May 20, 2025 • 52 mins
In the third hour, Dick Fain and Hugh Millen discuss the changes they would make with the NCAA and to the college football structure, then Dick and Jackson Felts are joined by Sounders coach Brian Schmetzer before O’Dea football coach Monte Kohler joins.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, rolling into the five o'clock hour, busy end
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of the show coming up. Brian Schmitzer is going to
join us at five forty five. Monte Cohler, the legend
the legendary coach of the Oday Fighting Irish who has
already and Greg Bell reminded us this today that Greg
was on the call with Chris Kidd in the state
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championship game in the Tacoma Dome where Monty Cohler tied
Sid Aughten for the all time record that was right
here on ninety three point three KJRFM. And he has
one win away from breaking it. We'll talk to him
coming up in the six o'clock hour. But Hugh, we
had John Wilner on the last hour and I just
I simply asked him, you know, obviously there are things,
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there are many things that need to be need to
be changed by college about college football. It's so funny
how the popularity of college football is just going through
the roof. Eyeballs are there, butts are in seats, and
yet we all realize there are things that are just
epically broken in terms of the sport right now. But
they're getting through it with still getting you know, millions
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and millions of eyeballs every single week. But I asked him,
you know, what would have been his primary tenets of change?
Where would he focus if he was the tzar of
college football, or really the czar of all you know,
we'll call it the the revenue sports in college athletics.
How would he make changes and where he would make changes?
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And I'd love to talk about it with you right now.
I mean, I wrote down a couple of things that
that that just popped into mind. And you know, I
have been so so against change in college football for
so long. I mean, I was anti free transfer portal
big time. I wasn't really anti NIL, but I wanted
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to see some structure in the NIL. I always wondered
when this NIL came out, and Softy and I would
wonder aloud, you know when this when this whole and
I thing was coming down. We would sit here on
the air and we'd go, what is preventing some dude
at a car dealership from paying this high school senior
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a million and a half and guys at his NIL
to come to school? And the rules are all, well,
you can't do that with recruits, right, you can't use
money to incite recruits to go to college, and we're
just like, who's who, says, who's stopping it? Right, nobody's
stopping it, And in fact, nobody has stopped it. It
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has just totally run amuck. So I'm willing to bend
on the transfer portal, specifically if you're moving up or
down a level. I think if you get misdiagnosed at
a certain level, and hey, you're supposed to be a
you know, a power two player, a big ten sec player,
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and you sign with you know, Indiana or Ohio State
or Michigan or Washington and just you just not good
enough to play at that level, I feel like you
should be able to free transfer down same way as
if you sign with Colorado State and you're a quarterback
and you throw for four thousand yards and forty five
touchdowns and you want to trans Michigan wants you, and
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you want to transfer to Michigan, I think you should
be able to free transfer to Michigan. Would I would
love to see the transfer portal get chopped down after
that to the point where, yeah, you're starting to lose
eligibility again. If your coach didn't leave, you sign with
a program and you just kind of decide that I
want to go someplace else, or somebody is offering me
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more money someplace else under the table, that's where I
think the punishment should land. That would be my first
and foremost change I would make. And then the second
change I would make. Is this the nil deal you need? Does?
It needs to be out in the open. It needs
to be a contract that is signed that has a
designated period of time. I have signed a two year
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contract with the Washington Huskies to be a linebacker, and
I am being paid X amount of money of nil
dollars which could increase over that period but will not decrease,
Meaning I'm locked into a two year commitment. But Motlake
Futures is also locked in to paying me X amount
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of dollars that it says on that sheet of paper,
and it can't be less than next amount of dollars,
but it could be more because I could go out
and find more endorsements in the two years that I
play with Washington. So let's start right there, and you
can either comment on those hu or you can, you know,
give me some of your own and we can discuss it.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I think for me, my interpretation is shaped by my
experience and let me explain what I mean. Certainly, let
me get out right in front. I'm not an attorney,
do not have a lot of degree. I was a
player rep for ten of my years in the NFL,
which there's one rep per team you get voted by,
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and so I would represent my team various teams through
all of the collective bargaining enterprises and efforts, right, And
I was right there during the time when we were
trying to get free agency part of the NFL, there
had been what's called player indemnity where Joe Montana signs
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a contract with the forty nine ers. When his contract's up,
he's still the property of the forty nine ers. He
has no recourse. The only recourse he would have would
be to hold out, say hey, you need me right.
So that's not a lot of leverage by modern standards. Right,
So we're trying to get free agency, and so in
the process I had to acquaint myself with the anti
trust laws. And this is before the internet. So I
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would go to local libraries in Orange County when I
represented the RAMS, and by the way, I was flown
back to Washington and had to stand on the witness
stand and get peppered by NFL attorneys. And by the way,
they're really good NFL's attorneys, right, especially when they have
an army out of them coming at you, right, and.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
You're twenty three years old.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
But and then when I was in Atlanta, I went
to Emory Law School, drove my ass to Emory Law School,
just parked myself in the library and just pulled out
anti trust books and and so this is kind of
my layman's understandings for a long time. Well, to me,
it was just like I need to be educated because
I'm the liaison between my team and the union operation.
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And so I'm representing, you know, the Falcons or the Patriots,
and and then I have to in turn go back
and communicate to my team, you know, the the material
aspects of what's happening with union matters, right, And particularly
when you were going through the free agency, the effort
to to have free agency was you know, it is
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important for me to be aware of this. So now
as I and basically what you have that this is
the simple I think every fan should understand this. There
are certain aspects of the let's call the NFL, and
I'm going to get to the college. Okay, because I'm gona,
I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about what I know more
and then we'll apply it to the college. There are
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certain aspects of the NFL operation that are patently in
violation of anti trust law. Take the NFL draft. The
idea that you can just you can just say, hey,
you're not going to have any freedom to negotiate your
contract or where you want to live. We're just going
to draft you and we're going to slot you. That
is patently anti trust. Anti trust is specifically the German
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Anti Trust Act that's been around for over one hundred
years guiding American businesses. It's you can think of an
anti trust as anti competition that the anti trust laws
are designed to to prevent prevent practices by businesses that
are anti competition. They want to stimulate competition, right, okay,
But within the anti trust laws, then you have the
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labor laws, specifically the Wagner Labor Act. The labor laws
will supersede the anti trust laws.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
If you collectively bargain, you can take your rights. In essence,
the players can say, hey, we've got these really cool
rights with anti trust. We can hold this as leverage, Like, hey, owners,
your freaking draft is so freaking illegal, right and and so,
but we will agree to it. We will accede to
your your draft provided you give us forty nine percent
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of the revenue and you know, wages, hours in terms
of employment. Those are the things that you're discussing in
collective bargaining agreement, which basically covers everything. Hey, we don't
want to have long mini camps, we don't want to
have contact and training, we want to have more pension,
you know, contributions to pension. Give us all this stuff
that we want, and we'll let you break the law,
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the anti trust right. And then the courts will not
they will not find you guilty of anti trust violation
because it was collectively bargained. And again remember this term
that will labor laws supersede the anti trust laws. And
so so we went that so so and then even
we had to desertify as a union when we had
an impasse to get to get the operation analyzed under
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anti trust law. Basically we're saying, hey guy, hey NFL,
we're gonna we're gonna nail you an anti trust and
you know you're gonna lose. And so that drives them
to the bargaining and and that's where we had. You know,
you end up having collective bargaining agreements now and with
college understand this. The Supreme Court and the the n
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c A was fools. They lost in a lower court
about education and related compensation. Just you know, Pewter plans
for me sing nothing. Oh we're losing.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
We're losing. The use me, yeah, just for it, just
for a second, just for a second, we might might act. Yep,
yeah it sounds good. Now, yep, we're good.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Okay, So let's now let's talk about college football Austin
versus the NCAA. I believe it was twenty twenty one.
I might be off by a year. I think the
summer twenty twenty one that the players we were suing
the NCAA for restrictions on education related compensation. It was
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only education like computers or or musical instruments for music
majors or you know, a few post graduate like It
was insignificant, and the court sided with the players.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Okay, it was.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
The NCAA then appealed it to the appellate court, not
the players. The players didn't lose an appeal. The NCAA
lost and then appealed, and so then the NCAA, when
they lost in the appellate court, they said, well, let's
take it to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
So they took it to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Awesome, and they got their ass handed to them nine
to nothing. And in the process some very dormant legal
matters about legal questions about hey, how would the Supreme
Court view the amateur status of college football players? And
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this is going back to some TV issue this is
Oklahoma and Georgia versus the NCAA, about that's the last
time that Supreme Court had weighed in on the college
football model, the amateur model. Because the NCAA is basically saying, hey,
you fans, you will not go to a Husky You'll
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go to a Seahawk game and watch the Seahawks knowing
that the quarterback is making thirty million, But you won't
go to to a Husky game if you know that
you're watching professionals down there. There has to be an
amateur distinction. That was the NCAA's position. And so then
the chess court you turn around and you say, well,
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what is the least restrictive system that you could have
and still and and the business still thrives. So when
the players were getting nothing, I mean these stipends, you
can't even pay your bills. If the NCAA had just
been a little less greedy, just give away, they were
the ones that kept appealing, just educated, really just take
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the L, NCAA, take the L. They got lousy legal
advice because they end up taking it up to the
NCAA and losing, excuse me, the Supreme Court and losing
nine to nothing. And this this is not a liberal court.
