May 23, 2025 • 56 mins
In the third hour, Dick Fain, Hugh Millen and Jackson Felts debate this week’s Friday Bracket centered around the biggest cheating scandals in sports in this century (the last 25 years) before Fain talks to Storm forward Gabby Williams and Coach Noelle Quinn.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Rolling into the five o'clock hour things a couple hours
left of the big show, and then I'll run up
the hill to Climate Pleasu Arena for a little WNBA basketball.
But five o'clock sometimes four o'clock, right, Jackson?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Or do we always do it at five o'clock on
a Friday?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
We always do it at four. Today we're doing it five.
Then today we're doing at five.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
What the heck? But we always do it on Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
It when it's nice and sunny and everybody's in a
good mood, and we find Jackson and I have this big,
long list of different brackets that we want to do,
different topics of conversation, but we usually like to pair
them with current events, something that's going on in the
sports world, either locally or nationally. And so Jackson's bright idea,
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which I think was fantastic, and I signed off on it.
In honor of the Seattle Mariners taking on the bastards
from Houston, the Houston Astros, the trash bangers, we have
decided to put together a bracket of the biggest sports
cheating scandals of this century. So two thousand to two
thousand and twenty five, and we did make a last
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minute alteration, did we not? And I don't know, I
don't even know why that popped into my head, but
he was talking there in the end of the last segment,
and for some reason, Connor Stallions popped into my brain.
I was like, we got to add Connor Stallions, man,
And even though it was only the last couple of years,
we got to add Connor Stowns.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I don't know if you guys either one of it.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Did either one of you guys watch the Netflix documentary
on Connor Stallions in Michigan?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Did you see that? Hugh? No, No, I've intended to.
It's on my list. It's good. No, it's good. It's
very very good.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Connor Stallions interviewed through the whole thing, talks about what
he did.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It's very very interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
So so here's what we got in and before we
before we break down the list here, let's kind of
go around the horn and get our parameters. I'll give
you my two big parameters for what we're looking for,
and then I'll let Hugh and Jackson do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
One. How big was the news story?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Like?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
How big?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
How long did this last in the news cycle? How
much was it talked? About when this scandal was going on.
And then the second one just the egregious nature of
the violation. The bigger the cheating, the bigger the violation,
the scope of the violation that would that would lend
me to vote for that particular person or that particular team.
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So you any other parameters that we should be thinking
about when when discussing.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
The biggest cheaters of the last twenty five years.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Well, before you outlined years, I had three things. Number One,
how widespread is it in terms of the perpetrators. Is
it a solo perpetrator essentially or how many people are involved?
Certainly you know the first two. You know, Lance Armstrong
is essentially why I'm not saying.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
He didn't have.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
You know, attendance with him, but for the most part,
I'm calling him a solo perpetrator versus some of the others.
Number two would be the impact did it affect did
the cheating? How did the cheating affect the outcome the competitors?
Because we're talking about sports cheaters. So is there any
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anybody who won a championship where I could I could
conclude it's more probable than not. Did they won a
championship because of the cheating, so what was the impact?
And then third, you know, I kind of feel compelled
to put geographic considerations or nationality considerations because if you're
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talking about the rupting Russian doping scandal, that's a really
big deal and it involves a lot of people. The
consequences that were a really big deal, and certainly if
it was the United States Olympic team, oh.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Wow, as opposed to the number one seed.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
So so, but.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
But is that really what we want on a Seattle
rated station to put the exact same amount of importance
on the Russian Olympic team as the American Olympic team?
So why considerations should be given in that regard? In
my opinion, that's my methodology, Jackson.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
I think Hugh's second point, I think is my number one.
And I think all of the points you listed are
on my kind of sheet, and I.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Didn't list mine in order of ye priority.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
So I think, for me, like my priority, the number
one thing is did you win a championship because of
your cheating?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Did you get hardware?
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Did you get Accolade's honors parade, whatever? Did you get
that specifically because you cheated? And then everything else is
super meaningful. I hadn't even thought of like the size
of really interesting points from Hugh there. But for me,
it's the number one thing is did you get a
trophy because you cheated?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
All right, well, let's let's start this off. We've got
it was going to be Lance Armstrong the one seed
against eight seed Floyd Landis. We have swapped out Floyd
Landis and replaced him with Connor Stallions and the Michigan
Wolverines of twenty twenty three leading up to, by the way,
their championship game appearance against the Washington Huskies. So that
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adds a little more local flavor to the whole thing.
Jackson will let you, We'll let you start. You're going Lance,
or you're going You're going. Connor Stallions obviously like Lance.
The drugs obviously helped him win Tour de France and
all of that and taking home all the hardware. There
is a case to make that the Michigan Wolverines are
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not even in that championship game if they don't have
all the spying and Connor Stallions doing his thing and
getting the recon and all the information. The Michigan Wolverines
may lose another game or two along the way to
other teams, and therefore they are not in the position
to face the Washington Huskies.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
I'm not even sure who would Who would the Huskies
have faced then Alabama? Right, yes, it would have been
Alabama in the title game. I mean, because that affects
it right as a Husky fan thinking with the Huskies
won a national championship, add the cheating not happened, emotions.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Wait, wait twenty twenty three, who are the Wolverines beat?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
They beat the Washington Huskies in the semi file. In
the semi file Alabama, Alabama and the Rosebright.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
So so the Huskies would have faced Alabama, I'm saying
in the in the national championship then and then so
So the thought for me is, did Michigan's cheating and
another team going in there take away a national championship
from the Huskies. That's an interesting little wrinkles to throw
in this dependon you know what.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
We use emotion in the in voting for this alley.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I mean, the emotion is fine to use in this,
so you can use whatever you want.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
It's actually way closer than I thought this was gonna be.
I am still going Lance Armstrong because we know for sure.
It's just unequivocal that he got the hardware.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Because of it.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
And then it was the lying and it was the livestrong,
and it was everything else on top of it. It
was sort of just wrapped in of like, man, you
were some saint. No you weren't. It's Lanstrong Strong, but
it's barely Lance Armstrong over the eight seed.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
All right, Well, I would like to know when the
Connor Stallions scandal broke and whether or not you know,
at at what point you could say Connor Stallions could
have reasonably impacted games?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Was it the middle of.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
The season, was it early in the season? Was it
like so absence of not.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Knowing the games?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Connor Stallions was no longer with the team.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Okay, so most of the first game, And wasn't that
when Harbaugh was was ineligible as well, he didn't even
coach and three I believe, and what was there? What
was their September schedule? Probably not meaningful, So I would
say that that had the potential to be impactful. But
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I I would say that Lance Armstrong we can say
with near certainty that he would not have won and
not just one, but several Tour de France's h the
premier cycling event, by the.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Way, Michigan was East Carolina UNLV and Bowling Green.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
In light of this information, I'm gonna see Lance Armstrong advance.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
All right, lance Well is two to nothing then, so
we move on. So Lance Armstrong has advanced to the
second round. This one is going to be a fun one.
Patriots on Patriots Crime. The two biggest i mean, the
two biggest scandals in the NFL over the last twenty
five years have both involved the same head coach and
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the same franchise. The spygate is the number four seed.
The Patriots deflate gate is the number five seed. And Hugh,
I'll let you, I'll let you start with this one.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Well, first of all, regarding to flate gate, and I've
read everything there is to know about it, there was
a game that the Patriots played against the Jets, and
Tom Brady, he knows what a football feels like in
terms of the normal pressure, and he was complaining all
game long that that that that ball and by the way,
the Pages won that game, but that that ball felt
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like a brick. And so we have written communication that
they tested those balls the next day and they were
sixteen pounds as opposed to thirteen. That means that ball
felt like it was made of lead. And so all
Brady Ever said is, hey, show me the rule book.
What's the permissible He goes, I want it to be
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near the bottom. That's all he ever. And then, by
the way, if you compare his stats before the flight
gate and after the deflate gate, he's he's been actually better,
He's won more Super Bowls. He's won, he's won he's
at higher passer rated. Like if you if you looked
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at that inflection point and looked at his career and say,
is there any demise in any any regard? The answer
is so I completely minimized the flake. As for spygating,
it could be potentially an issue depending on how they executed.
So I will advance spygate in a clear In a
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clear I don't call victory right.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Right, advancing easily, I'll go next. SPYGATEA occurred during the
two thousand and seven season. Videotaping opposing coaches is not
illegal per se in the NFL. There are designated areas
by the league to do taping, but because the Patriots
were videotaping, the Jets coaches from their own sideline during
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the game. Roger Goodell deemed it to be a violation
of league rules. He fined Bill Belichick a half a
million dollars, which is the maximum fine allowed and the
largest fine ever imposed on a coach in league history.
Also find the Patriots two hundred fifty thousand dollars. I
didn't realize that. I realized, I knew they were both fined.
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I didn't realize Belichick actually got the the twice as
much fine as the.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Team didn't they lose a first round pick.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Tack did they lost their first round pick in two
thousand and eight. It would have been the thirty first
pick in the drafts.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
So they did not win a super Bowl and they
did not win.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
That's correct, and they did not win a Super Bowl.
I just think the the egregious nature of the spygate
supersedes the level of egregiousness in the deflate gate, and
going through that, I just remember how I remember what
my emotions were surrounding both My emotions surrounding Spygate were
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freaking cheaters, dude, like absolute bastard cheaters. Bill Belichick is
Darth Vader, what have you? When we went through the
flate gate. For me, it was kind of a more
fun thing because I didn't like Tom Brady, and so
it's like it's almost like my opinion on the on
almost like the opinion on the NBA. It's it's fun
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to think that the NBA lottery is rigged, and it's
just fun to believe that even though that okay, you
look at the preponderance of the evidence and it's most
likely not rigged. I kind of feel like that a way.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
On the flake gate, it's fun for.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Me to believe that Tom Brady was in the back
room going and having a flat football when we need
when he went out there. I don't actually believe that
it happened, or if it did happen. Even if it
did happen, I don't think the ramifications of a slightly
deflated football make nearly as much of an advantage as
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what the spy as what spygate would be.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Just I mean, you're you're You're both speaking very very
logically and very very reasonably.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I'm not going to use logic and reason. We want
the emotion in the bracket. Absolutely Listen.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
The reality is is that the footballs were altered slightly,
and the New England Pageots went on to win that
AFC Championship game. It got them hardware. Regardless of how
much an impact it was, it got them hardware. And
then they beat the Seattle Seahawks in two weeks later
in the game we all remember, so listen, it may
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not have meant that much. I used the word in
may very intentionally, but at the end of the day,
the Patriots then beat our Seahawks in the Super Bowl
two weeks later.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Who knows how much it.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Meant deflated football. You know what, I don't really care
about that.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
They were okay, you know what it was honestly, and
you know, to the first point you made, Dick, in
terms of the scope of this, how big of a
story is it? How long does this go on? I
feel like deflate gate took over the news cycle for
like a year, it, I mean, and the thing was
spike it. It was kind of like, yes, you did this,
here's your punishments, right, we're done. Like this was it
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was just it wasn't even slap on the wrist. It's
like you're going in the slammer. That's it, end of story.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah to flake gate, you're right, that drug on and
on and on.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Exactly it really did, and it took so long, and
again the reality is like it probably didn't make a difference.
