May 22, 2025 • 29 mins
In the second hour, Dick Fain and Hugh Millen chat with baseball expert Bill Krueger about the upcoming Mariners-Astros series, George Kirby’s return, and Bryan Woo’s dominance, then the guys discuss HBO’s Hard Knocks going to Buffalo later this year.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for our weekly conversation with Bill Krueger, brought
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in town. Now with Bill Krueger, here's Safti and Dick.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Ah Thursdays being Bill Krueger talking baseball and Bill, as
I mentioned, welcome, Welcome, and as I mentioned in the
last segment, going to Break. I mean, it's tough to
say there's any big series in May. But if you
were to, if you were to rank all the potential
series that you could get in May, a four game
series at Houston probably would be at the top of
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the list.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I think that's fair. You know, the Marritors were there
were just they were just like beat on them like
a drum for many years, and then the last couple
of years has held their own against the Astros, and
I see more of the same coming. They got him
there three and a half years behind the Mariners now,
and you know, you keep tripping great players away from
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the Astros and Eventually they have to they have to
show that they're not the same team and the marriage
are catching them without William McCovey Alvarez. So time is right,
and the Mariners had a good picture, a great picture
in my opinion. George Kirby, So the time is right.
The team is playing well with confidence, and I think
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the one thing that Houston has now is the confidence
of a champion. But they're not a championship team.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
So George Kirby goes tonight for the first time Bill
Woo challenges is he facing both physically and mentally? What's
what's as objective as he takes the hill tonight.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I'll find his release point, get a rhythm going, uh,
locate his fastball, and then work from there. This guy
is coing of for I mean, he's a magnificent sprite
thrower with a beautiful delivery. He's one of the real
special control guys. H I rank them right up there
with some of the best that have come down the
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pike in the last few decades. So, uh, I think
he's a brilliant pitcher. Now, hey, look he's been he's
been pitching simulated games and pitching in the minor leagues.
This is gonna be a whole quantum step up. But
this is the guy that sees himself is great, and
so far he has been great. He's gonna he's not
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gonna have any trepidation about facing these guys. They are
a very right hand hitting team and with Alba, without
Albarez and Tucker's gone, and know Albarez, it's gonna be
you know, Rity's are going to have to try to
hit him, and they're not going to have much success.
I think the only story of this game will be, uh,
how how far will we go? Because we're gonna you know,
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there's gonna kid glove him, and you know, and unfortunately,
in every aspect h starting pitch, he gets sold short.
They get sold short when they're healthy, they get should
sold short when they're supposed to be rehappy to come
to the big leagues and pitch, because as soon as
they get the four or five innings, they go to
the big leagues. You know, the common rule is if
you want to pitch five in the big leagues, you
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need to throw seven in Triple A. And I think
they always cut pitchers one game short because they're salivating
to get him to the big leagues, right, and then
they want to, you know, have a cadre of other
pitchers pitching the game that are of lesser quality. You know,
it's just it's more of the same, you know problem
that I have with the whole the whole way it's
it's put together. But I don't want to downplay the
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fact that this guy is back. He's a brilliant young
pitcher and I expect to see, you know, the George
Kirby of old. I think he's he's going to be healthy,
the ball's gonna leap out of his hand. He's going
to show you great control and great stuff, and I
expect him to do very well. The question is how
far will he get in the game.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Well, and then you've got Ryce Miller and Logan Gilbert,
who are just you know, a step or two behind
Kirbyan coming back. What is the typical length of time
between a simulated game and back to action? And then
how long are you usually on that pitch count where
they're just really kind.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Of babying you.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Well, each of these guys has got Bryce Miller is
pretty close to action to be where he is now.
So Bryce Miller, uh, you know, I always say they
should go and fetch in real competition, where the guy
that's uh, that's on the other side of this one
on one equation is trying to take food off your plate,
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because that's the only way you're gonna know at full
extension whether a guy is healthy or not. And if
he's got a bit of an elbow problem, the last
place you're going to have a problem is at the elbow.
If you can kind of understand that, you could throw
the ball at your shoulder and you can really use
your shoulder up to the point where you're you're really
accelerating at the last possible is of your of your release,
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and that's where the flexer bundle. If that's Bryce Miller's
probably know, that's where Logan Gilbert's problem is. They're gonna
really know at that point. They're not gonna Logan Gilbert
is not gonna know until that last point of full release.
I know that because I've had oh, i'd say probably
three different flexor injuries, So I understand the flexer problem
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pretty well. And you can feel good and it can
go right, but it's all gonna come down to where,
like I said, full extension and the guys trying to
together guys trying to take food off your off your table.
So so getting back to your question, Bryce Miller probably
gets one. Maybe rehab starting is ready to go. I'm
just wildly sort of guessing, whereas I think might want
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to pitch twice. But these guys, like I said, man,
it's that Pavlov's dogs. You know, you dangle the carrot
and they want to eat, so you know they're gonna
want to get these guys back. And oh, we got
it back for three innings and then they have to
throw all this pitching at it and then they're complaining
that they don't we don't have any pitcher. What are
we gonna do. It's like it's like poor Kasey Lawrence.
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He's on a plane again. He throws five inks. Granted
he's not over powering of one run baseball, and his
reward is he thanks a lot back to triple A
for you. I mean, makes sense. Why doesn't he hurt
a spot? If he pitched that good, he should stay
right because there's no time to not have a fresh arm.
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Because everybody's got their little spot in the week. And
my day is Tuesday, and then my day is Thursday.
And my my color pen is purple, and they write
me on the calendar. It's like, come on, play the game.
Let's put the resources into the game, Hugh, And let's
play the game. That's what.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Yeah, No, I get it, But one more on Kirby tonight.
So what whatever the nature of the Souldier injury had,
what would be are the Are there some pitches that
maybe in the back of your mind with that you say, Oh,
I don't know if I can give it my all?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Is it just a fastball, like I don't know if
I can just rev that thing up? Or is it
the the torque that comes with some of the breaking pitches?
