May 22, 2025 • 35 mins
In the first hour, Dick Fain, Hugh Millen, and Jackson Felts react to last night’s wild NBA game, the NBA playoffs going on right now plus the product in general and feelings of it by sports fans in Seattle who currently hate the NBA, then get to some Fun with Audio.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Boy Boy Hugh.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Last night was one of those games that I just
wish that we had some sort of piping into Kevin
Collaboro because there were chickens flying all over that barnyard
last night. There were magic carpet rides going on last
night at Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Just an unbelievable game.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I mean, one of those really, one of those games
that happens maybe once a decade in this league, and
they were bringing up memories of one that happened thirty
years ago in the same venue between the two teams
with Reggie Miller and the Choke signed to Spike Lee.
I mean, it was that type of atmosphere. Just to
throw some numbers out for those that haven't seen the
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type of comeback that the Pacers had last night against
the Knicks. Teams up fourteen or more in the playoffs
in the final two fifty before last night, all time
in the play by player, as far far back as
they can actually tell, who was ahead by fourteen or more.
Nine hundred and seventy seven and zero was the record
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of teams fourteen points or more up in the final
two fifty. Teams up nine or more in the final
minute of the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Or overtime of a playoff game.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
One thousand, four hundred and fourteen and zero oh was
the record. The Pacers now have won games in this
playoffs four times when they trailed by fourteen or more
at some point, including down seven with thirty four seconds left,
down seven with forty six seconds left, and last night
(01:43):
down nine with fifty two seconds left. In that it
has just been an unbelievable three weeks of basketball in
this playoffs. We're only basically halfway through them. We still
got the rest of the West and the East Finals.
We still got hopefully a seven game NBA Finals. But
the performance last night by Indiana, I'd love to get
(02:05):
your take. I know you watched. You watched the game.
I watched the game. I kind of played a little
I gotta be honest with you. I played a little
trick on my son last night, Hugh. Okay, So I'm
watching the end of this game, right, the final final
three minutes. My son's outside shooting hoops. Right, he's he's
doing his one on zero and you know, just just
you know, he's he's getting a sweat up, he's he's
doing some work outside, and I'm watching it's you know,
(02:27):
it's it looks like it's gonna be an easy win.
So I just I just watched the end of the
game and I and I take it all the way
to the to the end of regulation, and I was like,
all right, he's got to come in and see this.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
But I'm not going to tell.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Him that it's already happened, right, I'm gonna pretend like
I haven't seen it. I rewounded to the three minute
mark in the game. Hey, hey, Bud, come in here
and watch watch the end of this game with me,
you know, just come on in and watch the end
of this game with me. And he sits down and
and I'm just gonna you know, I was like.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
What do you think they done?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
What do you think He's like, nah, there's still some
time left. They're not quite done. And there was about
a minute I thought that you were watching live with
he thought I was watching live with him. And then
we got to about the New York kept answering it
wasn't just like Indiana was on this fourteen nothing run.
New York kept scoring, and I think once we got
to that point that I just mentioned where New York scored,
I think it was Anonobi and he scores to make
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it a nine point game.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Of fifty two seconds left.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Dixon just looks at me and goes, wow, they're cooked now,
and he kind of looks like he's gonna get up
and leave kind of, you know. And I was like, well,
just just watch the end with me and just just
see what happens. And he stayed there and we had
an unbelievable really half hour of basketball after that because
the reviews and the overtime and the Halliburton shot and
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the choke, it was just it was just phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
That's a game I'm never gonna forget.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, well, it was a remarkable piece of shooting by
Aaron Nismith.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, n Smith.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah. And if I had a little bit of Latino
flair in my pronunciation, what do you know, i'd pronoun
at Naysmith R.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah, there you go, James Natesmith. Right.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I don't think James Nate Smith I ever saw somebody
hitting six for six from three from twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Feet as if he had I don't know, some kind
of royal blood in his line. Man, I mean, a
dude named Naysmith, I'm gonna just pronounce it six three pointers.
He's the first guy to have six three pointers in
the fourth quarter of a playoff game, and he did
them all in the final five minutes. He had think
of that, everybody else had never done it in twelve minutes.
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He did it in five minutes. And and the lift
that he had, and I don't know that that was
a hell of a piece of sniper exhibition on there.
And you know, without the three, obviously you don't get
back in. But but I think that, so that would
be one takeaway I had. The other one was, look,
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I know Jalen Brunson is a star and and and
what was his line like night?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, I think it's forty three, I believe.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
But he also had a career high seven turnovers, and
that's what really cost him down the street.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
You know, there was a certain James hardenness to the
end of that game, pounding the ball, and I'm and
I've had times in the past where I'm watching James
Harden and I'm like, you're either a star on an
average team or when you try and be a star
on a great team and just think you can go,
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you have the one on goods to go one on
one in playoff basketball, against a really good team, You're
just not that good, right And and I know.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Bro Brunson is putting up a lot of points.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
What happened.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
He's an exciting player, but he there was a absolutely
a James Harden playoff esque quality to what I saw
from Brunson down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I don't think there's any question about that.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I thought, you know, while he while he won the
game for New York when it looked like they were
going to win the game, he the game for New
York when they ended up not winning the game. The
career I seven turnovers, and really New York was sloppy
with the ball down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
And then the decision to foul.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You know, we've debated the decision to foul up three
for decades, right, you know, I think it really started
here in Seattle with Lorenzo Romar not fouling.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I think you foul, you.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Foul up three, But I don't think you foul up
three with twelve seconds left to go in the game.
And that that's where I think that they messed up.
Was they fouled they they lengthened New York, lengthened the
game for Indiana by sending Indiana to the free throw
line with twelve seconds left.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
To go, where they're just like, well, there's tons of
time left.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I'm just gonna make these two. And I agree with
with stan Van Gundy. I think Steve Lapis tweeted out
last night as well. He said, he goes, if you've
fouled up three and the other team wants to go
to the free throw line and make both free throws,
you fouled too soon, And that's exactly what they did
and then ended up costing him.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, I think it's generally in the six to seven
range second or less range. But but you know, but
just following up on the finishing on the point that
I I made about the Knicks offense, there's just they're
standing around. For those who don't like the NBA, that
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exhibition of just four guys standing there watching brunts and yeah,
you know, just you know, break hardwood planks.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
With his dribble.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
And then not have the goods like if you if
you're going to be at this level of the Eastern
Conference Finals and you're just gonna say we're gonna have
four guys go stand like a traffic cone and let
another guy go one on one, that guy that you
gave the ball to better be a hell of a creator.
He better be an elite three level scorer, and and
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and and he said, well he had forty three points. Mellon,
I yeah, but in the funt if you're asking me, obviously, defense,
whether it's defense or just incredible shooting by Naysmith the Pacers,
how many points did they have in the final five minutes.
That's an obsane amount. I mean they had thirty eight
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in the fourth quarter and more than half of those
were in the last five minutes. Yeah, and so so
you can talk about that into the court, but to
have that kind of a collapse, it has to be
on both ends, right and and and I would say
that that that Brunson was absolutely the you know, the
goat of the game. And I'm using gold in an old,
(08:36):
old fashioned or not you know, not you know, the
the way it's used commonly now to describe the greatest players.