This is a court that overturned row versus weight, Like
this is really lousy legal advice that the NCAA had
and they were too freaking greedy. And so now what
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how how did they interpret this one question?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
If they had done exactly what you said and just
given a little where do you think.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Still would have been ambiguity about where the laws lie
on the amateur that Supreme Court would not have weighed
in on the on the amateur argument that the NCAA
is held for decades.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
So which is again and we wouldn't have an I
L yet.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Uh there there would be there, Yes, there would be Uh, well,
I can't say exactly what would have happened. But the
floodgates have opened up because the nc The I keep saying,
the Supreme Court of the nca the Supreme Court, let
me say it again. The Supreme Court. They looked at
this and they weighed in on the model. They said,
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not only is it are you the NCAA, you member
institutions of the NCAA. Not only are you exposed? Are
you gonna lose this? This education compensation again just violence
and computers deal. The entire compensation is patently anti trust,
It is anti competition. It is horizontal price fixing. What
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is horizontal price fixing. Let's take Reggie Bush, a very
famous athlete who got in a lot of trouble with
the NCAA. When Reggie Bush was offered a scholarship by
USC and his stipend was only called it, you know,
because this LA was more expensive. We'll call it nineteen
hundred bucks. And let's say down in Austin, you know,
it was seventeen hundred, and then you go up to
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South Bend, Indiana and it's sixteen fifty. And you go
to Athens, Georgia and it's eighteen fifty. Like it's basically
that is horizontal price fixing. In the eyes of the
Supreme Court, it is anti trust, is it is anti competition,
and it's illegal. And the Supreme Court said, look, your
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model cannot supply a survived anti trust scrutiny. And so
then say brought this upon themselves. They didn't have to
have done that. And so the Supreme Court they call
the players the labor. This is a multi billion dollar enterprise,
and the players are not players, they are labor. And
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there's horizontal price fixing. When you tell Reggie Bush that
his stipend is only going to be about two thousand
dollars or less no matter where he goes, that is
horizontal price fixing. And the analogy that the Supreme Court
used was the fallowing. This is not a humilli in analogy.
This is a Supreme Court they said. They compared the
model the NCAA compensation model to it would be as
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if all of the restaurant owners in a community conspired
to suppress the wages of the chefs and their defense
and Anti Trust Court is the only reason the patrons
go into these restaurants is because they know the chef's
wages are being suppressed. They won't have interesting going to
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those restaurants if they think the chefs are getting fair
market value. They only want to have interest in this
restaurant if they know that those chefs are being hammered
and be and and their rights are being violated in
ani trust. So this is the this is the this
is the foundation, This is the climate. This is the
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lens through which I see these things. So every time
you when you asked John Wilner, if you were the czar,
what would you do? The first thing I think is,
whatever your plan is, all the things that think that
we think are common sense, they have to survive anti
trust scrutiny. Or you have to have a system where
you have collective bargaining by the players so that they
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on the aggregate can now supersede the anti trust laws.
And until we get that to sitting there talking about
what should happen, he said, no, no, no, see it
from the Supreme Court's view about competition, and if you're
suppressing the right of an of adult American the labor,
if you're suppressing his rights in any anti competitive way,
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you are running a foul of the anti trust laws
and the and the Supreme Court has made that clear.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
So we'll see if my changes pass that sniff test
of anti trust. In the next segment, I want to
get your take as well before we talk to Brian
Schwetzer at five forty five on ninety three point three
kJ RFM.
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Speaker 1 (17:17):
Brian Spenzel joined us in fifteen minutes, the head coach
of Seattle Sounders FC, following their draw over the weekend
to the Portland Timbers, Monty Cohler, the winning US coach
in Washington state football history. Along with sid Otten, they
are tied right now at the top. Sid Aughton has
since retired, the great coach from tom Water. Monty Cohler
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is still going in the fortieth year, forty years at
oday high School. You'll join us at six o'clock today.
But you know, Hugh, listening to you educate us on
the anti trust situation, I mean it seems to me
like no matter how idyllic my selectutions are for fixing
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college football, nothing is going to be done without collective bargaining,
meaning nothing's going to be done without a player's union, right,
I mean, how can we have contracts for an NIAOL deal?
How can I force Demon Williams to sign a three
year contract with the University of Washington for fifteen million
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dollars if there's nothing to stop him from saying no,
I'm not going to do that. There's no I mean,
there has to be something has to be collectively bargained
from the players, doesn't or is there a way that
the NCAA can somewhat put the genie back in the
bottle and repair just some of the damage that they
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have done over the last five years.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, well, I think mostly the answers are either collective
bargaining agreement or lobbying Congress. Get Congress involved to have
some type of legislation that includes exemption from anti trust
because right now that just just left to their own devices.
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The players, again, who are the labor, are going to
have a lot of protection because the courts are very
interested in stifling and preventing anti competitive prohibitions. So you know,
you can just basically default if you think that that's
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likely to be anti competitive. It's likely that the court
thinks that so my my reading and understanding. So what then,
you know, I'll ask you the question that I asked John.
I mean, what what principal tenants need to change in
college football that you think are actually feasible to do
in the in the short term, meaning the next few years. Yeah, well,
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you'd like to see certainly some type of adherence to contracts,
right that that if there's going to be an ni
L world, and we've got we've got the house settlement
that's coming up where the the players are going to
be receiving portions of the revenue, right and and so
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you've you've got that, so players are going to be
uh receiving that and but they will still be they
will still be available to receive nil. And in that case,
I would like to see that the contracts are adhere to, right, Like,
if the player signs for a certain service, there's an
understanding that he, you know, he's got to fulfill that
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end of the contract. Well, how about fulfilling.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
The end of the con the fulfilling what ni L
was supposed to be in the first place, which was
using your name, image and likeness to market yourself in
order to make money. When the nil world has in
a lot of cases has I'm sure in the NIL
world works in some places too. I'm sure you know
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some Michael Pennix did some NIL things and did some
great things in the community. That was that was under
the guise of n I L where he was providing
a service, he was actually doing something to earn his
NIL money outside of just being the quarterback of the
Washington Huskies. But it happened so many, so many places
where you're just getting a paycheck for doing nothing other
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than being a star player on a football team. And
how can we how can we turn how can we
turn it back into NI L instead of just getting
paid to play college?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Can't?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
It's it's it is literally impossible, And I think that
it was foreseen. The idea that NI E O NIO
would not be used in recruiting is utterly unenforceable from
any pragmatic sense there because if so, let's let's start
with what you said, Okay, let's try and be let's
let's have some maintenance of purity in this that the
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only people who are going to get n I L
money are the people that are actually out on the
field and producing. And then because they're producing, their naming,
image and likeness will have value. And then and only
then will they have an NIL deal. Well, if like
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right now Ohio State is let's go with twenty five
million that's been reported. I don't know, it may increase,
but let's just say they have and I twenty five
million dollar nil. That is something that the players know.
They know from a recruiting standpoint. They they know how
my son, I got a son in the SEC that's
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getting a more NIL than is his his scholarships Titan
and I sat there right across from the desk of
the coach with my son, and so I've been an
eyewitness to how this process works. It's impossible the lines
of recruiting mean beforehand versus compensation afterhand. It's just nothing
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that can be enforced. And because you're always going to
be recruiting, and the player, now that we have the
NIL world, you're always you're always gonna have a recruiting
check right, tell me when you disagree. And there's always
going to be a knowledge that the recruits have of
the general budget that the schools have in their collective right.
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Like if the Huskies, for example, they got Montague futures,
so the recruits know what's available to them in monke futures.
Maybe not down to the dollar, but they have a
pretty good idea and they can compare that against what
Indiana may have.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Right, So.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Yeah, I just think it's I just kind of rule
my eyes at the idea that NIL was never meant
to h to be part of a recruitment and just
say it sounds you know what it is. That is
just platitudes, because when it comes down to actually implementing
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the system, no system can be drawn up to prevent
recruit nil recruiting.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
As far as the transfer portal, are you in favor
of just keeping it as is or it's just a
complete open door all the time with multiple transfer windows
each year.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
No, I don't like that. It doesn't seem fair. Again,
I'm always running the filter through what what can pass
anti trust scrutiny in the absence of any collective bargaining agreement.
Certainly contracts can be written, but you know, things can
you can be challenged.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
But no, I don't I don't like the.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Idea that a player can can move four times. But
the the end is you know, helpless or powerless. Yes, totally,
And so you know, until there's some structure that is
either collectively bargained or mandated from the legislative branch of government.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I just don't see it. Do you think contracts nil
contracts you might be able to marry those with the
transfer portal in saying okay, we're going to give you
athletes like like what I mentioned before, it's like, okay,
we're going to give you some security here, like a
contract in football, right, and you can either choose to
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just you know, go day by day with your nil
money and nothing is guaranteed past today. It could be
pulled tomorrow. But you also have the right to transfer
in the next transfer window if you wish, or we
can offer you this you stay. You know, you know,
somebody from you know, a company that is giving millions
of dollars to a school can come to a recruit
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and say, hey, we are willing to be we are
willing to sponsor you quarterback guy, but we want to
know you're staying in our city and you're playing for
our football team. So we are willing to give you
a three year contract worth X amount of dollars to
be the quarterback of this football team. Now, if you
lose your job, you lose your job, you still get
the money, but we just want your commitment to the city.
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Is that something that would pass the sniff test and
maybe encourage athletes to be like, Okay, maybe I should
be tied down a little bit to a contract because
this is a nice junk of money they're giving me
for three years. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Perhaps, Again, I've tried to apply what I learned, you know,
and and how that applied to the National Football League,
and so I've learned basic tenants. I would say the
concern that I would have about that model would be, Okay,
what about coaches? There are coaches, and the Supreme Courts
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will compare the freedom that coach just have who move?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
You know?
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Or Junior Adams, the wide receiver coach for University of Washington.
That dude had like four jobs in two years he
had He was the the Appalachian State offense coordinated for
two weeks. Right, I think it would be the whole
thing if.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
We do it with the same way we do with coaches.
You'd have a buyout. If a school is willing to
give a kid a two million dollar buyout to his
nil to that collective, that's how you would do it.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
That's how you do it if but I think that
there may be some some consideration that the player window
of opportunity is only four years.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Right right, five thirty nine on ninety three point three
kJ RFM, Brian Smetzer will join us. Next, we'll talk
about his draw with Portland and what's upcoming, and then
Monty Kohler will join Hugh and myself at six o'clock
on ninety three point three KJRFM.
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Speaker 1 (28:11):
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they've kept this song. I mean they have this was
I was like five and they had this song. You
might have been negative years old. Actually, well it came out.
What's what's beauty? There's many beautiful things about the Sounders.
The one beautiful one, really particularly beautifuling for me is
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the nineteen seventy four that's plastered all over their logo.
That's the year I was born. So that's you were zero.
I was zero. You were zero, Brian Smith. So coach
of Seattle Sounders FC, joins us, how are you, Brian good?
Speaker 5 (28:47):
That is a snappy tune.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You can sing along.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
It's it's it's it gets time.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Is there no words to it? Brian?