Like if you had if you were on the mound
and you had had Kirby's injury, and I had to say,
pistol to your temple. You gotta tell me, like I'm
the trainer of the Mariners, you got to tell me
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the one pitch that you might be reluctant to know
whether or not you can really let it fly. What
would be that pitch?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I think with the shoulder, he knows, he knows, he's fine.
The shoulder is gonna it's gonna rear up as he
as he uh works his way along. If he's got
some weakness in there, it's going to start to he's
going to start to feel the weakness or the fatigue
in his shoulder. But it most notably won't come from
one pitch the other one With the elbow. When you're
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at full extension, that's the only way you're gonna know.
And so the elbow is gonna be and it's not
a certain pitch. It's going to be at full extension.
It's not Realdy throwing a slider or a fastball or
a split or a curve with these with these arm situations,
it's not throwing in particular pitch. It's pitching at full speed.
And I I you don't get to full speed you
until it really comes down to live action where they're
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really active, you're really going one on one with somebody
and you're really letting it rip. So I don't I
don't foresee him worried about any pitch. And my guess
is Kirby is completely I think he probably felt like,
why did you pull the plug on me? In spring training?
I have little inflammation. They could have just backed me
off a fuzz and got me back going again. But
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they really set him back and read made sure he's okay,
and really strengthened it and got all the inflammation out.
I see him as being totally mindfree about his arm.
Whatever you do, the other guy's got got some some
steps to get through for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Well let's talk about guy that's been the ace of
the staff thus far this season. He's five and one
with a two six five ERA, and he's the only
guy in baseball that's thrown six innings or more every
single time.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
He's taken the taking the mound nine times.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And what I've noticed about Brian Wouin and maybe I
just missed this last year in the year before, but
I'm just watching his last start Bill.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
And it just the ball just explodes.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
It reminds me of Freddy Couples, where it just looks
like he's swinging in slow mo and he's still hitting
a seven iron two hundred yards in his prime.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
It's just it's effortless what Brian Wu's doing.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah, you're right, And I think that's part of his deception,
is that he's so smooth that it's the ball just
gets on you. He's a very good athlete. Number One,
if you're watching field, a position. He's a former infielder.
He's a good athlete, and that has allowed him to
be very good at repeating his delivery. He has the
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uniqueness he does come from a low slot to kind
of upshoot people, and it's unique in that regard. It's
concerning he's had two TJ's, and you know why, because
he's putting a lot of pressure on his elbow the
way he throws elbow lead. I don't mean to cast
a shadow on him because I like him, but what's
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really impressive about him is that it's not just trickery.
It's not just he's easy on the eyes and the
ball explodes. It's not because he's got this unique ability
to kind of upshoot the ball in the area of
the high strike zone. It's the fact that he commands
the fastball. It pitches fearlessly inside the strike zone, which
is sort of counter to what they're teaching kids to
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pitch with. They're teaching everybody to pitch above the zone
and below the zone, above and below. Throw it hard,
high spin, throw it spin, make it go down, you know,
not teaching kids how to get people out. In this
he has to throw a lot of fastballs because his
other fishes are just okay, I'm going to get it
a little bit better. But he has to understand where
the fastball has to go, and he does it well.
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He spots the fastball and he wins inside the strike zone.
And he doesn't have to strike out everybody, because striking
out everybody doesn't allow you to win games. Striking out
everybody doesn't eliminate the bullpen like it should. You should.
If you're pitching good baseball and you're a good starter,
you should be able to get to the last two
guys in the pen. You shouldn't have to tack on
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four guys every game you picked. Well, that's what destroys
the pitching staff. And he's great. He's pitching in deeping
games because he's efficient. We don't talk enough about that.
We talk about swinging miss swinging miss, well, swing and
miss really counts win with two strikes, right, that's the
only time swinging this matters. I don't care what happens.
So we get I'll take the swing and miss then,
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But we want to talk about with percentage and we
want to talk about all this stuff. Right, It's just
it's kind of nonsensical. To me, because winning in the
side to strike zone is the key to being a
great starter. Seventh and eighth to ninth inning is where
strikeouts are more important, because more times than not, you're
coming into a game where the heat is on, the
game is on the line. Guys are on base hitter
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spring hitting hitting position where they're going to swing the bat,
and getting someone to strike out matters. But for the starter,
if I can get somebody to put the ball in
play to the second basement on the second pitch, I
don't care how hard he hits it, and I get
to put some pitches in my back pocket, I'm all
for that. Yeah, that's good pitching, that's good baseball.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Bill Krueger with us, and Bill, let's go to the
other side. And I'm curious your take on the infield.
Obviously JP's JP, But but if Bill Krueger's making the decisions,
what what is the best plan at first, second, and
third base for the immediate future.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Well, they've got a they've got a long shuited and
second baseman, right, they got Polanco who's not going to
play defense, I guess, And you've got Reevoffs, You've got
Dylan Moore and you got master Bony. They all play second,
and so you know you like it. I'm not. I'm
just I'm sort of laying the groundwork. I think Rolly
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Tiles is a good first basement. He's kind of twinkled
to post Flintstone the dancing pair, but he can really
play first. They got a benefit because really got hurt
in a sense role Boods got hurt, which was the
first benefit because that forced Raady off first base, which
made them take their dh Tella's telenes and put him
at first. And they had, oh my goodness, this guy
can really play first, and he can read. He play first.
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Do you notice they didn't pitch Hick for him the
other day because they wanted him. They could say they
wanted to keep him for the next ab against the
right hander, but they kept him because he's a better defender.
He's a big target. He catches the base ball, he
fields the baseball. He's got soft hands. So they've improved
markedly with him at first second base. Dylan Moore moves around.
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Dylan Moore was there all the time. He'd be really
good at second, but he's been kind of hit and
miss because he plays all over the place. And he's
not playing as much right now because he's not getting
any time because Williamson is playing third, and Williamson has
to play every day or he goes to Triple A.
And I like the player. He's a little not like
a great hitter, but he's hitting enough that his defense
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is so good that you love him. Right. He's a
nice looking young player. He puts the ball in play,
so and then getting to Reboss Reeboss is just the
undersold good player. He's a good player. You know, he
gets on base, he puts the ball in play, doesn't
strike out. He plays the best second base of all
of them. And Master Boney, you know, he's just gritty,
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he's he's the guy you won on your team. He's
nuts and ball snails for breakfast. You know, he can
play second, he can play third, he could play the outfield.
