May 30, 2025 • 36 mins
In the third hour, Dick Fain and Hugh Millen talk to Kraken Voice Everett Fitzhugh about Seattle’s new Head Coach Lane Lambert hired yesterday, then discuss who one outlet named the greatest Seahawks player of all time and their sports hatred for the Thunder.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Our friend Everett fits you right now. Oh there's the music.
There's the cracking music.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Kind it makes me sounds like Mike Ben should be
taken over for cracking pre game right now when you're
playing this love it Everett.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
How you doing man, Hey man.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
I'm doing well. Anytime I hear that music, it's like,
oh yeah, it's so weird. You know, it's working in sports.
The off season is so sudden, right Like you're working
one day and then the next day you're done for
five months and then it's just like, all right, well,
I guess I'll go to a baseball game. I'll do
something for half a year. But no, it feels good
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to finally have something to talk about again.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
And what we have to talk about is the new
head coach, Lane Lambert. And let's just start with why
you think the Seattle Kraken were intrigued in this associate
coach for the Toronto Maple Leafs.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I think there's a couple of factors here for me.
I think number one, you listen to Ron France and
Jason Bosherl and the vision for this team moving forward,
and obviously it's one where they want to be focused
on offense, but they want to get back to their
strong defensive structure that we saw the first couple of
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years with the Kraken. I mean two years ago, the
Kracking were the only team in the NHL in the
top ten in defense to not make the playoffs. And
they got away from that a little bit. They were
a hard team to play against, and you always heard
from opposing coaches you know, they're a little bit unlucky
right now. They're not scoring the goals at the rate
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that they would like, but man, they are tough to
play against. We hate playing against Seattle because they're always
going to outwork you and you didn't hear. I think
the Kracking got away from that a little bit last season.
So enter Lane Lambert, who is known for his defensive acuity,
who is known for having a structured system. And I
think for a team like Seattle, who doesn't have know
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as our good friend Ian Ferness would say, he doesn't
have the the aircraft care, you don't have that elite
level of player. There's no McKinnon McDavid, there's no dry
title on this team. But what you do have is
a lot of really good players. A really good veteran
Cory a really good group of young players, and if
you can get them to work within the particular system,
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it's going to be a hard system. But if you
can get them to work and play in a structured way,
the offense will follow. And that's why you'll say a
lot of times, if you want to have good, good offense,
you have to be good in your defensive zone as well.
And we saw the crack can get away from that
this past year.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
So let's go.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Back to a year ago when the Jettison hacked All
and they bring in Dan Bosma, right, And I thought
that I heard that a big part of it is
that they want to open up the ice that they
want to they want to be more dynamic offensively.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Am I misremembering? Uh that?
Speaker 5 (03:00):
To quote what was Roger Clemens? Am I misremembering? Do
I have part of that?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Right? Vert?
Speaker 5 (03:08):
And if so, kind of for a fan who might
be saying, Okay, what's the philosophy here, it seemed like you're, well,
the defense was great, but we need more offense. Now
we whack another guy after one season, we want to
go back to defense.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Just kind of sort that out for us.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, no, you're you're not misremembering at all. And I think,
you know, for Dan, coming off of two really successful
years in the AHL, getting back behind an NHL bench,
you know, he'd won a Stanley Cup, he'd won the
Jack Adams. You know, he had been in charge of
some really good Penguins teams. The offensive production I think
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was there compared to the year before. Obviously it wasn't
good enough, but I think m Kraken went from twenty
third in the league in offense in the twenty three
twenty four seasons they were I think fifth teenth fourteenth
this year. So your offense improved marginally a little bit,
but where you did take a big dip was defensively.
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So you're not misremembering. But it's gonna sound confusing, But
when you talk about playing a quick north to south game,
when you talk about, you know, finding the puck in
your defensive zone, smothering the other team in your defensive zone,
essentially what that is is if you play with the puck,
your offense is gonna follow. So when you're in the
defensive zone, when you're making it hard on the other
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team to get a line change on the ice, when
you're moving the puck up the ice, quickly catching teams
in transition. When you're attacking the net. That all starts
with strong play in the defensive zone. You're wearing the
other teams down. You look at the Edmonton Oilers, right,
you're gonna keep McDavid in dry siddle on the ice.
You're gonna force them to go for long shifts. Well,
then now they're gonna have to maybe take that extra beat.
