May 23, 2025 • 29 mins
In the second hour, Dick Fain and Hugh Millen are joined by Chuck Powell to talk about the Mariners continued series against Astros plus debate if the NBA draft lottery is legit or fixed, then the guys react to Ryan Clark’s “apology” to Robert Griffin III and his wife.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
To the four o'clock hour Jackson.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We wanted to get someone that knew what the hell
they were talking about. When it came to the Seattle Marion,
are you going to make the joke? No, I'm not
going to make it because I'm not a jerk.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I'm a nice guy.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
We decided to call upon the franchise of the radio
station morning show host. He actually does know Chuck Powell. Yes,
I learn all my things, and I have been Chuck
welcome in. Due to a lot of early morning golf
tournaments this week, I have listened to a lot of
the I always listen to, like, you know, eight thirty
(00:40):
to ten's kind of wheelhouse for me. But I rarely
listen in the six o'clock hour because I am I
am usually unconscious in the sex o'clock hour.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Not this week.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I've heard a lot of Chuck and Buck and Ashley
this week, very.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Early in the morning. Welcome on. How you doing, man,
I'm good.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
That's our that's our magic time. Now you're finally getting
there with six o'clock, so you get the real a
material now that you're getting up early.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Y's exactly, that's exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Well. I do have a little PTSD for my days
on the Live at five show, So I try to
I try to stay asleep in the miner in the
early morning.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yes, I do, you know, Yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Talk to me about last night's game, in particular our
starting pitcher.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
What did you see from George Kirby? Was it? I mean,
if you look at the.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Box score, it's discouraging, But if you actually watch the game,
was it encouraging what you saw from George?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
It's kind of strange. I mean, we always get to
spring training and a lot of people, including ballplayers themselves,
it's too long, and then when somebody misses a chunk
of spring training and rehabs for a month, it takes
them a while to get going. So you know, usually
the ones that hit the ground running are the ones
that have gone through the routine that they're used to.
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So I'm not really surprised that he wasn't as sharp
as what we've used to seeing from George, But I
thought the stuff was electric. He and no way looked injured.
I think he's fully recovered. It was just a matter
of him, I think, maybe being a little juiced up.
And why wouldn't you be You're finally back in the rotation,
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and you're in Houston and you're taking on the rival,
and it felt like a bigger regular season game than normal.
So I think he got bit by that a little bit.
I'm not worried at all about the results. It looked
to me like George is plenty healthy, the stuff's plenty electric.
But for somebody that relies so much and is so
accustomed to being precise, his command was a little bit off.
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And I and I'm not going to be worried about
those results.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
When do we think that we'll get the George Kirby
back is going to take one more start to three
more starts and then and then can we expect the
same kind of you know, shaking off the rust with
Logan Gilbert and Bryce Miller. Of course those guys have
pitched this year and and George had not, But just
kind of where do you at what point juncture do
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you think will have the five expected starters up and healthy.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
It's really hard to project. I mean, obviously George had
an injury. He kind of felt like Bryce was precaution.
So maybe Bryce just you know, flows right back into
old Bryce and not the Bryce that we've seen so
far this season, and Logan had been on you know,
off to a tremendous start, so it's kind of hard
to predict. As I mentioned that just the start, it
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just feels more and more these days that these guys
need their routine and their regiment. I mean, Baltimore Orioles
have a player named Gunner Henderson who's just one of
the best players in the game. But he got injured
right toward the end of spring training and he's still
not going. I mean, he's still not Gunner Henderson because
he missed the end of spring training. He missed a month.
It probably rushed back a little bit, uh, and he's
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still not uncorked his unbelievable ability. So I mean, it's
it's I mean, Troy Kaylor there's another example. It's kind
of felt like his spring training got disrupted and he
doesn't look like the same picture that he was a
year ago, even though the velocity is back. So I
don't know, I think it just differs from pitcher to pitcher.
But maybe we shouldn't have had some expectation that George
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was gonna mow down the Astros last night. I would
imagine a couple starts and then I think that maybe
you're settled in and you've got that feel, that touchback
that is required. Let's face it, of pictures, it's such
a fine line between on and off as a major
league pitcher. So you know, certainly willing to give him
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a couple of starts to get back to being old George,
and I would expect that we're going to say a
better version of Bryce when he comes back, and Logan,
I think I'm hoping that he picks up where he
left off. The bottom line is, we got to get
these five starters healthy because I do think they are
what will ultimately carry the Mariners to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
It's so hard for me to to quantify how big
these series are in May. I mean, yeah, you look
at it. Four game series at Houston. Oh man, if
you were to win three of four, you're gonna be
four and a half games up. If you lose three
of four, you're gonna be a half game up. If
you get swept, you're gonna be behind. So I understand
all that, and yet I go back to last year
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and I'm like, Okay, we beat them two out of
three in Houston in May. Then we beat them two
out of three at home in May. You got a
ten game lead and still lost it. So I mean,
how big is this series in your mind?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah, funny, we really haven't. Mariners haven't really had an
ASTROS problem here in the last couple of years. They've
done really well against them. But it's one hundred and
sixty two games. And I know people get sick at
least when we say it's a long season. But it's
a long season, and so it's whoever over the course
of one hundred and sixty two games shakes out as
the best team. It's hard to tell within a series
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or even a month. You need all six months, you
need all one hundred and sixty two games. That's the
way it's built to determine, you know, who's better than
who during the course of a season. So I don't
think Mariners have an ASTROS problem, but certainly it feels
this year with them being down a Kyle Tucker and
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them being down on Alex Bregman and even your Don
Alvarez right now, who's still on the roster but not
available to them. This team in Houston looks as vulnerable
as any that we've seen here in the last decade,
and even though I don't think the Mariners have an
astro's problem necessarily, you will wonder at the end of
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this year, like, if you don't get the job done,
if you don't snatch the crown off their head this year,
are you going to do it? Because although Houston's not rebuilding,
they are admittedly taking a step back this year so
that they can take a couple steps forward into the future.