He had dial to Moore are a nice compliment of players.
So I don't know where I'm headed here, but for me,
Roddy Tills is at first as much as possible, and
and obviously Crawford is playing has having a great year
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and playing excellent short stop, and we already swinging the
bat and getting the ball in play, and getting on base.
Is it is so interesting that he finally gets back
to the leadoffs blot and he's a traditional leadoff hitter.
Baseball is all about, well, let's see, now, if we
hit you first or second, you get zero point two, five, seven, six,
four eight too more at bats per week. But you know,
it doesn't really matter. It matters when you hit, not
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how many times you hit. And having a guy that's
taking pitches and getting on base that's a leadoff hitter's
because of default. A lot of things have happened because
of default with this team. Injury has forced them to
take and put guys that put the ball in play
and have more patients into the game. Roadblays, no patience,
Ryan Bliss, a lot of strikeouts, yep, you know, and
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all of a sudden you added guys that could do
that or got better on defense. There's been things that
have happened that have been just because of the kind
of the what what should be bad fortune that turned
into good fortune. And of course Polanco is the secret uh,
he's the secret story behind the offense. I mean, you've
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been able to ignore the fact that Rodriguez is having
another uneven season that because Polonco has been beyond comprehension, right,
Just to follow up, Williams is going to play third,
Crawford's gonna play short, Rowdy's gonna play first, And for me,
I would say, let's see a little bit more of
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Reevos at second before he kind of loses his rhythm.
So I'd like to say, because every time he plays man,
he makes great plays up the middle, and he puts
the ball in play and he walks. I'm all for that.
I don't care where you rank him or how much
his slugging percentage is because I don't care.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Well, just follow up, you say, Williamson for those who say, hey,
he just doesn't have the power to warrant uh that
type of game. You know, day to day action at
third base, you love his defense. Your response is, will.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Well, you know they've got they've got enough power, so
you know, you know, third base is considered a corner
power position. But you know you've got to catch her
that could hit forty homers, so you're you're you're kind
of getting that at some place, and you got a
you got a centerfielder that's going to hit thirty. So
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you know the fact that third base doesn't hit, and
the corner left field is going to hit twenty five.
So they've got some homers out there. They don't They
don't need him to homer. They just need him to
stay above water, not sink. He putting the ball in play.
Don't try to get bigger than you are. Survive against
those tough ridings, and get the hit the guys that
you can hit, put the ball in play, to play
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the really good defense that you're playing. I mean, I
think I like the player. I mean, he's he's not
and he's got a good idea about the strike zone
and the more that he can just say to himself,
I'm going to get trapped into like I've got to
sweep the bad harder. I gotta hit the ball harder
and just stay inside the baseball and try to put
the ball and play with some authority and play defense.
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I like that to me. I need a combination of
players that have different attributes. I only need a couple
guys in the middle that really hit the ball of
the ballpark. But you look back at the Giants, Look
at the Giants when they won three straight World championships.
Once you get past gosh, the catch of the posts
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the intense. Can you name the rest of their lions?
They won three World championships? No, you need anybody. You
can name their pitches and what do they do they
want They played in a giant park like we do.
They could really pitch like we do, and they catch
the baseball and they run, they ran, uh you know, uh,
they would put the ball. They would put the game
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in motion and uh and you know, get a two
to one count. Guys would put the ball and play
on a tough pitch and they'd moved the guy to second,
get them more to third score and then just really pitch.
So you don't need everybody s plug in the baseball.
You just need a couple. And if you play defense
and catch and you have in this team, I think
the Marriags are great. They're gonna be the division. They're
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pitches coming back and when it does, and if they
they don't even have to be as good offensively as
they are now. They just need to be in the
middle of.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
The pack, right right, Bill, Great stuff, always a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Let's hope when we talk to you next week we
get maybe maybe three and one against Houston and be nice.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
It would be great, guys, listen. It's fun to be
on with you guys, because it beats talking to myself.
So I love it.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Thanks, Thanks man, appreciate it. Have a great weekend.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Thanks Billy, go talk to yourself.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Bill Krueger, our weekly baseball guest here at four o'clock.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Hey, we come back.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
We've got news yesterday, the Buffalo Bills are going to
be the hard knocks team on HBO.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
I've got some thoughts on hard knocks.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I'm gonna get Hughes take on if that's a benefit
a detriment. And also, the Seahawks and the Packers are
doing joint practices prior to their preseason game. I know
Hugh's got a story or two about a joint practice
he's been in. We'll tell that story next, tell.
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Speaker 2 (20:28):
Well, the Buffalo Bills the auspicious or maybe inauspicious, depending
on how you look at it, distinction of being the
preseason hard knocks team for HBO this year and just
doing a little research here, Hugh, I did not realize
you'd ask me an hour ago how long has Hard
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Knocks been on HBO.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
I'd have been like, ow, ten.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Twelve years, something like that. Two thousand and one was
the first Hardkno. Twenty four years ago. I still thought
it was a relatively new phenomenon. The Ravens, following their
championship team in two thousand, were the first Hard Knocks
preseason team. Then in two thousand and two they did
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the Dallas Cowboys, and then it went away for three, three, four, five, six,
and they've done it every year since.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Seven. And you know, there's a little there's some.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Criteria that is a little bit new this year starting
for Hard Knocks. There's three new parameters to term a
team's eligibility. One you must not have been featured on
the show for the last eight seasons. So we know
next year it will not be the Bills, Bears, Jets, Lions, Cowboys, Chargers, Rams,
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or Raiders. We know it won't be one of those teams,
which makes Pete Carroll certainly very happy. I'm sure must
not have a head coach who was in its first
season with the team, and must not be featured on
any other addition on the show that year, meaning NFC
East teams in twenty twenty five could not be on
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both the preseason and in season shows because evidently they
did some sort of NFC show NFC East show this
last year. So the Bills get it this year. And
a question was asked, is there a curse? Well, depends
on how you look at it. Only seven of the
twenty two Hard Knocks teams made the playoffs that year.