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When you're coming back up the ice, they're gonna be
looking to get off the ice because you've hemmed been
in so long. You've made life so challenging for them
in their offensive zone. And a lot of times that's
how your offense will start. Is if you can have
a really strong, structured defensive style, the offense will follow.
And that is what you're looking for for Lane Lambert.
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I think offensively, the Maple Leafs, the Islanders, the Capitols,
all teams that he was a part of their coaching staffs,
you saw a strong defensive play ultimately leading to a
number of positives in their offensive categories.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Why was he fired?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I mean he makes the playoffs his first year twenty
twenty two to twenty three, and then in the second year.
I mean they're halfway through the season, they're nineteen fifteen
and eleven. And I mean, it's not like it was
a terrible season.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Why was he fired?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah, you know, that's a very interesting question, and that's
the question that I don't think we've ever really gotten
an answer to. You know, I was listening to Jordan
Everley's hit earlier today on Ian Show, and he was
talking about when he was on Long Island playing for
the Islanders and the way that he coached and the
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way that players responded to him. And I think, you know,
the the Lane Lambert that maybe you see in the media,
you see in public, isn't the Lane Lambert that the
players see in the locker room. And by and large,
a lot of folks who who you talk to when
you listen to and you go back and read, they
liked having him on the staff. A lot of Islanders
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liked playing for Lane Lambert. So it had to have
been a managerial difference up in the front office, right
Lou Lamarillo, the longtime GM president GM in the NHL,
he's known for running a tight secretive ship. And you know,
this is obviously just my speculation, and having never been
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in an Islander's boardroom or locker room or anything like that.
But to me, there had to have been some difference,
some not seeing eye to eye on those on that part,
because you're right, he was sixty one, forty and twenty,
he was coming off of a playoff run. He had
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a number of good years as an associate coach. He
helped the Islanders to back to back Eastern Conference finals
when he was all Long Island as well. So to
fire him after a year and a half in favor
of Patrick Wah, I get Patrick Wah is a big name.
He's a little bit more media savvy, a little bit
more media friendly in that regard. So you know, it
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was a head scratcher to a lot of people when
he was fired, for sure. Up in Long Island.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Everett fits you with us, and we're discussing the coaching
change with the Krack and Everett. Yesterday we had a
nice chat with Mike Benton and he cited one of
the two reasons along with defense that you cided, he
cited one of the reasons for the change was to
steward the young players that are presumed to be up
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and coming. Just kind of talk about what what does
that mean to you, how important is that and describe
to us the primacy of that particular aspect.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Well, I think that's big too. And and and when
you listen to Ron Francis and Jason boscherl a number
of players folks in this front office, the plan from
day one has always been to build from within. You
want to have sustain success from within your own organization.
You want to build from a strong draft class. You
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want to have a good minor league system. You want
to have good amateur scouts who can keep the cupboard stocks.
You know, this team, this was never going to be
the Yankees of the nineties. They were never going to
buy championships here in Seattle, right, But what they wanted
to do is they want to grow from the inside.
They want to build a strong base. So when you
look at a Shane Wright and a Mattie Beniers and
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a Ranker Evans, and you've got Berkeley Catton, who you know,
presumably is going to make the NHL roster next season
coming out of training camp. You've got younger players in Capocaco,
who is still twenty three years old. You know a
few other guys who are sub twenty four, sub twenty
five guys that's gonna be the future of this team.
And then you want to hope to supplement with some
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free agents. Last season, the Crack can go out and
get Chandler Stevenson, Brandon Montour. There's a number of big
names on the free agency market this year, and next
summer is gonna be massive, probably the biggest free agency
summer next season, summer of twenty six that at least
I can remember in the last ten or fifteen years
of just you know, being a fan of the game
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and now working in the game. So you're gonna build
that way. But you need to start from a good base.
