asking here? It
is late may, relatively slow.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
Period of time.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
There must be some fire you got going. What's what's
good content that we haven't touched on?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Well, I mean the big thing, and I know fans
don't like the legal stuff, right, but uh, that's where
it is. Everything is right now, waiting for the judge
to rule on the lawsuit and waiting for the power
for conferences to unveil their NIL enforcement entity. And I
don't know if you guys saw, but there was a
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CIA who had a story yesterday where basically what's happening
is the SEC, Big ten, Big twelve and a SEC
are going to force the teams in each of their
conferences to sign a loyalty oath to this nil enforcement
agency and that means that you're going to accept what
it says about your NIL deals and.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
You can't sue them. And if you don't sign the oath,
your subject to potentially get kicked out of the conference. Now,
that is the threat. Do I think that will hold
up in court? I do not, But that's where things are.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
In other words, Washington is going to be required by
the Big Ten to sign a form that says, yes,
we will abide by whatever ruling the NIL Enforcement Agency
says about Demand Williams nil deal, and even if we
disagree with it, we will accept the ruling and will
not file a lawsuit. And if Washington doesn't agree to
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those terms, in theory, they would be liable to be
getting kicked out of the Big Ten.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
That is where we are right now. Folks.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
That sounds like an anti trust Uh, yes, it does that.
That just doesn't sound American to me. You know, pledges
of both for future rulings that have economic impact.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
I don't know that. Just that my antennas go up
when what you just described, John.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Well, that's why the NCLBA is in the situation. It
is because of all these anti trust lawsuits and and
I know it's it's not very sexy for fans and
all that, like talking about quarterbacks and power rankings.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
And the CFP.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
But it is a huge deal and it is going
to affect the on field product across the country for
many years to come. We'll see how the whole thing
plays out in the next few weeks. The judge could
rule on that House lawsuit any day, and it's going
to have a huge impact on college football for a
long time.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
John, if you were made college football czar and and
you had carte blanche to run it, like Roger Goodell
runs the NFL, what would be your primary tenants both
for for NIL and just the state of college football?
What are the things that that you see as paramount
like this, this, and this absolutely have to change and
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they have to be like.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
This, well, I think the transfer portal has to change.
It's just absolute madness and they the problem. What I
first do is I force the university presence. There's best
I could to agree to have the athletes declared employees,
because if you do that, you can then collectively bargain
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a deal that will solve the transfer portal, that will
solve anil, that will solve revenue share.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Everything would be solved if they could just collectively bargain.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
But they can't do it unless there's a union, and
there can't be a union unless they're employees. Now here's
what I would say to you, guys. There's probably a
student assistant working in the UDUB football office for twenty
hours a week, making twenty five bucks an hour. Right,
that student is technically an employee. But there's still a
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student of the University of Washington. So what's the problem
with making Demand Williams an employee.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
He's still going to be a student.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
But the university president's fear that designation of employment for
the athletes, and that is the problem at the root
of all of this madness.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Great stuff, John, we appreciate it. We will talk to
you next week.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I'm sure we'll have eighteen different things that happen in
college sports, even though no games are being played between
now and then.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Thanks man, Thanks black guys.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
You bet Sean.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
That's John Willner joining us on a weekly basis. Sor right,
more humillan coming up. Textimonials at four forty five. Brian
Schmetzer at five point forty five, after what Jackson called
an okay tie fine a fine tie against the Portland
Bastards and Monte Kohler has tied sid Otten as the
winningest high school football coach in the state of Washington's history.
(17:02):
He needs one more game, as we assume he'll win
game number one in September, We're gonna talk to him
at six o'clock on ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
It's now time for someday. In Digg's Fun with Audio,
Jimmy g pawn Star, Jimmy mister garoppolo. Now let's have
some fun with audio. Yeah, usually we do.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Fun with Audio at three forty five, but at three
forty Hugh was rolling, said sorry, it's so had we
had to bump it. He was rolling, and I just
had to make an executive decision and we moved Fun
with AUDIOO four thirty to let Hugh roll.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
And by the way, Dick, you know you kind of
commandeer at the end of that three forty five seven
asking asking if people to want me to do a
YouTube breaking down place. Yeah, fun with Audio is gonna sorry,
textimonials is gonna be littered with texts regarding that people
are getting creative. Uh, there is one person who doesn't
want to see it and he'll explain why coming up
in Texas.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Interesting because I just got that. I just got a tweet.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
It's not gonna go on textimonials, but this tweet from
Jesse Jacob. Hugh Millan is radio gold. I could listen
to that dude talk about anything all day. I want
a serious channel all Hugh Millan monologus.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
How about that? And that's what you could name it.