Speaker 6 (28:54):
I never knew If there were words supposed to go
to it.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
I don't know, but it was like da, I mean,
you just made up words as you.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Went along, exactly. Screw Portland, Screw Portland. Dun dun dun
dun dun, something like that.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Oh well, speaking of Portland, the draw against Portland. You know,
we've talked about good draws before, We've talked about bad,
ugly kiss your sister draws before. Where does this one
hold last? Where does this one land on the continuum
of draws here?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Coach?
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Well, it's you know, it could be in between the
two extremes that you just pointed out.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
You know, we were.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Disappointed in many ways because we felt we had a
chance to win. I hate giving up soft goals, and
I think the goal that we gave up. I mean, look,
they're going to say it was a great goal, but
there were some tactical things and I'm sure Jackson's gonna
ask me about, but there's some tactical breakdowns on that clip.
And you know it's our arch rival. So we had
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the lead and we couldn't hold on, and we had
some chances and and score the second one, and you know,
at the end of the game, they weren't doing much.
I mean, they were just sitting back trying to defend.
So in that sense, it was pretty good.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Brian, It's funny. I did something that I never do.
After the game was over. I went on to the
Timbers feeds on the internet and saw what Timbers fans, why.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Would you do that here?
Speaker 6 (30:17):
So you know, it's interesting because to your question, Dick,
and to Brian your answer, I wanted to see what
their perspective was because I was kind of like, I
feel like Seattle was the better team throughout the ninety minutes,
but sort of our Portland fans feeling lucky to get
a point and a lot of them weren't. So it
was interesting, right even though and we can talk about
the tactical element of the goal that you gave up
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and that they scored, we said on the post game
that I thought it was a great goal that they scored.
But ultimately I think that a lot of Portland people
are feeling a little bit lucky to come away with
just a point.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
I would I would agree.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
I mean, look, I didn't go on the Portland chat boards.
That would really be that I'm desperate for something. But
there was some good half chances. Look statistically, I know,
you know, we had thirteen shots to four, we had
eight corner kicks, we won the duels battles.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
So there's a narrative there.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Based on statistics that you know agrees with.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
Some of the fans from Portland might have thought.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
So a long road trip comes to an end one
one and one when a loss of draw Houston, La Portland.
If I if I had to ask you, and maybe
we did, I don't remember if we asked you. If
we asked you a couple of weeks ago before this,
if you would have taken one, one and one on
three games in a row on the road before coming home,
would you have taken it?
Speaker 5 (31:36):
I would have, Dick. But what I wouldn't have liked,
or as well, I still don't like it was just
the way we play I mean sometimes that's more important
for the mental health of the team. You know, that
game midweek against LAFC ME and they took it to us,
So that was a bit of a bummer there with
the score line being four zero. And you know, you
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want to be competitive in every match, and I think
we have been.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
Uh you know, maybe the other you know, bad result
was the Cruise Azul.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Match that we they took it to us. But you know,
we want to be competitive in every match, home and away.
And you know if you are, if you work and
you you have a five hundred record on the road,
and you win most of your home games or just
over half of your home games, you'll be sitting good
when the playoff pitcher arrives.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Brian, I have no idea what you're talking about. Before nothing,
I went to see the Men in Black after that game,
so you got from in front of your eyes, gotcha
a couple of items of business, Brian. Uh, you know,
I did go on the Seattle message boards. One question
that came up was Pedro de la Vega didn't start
in Portland.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
No JP on the bench.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Just making sure that they are still fully healthy, no
knocks and are going to be good to go this week.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
They're totally fine. JP had played heavy minutes against the
l AFC that he came down with some food poisoning,
uh de la Vega. You know there's an injury risk.
Last time he got injured, Remember he was playing on
short rest. I played him like a Wednesday Saturday, and
I wasn't going to make the same mistake twice. So
they're both ready to go and they'll be available for
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selection for these next three games.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
So last week you said that Jackson O Reagan was
a possibility for Dallas. Is he still a possibility for Dallas.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
He is going to go through full training this week, Dick,
and if he makes it to full training then he'll
be available as wrong.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
That is some great news, Brian.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
You got so many midfielders here and Brian Schmitzer joining
US Seattle Sounders FC head coach, and so many midfields
to choose from. Obviously, it's another busy week, three home
games and nine days coming up, starting with Dallas on Saturday,
and I'm wondering as you figure out how you put
the first game of these nine together. In the midfield,
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specifically hayesus Ferra, you know, facing his former team in Dallas.
But looking at the production he's given you and maybe
not given you over the course. So this first third
of the season, as you measure him again up against Pedro,
up against you know, Ryan Kent and everybody else, you know,
how does he factor into that ranking of who to
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start amongst those attacking midfielders.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
Oh, we're gonna have to wait and see for my
life of choices on the weekend. But look, he's got
a lot of assists. I think he's the leading assist
getter on the team.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
He played well down in Portland.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
He kept the ball for us well, I mean we
had we won the possession duel as well. I mean
we had more possession than them. He helped us out
of some jams. Pego's electric. You know, people like to
watch him because he flies around and he shoots, and
he does things that's not necessarily you know, that's not
necessarily Hateseus's you know what his personality is like, he's
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a little quieter. Ryan Kent has come on and done
a really good job as a sub and and everybody's all.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
Excited about him. But you know that game against Portland,
he he he didn't quite have all his dribbling skills
in the first half up to up to par So
there's gonna be some tough choices to make for this
first game, and then we'll kind of follow through with
the last last two in the three game week.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Did you like Jackson's sneaky thirty second way of basically
just asking you who's starting on Saturday? Did you like
that he was kind of weaving in and right well
Saturday against Dallas. I was surprised to see Jackson told
me pregame starts at eleven thirty in the morning. I
was like, this must be a game in Texas. No,
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it's a game here, noon start. Do you like a
noon start on the West Coast?
Speaker 5 (35:39):
I hate them?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Actually?
Speaker 7 (35:42):
Why?
Speaker 5 (35:44):
I don't think our record in afternoon games is very
good Jackson. That's something you can look up and we
can discuss tomorrow. But I don't think our record at
home isn't great when we have afternoon kickoffs.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Brand just wrapping it up. Give us just a couple
of seconds here on on Dallas. This team that you
beat one nothing on the road facing on Saturday.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Yeah, Acosta their biggest player out due to suspension, but
they'll be underdog the coach is going to get them
fired up, and they won a little bit of a revenge.
I mean, that was the thing that got us started
on our little winning streak, and I'm sure they'd like
to start one of their own as well.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Go get them, Go get them. We'll be watching and
listening on Saturday. Thanks coach, Thanks coaching.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
Okay, thanks Dick Cia Jackson.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
You bet Sounders against Dallas on Saturday. Head on out
there to a loom and Field for that one. You
can also listen right here. Jackson felt in the pregame
at eleven thirty am. That is just weird at the Sounders.
A brunch with the Sounders. Indeed, on Saturday. We'll get
back to Hugh when we come back at the top
of the hour headlines and the winningest coach now tied
for the winningest coach in State of Washington high school
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football history, Monty Kohler, is going to join us. Coming
up the next segment of ninety three point three KJRFM.
All right, rolling into the six o'clock hour, Hugh Reed
joins us Jackson when our next guest coached his first
game for the Oday Fighting Irish, I'm going to give
you one guess and you'll be able to answer this question. Okay,
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I'm gonna give you one. Guess who just came off
an Orange Bowl championship as the quarterback of the Washington Huskies.
Was it mister Breedlove? You was mister Breedlove? And that
is that is how long Money cole Because hughes like
ninety now so so an impressive run by Money Cohler,
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the head coach of the ODAI Fighting Irish and now
tied for the winningest coach in high school football history. Coach,
it's good to talk to I haven't talked to you
since the Varsity Football Live days. How are you?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I'm doing great? Thank you. Yeah, it's still out of
still enjoying every day of it.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Well.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Talk a little bit about what happened this weekend. There
was a really cool event at the vMac, kind of
a two part special event. I was a notified by
the Washington State Football Coaches Association. You guys were doing this.
You had a Hall of Fame induction ceremony for Tony
Davis of Tahoma, Randy Afalter from Kennewick, Rocky Patching from
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North Thurston, and then you also had this new new
and aspiring head coach mentorship program. So I'd love to
just get your take on what it was like this
weekend at that great event.
Speaker 8 (38:29):
It was awesome. I mean it was one of the
better things we've done in a while. Obviously, the Hall
of Fame thing is great. Those are great guys and
deserving and you know, and then just to have it
at the Seahawks facility, you know, is really special. And
so you know, shout out to the Seahawks, Kyle Doherty
and Mario Bailey for allowing high school coaches to put
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this on there, and and then the support that they
gave us, you know, funding a lot of the stuff
to make the little lunching and that the ceremony happened,
and just you know, like I said, being in that facility,
being in that team room is pretty special. And then
the mentorship program was just uh again, it's something.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Uh we've talked about.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
You know, our secretary, Will Garrel put a lot of
time and effort and make this happen for us, and
and but it was kind of the you know, we
want to make sure high school football stays relevant, stays important,
and you know, being a high.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
School football coach, being any high.
Speaker 8 (39:34):
School coach is hard these days, and you know, just
the idea that we had some you know, mentorship people
there to talk. And we kicked it off with maybe
one of my favorite coaches of all time, Randy Hart,
who just you know, yeah, Randy had the had him
on there the edge of their seat.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
You know.
Speaker 8 (39:53):
And his message wasn't just to the I mean, the
purpose was to get first and second year head coaches
and then young coach is that want to be head coaches.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
But there were a lot of us old guys.
Speaker 8 (40:02):
In the room and again Randy just inspired us to
you know, continue to do what we're doing. And then
obviously gave us some great insights into his career and
into Don James and what it meant to be a
coach and and the importance that we you know that
we hoped that we're making, uh the difference in the
lives of some of these young kids. So and so
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Randy started it off and he again just set to
toone for just a wonderful day. And then we had
brought in coaches, you know, older coaches, uh you know
Tom Batner and uh Van Dalen and those guys, and uh,
you know, just from different Village and Adam Mathieson and
just older coaches and just so we had these different
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panels in the morning and then different panels in the
afternoon with some college coaches talk about recruiting and and
you know, and then so the coaches would rotate through
these sessions and and I went to a couple of them,
and again it was one of the better things I've
been to. You know, Randy and I talked about it afterwards,
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you know, because it was around he it was a talk.