The old term was you know, okay, you for you
you cost your team the game. And I had that
feeling about.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Him, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I think the secondary point of bringing this up is
what I brought up with with Ian, and that is,
you know, there's there's always a part of me when
I bring up the NBA on the air, there's always
there's always that little voice in the back of my
head that knows that there's a certain percentage of people
listening right now that are just still so bitter and
(09:13):
so angry towards this league that they don't even want
to hear me bring up the letters NBA. And what
I don't know, though, is how big that vocal minority is.
I know one thing, I know they're extremely vocal, because
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we read the texts on textimonials, we see the tweets,
we hear the talkbacks. They are extremely vocal. But what
I don't know is how big that minority actually is.
Because if I were just to be an unbiased person
walking into a situation, and I'm like, should I pay
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attention to the NBA playoffs or should I not pay
attention to the NBA playoffs? And on one side is
all the national medium. My god, I'm watching First Take today,
I'm watching Colin Coward today, and they're all just like, oh,
my god, so it's one of the great sporting events
of the decade. I mean, they're just absolutely Colin Coward
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went so far as to say that if you didn't
watch the game last night, I feel sorry for you.
That's what he said on his national show today. And
I'm seeing my son, who doesn't have bitterness towards the
NBA because he wasn't born when the NBA.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Was taken away from Seattle.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
He's multiple times jumped out of his chair last night
watching this game.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
So should I listen.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
To that group of people or should I listen to
a group of people who has been, you know, who's
been bitter for eighteen years based upon something that they'd
like to pin on a league when we can really
debate how guilty and how culpable the league actually was
(11:02):
in taking the Sonics away from Oklahoma City. Should I
listen to a bitter small minority of people or should
I listen to the masses that truly understand how how
fun that was last night? And what I talked to
Jackson about last week was the thing that I don't
understand is and he explained it to me.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
He's like, it's a psychological thing.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
They're saying it's a bad product to protect their own
psyche from saying, well, I'm not missing anything because I'm
missing a bad product.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Did I put that? I just tracking here because I
think we need to break this up.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
So yeah, So I think there's a lot of degrees here,
and I think that you have what you cre A
saying is a portion of sports fans who hate the
NBA because the NBA left here and there's still a bitterness.
There's also a portion of sports fans here who hate
the NBA because the NBA is no longer. I think
the product that they want to see lots more three pointers.
(11:58):
It's a different style game than it was twenty years ago.
I think it's undeniable, right, or maybe they just like
the college basketball style compared to the NBA. There's reasons
for stylistic there's reasons for bitterness. I think there's people
who are on your son's side who still love the
NBA regardless of what happened. There's people who love the
NBA just because of the product. There's lots of different degrees.
The truth is somewhere in the middle. I think that
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that's a fact that the truth is somewhere in between.
So I think, Dick, when you talk about which you know, fan,
but what am I going to let in? What am
I going to respond to you kind of got to
do the whole thing. You kind of got to be
able to take a second and say, boy, that was
And it was like for me, I'm not an NBA fan.
I'm not an NBA fan, not because I'm not bitter
because I don't like the product. I like the college
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basketball product. That isn't about Mimi me III. It isn't
about three pointers jacking it up. It's about intricate I
think team ball more than it is in the NBA.
So I don't like the NBA for that reason right now.
But at the same time, I think you can speak
to that and say, you know what, I understand the
product and you look at here, look at X. I
understand the bitterness. But man, that was a good game.
(13:03):
Here's why I think it was a good game. It's
about respecting and bringing in all those different groups because again,
you can say vocal minority, but I think every group
is vocal. Clearly, Colin Coward and your son are vocal
in their own ways. So you just gotta, you know,
welcome all colors of the rainbow. Because there's so many
different groups who either hate or love the NBA for
different reasons.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
So we don't have to do that for the other sports.
That's my whole thing.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
We don't have to do that for There's there are
people that don't like football, these people that don't like baseball,
But we don't feel like we have to apologize for
talking about baseball just because there's people out there that
think baseball is boring and they don't.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
Want It's a good point because I think that there
is certainly an element where I mean, for me, soccer,
I deal with that all day every day. You have
people who love the sport and you have people who
absolutely hate the sport and can't stand at high hue.
But I think ultimately, ultimately what you have is a
sport in the NBA that is so vastly different from
where it was, and baseball gets that too. There's baseball haters,
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there's baseball lovers. I think that we're just looking at
the NBA through the lens of your eyes because that
is your favorite sport.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
No basketball is your favorite sport.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Football pretty much universally loved, so it doesn't come up
with football and basketball for your view, is the thing
we're looking.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
At right now. I think if Softy was in that chair.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
There could be similar conversations with baseball, over the you know,
extra innings, runner at second base, rule, over lots of
interesting things you know at the lower level, minor league umpires,
being cameras.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
So it's an interesting element where I.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Think, specifically because we're talking about basketball, there is such
a wide variety because we are here in Seattle where
the NBA, you know, partially the NBA, partially a lot
of different people screwed us. So there's bitterness that creates
an additional color of this rainbow. And you just got
to be able to welcome in and speak to.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
All of it.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Hugh, I want you to I want you to respond here,
but I don't want you to respond for like sixty seconds.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I want to give you some time.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
So we're gonna take point to take a quick time out.
I want to give Hughes to use some time to
respond to this, or we're gonna take a quick time out.
Here's what we got on the show today, We got
fun with audio. Coming up three forty five, we will
talk baseball the first place Seattle Mariners getting set to
take on their arrivals in a four game series, the
Houston Astros.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Bill Krueger will join us at four.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
O'clock today, and I think we need to play a
little I promised, what kind of sort of promise you
make the call yesterday? We're gonna do it today, But
we're gonna do it today. We didn't get to it yesterday.
We were embroiled in some I don't know if it
was push push or whatever it was that they were
embroiled in that discussion. So well, we'll get Hughes thoughts
on this coming up next on ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
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Speaker 8 (15:39):
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Speaker 2 (15:47):
New Kevin Harlan on a call no one more appropriate
to be doing color commentary for that game than Reggie
Miller as Tyrese Halliburton gives the choke sign and points
(16:11):
to Reggie an homage of Reggie's choke sign throughout in
New York thirty years ago.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
We're gonna hear comments about that premature choke gesture coming
up in fun.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
With audio audio that is great. Just an epic game
last night, Hugh. I one day we're gonna get to
the point in this radio station where we have a
team back, and I feel like I'll be able, like
I'll feel whole again as a sports broadcaster. Because when
I was brought in to this radio station now twenty
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eight years ago, before I ever did a one show,
before I think I even ever did an update, I
was put on a Sonics beat, and I was at
Sonics practice every single day, talking to Paul Westfall, talking
to all the players. I was the later on, I
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was the pre half and postgame show host of Sonics
Network Radio. And so when the Sonics left, I mean,
not only did I lose my basketball team, I lost
a piece of my profession. I lost part of a paycheck.
I lost a lot more than just losing a basketball team.