We could just name it the Hugh milland.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, fast.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Oh my goodness, all right, time with fun with audio
and din a different time today, Jackson, you got my
little dropper and a go.
Speaker 8 (18:31):
Just got it?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Hugh?
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Did you hear that? What's that?
Speaker 7 (18:35):
Dick?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Bill Belichick did an interview with Michael Strahan on Good
Morning America on ABC last week to promote his new book.
Apparently it wasn't a hard hitting interview because Chris mad
Dog Russo sounded off about it while joining Susie Schuster,
who filled in on The Rich Eisen Show Monday morning.
Speaker 9 (18:54):
Mike was Strahan was not Mike Wallace On Friday on
Good Morning America, I might add one of.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
The more awkward interviews I've ever.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
Seen in my life. ABC.
Speaker 9 (19:03):
What ABC did there? ABC gave carte blanche to Belichick.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
They'll be want seoan, Well.
Speaker 9 (19:09):
You tell us what questions you want to ask, and that.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Is at you can't do. Horrific.
Speaker 9 (19:15):
ABC was horrific that essentially they sold their journalisms, their
journalism chops to make sure that Belichick is he was
in the news, was on the air. That was a
horrific job by a worthy news organization. And then they
put stray in a tough spot because we all know
Strayane is again, he's not Mike Wallace, he's an ex
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football player. No knock against Strayan, but that's an impossible situation.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
It was an oh my god, it was bad.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Well, I agree, I got nothing out of the interview,
and and but but Hugh, I prepared myself because my
expectations of a Michael Strahan Good Morning America interview with
Bill Belichick on a scale of one to hard hitting
is like a point four.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
And I don't even know if it got to a
point four.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
I didn't hear it. So what was it? Just awkward?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Just just I'll soft it's good. It was good Morning America.
It was Good Morning America. Softballs.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Well, he's he's under a lot of siege about the
manner in which his girlfriend has apparently commandeered aspects of
certainly his commercial life, and and or is it like
a ven diagram? Is it creeping into his his capacities
as the head coach at North Carolina, Things like, you know,
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coming out on the practice field wearing stripper boots and.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
He hasked a very innocuous question about his girlfriend, just
to show that he brought it up, and and Belichick
shut it down. He says, my relationship with Jordan is great,
and you know, she really doesn't have anything to do
with North Carolina football.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
And that was it.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
That's all so okay.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
At least that's why he's in the news lately.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Oh yeah, there's no question about that. I saw a
rumor today where they're engaged. Nobody can confirm it yet,
but that's the newest. That's the newest rumor that's flowing
around on the internet.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Apparently apparently Jordan is telling people. So she's.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
Oh my god, boy, So we've got what's Belichick's kid,
Steve Belichick.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
Yes, he's gonna be coaching a little longer than he thought. Yeah,
she gets her claws into that.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Will I got one.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I got one word for you, Bill. Maybe it's a
hyphenated word. Maybe it's two words. Pre nup. That's for
Bill Belichick. Hey, Hugh, did you hear that?
Speaker 5 (21:40):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Dick?
Speaker 2 (21:41):
John Rahm finished eighth of the PJA Championship after boguing.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
The final two holes.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
It might not have mattered with Scotti Sheppler running away
with the tournament, winning by five, but in his post
round press conference, Rom talked about getting advice from Charles Barkley.
Speaker 10 (21:54):
I always like to go back a little bit on
something that Charles Barkley likes to remind basketball players all
the time, like, like I played golf for a living.
It's incredible, right, Am I embarrassed a little bit about
how I finished today. Yeah, but I just need to
get over it, get over myself. It's like it's not
the end of the world. Like it's not like I'm
a doctor or a first respond there is somebody where
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if they have a bad day, truly bad things happen. Right,
So I'll get over it. I'll move on again. There's
a lot more positive than negative to to think about
this week.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
Yeah, really good perspective.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And in the prior show, Greg Bell actually played another
top thirty second quote from that press conference where Rom said, yeah, hey,
you know, this is the first time I've ever been
in contention at a major where i haven't won, and
he's like, it's hard to win. I've been in contentions
in a major a couple of different times and I
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ended up winning both of them. So it happens, and
so it was a really I thought it was refreshing.