But when you look at the teams chosen, there's been
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a lot of Jets and Falcons and Bucks and Browns
and Raiders, just a lot of teams that don't make
the playoffs anyway. So let's start there. I mean, is
it a if you were in the NFL still Hugh
and HBO was around your camp every single day of
training camp? Would that be a positive in your opinion?
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A negative or kind of a nothing?
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Burger?
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Think could be a little bit of a distraction, you know,
because they've got they've got these boom mics that are
trying to peer into all your conversations. I bet there's
some players that take some measures to say, you know,
I don't know that I really want this on the conversation. Now,
some would say, hey they want the limelight and hey,
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tape away. I think you just got different personalities there.
I think in the end, I think most coaches message
would be, look it is, you know, this is above
our pay grade. They're here, and so you just deal
with professionals and whether it's a distraction, whether it isn't.
It's certainly not an excuse. But there's some coaches where
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it's not above their pay grade, right. I mean, there's
a reason the New England Patriots have not been on
hard knocks. I mean there are a few coaches, don't
you think that have the cache a I mean to
say we don't want this. I think there's a reason
the Seattle Seahawks we're not on hard knocks with Pete Carroll.
I think there's a reason the Pittsburgh Steelers have not
been on hard knocks with Mike Tomlin. I think the
reason the New England Patriots have never been on with
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Bill Belichick. Well, isn't it true they're mostly as you
said that the to use a tyrone Willingham terment, isn't
it mostly downtrodden programs usually?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
But they don't I don't think they want downtrodden programs.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
I mean, they got the bills this year, didn't They
used to have a rule where you had to not
been making the playoffs, that's right, So they have that
role where you couldn't make the playoffs. So that made
it so you're looking at, you know, those middling teams
of drafting around tenth, right.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
But I mean there's been years that Pete Carroll didn't
make plays.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
There's years of Bill Belichick and Mike Tomlin didn't make
the playoffs, and they're not frequent, but I'm sure those
teams they would want to have them in. I mean,
they had the Cowboys in twenty twenty one. That was
a big, big cash a team. But I just don't
see any teams that have been selected really in recent
history that have had coaches that are like big time,
long term head coaches.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
I think that the show itself has changed because early on,
and I wouldn't say I've been an ardent viewer in
that I've never missed an episode, but I've certainly caught
more episodes than I missed. Okay, And there was a
point where they had these embedded cameras, presumably small and
unobtrusive type cameras and some of the really nasty conversations
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that take place, like guys getting cut, for example, those
would all be exposed and that would be part of
the show. And it seems like in recent years they've
gone away from that and almost sterile.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Well, I think that I think that some of the
juicier stuff has been omitted. Now you had. The last
really titillating part of the Hard Knocks was the offseason
stuff with the Giants when they had when they were
disclosing the conversation that they had had about taking the market.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Right.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Yes, but I think some of the players I remember
that one of the last I don't recall the name.
I feel like it was a Kyle Shanahan. Oh, but
but I could be wrong. It doesn't matter. What I
remember is they showed a series of guys come in
and get cut, and almost all of them are are like, hey, hey,
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we're gonna have to let you go. And they're like, okay, okay,
thank you for the opportunity. Hey, if if something happens,
we'll well we'll get back to you, okay, you know,
and all this handle it with with class. Right, There's
this one guy I remember who was a tight end.
That's about all I remember. I don't remember's name, and
nobody was a tight end. And he's getting cut by
the head coach, who I think was Kyle Shannon. I
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know this is a lame story in some respects because
I can't remember who on either end, but I know
what happened. And if I dug I could, I could
get you the names. It doesn't really matter. This tight
end when he got cut, he said, that's F and
BS and he said the whole thing. He said, no,
you're not cutting me. No, that's I made this F
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and team and I'm better than I mean, he was
going off.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
He's like, no, you're not cutting me. You're not and he's.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
MF and the head coach, you're not cutting me, No,
and and so, and they said, well, you know, sorry,
and then they show again. I'm gonna just go with
Kyle Shannon. It might not have been Kyle Shanahan walks down, Well,
you think I would remember, but because it would have
been John Lynched he went to but that the head coach.
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He said to the the GM, he goes, hey, I
think it was the line. You know what it was?
Dan Campbell, Dan when it was it was Dan Campbell,
and it was a tight end. It was yes and
uh so he tells Dan Campbell like, no, you're not
f and cutting me, and Dan Campbell goes down to
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the GM. He goes, Hey, keep that dude's name. If
anything happens, he is first on the line. We're we're
bringing him back if anything happened. Like Campbell loved it that.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
He was here.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
He's got m F and yeah. So and I'm laughing
because the source of my memory was my wife was
walking by and she founded for you. She and she
walks over and shows me the text and she wrote lions.
So there's all on six right there my shell. You
know it's John Stocked in the sh Yes.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
You look at you look at the question of why
the Seahawks haven't been on when they go the point
dick of like, well, there's been opportunities, right, well, you
look at it. I mean, the Seahugs really got interesting
when they were Super Bowl contenders in twelve, right when
they made the twelve playoffs thirteen and fourteen in the playoffs,
fifteen in the playoffs, sixteen, in the playoffs seventeen, they
weren't in the playoffs, so that means they would have
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appeared then in the twenty eighteen Hard Knocks. Twenty eighteen
Hard Knocks went to the Cleveland Browns with the first
overall pick, a Baker Mayfield. That was an obvious choice.
And then they were right back in eighteen nineteen twenty.
So when the Seahuks were interesting with Russell and with
everything else going on, when they were interesting other than
seventeen or eighteen the Hard Knocks, they weren't eligible for it.