So if there's anybody that should be bitter, there's anybody
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that should be like screw at MBA, I would think
it should be me. But I've always told myself, why
would I let myself? Why would I deprive myself of
something that I really really enjoy simply out of bitterness.
So I've chosen over the last eighteen years to simply
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not deprive myself of something I enjoy watching. So you,
i'd love your take on everything that you've heard, and
in addition, if you feel like there's any hypocrisy at
all amongst the portion. Jackson accurately pointed that there's different
portions of the fan base, and I'm just talking about
the one portion. I'm just talking about the portion that
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is that is vocal about how they don't like the NBA.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
And it's rooted in there.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
It's rooted in their bitterness, and they say it's a
bad product that's rooted in their bitterness, and yet desperate
to bring the NBA back to Seattle. Do you see
there's any any hypocrisy in that taste.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I'm not sure that I would use the term hypocrisy,
but I understand what you're saying. In response to some
of the things that were brought up in the prior segment,
I would say, first of all, it's absolutely fair and
appropriate for you to try and discern what topics to
talk about. I mean, you're paid to talk about sports,
(18:59):
and so the content and what you choose to discuss
that's an important decision, right because there may be uh
sports that you're interested in that you're gonna lose viewership.
And at some point this is a money making enterprise.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
So if you let's say you love squashed, Let's let's
say you were a junior squash champion, or swimming, you
were a swim swim champion, right, I spend an hour
talking swimming swimming. Right, So, so you have to be
a tenant to what people want. Okay, in this market,
you've got professional football. That's the godzilla. That's like, Okay,
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that's that's always spinning the hits, uh for our top
forty station, right, Like, you can't go wrong talking the Mariners.
We've got a b We've got a Major League Baseball team,
we've got a hockey team. I'm sure every host makes decisions,
well in hockey, how how how much do we want
to talk hockey? Because hockey doesn't have the popularity of Seahawks.
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So what's the balance? And every host is gonna determine that.
Now as we get to the the one professional major
that that Seattle doesn't have, it's I there's a lot
of different types of listeners with their response about the
NBA because because of the nature of how the Sonics
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got ripped apart. For some people, that really touches a
nerve that that has people very very emotional about the NBA.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
For some.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
It's a case of well I don't I don't like
the product as much now, But that that could be
a lot like well, my girlfriend broke up with me. Well,
you know what, she didn't look all that great any
you got it, She didn't. She wasn't a great cook.
But then now she wants to come back with you.
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And then now was a sudden.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Psychologically psychological questions as we talked about this last week.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Psychological that's the perfect analogy.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Job on that hard boiled egg, like like you know,
you know, so I think that there's that psychology in
play and so so for But for the people you
talked about the vocal minority, I think for the people
that are in that that stung and you know, angry camp,
they're more likely to have a visceral reaction, right.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
And regardless of what the topic is.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Right, Well, look the Sonics you know, in nineteen seventy nine,
I mean I mean I that was every my life
stopped back then, you know, when I was in high school,
every playoff game, every second of every playoff game, the
world stops. I watch everything. And and in fact, the
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Sonics set the NBA record for largest attendance over a
season in the history of the NBA. Like, we have
a kingdom proud. Yeah, we have a proud fan base.
And so you're just going to run into that.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
We don't.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
You know, the one league we don't have is the NBA,
and it's on very difficult circumstances for many And look,
and everybody fans how they want, and and a Myers
Briggs personality assessment, we got a lot of different type
of personalities. Some people, by their nature, are more likely
to be just like hey, uh you know, uh, don't worry,
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be happy. I'll just let it slide. Some people are
more you know, softy for one, you know, it's going
to get at them and eat at them, and and
it's you know, it's it's it's just a personality part.
So I think there's a lot of dynamics in play.
But I think you're you're right, it's fair to say, hey,
how much Sonics, how much NBA Playoffs did we talk?
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And because we don't have an NBA team, right, that's
like like if the Mariners don't make the world Serie
or well, and this would be the ALCS because we're
at that stage. But in relative that's still a topic
that as a talk show host you can you can
talk about, you know, I mean not not add infinitum,
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but you can talk about the American League Championship Series playoffs.
That there was an epic game last night in the ALCS. Well,
I guess they call this in the NLCS because it's
the opposite car, right opposite, yes, right, right, so there
in the east and yeah, yeah, yeah, so so in
the n l CS it had.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Six run, six run comeback in the ninth inning, the
four sextra innings, and yes, exactly right, right.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
You're on safer ground because the Mariners are are an
active team, That's right. And so I guess my question
is how unsafe is the ground I'm on if you
want to use those you know, if I were years.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Later, I mean I can see if it's two thousand
and nine, but it's twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
I mean the damage, the damage has been long done.
I mean that this this hurt cuts deep. I mean,
we it is is as close to losing a love
as you can possibly get it is losing a love. Frankly, so,
I think in terms of how thin is the ice,
I think we can talk about the NBA for a
segment and you know understand, like that was a pretty
cool game last night, and we don't need to spend
(24:15):
a lot of time on it. I mean, we're right
now spending so much time talking about the NBA.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Well, but it's it's more, this is big picture. I'm
not just talking about one game. That's true, It's true.
I think.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
I think that's the thing I think. I think spending
a little bit of time on a huge sporting event
in basketball is okay. Extended time is where as I
think that ice cracked, Well, we wouldn't even do that.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
We wouldn't even do that in the NFL, right, I
mean we we would spend a segment on a NFL
playoff game, right. But but I'm but this is a
bigger This is a bigger issue than one playoff.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
I think that. And there's another voice that I think
is prominent. My sense is that it's very prominent. It
would be this. It's imagine you got to outside to
turn off your circuit breaker, you know, or in the
garage you turn off and you gotta find Okay, I'm
gonna I'm gonna replace the light into my bathroom. You
gotta find the bathroom, right you go down. There are
a lot of fans who've gone. They've opened up the
(25:08):
circuit breaker and they've looked at the label that says NBA,
and they've just shut that thing off. You just shut
the power off. And they say, you know what, when
we get the Sonics back, I'll go out to the
garage and I'll turn the circuit breaker back on, and
then all the.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Power will the juice will be back for me on
the on my NBA panel.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
But for now, indefinitely, I'm just turning that breaker off.
And uh and and I think that's a very prominent
voice in town. And so it's not it's not meaning.
What I'm trying to say is it's relative indifference. It's
not active vitriol against the NBA. It's it's it's kind
of an evolved and sense of of indifference that I'm
(25:52):
just I'm just not gonna allow. Maybe some of it
is I don't want to get too involved, it's too painful,
or or what have you. You know, there's obviously siblings
to that type of a of a mindset. But I
think that that's in play. And when the NBA comes
a lot of these different mindsets that we're talking about
that are closely related, I think a lot of those
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they will then shed that that mindset. They will adopt
a new mindset. Now that we have the.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Sonics backs a plane in the winter, that will happen.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I think it's as fascinating a psychological discussion as there
is in Seattle sports. I really really do. And I'd
love to get your take. At four nine, four to
five one, we'll read some of your texts on on textimonials.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Where are you on that? On that whole continuum?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Two oh six or excuse me, four nine, four to
five one, the texting line three thirty nine. On ninety
three point three kJ RFM, Fun with Audio coming up
next to then Bill Krueger talking about the Hot Mariners
next on ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
It's now time for Someday and Dick's fun with Audio.