So I mean, individually, is this series huge? No? I mean,
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you can lose all four and you still got plenty
of time to make up for it. But I do
believe that if you want to snatch the crown rather
than steal the crown, you you have an opportunity here
this weekend in Houston. You know your picture is getting
healthy to say this division is ours, and maybe that
does set the tone for the rest of the Pennant race.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Chuck Powell with us and and Chuck, I find it
noteworthy that although you're a host, of course on our
morning show, you have you're a host that carries the
weight of an analyst, as evidence by Softy and Dick
bringing you on with regularity in the UH in the
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position of an analyst because you're acknowledged to study to
study the game that much. What's the fools they are? Yeah,
yeah we are, but yeah, but but in that light,
you've been, uh, possibly the most supportive guy in the station,
in the market. You've been you know, you've been outspoken.
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Is like, hey, I've analyzed the system, the the plan
for Depoto and and so you've been you know, you've
kind of painted yourself as as a guy who has
supported the plan. Uh, and you've outlined what the plan
is in great detail. Uh, what is there a point
where you, you know, feel vindicated that you know that
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this is working, that you know clearly the you know,
we don't know what's gonna happen for twenty twenty five.
But but the way it's it's kind of playing out.
How how how do you feel? Do you feel like, oh, hey,
we got a lot more water under uh, you know,
to to to row through on this or or kind
of where are you give us an update of where
you are about the plan and your position about the plan.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Well, I do believe in the plan. I think it's
already decided. I think the rebuild worked. It was time
to do the rebuild. You were getting older and you
were getting further away from being championship Calum So, I
think they picked the right time to do a rebuild,
And then I think the rebuild was successful. You drafted well,
you assembled one of the great young pitching stats we've
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ever seen in Major League Baseball, at least starting rotations,
and you found a couple of the offensive foundational pieces
to build around in Julio Rodriguez and cal Raley. So
I think that conversation is over. I think the rebuild worked.
They put together a foundation for a champion. But I
also thought what went hand in hand with that was
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when they were playoff ready, that they were going to
be more financially aggressive, or at least more trade aggressive
toward finishing off the product. And in the last couple
of years we have not seen evidence of that. They
have not been aggressive when it comes to trying to
take this from a championship foundation to a championship team,
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and the off season, same thing happened. And so I
went into this year feeling like eighty six wins and
that could still end up winning the division. For you,
I was in that eighty six to eighty eight range
for what I thought this team on paper was capable
of but Texas was coming off a rough year and
Houston was going to take a step back, So I
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think eighty six to eighty eight could have won you
of the division, certainly gets you into the playoffs. I
will say I've adjusted the win total a little bit
only because I think this hitting approach is going to
steal a couple more wins for you than what we
saw the last couple of years. I do believe Kevin
Sykezer and Edgar Martinez, what they brought to the table
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is worth at least a couple more victories, And until
I saw it applied, I wasn't going to believe it.
But I do believe it. And I don't think we're
going to go from offensive futility to remaining in the
top five and runs scored like we were a couple
of years ago. I still think pitching's got to get
us there, but I don't think that this team, with
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its approach, is going to have the awful off four
months stretch of offense that we've seen the last couple
of seasons. So I feel good about this team, and
I've always felt good about the foundation. I mean, so
I've just been urging them to let's finish this thing off.
Where are those aggressive we're a champion moves that they
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haven't made. Maybe this year they will. Jerry's already talking
about the deadline, so he's already thinking about it. So
maybe this is the year they apply those championship moves,
those finishing moves, you know, Jimmy's superplas snook off the DDT.
We need a finishing move to round this team out
and make them a champion, because on paper they're not.
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Right now, they would just have to rely on a
starting rotation that got hot in October.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Chuck Powell joining us, we want to talk baseball with you.
We also want to talk a little NBA with you.
We thought it'd be a good idea to have you
know what they call him, you know, Jackson and a
soccer friends call a friendly, right, it's a match, but
it's a friendly. You know, it doesn't really mean all
that much, a little grand scheme of things in the standings.
And you've made your feelings known a couple different times
on the Morning Show about the NBA Draft lottery and
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your opinion that it's it's fixed, and Hugh obviously has
the opposite take. So I thought it would be a
great time to have a little friendly debate on it.
So you know, I've been pulled in the discourse as
kind of a mediator.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
So for those that haven't.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Heard your morning show, give us a little little take
on how you think the NBA lottery is fixed and why.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Well, I've always sort of done this topic kind of
tongue in cheek, but man, the tongue is out of
the cheek. I don't have any way of proving that
the NBA Lottery is rigged, but I've never been more
convinced that it is. And I think all you got
to do is follow the balancing ball. I mean every
and people think that it's rigged to try to favor
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big market clubs. No, it's to save floundering clubs more
than anything, to keep the competitive balance or to you know,
pay off a favor is what it feels like. But
you can kind of go through history. It started with
the frozen envelope. But don't forget nineteen ninety seven San
Antonio Spurs were going to move their franchise. David Stern
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had never lost one before, and lo and behold, Tim
Duncan with I get one percent chance? Is the number
one pick in that draft. I mean Lebron alone going
to Cleveland. Sure Cleveland had a high chance twenty two
point five percent chance, but there was a seventy seven
point five percent chance he wasn't going to go number one,
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and yet he gets there at the number one selection.
For this story book, he's staying in Ohio to Dave
the Cavaliers. Then when the decision happened in twenty ten,
and he left, and it looked like Cleveland was floundering,
and what are they going to do? Now? What happens?