They had a question and they just you know, we're asking,
you know, just questions. Well, I got a fire coach
that I've worked with me and you know, he's not
doing how do I do this? And how do I
do that? You know, And there was plenty of experience
in the room. And then again to listen to the
young coaches and their perspective on things, it was like, wow,
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that's cool because they come from a different place than
I come through from and some of the older guys.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
So it was really refreshing. And you know, I think
the state of football, you know, if.
Speaker 8 (41:39):
We can keep going this and keep these young guys
involved in the game, the state of football high school
football in the state of Washington is in a pretty
good place.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Money Kohler, head coach of Oda high school football with
us and and Money you said there that the goal
is to keep high school football the words you said
relative and important. So I think for all of us,
who you know are Seahawk fans and Husky fans, and
and and and fans of this great game, You've got
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a lot of you got a lot of years under
your belt to watch the development of high school football.
What are concerns that you have? What what are what
are things that really need to be focused upon so that,
in your words, high school football stays relevant and important.
Speaker 8 (42:26):
Well, I think that you know, the numbers, We've got
to keep the numbers up, you know, and that there's
parts to that that and one of those is safety,
you know, And I think we do a great job
in the state on the safety aspect of high school football.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
But the other side of that is, you know, we
got to take care of coaches. You know.
Speaker 8 (42:47):
I think that you know what I see and again
this is just my opinion now, so is that you know,
school has become destination spots for different sports. So you
want to play football, you go to that school. Basketball,
you know, so we got to make sure that the
state of Washington is competitive. You know, I understand that,
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you know, you have your top teams and your bottom teams,
but it can't be just four teams on top.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Every year that are running run the gauntlet, you know,
and that.
Speaker 8 (43:17):
People just so we've got to, you know, help all
coaches build programs, and we got to support each other
and you know, and and support coaches that you know,
when they do have a good group of kids that
they're they're you know, shouted out to you that they're
getting that what they need to make sure that you know,
their program is built and that is continues to build.
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We've got to help build other programs, you know, to
make all of all the high school football better.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
And part of this mentor program that you speak of
is to get coaches to kind of through those tough
early years. Because it sounds to me, if I'm correct,
coach and Monty Cooler head coach Oda joining us sounds
to me like guys are getting into football coaching or
coaching other sports in high school and it's just it's
a burden and they get out of it quickly. Is
that the case? We just don't have a lot of
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you know, lifers like like you and said Outen and
the rest of them anymore.
Speaker 8 (44:11):
You know, I don't have the numbers to back it up,
but it sure seems like that. You know, I can
really speak to the Metro League and quite a turnover
at times in the Metro.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
League, and I think throughout the state.
Speaker 8 (44:21):
You know, I got when I got a young coach
that you know, I just do whatever I can to
make sure that he's taken care of, that he stays
in the game.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
And then if you can get a young coach, it's
also a teacher. You know. Nobody makes a whole lot
of money coach in high school football.
Speaker 8 (44:36):
So you know, it's important that they you know that
we that they understand that. You know, all that noise
on the outside trying to break you down can't break
you down. You know, what you're doing inside is what's important,
you know. And it's nice to win, but if you're
making a difference in the young man's life, it's just
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even if it's only one kid a season, that's a success.
I mean, that's a in and you know, those are
the things we need to celebrate that we're moving the
game forward at the game of high school and I
know we all know that it's you know, it's about scholarships,
about this, it's about that. But really we need to
understand that high school football is not you know, there
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for those reasons just to build character and all those
buzzwords that have gone on with high school over the years,
because they ring true. They still ring true. That these
kids need it and they're better because they play it.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Many Kohler with US and Coach Kohler is currently tied
with Sid Otten for most wins in the history of
Washington State high school football, and this fall, Coach Kohler
is going to get that record for himself. And so Money,
I'd like to ask you, you know, this is something
we can all relate to. I sometimes wonder if I,
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you know, my sixty one year old self, if I
could write a letter to my thirty five year old
self when I had kids, you know, say hey, look,
this is what I've learned, you know, learn from my wisdom.
If you could sit down and pen a letter to
yourself that you would open up in eighty five, you know,
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things that you could not have anticipated then, but important
things that you've learned along the way, What are some
of the things that you would jot down in that letter.
Speaker 8 (46:27):
Well, I think the first thing would be, and I
think we all know this a coach before, but you
need to celebrate and enjoy the wins. I mean, you know,
you have to and you have to enjoy it with
the kids. And it doesn't matter how you play.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
You know, that old idea of an ugly win whatever.
Speaker 8 (46:44):
There's no such thing. Wins win and you've got to
enjoy those things. Because one of the coaches said it
the thing the other day, you need to celebrate to
win twice as much as you you know, as that
pain of a loss, you know, and that's kind of
I'll live on those losses. So I would definitely want
to enjoy that that journey, you know, of the winds,
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even if you didn't play that well. Just make sure
the kids understand. How again, I think that's part of
what we're trying to do here, is make sure kids
play and stay in the game, and you know, if
you can ac celebrate those wins. And the second thing
I think I've learned is and I've said this before though,
is that the idea that I think when we're young
and we're done. We just live for Friday night, you know,
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the lights and all that. I would tell myself, Hey,
make sure you enjoy Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, because that's.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
What I enjoy now.
Speaker 8 (47:35):
I enjoy the time that you're with the student athletes
and the relationship that you're building in those moments. And
you know, we have to take a bus to practice
every year, and you know, every every day to practice
as a twenty minute bus ride to and from and
our kids, I mean a lot of times when they
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come back to years later.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
You know, God, do you know what I miss most?
The bus?
Speaker 4 (48:00):
Right?
Speaker 2 (48:00):
You know?
Speaker 8 (48:01):
So it's the relationships. It's that locker room, that kind
of stuff. So make sure that you build that, enjoy that,
and celebrate that as well.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
How have you had to adapt? How is how is
coaching an eighteen year old football player in nineteen eighty
five different than coaching an eighteen year old football player
in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Well, I think kids now, I mean I think they're
better than they were in a censein eighty five. I
mean they want to do well, they want to succeed,
they want to compete.
Speaker 8 (48:33):
You just can't they gotta know. I mean two things. One,
you have to have a relationship with them. You know,
it's no longer I'm the coach and you do what
I say, right, you know, you you have to work
hard at building that relationship. And you know, because you know,
there's nothing that's going to happen until they trust you,
and they have to trust you that you have their
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best interests, that you're there for them.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
And it's not about wins and losses or you know, you're.
Speaker 8 (49:00):
The starter, whatever, it's it's about that daily stuff that
you do with them, and you know, just saying hi
and being a part of their lives and make checking
in on them and that.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
So I think kids are really good that way, you know.
Speaker 8 (49:15):
And I think in general kids are you know, they're
they're more motivated, they want to work hard, you know,
and all kids are different levels in relationship to you know,
what football means to them. Some kids are going to
get a completely different experience. But it still needs to
be a positive experience. And you know, I think that's
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for me. I tell my coaches, I mean, we got
to have fun. We have to have fun. It has
to be fun for them because I don't want to
do it if it's not, and so we you know,
there's a gen we've got to do that for the
kids too, and and that talks about you have eighty
kids on your roster, all eighty need to be a
part of that experience. And so that's what I've learned.
You know, I want to make sure that we can
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teaue you to do.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
And you know, again, if you got eighty kids, that
number eighty kid, he feels as good as that number
one kid on your team.
Speaker 8 (50:06):
You know that they're all kind of there for the
same same reason, and they understand even though I'm not playing,
I'm a part of this.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
And I think that's what you have to do.
Speaker 8 (50:15):
I think, and you know the other days that kids
would just run through you know, your coach and do
it whatever you said they would do.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
And those days are gone. And rightly so, and rightly.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
So, coach, it was great to talk to you. Before
we let you go, I got to ask you what
September fifth is gonna look like. First of all, you
got to win the game. It's Graham Capalison if if
my schedule in front of me is correct. But I
know you're not for pomping circumstance and celebration, but the
Oday football family will be So what do you think
that day is going to be like or whatever? You know,
what is the plan when you do break that record?
Speaker 2 (50:48):
There's no plan. I mean, it's another game. I'm sure
somebody's going to try to do something we won't do,
and you know that I don't know, I really don't.
I hope a lot of people.
Speaker 8 (50:59):
You know, Compels is a heck of football team, so
we might have to wait a week or two or
three before it happens, so you never know, and you know,
we've definitely got a lot of work to do because
they're really good, and you know.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
We've lost a lot of good kids. So it'll be
fun no matter what. But the game will be fun.
Speaker 8 (51:16):
The other stuff that it really I mean, it's I
understand the importance of it, but it's not something that
I think about.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
All Right, that answer didn't surprise me at all coming
from you, totally not surprising. And coach, it's just great
to talk to you, and congratulations in advance, and hopefully
we'll talk to you when you when you break that record.
Speaker 8 (51:35):
All right, Well, thank you again and again thanks for
you know, mentioning this mentorship program.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Because it is. It's big, it's.
Speaker 8 (51:41):
Huge, and our Coaches Association, the board and Willie and
you know everybody that they put a lot of hours
to make this happen and it was a huge success.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
So we look forward to doing it again next year.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Thank you, coach, you appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
You bet Yeah. Great. Great to hear from a living
legend and Washington State High School football.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
You yeah, and uh, you know a humble guy as well,
and and uh, it's a long time to be uh
coaching football. And and you know, the thing about Mani
is that, uh, while other teams have I don't want
to say evolved, but but there's a lot of shotgun
around the country, spread formations. You got to get all
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the best athletes to play wide receiver on your team.
Moni's a guy that's just you know that it looks
like night you know don James football just ifirmation just
pound you. They got great line and great backs and
there's a discipline that he teaches in a consistency there.
So their style, you know, you know, is kind of
you know, stands the test of time.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
It's like novacane. Give it time, give it time and
it will always work.