Jimmy g pawn Star, Jimmy mister Garoppolo. Now let's have
some fun with audio, all right, Let's have some phone
with audio.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Bill Kruger's going to join us fifteen minutes from now
to talk a little Major League baseball.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
But first, hey, Hugh, did you hear that? What's that?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Dick paces star Tyrese Halliburton? You heard the highlight played
by Jackson in the last segment? Do you hit the
game tying two point or his time expired in regulation
last night against the Knicks?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
But Tyreez thought it was a three.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
He did a choke gesture to celebrate what he thought
was the game winner in homage to Reggie Miller, who
was sitting mid court, and Halliburton talked about the premature
celebration in the moment.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
I mean, I wasn't like plotting out in the or anything.
I just everybody wanted me to do it, like last
year at some different point. But it's just just gotta
feel right. And it felt right the time. If it
would have been if if I would have known it
was a two, I would not have done it. So
I think I might have wasted it. If I do
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it again, then I might be people I say I'm
like or farming, so I'm not. I don't plan on
using it.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Again, Hugh, I thought it was perfect. Now it didn't
turn out to be the game winner. But honestly, I think,
you know how we we have revisionist history about a
lot of big sporting events, and I think the revisionist
history ten years from now will remember that as actually
a game winning three and not a two. I think
a lot of people will forget that even went to
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overtime because Indiana won the game.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Well, I think that, uh yeah, that's true. And I
think as it pertains to Halliburton, I think in a
lot of these deals, first of all, that's a unique
gesture that otherwise would be deemed pretty unsportsmanline, right, And
I mean you're basically saying, hey, you choked. You know,
we know Reggie Miller executed. So that was a I
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don't know if that was a homage or what it was.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, he pointed at him, I mean he did her
at Regiller.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
And and his his the the the audio there revealed
that he had that was premeditated at some point he
didn't know and he was gonna pull it out, right,
But so so so, I think this just goes under
the heading you know who you are and what you
are and how you conduct yourself in other respects. It
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is the lens through which you see some of these actions.
And this guy has been a classy guy. He's so spoken.
I thought he handled the situation with his dad, you know,
with a with a lot of dignity and class and
and so so I find him to be immensely likable.
So for me, another guy, you know, if I thought
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it was just a jackwagon punk that pulled that, it
might be more off putting to me. But I think
somehow he managed to do this in a way that
it all seemed kind of playful with Reggie Miller in
the moment, you know, it just didn't seem to to really.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Hit me the wrong way. I don't know, I kind
of just kind of chuckled. I think everybody loved it.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
That wasn't an I think that's probably the way to
put it. An expert segue on your part. You didn't
even know you had a segue, But Hugh, did you
hear that?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
What's that?
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Dick?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Tyrese Halliburton's father got into a heated confrontation with Giannis
on a on a kakou Onto Takompo while celebrating his
son's game winning layup back in Game five of their
first round playoffs series. John Halliburton has been banned from
games since the incident, but last night on the NBA
on TNT, Charles Barkley asked this favor of Adam Silver.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
It's time to let mister Halliburton back in the bills.
It is, Adam. I'm asking you, Hey, my man paid
his dues. He did something really, really stupid, but he's
been punished, and I'm asking you in the Indiana Pacers
to let mister Halliburton back in the building for game
three and four. I mean he listen, he paid his dues.
It shouldn't be indefinite. He's been punished enough. He would
never do anything that's stupid again. So, Adam, you know
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how much I love you.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
So you're saying the game's in Indianapolis.
Speaker 9 (30:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, Oh, because the day something. He won't
come up to New York. You know, no, you don't
want to in this building. Let's come back. He caught
new Young doing that crazy stuff. He won't make it
back to DY.
Speaker 10 (31:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I didn't realize you that he was still suspended. Yeah,
that seems I mean that seems excessive too. I mean
he he got into a chest unchessed with with Jannis.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It was dumb. There's no question about it.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
You throw him out for a few games, but you
know it's been it's been weeks now and he's missed
a lot of playoff games.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I agree with Charles Barkley. He nailed it, says it's
not going to be indefinite. You know that there's a
time where you got to release. Uh, you know, I
think that I'm going to make the assumption that Halberton's
father has made an apt to apology and uh if
so and and kind of pledged.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Hey, hey, that was a one and done. I know
I was wrong.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Please don't let me deprive me of my opportunity in
my life to watch my son play playoff basketball. This
is you know that I agree with Barkley, provided if
the assumption that I'm making are true, then I'm on
barkley side on that.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Hey, huge, you hear that? What's that? Dick?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Some sad news in the sports world coach Colts owner
Jim Ersay passing away yesterday at the age of sixty five. Today,
on Mike Florio's Pro Football Talk show, former coach Tony
Dungee joined and shared his best Ersay story.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Give us your best Jim Ersay story.
Speaker 10 (32:33):
The best one I could tell you is it's a
personal one, and he did a lot for people. But
I got there in two thousand and two. My dad
was getting up in age, and my dad would come
to all the home games, and mister Arsay saw him
at a couple of away games, so he said, does
your dad go to every game? And I said, well,
he tries to go to the ones that are close
that he can get to. So if he wants to
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go to every game next year, tell him to just
come to Indianapolis and fly with us to two thousand
and three, he flew my dad on the team plane
to every single away game, and my dad passed away
at the end of the year, and my greatest memory
was sitting with him and being with him at away games,
just because Jim Mersay that that's who he was.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Well, Hugh jim Mersay the word that I have heard
in the last twenty four hours more than any other
word that described Jim Mercery. Actually, there's been two that
I've heard multiple multiple times. One is unique, the other
one is generous. I've heard a lot of people talk
about how generous he was with his wealth and in
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a lot of different areas.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
His dad's wealth. Yeah, yes, his dad's Yes. Look, you
tell me the rules.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
If you tell me the rules is don't say anything
untoward about a guy who just died.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I can.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
I can live with those rules. But if you do
a little digging on Jim Mersey's life. Now, I've never
had a personal run in on him. My problem is
I just know too much. And uh, there's a there's
a lot of of good in the worst of us,
and there's a lot of bad in the best of us. Right,
So I understand that point, but Jimmer's Look, I'm gonna
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just I'm gonna rest hold my tongue on that because
the man just passed. But Jim Rsay is no saint, okay,
in terms of how he conducted his personal life, how
he conducted his business life, and and what have you.
And I probably already said too much. But yeah, look, look,
I I don't dispute that that. You know, Look, he's
(34:34):
lucky sprim club. You know, it'd be nice to be
born into a situation where your dad, uh you know,
had an NFL team, You never had to work a
day in your life, and you get gifted in NFL team.