They get even though they only had a two percent
chance of getting the pick. They get Kyrie Irving in
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twenty eleven. Then they get twenty fourteen as well. When
Lebron going back to Cleveland, then he goes to Los
Angeles and they and they say, well, boy, Anthony Davis
would be a great fit. Magically, the Lakers get Anthony
Davis in a trade and everybody says New Orleans didn't
get enough in return to that trade. And so what
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happens with a six percent chance that year? The Pelicans
get the number one pick and a new franchise face
and Zion Williamson to build around. I mean There was
even a year in which Anthony Davis was involved the
Charlotte Hornets, not the New Orleans Pelicans. The Charlotte Hornets
were owned by the NBA, and they got the lottery
pick because the NBA wanted to drive up the value
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of the franchise. So there's no way of proving it.
I've got thirteen other examples here, but I know we
got to get the counterpoint. So there's no way of
proving it. But man, you follow this bouncing ball and
it looks as suspicious as anything in our beloved world
of sports, and this year's is the most suspicious of
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them all.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Jackson, maybe we need to add it to our scandal
bracket of the Yeah. Good, But I know you, Hugh,
I know there are a lot of people out there
listening to Chuck palgoing.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
He's right, he's right, he's right. Tell me why he's
not right?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Okay, So I want to ask one question, Chuck, who
knows when we're talking about execute how many people? Is
so this is the year that that is the most
egregious example. Tell me who knows who's in on it?
Is Adam Silver in on it?
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Yes? Is?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Uh? Does the owner of the Mavericks know about it.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Uh. I don't think it's a direct this is what
we're gonna do. We've got a handshake agreement. I think
there is a almost like a mafia, like I'll take
care of you, stand on me, that that sort of
thing does take place, and I think they're all in
on it. I think that there's somebody in every organization
knows this is how it works.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
So you think, so you think every there's at least
one person in every organization that knows that the NBA
lottery is fixed.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I think all owners do.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah, all owners. Okay, so let's let's first talk about
the consequences and the risk. What you're talking about, the
NBA is a twelve billion dollar business enterprise that crosses
interstate lines. So if any credible evidence emerged that there
was a fixed lottery, that Feds would come in and
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the perpetrators. Let's start with Adam Silver, who makes ten
million dollars a year, he would be subject to federal
fraud charges, conspiracy to commit fraud, racketeering because there's a
gambling component of this. So now you've got RICO laws
what's called honest services fraud, which sounds benign. But there
have been executives that have gone have have had twenty
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five year sentences on this. So you're talking You've got
a team of valuation of one hundred and thirty eight
billion dollars combined, So all these owners are going to
risk going to prison. Look at the like the literally
scores of executives that have had twenty five years or
more for fraud. You're talking about Adam Silver going down
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with shueless Joe Jackson as a perpetrator of the all
time fraud, and they'll talk about him in a hundred years.
Those any owners who don't know about it, there they
can have a breach of contract because they're damaged. We're
talking about blackmail, extortion. We're talking about class action lawsuits
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by fans. We're talking about sponsors leaving and a complete
crumbling of the credibility. You're talking about in ernstin Young,
who audits the process, made fifty two billion dollars last
year at the entire nf NBA made twelve billions, so
almost four and a half times, So ernstin Young, they're
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going to be completely unreliable as an auditor in the
future and completely disavowed their shareholders. So we're talking about
the consequences and risk is enormous. I could keep going
the execution. Who knows there's a chain of custody of
the ping pong balls? The fourteen media members watch the
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ping pong balls, and so I would just like to
know who's in on it. The is a ping pong
ball guy? Is it the same guy? And in forty
one lotteries, we don't have one smoking gun, not one
single email, not one single text, not one single recorded conversation,
because after all, we all have recorders in our phone,
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in our pocket, in our phone. There has never emerged
one single smoking gun in forty one years. Statistical aberrations occur.
I could go on in that, but let's just talk
about a few of the things. In nineteen ninety two,
shack I heard this as evidence. Well, David Stern asked him,
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you want to go cold weather or warm weather? Well,
the team that had the number one odds that year
was Minnesota. The team that had the number two odds
was Orlando. It's small talk. It's just do you want
to be in cold weather or warm weather? Nothing? And
he went to Orlando, went to the number two team,
and so but the question that had been asked is
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a perfectly legitimate question that the commissioner would just be
knowing the two teams that are most likely to get it.
So was Shaq ever asked? Well, did the commissioner say,
we'll see that it's done after the lottery? Did was
ever a wink or some acknowledgment? In two thousand, if
the NBA is so concerned about a geographic placement with
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Lebron other than Derreck Rose, we got forty one other
lotteries Shack. Shack went to high school in Texas that
year Dallas had the number three? Why not put Shaq
in Dallas, a much bigger market?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
To all I want, I want Chuck to be able
to respond real quick.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
And I understand I'm almost done. So Kyrie, So the
Kyrie you mentioned the Kyrie Irvin Cleveland pick they had,
they had the a nineteen point nine percent. They didn't
get it with the Cleveland pick. They got it with
the Clippers pick that had a two point eight percent.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
If you want to.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Send the number one pick to Cleveland, why not? Why
not orchestrate the lottery so that the Cavaliers get the
pick who had a twenty percent as opposed to the Clippers,
who had less than a three percent. What Wemby, Why
on earth would you send Wemby the best prospects since Lebron?
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Oh, I'll get you. I want to answer, all right,
because San Antonio had a French infrastructure. They have Tony
Parker there. They have four or five employees that that
live that are our French origin. There was a relationship
between Greg Popovich and Victor wen Minyama. Victor wemb ben
Yama chose where he wanted to go and they made
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sure it happened. That's my belief. Again, I don't have
any evidence. I said that right off the bat.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Last day, last Nay.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
We can pick the six or eight that looked suspicious.
We can look at others that I mean, you can
find the point. Chuck, you were saying, Wait, you were
saying that the Jazz were going to get the pick,
and that's going to prove that the fix was in.
And then when the start.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Out, that was que predicting that the Jazz would get
to pick. I didn't think they were going to prove it.