So if you can get players like Shane Wright and
Maddy Vaniers and Rocky Evans and Cappo Coca and Burtley
Katton and all the guys who are going to be
coming up for Seattle in the next two to three seasons,
you need to get them ingrained in this system. You
need to get them playing a strong, structured system, because
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that's just gonna lay the foundation for a long term
success for each of them.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I went through some numbers yesterday and you mentioned, you know,
not having an aircraft carrier. Well, if you remember our
battleship game board, the Krack and Adam had a.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Battleship, a cruiser or a destroyer either.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
When you look at just the ranking and points, I mean,
Jared McCann seventy ninth in points last year was the
highest Kracking. He was eighty second in the NHL the
year before that, he was fifty ninth year before that,
he was one twenty ninth the year before that, and
that was the highest Kraken point scorer each and every year.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
So I mean, talk about these young guys.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I mean, are is one or more of these young
guys gonna be a top fifty point score or are
you gonna have to go outside, whether it be through
trades or whether it be that free agent class of
twenty twenty six. You spoke of, how are we finally
going to get a top fifty scorer on this franchise?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
You know what, Honestly, it's gonna be a little bit
of column A and a little bit of column B. Right,
you need a Matty Vanier's and a Shane Wright to
take that next step. Matty vaneers two years removed from
winning the Calder Award, and there has been a bit
of a of a regression in his game. We saw
the last twenty five thirty games of this past season,
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we saw him getting a little bit back to that form.
Shane Wright, same thing. A very slow start for him,
but over his last fifty games of the regular season,
Shane Wright was scoring at you know, a seventy point
seventy five point clip if you extrapolate that over an
a two game season. So if you're the crackh in,
you know you're gonna need Shane Wright over the next
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two to three years to put together a thirty goal season.
If you can sniff forty goals, great, If you can
touch seventy plus points, awesome. You need Matty Beniers. You
know you're making seven million dollars. I've always been a
big believer of ten points per million, right, So by
my account, Matt Evaneers, you gotta get to seventy points
and you have to consistently be between seventy sixty five
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seventy eighty points in a season like that. That for
me is my base. So you're gonna have to find
a way to get there. And I think that's also
why a guy like Lane Lambert makes more sense that
I think some people may give them credit for Like
I said before, when you don't have that Conor McDavid,
that Nathan McKinnon, when you don't have that guy the guy,
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it's going to take a full team effort. You go
back to the year the Crack and made the playoffs,
thirteen different players had career highs and goals, assists or points. Right,
you had a great year in net from Martin Jones.
This past season, Joey the Cord kept the Cracking in
that playoff. You know, at least the coppersation until you know,
mid late February early March. So if you can find
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a coach who can install that structure, who can get
players playing on the same way, on the same page,
that's going to help you in the same way I
feel as having, you know, one of those top offensive
players with I remember a couple of years ago under
Dave Hackstall, I was talking to Jared McCann and he
was telling me about, you know, man, Dave Axtall system
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is hard, like playing a structured defense first game is hard.
But you know what, when it works, damn it, We're
the best team in the NHL. No one can play
with us. You know, We're going out there every single
night and we're putting up positive results. And Jane Schwartz
was sitting a couple of stalls down and he gave
that look of boy, you ain't lyon, Like it's hard,
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it's not easy to play this way, but when you do,
you're going to find success. And I think this is
where a coach like Lane Lambert is going to pay
off dividends for Seattle. But like you just said, there's
going to come a time, whether it's this summer when
you see a Marner, Nikolai Eelers, you know Sam Bennett
who's going back to the finals in Florida, or next
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summer when again just go look up twenty twenty six
UFA class. I mean you've got the big fish is
going to be Connor McDavid. I think he stays in Edmonton,
but as of right now, he doesn't have a contract
pass next season, So for all intents and purposes, Connor
McDavid is a free agent after next season. Kyle Conner
up in Winnipeg, he's a free agentnumber of great, strong
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offensive defensemen are on the up on the free agency
market next summer as well, So you're going to have
to make a big splash in the next couple of
years in the free agent market. But if these internal players,
if Maddivaneers, if Shane Wright can get to thirty goals,
if Matty Beaneers can get to thirty goal seventy points,
if Berkeley Katton can put himself in the Calder Rookie
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of the Year conversation this coming season, I think you're
going to go a long way and maybe temporarily mitigating
the dire need to go out and spend twelve, thirteen,
fourteen million dollars for a player when you've got a
bunch of guys in house that are finding ways to
get it done as well.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
One more minute for me with ever Fitzhugh and Everett.
I'm a little torn in my mind, and I'm going
to lean on you to kind of just send me
in a direction. Okay, So with the Stanley Cup Final
now obviously ye, the repeat of a year ago, the
bitter loss by Edmonton, Should I be rooting? Who should
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I root for? Should I root for Edmonton? Because Connor
McDavid is a great dude that has never won it?
