May 23, 2025 • 37 mins
In the first hour, Dick Fain and Hugh Millen discuss the line that Las Vegas sports books set for the Seahawks win total in 2025 at 7.5, then talk about the Seahawks defensive personnel and how they could line up this season before having some Fun with Audio.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Humill En joins us once again. Hey Huey, how are
you doing doing good? Doing good?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Man?
Speaker 1 (00:04):
And a lot to get to today, Chuckle join us
at four o'clock Chuck Pewell to talk a little marin
or baseball. We also have I'm gonna play mediator and
a little debate, a little NBA lottery debate with Chuck
and Hugh. I look forward to that. We also have
our Bracket Friday. Bracket Friday every Friday in the summertime,
we have some fun and what we try to do
(00:26):
is We've got all these these brackets. I've got a list,
I know Jackson's got a list like twenty long. I've
gotten fourteen. I got fifteen twenty brackets as well that
we could just pull out at any time that we
just over the course of the months, we just kind
of look at and say, oh, this would be a
fabulous bracket. But we don't really want it to be random.
We want to have some sort of current events tied
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to the bracket that we do to make it sense. So,
since we're playing the Houston Astros, you're the one that
was the brainchild of this, Jackson, So why don't you
describe what we got going on.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Friday Loch driving on wind and I said to myself, Oh, shoot,
are we doing a bracket on Friday? Okay, like what's
topical right now? Mariner's playing the Astros. Well, I mean
we did a couple of weeks ago playing Toronto, So
who are the worst fan bases? So, basing off of
who we're playing, thought, who are the biggest cheaters of
this century? What are the biggest cheating scandals of the
last twenty five years? So we put our heads together
(01:21):
and I think we I kind of think it's a
pretty comprehensive. There might be some guys that you could
split in and end up being an eight seed, but
I think the eight we chose are pretty comprehensive for
the biggest sports cheating scandals of this century, this century,
meaning just the last twenty five minues.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It didn't take us long. I mean, we know, we
got through the first seven in like three minutes, and
then eight was kind of hard, so we you know,
we kind of dug a little bit. But Hugh, I'll
give you the list of the eight so you can
kind of mentally chew on it between now and five
because you're gonna be voting on it at five o'clock.
Our one eight matchup is a couple of cyclists, a
couple of cheating bastard cyclists. The number one seed, Lance
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Armstrong and the number eight seed Floyd landis the four
to five the New England Patriots Region Spygate, the four
seed the flight Gate, the five seed in the four five.
The number three seed, who Ian just said in the
last segment he believes will make the final. They might.
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The three seed cheating bastard Houston Astros and their trash
can bang in their jose l two of a buzzer
wearing selves. The sixth seed, Tim donnihey, the Tim donnahe
NBA officiating scandal that was absolutely huge And if you
haven't read the Sports Illustrated like long form, was that
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air about that. I don't know if Wickersham wrote or not.
I read it on an airplane one time. Wow, it
took me forty five minutes to read it like it
was a book in a in an actual hard copy
of Sports Frustrated. But it is absolutely fascinating Tim donaghy
and the depths of issues that that dude had and
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how deep he went into cheating the games. He officiated,
and then the two seed against the seven seed. The
Mitchell Report is the two seed with all the baseball steroids.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
We're we're encompassing all of this steroid scan exactly, not
just one individual person, because it was it was huge
against the seventh seed the Russian doping scandal that got
their entire nation booted out.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Of the twenty twenty four Olympics. So a lot of
good a lot of good things there. So we'll get
that at five o'clock, will let Hugh kind of chew
on that. You can give us your take on what
you think about that at four nine four or five one.
We'll do some textimonials at four forty five. But you know,
I heard a promo that we ran today and it
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reminded me of a topic of conversation that we had
last week. And I don't believe we've had it with Hugh,
and if we had it, have its it's been it's
been very brief, and it's it's the promo for our show,
and Softie and Jackson and I are all railing against
the Seahawks over under win total at seven and a half,
and since then, the point spreads have actually come out
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for those games. So first it was a win total
that came out at seven and a half, which we were, like,
we all thought was preposterous. And I'm considering just you know,
dumping the kids' education fund into the over on seven
and a half for the Seahawks. And then the point
spreads come out and the Seahawks are only favored by
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more than one and a half in two games. They're
only favored total in seven games all season long, despite
the fact that they were at ten and seventeen last year,
despite the fact that I believe, I think he believes,
I know a lot of Seahawks believe that they are
better off at quarterback this year than last year, the
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fact that their coach is no longer a rookie coach.
And we can talk to Hugh about the advantage it
is of having a second year head coach with a team,
particularly a team that's returning a good chunk of their
team and basically all of their team on his side
of the ball, the defensive side of the ball, We
can talk about that as well. And despite the fact
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that the Seahawks have the third best net rest differential
of any team in the NFL, they have ten more
days rest than the opponents that they play. Lions are
the best with thirteen. Seahawks are the third best at ten.
The Raiders, by the way, are the worst with negative seventeen.
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So that's a little hill that Pete Carroll has to climb.
And looking at some of these games and I'll just
kind of itemize them and then I want to get
your takes, you guys take on them. I just went
kind of game by game and I kind of I
found which games I just thought were odd, and I
found six of the seventeen that I was like, I
don't understand why this is? Why this makes sense? One?
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Why are they underdogs at home in the opener to
San Francisco? Number two? Why are the underdogs in Arizona
on September twenty fifth, the place that has been a
weird place for the Seahawks, but they have home field
advantage when they go to Arizona? Number three? Why is
Tampa favored here at Lumen Field October fifth? Number four?
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Why is Jacksonville favored over the Seattle Seahawks. They were
four and thirteen last year and the Seahawks have gone
to Jacksonville before, and it sounds like a Seahawks home
crowd when they do number five, This was actually one
in favor of Seattle. Why is Seattle favored against Houston
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on Monday Night football? I don't think they should be
favored in that game. And six, why are they favored
by only a point and a half at home against
Minnesota who is starting JJ McCarthy at quarterback against their
former quarterback in Sam Darnold. So I know that's a
lot I just threw out at you, but I just
kind of wanted to just get it all out there. Hugh,
Let's start with you, like anything that I said there
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that kind of peaked your interest Whichever direction you kind
of want to take this, either with the point spreads
that I mentioned or just the over under in general.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Well, I'm just responding off the cuff as your talkings
and and so my response as you're talking is that
given that Vegas has the belief that there would you say,
seven games seven seven games, then you would expect that
if you on a micro level, you you would find
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some games that Vegas has to account for Seattle losing
or being you know, a narrow favorite in games where
you would think that they'd be a significant favorite. I
think it's really hard to tell. Now, things like you know,
for example, the Vikings the tape of McCarthy H J. J.