It might have, but it probably didn't make a difference.
But boy, it just felt like a massive scandal at
the time because it wouldn't end. I mean, I think
there was like, wasn't there aly, I think it went
to the US Court of Appeals or something like. It
took so long in the grand scheme of things that
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when it just ends up feeling bigger than it was.
So I mean, I would have voted for deflake Gate
here just for the pure Seahawks fan in me, But
I understand why the logic and reason wins out.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
How about the fact that both of our local teams
and our last appearance in championship games were indirectly involved
in two of these scandals three Yeah, the flake gate
and the flake Gate and Connor's stallions. Now, I will
add this to the spy gay Spygate's gonna move on
as the winner two to one. But some whistleblowers within
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the Patriots organization revealed that videotaping practices went back as
early as the two two thousand season, So the spy
Gate was went on seven years. How many chimp three
championships and another ball So my.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Gosh, oh my go Belichick. Wow.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So the one seed against the five seed. It excuse me,
one seed against the four seed, Lance Armstrong and Spygate.
Move on to the second round. Now let's fit one
more in here. We got fit one more in here,
the number three seed. The team that prompted us to
do this in the first place, The Houston Astros banging
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on the trash cans, Josel. Tuve with his little buzzer
in the in his shirt against Tim Donnahey.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I wonder how.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Many people remember the Tim Donnahy scandal. This was a
two thousand and seven betting scandal. Tim Donnie, NBA official,
caught betting on games he officiated, allegedly using inside information
to do so. He would plead guilty to two federal
charges and served fifteen months in prison a federal prison,
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and it sparked significant changes in referee guidelines, including stricter
rules on gambling and more thorough background check. So I'll
start with this. I'll start here. The Dannahey thing was huge,
There's no question about that. And people had already accused
the NBA of, you know, David Stern of you know,
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the whole lottery is fixed, and now we've got an
official that's cheating on games. The NBA went through a
lot of hard times around this. This was a really
really important, important thing. But back to Jackson's point of
didn't win anybody a championship, I don't necessarily think what
Tim Donnahy did benefited any particular team in the in
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the fact that got them a championship. Whereas the Astros
cheating scandal. Could the Astros have won the World Series
with banging on drums? Yes, will we ever know that?
They would have no impossible to prove. But I do
feel like they were significantly helped in winning that first
championship because of the banging on the drums, because of
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knowing what pitches.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Were coming when they were playing in their home park.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
You well, first of all, as for the Tim donahey,
I didn't write championships down on my methodology. I wrote
impact down, okay, and and impact would include championships, but
it would include more than championships. It's not limited to championships.
So the Donahue incident had the potential to greatly and
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gravely impact the NBA. If there's a belief that the
NBA that the fixes in from officials on the NBA
that could undermine basketball in a way that that far
would exceed the ass we'll call the Astros incident because
it was relatively brief and it was handled right. So
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but it is my sense some nearly twenty years later
that that was short lived. The impact the potential public
confidence in the NBA. I think I think that it
it received a blow, but not terribly significant, not terribly
long lasting, So I think that impact was minimalized. As
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for the Astros, look, I think it's more probable than
not that that they they won a World Series because
of it. Because of it, there was a twenty twenty
investigation by Major League Baseball that that concluded that they
were they were benefiting during the World Series. A J
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hints the manager got fired ultimately because of this. So
I think the impact is really big when you're talking
about when mean the World Series. So yeah, I'll push
on the Astros. Although I could envision a sequence that
could have happened in the dnahe incident where the impact
would have superseded the Astros, I just didn't think it
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met the criterion for me in terms of the impact.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
I'll just quickly say before we break that I think
this is the strongest three seed we've ever had in
the Friday bracket.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Is not even close.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
All right, So we got the Astros moving on. They
will face the winner of the Mitchell Report steroid scandal
and the Russian doping scandal that kept the entire Russian
Olympic team out of last year's Summer Olympics. We'll do
that next on ninety three point three KJFM.
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Speaker 1 (19:57):
Continuing our Biggest Sports Eating Scandals of this century bracket.
We are now to the final of the first round,
the two seed against the seventh seed. We have the
Mitchell Report against the two seed, Mitchell Report against the
seventh seed, Russian doping band. Let's start with a Russian
doping ban the seventh seed. I was incorrect, It was
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not the twenty twenty four Olympics. They were banned because
of because of doping. It was the Ukraine. They were
banned from twenty twenty four. In twenty nineteen they went
through a four year ban of all international competition and
they the peeled down to two.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
It was appealed down to two, but.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
They missed out on the twenty twenty Olympics. So Russia
hasn't participated in a long time for various for rarest reasons.
And if you just look up Russian doping on Wikipedia,
it would literally take you twenty minutes to read the page.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It is immy.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
It goes for decades and decades and decades, so it's
not really an isolated case. But we are talking about
their suspension in twenty nineteen against the mid Report, guys,
and the two seed Mitchell Report. Back in two thousand
and three, George Mitchell, for former Senate Majority leader, became
the lead person on this report. He says that five
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to seven percent of players in random testing tested positive
for steroid use. Players on the forty man roster of
Major league teams were exempt from testing until two thousand
and four, but after mandatory random testing began in two
thousand and four, then HGH became the substance amongst choice
because it was not detectable on test. But the report
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noted that at least one player from every single team
right was involved in the alleged violations. We know what
the offensive numbers did in Major League baseball for about
a ten year span. They were absolutely off the charts.
I'll start with this one. I'm gonna pick the Mitchell
Report for the main reason was is because it was
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kind of consolidated, right. It was one it was one
era of baseball where we saw a spike, we saw
then the tests coming in and the spike went back
down again, and now, my god, we're praying.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
For runs in Major League baseball when we used.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
To see nine to eight games all the time in
Major League Baseball, and the offense just got absolutely out
of hand. And it was obviously due to due to
the steroids. Whereas as I just mentioned the Russian doping guys,
I mean that, I mean that's been going on for
decades and decades and decades and decades. We're just happening
to pick a little small chunk of it.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
That's fair.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
I think I think that's that's fair reason to vote
for Mitchell Report. I would say, we're talking about a country. Yeah,
and we're talking about so many athletes across so many competitions,
good who had one previous competitions, literally taking trophies out
of their hands. And when we talk about hardware, which
is my number one criteria here, that is hardware won
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by Russians for countless years.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
How in America didn't win a goal not because of Russia,
because of Russian doping.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
So literally it's the Russian doping that them that won
them hardware.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
And the Mitchell part like again, like what you said, Dick,
every team had one. So at the end of the day,
like whoever wins the World Series, they got steroid users
on them, so that every team has them.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
So it's not it's it's completely different. So I'm going
with the entire.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Country that took home hardware and that lost out on
the hardware because of their because of what happened their
four years.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
But do your band, It's up to you to breaker.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
I'm a big fan of the Olympics as an institution,
what it represents, So I think that anything that desecrates
the Olympics, I think is very significant. I I I
think that it's very difficult to gauge the impact of
the scandal. First of all, if you write it down
like a mathematical equation, you put United States Olympic team
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being banned, and then on the opposite side of that
you put Russian Olympic team being banned.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Do you put an.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Equals in between those two or do you put a
greater than sign between those two?
Speaker 7 (24:15):
Right?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Because I put a great I put a greater.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Than sign because of me as as as a as
an American sports fan, I just think it's a bigger
It would be a bigger story if it happened to
American Olympic team benefit. So so there's that factor the
other part of it, and I think kind of alluded
to it. I think trying to to somehow gauge the
impact of the of the Russian scandal. I don't know
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if that's caused other teams to stop doing the cheating
they're doing, and so it's a little bit like trying
to nail jelly to a tree trying to gauge the
impact here. So in light of that, I can look
at the Mitchell Report, and I could I could see
that there was ramp at steroid use before the Mitchell Report,
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and that put young athletes. Let's say, your son, your
son Dixon's a golfer, but just imagine he's a he's
in a single a baseball team or whatever, and you
open the trunk and he's got a syringe of steroids
that you know, we're not going to get into all
of the health consequences. And he just looks at and
he says, Dad, my power numbers are really close. Everybody
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else is doing it, and it's just what I have
to do to compete to try you to get to
the big leagues. So that is a really big deal,
and I had it's a lot easier to assess the
impact of the Mitchell Report and the busting the humiliation. Look,
I get it, Roger and Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitt, Jason Giammy,
David Justice. There's a lot of guys that won world
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titles that were deemed guilty of steroid use. But I
can see a clear line after the Mitchell Report of
the apparent use of steroids. So in that in that context,
I do think the Olympics are bigger than Major League Baseball.
But for the for the reasons I described, I'm putting
forth the Mitchell All.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Right, top four seeds.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Top four seeds move on number one against number four,
Lance Armstrong against the Patriots. Spygate, Jackson, you start, spygate
was regular season?
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Right?
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Regular season games confirmed in terms of confirmed they were
where they were illegally filming the coaches they were those were,
Those were confirmed to be regular season games.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I believe I would have to double check to see
if there's any playoff games there, but yeah, I believe
it was regular.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
When we talk about hardware, regular season games don't get
you nothing. And we know that Lance Armstrong has a
lot of hardware because of what he did. Lance Armstrong
to the final, Okay, Hugh.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Uh, Well, I look at this.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
I'm not a cycling fan that you know, who wins
the Tour de France doesn't really intrigue me. But I
understand it's the super Bowl of that sport, and I
understand it's a lot bigger in Europe. And I understand
that Lance Armstrong won seven consecutive Tour de Frances and
I think the overwhelming evidence, if nothing else, just common
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sense tells you he would have won none of them
without the doping. I think for the you know, for
what it's worth, the French, who are already have been skeptical,
you know, I would say skeptical, but reticent to Americans
for decades, if not centuries. I think there was an
immense black eye in some sense that he's an American
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staining a French event. So for those reasons, yeah, Lance
Armstrong and his scandal advances.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I'm gonna use the word scope to define why I'm
going to bet the way I'm or the vote.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
The way I'm going to vote.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
The NFL is a fifty thousand pound boulder. The world
of cycling is a pee, and yet the Lance Armstrong
scandal took that pee and made it a fifty thousand
pound boulder. The attention on Lance Armstrong and that scandal
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was unbelievable, whereas the Spygate thing was we were talking
about the NFL anyway, and Spygate was a story on
Sports Center every night, but it wasn't always the story.
Lance Armstrong was the story for a long long time.
So I will bet, I will vote Lance Armstrong movie.