I said, Okay, the Dallas situation looked even worse that
you know that Dallas situation looks worse than Utah. I
didn't think did you be that brazen as to trade
Luca to Lebron so that they got the future Laker
face through Los Angeles? And then they gave to Dallas
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a pick that year with a one point eight percent chance.
I mean, come on, I mean house is that's the
most suspicious one in the history of the league.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah, but you don't how you talk, and that foolish
to think they could fool us. So we got two
teams that point to the fixed lottery. What about all
the consequences, the risk of forty one years? Not one whistle, gentlemen.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Gentlemen, we're now bringing up points we've already made. We
gotta go to break. I'm sorry, I'm on the producer.
I'm just good say sorry.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Boys.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
We got thirteen minutes of this, so we got plenty,
plenty of time, and we do have to go to break.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I think there's a lot of people that agree with you.
There's a lot of people that agree with Chuck.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
And we probably won't ever ever know by what will
I be on the shadow of a doubt?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Who is right?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Four twenty five on ninety three point three, Chuck, we
appreciate it, my friend. Have a great holiday weekend.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
All right, man, it's rough, Jock Man, hell love you body.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Suck to you. I'll be back after this.
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Speaker 2 (23:04):
All Right, fun debate Chuck Powell and Hugh Millen. I'm
just sitting back listening to it all, just taking it
all in. I will say, just from my perspective, We're
not going to get into debate right now. We don't
have time. We're not going to get into the debate
right now. We have we've heard enough of it. I
will just say that for this to be a conspirat
if an actual conspiracy, every owner would have to know
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about it, and every owner would have to be okay
with it because not every owner would benefit from it.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I second thought, I do not believe.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It's a conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I will say that I do not believe that the
that the lottery is is rig But Hugh, we've got.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Some I do want to thank Chuck because he's a
he's a friend. Uh, he's a very talented guy. He's
a colleague. I do a show with him on Mondays
in the season. So, uh, the the intent was that
to be friendly, spirited, but friendly but mad respect to Chuck.
You know, we've broken bread many times, We've broken beer
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many times, and so you know, I hope that the
tenor of that came off. If it didn't, then then
that was my fault. I'll take responsibility. I mean, friends
can around sitting around a bar with a pitcher, beer
can get heated at each other if if if one
disagrees on a deal, And in my mind that was
the context of that.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Absolutely, and Hugh, that was not heated. But this was heated,
and we talked about it earlier.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
This week.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
We've got new audio, Hugh from the Robert Griffin the
Third Ryan Clark controversy. Now that those don't know, Robert
Griffin the Third took a strong stance on the rivalry
between Angel Rees and Caitlin Clark. He said that Angel
Rees hated Caitlin Clark, to which Ryan Clark on his
podcast weighed in and said, not only did the former
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Steelers safety accuse the former Redskins teammate, his former Redskins
teammate of you know, putting in stereotypes. He even cited
Griffin's multiple marriages to white women as evidence that he
doesn't understand what black women like Reese have to endure daily.
Robert Griffin the Third obviously was very offended that his
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wife was brought into the situation, put it out on
social media, talked about it, and now Ryan Clark.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I have not heard this yet, Jackson.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Let me just say, Ryan Clark backtracking apologizing, what are
we hearing here?
Speaker 5 (25:30):
I will set this audio up as Ryan Clark attempting
an apology.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Okay, okay, here you let's see if it's an apology
or not.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
Obviously, the talk of the week has been the back
and forth between myself and RG three. All of it
started over an Angel Reese's take that he felt was
a sports take that.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I didn't feel that way about. I took a take.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
That was personal to another person and made it personal
to myself, and I should have done that. I shouldn't
have brought his wife into an equation, even though in
my mind before speaking about her, I processed as much
as I possibly could to speak of her in a
way that was positive, trying to make sure it only
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illustrated a point about the way that he approached Andrew reees,
I probably missed the mark. I have a lot of
experience with RG three already, things that have developed over
our experiences together, over some things that he said to me,
done to me, probably some things I've said to him.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
They played a part in how.
Speaker 7 (26:37):
I felt, which ended up being an attack on him,
he felt, or at least he said, an attack on
his family, and that was never the case or never
the intent of mind.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
So we find out that there was in fact history
there which there had to have been christ Like, how
could like, why if you didn't have history with this dude,
why would you have ever gone down the that rook?
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Guys, Yes, guys, he only talked about RG three's wife
after he really did long research and thought of that
talk about.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
It you, I mean, let's let's dig yourself a hole
and bury yourself like I don't think he did any self,
did himself any favors, basically saying I process this, I
went through the process in my brain of bringing his
wife into this conversation and.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Then did it anyway. I mean, that's even worse in
my opinion.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah, and and he thought it was a positive, which
is a BS. Look I tell my kids. I told
my kids years ago, I said, look, if you're ever
in your life moved to apologize, don't give a BS apology.