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McCarthy in the preseason on the you know, as part
of the thirty third team and we had the uh
they all twenty two. You had, you know, a bunch
of you know, this brain trusted in there evaluating McCarthy,
and before he got hurt.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
He looked really, really really good.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Now is a very small you know, I don't even
know what is his stats would be, but it was
not much. But and I don't know if that's relevant,
but but he had some incredible plays.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
How would you compare him to what you saw from
bone Nicks? Is it? Was it similar to what you
saw from Bonis both of them? I would say in
the regular season last I.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Would say, you know, I think McCarthy maybe maybe Jackson
can look it up. I'm not prepared for this, but
how many how many UH past attempts did McCarthy have
in preseason? I would say that McCarthy on the aggregat
and he had an inn reception that wasn't his fault
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I can remember, but I remember a play action over
route that he had the slot receiver going right to
left in zone coverage where McCarthy had to he had
to process this layering between zone defenders over the top
but in between windows, guy bearing down on him. He
knew he was going to take a huge hit. He
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just stood in there and he just incredible play. Here's
your numbers.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Eleven of seventeen and eight yards, two touchdowns, one interception,
passer rating of one to seventeen.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
That's the only and that's for the entire.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, I only played one game in the preseason.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Yeah, well we studied that that preseason game, and he
looked really good and better than the numbers would like. Okay,
you can you can have those kind of numbers and
kind of check down and not really have any.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Do you remember if he was playing against starters, that
wouldn't matter.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
I think he was, Yeah, it would, but you know
nowadays starters can you know, they can play three plays,
but whether they were starters or not, a few of
the plays that I remember off hand, I can remember
just saying that's that's a big time play. That is whatever.
(10:14):
You know, PFF has a big time throw. That's a
big time throw. And then something. He had a couple
of those so so I think there was a feeling
and and you know, Minnesota doesn't matter, like it seems
like no matter who they they play, they just have
a way of getting good quarterback play. I mean, remember
who was the kid from the Rocket Scientist that oh gosh,
(10:39):
he comes from this there's literally a rocket scientist. He
played at Tennessee. Crap, I'm not ready for this.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
The guy got drafted in the fourth.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Round, yeah something and and but he but he came
in in like three days and he and he ended
up going like three and oh four and oh or
something out.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Of bald head. Josh, thank you.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Yeah, he's literally a rocket scientist. But but he came
in and and and played a couple of years back
and played really well from the jump. And it's like
whoever they put in their Kirk cousins obviously Sam Donald.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
You know, certain teams that get good go back play
and other teams that just cannot find good quarterbacks exactly, Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
And so.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Uh at an event, Yeah, that was very impressive by him.
And so I uh, I think that getting back to Seattle,
I think there's just a feeling a question about where
the offense is. Certainly they you know, Vegas has kind
of spoke they think that Gino Smith is better than
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Sam Donald. They certainly do, you know, I think that
the absence of DK metcalf. They probably don't think that
Seattle's solved their offensive line woes with just the pick
of Gray's abel, and.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
May underestimate the Seahawks defense as well.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Well.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
And you know the defense, uh in the second half
of the year. Now, now, we had talked, remember a
year ago, we were saying, hang on, the Seahawks defense
might not be good the first half of the year. Yeah,
And and I can remember, you know, conversations where you're like, hey,
I'm not really seeing it.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I was getting worried. I mean, this was probably you know,
I don't know fifth game. It might have been after
the Giants game, because remember how pissed I was after
the Giants game. But I mean I remember after the
first month, six weeks of the seasons, I was like, Hugh,
what are you seeing here? I'm a little worried. This
guy's supposed to be the freaking guru. And you remember
my reply, yep, well it was it was basically patients
(12:44):
daniel Son right, Well, it was I said, look, I
can't predict what's going to happen with Mike McDonald and
the Seahawks, But I can look back at Mike McDonald
at Baltimore and in his first year.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
It was almost exactly for the first half of the season.
In fact, the Ravens were just incrementally worse than Seattle
was through the first half of the season, I said,
but then from that point on about midway, you know,
it took hold. And then for the Ravens in the
second half of the twenty twenty two season, the Ravens
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were number one in the NFL fewest points allowed. And
so then you say that that could happen with se
I'm not saying the number one, but expecting a big improvement.
So for the second half of last year, now we're
in we're talking Seattle Seahawks twenty twenty four. If you
go if you just if you just go on any
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normal website and say defensive points, they're gonna that are
points allowed. That's a team score. But remember Seattle had
Gino had to pick six. They gave up one hundred
something yard kickoff return, So that impacts most stats. But
when you filter for defensive points allowed, Okay, second half
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of the season. Uh, the Seahawks were fourth. But there's
an asterisk if you take away the last JV game.
Where were they going into the JV game? They were second?
But if you now, I understand this is a little
bit of you know, cooking. But but if you just say, well,
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one of those touchdowns was in the overtime game again
with the Rams. So if you if you say for
all teams quarters one, one, two, three, and four, so
just exclude overtime and say only points allowed by the defense.
The Seahawks were number one in the second half of
the season up up until that RAM game. And I
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get that. You like, oh man, that's there. There's a
few conditions you're throwing in there. Even if you don't four,
I mean, you'll take fourth. What what did Baltimore do
the next year? His his second year, ye number triple crown,
number one, number one one in points allowed, number one
in most sacks, and number one in most turnovers. Wow,
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and that's why he's the head coach of the Seattle Seahawks.
So again he had a two year and oh by
the way, at Michigan, he took the Wolverines from ninety
fourth in college football in scoring. The year before he
got there was like thirty four point and a decimal
point called thirty five points a game. He more than
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halved it. He went from thirty fourth to I think,
or excuse me, ninety fourth I think seventh. They were
like seventeen points a game. So and that was in
one season at Michigan. That's what got him the job
back at Baltimore, where again he was at Baltimore twenty
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two and twenty three. First half of twenty two, well,
team was well below average on all the important defensive stats,
well below the median. Second half of twenty twenty two
number one, all of twenty twenty three number one. So
what Mike McDonald did in twenty twenty four almost mirrored,
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Like you could lay the performance right on top of
and say it was almost identical to year one in Baltimore. Now,
if it's going to carry out, then Seatt'll be number
one and win the Triple Crown. I'm not predicting that,
but what I'm saying is that they were even better.
So this dude, Mike McDonald, he can coach his ass off.
Got a few extra parts here. More of of the
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draft was devoted to the offense. But you got amm
and Worrie and and and you know, a year under
the belt of some of the other important players. But
you know you can pick up a linebacker midway through
the season that was key. But an't Vegas may be
looking at the overall picture of the defense for the
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entire year and not recognizing or more accurately, the people
were making decisions about the point spreads and whatnot. They
may think that the betting public is not looking at
that because they're just trying to.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Find a line.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Yeah, they're just trying to find where you know, they're
trying to have a fifty to fifty right on the bet.
So they may know, like, hey, in other words, Vegas
as an act, you know Vegas, Like well, who's Vegas.
The people that are making the decision about these point spreads,
they may say, look, we know, damn well, Seattle is
really on the incline with their defense, and we know,
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damn well that Mike McDonald just duplicated what he did
in year one in Baltimore and that that the Seahawks
should be sitting on a great defensive year. We know
damn well there, but the clowns out in the public
don't know that, So let's set the line based on
how the clowns are going to vote. Like that Mays
may be their position could be.
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Speaker 6 (18:15):
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Speaker 1 (18:36):
HU, I'm staring down the Seahawks defensive depth chart now
that we've kind of honed in our attention on the
Seahawks defense and the potential well the a the improvement,
not potential, the improvement that we saw from first half
a year one of Mike McDonald to second half of
year one and the potential continued improvement that we could
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see to year two to hopefully get that triple crown
that he got in Baltimore in year two and he's
the defensive coordinator. And I remember asking you last year.