Is there something about the Florida dynasty like like set
me straight? Because I'm kind of deadlocked in my mind, you.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Know what I think. For me, I'm kind of torn
as well because I've always been a big fan of
the quote unquote non traditional hockey market having success. Right,
We're now six straight years of a team from Florida
representing the East in the Stanley Cup Final, right, So
the Sun Belt has been crushing it when it comes
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to hockey. But also, you know, Connor McDavid has been
through a lot in Edmonton and just having known a
lot of members and met Edmonton Press Corps and the
people who talk to him with him on a daily basis.
He is the player. Obviously he's the best player in
the world, but when you look at his work ethic,
when you look at his habits, he is one of
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those guys who it is impossible not to root for
because of all the stuff that he's had to put
up with through his first eight years in the NHL,
and now he's going to back to back finals. You know,
I think if you're a Kraken fan, you're probably gonna
be rooting for for Florida because you don't want to
see a division foe in uh in the spotlight. You know,
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I have to imagine number of folks in Seattle probably
not rooting for OKC coming up in the finals either, right,
Like you don't want to you don't want to see
the enemy the enemy do well. So when I'm with you,
I'm a little I'm a little torn as well. But
I do think that not having a horse in this race,
it's hard to beat a team two years in a row,
right and even though the Oilers, you know, they've beaten
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up the La Kings four straight years in the playoffs.
But April hockey is a lot different than June hockey,
and I I think Edmonton gets it done this year.
I do think it's going to be a six or
seven game series, but with Edmonson having home ice, they're
not gonna get down three to one like they did
last year and have to claw their way back. I
think Edmonton wins it in seven. But I do think
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this is going to be a hell of a series.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Now we know that you're free, so I can call
you and play a little golf, all right, man?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Absolutely good? Uh, just golf and baroness games. I got
nothing but.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Time, love it, love it, let's do it. Thanks ever,
appreciate it man, all.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Right, fella's sit here.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Thanks for the time you mad evert Fitshu, the voice
of the Seattle Kraken. We've got our new head coach
in tow Lane Lambert when we come back. I had
an interesting tweet that I saw. I don't know if
Jackson's seen this uh yet, but there are our good
friend Dove Kleimban whoever he is right, not a real person,
but he's got a lot of followers. He put out
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a tweet of the goats of every NFL franchise.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
You'll be interested to hear who the goat of the
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Speaker 1 (18:20):
Our thanks average Fitzhugh.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Listen to the general manager of the Seattle Crack and
Jason Bottrell who was on the morning show that'll come
up about forty minutes from now at six' ten will
replace some of that conversation With chuck And buck. Today
but back to FOOTBALL i thought this an interesting tweet
by some people love, him some people hate, him some
people have no idea who he really, is or if
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he's really a, person that would be dove climbing on On.
Twitter he's got three hundred and fifty thousand, followers so you,
know he's account got, bought so his count got. Bought
it it was bought from, somebody and now it's.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Just do we know who it is?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Now, nope we have no idea who it.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Is, WELL i thought it was an interesting topic regardless
who this came, from and it was it was each
team's EACH nfl team's goat and actually Looks jackson like
it has the Fan duel logo up. Top so maybe
bought out by By. FanDuel i JUST i just noticed. That,
NOW i hadn't noticed that. Before and, GUYS i you,
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KNOW i kind OF i kind of divide these up
into kind of four, categories and the first category being
there's just a clear, pick like you think of a
team and there's just one person that comes to mind
boom before any for, Example, patriots, duh, right It's Tom. Brady, saints,
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duh It's Drew, Brees Dan, Marino Barry, Sanders John.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Elway there's the like.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
When you're when you're talking about like the top, ten
top fifteen players of all. TIME i mean there's there's
ten of your teams right, there ten to fifteen year
teams right. There then there you've got the situation where
there's a franchise been successful around for a long time
that's got a couple top twenty players of all, time
and you gotta pick or, choose like like The, bears
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do you want to Go Walter payton or do you
want to Go Mike. Singletary if you're The, niners do
you want to Go Joe montana or do you want
to Go Jerry.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
RICE i, mean there's there's those questions in.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
There'vice To Jay, cutler by the, WAY.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I am doing A, ketler no question about, it no
question Sid, luckman, right you.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Know and then there's the teams that.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Really don't have an all time, great but you've got
to put somebody up. There for, example The, Jaguars Fred,
taylor that's who they put not an all time, great
but probably the Best jaguar that's ever. Played hugh's favorite
quarterback with The, Panthers Cam. Newton, Right but LIKE i,
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mean maybe you Put Steve, Smith, yeah, Definitely maybe you
put who's the pass, Rusher hugh the Jus peppers?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Happened who's the other? One why AM i blanking on his?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Name the white guy pass pass rusher in interior defensive
lineman for The panthers for a?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
While? Sure are you thinking Of lukeley?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Linebacker you? Have that's not WHO i was talking about.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
It i'm. Blanking i'm blanking. On but there's some names so.