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It's a great point.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Okay, let's try to in two minutes to start to
get through this final one here, because we have astros,
the three Seed versus Mitchell Report, the two Seeds.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
To face Lance Armstrong in the final. Astro's cheating scandal
and Mitchell Mitchell Report Dick because the Mitchell Report, in
my was was more across the board, and it depends
off you want to use scope or it depends on
you if you want to use giving a team advantage,
and I'm going to I'm going to supersede giving a
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team an advantage over scope because I think the Mitchell
Report was a bigger deal. It was the bigger scope,
but it didn't give one team a championship. So I'm
actually going to vote for the Astros cheating scandal of
the Mitchell Report because it was one team doing it
and that one team happened to win the World Series.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Hugh Well, I look at the Astros and I and
if it was a civil burden of proof, the proponnance
of the evidence, I think it would say the Astros
won the World Series because of that. If it was
a criminal burden of proof, which is beyond a reasonable
doubt for me, I don't think that I would say
beyond a reasonable doubt they they would not have won
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it but for the cheating. So I think there's some
ambiguity there. The Mitchell Report for reasons described I think
was a very weighty property with the use of steroids
by baseball players was a big deal and and the
Mitchell Report eradicated that was a sub substantive change in baseball.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
And so in my opinion, I'm putting the Mitchell Report first.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Jacksons to break the tie and send somebody to the finals.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
At the end of the day, the number one thing
on my list is did you get hardware because of
your cheating? And if every team has a steroid user.
We look at the World Series champions, and we look
at the Yankees, and you know, the Angels beating the Giants,
so Bonds didn't get a title in O two, the
Marlins over the Yankees, Red Sox over those. If all
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those teams had had steroid users, then doesn't give one
the advantage massively over the other. Houston cheating and they
won two World Series, they went to what four World Series?
I mean that is directly related to their cheating in
multiple different I know the buzzer wasn't confirmed, but in
multiple ways they cheated to win at least four American
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League penets and maybe the two World Series titles. You
can include into that for my money because of my criteria.
It's the Astros the three seed to the final.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Lance Armstrong against the Astros. We'll do the final coming
up next on ninety three point three KJRFM.
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Speaker 2 (31:22):
There's a good one. Good work Jackson coming up.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
With this UH bracket for today, the biggest ports cheating
scandal of this century. We've gotten down to the one seed,
Lance Armstrong against the three seed Astros.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Jackson, you get to go first.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
We've used the courtroom analogy a few times here, Dura
over the course of this hour. On the bracket, you're honor.
I'd like to present some evidence. The Houston Astros have
two World Series championships in twenty seventeen in twenty twenty two,
and I think the players who were part of that
twenty two team were on that seventeen team. You'd say
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you didn't cheat in twenty two and all that stuff.
I do not see evidence against that. You stop your cheating.
So there's that two points.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Also that the fact that they also made two other
World Series Championships while they were cheating, in nineteen and
in twenty one. Again the evidence lacking of the buzzer,
but still you have your damn trash can.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
And the third point, your honor.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
During today's game between the Mastros and Mariners, it is
Star Wars night, and up on the jumbo tron, while
cal Rawley was batting, they put a picture of Jaba
the hut, your honor. This blasphemy will not stand.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I will not stand for the cal Rawley derogatory image
on your scoreboard. Houston Astros take the l They take
the championship. Here in the biggest source, chef scandle you
won your titles because of trash cans. Jackson Pocus for
the three seed, the Astros cheating scandal. I am looking
at the Lance Armstrong situation. I'm reading more about it.
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I am remembering things from it. For example, the the
Nike ads, the libs Strong, I mean millions and millions
and millions of dollars pumped in all due to a
guys and a guys that he vehemently supported and attacked
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anyone who had the gall to call him a cheater
for years and years and years and years. And then
on January thirteenth, twenty thirteen, on the Oprah Winfrey Show,
he would come on and state that his quote mythic
perfect story was one big lie, and he also admitted
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that he had been cheating since he was twenty one
years of age. Bikes decades long, seven seven Tour de
Front's championships.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
It took.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
It was the biggest story in cycling, which was a
nothing sport. Overall, give me, Lance Armstang.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
He was to finish it. You get the okay, all right?
Speaker 4 (34:03):
I would just say this, As for the astros, I
would ask you what person has had their life turned
upside down because of that scandal? Just when a'l tuo
v maybe he gets booed a little bit here or there.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Like like.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
By contrast, when you think of this whole thing was
called a scandal. A scandal not part of this contest
and part of the wording of this if you if
you just look up any definition of scandal, Lance Armstrong,
he transcended sports. You mentioned Oprah.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
He's on.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
It was on Oprah. This is national news. This was
on some regard a stain on the United States because
an American had infiltrated a European primarily European sport and
had uh you know, come out and one seventh straight
all through doping. What was the consequence? Were the Astro
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stripped of their word series title?
Speaker 6 (35:03):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I mean you had suspensions for the GM and the manager.
They weren't. They were fired by their own teams. Are fine? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
By contrast, Lance Armstrong had all seven of his victory stripped.
He was banned from the sport for life. He was
ordered to pay ten million dollars in a in a
lawsuit involving promotions. He agreed to pay another five million
to the US government to settle whistleblower lawsuit on broad
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In it so to me, when you talk about scandal,
you take a prominent, recognizable athlete to the level of
Lance Armstrong and you completely turn his life entirely upside down.
In what I think had A was a scandal that
had a far broader context than the Astros scandal, particularly
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if you consider from a world perspective.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Well went pretty chalky, but it was good. The one, two, three,
and four advance, then the one versus the three and
the one ends up winning. Lance Armstrong, Congratulations, we've brought
you back in the news here fifteen years later, five
point fifty four on ninety three point three KJRFM, when
we come back, uh, the head coach of the Seattle Storm,
Gabby Williams of the Seattle Storms. We get set for
the home opener coming up at seven o'clock on ninety
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three point three KJRFM. The Storm tonight getting set in
about an hour against Phoenix at Climate Pledge Arena in
the home opener seven o'clock. You can watch me in
a lease on I on TV and join us right
now from the Seattle Storm. I call her g dubb
Gabby Williams.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
How you doing, Gabby?
Speaker 7 (36:38):
I'm doing I'm doing Gray.
Speaker 8 (36:39):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
You don't mind that name, do you? I call you
that on the air sometimes when I'm calling games. It
just kind of it just seems to flow for me.
Speaker 7 (36:46):
I love it all right, Thanks that it goes though
with the hype absolutely, yeah, you know, just talk about
the buzz surrounding this team, which is big always.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Every single year. You're gonna have a packed house tonight.
This is just just what we do here in Seattle
for women's basketball. You know you've been around this league.
What makes this city and this fan base unique in
this league?
Speaker 7 (37:10):
I mean even just driving around seeing all the Storm fans,
I mean that's just so different. It's it feels like
it's a part of the city's culture, not just basketball culture.
And I think that's what's so special. It's what like
Droomy to coming to Seattle for sure, and it's what's
It's a big reason of what's kept me here is
I just love being a part of this and you
just always feel like you're a part of history when
you play for the Seattle Storm.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Absolutely, and you know this this beast see us Storm
Center for Basketball performance.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I mean it's you know, really first of its kind.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
There are other teams that are copying this, this franchise
for obvious reasons and building their own. But you know,
with a with a collective bargain agreement coming up at
the end of this year, and free agency is just
going to be massive, Like almost the entire league's a
free agent at the at the end of this season,
how much of an impact not only will the Storm
fans and the reputation Storm fans have and in a
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State the our Climate Pledge Arena. But how much of
an impact and free agency do you think that Storm
Center for Basketball Performance will have as well?
Speaker 7 (38:08):
Well, we're setting the standard now. I mean this is
teams and players won't want to settle for anything less.
I think once they've seen this. I know, I don't.
I know I don't want to go anywhere else after
being here because I don't think I'll ever find anything
better than this. And I think what the Storm and
what our ownership and our sponsors are doing, I mean,
they're creating something that people like you can only get here,
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they can only get in Seattle, and it'll force other
teams to have to step up to our level.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Gabby Williams joining us ahead of the Storm game against
Phoenix tonight at Climate Pledge Arena at seven o'clock. And Gabby,
this league's getting so much attention by my two point
seven million fans watch the Sky and the Fever this
last weekend. But the attention isn't always about basketball. Sometimes
it's about basketball, but it's not always about basketball. Do
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you like the attention the league is getting, even though
it's not all always necessarily focused on what's going on
on the floor.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Basketball wise, well.
Speaker 7 (39:05):
The WNBA has always been kind of the forefront on
things that happen outside of just basketball, you know, being
more than just an athlete, and using our voices to
push you know, whatever narratives or whatever social causes or
anything that we feel passionate about. So I think it's
great that the conversation isn't just about basketball, because it's
it's never been that way with the WNBA, and I
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think we've always women have always been proud leaders in
these aspects.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Gabby Williams joining us.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
You played for the French national team this year and
you were oh so close to just dethroning the queens
of basketball in the United States a one point loss
in that gold medal game. You know, what does that
say about international women's basketball that your team can come
within one point of dethroning the American giant in the Olympics.
Speaker 7 (39:55):
I think it's going to be super motivating for the
young girls who are starting basketball in Europe and and
especially in France. I know it's always kind of always
been a soccer and handball, so it's great to see
basketball now getting the same popularity in France especially and
just seeing more players come over Stateside now and playing here,
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and I think that's going to help us grow because
you know, all the best coaches and the best trainers,
and you know a lot of them are in the States.
So it's great that now a lot of French players
will come and learn from the people here.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
You did not fly under the radar at all in
the Olympics, but your teammate, who is now also a
Storm teammate did. She didn't get a ton of playing
time in the Olympics, but she's the number two overall
pick in the draft. Tell us about Dominique Maloga and
just what she's all about, and when you first met
her and kind of started noticing how great a player
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she could be.
Speaker 7 (40:51):
Yeah, we always knew she was going to be great
for sure, even when she was you know what was
she was sixteen years old. I think when I joined
the team in Leone, you already knew that she was
going to have a huge future, especially in the WNBA.
But what really impressed me is just the growth that
she's had just in this last year. I mean, she
just she's getting better at such an incredible rate right now,
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and so even just the past few weeks seeing her
grow even more here in Seattle and learning all these
new things and ticking them up so quickly, so I
don't even recognize her sometimes because I'm like, this isn't
the Tom that I knew three years ago. So I'm
just excited to see her growth continue.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
Well.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah, the first time I saw her in person, you know,
last week, I came to practice and I mean there
was like three different moments during practice I was like, WHOA.
I didn't know someone that tall, that long could make
a move like that. And I think there's going to
be a lot of wow moments for you for the
Storm Final a couple of minutes with Gabby Williams here
joining us. Gaby, are we getting to a point now,
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especially with the new CBA coming and more TV money coming,
that fewer and fewer players will even play overseas anymore?
I mean you've got a situation with your team that
two of your players on your raws aren't playing for
the Storm this year because they got injuries overseas.
Speaker 7 (42:07):
Yeah, I mean I think we're we're already saying it.