I don't exactly remember when it was, but I asked
you how many championship pieces that this defense had on it?
And I was actually surprised at your answer. I thought
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it would be a lesser number than you actually gave me,
and it was. It was really just the linebackers that
you were concerned with, and that was prior to the
switching at linebacker and Ernest Jones coming in and solidifying that.
So I'm gonna ask you again. I mean, with Leonard Williams,
Byer Murphy, Jaren Reid, DeMarcus Lawrence up front, with Knight, Jones,
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Nuo Sue and then your back end of You're right,
it's probably Josh Joe Bright at one corner and Riek
Wollen at the other, with Witherspoon and the Nickel and
Love and Kobe Bryant is the safeties. I mean, where
are we now? Not a lot of changes since we talked,
other than the linebacker corps of Knight and Jones, but
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where are we now as far as championship level defenders?
And is this team? You know, it's one thing for
him to, you know, win the Triple Crown with Baltimore
a couple of years back. On defense, is this defense
talent wise stack up fairly favorably to that one.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Well, I think you look at what they did. They
led the NFL in sacks. Talking about Baltimore in twenty
twenty two. They had Kyle van Noy on one side,
who was I think about thirty two on his fifth team,
and you had Jadevian Clowney who had had kind of
made his circuit. And so in each of those cases,
I think the prior year they were under under five sacks,
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you know, both of them. So normally you think of
defensive ends to use a baseball term, the aircraft carrier
in the middle of the lineup. Think a defensive end
that can rush like what you saw in the Super Bowl,
Josh Sweat the right end for the Eagles, going against
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Joe Tooney who was their left guard, who know, damn
good left guard, but totally overmatched out at left tackle.
The Eagles didn't draft, did not blitz one time the
entire game, didn't have to. And so that if you
can win a defensive end who can win early in
the down, you don't have to do it with scheme.
Gussie things up. And by the way, McDonald's is very
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good at those simulated pressures where a simulated pressure would
be it looks like a blitz, but you're dropping off
defenders so that you can still play zone with seven.
And so from scheme he's able to He was able
to get those sacks. But I think if there's one
area and I'm and I'm I'm certain I would have
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discussed that in our prior discussions, that the conspicuous absence
of a real aircraft carrier defensive end with Now there's
some there's some questions I have because Okay, you you
draft nick em and worry his his strength is closer
to the line of scrimmage. So if if you're going
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to do that, well, I mean, I think he has
the ability to, yes, But but I think that that
what you've had generally is the Seahawks when they play
more too high defense. So you going to what we've
seen in the past. You have Witherspoon, who's about two
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thirds of the time he's been the nickel, he's been
the slot guy, which means you've had Witherspoon. Excuse me,
Rik Wollen and Uh and at the end of season,
Josh Job is your starting corners. I think Josh Job
could be described as a potential. I don't call him
a pigeon. That's what we in an NFL quarterback meeting room.
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You're trying to find the pigeon. But pigeon spot right,
And yeah, he's trying to find a liability and and
so Josh Job could be that. I think the schematically
they've got some interesting uh decisions because mm and Worry
is better as a closer to the line of scrimmage
guy than he is a back end guy, just in
terms of his impact. So if he's closer to the lion scrimmage,
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he's in. Now, does that mean he's the nickel and
you're you're popping Devin Wetherspoon out to corner? I could
see that, But then that's big nickel. And then can
em and Worry really can you play man and man
uh against the smaller wide receivers that may be in
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the slot. You could have a nickel where you have
a single high defense. So let's say you've got Julian
Love playing the post safety playing essentially center field. Then
you've got two inside linebackers in the persons of Ernest
Jones and you know Tyree Knight for now, and then
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you could have Witherspoon on one side, and you could
have em and Worry on the other. So both Witherspoon
and m and Worry would be what's called curl flat defenders.
They'd be the outside, the outermost of four inside defenders.
Kind of think of them as first and third basement
in a baseball infield, and Ernest Jones and Tyreek Knights
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would be the source stop and second basement. You know,
if you're just kind of thinking an alignment wise, but
then that locks you into certain coverage. Hey hey, are
you of your corners? Can they play? You know, there's
more of a burden in those single high coverage because
the corners have to their first responsibility is to defend
the deep ball from the widest receivers. They have to
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defend that widest receiver all the way to the back
of the end zone, even if you're on the opponent
opponent's one yard line. So because they don't have safety
help over the top, So the fact that that's their
priority leaves them susceptible to various stop routes and intermediate
routes in front of them, because they're mostly concerned about
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the go ball. So it takes a more talented brand
of corner to be able to play man well or
or the type of zones, the one high zones specifically
what's called cover three, three D four under that those
corners they have to have the coverage ability to be
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able to play that. So then do you feel you
feel good with Witherspoon and Rieke Willan Well? Certainly from
a talent standpoint, you do. Yeah, I think you can
play that coverage absolutely, But in that situation, if Witherspoon's
not the corner Witherspoon, as I've outlined, he's he's a
curl flat player in the underneath zone. So now who's
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your corners, Reek Wollen and Josh Job. So now that
that is Josh Job the pigeon that you're picking on,
right likely?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah? Absolutely? And then and then up front, I mean,
I guess the one thing I like the names upfront,
I like the production up front, but they haven't gotten
any younger. I mean, Leonard Williams is thirty, Jaronraid is
thirty two, de Marcus Lawrence is thirty three. Chennan Nuosu
is not old, but his body may be old because
of the injuries that he's gone through. Jonathan Hankins is
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what thirty three? Yes, he's thirty three years of age.
I mean really the young guys, what we're gonna need
is you're gonna need the backups to come in and
play a lot of snaps because these these starters are
getting older. So do we have confidence in Mike Morris,
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Derek Hall? I mean, I think we have confidence in
boy Mafe. He's shown to be a starter before he
can certainly back up Sheennan Woasu, Riley Mills, the fifth
round draft pick, I mean Tyreek Smith. I mean, do
we have confidence that there's that there's the depth in
that front four that we need in case, you know, A,
this guy just doesn't have it anymore or B he
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gets injured.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Well, I would say this for me as a Sea
Hawk fan, I have the coleague likes on John Snyder
on this question because you had, you know, the we
call him the three twos. You spent second round draft
picks on Darryl Taylor defensive end, Boy Mafy defensive end,
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and Derek Hall. Yep, you and that's a lot of
are getting it if you are getting nothing like Like
I'm not saying you have to bat a thousand, but
but if right now boy mafe would be considered the
the best of those three, the most productive of those three,
and he's merely at the median there's nothing special by
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when you compare him to other defensive ends. And we
talk about that the holy grail, the aircraft carrier quality
that can you can you win early in the down
against an offensive tackle. That's that's the most special, most
coveted skill on all of defensive football. You spent three
number twos to try and acquire that talent, and if
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you if you're not getting that, like right now, boy
Mafy is listed as a second stringer.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yes he is.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Derek Hall is listed as a second stringer, and Darryl
Taylor got traded away. So right now I don't want
to say zero for three because because there's still time
to recover, but uh that that is a source of
reasonable disappointment if you can't get more from though, from
that level of investment in draft picks, no question.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
About a great point. When we come back a little
fun with audio, Chuck Pal's going to join some four
o'clock talking Little marin or baseball and yes, our cheating
scandal bracket in honor of the Astros in the five
o'clock hour here on ninety three point three k JRFM,
It's now time for something in Dick's Fun with Audio.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Jimmy g pawn Star, Jimmy mister garoppolo.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Now let's have some fun with audio. Let let's have
some fun with audio, shall we. It's all about fun
on a sunny, near seventy degree Friday. Let's start it out. Hey, Hugh,
did you hear that? What's that? Dick TNT had an
alternate broadcast stream of the Florida Carolina NHL playoff game
last night. During the first period, Charles Barkley joined the
(29:28):
show and talked about his gambling behavior during the Toronto
Florida series that went seven games.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I thought, when they got back to Toronto for Game seven,
this is a lot. Well, and that's what I told
my bookie and I told Viz, game seven is a
lot for Toronto and to see them lose like that
it was demoralizing as a fan, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
It was demorilizing. You have a bookie, No, I don't.