That'd be pretty cool. I can imagine that I got
some people I'd want to take care of two with
my daddy's money.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
On that note, Bill Krueger is gonna join us.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Let's switch our focus to the world of Major League
Baseball on the Mariners in front of a very important
four game series with Houston. As I Horton as a
MAZ series gets. I think a series in Houston for
four games would fit that bill. Next on ninety three
point three kJ RFN
Boy Boy Hugh.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Last night was one of those games that I just
wish that we had some sort of piping into Kevin
Collaboro because there were chickens flying all over that barnyard
last night. There were magic carpet rides going on last
night at Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Just an unbelievable game.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I mean, one of those really, one of those games
that happens maybe once a decade in this league, and
they were bringing up memories of one that happened thirty
years ago in the same venue between the two teams
with Reggie Miller and the Choke signed to Spike Lee.
I mean, it was that type of atmosphere. Just to
throw some numbers out for those that haven't seen the
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type of comeback that the Pacers had last night against
the Knicks. Teams up fourteen or more in the playoffs
in the final two fifty before last night, all time
in the play by player, as far far back as
they can actually tell, who was ahead by fourteen or more.
Nine hundred and seventy seven and zero was the record
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of teams fourteen points or more up in the final
two fifty. Teams up nine or more in the final
minute of the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Or overtime of a playoff game.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
One thousand, four hundred and fourteen and zero oh was
the record. The Pacers now have won games in this
playoffs four times when they trailed by fourteen or more
at some point, including down seven with thirty four seconds left,
down seven with forty six seconds left, and last night
(01:43):
down nine with fifty two seconds left. In that it
has just been an unbelievable three weeks of basketball in
this playoffs. We're only basically halfway through them. We still
got the rest of the West and the East Finals.
We still got hopefully a seven game NBA Finals. But
the performance last night by Indiana, I'd love to get
(02:05):
your take. I know you watched. You watched the game.
I watched the game. I kind of played a little
I gotta be honest with you. I played a little
trick on my son last night, Hugh. Okay, So I'm
watching the end of this game, right, the final final
three minutes. My son's outside shooting hoops. Right, he's he's
doing his one on zero and you know, just just
you know, he's he's getting a sweat up, he's he's
doing some work outside, and I'm watching it's you know,
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it's it looks like it's gonna be an easy win.
So I just I just watched the end of the
game and I and I take it all the way
to the to the end of regulation, and I was like,
all right, he's got to come in and see this.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
But I'm not going to tell.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Him that it's already happened, right, I'm gonna pretend like
I haven't seen it. I rewounded to the three minute
mark in the game. Hey, hey, Bud, come in here
and watch watch the end of this game with me,
you know, just come on in and watch the end
of this game with me. And he sits down and
and I'm just gonna you know, I was like.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
What do you think they done?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
What do you think He's like, nah, there's still some
time left. They're not quite done. And there was about
a minute I thought that you were watching live with
he thought I was watching live with him. And then
we got to about the New York kept answering it
wasn't just like Indiana was on this fourteen nothing run.
New York kept scoring, and I think once we got
to that point that I just mentioned where New York scored,
I think it was Anonobi and he scores to make
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it a nine point game.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Of fifty two seconds left.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Dixon just looks at me and goes, wow, they're cooked now,
and he kind of looks like he's gonna get up
and leave kind of, you know. And I was like, well,
just just watch the end with me and just just
see what happens. And he stayed there and we had
an unbelievable really half hour of basketball after that because
the reviews and the overtime and the Halliburton shot and
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the choke, it was just it was just phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
That's a game I'm never gonna forget.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, well, it was a remarkable piece of shooting by
Aaron Nismith.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, n Smith.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah. And if I had a little bit of Latino
flair in my pronunciation, what do you know, i'd pronoun
at Naysmith R.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah, there you go, James Natesmith. Right.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I don't think James Nate Smith I ever saw somebody
hitting six for six from three from twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Feet as if he had I don't know, some kind
of royal blood in his line. Man, I mean, a
dude named Naysmith, I'm gonna just pronounce it six three pointers.
He's the first guy to have six three pointers in
the fourth quarter of a playoff game, and he did
them all in the final five minutes. He had think
of that, everybody else had never done it in twelve minutes.
(04:34):
He did it in five minutes. And and the lift
that he had, and I don't know that that was
a hell of a piece of sniper exhibition on there.
And you know, without the three, obviously you don't get
back in. But but I think that, so that would
be one takeaway I had. The other one was, look,
(04:55):
I know Jalen Brunson is a star and and and
what was his line like night?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, I think it's forty three, I believe.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
But he also had a career high seven turnovers, and
that's what really cost him down the street.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
You know, there was a certain James hardenness to the
end of that game, pounding the ball, and I'm and
I've had times in the past where I'm watching James
Harden and I'm like, you're either a star on an
average team or when you try and be a star
on a great team and just think you can go,
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you have the one on goods to go one on
one in playoff basketball, against a really good team, You're
just not that good, right And and I know.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Bro Brunson is putting up a lot of points.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
What happened.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
He's an exciting player, but he there was a absolutely
a James Harden playoff esque quality to what I saw
from Brunson down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I don't think there's any question about that.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I thought, you know, while he while he won the
game for New York when it looked like they were
going to win the game, he the game for New
York when they ended up not winning the game. The
career I seven turnovers, and really New York was sloppy
with the ball down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
And then the decision to foul.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You know, we've debated the decision to foul up three
for decades, right, you know, I think it really started
here in Seattle with Lorenzo Romar not fouling.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I think you foul, you.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Foul up three, But I don't think you foul up
three with twelve seconds left to go in the game.
And that that's where I think that they messed up.
Was they fouled they they lengthened New York, lengthened the
game for Indiana by sending Indiana to the free throw
line with twelve seconds left.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
To go, where they're just like, well, there's tons of
time left.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I'm just gonna make these two. And I agree with
with stan Van Gundy. I think Steve Lapis tweeted out
last night as well. He said, he goes, if you've
fouled up three and the other team wants to go
to the free throw line and make both free throws,
you fouled too soon, And that's exactly what they did
and then ended up costing him.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, I think it's generally in the six to seven
range second or less range. But but you know, but
just following up on the finishing on the point that
I I made about the Knicks offense, there's just they're
standing around. For those who don't like the NBA, that
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exhibition of just four guys standing there watching brunts and yeah,
you know, just you know, break hardwood planks.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
With his dribble.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
And then not have the goods like if you if
you're going to be at this level of the Eastern
Conference Finals and you're just gonna say we're gonna have
four guys go stand like a traffic cone and let
another guy go one on one, that guy that you
gave the ball to better be a hell of a creator.
He better be an elite three level scorer, and and
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and and he said, well he had forty three points. Mellon,
I yeah, but in the funt if you're asking me, obviously, defense,
whether it's defense or just incredible shooting by Naysmith the Pacers,
how many points did they have in the final five minutes.
That's an obsane amount. I mean they had thirty eight
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in the fourth quarter and more than half of those
were in the last five minutes. Yeah, and so so
you can talk about that into the court, but to
have that kind of a collapse, it has to be
on both ends, right and and and I would say
that that that Brunson was absolutely the you know, the
goat of the game. And I'm using gold in an old,
(08:36):
old fashioned or not you know, not you know, the
the way it's used commonly now to describe the greatest players.