A BS apology is I'm sorry if I offended you,
because you know what that is, that's me gas lighting
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you that you're actually a little too sensitive like how
you interpreted it.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I didn't do anything wrong, but your reactions part of
what Clark.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Said that, Yeah, I'm sorry if I offended you. That's
a b IF. If that's how you're gonna apologize, don't
apologize at all, because what's that's a manipulation saying you're
really the one at fault. That's called gaslighting.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
A real apology is, look, I'm sorry for what I
said or did, and you are right to feel fill
in the blank stung offended? Uh what have and and
so I was wrong, end of story, No excuses. I
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need to be better. I hope you expect accept my apology,
and I will try and I will work to be
better in the future. Period and and and so I
tell my kid, don't ever freaking give a BS apology
and I feel like that was a BS apology about it,
and I would like to actually, you know, and then
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ate the words BS, because like like look for for
him to try and say that his wife would not
be offended by that. Oh, I mean just clueless.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
You listen, Robert Griffin the third you say you feel
that your wife was attacked. But listen, I processed this
and I was just saying something positive.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
If I'm r G three, now, I just just let
it positive.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Just let it lie now, let Ryan Clark's words just
hang out there and we can just realize how ridiculous
they were
To the four o'clock hour Jackson.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We wanted to get someone that knew what the hell
they were talking about. When it came to the Seattle Marion,
are you going to make the joke? No, I'm not
going to make it because I'm not a jerk.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I'm a nice guy.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
We decided to call upon the franchise of the radio
station morning show host. He actually does know Chuck Powell. Yes,
I learn all my things, and I have been Chuck
welcome in. Due to a lot of early morning golf
tournaments this week, I have listened to a lot of
the I always listen to, like, you know, eight thirty
(00:40):
to ten's kind of wheelhouse for me. But I rarely
listen in the six o'clock hour because I am I
am usually unconscious in the sex o'clock hour.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Not this week.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I've heard a lot of Chuck and Buck and Ashley
this week, very.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Early in the morning. Welcome on. How you doing, man,
I'm good.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
That's our that's our magic time. Now you're finally getting
there with six o'clock, so you get the real a
material now that you're getting up early.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Y's exactly, that's exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Well. I do have a little PTSD for my days
on the Live at five show, So I try to
I try to stay asleep in the miner in the
early morning.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yes, I do, you know, Yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Talk to me about last night's game, in particular our
starting pitcher.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
What did you see from George Kirby? Was it? I mean,
if you look at the.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Box score, it's discouraging, But if you actually watch the game,
was it encouraging what you saw from George?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
It's kind of strange. I mean, we always get to
spring training and a lot of people, including ballplayers themselves,
it's too long, and then when somebody misses a chunk
of spring training and rehabs for a month, it takes
them a while to get going. So you know, usually
the ones that hit the ground running are the ones
that have gone through the routine that they're used to.
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So I'm not really surprised that he wasn't as sharp
as what we've used to seeing from George, But I
thought the stuff was electric. He and no way looked injured.
I think he's fully recovered. It was just a matter
of him, I think, maybe being a little juiced up.
And why wouldn't you be You're finally back in the rotation,
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and you're in Houston and you're taking on the rival,
and it felt like a bigger regular season game than normal.
So I think he got bit by that a little bit.
I'm not worried at all about the results. It looked
to me like George is plenty healthy, the stuff's plenty electric.
But for somebody that relies so much and is so
accustomed to being precise, his command was a little bit off.
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And I and I'm not going to be worried about
those results.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
When do we think that we'll get the George Kirby
back is going to take one more start to three
more starts and then and then can we expect the
same kind of you know, shaking off the rust with
Logan Gilbert and Bryce Miller. Of course those guys have
pitched this year and and George had not, But just
kind of where do you at what point juncture do
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you think will have the five expected starters up and healthy.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
It's really hard to project. I mean, obviously George had
an injury. He kind of felt like Bryce was precaution.
So maybe Bryce just you know, flows right back into
old Bryce and not the Bryce that we've seen so
far this season, and Logan had been on you know,
off to a tremendous start, so it's kind of hard
to predict. As I mentioned that just the start, it
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just feels more and more these days that these guys
need their routine and their regiment. I mean, Baltimore Orioles
have a player named Gunner Henderson who's just one of
the best players in the game. But he got injured
right toward the end of spring training and he's still
not going. I mean, he's still not Gunner Henderson because
he missed the end of spring training. He missed a month.
It probably rushed back a little bit, uh, and he's
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still not uncorked his unbelievable ability. So I mean, it's
it's I mean, Troy Kaylor there's another example. It's kind
of felt like his spring training got disrupted and he
doesn't look like the same picture that he was a
year ago, even though the velocity is back. So I
don't know, I think it just differs from pitcher to pitcher.
But maybe we shouldn't have had some expectation that George
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was gonna mow down the Astros last night. I would
imagine a couple starts and then I think that maybe
you're settled in and you've got that feel, that touchback
that is required. Let's face it, of pictures, it's such
a fine line between on and off as a major
league pitcher. So you know, certainly willing to give him
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a couple of starts to get back to being old George,
and I would expect that we're going to say a
better version of Bryce when he comes back, and Logan,
I think I'm hoping that he picks up where he
left off. The bottom line is, we got to get
these five starters healthy because I do think they are
what will ultimately carry the Mariners to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
It's so hard for me to to quantify how big
these series are in May. I mean, yeah, you look
at it. Four game series at Houston. Oh man, if
you were to win three of four, you're gonna be
four and a half games up. If you lose three
of four, you're gonna be a half game up. If
you get swept, you're gonna be behind. So I understand
all that, and yet I go back to last year
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and I'm like, Okay, we beat them two out of
three in Houston in May. Then we beat them two
out of three at home in May. You got a
ten game lead and still lost it. So I mean,
how big is this series in your mind?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah, funny, we really haven't. Mariners haven't really had an
ASTROS problem here in the last couple of years. They've
done really well against them. But it's one hundred and
sixty two games. And I know people get sick at
least when we say it's a long season. But it's
a long season, and so it's whoever over the course
of one hundred and sixty two games shakes out as
the best team. It's hard to tell within a series
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or even a month. You need all six months, you
need all one hundred and sixty two games. That's the
way it's built to determine, you know, who's better than
who during the course of a season. So I don't
think Mariners have an ASTROS problem, but certainly it feels
this year with them being down a Kyle Tucker and
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them being down on Alex Bregman and even your Don
Alvarez right now, who's still on the roster but not
available to them. This team in Houston looks as vulnerable
as any that we've seen here in the last decade,
and even though I don't think the Mariners have an
astro's problem necessarily, you will wonder at the end of
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this year, like, if you don't get the job done,
if you don't snatch the crown off their head this year,
are you going to do it? Because although Houston's not rebuilding,
they are admittedly taking a step back this year so
that they can take a couple steps forward into the future.