Though there's a few teams where you really don't have
an all time great.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
And then there's The.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Hawks AND i find The hawks to be very unique
in this because they don't fit any of The they
fit the category of there are a couple Of seahawks
that you absolutely could go to and dove climbing slash
Fan duel decided not to go that.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Direction.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Jackson would you like to guess who The seahawks pick
is for the greatest of all?
Speaker 7 (21:46):
TIME i think we're pretty it has to Be Steve
largen Or Walter. Jones those are the two OUs, obvious
very very, obvious and is not one of those which
very clearly by how you've run up into, this it's
not one of those so FanDuel.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Idiots so where do you? Go but where do you
go after? That where would you naturally go after? That
if you didn't pick.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Those hoes Or kenny Or Bobby. Wagner see that's the.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Thing i'd PROBABLY i would go Probably cortes, next and
then i'd go to the y Lo. Ob i'd go
immediately And, hugh would you agree? That you'd Go largen
Or jones Whichever i'm cool with Either jones was, Probably
and then after that you go To tes who famously.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Planted Hugh millan on his ass and we've seen in.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
A million times on The womenfield, screen which is absolutely.
Awesome and THEN i would go after that to one
of the yell.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
Ob so, okay so you're saying it's not one of
the five that we just, mentioned.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Would you like to guess what it? Is It's Russell,
wilson isn't? It welcome to my happy, Place Russell.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Wilson on you your thoughts Of Russell wilson being amongst
the greatest of.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
All time and the greatest seawk of all.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Time you, know, look it's. Subjective there's no proving. THIS
a guy could put on a website that you know
The bengals are greater than The. Beatles you can say
whatever the hell you, want right, like, okay But Russell
wilson does not make my top Five Sea. Hawks just
for me, PERSONALLY i Think Bobby wagner is the most
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accomplished in my opinion. Teams, well he's JUST i think
it's six versus three or. Four six time first Team
All pro and and he has A Super bowl. Ring
SO i you, KNOW i just THINK i think the
number one guy Is Bobby. Wagner BUT i would Put Bobby,
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WAGNER i, PUT i would Put, WALT i would Put Steve,
LARGENT i would Put Cortes, KENNEDY i would Put kenny,
Easily i'd Put i'd put the three l ob defensive backs. Probably,
Yeah SO i THINK i think, That, YEAH i think
That Russell wilson's closer to tenth for me than. Fifth,
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yes Sures heck isn't. One but you, know how old
is the guy that did? This because you're knowing, that Uh,
Well in looking at some of his, lists for the most,
part there's a couple of. Exceptions he Had Jim brown
for the for The Cleveland, browns and unless you want
to Pick Auto. Graham BUT i Think Jim brown's is
the right pick. There but on a number of teams
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he picked the more recent. Player for, Example Atlanta, Falcons
Matt ryan's the number one. GUY i played for The
falcons for three. Years you're telling, now now there's a
question Of Dion, sanders, Right but you may not know
the Names jeff Van note Or Mike, Canner Tommy. Nobus
but but if you played for The, falcons you'd know those.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Names they picked up for.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
The Packers Aaron rodgers that's Over Bart starr Or Don
hudson they picked for The, colts they Picked Peyton manning
Over Johnny. Unitas for The, Chargers, Ladanian tomlinson Or Lance, Armstrong,
Armstrong Lance, ALWORTH. Bambi look there there's cases in all of.