The old term was you know, okay, you for you
you cost your team the game. And I had that
feeling about.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Him, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I think the secondary point of bringing this up is
what I brought up with with Ian, and that is,
you know, there's there's always a part of me when
I bring up the NBA on the air, there's always
there's always that little voice in the back of my
head that knows that there's a certain percentage of people
listening right now that are just still so bitter and
(09:13):
so angry towards this league that they don't even want
to hear me bring up the letters NBA. And what
I don't know, though, is how big that vocal minority is.
I know one thing, I know they're extremely vocal, because
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we read the texts on textimonials, we see the tweets,
we hear the talkbacks. They are extremely vocal. But what
I don't know is how big that minority actually is.
Because if I were just to be an unbiased person
walking into a situation, and I'm like, should I pay
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attention to the NBA playoffs or should I not pay
attention to the NBA playoffs? And on one side is
all the national medium. My god, I'm watching First Take today,
I'm watching Colin Coward today, and they're all just like, oh,
my god, so it's one of the great sporting events
of the decade. I mean, they're just absolutely Colin Coward
(10:15):
went so far as to say that if you didn't
watch the game last night, I feel sorry for you.
That's what he said on his national show today. And
I'm seeing my son, who doesn't have bitterness towards the
NBA because he wasn't born when the NBA.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Was taken away from Seattle.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
He's multiple times jumped out of his chair last night
watching this game.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
So should I listen.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
To that group of people or should I listen to
a group of people who has been, you know, who's
been bitter for eighteen years based upon something that they'd
like to pin on a league when we can really
debate how guilty and how culpable the league actually was
(11:02):
in taking the Sonics away from Oklahoma City. Should I
listen to a bitter small minority of people or should
I listen to the masses that truly understand how how
fun that was last night? And what I talked to
Jackson about last week was the thing that I don't
understand is and he explained it to me.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
He's like, it's a psychological thing.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
They're saying it's a bad product to protect their own
psyche from saying, well, I'm not missing anything because I'm
missing a bad product.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Did I put that? I just tracking here because I
think we need to break this up.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
So yeah, So I think there's a lot of degrees here,
and I think that you have what you cre A
saying is a portion of sports fans who hate the
NBA because the NBA left here and there's still a bitterness.
There's also a portion of sports fans here who hate
the NBA because the NBA is no longer. I think
the product that they want to see lots more three pointers.
(11:58):
It's a different style game than it was twenty years ago.
I think it's undeniable, right, or maybe they just like
the college basketball style compared to the NBA. There's reasons
for stylistic there's reasons for bitterness. I think there's people
who are on your son's side who still love the
NBA regardless of what happened. There's people who love the
NBA just because of the product. There's lots of different degrees.
The truth is somewhere in the middle. I think that
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that's a fact that the truth is somewhere in between.
So I think, Dick, when you talk about which you know, fan,
but what am I going to let in? What am
I going to respond to you kind of got to
do the whole thing. You kind of got to be
able to take a second and say, boy, that was
And it was like for me, I'm not an NBA fan.
I'm not an NBA fan, not because I'm not bitter
because I don't like the product. I like the college
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basketball product. That isn't about Mimi me III. It isn't
about three pointers jacking it up. It's about intricate I
think team ball more than it is in the NBA.
So I don't like the NBA for that reason right now.
But at the same time, I think you can speak
to that and say, you know what, I understand the
product and you look at here, look at X. I
understand the bitterness. But man, that was a good game.
(13:03):
Here's why I think it was a good game. It's
about respecting and bringing in all those different groups because again,
you can say vocal minority, but I think every group
is vocal. Clearly, Colin Coward and your son are vocal
in their own ways. So you just gotta, you know,
welcome all colors of the rainbow. Because there's so many
different groups who either hate or love the NBA for
different reasons.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
So we don't have to do that for the other sports.
That's my whole thing.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
We don't have to do that for There's there are
people that don't like football, these people that don't like baseball,
But we don't feel like we have to apologize for
talking about baseball just because there's people out there that
think baseball is boring and they don't.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
Want It's a good point because I think that there
is certainly an element where I mean, for me, soccer,
I deal with that all day every day. You have
people who love the sport and you have people who
absolutely hate the sport and can't stand at high hue.
But I think ultimately, ultimately what you have is a
sport in the NBA that is so vastly different from
where it was, and baseball gets that too. There's baseball haters,
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there's baseball lovers. I think that we're just looking at
the NBA through the lens of your eyes because that
is your favorite sport.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
No basketball is your favorite sport.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Football pretty much universally loved, so it doesn't come up
with football and basketball for your view, is the thing
we're looking.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
At right now. I think if Softy was in that chair.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
There could be similar conversations with baseball, over the you know,
extra innings, runner at second base, rule, over lots of
interesting things you know at the lower level, minor league umpires,
being cameras.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
So it's an interesting element where I.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Think, specifically because we're talking about basketball, there is such
a wide variety because we are here in Seattle where
the NBA, you know, partially the NBA, partially a lot
of different people screwed us. So there's bitterness that creates
an additional color of this rainbow. And you just got
to be able to welcome in and speak to.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
All of it.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Hugh, I want you to I want you to respond here,
but I don't want you to respond for like sixty seconds.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I want to give you some time.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
So we're gonna take point to take a quick time out.
I want to give Hughes to use some time to
respond to this, or we're gonna take a quick time out.
Here's what we got on the show today, We got
fun with audio. Coming up three forty five, we will
talk baseball the first place Seattle Mariners getting set to
take on their arrivals in a four game series, the
Houston Astros.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Bill Krueger will join us at four.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
O'clock today, and I think we need to play a
little I promised, what kind of sort of promise you
make the call yesterday? We're gonna do it today, But
we're gonna do it today. We didn't get to it yesterday.
We were embroiled in some I don't know if it
was push push or whatever it was that they were
embroiled in that discussion. So well, we'll get Hughes thoughts
on this coming up next on ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
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Speaker 8 (15:39):
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Speaker 2 (15:47):
New Kevin Harlan on a call no one more appropriate
to be doing color commentary for that game than Reggie
Miller as Tyrese Halliburton gives the choke sign and points
(16:11):
to Reggie an homage of Reggie's choke sign throughout in
New York thirty years ago.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
We're gonna hear comments about that premature choke gesture coming
up in fun.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
With audio audio that is great. Just an epic game
last night, Hugh. I one day we're gonna get to
the point in this radio station where we have a
team back, and I feel like I'll be able, like
I'll feel whole again as a sports broadcaster. Because when
I was brought in to this radio station now twenty
(16:44):
eight years ago, before I ever did a one show,
before I think I even ever did an update, I
was put on a Sonics beat, and I was at
Sonics practice every single day, talking to Paul Westfall, talking
to all the players. I was the later on, I
(17:07):
was the pre half and postgame show host of Sonics
Network Radio. And so when the Sonics left, I mean,
not only did I lose my basketball team, I lost
a piece of my profession. I lost part of a paycheck.
I lost a lot more than just losing a basketball team.
So if there's anybody that should be bitter, there's anybody
(17:29):
that should be like screw at MBA, I would think
it should be me. But I've always told myself, why
would I let myself? Why would I deprive myself of
something that I really really enjoy simply out of bitterness.