I think Rom is begging to be more liked because
of he is not very well liked since going to
Live and I think press conferences like this will will
get him more like he's live for the US Open.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
I mean, I think I think John Rahm is very
very live for the US Open this year.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Well, I don't know what the evidence is that he's
trying to be liked other than I think as a
general rule, we default most people. I would prefer to
be liked than not liked, right, But I would say
that quote is just beautiful, absolutely gold. That quote should
be preserved. I think there's a lot of players, a
lot of you know, I would say there's times in
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my life, you know, playing uh you know that that
just to hear that and remind yourself. I thought that
was very well articulated, succinct, great wisdom in that quote.
I think that was that is a gold medal quote.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
In my absolutely the prevailing that reason I say that
about Rom is the prevailing thought amongst golf Twitter, and
I'm and I'm unfortunately too deep into into golf Twitter,
is that, you know, his move to live has affected
him more than he thought it was going to be.
And I think he is a guy. You know, certain
people out there love to be liked. Other people really
don't care that much whether they're liked or whether they're
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not liked, and and Rom is one of those guys
that he kind of wants to be liked. And he
feels like he's been shunned by a lot of the
golf fans since going to live.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
So I think, you know, he he had an interesting take,
a reversal, I should say, because he had a great
quote when he was number one in the world and
he was talking about reasons why he was going to
stay on the PGA Tour. So as as inspiring as
that quote was that Jackson just played, you had an
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equally inspiring quote about him, essentially taking a position paralleling
Rory McElroy and in terms of his commitment to the
PGA tour and for him to have flopped on that.
Speaker 10 (25:03):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
And people are entitled to change their minds, you know,
new things come up. But I would imagine he's gone
through a multitude of emotions with with his with with
his moving on to live.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Hey here did you hear that that with the a's
moving to Sacramento. We're wondering what are we supposed to
call him now? Well, NBC Sports Bay Areas Mike Kruco
offered a suggestion during Sunday's Giants broadcast.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
We are going to the bottom half of the fourth
inning and Oaklamento leads San Francisco two to one, then
here's bet partner, our Hall of famer John Oakleamento, that
you could win.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I like, OK, that is I mean maybe because we're
on the West coast, we realize how big it is.
I don't know how big that people around the country,
how big a debacle this actually is with that team
playing in that stadium in that city, having no real
place to go in Vegas.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
It's not like it's not like the Vegas stadium is. Oh,
we're just we're almost ready. We'll be ready to play,
and we'll be ready to play in April in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
And this is just a temperate no, we have no
idea where the A's.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Are going to be playing in three years.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
Yeah, good place to play. Yeah, it's it's been pathetic
for years. And you know, as somebody who can remember
them with the Vita Blue and Reggie Jackson days, and
you know, they were the ones, you know, they were
kind of cutting edge. They were the only ones wearing
white shoes, and they had the kind of the I
don't call them tank tops, but kind of like the
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muscle jerseys, Charlie sleeves, and they were just they were
a very colorful organization. One won the world title in
seventy two, and they had a payroll that was number
one in the in all of Major League Baseball at
about nine hundred and eighty five. Don't quote me on that,
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but it's just under a million, not a million average, right,
And that was total payroll that was number one in baseball.
And they won the World Series and that just seems like,
you know, not just an another life ago, many lives ago.
Right to think of that and and and think of
the imbalance and and what that franchise is now at
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the add or near the bottom every year of the
payroll and without a home. And you know you could,
you could, you could. We're conjunct sackling two Sackland A's.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
And what's amazing about the A's, what they always do is,
no matter how bad the situation is, the team on
the field actually plays capable baseball.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
It's just unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
You would think that these guys are just like, oh,
I just forget this, nobody cares about us, but
Speaker 5 (27:35):
They just seem to hang in there every single year.