All right, rolling into the five o'clock hour, busy end
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of the show coming up. Brian Schmitzer is going to
join us at five forty five. Monte Cohler, the legend
the legendary coach of the Oday Fighting Irish who has
already and Greg Bell reminded us this today that Greg
was on the call with Chris Kidd in the state
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championship game in the Tacoma Dome where Monty Cohler tied
Sid Aughten for the all time record that was right
here on ninety three point three KJRFM. And he has
one win away from breaking it. We'll talk to him
coming up in the six o'clock hour. But Hugh, we
had John Wilner on the last hour and I just
I simply asked him, you know, obviously there are things,
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there are many things that need to be need to
be changed by college about college football. It's so funny
how the popularity of college football is just going through
the roof. Eyeballs are there, butts are in seats, and
yet we all realize there are things that are just
epically broken in terms of the sport right now. But
they're getting through it with still getting you know, millions
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and millions of eyeballs every single week. But I asked him,
you know, what would have been his primary tenets of change?
Where would he focus if he was the tzar of
college football, or really the czar of all you know,
we'll call it the the revenue sports in college athletics.
How would he make changes and where he would make changes?
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And I'd love to talk about it with you right now.
I mean, I wrote down a couple of things that
that that just popped into mind. And you know, I
have been so so against change in college football for
so long. I mean, I was anti free transfer portal
big time. I wasn't really anti NIL, but I wanted
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to see some structure in the NIL. I always wondered
when this NIL came out, and Softy and I would
wonder aloud, you know when this when this whole and
I thing was coming down. We would sit here on
the air and we'd go, what is preventing some dude
at a car dealership from paying this high school senior
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a million and a half and guys at his NIL
to come to school? And the rules are all, well,
you can't do that with recruits, right, you can't use
money to incite recruits to go to college, and we're
just like, who's who, says, who's stopping it? Right, nobody's
stopping it, And in fact, nobody has stopped it. It
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has just totally run amuck. So I'm willing to bend
on the transfer portal, specifically if you're moving up or
down a level. I think if you get misdiagnosed at
a certain level, and hey, you're supposed to be a
you know, a power two player, a big ten sec player,
(02:52):
and you sign with you know, Indiana or Ohio State
or Michigan or Washington and just you just not good
enough to play at that level, I feel like you
should be able to free transfer down same way as
if you sign with Colorado State and you're a quarterback
and you throw for four thousand yards and forty five
touchdowns and you want to trans Michigan wants you, and
(03:15):
you want to transfer to Michigan, I think you should
be able to free transfer to Michigan. Would I would
love to see the transfer portal get chopped down after
that to the point where, yeah, you're starting to lose
eligibility again. If your coach didn't leave, you sign with
a program and you just kind of decide that I
want to go someplace else, or somebody is offering me
(03:35):
more money someplace else under the table, that's where I
think the punishment should land. That would be my first
and foremost change I would make. And then the second
change I would make. Is this the nil deal you need? Does?
It needs to be out in the open. It needs
to be a contract that is signed that has a
designated period of time. I have signed a two year
(04:00):
contract with the Washington Huskies to be a linebacker, and
I am being paid X amount of money of nil
dollars which could increase over that period but will not decrease,
Meaning I'm locked into a two year commitment. But Motlake
Futures is also locked in to paying me X amount
(04:20):
of dollars that it says on that sheet of paper,
and it can't be less than next amount of dollars,
but it could be more because I could go out
and find more endorsements in the two years that I
play with Washington. So let's start right there, and you
can either comment on those hu or you can, you know,
give me some of your own and we can discuss it.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I think for me, my interpretation is shaped by my
experience and let me explain what I mean. Certainly, let
me get out right in front. I'm not an attorney,
do not have a lot of degree. I was a
player rep for ten of my years in the NFL,
which there's one rep per team you get voted by,
(05:03):
and so I would represent my team various teams through
all of the collective bargaining enterprises and efforts, right, And
I was right there during the time when we were
trying to get free agency part of the NFL, there
had been what's called player indemnity where Joe Montana signs
(05:27):
a contract with the forty nine ers. When his contract's up,
he's still the property of the forty nine ers. He
has no recourse. The only recourse he would have would
be to hold out, say hey, you need me right.
So that's not a lot of leverage by modern standards. Right,
So we're trying to get free agency, and so in
the process I had to acquaint myself with the anti
trust laws. And this is before the internet. So I
(05:49):
would go to local libraries in Orange County when I
represented the RAMS, and by the way, I was flown
back to Washington and had to stand on the witness
stand and get peppered by NFL attorneys. And by the way,
they're really good NFL's attorneys, right, especially when they have
an army out of them coming at you, right, and.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
You're twenty three years old.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
But and then when I was in Atlanta, I went
to Emory Law School, drove my ass to Emory Law School,
just parked myself in the library and just pulled out
anti trust books and and so this is kind of
my layman's understandings for a long time. Well, to me,
it was just like I need to be educated because
I'm the liaison between my team and the union operation.
(06:32):
And so I'm representing, you know, the Falcons or the Patriots,
and and then I have to in turn go back
and communicate to my team, you know, the the material
aspects of what's happening with union matters, right, And particularly
when you were going through the free agency, the effort
to to have free agency was you know, it is
(06:54):
important for me to be aware of this. So now
as I and basically what you have that this is
the simple I think every fan should understand this. There
are certain aspects of the let's call the NFL, and
I'm going to get to the college. Okay, because I'm gona,
I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about what I know more
and then we'll apply it to the college. There are
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certain aspects of the NFL operation that are patently in
violation of anti trust law. Take the NFL draft. The
idea that you can just you can just say, hey,
you're not going to have any freedom to negotiate your
contract or where you want to live. We're just going
to draft you and we're going to slot you. That
is patently anti trust. Anti trust is specifically the German
(07:40):
Anti Trust Act that's been around for over one hundred
years guiding American businesses. It's you can think of an
anti trust as anti competition that the anti trust laws
are designed to to prevent prevent practices by businesses that
are anti competition. They want to stimulate competition, right, okay,
But within the anti trust laws, then you have the
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labor laws, specifically the Wagner Labor Act. The labor laws
will supersede the anti trust laws.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
If you collectively bargain, you can take your rights. In essence,
the players can say, hey, we've got these really cool
rights with anti trust. We can hold this as leverage, Like, hey, owners,
your freaking draft is so freaking illegal, right and and so,
but we will agree to it. We will accede to
your your draft provided you give us forty nine percent
(08:35):
of the revenue and you know, wages, hours in terms
of employment. Those are the things that you're discussing in
collective bargaining agreement, which basically covers everything. Hey, we don't
want to have long mini camps, we don't want to
have contact and training, we want to have more pension,
you know, contributions to pension. Give us all this stuff
that we want, and we'll let you break the law,
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the anti trust right. And then the courts will not
they will not find you guilty of anti trust violation
because it was collectively bargained. And again remember this term
that will labor laws supersede the anti trust laws. And
so so we went that so so and then even
we had to desertify as a union when we had
an impasse to get to get the operation analyzed under
(09:22):
anti trust law. Basically we're saying, hey guy, hey NFL,
we're gonna we're gonna nail you an anti trust and
you know you're gonna lose. And so that drives them
to the bargaining and and that's where we had. You know,
you end up having collective bargaining agreements now and with
college understand this. The Supreme Court and the the n
(09:45):
c A was fools. They lost in a lower court
about education and related compensation. Just you know, Pewter plans
for me sing nothing. Oh we're losing.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
We're losing. The use me, yeah, just for it, just
for a second, just for a second, we might might act. Yep,
yeah it sounds good. Now, yep, we're good.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Okay, So let's now let's talk about college football Austin
versus the NCAA. I believe it was twenty twenty one.
I might be off by a year. I think the
summer twenty twenty one that the players we were suing
the NCAA for restrictions on education related compensation. It was
(10:29):
only education like computers or or musical instruments for music
majors or you know, a few post graduate like It
was insignificant, and the court sided with the players.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Okay, it was.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
The NCAA then appealed it to the appellate court, not
the players. The players didn't lose an appeal. The NCAA
lost and then appealed, and so then the NCAA, when
they lost in the appellate court, they said, well, let's
take it to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
So they took it to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Awesome, and they got their ass handed to them nine
to nothing. And in the process some very dormant legal
matters about legal questions about hey, how would the Supreme
Court view the amateur status of college football players? And
(11:20):
this is going back to some TV issue this is
Oklahoma and Georgia versus the NCAA, about that's the last
time that Supreme Court had weighed in on the college
football model, the amateur model. Because the NCAA is basically saying, hey,
you fans, you will not go to a Husky You'll
(11:40):
go to a Seahawk game and watch the Seahawks knowing
that the quarterback is making thirty million, But you won't
go to to a Husky game if you know that
you're watching professionals down there. There has to be an
amateur distinction. That was the NCAA's position. And so then
the chess court you turn around and you say, well,
(12:02):
what is the least restrictive system that you could have
and still and and the business still thrives. So when
the players were getting nothing, I mean these stipends, you
can't even pay your bills. If the NCAA had just
been a little less greedy, just give away, they were
the ones that kept appealing, just educated, really just take
(12:22):
the L, NCAA, take the L. They got lousy legal
advice because they end up taking it up to the
NCAA and losing, excuse me, the Supreme Court and losing
nine to nothing. And this this is not a liberal court.
This is a court that overturned row versus weight, Like
this is really lousy legal advice that the NCAA had
and they were too freaking greedy. And so now what
(12:44):
how how did they interpret this one question?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
If they had done exactly what you said and just
given a little where do you think.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Still would have been ambiguity about where the laws lie
on the amateur that Supreme Court would not have weighed
in on the on the amateur argument that the NCAA
is held for decades.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
So which is again and we wouldn't have an I
L yet.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Uh there there would be there, Yes, there would be Uh, well,
I can't say exactly what would have happened. But the
floodgates have opened up because the nc The I keep saying,
the Supreme Court of the nca the Supreme Court, let
me say it again. The Supreme Court. They looked at
this and they weighed in on the model. They said,
(13:29):
not only is it are you the NCAA, you member
institutions of the NCAA. Not only are you exposed? Are
you gonna lose this? This education compensation again just violence
and computers deal. The entire compensation is patently anti trust,
It is anti competition. It is horizontal price fixing. What
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is horizontal price fixing. Let's take Reggie Bush, a very
famous athlete who got in a lot of trouble with
the NCAA. When Reggie Bush was offered a scholarship by
USC and his stipend was only called it, you know,
because this LA was more expensive. We'll call it nineteen
hundred bucks. And let's say down in Austin, you know,
it was seventeen hundred, and then you go up to
(14:10):
South Bend, Indiana and it's sixteen fifty. And you go
to Athens, Georgia and it's eighteen fifty. Like it's basically
that is horizontal price fixing. In the eyes of the
Supreme Court, it is anti trust, is it is anti competition,
and it's illegal. And the Supreme Court said, look, your
(14:30):
model cannot supply a survived anti trust scrutiny. And so
then say brought this upon themselves. They didn't have to
have done that. And so the Supreme Court they call
the players the labor. This is a multi billion dollar enterprise,
and the players are not players, they are labor. And
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there's horizontal price fixing. When you tell Reggie Bush that
his stipend is only going to be about two thousand
dollars or less no matter where he goes, that is
horizontal price fixing. And the analogy that the Supreme Court
used was the fallowing. This is not a humilli in analogy.