I Mean, the in EuroLeague we have, we didn't have
a lot of Americans or a lot of WNBA players
even in your league. This year in France, I don't
think there were any WNBA players, and if there were,
they left, they weren't there the whole season, right Besides,
like the acts the French players that were there. So yeah,
we're going to see a lot more people come stateside,
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and I'm happy to see that the WNBA is finally
making an effort to appeal to them versus punishing them,
right because before we were punished for playing overseas without
having the reward on the backside. And I think now
the WNBA is trying to say, look, we're trying. We're
going to entice you to come. We're going to give
you better salaries, We're going to give you a reason
to come here, and that will bring players versus just
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punishing them for being a day late or something.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Well, and you guys are earning that reason because you know,
it all comes down to eyeballs and how many people
are watching your games. And then so many more people
are watching your games because if players like you that
are exciting and doing more things on the floor that
wasn't happening ten or fifteen years ago. Final thing for you, Gabby,
all right, what needs to happen this year for the
Storm to go from a playoff team, which you were
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last year, to a championship caliber team that I know
y'all want to be.
Speaker 7 (43:19):
I think it's going to be our discipline, our discipline,
and our culture, and those are the things that we've
been emphasizing from day one, because those are the things
that if shots aren't falling or whatever's happening, the ball
sometimes are bound to certain ways. But those are the
things that you can always have and you can always
rely on, and those are things that create championship teams.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
I think awesome.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Best of luck to you tonight. I can't wait to
go up there and call the game, and best of
luck to you this season. Appreciate you joining me.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Thank you you bet.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Gabby Williams here on ninety three point three KJRFM, now
the head coach of the Seattle Storm, joins us ahead
of game number one at Climate Pledge Arena this year.
Noel Quinn, who just got her seventy fifth win this
week as a head coach of the Seattle Storm and
very easily could get to number two on that all
time wins list this season.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
How you doing, coach?
Speaker 8 (44:08):
That's too bad?
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Hey, let's talk about the person that I just talked
to and that and that's Gabby Williams. Just give us
your impression as her head coach and what impresses you
most most about her?
Speaker 8 (44:20):
A lot of things. Honestly, her number one role is
to be.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
A world class prints army knife. When I say world class,
I think of just about how she is as an
individual to start there from you know, the way that
she communicates and is an amazing teammate, to the way
that she prepares her mind body for for these games.
She's an elite athlete, but also she's she's a winner.
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She's very committed to the process, and you know, and
of course he's so versatile putting her in multiple positions
having regard multiple people.
Speaker 8 (44:57):
She does it with pride.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
She doesn't have an ego about it selfless. She she
really works hard every single day and is committed to
the process and committed to us. And for her to
continue to choose us, whether it's you know, twelve games,
fifteen games, or this this year an entire season. I mean,
she's a world class individual and I'm so happy that
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she's with.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Us, and she's just part of that that veteran corps
that you have, and that veteran corps came together in
game number two. I mean, obviously game number one was
not the way that anybody wanted it to go in
that lost to Phoenix, but the bounce back, and I
thought it was interesting how you mentioned in the in
the pregame press conference before the Dallas game that you
didn't need to be hard on this team after game
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number one because they were hard enough on themselves. And
I watched I watched Neca and and in Skyler after
that game number one, and they were pissed. And so,
you know, how is how refreshing is that that you
don't have to come down on this team because you've
just got these all pros, all star vets that just
know how to handle bad situations.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Yeah, it's been great, honestly because they've been coaching themselves
and they hold themselves to such a high standard and
accountability that's taking place, but the communication that's taking place,
they're all on one accord. There's so much alignment happening.
So like I said that pressor, you know, I don't
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have to, you know, say what's already been said. Sometimes,
you know, sometimes I'm coming to the huddles and they've
already addressed you know, what is going on the court,
and so for me, it's it's it's beautiful to see honestly,
you know, them just talking to each other at the
communication level and the real time adjustments that are happening
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within themselves before I even have to address it.
Speaker 8 (46:47):
So we have a locker room full of.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Adults and and competitors and you know, like minded people
who want to get it done together.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
And you know, as many accolades as has in her career,
I kind of still feel like she's one of the
most underappreciated superstars in the last decade in this league.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 8 (47:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (47:09):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Why is that? Do you think? I mean she's not
She's never named it.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
You know, when you talk about all who are the
greatest players and they'll be NBA over the last ten years,
she should be named, and it seems like she's probably not.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
I don't I don't know why. I think. You know,
sometimes you know, the things that Nikka Nika does on
the floor, it does it doesn't get appreciated because she does.
Speaker 8 (47:32):
It all the time.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Yeah, it's consistently and you know, with Grace and in
her presidential way.
Speaker 8 (47:40):
She plays basketball the right.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Way and she's a winner because of that, but also
the you know, the other things that she does for
this league and for you know, the players and all
of the world. Honestly, she should be acknowledged way more
than what she is. But those who know no the
amount of work that puts in to her her body.
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She's a student of the game. Every off season she's
working on something new and bringing that back to the fold.
I think we need to start giving her her flowers
way more because she is one of the best players
in the world. We don't take it for granted. We
always acknowledge it. I as a coach want to continue
to empower her greatness and just let the players around
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her see the example that she is. But yeah, I
think it's just an expectation that she's going to.
Speaker 8 (48:34):
Necka and I think that.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
We should we should all we should understand that what
she's doing is elite.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
I'm gonna steal that line.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
That's good, Thatcka's just neck is just gonna necax. No
Quinn head coach the Storm ahead of their first home
game of the season, coming up against the Phoenix Mercury
we'll have the broadcast on TV tonight on I on
and UH talk about Skyler Diggan's second year with the team.
What's it like to coach someone that plays with that
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type of passion And let's face it, she plays on
the edge, There's no question about that. How do you
ensure that that passion is always helping the team?
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Yeah, I mean a lot of communication with her, A
lot has gone into building the trust with guy starts
in every off season. Honestly, even prior to her coming
to Seattle, just you know, getting her in free agency,
but understanding that I wanted to create an environment for
her that we can protect her and she can be
one hundred percent authentically herself. She is the leader of
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this team and she has the edge that that is
going to put us over the edge when it comes
to our competitive spirit, our nature, our toughness, the dog
mentality that we so often talk about seat and bodies
that So, you know, I'm glad you're.
Speaker 8 (49:56):
Labeling it as passion.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
That's exactly what it is.
Speaker 8 (49:58):
Yeah, she loves game.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
She's playing for her kids, for her family, She's she's
playing hard and with so much spirit and passion because
that's all she knows. She loves the game so much
and she wants to win, and she's an ultimate competitor.
So there is you know, driving that energy toward always
you know, being basketball focused based you live, you live
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with the you know the other things that come with it.
But I want to I want to fully embrace who
she is, and I think she's done an excellent job
to start this season.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Noell, it was kind of funny. You're reading the national
headlines leading up to the Storm Dallas game, and the
national headlines were, it's Dominique against Page Beckers, It's number
one against number two, And I'm like, Okay, it's really
not going to be like that, because Dominique's got a
much different role with your team than Page Beckers has
with her team because you've got so many veterans up,
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both in the starting lineup and and and on the bench.
So what what is Dominique's role? What do you hope
to see from your number two overall pick by August
this year?
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Yeah, her number one role actually right now is to
dominate the process. And when we talk process, that's like
her development, what she's doing in her PD work, what
she's doing in the film, in her film sessions, what
she's doing in the weight room. It's literally a developmental process.
But also, like you're saying, you know, we have so
many vets on this team compared to the other rookies
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in this league. I know they're they're kind of playing
playing heavy minutes and big minutes because that's what their
team needs. Diminded in a unique situation because she's able
to learn from the greats and greats meaning Mekka the
greats meeting Edsie the Great, meeting skuy Ac, you.
Speaker 8 (51:41):
Know, Gabby.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
So there is a process to this, and I think
by August, you know, I would like to see a
lot of growth and down, whether it's you know, her
comfort level on the court, a little bit more strength
because she's been locked in the weight room, and you know,
just being a little bit more free on the court
and understanding our concepts. It takes time. She's nineteen, and
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we forget that she's a freshman in college, and so you.
Speaker 8 (52:09):
Know, they're going to be.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
Times on the court this season that she's gonna play
a lot. They're gonna be times where those limits may
minutes may be limited because of our matchups. I don't
want to just throw her out there and it but
be not not be conducive.
Speaker 8 (52:24):
To her success.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
So it's gonna take a little time, but I think
gradually we'll see a lot, a lot of growth.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
What do you think about the attention that this league
is getting now? I mean two point seven million people
watch that that sky Fever game this weekend, and but
not all the attention is necessarily just on the basketball.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Some of it is, some of it's not.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
Are you cool if the topic of conversation is, you know,
Caitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese and things that maybe aren't basketball,
because maybe all.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Attentions good attention.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Are you on that or would you like them just
to focus on the basketball?
Speaker 3 (53:01):
The w n b A I know, I mean, you
know from from the jump, you know the w n
b A hasn't only been about the basketball. I think
we've really stood to toe to the ground, about stood
ten toes down about a lot of things that impact
us in this life, social justice issues, voting rights, all
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of those things as well. So I don't want to
say just focused on the basketball, because our athletes aren't
just basketball players. They're well versus grow versus people in
this league, well rounded, very articulated, articulate, very educated, you know,
into fashion, into you know, owning things. So I like
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the attention that it's bringing as far as more viewership
to our game, uh, spreading the word about how good
of a product our game is. You know what comes
with the tension sometimes I call it the backside of
the blessing.
Speaker 8 (54:01):
With the tension comes from.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
The negative energy, and of course we didn't want that
within our game. But we have a league full of
amazing people who are really standing on the right side
of things in life that really matter to us. And
inclusion matters, Treating people the right way matters, live and
right matters. All of those things matter the community. What
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we do in the community serving are underprivileged individuals. So
we're more than just basketball players, and we know that,
and we're going to always stand up for what's right.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Final thing for you, Noel, and we really appreciate Noel Quinn,
head coach the Seattle Storm, joining us ahead of tonight's
game against the Phoenix Mercury. Do revenge games exist or
is it created by the media, created by the fans,
Because let's face it, you guys played you know, you
played a poor game. Game one in Phoenix, But now
less than a week later, you've got an opportunity to
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play the same exact team.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
Again here in Seattle.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
So does that Does that matter that you had that
type of game against that type of team going into
this game tonight.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
I think, you know, the biggest thing is that we're
focused on us, And yeah, I feel.
Speaker 8 (55:11):
Like the media, you know, you guys do a good
job of hype and things, but the.
Speaker 3 (55:19):
Fact of the matter is we weren't ourselves in game
win and we know that, and so for this game,
it's if we want to get back to who we are,
and we know that Phoenix is a really good team,
and we want to make sure that in front of
our fans, we're playing with some good energy, we're locked in,
and we're disciplined. These are things that we weren't really
on day one.
Speaker 8 (55:38):
It just so happens to be we're playing Phoenix again.
You know, it could have been any other opponent.
Speaker 3 (55:42):
And for this particular game, we want to build upon
the things that we did well in Dallas. We want
to put two halves together. We're going to continue to
be a good, really good defensive team. We want to
continue to make sure our offensive space so I think
the biggest thing is is getting growing, you know, from
our last and getting better. It's break by Brick and
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yeah it happens to be Phoenix, and yeah, we want
to make sure that we don't get routed like we
did in game one. Yeah, it's about our approach and
how we.