I don't have a booket. Do you have a bookie?
I don't have a bruckey dollar.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
No, Hey, band bandol on the left? Me bet so much.
You gotta have a booty on the.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Bat Sure are you trying to get kicked out?
Speaker 5 (30:11):
You're trying to get kicked out of this stream like
Marshawn got kicked out of last game.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Oh god, he's just the best man. He does not
give two bleeps about anything he says on the air.
It's just he's so entertaining real consciousness.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
I mean, I went down a YouTube rabbit hole. Have
you ever done that? You know, like pulling all nighter,
stay up till five six in the morning, very very
transfixed with Muhammad Ali the boxer looked. Watched it every
one of his his fights, including the ones in the sixties,
(30:48):
you know, watch his interviews on Dick Kvit. And I mean,
because he's so intelligent, so colorful, so so unique, and
so in my opinion just this is all just you know,
personal opinion. I think Muhammad Ali is the number one athlete,
you know, most compelling listen of any athlete.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Okay, and hard to argue that.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
I I'm having a hard time thinking of something. Who
would nudge off Charles Barkley.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
For number two? Yeah, no, that's absolutely fair. I love
listening to him talking about just about anything. Hey, Hugh,
do you hear that? What's that?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Dick?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
The WNBA season started this past week, in the social
media discourse around Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese is already
at high level. On Bomani Jones podcast this week, the
former ESPN personality talking about Clark and Reese's rivalry and
the current discourse. I magic rather than Magic being on
the Lakers and Bird being on the Celtics. What if
(31:45):
Bird was on the Celtics and Magic was on the Sixers.
Speaker 7 (31:47):
We can't even handle Caitlin Clark at Angel Reese. This
isn't an era where we're supposed to be better than
we were back then. How can I follow the w
NBA without being all line? There's got to be away
because being on a line for the WNBA it makes me.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Want to drown myself.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
I hate all of you and the biggest reason I
can't stand online WNBA discourse. It's hardly ever about basketball.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
It's just for me. It's just a hard it's a
hard thing to process. I'm gonna I'm gonna ask Noel
Quinn later on tonight Jackson about this and whether it's
is this good for the league or bad for the
league when you have a massive influx of new fans
(32:44):
and yet not all of the discourse is about what
goes on on the court. Much of it is about
a rivalry or a individual player, or racism or what
have you. And I'll ask her about it. What do
you think? Is it good for the league?
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Yeah, I think it's good. I think it's a publicity.
I think that uh, you know, I think it's probably
a sad testimony. But you know, I think that the
bird Magic comparisons are apt.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
You know.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
I think I think a lot of white people look
at basketball and say that seems like a black man
sport and that for whatever real, whatever the reasons are,
it just seems like, uh, like blacks are better athletes
as a general rule, and certainly basketball is a sport
that showcases what apparently, you know, just like corners in
(33:37):
the NFL, like the numbers are the numbers. So what
the term what great White hope has been around a
long time, So what does that mean? And and and
does it exist? And if it does exist? Does it
exist here? My my inclination is yes. But then you've
got the additional like, I'm I'm not a w NBA fan.
I'm fine, fine with you know, I'm not trying to
(33:59):
tear it down. If that, if you're a fan of that,
and and and certainly you are, Dick, I think that's
wonderful fan how you want a fan, But I'm I
don't follow it, but I I can remember Angel Reese
walking around. I saw it on on on UH at
the end of the National Championship game. She's following around,
(34:20):
pulling up her ring finger, trying to get in the grill, shadowing.
When it was clear lis He's gonna be Iowa, she
put her ring finger up and and listen, I don't care,
black white, young, old male female. You could you could
say that, I'm I'm the as far detached as a
guy could be.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I don't care.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
I'm saying that is patently an egregiously unsportsmanlike. And if
you don't agree with that, show me one other example
of an athlete in the in the last few minutes
of a championship. Show me any other example of any
college or pro any athlete ever doing that. And so
to me, I was, and then they gave her Sportsman
(35:01):
of the Year and I just rolled my eyes. So
so my impression of her, my first impression Vangelis, was
not a good one.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
All right, fair enough? Well, you watch a little in
my game tonight on Ion. You turn it on at
seven o'clock.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You give me?
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Can you give me one more?
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Like?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Hey, you sound like you need an NBA team?
Speaker 5 (35:23):
All right, So I love your highlights, but you know,
and more power to I love the women in our
market eleast Woodwards. She's phenomenal, Angie Like I I I'm
not trying to fan anybody call. I consider them friends
and incredible pros and and hell a lot better at
me in the broadcasting arena. So but you know, but
(35:44):
I'm entitled to say it's not my back.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah, I hear you. Hey here, did you hear that?
What's that? Dick? Around the Horn aired its final show
ever today Back on Wednesday. Our friend and guest on
the show and noted Seattle sports fan, Mina Kins, appeared
on the show for her final time, and on her
final FaceTime at the end, Mina used her time to say.
Speaker 8 (36:04):
This, I just want to say something about Tony reality.
Everybody always talks about how kind Tony is and how
he cares about things bigger than sports. I want to
say something else. Tony is the biggest ball.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Knower I have ever met.
Speaker 8 (36:15):
His abilities to talk about literally every sport, whether it's
women's basketball, hockey, baseball, or the sport I cover football
is unparalleled and a testament to both his work and
his passion and intelligence.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Tony.
Speaker 8 (36:28):
I just want people to recognize that when they talk
about you. Also, the Mariners are winning the World Series?
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah her the last words of her on ESPN's around
her Horn, where the Mariners are winning the World Series.
How about that? Good on her?
Speaker 5 (36:47):
The local And I got to Chuck a Ballner ball
intelligent enough to know that whatever double entendre or just
kind of fun she was trying to have, she could
have chosen a different where she chose that. That's an
that's an inch. I'm not sure if somebody called me
a ball nor if I would, I would hold that
(37:08):
his a compliment. But get on her having some fun
with it.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
All right?
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Noted ballner Chuck Powell will join us Sex after atop
of the hour headlines on ninety three point three kJ
r FM,
Humill En joins us once again. Hey Huey, how are
you doing doing good? Doing good?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Man?