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh, you know, John, it doesn't seem like in your
profession covering college athletics that you have had a down
time in like four years maybe pre COVID. I mean,
didn't you used to have a job where you had
an on season and an off season, and now it
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just doesn't seem like the offseason even exists in college
football and basketball anymore.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I would, I would, You're totally spot on it.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
And certainly I've been carrying my computer with me pretty
much everywhere I've gone June thirtieth, twenty twenty two, and
we all remember what happened that.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Day with the LA schools.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Since then, it has been NonStop. And I would actually
argue though, that the stuff that happens from say, April
first to September first, is in some ways more important
than the on field stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
It certainly has.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
A huge impact on what the fans see from their teams.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
The offseason is when all the big decisions get made,
and it is You're right, it is non stop.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Now, I'm not complaining because the content is great, not good.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Content is king, but it is not good for my
health at well being. I gotta be honest.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Well, there's so many directions we can go.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Let's just start with this PAC twelve versus Mountain West mediation.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Where we are and that where are we on that situation?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
My guess is right now they're still in mediation, and
it's multiple lawsuits. It's all being handled at one time
by one mediator. And I think what the deal is
the two suits, people who are representing each suit or
in their own rooms, and the mediator kind of goes
back and forth and is trying to come to a
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resolution that will work for all entities in both cases.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
And it's complicated. They started yesterday.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
I think they went all day yesterday and my sense
is they're going all day today.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Now.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Nobody's talking because there are very strict confidentiality requirements with
something like this, and if you talk to the press,
it can actually hurt your case and your leverage. But
my guess is, either this evening or maybe tomorrow, we're
going to get some kind of news that either they
have come to a resolution or they have not. And
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if they don't, then I think we're headed toward a trial.
I just don't know how many months that'll be.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
Well, and John Wilner with us give us the synopsis
of the meat of the lawsuits, kind of just a
general overview for those not aware.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yes, sure, well.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
One is the so called poaching penalty lawsuit, and that
is the PAC twelve has sued the Mountain West over
fifty five million dollars, but the Mountain West says is
owed to it by the PACK twelve for taking the
five schools Utah State, Colorado, Fresno, Boise, San Diego, right
fifty five million dollars. The Mountain West is trying to
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get from the PAC twelve for poaching those schools. PACTOV says,
you can't do that. The other suit is called the
exit fee suit, and it was filed by Boise, Colorado,
and Utah States against the Mountain West over the conference's
exit fees.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
The big thing is Wellether. There's two big pieces. One
is the money involved. If you total up what's at.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Stake, it's over one hundred million dollars, right, and they're
trying to everybody's trying to negotiate to get a better
deal on their own, but we're talking about at least
one hundred million dollars at stake in total.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
The other piece is.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
That the Mountain West has promised the UNLV and Air
Force a certain amount of money for remaining in the conference,
And if they lose this negotiation, or if they lose
court trials and they don't have as much money as
they thought, they won't be able to pay air Force
and UNLV what they promised. And at that point there
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is some question as to whether UNOV and Air Force
will remain committed to the Mountain West or will look
elsewhere UNLV to the PAC twelve, Air Force, to the American.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
Well, John, if there's a case that the Mountain West
has following the departures of Boise State, Colorado State, present
state standing state, Utah State, would that not set a
precedent for the Big Ten to be liable for poaching
the PAC twelve schools?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Well, in my I mean if the PAC twelve had
bothered to try to file a lawsuit, maybe it would have.
I you know, nobody that I know thinks the poaching
penalty is gonna stand up.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I think that they're.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Gonna end up coming to a negotiation. The PAC twelve
told chose, you know, two years ago, not to pursue
any legal action, either against the Big ten or against Fox.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I know that there were some discussions about it, and
they chose not to. My sense with these.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Lawsuits is that the PAC twelve has got a really
good case on the poaching penalty lawsuit, and the Mountain
West has got a good case on the exit fee lawsuit.
So I would say, if you kind of figure the
PAC twelve ends up paying twenty five cents on the
dollar and the departing in the poaching penalty and the
departing schools pay the Mountain West seventy five cents on
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the dollar in the exit fee suit, that's kind of
where we're gonna end up.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
John Wilner joining us.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
John, you broke down the tax filings of the PAC twelve.
It wasn't good, and you said in the mail bag
this week that, simply put, the PAC twelve is a
secondary player in the CFP structure actually make that a
tertiary player and has been relegated to the same tier
of influence as the Mountain West and the Sun Belt,
et cetera. And I'm gonna I made a comment this
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last week.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
I'll make it to you.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I said, the PAC twelve is basically minor league football.
Right now, what I'm reading from you in that quote
right there is that you agree that the FACT twelve
is minor league football.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Now is that correct? Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Well?