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And even then, I mean, the pretty easy choice. At
that point, we're five years from the.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Number one pick.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
May feel like it's obvious I went to Cleveland, so
like there was never never a chance for Carol and
the Seahawks to even get Hard Knocks.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
And by proxy, what you're alluding to, which I think
is accurate, is that they have been a boring football
team for the last four years, at least boring on
a national scale. Yeah, and I don't think because I
think we have a crap about the Seahawks over the
last half decade.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
Dick, We're in Alaska and most of us think that
we're in Canada.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Yeah, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I'm gonna go, i'm gonna go. Check out my sled
dogs during this break
It's time for our weekly conversation with Bill Krueger, brought
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Ah Thursdays being Bill Krueger talking baseball and Bill, as
I mentioned, welcome, Welcome, and as I mentioned in the
last segment, going to Break. I mean, it's tough to
say there's any big series in May. But if you
were to, if you were to rank all the potential
series that you could get in May, a four game
series at Houston probably would be at the top of
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the list.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I think that's fair. You know, the Marritors were there
were just they were just like beat on them like
a drum for many years, and then the last couple
of years has held their own against the Astros, and
I see more of the same coming. They got him
there three and a half years behind the Mariners now,
and you know, you keep tripping great players away from
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the Astros and Eventually they have to they have to
show that they're not the same team and the marriage
are catching them without William McCovey Alvarez. So time is right,
and the Mariners had a good picture, a great picture
in my opinion. George Kirby, So the time is right.
The team is playing well with confidence, and I think
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the one thing that Houston has now is the confidence
of a champion. But they're not a championship team.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
So George Kirby goes tonight for the first time Bill
Woo challenges is he facing both physically and mentally? What's
what's as objective as he takes the hill tonight.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I'll find his release point, get a rhythm going, uh,
locate his fastball, and then work from there. This guy
is coing of for I mean, he's a magnificent sprite
thrower with a beautiful delivery. He's one of the real
special control guys. H I rank them right up there
with some of the best that have come down the
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pike in the last few decades. So, uh, I think
he's a brilliant pitcher. Now, hey, look he's been he's
been pitching simulated games and pitching in the minor leagues.
This is gonna be a whole quantum step up. But
this is the guy that sees himself is great, and
so far he has been great. He's gonna he's not
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gonna have any trepidation about facing these guys. They are
a very right hand hitting team and with Alba, without
Albarez and Tucker's gone, and know Albarez, it's gonna be
you know, Rity's are going to have to try to
hit him, and they're not going to have much success.
I think the only story of this game will be, uh,
how how far will we go? Because we're gonna you know,
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there's gonna kid glove him, and you know, and unfortunately,
in every aspect h starting pitch, he gets sold short.
They get sold short when they're healthy, they get should
sold short when they're supposed to be rehappy to come
to the big leagues and pitch, because as soon as
they get the four or five innings, they go to
the big leagues. You know, the common rule is if
you want to pitch five in the big leagues, you
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need to throw seven in Triple A. And I think
they always cut pitchers one game short because they're salivating
to get him to the big leagues, right, and then
they want to, you know, have a cadre of other
pitchers pitching the game that are of lesser quality. You know,
it's just it's more of the same, you know problem
that I have with the whole the whole way it's
it's put together. But I don't want to downplay the
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fact that this guy is back. He's a brilliant young
pitcher and I expect to see, you know, the George
Kirby of old. I think he's he's going to be healthy,
the ball's gonna leap out of his hand. He's going
to show you great control and great stuff, and I
expect him to do very well. The question is how
far will he get in the game.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Well, and then you've got Ryce Miller and Logan Gilbert,
who are just you know, a step or two behind
Kirbyan coming back. What is the typical length of time
between a simulated game and back to action? And then
how long are you usually on that pitch count where
they're just really kind.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Of babying you.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Well, each of these guys has got Bryce Miller is
pretty close to action to be where he is now.
So Bryce Miller, uh, you know, I always say they
should go and fetch in real competition, where the guy
that's uh, that's on the other side of this one
on one equation is trying to take food off your plate,
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because that's the only way you're gonna know at full
extension whether a guy is healthy or not. And if
he's got a bit of an elbow problem, the last
place you're going to have a problem is at the elbow.
If you can kind of understand that, you could throw
the ball at your shoulder and you can really use
your shoulder up to the point where you're you're really
accelerating at the last possible is of your of your release,
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and that's where the flexer bundle. If that's Bryce Miller's
probably know, that's where Logan Gilbert's problem is. They're gonna
really know at that point. They're not gonna Logan Gilbert
is not gonna know until that last point of full release.
I know that because I've had oh, i'd say probably
three different flexor injuries, So I understand the flexer problem
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pretty well. And you can feel good and it can
go right, but it's all gonna come down to where,
like I said, full extension and the guys trying to
together guys trying to take food off your off your table.
So so getting back to your question, Bryce Miller probably
gets one. Maybe rehab starting is ready to go. I'm
just wildly sort of guessing, whereas I think might want
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to pitch twice. But these guys, like I said, man,
it's that Pavlov's dogs. You know, you dangle the carrot
and they want to eat, so you know they're gonna
want to get these guys back. And oh, we got
it back for three innings and then they have to
throw all this pitching at it and then they're complaining
that they don't we don't have any pitcher. What are
we gonna do. It's like it's like poor Kasey Lawrence.
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He's on a plane again. He throws five inks. Granted
he's not over powering of one run baseball, and his
reward is he thanks a lot back to triple A
for you. I mean, makes sense. Why doesn't he hurt
a spot? If he pitched that good, he should stay
right because there's no time to not have a fresh arm.
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Because everybody's got their little spot in the week. And
my day is Tuesday, and then my day is Thursday.
And my my color pen is purple, and they write
me on the calendar. It's like, come on, play the game.
Let's put the resources into the game, Hugh, And let's
play the game. That's what.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Yeah, No, I get it, But one more on Kirby tonight.
So what whatever the nature of the Souldier injury had,
what would be are the Are there some pitches that
maybe in the back of your mind with that you say, Oh,
I don't know if I can give it my all?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Is it just a fastball, like I don't know if
I can just rev that thing up? Or is it
the the torque that comes with some of the breaking pitches?
Like if you had if you were on the mound
and you had had Kirby's injury, and I had to say,
pistol to your temple. You gotta tell me, like I'm
the trainer of the Mariners, you got to tell me
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the one pitch that you might be reluctant to know
whether or not you can really let it fly. What
would be that pitch?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I think with the shoulder, he knows, he knows, he's fine.