Speaker 8 (56:13):
Want to show up.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
Great stuff. Can't wait to call the game. We'll see
you in a few Appreciate you joining us, all right,
thanks you you bet. Noel Quayn joining us here on
ninety three point three kJ r f M
Rolling into the five o'clock hour things a couple hours
left of the big show, and then I'll run up
the hill to Climate Pleasu Arena for a little WNBA basketball.
But five o'clock sometimes four o'clock, right, Jackson?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Or do we always do it at five o'clock on
a Friday?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
We always do it at four. Today we're doing it five.
Then today we're doing at five.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
What the heck? But we always do it on Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
It when it's nice and sunny and everybody's in a
good mood, and we find Jackson and I have this big,
long list of different brackets that we want to do,
different topics of conversation, but we usually like to pair
them with current events, something that's going on in the
sports world, either locally or nationally. And so Jackson's bright idea,
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which I think was fantastic, and I signed off on it.
In honor of the Seattle Mariners taking on the bastards
from Houston, the Houston Astros, the trash bangers, we have
decided to put together a bracket of the biggest sports
cheating scandals of this century. So two thousand to two
thousand and twenty five, and we did make a last
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minute alteration, did we not? And I don't know, I
don't even know why that popped into my head, but
he was talking there in the end of the last segment,
and for some reason, Connor Stallions popped into my brain.
I was like, we got to add Connor Stallions, man,
And even though it was only the last couple of years,
we got to add Connor Stowns.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I don't know if you guys either one of it.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Did either one of you guys watch the Netflix documentary
on Connor Stallions in Michigan?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Did you see that? Hugh? No, No, I've intended to.
It's on my list. It's good. No, it's good. It's
very very good.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Connor Stallions interviewed through the whole thing, talks about what
he did.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It's very very interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
So so here's what we got in and before we
before we break down the list here, let's kind of
go around the horn and get our parameters. I'll give
you my two big parameters for what we're looking for,
and then I'll let Hugh and Jackson do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
One. How big was the news story?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Like?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
How big?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
How long did this last in the news cycle? How
much was it talked? About when this scandal was going on.
And then the second one just the egregious nature of
the violation. The bigger the cheating, the bigger the violation,
the scope of the violation that would that would lend
me to vote for that particular person or that particular team.
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So you any other parameters that we should be thinking
about when when discussing.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
The biggest cheaters of the last twenty five years.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Well, before you outlined years, I had three things. Number One,
how widespread is it in terms of the perpetrators. Is
it a solo perpetrator essentially or how many people are involved?
Certainly you know the first two. You know, Lance Armstrong
is essentially why I'm not saying.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
He didn't have.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
You know, attendance with him, but for the most part,
I'm calling him a solo perpetrator versus some of the others.
Number two would be the impact did it affect did
the cheating? How did the cheating affect the outcome the competitors?
Because we're talking about sports cheaters. So is there any
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anybody who won a championship where I could I could
conclude it's more probable than not. Did they won a
championship because of the cheating, so what was the impact?
And then third, you know, I kind of feel compelled
to put geographic considerations or nationality considerations because if you're
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talking about the rupting Russian doping scandal, that's a really
big deal and it involves a lot of people. The
consequences that were a really big deal, and certainly if
it was the United States Olympic team, oh.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Wow, as opposed to the number one seed.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
So so, but.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
But is that really what we want on a Seattle
rated station to put the exact same amount of importance
on the Russian Olympic team as the American Olympic team?
So why considerations should be given in that regard? In
my opinion, that's my methodology, Jackson.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
I think Hugh's second point, I think is my number one.
And I think all of the points you listed are
on my kind of sheet, and I.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Didn't list mine in order of ye priority.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
So I think, for me, like my priority, the number
one thing is did you win a championship because of
your cheating?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Did you get hardware?
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Did you get Accolade's honors parade, whatever? Did you get
that specifically because you cheated? And then everything else is
super meaningful. I hadn't even thought of like the size
of really interesting points from Hugh there. But for me,
it's the number one thing is did you get a
trophy because you cheated?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
All right, well, let's let's start this off. We've got
it was going to be Lance Armstrong the one seed
against eight seed Floyd Landis. We have swapped out Floyd
Landis and replaced him with Connor Stallions and the Michigan
Wolverines of twenty twenty three leading up to, by the way,
their championship game appearance against the Washington Huskies. So that
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adds a little more local flavor to the whole thing.
Jackson will let you, We'll let you start. You're going Lance,
or you're going You're going. Connor Stallions obviously like Lance.
The drugs obviously helped him win Tour de France and
all of that and taking home all the hardware. There
is a case to make that the Michigan Wolverines are
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not even in that championship game if they don't have
all the spying and Connor Stallions doing his thing and
getting the recon and all the information. The Michigan Wolverines
may lose another game or two along the way to
other teams, and therefore they are not in the position
to face the Washington Huskies.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
I'm not even sure who would Who would the Huskies
have faced then Alabama? Right, yes, it would have been
Alabama in the title game. I mean, because that affects
it right as a Husky fan thinking with the Huskies
won a national championship, add the cheating not happened, emotions.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Wait, wait twenty twenty three, who are the Wolverines beat?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
They beat the Washington Huskies in the semi file. In
the semi file Alabama, Alabama and the Rosebright.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
So so the Huskies would have faced Alabama, I'm saying
in the in the national championship then and then so
So the thought for me is, did Michigan's cheating and
another team going in there take away a national championship
from the Huskies. That's an interesting little wrinkles to throw
in this dependon you know what.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
We use emotion in the in voting for this alley.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I mean, the emotion is fine to use in this,
so you can use whatever you want.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
It's actually way closer than I thought this was gonna be.
I am still going Lance Armstrong because we know for sure.
It's just unequivocal that he got the hardware.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Because of it.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
And then it was the lying and it was the livestrong,
and it was everything else on top of it. It
was sort of just wrapped in of like, man, you
were some saint. No you weren't. It's Lanstrong Strong, but
it's barely Lance Armstrong over the eight seed.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
All right, Well, I would like to know when the
Connor Stallions scandal broke and whether or not you know,
at at what point you could say Connor Stallions could
have reasonably impacted games?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Was it the middle of.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
The season, was it early in the season? Was it
like so absence of not.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Knowing the games?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Connor Stallions was no longer with the team.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Okay, so most of the first game, And wasn't that
when Harbaugh was was ineligible as well, he didn't even
coach and three I believe, and what was there? What
was their September schedule? Probably not meaningful, So I would
say that that had the potential to be impactful. But
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I I would say that Lance Armstrong we can say
with near certainty that he would not have won and
not just one, but several Tour de France's h the
premier cycling event, by the.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Way, Michigan was East Carolina UNLV and Bowling Green.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
In light of this information, I'm gonna see Lance Armstrong advance.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
All right, lance Well is two to nothing then, so
we move on. So Lance Armstrong has advanced to the
second round. This one is going to be a fun one.
Patriots on Patriots Crime. The two biggest i mean, the
two biggest scandals in the NFL over the last twenty
five years have both involved the same head coach and
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the same franchise. The spygate is the number four seed.
The Patriots deflate gate is the number five seed. And Hugh,
I'll let you, I'll let you start with this one.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Well, first of all, regarding to flate gate, and I've
read everything there is to know about it, there was
a game that the Patriots played against the Jets, and
Tom Brady, he knows what a football feels like in
terms of the normal pressure, and he was complaining all
game long that that that that ball and by the way,
the Pages won that game, but that that ball felt
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like a brick. And so we have written communication that
they tested those balls the next day and they were
sixteen pounds as opposed to thirteen. That means that ball
felt like it was made of lead. And so all
Brady Ever said is, hey, show me the rule book.
What's the permissible He goes, I want it to be
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near the bottom. That's all he ever. And then, by
the way, if you compare his stats before the flight
gate and after the deflate gate, he's he's been actually better,
He's won more Super Bowls. He's won, he's won he's
at higher passer rated. Like if you if you looked
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at that inflection point and looked at his career and say,
is there any demise in any any regard? The answer
is so I completely minimized the flake. As for spygating,
it could be potentially an issue depending on how they executed.
So I will advance spygate in a clear In a
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clear I don't call victory right.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Right, advancing easily, I'll go next. SPYGATEA occurred during the
two thousand and seven season. Videotaping opposing coaches is not
illegal per se in the NFL. There are designated areas
by the league to do taping, but because the Patriots
were videotaping, the Jets coaches from their own sideline during
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the game. Roger Goodell deemed it to be a violation
of league rules. He fined Bill Belichick a half a
million dollars, which is the maximum fine allowed and the
largest fine ever imposed on a coach in league history.
Also find the Patriots two hundred fifty thousand dollars. I
didn't realize that. I realized, I knew they were both fined.
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I didn't realize Belichick actually got the the twice as
much fine as the.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Team didn't they lose a first round pick.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Tack did they lost their first round pick in two
thousand and eight. It would have been the thirty first
pick in the drafts.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
So they did not win a super Bowl and they
did not win.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
That's correct, and they did not win a Super Bowl.
I just think the the egregious nature of the spygate
supersedes the level of egregiousness in the deflate gate, and
going through that, I just remember how I remember what
my emotions were surrounding both My emotions surrounding Spygate were
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freaking cheaters, dude, like absolute bastard cheaters. Bill Belichick is
Darth Vader, what have you? When we went through the
flate gate. For me, it was kind of a more
fun thing because I didn't like Tom Brady, and so
it's like it's almost like my opinion on the on
almost like the opinion on the NBA. It's it's fun
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to think that the NBA lottery is rigged, and it's
just fun to believe that even though that okay, you
look at the preponderance of the evidence and it's most
likely not rigged. I kind of feel like that a way.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
On the flake gate, it's fun for.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Me to believe that Tom Brady was in the back
room going and having a flat football when we need
when he went out there. I don't actually believe that
it happened, or if it did happen. Even if it
did happen, I don't think the ramifications of a slightly
deflated football make nearly as much of an advantage as
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what the spy as what spygate would be.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Just I mean, you're you're You're both speaking very very
logically and very very reasonably.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I'm not going to use logic and reason. We want
the emotion in the bracket. Absolutely Listen.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
The reality is is that the footballs were altered slightly,
and the New England Pageots went on to win that
AFC Championship game. It got them hardware. Regardless of how
much an impact it was, it got them hardware. And
then they beat the Seattle Seahawks in two weeks later
in the game we all remember, so listen, it may
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not have meant that much. I used the word in
may very intentionally, but at the end of the day,
the Patriots then beat our Seahawks in the Super Bowl
two weeks later.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Who knows how much it.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Meant deflated football. You know what, I don't really care
about that.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
They were okay, you know what it was honestly, and
you know, to the first point you made, Dick, in
terms of the scope of this, how big of a
story is it? How long does this go on? I
feel like deflate gate took over the news cycle for
like a year, it, I mean, and the thing was
spike it. It was kind of like, yes, you did this,
here's your punishments, right, we're done. Like this was it
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was just it wasn't even slap on the wrist. It's
like you're going in the slammer. That's it, end of story.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah to flake gate, you're right, that drug on and
on and on.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Exactly it really did, and it took so long, and
again the reality is like it probably didn't make a difference.