Speaker 1 (00:04):
And a lot to get to today, Chuckle join us
at four o'clock Chuck Pewell to talk a little marin
or baseball. We also have I'm gonna play mediator and
a little debate, a little NBA lottery debate with Chuck
and Hugh. I look forward to that. We also have
our Bracket Friday. Bracket Friday every Friday in the summertime,
we have some fun and what we try to do
(00:26):
is We've got all these these brackets. I've got a list,
I know Jackson's got a list like twenty long. I've
gotten fourteen. I got fifteen twenty brackets as well that
we could just pull out at any time that we
just over the course of the months, we just kind
of look at and say, oh, this would be a
fabulous bracket. But we don't really want it to be random.
We want to have some sort of current events tied
(00:49):
to the bracket that we do to make it sense. So,
since we're playing the Houston Astros, you're the one that
was the brainchild of this, Jackson, So why don't you
describe what we got going on.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Friday Loch driving on wind and I said to myself, Oh, shoot,
are we doing a bracket on Friday? Okay, like what's
topical right now? Mariner's playing the Astros. Well, I mean
we did a couple of weeks ago playing Toronto, So
who are the worst fan bases? So, basing off of
who we're playing, thought, who are the biggest cheaters of
this century? What are the biggest cheating scandals of the
last twenty five years? So we put our heads together
(01:21):
and I think we I kind of think it's a
pretty comprehensive. There might be some guys that you could
split in and end up being an eight seed, but
I think the eight we chose are pretty comprehensive for
the biggest sports cheating scandals of this century, this century,
meaning just the last twenty five minues.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It didn't take us long. I mean, we know, we
got through the first seven in like three minutes, and
then eight was kind of hard, so we you know,
we kind of dug a little bit. But Hugh, I'll
give you the list of the eight so you can
kind of mentally chew on it between now and five
because you're gonna be voting on it at five o'clock.
Our one eight matchup is a couple of cyclists, a
couple of cheating bastard cyclists. The number one seed, Lance
(02:01):
Armstrong and the number eight seed Floyd landis the four
to five the New England Patriots Region Spygate, the four
seed the flight Gate, the five seed in the four five.
The number three seed, who Ian just said in the
last segment he believes will make the final. They might.
(02:23):
The three seed cheating bastard Houston Astros and their trash
can bang in their jose l two of a buzzer
wearing selves. The sixth seed, Tim donnihey, the Tim donnahe
NBA officiating scandal that was absolutely huge And if you
haven't read the Sports Illustrated like long form, was that
(02:46):
air about that. I don't know if Wickersham wrote or not.
I read it on an airplane one time. Wow, it
took me forty five minutes to read it like it
was a book in a in an actual hard copy
of Sports Frustrated. But it is absolutely fascinating Tim donaghy
and the depths of issues that that dude had and
(03:07):
how deep he went into cheating the games. He officiated,
and then the two seed against the seven seed. The
Mitchell Report is the two seed with all the baseball steroids.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
We're we're encompassing all of this steroid scan exactly, not
just one individual person, because it was it was huge
against the seventh seed the Russian doping scandal that got
their entire nation booted out.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Of the twenty twenty four Olympics. So a lot of
good a lot of good things there. So we'll get
that at five o'clock, will let Hugh kind of chew
on that. You can give us your take on what
you think about that at four nine four or five one.
We'll do some textimonials at four forty five. But you know,
I heard a promo that we ran today and it
(03:51):
reminded me of a topic of conversation that we had
last week. And I don't believe we've had it with Hugh,
and if we had it, have its it's been it's
been very brief, and it's it's the promo for our show,
and Softie and Jackson and I are all railing against
the Seahawks over under win total at seven and a half,
and since then, the point spreads have actually come out
(04:15):
for those games. So first it was a win total
that came out at seven and a half, which we were, like,
we all thought was preposterous. And I'm considering just you know,
dumping the kids' education fund into the over on seven
and a half for the Seahawks. And then the point
spreads come out and the Seahawks are only favored by
(04:37):
more than one and a half in two games. They're
only favored total in seven games all season long, despite
the fact that they were at ten and seventeen last year,
despite the fact that I believe, I think he believes,
I know a lot of Seahawks believe that they are
better off at quarterback this year than last year, the
(05:00):
fact that their coach is no longer a rookie coach.
And we can talk to Hugh about the advantage it
is of having a second year head coach with a team,
particularly a team that's returning a good chunk of their
team and basically all of their team on his side
of the ball, the defensive side of the ball, We
can talk about that as well. And despite the fact
(05:22):
that the Seahawks have the third best net rest differential
of any team in the NFL, they have ten more
days rest than the opponents that they play. Lions are
the best with thirteen. Seahawks are the third best at ten.
The Raiders, by the way, are the worst with negative seventeen.
(05:42):
So that's a little hill that Pete Carroll has to climb.
And looking at some of these games and I'll just
kind of itemize them and then I want to get
your takes, you guys take on them. I just went
kind of game by game and I kind of I
found which games I just thought were odd, and I
found six of the seventeen that I was like, I
don't understand why this is? Why this makes sense? One?
(06:03):
Why are they underdogs at home in the opener to
San Francisco? Number two? Why are the underdogs in Arizona
on September twenty fifth, the place that has been a
weird place for the Seahawks, but they have home field
advantage when they go to Arizona? Number three? Why is
Tampa favored here at Lumen Field October fifth? Number four?
(06:27):
Why is Jacksonville favored over the Seattle Seahawks. They were
four and thirteen last year and the Seahawks have gone
to Jacksonville before, and it sounds like a Seahawks home
crowd when they do number five, This was actually one
in favor of Seattle. Why is Seattle favored against Houston
(06:47):
on Monday Night football? I don't think they should be
favored in that game. And six, why are they favored
by only a point and a half at home against
Minnesota who is starting JJ McCarthy at quarterback against their
former quarterback in Sam Darnold. So I know that's a
lot I just threw out at you, but I just
kind of wanted to just get it all out there. Hugh,
Let's start with you, like anything that I said there
(07:10):
that kind of peaked your interest Whichever direction you kind
of want to take this, either with the point spreads
that I mentioned or just the over under in general.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Well, I'm just responding off the cuff as your talkings
and and so my response as you're talking is that
given that Vegas has the belief that there would you say,
seven games seven seven games, then you would expect that
if you on a micro level, you you would find
(07:40):
some games that Vegas has to account for Seattle losing
or being you know, a narrow favorite in games where
you would think that they'd be a significant favorite. I
think it's really hard to tell. Now, things like you know,
for example, the Vikings the tape of McCarthy H J. J.