So I've chosen over the last eighteen years to simply
(17:51):
not deprive myself of something I enjoy watching. So you,
i'd love your take on everything that you've heard, and
in addition, if you feel like there's any hypocrisy at
all amongst the portion. Jackson accurately pointed that there's different
portions of the fan base, and I'm just talking about
the one portion. I'm just talking about the portion that
(18:13):
is that is vocal about how they don't like the NBA.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
And it's rooted in there.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
It's rooted in their bitterness, and they say it's a
bad product that's rooted in their bitterness, and yet desperate
to bring the NBA back to Seattle. Do you see
there's any any hypocrisy in that taste.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I'm not sure that I would use the term hypocrisy,
but I understand what you're saying. In response to some
of the things that were brought up in the prior segment,
I would say, first of all, it's absolutely fair and
appropriate for you to try and discern what topics to
talk about. I mean, you're paid to talk about sports,
(18:59):
and so the content and what you choose to discuss
that's an important decision, right because there may be uh
sports that you're interested in that you're gonna lose viewership.
And at some point this is a money making enterprise.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
So if you let's say you love squashed, Let's let's
say you were a junior squash champion, or swimming, you
were a swim swim champion, right, I spend an hour
talking swimming swimming. Right, So, so you have to be
a tenant to what people want. Okay, in this market,
you've got professional football. That's the godzilla. That's like, Okay,
(19:35):
that's that's always spinning the hits, uh for our top
forty station, right, Like, you can't go wrong talking the Mariners.
We've got a b We've got a Major League Baseball team,
we've got a hockey team. I'm sure every host makes decisions,
well in hockey, how how how much do we want
to talk hockey? Because hockey doesn't have the popularity of Seahawks.
(19:57):
So what's the balance? And every host is gonna determine that.
Now as we get to the the one professional major
that that Seattle doesn't have, it's I there's a lot
of different types of listeners with their response about the
NBA because because of the nature of how the Sonics
(20:18):
got ripped apart. For some people, that really touches a
nerve that that has people very very emotional about the NBA.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
For some.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
It's a case of well I don't I don't like
the product as much now, But that that could be
a lot like well, my girlfriend broke up with me. Well,
you know what, she didn't look all that great any
you got it, She didn't. She wasn't a great cook.
But then now she wants to come back with you.
(20:50):
And then now was a sudden.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Psychologically psychological questions as we talked about this last week.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Psychological that's the perfect analogy.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Job on that hard boiled egg, like like you know,
you know, so I think that there's that psychology in
play and so so for But for the people you
talked about the vocal minority, I think for the people
that are in that that stung and you know, angry camp,
they're more likely to have a visceral reaction, right.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
And regardless of what the topic is.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Right, Well, look the Sonics you know, in nineteen seventy nine,
I mean I mean I that was every my life
stopped back then, you know, when I was in high school,
every playoff game, every second of every playoff game, the
world stops. I watch everything. And and in fact, the
(21:48):
Sonics set the NBA record for largest attendance over a
season in the history of the NBA. Like, we have
a kingdom proud. Yeah, we have a proud fan base.
And so you're just going to run into that.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
We don't.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
You know, the one league we don't have is the NBA,
and it's on very difficult circumstances for many And look,
and everybody fans how they want, and and a Myers
Briggs personality assessment, we got a lot of different type
of personalities. Some people, by their nature, are more likely
to be just like hey, uh you know, uh, don't worry,
(22:26):
be happy. I'll just let it slide. Some people are
more you know, softy for one, you know, it's going
to get at them and eat at them, and and
it's you know, it's it's it's just a personality part.
So I think there's a lot of dynamics in play.
But I think you're you're right, it's fair to say, hey,
how much Sonics, how much NBA Playoffs did we talk?
(22:46):
And because we don't have an NBA team, right, that's
like like if the Mariners don't make the world Serie
or well, and this would be the ALCS because we're
at that stage. But in relative that's still a topic
that as a talk show host you can you can
talk about, you know, I mean not not add infinitum,
(23:07):
but you can talk about the American League Championship Series playoffs.
That there was an epic game last night in the ALCS. Well,
I guess they call this in the NLCS because it's
the opposite car, right opposite, yes, right, right, so there
in the east and yeah, yeah, yeah, so so in
the n l CS it had.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Six run, six run comeback in the ninth inning, the
four sextra innings, and yes, exactly right, right.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
You're on safer ground because the Mariners are are an
active team, That's right. And so I guess my question
is how unsafe is the ground I'm on if you
want to use those you know, if I were years.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Later, I mean I can see if it's two thousand
and nine, but it's twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
I mean the damage, the damage has been long done.
I mean that this this hurt cuts deep. I mean,
we it is is as close to losing a love
as you can possibly get it is losing a love. Frankly, so,
I think in terms of how thin is the ice,
I think we can talk about the NBA for a
segment and you know understand, like that was a pretty
cool game last night, and we don't need to spend
(24:15):
a lot of time on it. I mean, we're right
now spending so much time talking about the NBA.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Well, but it's it's more, this is big picture. I'm
not just talking about one game. That's true, It's true.
I think.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
I think that's the thing I think. I think spending
a little bit of time on a huge sporting event
in basketball is okay. Extended time is where as I
think that ice cracked, Well, we wouldn't even do that.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
We wouldn't even do that in the NFL, right, I
mean we we would spend a segment on a NFL
playoff game, right. But but I'm but this is a
bigger This is a bigger issue than one playoff.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
I think that. And there's another voice that I think
is prominent. My sense is that it's very prominent. It
would be this. It's imagine you got to outside to
turn off your circuit breaker, you know, or in the
garage you turn off and you gotta find Okay, I'm
gonna I'm gonna replace the light into my bathroom. You
gotta find the bathroom, right you go down. There are
a lot of fans who've gone. They've opened up the
(25:08):
circuit breaker and they've looked at the label that says NBA,
and they've just shut that thing off. You just shut
the power off. And they say, you know what, when
we get the Sonics back, I'll go out to the
garage and I'll turn the circuit breaker back on, and
then all the.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Power will the juice will be back for me on
the on my NBA panel.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
But for now, indefinitely, I'm just turning that breaker off.
And uh and and I think that's a very prominent
voice in town. And so it's not it's not meaning.
What I'm trying to say is it's relative indifference. It's
not active vitriol against the NBA. It's it's it's kind
of an evolved and sense of of indifference that I'm
(25:52):
just I'm just not gonna allow. Maybe some of it
is I don't want to get too involved, it's too painful,
or or what have you. You know, there's obviously siblings
to that type of a of a mindset. But I
think that that's in play. And when the NBA comes
a lot of these different mindsets that we're talking about
that are closely related, I think a lot of those
(26:14):
they will then shed that that mindset. They will adopt
a new mindset. Now that we have the.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Sonics backs a plane in the winter, that will happen.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I think it's as fascinating a psychological discussion as there
is in Seattle sports. I really really do. And I'd
love to get your take. At four nine, four to
five one, we'll read some of your texts on on textimonials.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Where are you on that? On that whole continuum?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Two oh six or excuse me, four nine, four to
five one, the texting line three thirty nine. On ninety
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next on ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
It's now time for Someday and Dick's fun with Audio.