Those each one of those you could you could, argue
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but just on virtually every time where it's it's, like you,
know Even Arizona, Cardinals Larry fitzgerald wonderful. Pick But Larry
wilson is is until, uh Until Ronnie lot came, Around
Larry wilson was considered the greatest safety that ever played
for decades and decades and.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Decades, hall you.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Know hall of.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Fame so SO i just think that every time there
was a maybe whoever wrote this, list they always you, know,
hey that's a great. Pick but But Larry zonka and
other guys that won Two Super bowls When Dan marino
didn't like, like there's arguments to be made for the
more recent, player and there's arguments to be made for
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a later you, know even players that predated. Me take
me out of. It the players and seeming every time
now he had name it for The, jets and that's, obvious,
Obvious but most of the time when there was a
h you, know a six to one half dozen or the,
other he chose the more RECENT i.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
THINK i, think getting this back to The seahawk, CONVERSATION
i think the more interesting debate is how far Is
Russell wilson down the.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
LIST i, Think, HUGHES i, mean we're not thinking everybody
THAT i think. THAT i think That Cam sherman And
thomas And wagner on that defense were all superior players
at their position To russell Wils Steve. HUTCHINSON i Think
Marshawn lynch was a superior player at his position To Russell.
Wilson Steve Hutchinson Walter, jones Courts As, Kennedy.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Steve. LARGENT i, mean you're, It you're he is in
the top. TEN i think he.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
IS i THINK i don't THINK i can name anybody
else because he was the quarterback for a long time
and had a very successful. Run he is the greatest
quarterback In seahawk history and have been around for.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Fifteen Seawan alexander Who alexander.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Is AN.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Mvp.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
WELL i Think Russell, wilson it was thought that he
was on the way to having A hall Of fame,
career but it feels like that NOW i could be
wrong on, this but it seems like he hasn't done
enough agree and SO i don't think he's in The
hall Of, fame whereas you've got some of these others
that that are either in The hall Of fame or you,
(27:33):
Know Bobby wagner is going to be just they're just
slammed him as well handed to him right now, exactly you.
Know and AND i Think Richard Richard, SHERMAN i had to.
BET i think That Richard sherman will make. It Earl
thomas has a. CHANCE i Think Sherman's sherman's.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Can bridge by being so weird the last and then
he was so poor.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Late he, might BUT i think, yet no cam.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Going Like kenny easily years years down the.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
ROAD i don't think he's gonna make.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Them and also it's probably my my Favorite Sea, Hawk
like IF i, HAD i, Don't god bless you if
you wear. JERSEYS i love the fact that that people
wear jersey to the.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
GAMES i.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Don't but IF i had, to somebody, said, hey we'll
give you any number and you're you're gonna go season
tickets and you gotta WEAR i would say give me thirty.
Speaker 7 (28:28):
One, yeah first day that the first day we came
out with the new jerseys in twenty, twelve right and
had the new logo of the new. Jerseys the first
day they got, UNVEILED i was down at the pro
shop at eight am and got myself at number thirty oneful.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Beautiful, yeah y, three we, agree but not A hall
Of famer.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Ninety three point three kJ.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Rfn we're gonna get into a lot of sports hate
boys over the next two. Weeks our sports hate level
is going to be through the. Roof WITH sga And
Chet holmgren and those guys playing for THE Nba Finals
we'll talk a little sports hate next on ninety three
point three K, jrfm.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
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Speaker 2 (29:15):
Fm, So, jackson you know that some of our greatest
ideas for show topics are spawned with just like random
conversations right on the phone or our text You softy
and my text threads that go like fifty four texts
long over that you. Know edwards one Morning i'm talking
To i'm talking To hugh after after the show, yesterday
(29:38):
and we were talking about his his remember his buddy
he talked about yesterday he was a.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Thunder fan AND i was, like, dude how can you?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Be you, know how can You i'll give you a
thunder Fan and he says a HUGE nba, fan huis under?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Fan doesn't make sense? Whatever and it got ITS i don't.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Know it morphed into the conversation of what would it
take what would it take for you to pull Somebody
seattle fan, Card, like what would some somebody have to
do as A seattle fan where you're just, like, dude,
no like you have revoked all privileges to be A
seattle sports.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Fan AND i was thinking about, IT i was, LIKE.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I think what it would be would be a twelve
cents twelve that was just rabbed for five six years
in the mid teens when we're going To Super bowls
and we're going to playoffs every, year and then when
The seahawks started to decline and The niners started to,
rise he became A niner fan and like started wearing.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Jersey that's not even A seattle sports.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Fan that's just not.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Well BUT i, mean if somebody From seattle could potentially
could potentially do, THAT i do sports fan, card.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
That would be absolutely not just A seattle.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Exports right.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Exactly, BUTIES i, MEAN i almost think that would be
worse than somebody being A thunder fan from the get,
go because he is twisted. It as as awful as it,
SOUNDS i guess there's some logic and what your friend's
doing is, Like, okay they're my basketball. Team all the
same players were there and they just went to a different.