(08:03):
McCarthy in the preseason on the you know, as part
of the thirty third team and we had the uh
they all twenty two. You had, you know, a bunch
of you know, this brain trusted in there evaluating McCarthy,
and before he got hurt.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
He looked really, really really good.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Now is a very small you know, I don't even
know what is his stats would be, but it was
not much. But and I don't know if that's relevant,
but but he had some incredible plays.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
How would you compare him to what you saw from
bone Nicks? Is it? Was it similar to what you
saw from Bonis both of them? I would say in
the regular season last I.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Would say, you know, I think McCarthy maybe maybe Jackson
can look it up. I'm not prepared for this, but
how many how many UH past attempts did McCarthy have
in preseason? I would say that McCarthy on the aggregat
and he had an inn reception that wasn't his fault
(09:02):
I can remember, but I remember a play action over
route that he had the slot receiver going right to
left in zone coverage where McCarthy had to he had
to process this layering between zone defenders over the top
but in between windows, guy bearing down on him. He
knew he was going to take a huge hit. He
(09:23):
just stood in there and he just incredible play. Here's
your numbers.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Eleven of seventeen and eight yards, two touchdowns, one interception,
passer rating of one to seventeen.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
That's the only and that's for the entire.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, I only played one game in the preseason.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Yeah, well we studied that that preseason game, and he
looked really good and better than the numbers would like. Okay,
you can you can have those kind of numbers and
kind of check down and not really have any.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Do you remember if he was playing against starters, that
wouldn't matter.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
I think he was, Yeah, it would, but you know
nowadays starters can you know, they can play three plays,
but whether they were starters or not, a few of
the plays that I remember off hand, I can remember
just saying that's that's a big time play. That is whatever.
(10:14):
You know, PFF has a big time throw. That's a
big time throw. And then something. He had a couple
of those so so I think there was a feeling
and and you know, Minnesota doesn't matter, like it seems
like no matter who they they play, they just have
a way of getting good quarterback play. I mean, remember
who was the kid from the Rocket Scientist that oh gosh,
(10:39):
he comes from this there's literally a rocket scientist. He
played at Tennessee. Crap, I'm not ready for this.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
The guy got drafted in the fourth.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Round, yeah something and and but he but he came
in in like three days and he and he ended
up going like three and oh four and oh or
something out.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Of bald head. Josh, thank you.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Yeah, he's literally a rocket scientist. But but he came
in and and and played a couple of years back
and played really well from the jump. And it's like
whoever they put in their Kirk cousins obviously Sam Donald.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
You know, certain teams that get good go back play
and other teams that just cannot find good quarterbacks exactly, Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
And so.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Uh at an event, Yeah, that was very impressive by him.
And so I uh, I think that getting back to Seattle,
I think there's just a feeling a question about where
the offense is. Certainly they you know, Vegas has kind
of spoke they think that Gino Smith is better than
(11:47):
Sam Donald. They certainly do, you know, I think that
the absence of DK metcalf. They probably don't think that
Seattle's solved their offensive line woes with just the pick
of Gray's abel, and.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
May underestimate the Seahawks defense as well.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Well.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
And you know the defense, uh in the second half
of the year. Now, now, we had talked, remember a
year ago, we were saying, hang on, the Seahawks defense
might not be good the first half of the year. Yeah,
And and I can remember, you know, conversations where you're like, hey,
I'm not really seeing it.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I was getting worried. I mean, this was probably you know,
I don't know fifth game. It might have been after
the Giants game, because remember how pissed I was after
the Giants game. But I mean I remember after the
first month, six weeks of the seasons, I was like, Hugh,
what are you seeing here? I'm a little worried. This
guy's supposed to be the freaking guru. And you remember
my reply, yep, well it was it was basically patients
(12:44):
daniel Son right, Well, it was I said, look, I
can't predict what's going to happen with Mike McDonald and
the Seahawks, But I can look back at Mike McDonald
at Baltimore and in his first year.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
It was almost exactly for the first half of the season.
In fact, the Ravens were just incrementally worse than Seattle
was through the first half of the season, I said,
but then from that point on about midway, you know,
it took hold. And then for the Ravens in the
second half of the twenty twenty two season, the Ravens
(13:19):
were number one in the NFL fewest points allowed. And
so then you say that that could happen with se
I'm not saying the number one, but expecting a big improvement.
So for the second half of last year, now we're
in we're talking Seattle Seahawks twenty twenty four. If you
go if you just if you just go on any
(13:40):
normal website and say defensive points, they're gonna that are
points allowed. That's a team score. But remember Seattle had
Gino had to pick six. They gave up one hundred
something yard kickoff return, So that impacts most stats. But
when you filter for defensive points allowed, Okay, second half
(14:02):
of the season. Uh, the Seahawks were fourth. But there's
an asterisk if you take away the last JV game.
Where were they going into the JV game? They were second?
But if you now, I understand this is a little
bit of you know, cooking. But but if you just say, well,
(14:23):
one of those touchdowns was in the overtime game again
with the Rams. So if you if you say for
all teams quarters one, one, two, three, and four, so
just exclude overtime and say only points allowed by the defense.
The Seahawks were number one in the second half of
the season up up until that RAM game. And I
(14:45):
get that. You like, oh man, that's there. There's a
few conditions you're throwing in there. Even if you don't four,
I mean, you'll take fourth. What what did Baltimore do
the next year? His his second year, ye number triple crown,
number one, number one one in points allowed, number one
in most sacks, and number one in most turnovers. Wow,
(15:08):
and that's why he's the head coach of the Seattle Seahawks.
So again he had a two year and oh by
the way, at Michigan, he took the Wolverines from ninety
fourth in college football in scoring. The year before he
got there was like thirty four point and a decimal
point called thirty five points a game. He more than
(15:30):
halved it. He went from thirty fourth to I think,
or excuse me, ninety fourth I think seventh. They were
like seventeen points a game. So and that was in
one season at Michigan. That's what got him the job
back at Baltimore, where again he was at Baltimore twenty
(15:52):
two and twenty three. First half of twenty two, well,
team was well below average on all the important defensive stats,
well below the median. Second half of twenty twenty two
number one, all of twenty twenty three number one. So
what Mike McDonald did in twenty twenty four almost mirrored,
(16:15):
Like you could lay the performance right on top of
and say it was almost identical to year one in Baltimore. Now,
if it's going to carry out, then Seatt'll be number
one and win the Triple Crown. I'm not predicting that,
but what I'm saying is that they were even better.
So this dude, Mike McDonald, he can coach his ass off.
Got a few extra parts here. More of of the
(16:37):
draft was devoted to the offense. But you got amm
and Worrie and and and you know, a year under
the belt of some of the other important players. But
you know you can pick up a linebacker midway through
the season that was key. But an't Vegas may be
looking at the overall picture of the defense for the
(16:59):
entire year and not recognizing or more accurately, the people
were making decisions about the point spreads and whatnot. They
may think that the betting public is not looking at
that because they're just trying to.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Find a line.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Yeah, they're just trying to find where you know, they're
trying to have a fifty to fifty right on the bet.
So they may know, like, hey, in other words, Vegas
as an act, you know Vegas, Like well, who's Vegas.
The people that are making the decision about these point spreads,
they may say, look, we know, damn well, Seattle is
really on the incline with their defense, and we know,
(17:42):
damn well that Mike McDonald just duplicated what he did
in year one in Baltimore and that that the Seahawks
should be sitting on a great defensive year. We know
damn well there, but the clowns out in the public
don't know that, So let's set the line based on
how the clowns are going to vote. Like that Mays
may be their position could be.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
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Speaker 6 (18:15):
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Speaker 1 (18:36):
HU, I'm staring down the Seahawks defensive depth chart now
that we've kind of honed in our attention on the
Seahawks defense and the potential well the a the improvement,
not potential, the improvement that we saw from first half
a year one of Mike McDonald to second half of
year one and the potential continued improvement that we could
(18:58):
see to year two to hopefully get that triple crown
that he got in Baltimore in year two and he's
the defensive coordinator. And I remember asking you last year.