Jimmy g pawn Star, Jimmy mister Garoppolo. Now let's have
some fun with audio, all right, Let's have some phone
with audio.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Bill Kruger's going to join us fifteen minutes from now
to talk a little Major League baseball.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
But first, hey, Hugh, did you hear that? What's that?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Dick paces star Tyrese Halliburton? You heard the highlight played
by Jackson in the last segment? Do you hit the
game tying two point or his time expired in regulation
last night against the Knicks?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
But Tyreez thought it was a three.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
He did a choke gesture to celebrate what he thought
was the game winner in homage to Reggie Miller, who
was sitting mid court, and Halliburton talked about the premature
celebration in the moment.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
I mean, I wasn't like plotting out in the or anything.
I just everybody wanted me to do it, like last
year at some different point. But it's just just gotta
feel right. And it felt right the time. If it
would have been if if I would have known it
was a two, I would not have done it. So
I think I might have wasted it. If I do
(27:56):
it again, then I might be people I say I'm
like or farming, so I'm not. I don't plan on
using it.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Again, Hugh, I thought it was perfect. Now it didn't
turn out to be the game winner. But honestly, I think,
you know how we we have revisionist history about a
lot of big sporting events, and I think the revisionist
history ten years from now will remember that as actually
a game winning three and not a two. I think
a lot of people will forget that even went to
(28:22):
overtime because Indiana won the game.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Well, I think that, uh yeah, that's true. And I
think as it pertains to Halliburton, I think in a
lot of these deals, first of all, that's a unique
gesture that otherwise would be deemed pretty unsportsmanline, right, And
I mean you're basically saying, hey, you choked. You know,
we know Reggie Miller executed. So that was a I
(28:48):
don't know if that was a homage or what it was.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, he pointed at him, I mean he did her
at Regiller.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
And and his his the the the audio there revealed
that he had that was premeditated at some point he
didn't know and he was gonna pull it out, right,
But so so so, I think this just goes under
the heading you know who you are and what you
are and how you conduct yourself in other respects. It
(29:16):
is the lens through which you see some of these actions.
And this guy has been a classy guy. He's so spoken.
I thought he handled the situation with his dad, you know,
with a with a lot of dignity and class and
and so so I find him to be immensely likable.
So for me, another guy, you know, if I thought
(29:39):
it was just a jackwagon punk that pulled that, it
might be more off putting to me. But I think
somehow he managed to do this in a way that
it all seemed kind of playful with Reggie Miller in
the moment, you know, it just didn't seem to to really.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Hit me the wrong way. I don't know, I kind
of just kind of chuckled. I think everybody loved it.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
That wasn't an I think that's probably the way to
put it. An expert segue on your part. You didn't
even know you had a segue, But Hugh, did you
hear that?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
What's that?
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Dick?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Tyrese Halliburton's father got into a heated confrontation with Giannis
on a on a kakou Onto Takompo while celebrating his
son's game winning layup back in Game five of their
first round playoffs series. John Halliburton has been banned from
games since the incident, but last night on the NBA
on TNT, Charles Barkley asked this favor of Adam Silver.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
It's time to let mister Halliburton back in the bills.
It is, Adam. I'm asking you, Hey, my man paid
his dues. He did something really, really stupid, but he's
been punished, and I'm asking you in the Indiana Pacers
to let mister Halliburton back in the building for game
three and four. I mean he listen, he paid his dues.
It shouldn't be indefinite. He's been punished enough. He would
never do anything that's stupid again. So, Adam, you know
(30:53):
how much I love you.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
So you're saying the game's in Indianapolis.
Speaker 9 (30:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, Oh, because the day something. He won't
come up to New York. You know, no, you don't
want to in this building. Let's come back. He caught
new Young doing that crazy stuff. He won't make it
back to DY.
Speaker 10 (31:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I didn't realize you that he was still suspended. Yeah,
that seems I mean that seems excessive too. I mean
he he got into a chest unchessed with with Jannis.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It was dumb. There's no question about it.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
You throw him out for a few games, but you
know it's been it's been weeks now and he's missed
a lot of playoff games.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I agree with Charles Barkley. He nailed it, says it's
not going to be indefinite. You know that there's a
time where you got to release. Uh, you know, I
think that I'm going to make the assumption that Halberton's
father has made an apt to apology and uh if
so and and kind of pledged.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Hey, hey, that was a one and done. I know
I was wrong.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Please don't let me deprive me of my opportunity in
my life to watch my son play playoff basketball. This
is you know that I agree with Barkley, provided if
the assumption that I'm making are true, then I'm on
barkley side on that.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Hey, huge, you hear that? What's that? Dick?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Some sad news in the sports world coach Colts owner
Jim Ersay passing away yesterday at the age of sixty five. Today,
on Mike Florio's Pro Football Talk show, former coach Tony
Dungee joined and shared his best Ersay story.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Give us your best Jim Ersay story.
Speaker 10 (32:33):
The best one I could tell you is it's a
personal one, and he did a lot for people. But
I got there in two thousand and two. My dad
was getting up in age, and my dad would come
to all the home games, and mister Arsay saw him
at a couple of away games, so he said, does
your dad go to every game? And I said, well,
he tries to go to the ones that are close
that he can get to. So if he wants to
(32:54):
go to every game next year, tell him to just
come to Indianapolis and fly with us to two thousand
and three, he flew my dad on the team plane
to every single away game, and my dad passed away
at the end of the year, and my greatest memory
was sitting with him and being with him at away games,
just because Jim Mersay that that's who he was.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Well, Hugh jim Mersay the word that I have heard
in the last twenty four hours more than any other
word that described Jim Mercery. Actually, there's been two that
I've heard multiple multiple times. One is unique, the other
one is generous. I've heard a lot of people talk
about how generous he was with his wealth and in
(33:37):
a lot of different areas.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
His dad's wealth. Yeah, yes, his dad's Yes. Look, you
tell me the rules.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
If you tell me the rules is don't say anything
untoward about a guy who just died.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I can.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
I can live with those rules. But if you do
a little digging on Jim Mersey's life. Now, I've never
had a personal run in on him. My problem is
I just know too much. And uh, there's a there's
a lot of of good in the worst of us,
and there's a lot of bad in the best of us. Right,
So I understand that point, but Jimmer's Look, I'm gonna
(34:14):
just I'm gonna rest hold my tongue on that because
the man just passed. But Jim Rsay is no saint, okay,
in terms of how he conducted his personal life, how
he conducted his business life, and and what have you.
And I probably already said too much. But yeah, look, look,
I I don't dispute that that. You know, Look, he's
(34:34):
lucky sprim club. You know, it'd be nice to be
born into a situation where your dad, uh you know,
had an NFL team, You never had to work a
day in your life, and you get gifted in NFL team.
That'd be pretty cool. I can imagine that I got
some people I'd want to take care of two with
my daddy's money.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
On that note, Bill Krueger is gonna join us.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Let's switch our focus to the world of Major League
Baseball on the Mariners in front of a very important
four game series with Houston. As I Horton as a
MAZ series gets. I think a series in Houston for
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