This is a Supreme Court they said. They compared the
model the NCAA compensation model to it would be as
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if all of the restaurant owners in a community conspired
to suppress the wages of the chefs and their defense
and Anti Trust Court is the only reason the patrons
go into these restaurants is because they know the chef's
wages are being suppressed. They won't have interesting going to
(15:37):
those restaurants if they think the chefs are getting fair
market value. They only want to have interest in this
restaurant if they know that those chefs are being hammered
and be and and their rights are being violated in
ani trust. So this is the this is the this
is the foundation, This is the climate. This is the
(15:58):
lens through which I see these things. So every time
you when you asked John Wilner, if you were the czar,
what would you do? The first thing I think is,
whatever your plan is, all the things that think that
we think are common sense, they have to survive anti
trust scrutiny. Or you have to have a system where
you have collective bargaining by the players so that they
(16:20):
on the aggregate can now supersede the anti trust laws.
And until we get that to sitting there talking about
what should happen, he said, no, no, no, see it
from the Supreme Court's view about competition, and if you're
suppressing the right of an of adult American the labor,
if you're suppressing his rights in any anti competitive way,
(16:43):
you are running a foul of the anti trust laws
and the and the Supreme Court has made that clear.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
So we'll see if my changes pass that sniff test
of anti trust. In the next segment, I want to
get your take as well before we talk to Brian
Schwetzer at five forty five on ninety three point three
kJ RFM.
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Speaker 1 (17:17):
Brian Spenzel joined us in fifteen minutes, the head coach
of Seattle Sounders FC, following their draw over the weekend
to the Portland Timbers, Monty Cohler, the winning US coach
in Washington state football history. Along with sid Otten, they
are tied right now at the top. Sid Aughton has
since retired, the great coach from tom Water. Monty Cohler
(17:39):
is still going in the fortieth year, forty years at
oday high School. You'll join us at six o'clock today.
But you know, Hugh, listening to you educate us on
the anti trust situation, I mean it seems to me
like no matter how idyllic my selectutions are for fixing
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college football, nothing is going to be done without collective bargaining,
meaning nothing's going to be done without a player's union, right,
I mean, how can we have contracts for an NIAOL deal?
How can I force Demon Williams to sign a three
year contract with the University of Washington for fifteen million
(18:22):
dollars if there's nothing to stop him from saying no,
I'm not going to do that. There's no I mean,
there has to be something has to be collectively bargained
from the players, doesn't or is there a way that
the NCAA can somewhat put the genie back in the
bottle and repair just some of the damage that they
(18:44):
have done over the last five years.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, well, I think mostly the answers are either collective
bargaining agreement or lobbying Congress. Get Congress involved to have
some type of legislation that includes exemption from anti trust
because right now that just just left to their own devices.
(19:07):
The players, again, who are the labor, are going to
have a lot of protection because the courts are very
interested in stifling and preventing anti competitive prohibitions. So you know,
you can just basically default if you think that that's
(19:27):
likely to be anti competitive. It's likely that the court
thinks that so my my reading and understanding. So what then,
you know, I'll ask you the question that I asked John.
I mean, what what principal tenants need to change in
college football that you think are actually feasible to do
in the in the short term, meaning the next few years. Yeah, well,
(19:49):
you'd like to see certainly some type of adherence to contracts,
right that that if there's going to be an ni
L world, and we've got we've got the house settlement
that's coming up where the the players are going to
be receiving portions of the revenue, right and and so
(20:15):
you've you've got that, so players are going to be
uh receiving that and but they will still be they
will still be available to receive nil. And in that case,
I would like to see that the contracts are adhere to, right, Like,
if the player signs for a certain service, there's an
understanding that he, you know, he's got to fulfill that
(20:37):
end of the contract. Well, how about fulfilling.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
The end of the con the fulfilling what ni L
was supposed to be in the first place, which was
using your name, image and likeness to market yourself in
order to make money. When the nil world has in
a lot of cases has I'm sure in the NIL
world works in some places too. I'm sure you know
(21:01):
some Michael Pennix did some NIL things and did some
great things in the community. That was that was under
the guise of n I L where he was providing
a service, he was actually doing something to earn his
NIL money outside of just being the quarterback of the
Washington Huskies. But it happened so many, so many places
where you're just getting a paycheck for doing nothing other
(21:23):
than being a star player on a football team. And
how can we how can we turn how can we
turn it back into NI L instead of just getting
paid to play college?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Can't?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
It's it's it is literally impossible, And I think that
it was foreseen. The idea that NI E O NIO
would not be used in recruiting is utterly unenforceable from
any pragmatic sense there because if so, let's let's start
with what you said, Okay, let's try and be let's
let's have some maintenance of purity in this that the
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only people who are going to get n I L
money are the people that are actually out on the
field and producing. And then because they're producing, their naming,
image and likeness will have value. And then and only
then will they have an NIL deal. Well, if like
(22:17):
right now Ohio State is let's go with twenty five
million that's been reported. I don't know, it may increase,
but let's just say they have and I twenty five
million dollar nil. That is something that the players know.
They know from a recruiting standpoint. They they know how
my son, I got a son in the SEC that's
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getting a more NIL than is his his scholarships Titan
and I sat there right across from the desk of
the coach with my son, and so I've been an
eyewitness to how this process works. It's impossible the lines
of recruiting mean beforehand versus compensation afterhand. It's just nothing
(23:06):
that can be enforced. And because you're always going to
be recruiting, and the player, now that we have the
NIL world, you're always you're always gonna have a recruiting
check right, tell me when you disagree. And there's always
going to be a knowledge that the recruits have of
the general budget that the schools have in their collective right.
(23:35):
Like if the Huskies, for example, they got Montague futures,
so the recruits know what's available to them in monke futures.
Maybe not down to the dollar, but they have a
pretty good idea and they can compare that against what
Indiana may have.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Right, So.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Yeah, I just think it's I just kind of rule
my eyes at the idea that NIL was never meant
to h to be part of a recruitment and just
say it sounds you know what it is. That is
just platitudes, because when it comes down to actually implementing
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the system, no system can be drawn up to prevent
recruit nil recruiting.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
As far as the transfer portal, are you in favor
of just keeping it as is or it's just a
complete open door all the time with multiple transfer windows
each year.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
No, I don't like that. It doesn't seem fair. Again,
I'm always running the filter through what what can pass
anti trust scrutiny in the absence of any collective bargaining agreement.
Certainly contracts can be written, but you know, things can
you can be challenged.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
But no, I don't I don't like the.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Idea that a player can can move four times. But
the the end is you know, helpless or powerless. Yes, totally,
And so you know, until there's some structure that is
either collectively bargained or mandated from the legislative branch of government.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I just don't see it. Do you think contracts nil
contracts you might be able to marry those with the
transfer portal in saying okay, we're going to give you
athletes like like what I mentioned before, it's like, okay,
we're going to give you some security here, like a
contract in football, right, and you can either choose to
(25:39):
just you know, go day by day with your nil
money and nothing is guaranteed past today. It could be
pulled tomorrow. But you also have the right to transfer
in the next transfer window if you wish, or we
can offer you this you stay. You know, you know,
somebody from you know, a company that is giving millions
of dollars to a school can come to a recruit
(26:01):
and say, hey, we are willing to be we are
willing to sponsor you quarterback guy, but we want to
know you're staying in our city and you're playing for
our football team. So we are willing to give you
a three year contract worth X amount of dollars to
be the quarterback of this football team. Now, if you
lose your job, you lose your job, you still get
the money, but we just want your commitment to the city.
(26:23):
Is that something that would pass the sniff test and
maybe encourage athletes to be like, Okay, maybe I should
be tied down a little bit to a contract because
this is a nice junk of money they're giving me
for three years. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Perhaps, Again, I've tried to apply what I learned, you know,
and and how that applied to the National Football League,
and so I've learned basic tenants. I would say the
concern that I would have about that model would be, Okay,
what about coaches? There are coaches, and the Supreme Courts
(26:57):
will compare the freedom that coach just have who move?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
You know?
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Or Junior Adams, the wide receiver coach for University of Washington.
That dude had like four jobs in two years he
had He was the the Appalachian State offense coordinated for
two weeks. Right, I think it would be the whole
thing if.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
We do it with the same way we do with coaches.
You'd have a buyout. If a school is willing to
give a kid a two million dollar buyout to his
nil to that collective, that's how you would do it.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
That's how you do it if but I think that
there may be some some consideration that the player window
of opportunity is only four years.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Right right, five thirty nine on ninety three point three
kJ RFM, Brian Smetzer will join us. Next, we'll talk
about his draw with Portland and what's upcoming, and then
Monty Kohler will join Hugh and myself at six o'clock
on ninety three point three KJRFM.
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Speaker 1 (28:11):
Dun Dun dunk dunk Dun duck dun Dna dun Dana
dund dun dun dun dun d I love the fact
they've kept this song. I mean they have this was
I was like five and they had this song. You
might have been negative years old. Actually, well it came out.
What's what's beauty? There's many beautiful things about the Sounders.
The one beautiful one, really particularly beautifuling for me is
(28:32):
the nineteen seventy four that's plastered all over their logo.
That's the year I was born. So that's you were zero.
I was zero. You were zero, Brian Smith. So coach
of Seattle Sounders FC, joins us, how are you, Brian good?
Speaker 5 (28:47):
That is a snappy tune.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You can sing along.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
It's it's it's it gets time.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Is there no words to it? Brian?