I don't exactly remember when it was, but I asked
you how many championship pieces that this defense had on it?
And I was actually surprised at your answer. I thought
(19:21):
it would be a lesser number than you actually gave me,
and it was. It was really just the linebackers that
you were concerned with, and that was prior to the
switching at linebacker and Ernest Jones coming in and solidifying that.
So I'm gonna ask you again. I mean, with Leonard Williams,
Byer Murphy, Jaren Reid, DeMarcus Lawrence up front, with Knight, Jones,
(19:47):
Nuo Sue and then your back end of You're right,
it's probably Josh Joe Bright at one corner and Riek
Wollen at the other, with Witherspoon and the Nickel and
Love and Kobe Bryant is the safeties. I mean, where
are we now? Not a lot of changes since we talked,
other than the linebacker corps of Knight and Jones, but
(20:09):
where are we now as far as championship level defenders?
And is this team? You know, it's one thing for
him to, you know, win the Triple Crown with Baltimore
a couple of years back. On defense, is this defense
talent wise stack up fairly favorably to that one.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Well, I think you look at what they did. They
led the NFL in sacks. Talking about Baltimore in twenty
twenty two. They had Kyle van Noy on one side,
who was I think about thirty two on his fifth team,
and you had Jadevian Clowney who had had kind of
made his circuit. And so in each of those cases,
I think the prior year they were under under five sacks,
(20:50):
you know, both of them. So normally you think of
defensive ends to use a baseball term, the aircraft carrier
in the middle of the lineup. Think a defensive end
that can rush like what you saw in the Super Bowl,
Josh Sweat the right end for the Eagles, going against
(21:10):
Joe Tooney who was their left guard, who know, damn
good left guard, but totally overmatched out at left tackle.
The Eagles didn't draft, did not blitz one time the
entire game, didn't have to. And so that if you
can win a defensive end who can win early in
the down, you don't have to do it with scheme.
Gussie things up. And by the way, McDonald's is very
(21:34):
good at those simulated pressures where a simulated pressure would
be it looks like a blitz, but you're dropping off
defenders so that you can still play zone with seven.
And so from scheme he's able to He was able
to get those sacks. But I think if there's one
area and I'm and I'm I'm certain I would have
(21:55):
discussed that in our prior discussions, that the conspicuous absence
of a real aircraft carrier defensive end with Now there's
some there's some questions I have because Okay, you you
draft nick em and worry his his strength is closer
to the line of scrimmage. So if if you're going
(22:16):
to do that, well, I mean, I think he has
the ability to, yes, But but I think that that
what you've had generally is the Seahawks when they play
more too high defense. So you going to what we've
seen in the past. You have Witherspoon, who's about two
(22:38):
thirds of the time he's been the nickel, he's been
the slot guy, which means you've had Witherspoon. Excuse me,
Rik Wollen and Uh and at the end of season,
Josh Job is your starting corners. I think Josh Job
could be described as a potential. I don't call him
a pigeon. That's what we in an NFL quarterback meeting room.
(22:58):
You're trying to find the pigeon. But pigeon spot right,
And yeah, he's trying to find a liability and and
so Josh Job could be that. I think the schematically
they've got some interesting uh decisions because mm and Worry
is better as a closer to the line of scrimmage
guy than he is a back end guy, just in
terms of his impact. So if he's closer to the lion scrimmage,
(23:21):
he's in. Now, does that mean he's the nickel and
you're you're popping Devin Wetherspoon out to corner? I could
see that, But then that's big nickel. And then can
em and Worry really can you play man and man
uh against the smaller wide receivers that may be in
(23:43):
the slot. You could have a nickel where you have
a single high defense. So let's say you've got Julian
Love playing the post safety playing essentially center field. Then
you've got two inside linebackers in the persons of Ernest
Jones and you know Tyree Knight for now, and then
(24:06):
you could have Witherspoon on one side, and you could
have em and Worry on the other. So both Witherspoon
and m and Worry would be what's called curl flat defenders.
They'd be the outside, the outermost of four inside defenders.
Kind of think of them as first and third basement
in a baseball infield, and Ernest Jones and Tyreek Knights
(24:27):
would be the source stop and second basement. You know,
if you're just kind of thinking an alignment wise, but
then that locks you into certain coverage. Hey hey, are
you of your corners? Can they play? You know, there's
more of a burden in those single high coverage because
the corners have to their first responsibility is to defend
the deep ball from the widest receivers. They have to
(24:50):
defend that widest receiver all the way to the back
of the end zone, even if you're on the opponent
opponent's one yard line. So because they don't have safety
help over the top, So the fact that that's their
priority leaves them susceptible to various stop routes and intermediate
routes in front of them, because they're mostly concerned about
(25:11):
the go ball. So it takes a more talented brand
of corner to be able to play man well or
or the type of zones, the one high zones specifically
what's called cover three, three D four under that those
corners they have to have the coverage ability to be
(25:33):
able to play that. So then do you feel you
feel good with Witherspoon and Rieke Willan Well? Certainly from
a talent standpoint, you do. Yeah, I think you can
play that coverage absolutely, But in that situation, if Witherspoon's
not the corner Witherspoon, as I've outlined, he's he's a
curl flat player in the underneath zone. So now who's
(25:55):
your corners, Reek Wollen and Josh Job. So now that
that is Josh Job the pigeon that you're picking on,
right likely?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah? Absolutely? And then and then up front, I mean,
I guess the one thing I like the names upfront,
I like the production up front, but they haven't gotten
any younger. I mean, Leonard Williams is thirty, Jaronraid is
thirty two, de Marcus Lawrence is thirty three. Chennan Nuosu
is not old, but his body may be old because
of the injuries that he's gone through. Jonathan Hankins is
(26:26):
what thirty three? Yes, he's thirty three years of age.
I mean really the young guys, what we're gonna need
is you're gonna need the backups to come in and
play a lot of snaps because these these starters are
getting older. So do we have confidence in Mike Morris,
(26:47):
Derek Hall? I mean, I think we have confidence in
boy Mafe. He's shown to be a starter before he
can certainly back up Sheennan Woasu, Riley Mills, the fifth
round draft pick, I mean Tyreek Smith. I mean, do
we have confidence that there's that there's the depth in
that front four that we need in case, you know, A,
this guy just doesn't have it anymore or B he
(27:09):
gets injured.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Well, I would say this for me as a Sea
Hawk fan, I have the coleague likes on John Snyder
on this question because you had, you know, the we
call him the three twos. You spent second round draft
picks on Darryl Taylor defensive end, Boy Mafy defensive end,
(27:32):
and Derek Hall. Yep, you and that's a lot of
are getting it if you are getting nothing like Like
I'm not saying you have to bat a thousand, but
but if right now boy mafe would be considered the
the best of those three, the most productive of those three,
and he's merely at the median there's nothing special by
(27:56):
when you compare him to other defensive ends. And we
talk about that the holy grail, the aircraft carrier quality
that can you can you win early in the down
against an offensive tackle. That's that's the most special, most
coveted skill on all of defensive football. You spent three
number twos to try and acquire that talent, and if
(28:19):
you if you're not getting that, like right now, boy
Mafy is listed as a second stringer.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yes he is.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Derek Hall is listed as a second stringer, and Darryl
Taylor got traded away. So right now I don't want
to say zero for three because because there's still time
to recover, but uh that that is a source of
reasonable disappointment if you can't get more from though, from
that level of investment in draft picks, no question.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
About a great point. When we come back a little
fun with audio, Chuck Pal's going to join some four
o'clock talking Little marin or baseball and yes, our cheating
scandal bracket in honor of the Astros in the five
o'clock hour here on ninety three point three k JRFM,
It's now time for something in Dick's Fun with Audio.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Jimmy g pawn Star, Jimmy mister garoppolo.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Now let's have some fun with audio. Let let's have
some fun with audio, shall we. It's all about fun
on a sunny, near seventy degree Friday. Let's start it out. Hey, Hugh,
did you hear that? What's that? Dick TNT had an
alternate broadcast stream of the Florida Carolina NHL playoff game
last night. During the first period, Charles Barkley joined the
(29:28):
show and talked about his gambling behavior during the Toronto
Florida series that went seven games.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I thought, when they got back to Toronto for Game seven,
this is a lot. Well, and that's what I told
my bookie and I told Viz, game seven is a
lot for Toronto and to see them lose like that
it was demoralizing as a fan, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
It was demorilizing. You have a bookie, No, I don't.