It might have, but it probably didn't make a difference.
But boy, it just felt like a massive scandal at
the time because it wouldn't end. I mean, I think
there was like, wasn't there aly, I think it went
to the US Court of Appeals or something like. It
took so long in the grand scheme of things that
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when it just ends up feeling bigger than it was.
So I mean, I would have voted for deflake Gate
here just for the pure Seahawks fan in me, But
I understand why the logic and reason wins out.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
How about the fact that both of our local teams
and our last appearance in championship games were indirectly involved
in two of these scandals three Yeah, the flake gate
and the flake Gate and Connor's stallions. Now, I will
add this to the spy gay Spygate's gonna move on
as the winner two to one. But some whistleblowers within
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the Patriots organization revealed that videotaping practices went back as
early as the two two thousand season, So the spy
Gate was went on seven years. How many chimp three
championships and another ball So my.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Gosh, oh my go Belichick. Wow.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So the one seed against the five seed. It excuse me,
one seed against the four seed, Lance Armstrong and Spygate.
Move on to the second round. Now let's fit one
more in here. We got fit one more in here,
the number three seed. The team that prompted us to
do this in the first place, The Houston Astros banging
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on the trash cans, Josel. Tuve with his little buzzer
in the in his shirt against Tim Donnahey.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I wonder how.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Many people remember the Tim Donnahy scandal. This was a
two thousand and seven betting scandal. Tim Donnie, NBA official,
caught betting on games he officiated, allegedly using inside information
to do so. He would plead guilty to two federal
charges and served fifteen months in prison a federal prison,
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and it sparked significant changes in referee guidelines, including stricter
rules on gambling and more thorough background check. So I'll
start with this. I'll start here. The Dannahey thing was huge,
There's no question about that. And people had already accused
the NBA of, you know, David Stern of you know,
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the whole lottery is fixed, and now we've got an
official that's cheating on games. The NBA went through a
lot of hard times around this. This was a really
really important, important thing. But back to Jackson's point of
didn't win anybody a championship, I don't necessarily think what
Tim Donnahy did benefited any particular team in the in
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the fact that got them a championship. Whereas the Astros
cheating scandal. Could the Astros have won the World Series
with banging on drums? Yes, will we ever know that?
They would have no impossible to prove. But I do
feel like they were significantly helped in winning that first
championship because of the banging on the drums, because of
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knowing what pitches.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Were coming when they were playing in their home park.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
You well, first of all, as for the Tim donahey,
I didn't write championships down on my methodology. I wrote
impact down, okay, and and impact would include championships, but
it would include more than championships. It's not limited to championships.
So the Donahue incident had the potential to greatly and
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gravely impact the NBA. If there's a belief that the
NBA that the fixes in from officials on the NBA
that could undermine basketball in a way that that far
would exceed the ass we'll call the Astros incident because
it was relatively brief and it was handled right. So
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but it is my sense some nearly twenty years later
that that was short lived. The impact the potential public
confidence in the NBA. I think I think that it
it received a blow, but not terribly significant, not terribly
long lasting, So I think that impact was minimalized. As
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for the Astros, look, I think it's more probable than
not that that they they won a World Series because
of it. Because of it, there was a twenty twenty
investigation by Major League Baseball that that concluded that they
were they were benefiting during the World Series. A J
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hints the manager got fired ultimately because of this. So
I think the impact is really big when you're talking
about when mean the World Series. So yeah, I'll push
on the Astros. Although I could envision a sequence that
could have happened in the dnahe incident where the impact
would have superseded the Astros, I just didn't think it
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met the criterion for me in terms of the impact.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
I'll just quickly say before we break that I think
this is the strongest three seed we've ever had in
the Friday bracket.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Is not even close.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
All right, So we got the Astros moving on. They
will face the winner of the Mitchell Report steroid scandal
and the Russian doping scandal that kept the entire Russian
Olympic team out of last year's Summer Olympics. We'll do
that next on ninety three point three KJFM.
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Speaker 1 (19:57):
Continuing our Biggest Sports Eating Scandals of this century bracket.
We are now to the final of the first round,
the two seed against the seventh seed. We have the
Mitchell Report against the two seed, Mitchell Report against the
seventh seed, Russian doping band. Let's start with a Russian
doping ban the seventh seed. I was incorrect, It was
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not the twenty twenty four Olympics. They were banned because
of because of doping. It was the Ukraine. They were
banned from twenty twenty four. In twenty nineteen they went
through a four year ban of all international competition and
they the peeled down to two.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
It was appealed down to two, but.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
They missed out on the twenty twenty Olympics. So Russia
hasn't participated in a long time for various for rarest reasons.
And if you just look up Russian doping on Wikipedia,
it would literally take you twenty minutes to read the page.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It is immy.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
It goes for decades and decades and decades, so it's
not really an isolated case. But we are talking about
their suspension in twenty nineteen against the mid Report, guys,
and the two seed Mitchell Report. Back in two thousand
and three, George Mitchell, for former Senate Majority leader, became
the lead person on this report. He says that five
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to seven percent of players in random testing tested positive
for steroid use. Players on the forty man roster of
Major league teams were exempt from testing until two thousand
and four, but after mandatory random testing began in two
thousand and four, then HGH became the substance amongst choice
because it was not detectable on test. But the report
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noted that at least one player from every single team
right was involved in the alleged violations. We know what
the offensive numbers did in Major League baseball for about
a ten year span. They were absolutely off the charts.
I'll start with this one. I'm gonna pick the Mitchell
Report for the main reason was is because it was
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kind of consolidated, right. It was one it was one
era of baseball where we saw a spike, we saw
then the tests coming in and the spike went back
down again, and now, my god, we're praying.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
For runs in Major League baseball when we used.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
To see nine to eight games all the time in
Major League Baseball, and the offense just got absolutely out
of hand. And it was obviously due to due to
the steroids. Whereas as I just mentioned the Russian doping guys,
I mean that, I mean that's been going on for
decades and decades and decades and decades. We're just happening
to pick a little small chunk of it.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
That's fair.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
I think I think that's that's fair reason to vote
for Mitchell Report. I would say, we're talking about a country. Yeah,
and we're talking about so many athletes across so many competitions,
good who had one previous competitions, literally taking trophies out
of their hands. And when we talk about hardware, which
is my number one criteria here, that is hardware won
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by Russians for countless years.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
How in America didn't win a goal not because of Russia,
because of Russian doping.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
So literally it's the Russian doping that them that won
them hardware.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
And the Mitchell part like again, like what you said, Dick,
every team had one. So at the end of the day,
like whoever wins the World Series, they got steroid users
on them, so that every team has them.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
So it's not it's it's completely different. So I'm going
with the entire.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Country that took home hardware and that lost out on
the hardware because of their because of what happened their
four years.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
But do your band, It's up to you to breaker.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
I'm a big fan of the Olympics as an institution,
what it represents, So I think that anything that desecrates
the Olympics, I think is very significant. I I I
think that it's very difficult to gauge the impact of
the scandal. First of all, if you write it down
like a mathematical equation, you put United States Olympic team
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being banned, and then on the opposite side of that
you put Russian Olympic team being banned.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Do you put an.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Equals in between those two or do you put a
greater than sign between those two?
Speaker 7 (24:15):
Right?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Because I put a great I put a greater.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Than sign because of me as as as a as
an American sports fan, I just think it's a bigger
It would be a bigger story if it happened to
American Olympic team benefit. So so there's that factor the
other part of it, and I think kind of alluded
to it. I think trying to to somehow gauge the
impact of the of the Russian scandal. I don't know
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if that's caused other teams to stop doing the cheating
they're doing, and so it's a little bit like trying
to nail jelly to a tree trying to gauge the
impact here. So in light of that, I can look
at the Mitchell Report, and I could I could see
that there was ramp at steroid use before the Mitchell Report,
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and that put young athletes. Let's say, your son, your
son Dixon's a golfer, but just imagine he's a he's
in a single a baseball team or whatever, and you
open the trunk and he's got a syringe of steroids
that you know, we're not going to get into all
of the health consequences. And he just looks at and
he says, Dad, my power numbers are really close. Everybody
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else is doing it, and it's just what I have
to do to compete to try you to get to
the big leagues. So that is a really big deal,
and I had it's a lot easier to assess the
impact of the Mitchell Report and the busting the humiliation. Look,
I get it, Roger and Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitt, Jason Giammy,
David Justice. There's a lot of guys that won world
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titles that were deemed guilty of steroid use. But I
can see a clear line after the Mitchell Report of
the apparent use of steroids. So in that in that context,
I do think the Olympics are bigger than Major League Baseball.
But for the for the reasons I described, I'm putting
forth the Mitchell All.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Right, top four seeds.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Top four seeds move on number one against number four,
Lance Armstrong against the Patriots. Spygate, Jackson, you start, spygate
was regular season?
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Right?
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Regular season games confirmed in terms of confirmed they were
where they were illegally filming the coaches they were those were,
Those were confirmed to be regular season games.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I believe I would have to double check to see
if there's any playoff games there, but yeah, I believe
it was regular.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
When we talk about hardware, regular season games don't get
you nothing. And we know that Lance Armstrong has a
lot of hardware because of what he did. Lance Armstrong
to the final, Okay, Hugh.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Uh, Well, I look at this.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
I'm not a cycling fan that you know, who wins
the Tour de France doesn't really intrigue me. But I
understand it's the super Bowl of that sport, and I
understand it's a lot bigger in Europe. And I understand
that Lance Armstrong won seven consecutive Tour de Frances and
I think the overwhelming evidence, if nothing else, just common
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sense tells you he would have won none of them
without the doping. I think for the you know, for
what it's worth, the French, who are already have been skeptical,
you know, I would say skeptical, but reticent to Americans
for decades, if not centuries. I think there was an
immense black eye in some sense that he's an American
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staining a French event. So for those reasons, yeah, Lance
Armstrong and his scandal advances.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I'm gonna use the word scope to define why I'm
going to bet the way I'm or the vote.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
The way I'm going to vote.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
The NFL is a fifty thousand pound boulder. The world
of cycling is a pee, and yet the Lance Armstrong
scandal took that pee and made it a fifty thousand
pound boulder. The attention on Lance Armstrong and that scandal
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was unbelievable, whereas the Spygate thing was we were talking
about the NFL anyway, and Spygate was a story on
Sports Center every night, but it wasn't always the story.
Lance Armstrong was the story for a long long time.
So I will bet, I will vote Lance Armstrong movie.