Speaker 4 (06:36):
In terms of the CFP, Yeah, I mean, the PAC
twelve is basically part of the Group of six and
there along for the ride.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
They don't have much say.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
But I would hustle argue I'm not sure that the
ACC at Big twelve have all that much say either.
The CFP going forward is basically three entities in control.
It's the Big Ten, It's the SEC, and it's ESPN. Now,
the ACC and Big twelve are part of the negotiations
over the format for the twenty six season, but ultimately
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the SEC and Big ten have the authority, and it's
written into the CFP governance structure. Those two conferences have
the authority to set the format. You know, ESPN's got
to basically sign off on it. But everybody else is
a secondary player or a tertiary player, and the PAC
twelve is it does not have any more influence than
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the American or the Mountain West in this new CFP
governance structure.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
John Wilner with us. John, Okay, that's a lot of
legal stuff. Let's let's get to a story you wrote about.
You have your way too early Power four Conferences ranking
and you have SEC one, the Big Ten, two, Big twelve, three,
and the ACC number four. So I got two questions
for you. The SEC you have at one, they had
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they had an off year, you know, primarily because of Alabama.
You don't think maybe the Big ten's right on the
heel or where are we on that? And then Man,
I studied a lot of Sudor Sanders and Travis Hunter
tape that you know, looked at a lot of Big
twelve tape. And then I turned around and I looked
at a lot of Jackson Dark tape. And the difference
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between the Big twelve and the SEC is monstrous just
in terms of the talent on the field. It's like
watching two different leagues. So why is the Big twelve
ahead of the Accuh, did I see what I thought
I saw? Or just kind of from your perspective, give
us your thoughts on this ranking.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Yeah, I think that the SEC, like coming out of
spring practice, I would say the SEC is substantially ahead,
and then the big headed Big twelve to me, are
pretty close at this point. And a lot of what
I'm basing it on is, you know, the depth, how
many good teams, how many top twenty five, top thirty
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teams are there, and what's the quarterback play like? And
I thought that last year the SEC quarterback play was
kind of down in Alabama.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
And Georgia were two good examples of that.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
But I suspect, based on who they've got lined up,
that the SEC is gonna have really good quarterback play
this upcoming season. And I'm a little bit skeptical about
the Big Ten. A lot of Big Ten schools, you know,
including Washington and Origin and USC and UCLA for that matter,
have unproven quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Either it's a kid.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Who was on on the roster like Williams and played sparingly,
or it's a transfer.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Whereas to me, the SEC has got.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
More guys that are proven, and I think that's where
there's a difference, and the Big twelve, I think also
has pretty good quarterback play, which is why I think
it's fairly close to the Big ten.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
John, I'm taking the whole family on a trip to
Pullman on Saturday, September twentieth to exact a pound of
flesh on the Cougars after what they did at Lumenfield
last last year. So what time is that game gonna
be and when are we gonna get these tbds off
the time column on my Washington Huskies football schedule, Well,
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I thought.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
They announced the time of that game. Maybe they haven't,
but I.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Thought all of Washington State and Oregon State's home games
had times. I don't have it in front of me,
but they may have announced it, or they gave a
like a window like four or four thirty or three
or three thirty. But my understanding is most of, if
not all, of the Cougar's home games have times attached.
The rest of them, though we will find out on May.
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I believe it's gonna be that next week eight twenty ninth,
thirtieth with that window is okay? They always announced the
kickoff times for the first three weeks of the season,
and all the Friday games. That's when we're gonna find
out all the Friday stuff. And I think Washington's going
to be involved in.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
A fair out of that.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Oh there you go. You know, I'm seeing a late
afternoon window. You're exactly right for the Apple Cup. They
don't have a time solidified yet, but it'll be the
late afternoon window on CBS.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
So that's a good Yeah, CBS is good.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
The good one that that that is, That is good,
no question about it, Johnny Uh.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I mean that's a big time game, you know that'll
that'll be a national game.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
It's good for good for the Apple Cup, and it's
nice like.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
I would imagine that late afternoon is Is that ideal
for Washington fans going over there?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yes, absolutely ideal because you don't really have to spend
the night if you don't want to.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
You could make it a day trip if you wanted to.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
And when's the last flight out you what are you
gonna drive back to Pullman or to Spokane after the games?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
That can fly out.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
I'm staying there. I'm gonna stay there the whole weekend.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I got I got lodging their in Pullmans, so I'm
I'm one of the few that that I got lodging
in the in Pullman, I got buddies there, So that's good.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Oh nice?