So I mean, individually, is this series huge? No? I mean,
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you can lose all four and you still got plenty
of time to make up for it. But I do
believe that if you want to snatch the crown rather
than steal the crown, you you have an opportunity here
this weekend in Houston. You know your picture is getting
healthy to say this division is ours, and maybe that
does set the tone for the rest of the Pennant race.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Chuck Powell with us and and Chuck, I find it
noteworthy that although you're a host, of course on our
morning show, you have you're a host that carries the
weight of an analyst, as evidence by Softy and Dick
bringing you on with regularity in the UH in the
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position of an analyst because you're acknowledged to study to
study the game that much. What's the fools they are? Yeah,
yeah we are, but yeah, but but in that light,
you've been, uh, possibly the most supportive guy in the station,
in the market. You've been you know, you've been outspoken.
(08:03):
Is like, hey, I've analyzed the system, the the plan
for Depoto and and so you've been you know, you've
kind of painted yourself as as a guy who has
supported the plan. Uh, and you've outlined what the plan
is in great detail. Uh, what is there a point
where you, you know, feel vindicated that you know that
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this is working, that you know clearly the you know,
we don't know what's gonna happen for twenty twenty five.
But but the way it's it's kind of playing out.
How how how do you feel? Do you feel like, oh, hey,
we got a lot more water under uh, you know,
to to to row through on this or or kind
of where are you give us an update of where
you are about the plan and your position about the plan.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Well, I do believe in the plan. I think it's
already decided. I think the rebuild worked. It was time
to do the rebuild. You were getting older and you
were getting further away from being championship Calum So, I
think they picked the right time to do a rebuild,
And then I think the rebuild was successful. You drafted well,
you assembled one of the great young pitching stats we've
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ever seen in Major League Baseball, at least starting rotations,
and you found a couple of the offensive foundational pieces
to build around in Julio Rodriguez and cal Raley. So
I think that conversation is over. I think the rebuild worked.
They put together a foundation for a champion. But I
also thought what went hand in hand with that was
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when they were playoff ready, that they were going to
be more financially aggressive, or at least more trade aggressive
toward finishing off the product. And in the last couple
of years we have not seen evidence of that. They
have not been aggressive when it comes to trying to
take this from a championship foundation to a championship team,
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and the off season, same thing happened. And so I
went into this year feeling like eighty six wins and
that could still end up winning the division. For you,
I was in that eighty six to eighty eight range
for what I thought this team on paper was capable
of but Texas was coming off a rough year and
Houston was going to take a step back, So I
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think eighty six to eighty eight could have won you
of the division, certainly gets you into the playoffs. I
will say I've adjusted the win total a little bit
only because I think this hitting approach is going to
steal a couple more wins for you than what we
saw the last couple of years. I do believe Kevin
Sykezer and Edgar Martinez, what they brought to the table
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is worth at least a couple more victories, And until
I saw it applied, I wasn't going to believe it.
But I do believe it. And I don't think we're
going to go from offensive futility to remaining in the
top five and runs scored like we were a couple
of years ago. I still think pitching's got to get
us there, but I don't think that this team, with
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its approach, is going to have the awful off four
months stretch of offense that we've seen the last couple
of seasons. So I feel good about this team, and
I've always felt good about the foundation. I mean, so
I've just been urging them to let's finish this thing off.
Where are those aggressive we're a champion moves that they
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haven't made. Maybe this year they will. Jerry's already talking
about the deadline, so he's already thinking about it. So
maybe this is the year they apply those championship moves,
those finishing moves, you know, Jimmy's superplas snook off the DDT.
We need a finishing move to round this team out
and make them a champion, because on paper they're not.
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Right now, they would just have to rely on a
starting rotation that got hot in October.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Chuck Powell joining us, we want to talk baseball with you.
We also want to talk a little NBA with you.
We thought it'd be a good idea to have you
know what they call him, you know, Jackson and a
soccer friends call a friendly, right, it's a match, but
it's a friendly. You know, it doesn't really mean all
that much, a little grand scheme of things in the standings.
And you've made your feelings known a couple different times
on the Morning Show about the NBA Draft lottery and
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your opinion that it's it's fixed, and Hugh obviously has
the opposite take. So I thought it would be a
great time to have a little friendly debate on it.
So you know, I've been pulled in the discourse as
kind of a mediator.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
So for those that haven't.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Heard your morning show, give us a little little take
on how you think the NBA lottery is fixed and why.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Well, I've always sort of done this topic kind of
tongue in cheek, but man, the tongue is out of
the cheek. I don't have any way of proving that
the NBA Lottery is rigged, but I've never been more
convinced that it is. And I think all you got
to do is follow the balancing ball. I mean every
and people think that it's rigged to try to favor
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big market clubs. No, it's to save floundering clubs more
than anything, to keep the competitive balance or to you know,
pay off a favor is what it feels like. But
you can kind of go through history. It started with
the frozen envelope. But don't forget nineteen ninety seven San
Antonio Spurs were going to move their franchise. David Stern
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had never lost one before, and lo and behold, Tim
Duncan with I get one percent chance? Is the number
one pick in that draft. I mean Lebron alone going
to Cleveland. Sure Cleveland had a high chance twenty two
point five percent chance, but there was a seventy seven
point five percent chance he wasn't going to go number one,
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and yet he gets there at the number one selection.
For this story book, he's staying in Ohio to Dave
the Cavaliers. Then when the decision happened in twenty ten,
and he left, and it looked like Cleveland was floundering,
and what are they going to do? Now? What happens?
They get even though they only had a two percent
chance of getting the pick. They get Kyrie Irving in
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twenty eleven. Then they get twenty fourteen as well. When
Lebron going back to Cleveland, then he goes to Los
Angeles and they and they say, well, boy, Anthony Davis
would be a great fit. Magically, the Lakers get Anthony
Davis in a trade and everybody says New Orleans didn't
get enough in return to that trade. And so what
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happens with a six percent chance that year? The Pelicans
get the number one pick and a new franchise face
and Zion Williamson to build around. I mean There was
even a year in which Anthony Davis was involved the
Charlotte Hornets, not the New Orleans Pelicans. The Charlotte Hornets
were owned by the NBA, and they got the lottery
pick because the NBA wanted to drive up the value
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of the franchise. So there's no way of proving it.