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It's a great point.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Okay, let's try to in two minutes to start to
get through this final one here, because we have astros,
the three Seed versus Mitchell Report, the two Seeds.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
To face Lance Armstrong in the final. Astro's cheating scandal
and Mitchell Mitchell Report Dick because the Mitchell Report, in
my was was more across the board, and it depends
off you want to use scope or it depends on
you if you want to use giving a team advantage,
and I'm going to I'm going to supersede giving a
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team an advantage over scope because I think the Mitchell
Report was a bigger deal. It was the bigger scope,
but it didn't give one team a championship. So I'm
actually going to vote for the Astros cheating scandal of
the Mitchell Report because it was one team doing it
and that one team happened to win the World Series.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Hugh Well, I look at the Astros and I and
if it was a civil burden of proof, the proponnance
of the evidence, I think it would say the Astros
won the World Series because of that. If it was
a criminal burden of proof, which is beyond a reasonable
doubt for me, I don't think that I would say
beyond a reasonable doubt they they would not have won
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it but for the cheating. So I think there's some
ambiguity there. The Mitchell Report for reasons described I think
was a very weighty property with the use of steroids
by baseball players was a big deal and and the
Mitchell Report eradicated that was a sub substantive change in baseball.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
And so in my opinion, I'm putting the Mitchell Report first.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Jacksons to break the tie and send somebody to the finals.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
At the end of the day, the number one thing
on my list is did you get hardware because of
your cheating? And if every team has a steroid user.
We look at the World Series champions, and we look
at the Yankees, and you know, the Angels beating the Giants,
so Bonds didn't get a title in O two, the
Marlins over the Yankees, Red Sox over those. If all
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those teams had had steroid users, then doesn't give one
the advantage massively over the other. Houston cheating and they
won two World Series, they went to what four World Series?
I mean that is directly related to their cheating in
multiple different I know the buzzer wasn't confirmed, but in
multiple ways they cheated to win at least four American
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League penets and maybe the two World Series titles. You
can include into that for my money because of my criteria.
It's the Astros the three seed to the final.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Lance Armstrong against the Astros. We'll do the final coming
up next on ninety three point three KJRFM.
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Speaker 2 (31:22):
There's a good one. Good work Jackson coming up.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
With this UH bracket for today, the biggest ports cheating
scandal of this century. We've gotten down to the one seed,
Lance Armstrong against the three seed Astros.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Jackson, you get to go first.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
We've used the courtroom analogy a few times here, Dura
over the course of this hour. On the bracket, you're honor.
I'd like to present some evidence. The Houston Astros have
two World Series championships in twenty seventeen in twenty twenty two,
and I think the players who were part of that
twenty two team were on that seventeen team. You'd say
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you didn't cheat in twenty two and all that stuff.
I do not see evidence against that. You stop your cheating.
So there's that two points.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Also that the fact that they also made two other
World Series Championships while they were cheating, in nineteen and
in twenty one. Again the evidence lacking of the buzzer,
but still you have your damn trash can.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
And the third point, your honor.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
During today's game between the Mastros and Mariners, it is
Star Wars night, and up on the jumbo tron, while
cal Rawley was batting, they put a picture of Jaba
the hut, your honor. This blasphemy will not stand.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I will not stand for the cal Rawley derogatory image
on your scoreboard. Houston Astros take the l They take
the championship. Here in the biggest source, chef scandle you
won your titles because of trash cans. Jackson Pocus for
the three seed, the Astros cheating scandal. I am looking
at the Lance Armstrong situation. I'm reading more about it.
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I am remembering things from it. For example, the the
Nike ads, the libs Strong, I mean millions and millions
and millions of dollars pumped in all due to a
guys and a guys that he vehemently supported and attacked
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anyone who had the gall to call him a cheater
for years and years and years and years. And then
on January thirteenth, twenty thirteen, on the Oprah Winfrey Show,
he would come on and state that his quote mythic
perfect story was one big lie, and he also admitted
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that he had been cheating since he was twenty one
years of age. Bikes decades long, seven seven Tour de
Front's championships.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
It took.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
It was the biggest story in cycling, which was a
nothing sport. Overall, give me, Lance Armstang.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
He was to finish it. You get the okay, all right?
Speaker 4 (34:03):
I would just say this, As for the astros, I
would ask you what person has had their life turned
upside down because of that scandal? Just when a'l tuo
v maybe he gets booed a little bit here or there.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Like like.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
By contrast, when you think of this whole thing was
called a scandal. A scandal not part of this contest
and part of the wording of this if you if
you just look up any definition of scandal, Lance Armstrong,
he transcended sports. You mentioned Oprah.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
He's on.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
It was on Oprah. This is national news. This was
on some regard a stain on the United States because
an American had infiltrated a European primarily European sport and
had uh you know, come out and one seventh straight
all through doping. What was the consequence? Were the Astro
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stripped of their word series title?
Speaker 6 (35:03):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I mean you had suspensions for the GM and the manager.
They weren't. They were fired by their own teams. Are fine? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
By contrast, Lance Armstrong had all seven of his victory stripped.
He was banned from the sport for life. He was
ordered to pay ten million dollars in a in a
lawsuit involving promotions. He agreed to pay another five million
to the US government to settle whistleblower lawsuit on broad
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In it so to me, when you talk about scandal,
you take a prominent, recognizable athlete to the level of
Lance Armstrong and you completely turn his life entirely upside down.
In what I think had A was a scandal that
had a far broader context than the Astros scandal, particularly
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if you consider from a world perspective.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Well went pretty chalky, but it was good. The one, two, three,
and four advance, then the one versus the three and
the one ends up winning. Lance Armstrong, Congratulations, we've brought
you back in the news here fifteen years later, five
point fifty four on ninety three point three KJRFM, when
we come back, uh, the head coach of the Seattle Storm,
Gabby Williams of the Seattle Storms. We get set for
the home opener coming up at seven o'clock on ninety
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three point three KJRFM. The Storm tonight getting set in
about an hour against Phoenix at Climate Pledge Arena in
the home opener seven o'clock. You can watch me in
a lease on I on TV and join us right
now from the Seattle Storm. I call her g dubb
Gabby Williams.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
How you doing, Gabby?
Speaker 7 (36:38):
I'm doing I'm doing Gray.
Speaker 8 (36:39):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
You don't mind that name, do you? I call you
that on the air sometimes when I'm calling games. It
just kind of it just seems to flow for me.
Speaker 7 (36:46):
I love it all right, Thanks that it goes though
with the hype absolutely, yeah, you know, just talk about
the buzz surrounding this team, which is big always.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Every single year. You're gonna have a packed house tonight.
This is just just what we do here in Seattle
for women's basketball. You know you've been around this league.
What makes this city and this fan base unique in
this league?
Speaker 7 (37:10):
I mean even just driving around seeing all the Storm fans,
I mean that's just so different. It's it feels like
it's a part of the city's culture, not just basketball culture.
And I think that's what's so special. It's what like
Droomy to coming to Seattle for sure, and it's what's
It's a big reason of what's kept me here is
I just love being a part of this and you
just always feel like you're a part of history when
you play for the Seattle Storm.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Absolutely, and you know this this beast see us Storm
Center for Basketball performance.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I mean it's you know, really first of its kind.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
There are other teams that are copying this, this franchise
for obvious reasons and building their own. But you know,
with a with a collective bargain agreement coming up at
the end of this year, and free agency is just
going to be massive, Like almost the entire league's a
free agent at the at the end of this season,
how much of an impact not only will the Storm
fans and the reputation Storm fans have and in a
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State the our Climate Pledge Arena. But how much of
an impact and free agency do you think that Storm
Center for Basketball Performance will have as well?
Speaker 7 (38:08):
Well, we're setting the standard now. I mean this is
teams and players won't want to settle for anything less.
I think once they've seen this. I know, I don't.
I know I don't want to go anywhere else after
being here because I don't think I'll ever find anything
better than this. And I think what the Storm and
what our ownership and our sponsors are doing, I mean,
they're creating something that people like you can only get here,
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they can only get in Seattle, and it'll force other
teams to have to step up to our level.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Gabby Williams joining us ahead of the Storm game against
Phoenix tonight at Climate Pledge Arena at seven o'clock. And Gabby,
this league's getting so much attention by my two point
seven million fans watch the Sky and the Fever this
last weekend. But the attention isn't always about basketball. Sometimes
it's about basketball, but it's not always about basketball. Do
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you like the attention the league is getting, even though
it's not all always necessarily focused on what's going on
on the floor.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Basketball wise, well.
Speaker 7 (39:05):
The WNBA has always been kind of the forefront on
things that happen outside of just basketball, you know, being
more than just an athlete, and using our voices to
push you know, whatever narratives or whatever social causes or
anything that we feel passionate about. So I think it's
great that the conversation isn't just about basketball, because it's
it's never been that way with the WNBA, and I
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think we've always women have always been proud leaders in
these aspects.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Gabby Williams joining us.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
You played for the French national team this year and
you were oh so close to just dethroning the queens
of basketball in the United States a one point loss
in that gold medal game. You know, what does that
say about international women's basketball that your team can come
within one point of dethroning the American giant in the Olympics.
Speaker 7 (39:55):
I think it's going to be super motivating for the
young girls who are starting basketball in Europe and and
especially in France. I know it's always kind of always
been a soccer and handball, so it's great to see
basketball now getting the same popularity in France especially and
just seeing more players come over Stateside now and playing here,
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and I think that's going to help us grow because
you know, all the best coaches and the best trainers,
and you know a lot of them are in the States.
So it's great that now a lot of French players
will come and learn from the people here.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
You did not fly under the radar at all in
the Olympics, but your teammate, who is now also a
Storm teammate did. She didn't get a ton of playing
time in the Olympics, but she's the number two overall
pick in the draft. Tell us about Dominique Maloga and
just what she's all about, and when you first met
her and kind of started noticing how great a player
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she could be.
Speaker 7 (40:51):
Yeah, we always knew she was going to be great
for sure, even when she was you know what was
she was sixteen years old. I think when I joined
the team in Leone, you already knew that she was
going to have a huge future, especially in the WNBA.
But what really impressed me is just the growth that
she's had just in this last year. I mean, she
just she's getting better at such an incredible rate right now,
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and so even just the past few weeks seeing her
grow even more here in Seattle and learning all these
new things and ticking them up so quickly, so I
don't even recognize her sometimes because I'm like, this isn't
the Tom that I knew three years ago. So I'm
just excited to see her growth continue.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
Well.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah, the first time I saw her in person, you know,
last week, I came to practice and I mean there
was like three different moments during practice I was like, WHOA.
I didn't know someone that tall, that long could make
a move like that. And I think there's going to
be a lot of wow moments for you for the
Storm Final a couple of minutes with Gabby Williams here
joining us. Gaby, are we getting to a point now,
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especially with the new CBA coming and more TV money coming,
that fewer and fewer players will even play overseas anymore?
I mean you've got a situation with your team that
two of your players on your raws aren't playing for
the Storm this year because they got injuries overseas.
Speaker 7 (42:07):
Yeah, I mean I think we're we're already saying it.
I Mean, the in EuroLeague we have, we didn't have
a lot of Americans or a lot of WNBA players
even in your league. This year in France, I don't
think there were any WNBA players, and if there were,
they left, they weren't there the whole season, right Besides,
like the acts the French players that were there. So yeah,
we're going to see a lot more people come stateside,
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and I'm happy to see that the WNBA is finally
making an effort to appeal to them versus punishing them,
right because before we were punished for playing overseas without
having the reward on the backside. And I think now
the WNBA is trying to say, look, we're trying. We're
going to entice you to come. We're going to give
you better salaries, We're going to give you a reason
to come here, and that will bring players versus just
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punishing them for being a day late or something.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Well, and you guys are earning that reason because you know,
it all comes down to eyeballs and how many people
are watching your games. And then so many more people
are watching your games because if players like you that
are exciting and doing more things on the floor that
wasn't happening ten or fifteen years ago. Final thing for you, Gabby,
all right, what needs to happen this year for the
Storm to go from a playoff team, which you were
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last year, to a championship caliber team that I know
y'all want to be.