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Okay, Yeah, I mean it should be a good game,
and it'll be it'll feel like a big time atmosphere
because it's gonna be on CBS.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
Yeah, we're questioning Dix buddies that they would choose to have.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, that's red flags right now.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
But Johnny, what's the question we're not asking here? It
is late may, relatively slow.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
Period of time.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
There must be some fire you got going. What's what's
good content that we haven't touched on?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Well, I mean the big thing, and I know fans
don't like the legal stuff, right, but uh, that's where
it is. Everything is right now, waiting for the judge
to rule on the lawsuit and waiting for the power
for conferences to unveil their NIL enforcement entity. And I
don't know if you guys saw, but there was a
(12:42):
CIA who had a story yesterday where basically what's happening
is the SEC, Big ten, Big twelve and a SEC
are going to force the teams in each of their
conferences to sign a loyalty oath to this nil enforcement
agency and that means that you're going to accept what
it says about your NIL deals and.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
You can't sue them. And if you don't sign the oath,
your subject to potentially get kicked out of the conference. Now,
that is the threat. Do I think that will hold
up in court? I do not, But that's where things are.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
In other words, Washington is going to be required by
the Big Ten to sign a form that says, yes,
we will abide by whatever ruling the NIL Enforcement Agency
says about Demand Williams nil deal, and even if we
disagree with it, we will accept the ruling and will
not file a lawsuit. And if Washington doesn't agree to
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those terms, in theory, they would be liable to be
getting kicked out of the Big Ten.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
That is where we are right now. Folks.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
That sounds like an anti trust Uh, yes, it does that.
That just doesn't sound American to me. You know, pledges
of both for future rulings that have economic impact.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
I don't know that. Just that my antennas go up
when what you just described, John.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Well, that's why the NCLBA is in the situation. It
is because of all these anti trust lawsuits and and
I know it's it's not very sexy for fans and
all that, like talking about quarterbacks and power rankings.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
And the CFP.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
But it is a huge deal and it is going
to affect the on field product across the country for
many years to come. We'll see how the whole thing
plays out in the next few weeks. The judge could
rule on that House lawsuit any day, and it's going
to have a huge impact on college football for a
long time.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
John, if you were made college football czar and and
you had carte blanche to run it, like Roger Goodell
runs the NFL, what would be your primary tenants both
for for NIL and just the state of college football?
What are the things that that you see as paramount
like this, this, and this absolutely have to change and
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they have to be like.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
This, well, I think the transfer portal has to change.
It's just absolute madness and they the problem. What I
first do is I force the university presence. There's best
I could to agree to have the athletes declared employees,
because if you do that, you can then collectively bargain
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a deal that will solve the transfer portal, that will
solve anil, that will solve revenue share.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Everything would be solved if they could just collectively bargain.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
But they can't do it unless there's a union, and
there can't be a union unless they're employees. Now here's
what I would say to you, guys. There's probably a
student assistant working in the UDUB football office for twenty
hours a week, making twenty five bucks an hour. Right,
that student is technically an employee. But there's still a
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student of the University of Washington. So what's the problem
with making Demand Williams an employee.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
He's still going to be a student.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
But the university president's fear that designation of employment for
the athletes, and that is the problem at the root
of all of this madness.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Great stuff, John, we appreciate it. We will talk to
you next week.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I'm sure we'll have eighteen different things that happen in
college sports, even though no games are being played between
now and then.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Thanks man, Thanks black guys.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
You bet Sean.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
That's John Willner joining us on a weekly basis. Sor right,
more humillan coming up. Textimonials at four forty five. Brian
Schmetzer at five point forty five, after what Jackson called
an okay tie fine a fine tie against the Portland
Bastards and Monte Kohler has tied sid Otten as the
winningest high school football coach in the state of Washington's history.