I've got thirteen other examples here, but I know we
got to get the counterpoint. So there's no way of
proving it. But man, you follow this bouncing ball and
it looks as suspicious as anything in our beloved world
of sports, and this year's is the most suspicious of
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them all.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Jackson, maybe we need to add it to our scandal
bracket of the Yeah. Good, But I know you, Hugh,
I know there are a lot of people out there
listening to Chuck palgoing.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
He's right, he's right, he's right. Tell me why he's
not right?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Okay, So I want to ask one question, Chuck, who
knows when we're talking about execute how many people? Is
so this is the year that that is the most
egregious example. Tell me who knows who's in on it?
Is Adam Silver in on it?
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Yes? Is?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Uh? Does the owner of the Mavericks know about it.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Uh. I don't think it's a direct this is what
we're gonna do. We've got a handshake agreement. I think
there is a almost like a mafia, like I'll take
care of you, stand on me, that that sort of
thing does take place, and I think they're all in
on it. I think that there's somebody in every organization
knows this is how it works.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
So you think, so you think every there's at least
one person in every organization that knows that the NBA
lottery is fixed.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I think all owners do.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah, all owners. Okay, so let's let's first talk about
the consequences and the risk. What you're talking about, the
NBA is a twelve billion dollar business enterprise that crosses
interstate lines. So if any credible evidence emerged that there
was a fixed lottery, that Feds would come in and
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the perpetrators. Let's start with Adam Silver, who makes ten
million dollars a year, he would be subject to federal
fraud charges, conspiracy to commit fraud, racketeering because there's a
gambling component of this. So now you've got RICO laws
what's called honest services fraud, which sounds benign. But there
have been executives that have gone have have had twenty
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five year sentences on this. So you're talking You've got
a team of valuation of one hundred and thirty eight
billion dollars combined, So all these owners are going to
risk going to prison. Look at the like the literally
scores of executives that have had twenty five years or
more for fraud. You're talking about Adam Silver going down
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with shueless Joe Jackson as a perpetrator of the all
time fraud, and they'll talk about him in a hundred years.
Those any owners who don't know about it, there they
can have a breach of contract because they're damaged. We're
talking about blackmail, extortion. We're talking about class action lawsuits
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by fans. We're talking about sponsors leaving and a complete
crumbling of the credibility. You're talking about in ernstin Young,
who audits the process, made fifty two billion dollars last
year at the entire nf NBA made twelve billions, so
almost four and a half times, So ernstin Young, they're
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going to be completely unreliable as an auditor in the
future and completely disavowed their shareholders. So we're talking about
the consequences and risk is enormous. I could keep going
the execution. Who knows there's a chain of custody of
the ping pong balls? The fourteen media members watch the
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ping pong balls, and so I would just like to
know who's in on it. The is a ping pong
ball guy? Is it the same guy? And in forty
one lotteries, we don't have one smoking gun, not one
single email, not one single text, not one single recorded conversation,
because after all, we all have recorders in our phone,
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in our pocket, in our phone. There has never emerged
one single smoking gun in forty one years. Statistical aberrations occur.
I could go on in that, but let's just talk
about a few of the things. In nineteen ninety two,
shack I heard this as evidence. Well, David Stern asked him,
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you want to go cold weather or warm weather? Well,
the team that had the number one odds that year
was Minnesota. The team that had the number two odds
was Orlando. It's small talk. It's just do you want
to be in cold weather or warm weather? Nothing? And
he went to Orlando, went to the number two team,
and so but the question that had been asked is
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a perfectly legitimate question that the commissioner would just be
knowing the two teams that are most likely to get it.
So was Shaq ever asked? Well, did the commissioner say,
we'll see that it's done after the lottery? Did was
ever a wink or some acknowledgment? In two thousand, if
the NBA is so concerned about a geographic placement with
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Lebron other than Derreck Rose, we got forty one other
lotteries Shack. Shack went to high school in Texas that
year Dallas had the number three? Why not put Shaq
in Dallas, a much bigger market?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
To all I want, I want Chuck to be able
to respond real quick.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
And I understand I'm almost done. So Kyrie, So the
Kyrie you mentioned the Kyrie Irvin Cleveland pick they had,
they had the a nineteen point nine percent. They didn't
get it with the Cleveland pick. They got it with
the Clippers pick that had a two point eight percent.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
If you want to.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Send the number one pick to Cleveland, why not? Why
not orchestrate the lottery so that the Cavaliers get the
pick who had a twenty percent as opposed to the Clippers,
who had less than a three percent. What Wemby, Why
on earth would you send Wemby the best prospects since Lebron?
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Oh, I'll get you. I want to answer, all right,
because San Antonio had a French infrastructure. They have Tony
Parker there. They have four or five employees that that
live that are our French origin. There was a relationship
between Greg Popovich and Victor wen Minyama. Victor wemb ben
Yama chose where he wanted to go and they made
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sure it happened. That's my belief. Again, I don't have
any evidence. I said that right off the bat.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Last day, last Nay.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
We can pick the six or eight that looked suspicious.
We can look at others that I mean, you can
find the point. Chuck, you were saying, Wait, you were
saying that the Jazz were going to get the pick,
and that's going to prove that the fix was in.
And then when the start.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Out, that was que predicting that the Jazz would get
to pick. I didn't think they were going to prove it.
I said, Okay, the Dallas situation looked even worse that
you know that Dallas situation looks worse than Utah. I
didn't think did you be that brazen as to trade
Luca to Lebron so that they got the future Laker
face through Los Angeles? And then they gave to Dallas
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a pick that year with a one point eight percent chance.