I don't have a booket. Do you have a bookie?
I don't have a bruckey dollar.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
No, Hey, band bandol on the left? Me bet so much.
You gotta have a booty on the.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Bat Sure are you trying to get kicked out?
Speaker 5 (30:11):
You're trying to get kicked out of this stream like
Marshawn got kicked out of last game.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Oh god, he's just the best man. He does not
give two bleeps about anything he says on the air.
It's just he's so entertaining real consciousness.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
I mean, I went down a YouTube rabbit hole. Have
you ever done that? You know, like pulling all nighter,
stay up till five six in the morning, very very
transfixed with Muhammad Ali the boxer looked. Watched it every
one of his his fights, including the ones in the sixties,
(30:48):
you know, watch his interviews on Dick Kvit. And I mean,
because he's so intelligent, so colorful, so so unique, and
so in my opinion just this is all just you know,
personal opinion. I think Muhammad Ali is the number one athlete,
you know, most compelling listen of any athlete.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Okay, and hard to argue that.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
I I'm having a hard time thinking of something. Who
would nudge off Charles Barkley.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
For number two? Yeah, no, that's absolutely fair. I love
listening to him talking about just about anything. Hey, Hugh,
do you hear that? What's that?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Dick?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
The WNBA season started this past week, in the social
media discourse around Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese is already
at high level. On Bomani Jones podcast this week, the
former ESPN personality talking about Clark and Reese's rivalry and
the current discourse. I magic rather than Magic being on
the Lakers and Bird being on the Celtics. What if
(31:45):
Bird was on the Celtics and Magic was on the Sixers.
Speaker 7 (31:47):
We can't even handle Caitlin Clark at Angel Reese. This
isn't an era where we're supposed to be better than
we were back then. How can I follow the w
NBA without being all line? There's got to be away
because being on a line for the WNBA it makes me.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Want to drown myself.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
I hate all of you and the biggest reason I
can't stand online WNBA discourse. It's hardly ever about basketball.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
It's just for me. It's just a hard it's a
hard thing to process. I'm gonna I'm gonna ask Noel
Quinn later on tonight Jackson about this and whether it's
is this good for the league or bad for the
league when you have a massive influx of new fans
(32:44):
and yet not all of the discourse is about what
goes on on the court. Much of it is about
a rivalry or a individual player, or racism or what
have you. And I'll ask her about it. What do
you think? Is it good for the league?
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Yeah, I think it's good. I think it's a publicity.
I think that uh, you know, I think it's probably
a sad testimony. But you know, I think that the
bird Magic comparisons are apt.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
You know.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
I think I think a lot of white people look
at basketball and say that seems like a black man
sport and that for whatever real, whatever the reasons are,
it just seems like, uh, like blacks are better athletes
as a general rule, and certainly basketball is a sport
that showcases what apparently, you know, just like corners in
(33:37):
the NFL, like the numbers are the numbers. So what
the term what great White hope has been around a
long time, So what does that mean? And and and
does it exist? And if it does exist? Does it
exist here? My my inclination is yes. But then you've
got the additional like, I'm I'm not a w NBA fan.
I'm fine, fine with you know, I'm not trying to
(33:59):
tear it down. If that, if you're a fan of that,
and and and certainly you are, Dick, I think that's
wonderful fan how you want a fan, But I'm I
don't follow it, but I I can remember Angel Reese
walking around. I saw it on on on UH at
the end of the National Championship game. She's following around,
(34:20):
pulling up her ring finger, trying to get in the grill, shadowing.
When it was clear lis He's gonna be Iowa, she
put her ring finger up and and listen, I don't care,
black white, young, old male female. You could you could
say that, I'm I'm the as far detached as a
guy could be.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I don't care.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
I'm saying that is patently an egregiously unsportsmanlike. And if
you don't agree with that, show me one other example
of an athlete in the in the last few minutes
of a championship. Show me any other example of any
college or pro any athlete ever doing that. And so
to me, I was, and then they gave her Sportsman
(35:01):
of the Year and I just rolled my eyes. So
so my impression of her, my first impression Vangelis, was
not a good one.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
All right, fair enough? Well, you watch a little in
my game tonight on Ion. You turn it on at
seven o'clock.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You give me?
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Can you give me one more?
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Like?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Hey, you sound like you need an NBA team?
Speaker 5 (35:23):
All right, So I love your highlights, but you know,
and more power to I love the women in our
market eleast Woodwards. She's phenomenal, Angie Like I I I'm
not trying to fan anybody call. I consider them friends
and incredible pros and and hell a lot better at
me in the broadcasting arena. So but you know, but
(35:44):
I'm entitled to say it's not my back.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah, I hear you. Hey here, did you hear that?
What's that? Dick? Around the Horn aired its final show
ever today Back on Wednesday. Our friend and guest on
the show and noted Seattle sports fan, Mina Kins, appeared
on the show for her final time, and on her
final FaceTime at the end, Mina used her time to say.
Speaker 8 (36:04):
This, I just want to say something about Tony reality.
Everybody always talks about how kind Tony is and how
he cares about things bigger than sports. I want to
say something else. Tony is the biggest ball.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Knower I have ever met.
Speaker 8 (36:15):
His abilities to talk about literally every sport, whether it's
women's basketball, hockey, baseball, or the sport I cover football
is unparalleled and a testament to both his work and
his passion and intelligence.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Tony.
Speaker 8 (36:28):
I just want people to recognize that when they talk
about you. Also, the Mariners are winning the World Series?
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah her the last words of her on ESPN's around
her Horn, where the Mariners are winning the World Series.
How about that? Good on her?
Speaker 5 (36:47):
The local And I got to Chuck a Ballner ball
intelligent enough to know that whatever double entendre or just
kind of fun she was trying to have, she could
have chosen a different where she chose that. That's an
that's an inch. I'm not sure if somebody called me
a ball nor if I would, I would hold that
(37:08):
his a compliment. But get on her having some fun
with it.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
All right?
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Noted ballner Chuck Powell will join us Sex after atop
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