Speaker 6 (28:54):
I never knew If there were words supposed to go
to it.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
I don't know, but it was like da, I mean,
you just made up words as you.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Went along, exactly. Screw Portland, Screw Portland. Dun dun dun
dun dun, something like that.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Oh well, speaking of Portland, the draw against Portland. You know,
we've talked about good draws before, We've talked about bad,
ugly kiss your sister draws before. Where does this one
hold last? Where does this one land on the continuum
of draws here?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Coach?
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Well, it's you know, it could be in between the
two extremes that you just pointed out.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
You know, we were.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Disappointed in many ways because we felt we had a
chance to win. I hate giving up soft goals, and
I think the goal that we gave up. I mean, look,
they're going to say it was a great goal, but
there were some tactical things and I'm sure Jackson's gonna
ask me about, but there's some tactical breakdowns on that clip.
And you know it's our arch rival. So we had
(29:56):
the lead and we couldn't hold on, and we had
some chances and and score the second one, and you know,
at the end of the game, they weren't doing much.
I mean, they were just sitting back trying to defend.
So in that sense, it was pretty good.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Brian, It's funny. I did something that I never do.
After the game was over. I went on to the
Timbers feeds on the internet and saw what Timbers fans, why.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Would you do that here?
Speaker 6 (30:17):
So you know, it's interesting because to your question, Dick,
and to Brian your answer, I wanted to see what
their perspective was because I was kind of like, I
feel like Seattle was the better team throughout the ninety minutes,
but sort of our Portland fans feeling lucky to get
a point and a lot of them weren't. So it
was interesting, right even though and we can talk about
the tactical element of the goal that you gave up
(30:39):
and that they scored, we said on the post game
that I thought it was a great goal that they scored.
But ultimately I think that a lot of Portland people
are feeling a little bit lucky to come away with
just a point.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
I would I would agree.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
I mean, look, I didn't go on the Portland chat boards.
That would really be that I'm desperate for something. But
there was some good half chances. Look statistically, I know,
you know, we had thirteen shots to four, we had
eight corner kicks, we won the duels battles.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
So there's a narrative there.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Based on statistics that you know agrees with.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
Some of the fans from Portland might have thought.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
So a long road trip comes to an end one
one and one when a loss of draw Houston, La Portland.
If I if I had to ask you, and maybe
we did, I don't remember if we asked you. If
we asked you a couple of weeks ago before this,
if you would have taken one, one and one on
three games in a row on the road before coming home,
would you have taken it?
Speaker 5 (31:36):
I would have, Dick. But what I wouldn't have liked,
or as well, I still don't like it was just
the way we play I mean sometimes that's more important
for the mental health of the team. You know, that
game midweek against LAFC ME and they took it to us,
So that was a bit of a bummer there with
the score line being four zero. And you know, you
(31:57):
want to be competitive in every match, and I think
we have been.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
Uh you know, maybe the other you know, bad result
was the Cruise Azul.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Match that we they took it to us. But you know,
we want to be competitive in every match, home and away.
And you know if you are, if you work and
you you have a five hundred record on the road,
and you win most of your home games or just
over half of your home games, you'll be sitting good
when the playoff pitcher arrives.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Brian, I have no idea what you're talking about. Before nothing,
I went to see the Men in Black after that game,
so you got from in front of your eyes, gotcha
a couple of items of business, Brian. Uh, you know,
I did go on the Seattle message boards. One question
that came up was Pedro de la Vega didn't start
in Portland.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
No JP on the bench.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Just making sure that they are still fully healthy, no
knocks and are going to be good to go this week.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
They're totally fine. JP had played heavy minutes against the
l AFC that he came down with some food poisoning,
uh de la Vega. You know there's an injury risk.
Last time he got injured, Remember he was playing on
short rest. I played him like a Wednesday Saturday, and
I wasn't going to make the same mistake twice. So
they're both ready to go and they'll be available for
(33:12):
selection for these next three games.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
So last week you said that Jackson O Reagan was
a possibility for Dallas. Is he still a possibility for Dallas.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
He is going to go through full training this week, Dick,
and if he makes it to full training then he'll
be available as wrong.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
That is some great news, Brian.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
You got so many midfielders here and Brian Schmitzer joining
US Seattle Sounders FC head coach, and so many midfields
to choose from. Obviously, it's another busy week, three home
games and nine days coming up, starting with Dallas on Saturday,
and I'm wondering as you figure out how you put
the first game of these nine together. In the midfield,
(33:51):
specifically hayesus Ferra, you know, facing his former team in Dallas.
But looking at the production he's given you and maybe
not given you over the course. So this first third
of the season, as you measure him again up against Pedro,
up against you know, Ryan Kent and everybody else, you know,
how does he factor into that ranking of who to
(34:11):
start amongst those attacking midfielders.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
Oh, we're gonna have to wait and see for my
life of choices on the weekend. But look, he's got
a lot of assists. I think he's the leading assist
getter on the team.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
He played well down in Portland.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
He kept the ball for us well, I mean we
had we won the possession duel as well. I mean
we had more possession than them. He helped us out
of some jams. Pego's electric. You know, people like to
watch him because he flies around and he shoots, and
he does things that's not necessarily you know, that's not
necessarily Hateseus's you know what his personality is like, he's
(34:49):
a little quieter. Ryan Kent has come on and done
a really good job as a sub and and everybody's all.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
Excited about him. But you know that game against Portland,
he he he didn't quite have all his dribbling skills
in the first half up to up to par So
there's gonna be some tough choices to make for this
first game, and then we'll kind of follow through with
the last last two in the three game week.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Did you like Jackson's sneaky thirty second way of basically
just asking you who's starting on Saturday? Did you like
that he was kind of weaving in and right well
Saturday against Dallas. I was surprised to see Jackson told
me pregame starts at eleven thirty in the morning. I
was like, this must be a game in Texas. No,
(35:34):
it's a game here, noon start. Do you like a
noon start on the West Coast?
Speaker 5 (35:39):
I hate them?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Actually?
Speaker 7 (35:42):
Why?
Speaker 5 (35:44):
I don't think our record in afternoon games is very
good Jackson. That's something you can look up and we
can discuss tomorrow. But I don't think our record at
home isn't great when we have afternoon kickoffs.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Brand just wrapping it up. Give us just a couple
of seconds here on on Dallas. This team that you
beat one nothing on the road facing on Saturday.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Yeah, Acosta their biggest player out due to suspension, but
they'll be underdog the coach is going to get them
fired up, and they won a little bit of a revenge.
I mean, that was the thing that got us started
on our little winning streak, and I'm sure they'd like
to start one of their own as well.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Go get them, Go get them. We'll be watching and
listening on Saturday. Thanks coach, Thanks coaching.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
Okay, thanks Dick Cia Jackson.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
You bet Sounders against Dallas on Saturday. Head on out
there to a loom and Field for that one. You
can also listen right here. Jackson felt in the pregame
at eleven thirty am. That is just weird at the Sounders.
A brunch with the Sounders. Indeed, on Saturday. We'll get
back to Hugh when we come back at the top
of the hour headlines and the winningest coach now tied
for the winningest coach in State of Washington high school
(36:52):
football history, Monty Kohler, is going to join us. Coming
up the next segment of ninety three point three KJRFM.
All right, rolling into the six o'clock hour, Hugh Reed
joins us Jackson when our next guest coached his first
game for the Oday Fighting Irish, I'm going to give
you one guess and you'll be able to answer this question. Okay,
(37:13):
I'm gonna give you one. Guess who just came off
an Orange Bowl championship as the quarterback of the Washington Huskies.
Was it mister Breedlove? You was mister Breedlove? And that
is that is how long Money cole Because hughes like
ninety now so so an impressive run by Money Cohler,
(37:35):
the head coach of the ODAI Fighting Irish and now
tied for the winningest coach in high school football history. Coach,
it's good to talk to I haven't talked to you
since the Varsity Football Live days. How are you?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I'm doing great? Thank you. Yeah, it's still out of
still enjoying every day of it.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Well.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Talk a little bit about what happened this weekend. There
was a really cool event at the vMac, kind of
a two part special event. I was a notified by
the Washington State Football Coaches Association. You guys were doing this.
You had a Hall of Fame induction ceremony for Tony
Davis of Tahoma, Randy Afalter from Kennewick, Rocky Patching from
(38:16):
North Thurston, and then you also had this new new
and aspiring head coach mentorship program. So I'd love to
just get your take on what it was like this
weekend at that great event.
Speaker 8 (38:29):
It was awesome. I mean it was one of the
better things we've done in a while. Obviously, the Hall
of Fame thing is great. Those are great guys and
deserving and you know, and then just to have it
at the Seahawks facility, you know, is really special. And
so you know, shout out to the Seahawks, Kyle Doherty
and Mario Bailey for allowing high school coaches to put
(38:53):
this on there, and and then the support that they
gave us, you know, funding a lot of the stuff
to make the little lunching and that the ceremony happened,
and just you know, like I said, being in that facility,
being in that team room is pretty special. And then
the mentorship program was just uh again, it's something.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Uh we've talked about.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
You know, our secretary, Will Garrel put a lot of
time and effort and make this happen for us, and
and but it was kind of the you know, we
want to make sure high school football stays relevant, stays important,
and you know, being a high.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
School football coach, being any high.
Speaker 8 (39:34):
School coach is hard these days, and you know, just
the idea that we had some you know, mentorship people
there to talk. And we kicked it off with maybe
one of my favorite coaches of all time, Randy Hart,
who just you know, yeah, Randy had the had him
on there the edge of their seat.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
You know.
Speaker 8 (39:53):
And his message wasn't just to the I mean, the
purpose was to get first and second year head coaches
and then young coach is that want to be head coaches.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
But there were a lot of us old guys.
Speaker 8 (40:02):
In the room and again Randy just inspired us to
you know, continue to do what we're doing. And then
obviously gave us some great insights into his career and
into Don James and what it meant to be a
coach and and the importance that we you know that
we hoped that we're making, uh the difference in the
lives of some of these young kids. So and so
(40:24):
Randy started it off and he again just set to
toone for just a wonderful day. And then we had
brought in coaches, you know, older coaches, uh you know
Tom Batner and uh Van Dalen and those guys, and uh,
you know, just from different Village and Adam Mathieson and
just older coaches and just so we had these different
(40:46):
panels in the morning and then different panels in the
afternoon with some college coaches talk about recruiting and and
you know, and then so the coaches would rotate through
these sessions and and I went to a couple of them,
and again it was one of the better things I've
been to. You know, Randy and I talked about it afterwards,
(41:06):
you know, because it was around he it was a talk.