Speaker 7 (43:19):
I think it's going to be our discipline, our discipline,
and our culture, and those are the things that we've
been emphasizing from day one, because those are the things
that if shots aren't falling or whatever's happening, the ball
sometimes are bound to certain ways. But those are the
things that you can always have and you can always
rely on, and those are things that create championship teams.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
I think awesome.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Best of luck to you tonight. I can't wait to
go up there and call the game, and best of
luck to you this season. Appreciate you joining me.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Thank you you bet.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Gabby Williams here on ninety three point three KJRFM, now
the head coach of the Seattle Storm, joins us ahead
of game number one at Climate Pledge Arena this year.
Noel Quinn, who just got her seventy fifth win this
week as a head coach of the Seattle Storm and
very easily could get to number two on that all
time wins list this season.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
How you doing, coach?
Speaker 8 (44:08):
That's too bad?
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Hey, let's talk about the person that I just talked
to and that and that's Gabby Williams. Just give us
your impression as her head coach and what impresses you
most most about her?
Speaker 8 (44:20):
A lot of things. Honestly, her number one role is
to be.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
A world class prints army knife. When I say world class,
I think of just about how she is as an
individual to start there from you know, the way that
she communicates and is an amazing teammate, to the way
that she prepares her mind body for for these games.
She's an elite athlete, but also she's she's a winner.
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She's very committed to the process, and you know, and
of course he's so versatile putting her in multiple positions
having regard multiple people.
Speaker 8 (44:57):
She does it with pride.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
She doesn't have an ego about it selfless. She she
really works hard every single day and is committed to
the process and committed to us. And for her to
continue to choose us, whether it's you know, twelve games,
fifteen games, or this this year an entire season. I mean,
she's a world class individual and I'm so happy that
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she's with.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Us, and she's just part of that that veteran corps
that you have, and that veteran corps came together in
game number two. I mean, obviously game number one was
not the way that anybody wanted it to go in
that lost to Phoenix, but the bounce back, and I
thought it was interesting how you mentioned in the in
the pregame press conference before the Dallas game that you
didn't need to be hard on this team after game
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number one because they were hard enough on themselves. And
I watched I watched Neca and and in Skyler after
that game number one, and they were pissed. And so,
you know, how is how refreshing is that that you
don't have to come down on this team because you've
just got these all pros, all star vets that just
know how to handle bad situations.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Yeah, it's been great, honestly because they've been coaching themselves
and they hold themselves to such a high standard and
accountability that's taking place, but the communication that's taking place,
they're all on one accord. There's so much alignment happening.
So like I said that pressor, you know, I don't
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have to, you know, say what's already been said. Sometimes,
you know, sometimes I'm coming to the huddles and they've
already addressed you know, what is going on the court,
and so for me, it's it's it's beautiful to see honestly,
you know, them just talking to each other at the
communication level and the real time adjustments that are happening
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within themselves before I even have to address it.
Speaker 8 (46:47):
So we have a locker room full of.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Adults and and competitors and you know, like minded people
who want to get it done together.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
And you know, as many accolades as has in her career,
I kind of still feel like she's one of the
most underappreciated superstars in the last decade in this league.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 8 (47:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (47:09):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Why is that? Do you think? I mean she's not
She's never named it.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
You know, when you talk about all who are the
greatest players and they'll be NBA over the last ten years,
she should be named, and it seems like she's probably not.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
I don't I don't know why. I think. You know,
sometimes you know, the things that Nikka Nika does on
the floor, it does it doesn't get appreciated because she does.
Speaker 8 (47:32):
It all the time.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Yeah, it's consistently and you know, with Grace and in
her presidential way.
Speaker 8 (47:40):
She plays basketball the right.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Way and she's a winner because of that, but also
the you know, the other things that she does for
this league and for you know, the players and all
of the world. Honestly, she should be acknowledged way more
than what she is. But those who know no the
amount of work that puts in to her her body.
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She's a student of the game. Every off season she's
working on something new and bringing that back to the fold.
I think we need to start giving her her flowers
way more because she is one of the best players
in the world. We don't take it for granted. We
always acknowledge it. I as a coach want to continue
to empower her greatness and just let the players around
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her see the example that she is. But yeah, I
think it's just an expectation that she's going to.
Speaker 8 (48:34):
Necka and I think that.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
We should we should all we should understand that what
she's doing is elite.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
I'm gonna steal that line.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
That's good, Thatcka's just neck is just gonna necax. No
Quinn head coach the Storm ahead of their first home
game of the season, coming up against the Phoenix Mercury
we'll have the broadcast on TV tonight on I on
and UH talk about Skyler Diggan's second year with the team.
What's it like to coach someone that plays with that
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type of passion And let's face it, she plays on
the edge, There's no question about that. How do you
ensure that that passion is always helping the team?
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Yeah, I mean a lot of communication with her, A
lot has gone into building the trust with guy starts
in every off season. Honestly, even prior to her coming
to Seattle, just you know, getting her in free agency,
but understanding that I wanted to create an environment for
her that we can protect her and she can be
one hundred percent authentically herself. She is the leader of
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this team and she has the edge that that is
going to put us over the edge when it comes
to our competitive spirit, our nature, our toughness, the dog
mentality that we so often talk about seat and bodies
that So, you know, I'm glad you're.
Speaker 8 (49:56):
Labeling it as passion.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
That's exactly what it is.
Speaker 8 (49:58):
Yeah, she loves game.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
She's playing for her kids, for her family, She's she's
playing hard and with so much spirit and passion because
that's all she knows. She loves the game so much
and she wants to win, and she's an ultimate competitor.
So there is you know, driving that energy toward always
you know, being basketball focused based you live, you live
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with the you know the other things that come with it.
But I want to I want to fully embrace who
she is, and I think she's done an excellent job
to start this season.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Noell, it was kind of funny. You're reading the national
headlines leading up to the Storm Dallas game, and the
national headlines were, it's Dominique against Page Beckers, It's number
one against number two, And I'm like, Okay, it's really
not going to be like that, because Dominique's got a
much different role with your team than Page Beckers has
with her team because you've got so many veterans up,
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both in the starting lineup and and and on the bench.
So what what is Dominique's role? What do you hope
to see from your number two overall pick by August
this year?
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Yeah, her number one role actually right now is to
dominate the process. And when we talk process, that's like
her development, what she's doing in her PD work, what
she's doing in the film, in her film sessions, what
she's doing in the weight room. It's literally a developmental process.
But also, like you're saying, you know, we have so
many vets on this team compared to the other rookies
(51:26):
in this league. I know they're they're kind of playing
playing heavy minutes and big minutes because that's what their
team needs. Diminded in a unique situation because she's able
to learn from the greats and greats meaning Mekka the
greats meeting Edsie the Great, meeting skuy Ac, you.
Speaker 8 (51:41):
Know, Gabby.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
So there is a process to this, and I think
by August, you know, I would like to see a
lot of growth and down, whether it's you know, her
comfort level on the court, a little bit more strength
because she's been locked in the weight room, and you know,
just being a little bit more free on the court
and understanding our concepts. It takes time. She's nineteen, and
(52:05):
we forget that she's a freshman in college, and so you.
Speaker 8 (52:09):
Know, they're going to be.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
Times on the court this season that she's gonna play
a lot. They're gonna be times where those limits may
minutes may be limited because of our matchups. I don't
want to just throw her out there and it but
be not not be conducive.
Speaker 8 (52:24):
To her success.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
So it's gonna take a little time, but I think
gradually we'll see a lot, a lot of growth.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
What do you think about the attention that this league
is getting now? I mean two point seven million people
watch that that sky Fever game this weekend, and but
not all the attention is necessarily just on the basketball.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Some of it is, some of it's not.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
Are you cool if the topic of conversation is, you know,
Caitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese and things that maybe aren't basketball,
because maybe all.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Attentions good attention.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Are you on that or would you like them just
to focus on the basketball?
Speaker 3 (53:01):
The w n b A I know, I mean, you
know from from the jump, you know the w n
b A hasn't only been about the basketball. I think
we've really stood to toe to the ground, about stood
ten toes down about a lot of things that impact
us in this life, social justice issues, voting rights, all
(53:22):
of those things as well. So I don't want to
say just focused on the basketball, because our athletes aren't
just basketball players. They're well versus grow versus people in
this league, well rounded, very articulated, articulate, very educated, you know,
into fashion, into you know, owning things. So I like
(53:46):
the attention that it's bringing as far as more viewership
to our game, uh, spreading the word about how good
of a product our game is. You know what comes
with the tension sometimes I call it the backside of
the blessing.
Speaker 8 (54:01):
With the tension comes from.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
The negative energy, and of course we didn't want that
within our game. But we have a league full of
amazing people who are really standing on the right side
of things in life that really matter to us. And
inclusion matters, Treating people the right way matters, live and
right matters. All of those things matter the community. What
(54:23):
we do in the community serving are underprivileged individuals. So
we're more than just basketball players, and we know that,
and we're going to always stand up for what's right.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Final thing for you, Noel, and we really appreciate Noel Quinn,
head coach the Seattle Storm, joining us ahead of tonight's
game against the Phoenix Mercury. Do revenge games exist or
is it created by the media, created by the fans,
Because let's face it, you guys played you know, you
played a poor game. Game one in Phoenix, But now
less than a week later, you've got an opportunity to
(54:55):
play the same exact team.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
Again here in Seattle.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
So does that Does that matter that you had that
type of game against that type of team going into
this game tonight.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
I think, you know, the biggest thing is that we're
focused on us, And yeah, I feel.
Speaker 8 (55:11):
Like the media, you know, you guys do a good
job of hype and things, but the.
Speaker 3 (55:19):
Fact of the matter is we weren't ourselves in game
win and we know that, and so for this game,
it's if we want to get back to who we are,
and we know that Phoenix is a really good team,
and we want to make sure that in front of
our fans, we're playing with some good energy, we're locked in,
and we're disciplined. These are things that we weren't really
on day one.
Speaker 8 (55:38):
It just so happens to be we're playing Phoenix again.
You know, it could have been any other opponent.
Speaker 3 (55:42):
And for this particular game, we want to build upon
the things that we did well in Dallas. We want
to put two halves together. We're going to continue to
be a good, really good defensive team. We want to
continue to make sure our offensive space so I think
the biggest thing is is getting growing, you know, from
our last and getting better. It's break by Brick and
(56:02):
yeah it happens to be Phoenix, and yeah, we want
to make sure that we don't get routed like we
did in game one. Yeah, it's about our approach and
how we.
Speaker 8 (56:13):
Want to show up.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
Great stuff. Can't wait to call the game. We'll see
you in a few Appreciate you joining us, all right,
thanks you you bet. Noel Quayn joining us here on
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