(17:02):
He needs one more game, as we assume he'll win
game number one in September, We're gonna talk to him
at six o'clock on ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
It's now time for someday. In Digg's Fun with Audio,
Jimmy g pawn Star, Jimmy mister garoppolo. Now let's have
some fun with audio. Yeah, usually we do.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Fun with Audio at three forty five, but at three
forty Hugh was rolling, said sorry, it's so had we
had to bump it. He was rolling, and I just
had to make an executive decision and we moved Fun
with AUDIOO four thirty to let Hugh roll.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
And by the way, Dick, you know you kind of
commandeer at the end of that three forty five seven
asking asking if people to want me to do a
YouTube breaking down place. Yeah, fun with Audio is gonna sorry,
textimonials is gonna be littered with texts regarding that people
are getting creative. Uh, there is one person who doesn't
want to see it and he'll explain why coming up
in Texas.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Interesting because I just got that. I just got a tweet.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
It's not gonna go on textimonials, but this tweet from
Jesse Jacob. Hugh Millan is radio gold. I could listen
to that dude talk about anything all day. I want
a serious channel all Hugh Millan monologus.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
How about that? And that's what you could name it.
We could just name it the Hugh milland.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, fast.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Oh my goodness, all right, time with fun with audio
and din a different time today, Jackson, you got my
little dropper and a go.
Speaker 8 (18:31):
Just got it?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Hugh?
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Did you hear that? What's that?
Speaker 7 (18:35):
Dick?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Bill Belichick did an interview with Michael Strahan on Good
Morning America on ABC last week to promote his new book.
Apparently it wasn't a hard hitting interview because Chris mad
Dog Russo sounded off about it while joining Susie Schuster,
who filled in on The Rich Eisen Show Monday morning.
Speaker 9 (18:54):
Mike was Strahan was not Mike Wallace On Friday on
Good Morning America, I might add one of.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
The more awkward interviews I've ever.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
Seen in my life. ABC.
Speaker 9 (19:03):
What ABC did there? ABC gave carte blanche to Belichick.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
They'll be want seoan, Well.
Speaker 9 (19:09):
You tell us what questions you want to ask, and that.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Is at you can't do. Horrific.
Speaker 9 (19:15):
ABC was horrific that essentially they sold their journalisms, their
journalism chops to make sure that Belichick is he was
in the news, was on the air. That was a
horrific job by a worthy news organization. And then they
put stray in a tough spot because we all know
Strayane is again, he's not Mike Wallace, he's an ex
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football player. No knock against Strayan, but that's an impossible situation.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
It was an oh my god, it was bad.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Well, I agree, I got nothing out of the interview,
and and but but Hugh, I prepared myself because my
expectations of a Michael Strahan Good Morning America interview with
Bill Belichick on a scale of one to hard hitting
is like a point four.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
And I don't even know if it got to a
point four.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
I didn't hear it. So what was it? Just awkward?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Just just I'll soft it's good. It was good Morning America.
It was Good Morning America. Softballs.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Well, he's he's under a lot of siege about the
manner in which his girlfriend has apparently commandeered aspects of
certainly his commercial life, and and or is it like
a ven diagram? Is it creeping into his his capacities
as the head coach at North Carolina, Things like, you know,
(20:37):
coming out on the practice field wearing stripper boots and.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
He hasked a very innocuous question about his girlfriend, just
to show that he brought it up, and and Belichick
shut it down. He says, my relationship with Jordan is great,
and you know, she really doesn't have anything to do
with North Carolina football.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
And that was it.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
That's all so okay.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
At least that's why he's in the news lately.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Oh yeah, there's no question about that. I saw a
rumor today where they're engaged. Nobody can confirm it yet,
but that's the newest. That's the newest rumor that's flowing
around on the internet.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Apparently apparently Jordan is telling people. So she's.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
Oh my god, boy, So we've got what's Belichick's kid,
Steve Belichick.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
Yes, he's gonna be coaching a little longer than he thought. Yeah,
she gets her claws into that.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Will I got one.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I got one word for you, Bill. Maybe it's a
hyphenated word. Maybe it's two words. Pre nup. That's for
Bill Belichick. Hey, Hugh, did you hear that?
Speaker 5 (21:40):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Dick?
Speaker 2 (21:41):
John Rahm finished eighth of the PJA Championship after boguing.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
The final two holes.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
It might not have mattered with Scotti Sheppler running away
with the tournament, winning by five, but in his post
round press conference, Rom talked about getting advice from Charles Barkley.
Speaker 10 (21:54):
I always like to go back a little bit on
something that Charles Barkley likes to remind basketball players all
the time, like, like I played golf for a living.