They had a question and they just you know, we're asking,
you know, just questions. Well, I got a fire coach
that I've worked with me and you know, he's not
doing how do I do this? And how do I
do that? You know, And there was plenty of experience
in the room. And then again to listen to the
young coaches and their perspective on things, it was like, wow,
(41:29):
that's cool because they come from a different place than
I come through from and some of the older guys.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
So it was really refreshing. And you know, I think
the state of football, you know, if.
Speaker 8 (41:39):
We can keep going this and keep these young guys
involved in the game, the state of football high school
football in the state of Washington is in a pretty
good place.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Money Kohler, head coach of Oda high school football with
us and and Money you said there that the goal
is to keep high school football the words you said
relative and important. So I think for all of us,
who you know are Seahawk fans and Husky fans, and
and and and fans of this great game, You've got
(42:08):
a lot of you got a lot of years under
your belt to watch the development of high school football.
What are concerns that you have? What what are what
are things that really need to be focused upon so that,
in your words, high school football stays relevant and important.
Speaker 8 (42:26):
Well, I think that you know, the numbers, We've got
to keep the numbers up, you know, and that there's
parts to that that and one of those is safety,
you know, And I think we do a great job
in the state on the safety aspect of high school football.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
But the other side of that is, you know, we
got to take care of coaches. You know.
Speaker 8 (42:47):
I think that you know what I see and again
this is just my opinion now, so is that you know,
school has become destination spots for different sports. So you
want to play football, you go to that school. Basketball,
you know, so we got to make sure that the
state of Washington is competitive. You know, I understand that,
(43:09):
you know, you have your top teams and your bottom teams,
but it can't be just four teams on top.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Every year that are running run the gauntlet, you know,
and that.
Speaker 8 (43:17):
People just so we've got to, you know, help all
coaches build programs, and we got to support each other
and you know, and and support coaches that you know,
when they do have a good group of kids that
they're they're you know, shouted out to you that they're
getting that what they need to make sure that you know,
their program is built and that is continues to build.
(43:38):
We've got to help build other programs, you know, to
make all of all the high school football better.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
And part of this mentor program that you speak of
is to get coaches to kind of through those tough
early years. Because it sounds to me, if I'm correct,
coach and Monty Cooler head coach Oda joining us sounds
to me like guys are getting into football coaching or
coaching other sports in high school and it's just it's
a burden and they get out of it quickly. Is
that the case? We just don't have a lot of
(44:06):
you know, lifers like like you and said Outen and
the rest of them anymore.
Speaker 8 (44:11):
You know, I don't have the numbers to back it up,
but it sure seems like that. You know, I can
really speak to the Metro League and quite a turnover
at times in the Metro.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
League, and I think throughout the state.
Speaker 8 (44:21):
You know, I got when I got a young coach
that you know, I just do whatever I can to
make sure that he's taken care of, that he stays
in the game.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
And then if you can get a young coach, it's
also a teacher. You know. Nobody makes a whole lot
of money coach in high school football.
Speaker 8 (44:36):
So you know, it's important that they you know that
we that they understand that. You know, all that noise
on the outside trying to break you down can't break
you down. You know, what you're doing inside is what's important,
you know. And it's nice to win, but if you're
making a difference in the young man's life, it's just
(44:56):
even if it's only one kid a season, that's a success.
I mean, that's a in and you know, those are
the things we need to celebrate that we're moving the
game forward at the game of high school and I
know we all know that it's you know, it's about scholarships,
about this, it's about that. But really we need to
understand that high school football is not you know, there
(45:18):
for those reasons just to build character and all those
buzzwords that have gone on with high school over the years,
because they ring true. They still ring true. That these
kids need it and they're better because they play it.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Many Kohler with US and Coach Kohler is currently tied
with Sid Otten for most wins in the history of
Washington State high school football, and this fall, Coach Kohler
is going to get that record for himself. And so Money,
I'd like to ask you, you know, this is something
we can all relate to. I sometimes wonder if I,
(45:55):
you know, my sixty one year old self, if I
could write a letter to my thirty five year old
self when I had kids, you know, say hey, look,
this is what I've learned, you know, learn from my wisdom.
If you could sit down and pen a letter to
yourself that you would open up in eighty five, you know,
(46:15):
things that you could not have anticipated then, but important
things that you've learned along the way, What are some
of the things that you would jot down in that letter.
Speaker 8 (46:27):
Well, I think the first thing would be, and I
think we all know this a coach before, but you
need to celebrate and enjoy the wins. I mean, you know,
you have to and you have to enjoy it with
the kids. And it doesn't matter how you play.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
You know, that old idea of an ugly win whatever.
Speaker 8 (46:44):
There's no such thing. Wins win and you've got to
enjoy those things. Because one of the coaches said it
the thing the other day, you need to celebrate to
win twice as much as you you know, as that
pain of a loss, you know, and that's kind of
I'll live on those losses. So I would definitely want
to enjoy that that journey, you know, of the winds,
(47:05):
even if you didn't play that well. Just make sure
the kids understand. How again, I think that's part of
what we're trying to do here, is make sure kids
play and stay in the game, and you know, if
you can ac celebrate those wins. And the second thing
I think I've learned is and I've said this before though,
is that the idea that I think when we're young
and we're done. We just live for Friday night, you know,
(47:26):
the lights and all that. I would tell myself, Hey,
make sure you enjoy Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, because that's.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
What I enjoy now.
Speaker 8 (47:35):
I enjoy the time that you're with the student athletes
and the relationship that you're building in those moments. And
you know, we have to take a bus to practice
every year, and you know, every every day to practice
as a twenty minute bus ride to and from and
our kids, I mean a lot of times when they
(47:56):
come back to years later.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
You know, God, do you know what I miss most?
The bus?
Speaker 4 (48:00):
Right?
Speaker 2 (48:00):
You know?
Speaker 8 (48:01):
So it's the relationships. It's that locker room, that kind
of stuff. So make sure that you build that, enjoy that,
and celebrate that as well.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
How have you had to adapt? How is how is
coaching an eighteen year old football player in nineteen eighty
five different than coaching an eighteen year old football player
in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Well, I think kids now, I mean I think they're
better than they were in a censein eighty five. I
mean they want to do well, they want to succeed,
they want to compete.
Speaker 8 (48:33):
You just can't they gotta know. I mean two things. One,
you have to have a relationship with them. You know,
it's no longer I'm the coach and you do what
I say, right, you know, you you have to work
hard at building that relationship. And you know, because you know,
there's nothing that's going to happen until they trust you,
and they have to trust you that you have their
(48:54):
best interests, that you're there for them.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
And it's not about wins and losses or you know, you're.
Speaker 8 (49:00):
The starter, whatever, it's it's about that daily stuff that
you do with them, and you know, just saying hi
and being a part of their lives and make checking
in on them and that.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
So I think kids are really good that way, you know.
Speaker 8 (49:15):
And I think in general kids are you know, they're
they're more motivated, they want to work hard, you know,
and all kids are different levels in relationship to you know,
what football means to them. Some kids are going to
get a completely different experience. But it still needs to
be a positive experience. And you know, I think that's
(49:38):
for me. I tell my coaches, I mean, we got
to have fun. We have to have fun. It has
to be fun for them because I don't want to
do it if it's not, and so we you know,
there's a gen we've got to do that for the
kids too, and and that talks about you have eighty
kids on your roster, all eighty need to be a
part of that experience. And so that's what I've learned.
You know, I want to make sure that we can
(49:59):
teaue you to do.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
And you know, again, if you got eighty kids, that
number eighty kid, he feels as good as that number
one kid on your team.
Speaker 8 (50:06):
You know that they're all kind of there for the
same same reason, and they understand even though I'm not playing,
I'm a part of this.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
And I think that's what you have to do.
Speaker 8 (50:15):
I think, and you know the other days that kids
would just run through you know, your coach and do
it whatever you said they would do.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
And those days are gone. And rightly so, and rightly.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
So, coach, it was great to talk to you. Before
we let you go, I got to ask you what
September fifth is gonna look like. First of all, you
got to win the game. It's Graham Capalison if if
my schedule in front of me is correct. But I
know you're not for pomping circumstance and celebration, but the
Oday football family will be So what do you think
that day is going to be like or whatever? You know,
what is the plan when you do break that record?
Speaker 2 (50:48):
There's no plan. I mean, it's another game. I'm sure
somebody's going to try to do something we won't do,
and you know that I don't know, I really don't.
I hope a lot of people.
Speaker 8 (50:59):
You know, Compels is a heck of football team, so
we might have to wait a week or two or
three before it happens, so you never know, and you know,
we've definitely got a lot of work to do because
they're really good, and you know.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
We've lost a lot of good kids. So it'll be
fun no matter what. But the game will be fun.
Speaker 8 (51:16):
The other stuff that it really I mean, it's I
understand the importance of it, but it's not something that
I think about.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
All Right, that answer didn't surprise me at all coming
from you, totally not surprising. And coach, it's just great
to talk to you, and congratulations in advance, and hopefully
we'll talk to you when you when you break that record.
Speaker 8 (51:35):
All right, Well, thank you again and again thanks for
you know, mentioning this mentorship program.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Because it is. It's big, it's.
Speaker 8 (51:41):
Huge, and our Coaches Association, the board and Willie and
you know everybody that they put a lot of hours
to make this happen and it was a huge success.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
So we look forward to doing it again next year.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Thank you, coach, you appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
You bet Yeah. Great. Great to hear from a living
legend and Washington State High School football.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
You yeah, and uh, you know a humble guy as well,
and and uh, it's a long time to be uh
coaching football. And and you know, the thing about Mani
is that, uh, while other teams have I don't want
to say evolved, but but there's a lot of shotgun
around the country, spread formations. You got to get all
(52:22):
the best athletes to play wide receiver on your team.
Moni's a guy that's just you know that it looks
like night you know don James football just ifirmation just
pound you. They got great line and great backs and
there's a discipline that he teaches in a consistency there.
So their style, you know, you know, is kind of
you know, stands the test of time.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
It's like novacane. Give it time, give it time and
it will always work.
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