I mean, come on, I mean house is that's the
most suspicious one in the history of the league.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah, but you don't how you talk, and that foolish
to think they could fool us. So we got two
teams that point to the fixed lottery. What about all
the consequences, the risk of forty one years? Not one whistle, gentlemen.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Gentlemen, we're now bringing up points we've already made. We
gotta go to break. I'm sorry, I'm on the producer.
I'm just good say sorry.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Boys.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
We got thirteen minutes of this, so we got plenty,
plenty of time, and we do have to go to break.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I think there's a lot of people that agree with you.
There's a lot of people that agree with Chuck.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
And we probably won't ever ever know by what will
I be on the shadow of a doubt?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Who is right?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Four twenty five on ninety three point three, Chuck, we
appreciate it, my friend. Have a great holiday weekend.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
All right, man, it's rough, Jock Man, hell love you body.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Suck to you. I'll be back after this.
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Speaker 2 (23:04):
All Right, fun debate Chuck Powell and Hugh Millen. I'm
just sitting back listening to it all, just taking it
all in. I will say, just from my perspective, We're
not going to get into debate right now. We don't
have time. We're not going to get into the debate
right now. We have we've heard enough of it. I
will just say that for this to be a conspirat
if an actual conspiracy, every owner would have to know
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about it, and every owner would have to be okay
with it because not every owner would benefit from it.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I second thought, I do not believe.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It's a conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I will say that I do not believe that the
that the lottery is is rig But Hugh, we've got.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Some I do want to thank Chuck because he's a
he's a friend. Uh, he's a very talented guy. He's
a colleague. I do a show with him on Mondays
in the season. So, uh, the the intent was that
to be friendly, spirited, but friendly but mad respect to Chuck.
You know, we've broken bread many times, We've broken beer
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many times, and so you know, I hope that the
tenor of that came off. If it didn't, then then
that was my fault. I'll take responsibility. I mean, friends
can around sitting around a bar with a pitcher, beer
can get heated at each other if if if one
disagrees on a deal, And in my mind that was
the context of that.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Absolutely, and Hugh, that was not heated. But this was heated,
and we talked about it earlier.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
This week.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
We've got new audio, Hugh from the Robert Griffin the
Third Ryan Clark controversy. Now that those don't know, Robert
Griffin the Third took a strong stance on the rivalry
between Angel Rees and Caitlin Clark. He said that Angel
Rees hated Caitlin Clark, to which Ryan Clark on his
podcast weighed in and said, not only did the former
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Steelers safety accuse the former Redskins teammate, his former Redskins
teammate of you know, putting in stereotypes. He even cited
Griffin's multiple marriages to white women as evidence that he
doesn't understand what black women like Reese have to endure daily.
Robert Griffin the Third obviously was very offended that his
(25:17):
wife was brought into the situation, put it out on
social media, talked about it, and now Ryan Clark.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I have not heard this yet, Jackson.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Let me just say, Ryan Clark backtracking apologizing, what are
we hearing here?
Speaker 5 (25:30):
I will set this audio up as Ryan Clark attempting
an apology.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Okay, okay, here you let's see if it's an apology
or not.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
Obviously, the talk of the week has been the back
and forth between myself and RG three. All of it
started over an Angel Reese's take that he felt was
a sports take that.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I didn't feel that way about. I took a take.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
That was personal to another person and made it personal
to myself, and I should have done that. I shouldn't
have brought his wife into an equation, even though in
my mind before speaking about her, I processed as much
as I possibly could to speak of her in a
way that was positive, trying to make sure it only
(26:17):
illustrated a point about the way that he approached Andrew reees,
I probably missed the mark. I have a lot of
experience with RG three already, things that have developed over
our experiences together, over some things that he said to me,
done to me, probably some things I've said to him.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
They played a part in how.
Speaker 7 (26:37):
I felt, which ended up being an attack on him,
he felt, or at least he said, an attack on
his family, and that was never the case or never
the intent of mind.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
So we find out that there was in fact history
there which there had to have been christ Like, how
could like, why if you didn't have history with this dude,
why would you have ever gone down the that rook?
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Guys, Yes, guys, he only talked about RG three's wife
after he really did long research and thought of that
talk about.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
It you, I mean, let's let's dig yourself a hole
and bury yourself like I don't think he did any self,
did himself any favors, basically saying I process this, I
went through the process in my brain of bringing his
wife into this conversation and.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Then did it anyway. I mean, that's even worse in
my opinion.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah, and and he thought it was a positive, which
is a BS. Look I tell my kids. I told
my kids years ago, I said, look, if you're ever
in your life moved to apologize, don't give a BS apology.
A BS apology is I'm sorry if I offended you,
because you know what that is, that's me gas lighting
(27:54):
you that you're actually a little too sensitive like how
you interpreted it.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I didn't do anything wrong, but your reactions part of
what Clark.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Said that, Yeah, I'm sorry if I offended you. That's
a b IF. If that's how you're gonna apologize, don't
apologize at all, because what's that's a manipulation saying you're
really the one at fault. That's called gaslighting.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
A real apology is, look, I'm sorry for what I
said or did, and you are right to feel fill
in the blank stung offended? Uh what have and and
so I was wrong, end of story, No excuses. I
(28:39):
need to be better. I hope you expect accept my apology,
and I will try and I will work to be
better in the future. Period and and and so I
tell my kid, don't ever freaking give a BS apology
and I feel like that was a BS apology about it,
and I would like to actually, you know, and then
(29:00):
ate the words BS, because like like look for for
him to try and say that his wife would not
be offended by that. Oh, I mean just clueless.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
You listen, Robert Griffin the third you say you feel
that your wife was attacked. But listen, I processed this
and I was just saying something positive.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
If I'm r G three, now, I just just let
it positive.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Just let it lie now, let Ryan Clark's words just
hang out there and we can just realize how ridiculous
they were
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