The shoulder is gonna it's gonna rear up as he
as he uh works his way along. If he's got
some weakness in there, it's going to start to he's
going to start to feel the weakness or the fatigue
in his shoulder. But it most notably won't come from
one pitch the other one With the elbow. When you're
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at full extension, that's the only way you're gonna know.
And so the elbow is gonna be and it's not
a certain pitch. It's going to be at full extension.
It's not Realdy throwing a slider or a fastball or
a split or a curve with these with these arm situations,
it's not throwing in particular pitch. It's pitching at full speed.
And I I you don't get to full speed you
until it really comes down to live action where they're
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really active, you're really going one on one with somebody
and you're really letting it rip. So I don't I
don't foresee him worried about any pitch. And my guess
is Kirby is completely I think he probably felt like,
why did you pull the plug on me? In spring training?
I have little inflammation. They could have just backed me
off a fuzz and got me back going again. But
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they really set him back and read made sure he's okay,
and really strengthened it and got all the inflammation out.
I see him as being totally mindfree about his arm.
Whatever you do, the other guy's got got some some
steps to get through for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Well let's talk about guy that's been the ace of
the staff thus far this season. He's five and one
with a two six five ERA, and he's the only
guy in baseball that's thrown six innings or more every
single time.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
He's taken the taking the mound nine times.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And what I've noticed about Brian Wouin and maybe I
just missed this last year in the year before, but
I'm just watching his last start Bill.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
And it just the ball just explodes.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
It reminds me of Freddy Couples, where it just looks
like he's swinging in slow mo and he's still hitting
a seven iron two hundred yards in his prime.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
It's just it's effortless what Brian Wu's doing.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah, you're right, And I think that's part of his deception,
is that he's so smooth that it's the ball just
gets on you. He's a very good athlete. Number One,
if you're watching field, a position. He's a former infielder.
He's a good athlete, and that has allowed him to
be very good at repeating his delivery. He has the
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uniqueness he does come from a low slot to kind
of upshoot people, and it's unique in that regard. It's
concerning he's had two TJ's, and you know why, because
he's putting a lot of pressure on his elbow the
way he throws elbow lead. I don't mean to cast
a shadow on him because I like him, but what's
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really impressive about him is that it's not just trickery.
It's not just he's easy on the eyes and the
ball explodes. It's not because he's got this unique ability
to kind of upshoot the ball in the area of
the high strike zone. It's the fact that he commands
the fastball. It pitches fearlessly inside the strike zone, which
is sort of counter to what they're teaching kids to
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pitch with. They're teaching everybody to pitch above the zone
and below the zone, above and below. Throw it hard,
high spin, throw it spin, make it go down, you know,
not teaching kids how to get people out. In this
he has to throw a lot of fastballs because his
other fishes are just okay, I'm going to get it
a little bit better. But he has to understand where
the fastball has to go, and he does it well.
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He spots the fastball and he wins inside the strike zone.
And he doesn't have to strike out everybody, because striking
out everybody doesn't allow you to win games. Striking out
everybody doesn't eliminate the bullpen like it should. You should.
If you're pitching good baseball and you're a good starter,
you should be able to get to the last two
guys in the pen. You shouldn't have to tack on
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four guys every game you picked. Well, that's what destroys
the pitching staff. And he's great. He's pitching in deeping
games because he's efficient. We don't talk enough about that.
We talk about swinging miss swinging miss, well, swing and
miss really counts win with two strikes, right, that's the
only time swinging this matters. I don't care what happens.
So we get I'll take the swing and miss then,
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But we want to talk about with percentage and we
want to talk about all this stuff. Right, It's just
it's kind of nonsensical. To me, because winning in the
side to strike zone is the key to being a
great starter. Seventh and eighth to ninth inning is where
strikeouts are more important, because more times than not, you're
coming into a game where the heat is on, the
game is on the line. Guys are on base hitter
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spring hitting hitting position where they're going to swing the bat,
and getting someone to strike out matters. But for the starter,
if I can get somebody to put the ball in
play to the second basement on the second pitch, I
don't care how hard he hits it, and I get
to put some pitches in my back pocket, I'm all
for that. Yeah, that's good pitching, that's good baseball.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Bill Krueger with us, and Bill, let's go to the
other side. And I'm curious your take on the infield.
Obviously JP's JP, But but if Bill Krueger's making the decisions,
what what is the best plan at first, second, and
third base for the immediate future.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Well, they've got a they've got a long shuited and
second baseman, right, they got Polanco who's not going to
play defense, I guess, And you've got Reevoffs, You've got
Dylan Moore and you got master Bony. They all play second,
and so you know you like it. I'm not. I'm
just I'm sort of laying the groundwork. I think Rolly
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Tiles is a good first basement. He's kind of twinkled
to post Flintstone the dancing pair, but he can really
play first. They got a benefit because really got hurt
in a sense role Boods got hurt, which was the
first benefit because that forced Raady off first base, which
made them take their dh Tella's telenes and put him
at first. And they had, oh my goodness, this guy
can really play first, and he can read. He play first.
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Do you notice they didn't pitch Hick for him the
other day because they wanted him. They could say they
wanted to keep him for the next ab against the
right hander, but they kept him because he's a better defender.
He's a big target. He catches the base ball, he
fields the baseball. He's got soft hands. So they've improved
markedly with him at first second base. Dylan Moore moves around.
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Dylan Moore was there all the time. He'd be really
good at second, but he's been kind of hit and
miss because he plays all over the place. And he's
not playing as much right now because he's not getting
any time because Williamson is playing third, and Williamson has
to play every day or he goes to Triple A.
And I like the player. He's a little not like
a great hitter, but he's hitting enough that his defense
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is so good that you love him. Right. He's a
nice looking young player. He puts the ball in play,
so and then getting to Reboss Reeboss is just the
undersold good player. He's a good player. You know, he
gets on base, he puts the ball in play, doesn't
strike out. He plays the best second base of all
of them. And Master Boney, you know, he's just gritty,
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he's he's the guy you won on your team. He's
nuts and ball snails for breakfast. You know, he can
play second, he can play third, he could play the outfield.
He had dial to Moore are a nice compliment of players.