It's incredible, right, Am I embarrassed a little bit about
how I finished today. Yeah, but I just need to
get over it, get over myself. It's like it's not
the end of the world. Like it's not like I'm
a doctor or a first respond there is somebody where
(22:16):
if they have a bad day, truly bad things happen. Right,
So I'll get over it. I'll move on again. There's
a lot more positive than negative to to think about
this week.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
Yeah, really good perspective.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And in the prior show, Greg Bell actually played another
top thirty second quote from that press conference where Rom said, yeah, hey,
you know, this is the first time I've ever been
in contention at a major where i haven't won, and
he's like, it's hard to win. I've been in contentions
in a major a couple of different times and I
(22:48):
ended up winning both of them. So it happens, and
so it was a really I thought it was refreshing.
I think Rom is begging to be more liked because
of he is not very well liked since going to
Live and I think press conferences like this will will
get him more like he's live for the US Open.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
I mean, I think I think John Rahm is very
very live for the US Open this year.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Well, I don't know what the evidence is that he's
trying to be liked other than I think as a
general rule, we default most people. I would prefer to
be liked than not liked, right, But I would say
that quote is just beautiful, absolutely gold. That quote should
be preserved. I think there's a lot of players, a
lot of you know, I would say there's times in
(23:37):
my life, you know, playing uh you know that that
just to hear that and remind yourself. I thought that
was very well articulated, succinct, great wisdom in that quote.
I think that was that is a gold medal quote.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
In my absolutely the prevailing that reason I say that
about Rom is the prevailing thought amongst golf Twitter, and
I'm and I'm unfortunately too deep into into golf Twitter,
is that, you know, his move to live has affected
him more than he thought it was going to be.
And I think he is a guy. You know, certain
people out there love to be liked. Other people really
don't care that much whether they're liked or whether they're
(24:15):
not liked, and and Rom is one of those guys
that he kind of wants to be liked. And he
feels like he's been shunned by a lot of the
golf fans since going to live.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
So I think, you know, he he had an interesting take,
a reversal, I should say, because he had a great
quote when he was number one in the world and
he was talking about reasons why he was going to
stay on the PGA Tour. So as as inspiring as
that quote was that Jackson just played, you had an
(24:48):
equally inspiring quote about him, essentially taking a position paralleling
Rory McElroy and in terms of his commitment to the
PGA tour and for him to have flopped on that.
Speaker 10 (25:03):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
And people are entitled to change their minds, you know,
new things come up. But I would imagine he's gone
through a multitude of emotions with with his with with
his moving on to live.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Hey here did you hear that that with the a's
moving to Sacramento. We're wondering what are we supposed to
call him now? Well, NBC Sports Bay Areas Mike Kruco
offered a suggestion during Sunday's Giants broadcast.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
We are going to the bottom half of the fourth
inning and Oaklamento leads San Francisco two to one, then
here's bet partner, our Hall of famer John Oakleamento, that
you could win.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I like, OK, that is I mean maybe because we're
on the West coast, we realize how big it is.
I don't know how big that people around the country,
how big a debacle this actually is with that team
playing in that stadium in that city, having no real
place to go in Vegas.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
It's not like it's not like the Vegas stadium is. Oh,
we're just we're almost ready. We'll be ready to play,
and we'll be ready to play in April in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
And this is just a temperate no, we have no
idea where the A's.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Are going to be playing in three years.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
Yeah, good place to play. Yeah, it's it's been pathetic
for years. And you know, as somebody who can remember
them with the Vita Blue and Reggie Jackson days, and
you know, they were the ones, you know, they were
kind of cutting edge. They were the only ones wearing
white shoes, and they had the kind of the I
don't call them tank tops, but kind of like the
(26:31):
muscle jerseys, Charlie sleeves, and they were just they were
a very colorful organization. One won the world title in
seventy two, and they had a payroll that was number
one in the in all of Major League Baseball at
about nine hundred and eighty five. Don't quote me on that,
(26:52):
but it's just under a million, not a million average, right,
And that was total payroll that was number one in baseball.
And they won the World Series and that just seems like,
you know, not just an another life ago, many lives ago.
Right to think of that and and and think of
the imbalance and and what that franchise is now at
(27:13):
the add or near the bottom every year of the
payroll and without a home. And you know you could,
you could, you could. We're conjunct sackling two Sackland A's.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
And what's amazing about the A's, what they always do is,
no matter how bad the situation is, the team on
the field actually plays capable baseball.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
It's just unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
You would think that these guys are just like, oh,
I just forget this, nobody cares about us, but
Speaker 5 (27:35):
They just seem to hang in there every single year.
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