So I don't know where I'm headed here, but for me,
Roddy Tills is at first as much as possible, and
and obviously Crawford is playing has having a great year
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and playing excellent short stop, and we already swinging the
bat and getting the ball in play, and getting on base.
Is it is so interesting that he finally gets back
to the leadoffs blot and he's a traditional leadoff hitter.
Baseball is all about, well, let's see, now, if we
hit you first or second, you get zero point two, five, seven, six,
four eight too more at bats per week. But you know,
it doesn't really matter. It matters when you hit, not
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how many times you hit. And having a guy that's
taking pitches and getting on base that's a leadoff hitter's
because of default. A lot of things have happened because
of default with this team. Injury has forced them to
take and put guys that put the ball in play
and have more patients into the game. Roadblays, no patience,
Ryan Bliss, a lot of strikeouts, yep, you know, and
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all of a sudden you added guys that could do
that or got better on defense. There's been things that
have happened that have been just because of the kind
of the what what should be bad fortune that turned
into good fortune. And of course Polanco is the secret uh,
he's the secret story behind the offense. I mean, you've
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been able to ignore the fact that Rodriguez is having
another uneven season that because Polonco has been beyond comprehension, right,
Just to follow up, Williams is going to play third,
Crawford's gonna play short, Rowdy's gonna play first, And for me,
I would say, let's see a little bit more of
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Reevos at second before he kind of loses his rhythm.
So I'd like to say, because every time he plays man,
he makes great plays up the middle, and he puts
the ball in play and he walks. I'm all for that.
I don't care where you rank him or how much
his slugging percentage is because I don't care.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Well, just follow up, you say, Williamson for those who say, hey,
he just doesn't have the power to warrant uh that
type of game. You know, day to day action at
third base, you love his defense. Your response is, will.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Well, you know they've got they've got enough power, so
you know, you know, third base is considered a corner
power position. But you know you've got to catch her
that could hit forty homers, so you're you're you're kind
of getting that at some place, and you got a
you got a centerfielder that's going to hit thirty. So
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you know the fact that third base doesn't hit, and
the corner left field is going to hit twenty five.
So they've got some homers out there. They don't They
don't need him to homer. They just need him to
stay above water, not sink. He putting the ball in play.
Don't try to get bigger than you are. Survive against
those tough ridings, and get the hit the guys that
you can hit, put the ball in play, to play
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the really good defense that you're playing. I mean, I
think I like the player. I mean, he's he's not
and he's got a good idea about the strike zone
and the more that he can just say to himself,
I'm going to get trapped into like I've got to
sweep the bad harder. I gotta hit the ball harder
and just stay inside the baseball and try to put
the ball and play with some authority and play defense.
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I like that to me. I need a combination of
players that have different attributes. I only need a couple
guys in the middle that really hit the ball of
the ballpark. But you look back at the Giants, Look
at the Giants when they won three straight World championships.
Once you get past gosh, the catch of the posts
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the intense. Can you name the rest of their lions?
They won three World championships? No, you need anybody. You
can name their pitches and what do they do they
want They played in a giant park like we do.
They could really pitch like we do, and they catch
the baseball and they run, they ran, uh you know, uh,
they would put the ball. They would put the game
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in motion and uh and you know, get a two
to one count. Guys would put the ball and play
on a tough pitch and they'd moved the guy to second,
get them more to third score and then just really pitch.
So you don't need everybody s plug in the baseball.
You just need a couple. And if you play defense
and catch and you have in this team, I think
the Marriags are great. They're gonna be the division. They're
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pitches coming back and when it does, and if they
they don't even have to be as good offensively as
they are now. They just need to be in the
middle of.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
The pack, right right, Bill, Great stuff, always a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Let's hope when we talk to you next week we
get maybe maybe three and one against Houston and be nice.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
It would be great, guys, listen. It's fun to be
on with you guys, because it beats talking to myself.
So I love it.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Thanks, Thanks man, appreciate it. Have a great weekend.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Thanks Billy, go talk to yourself.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Bill Krueger, our weekly baseball guest here at four o'clock.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Hey, we come back.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
We've got news yesterday, the Buffalo Bills are going to
be the hard knocks team on HBO.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
I've got some thoughts on hard knocks.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I'm gonna get Hughes take on if that's a benefit
a detriment. And also, the Seahawks and the Packers are
doing joint practices prior to their preseason game. I know
Hugh's got a story or two about a joint practice
he's been in. We'll tell that story next, tell.
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Speaker 2 (20:28):
Well, the Buffalo Bills the auspicious or maybe inauspicious, depending
on how you look at it, distinction of being the
preseason hard knocks team for HBO this year and just
doing a little research here, Hugh, I did not realize
you'd ask me an hour ago how long has Hard
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Knocks been on HBO.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
I'd have been like, ow, ten.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Twelve years, something like that. Two thousand and one was
the first Hardkno. Twenty four years ago. I still thought
it was a relatively new phenomenon. The Ravens, following their
championship team in two thousand, were the first Hard Knocks
preseason team. Then in two thousand and two they did
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the Dallas Cowboys, and then it went away for three, three, four, five, six,
and they've done it every year since.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Seven. And you know, there's a little there's some.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Criteria that is a little bit new this year starting
for Hard Knocks. There's three new parameters to term a
team's eligibility. One you must not have been featured on
the show for the last eight seasons. So we know
next year it will not be the Bills, Bears, Jets, Lions, Cowboys, Chargers, Rams,
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or Raiders. We know it won't be one of those teams,
which makes Pete Carroll certainly very happy. I'm sure must
not have a head coach who was in its first
season with the team, and must not be featured on
any other addition on the show that year, meaning NFC
East teams in twenty twenty five could not be on
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both the preseason and in season shows because evidently they
did some sort of NFC show NFC East show this
last year. So the Bills get it this year. And
a question was asked, is there a curse? Well, depends
on how you look at it. Only seven of the
twenty two Hard Knocks teams made the playoffs that year.
But when you look at the teams chosen, there's been
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a lot of Jets and Falcons and Bucks and Browns
and Raiders, just a lot of teams that don't make
the playoffs anyway. So let's start there. I mean, is
it a if you were in the NFL still Hugh
and HBO was around your camp every single day of
training camp? Would that be a positive in your opinion?
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A negative or kind of a nothing?
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Burger?
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Think could be a little bit of a distraction, you know,
because they've got they've got these boom mics that are
trying to peer into all your conversations. I bet there's
some players that take some measures to say, you know,
I don't know that I really want this on the conversation. Now,
some would say, hey they want the limelight and hey,
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tape away. I think you just got different personalities there.
I think in the end, I think most coaches message
would be, look it is, you know, this is above
our pay grade. They're here, and so you just deal
with professionals and whether it's a distraction, whether it isn't.
It's certainly not an excuse. But there's some coaches where
(23:42):
it's not above their pay grade, right. I mean, there's
a reason the New England Patriots have not been on
hard knocks. I mean there are a few coaches, don't
you think that have the cache a I mean to
say we don't want this. I think there's a reason
the Seattle Seahawks we're not on hard knocks with Pete Carroll.
I think there's a reason the Pittsburgh Steelers have not
been on hard knocks with Mike Tomlin. I think the
reason the New England Patriots have never been on with
(24:04):
Bill Belichick. Well, isn't it true they're mostly as you
said that the to use a tyrone Willingham terment, isn't
it mostly downtrodden programs usually?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
But they don't I don't think they want downtrodden programs.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
I mean, they got the bills this year, didn't They
used to have a rule where you had to not
been making the playoffs, that's right, So they have that
role where you couldn't make the playoffs. So that made
it so you're looking at, you know, those middling teams
of drafting around tenth, right.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
But I mean there's been years that Pete Carroll didn't
make plays.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
There's years of Bill Belichick and Mike Tomlin didn't make
the playoffs, and they're not frequent, but I'm sure those
teams they would want to have them in. I mean,
they had the Cowboys in twenty twenty one. That was
a big, big cash a team. But I just don't
see any teams that have been selected really in recent
history that have had coaches that are like big time,
long term head coaches.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
I think that the show itself has changed because early on,
and I wouldn't say I've been an ardent viewer in
that I've never missed an episode, but I've certainly caught
more episodes than I missed. Okay, And there was a
point where they had these embedded cameras, presumably small and
unobtrusive type cameras and some of the really nasty conversations
(25:18):
that take place, like guys getting cut, for example, those
would all be exposed and that would be part of
the show. And it seems like in recent years they've
gone away from that and almost sterile.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Well, I think that I think that some of the
juicier stuff has been omitted. Now you had. The last
really titillating part of the Hard Knocks was the offseason
stuff with the Giants when they had when they were
disclosing the conversation that they had had about taking the market.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Right.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Yes, but I think some of the players I remember
that one of the last I don't recall the name.
I feel like it was a Kyle Shanahan. Oh, but
but I could be wrong. It doesn't matter. What I
remember is they showed a series of guys come in
and get cut, and almost all of them are are like, hey, hey,
(26:11):
we're gonna have to let you go. And they're like, okay, okay,
thank you for the opportunity. Hey, if if something happens,
we'll well we'll get back to you, okay, you know,
and all this handle it with with class. Right, There's
this one guy I remember who was a tight end.
That's about all I remember. I don't remember's name, and
nobody was a tight end. And he's getting cut by
the head coach, who I think was Kyle Shannon. I
(26:32):
know this is a lame story in some respects because
I can't remember who on either end, but I know
what happened. And if I dug I could, I could
get you the names. It doesn't really matter. This tight
end when he got cut, he said, that's F and
BS and he said the whole thing. He said, no,
you're not cutting me. No, that's I made this F
(26:53):
and team and I'm better than I mean, he was
going off.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
He's like, no, you're not cutting me. You're not and he's.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
MF and the head coach, you're not cutting me, No,
and and so, and they said, well, you know, sorry,
and then they show again. I'm gonna just go with
Kyle Shannon. It might not have been Kyle Shanahan walks down, Well,
you think I would remember, but because it would have
been John Lynched he went to but that the head coach.
(27:22):
He said to the the GM, he goes, hey, I
think it was the line. You know what it was?
Dan Campbell, Dan when it was it was Dan Campbell,
and it was a tight end. It was yes and
uh so he tells Dan Campbell like, no, you're not
f and cutting me, and Dan Campbell goes down to
(27:44):
the GM. He goes, Hey, keep that dude's name. If
anything happens, he is first on the line. We're we're
bringing him back if anything happened. Like Campbell loved it that.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
He was here.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
He's got m F and yeah. So and I'm laughing
because the source of my memory was my wife was
walking by and she founded for you. She and she
walks over and shows me the text and she wrote lions.
So there's all on six right there my shell. You
know it's John Stocked in the sh Yes.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
You look at you look at the question of why
the Seahawks haven't been on when they go the point
dick of like, well, there's been opportunities, right, well, you
look at it. I mean, the Seahugs really got interesting
when they were Super Bowl contenders in twelve, right when
they made the twelve playoffs thirteen and fourteen in the playoffs,
fifteen in the playoffs, sixteen, in the playoffs seventeen, they
weren't in the playoffs, so that means they would have
(28:41):
appeared then in the twenty eighteen Hard Knocks. Twenty eighteen
Hard Knocks went to the Cleveland Browns with the first
overall pick, a Baker Mayfield. That was an obvious choice.
And then they were right back in eighteen nineteen twenty.
So when the Seahuks were interesting with Russell and with
everything else going on, when they were interesting other than
seventeen or eighteen the Hard Knocks, they weren't eligible for it.
(29:04):
And even then, I mean, the pretty easy choice. At
that point, we're five years from the.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Number one pick.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
May feel like it's obvious I went to Cleveland, so
like there was never never a chance for Carol and
the Seahawks to even get Hard Knocks.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
And by proxy, what you're alluding to, which I think
is accurate, is that they have been a boring football
team for the last four years, at least boring on
a national scale. Yeah, and I don't think because I
think we have a crap about the Seahawks over the
last half decade.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
Dick, We're in Alaska and most of us think that
we're in Canada.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Yeah, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I'm gonna go, i'm gonna go. Check out my sled
dogs during this break
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