(31:12):
City so AS i, mean as gross as it is
for me to spit that.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
OUT i can kind of.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Sort of see that, over just like switching allegiances and
going from The seahawks to The.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Allegiances but being a true bandwagon jumper would be this
that would probably nauseate more fellow sports fans around. You
that's that's probably the number one. Sin here's the.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
Thing if you're just jumping from one rival to another,
rival you're clearly not in it for the actual. Sports
you're just in it for you, know you.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Just want to. Win you just want you want to
be part of the.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Party you just want to you want to go where
the party, is and you don't care who you're rooting.
For you just want to like the team that happens
to be good at the. Moment that doesn't make you
a sports. Fan it makes you just a. Bandwagoner AND
i consider specifically the people who are those kind of.
Bandwagoners you. Aren't you're not a true sports. Fan you're
just hopping on the next.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Party.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Like part of what's gonna make part of.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
What makes what's gonna make The Mariners World Series championships
so sweet is because we've gone through, hundreds if not,
thousands of awful nights like last.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Night but hopefully we'll all be. Alive, Then, yeah that's
a fair.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Point But, HUGH i thought you said it perfectly when
we were talking about Sports hatia the other day and you,
said you, know you don't have the bandwidth to really
hate that much when you've got. Kids you, know you
got two kids you're putting through. COLLEGE i got two,
kids one in high, school one in middle. School Like
I'm i'm paying way more attention to a golf, tournament,
(32:42):
here a volleyball game, there a basketball game there That
i'm really worrying about how much Hate i'm putting out
towards a professional or college.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Team but you did say that you had a pretty.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Interesting story THAT i would love to have you shot
BECAUSE i haven't heard it yet on where You Oh, NO.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
I THINK i wasn't that it's an interest LIKE I
i just know precisely When i've experienced the most sports
in my. Life if we're talking about the, thunder like
measured by how how do you? Measure, okay imagine if
you've got a fever every time you had sports hate
and so you know you so there was a number
(33:20):
ninety eight point, six so you could put, it you
could put your thermometer under your, tongue and what the
highest Fever i've ever had in a.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Moment your analogies are, fabulous by the.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Way, Right so if you pulled the thermometer out from
under my, tongue that it.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Was it was a.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
MOMENT i remember it well and and and the scene
was two Thousand huskies and they had Beat miami at
home And Husky, stadium AND i was just desperate for
us to get back to The Rose bowl BECAUSE i
hadn't been there since ninety, two which seemed like twenty five.
Years and we Beat, miami Beat colorado on the on the,
(33:56):
road but then lost the First pack ten game aim At, EUGENE.
Yep so for us to get to The Rose, bowl
we had to go undefeated. Throughout and so fast forward
to The stanford. Game the end The stanford game in the,
rain it felt like a high school game because there
was three thousand. People, yes so it's The Curtis williams.
(34:18):
Game and you, KNOW i could have looked up the,
details But i'm just Gonna i'm just gonna go from
memory BECAUSE i might be, off but BUT i remember
us having a twenty four to six lead late in
the third quarter or thereabouts twenty four to, six and
then The curtis william thing hits right AROUND i don't
know if eary fourth, quarter late third quarter, AGAIN i
(34:39):
could have looked up the details and purposely. Didn't, okay
and we didn't know what was going on With Curtis.
Williams BUT i never thought it was that, tragic, right
let me, see like seiting in the. STANDS i never
thought it was as tragic as it. Was SO i
was still focused On washington has to Beat, stanford And
stanford was coming back and coming. Back and at the
(35:00):
zach same, time my Buddy, tiger who Was tiger Before Tiger,
woods but a dear friend of, mine he was he
was watching ON, tv but he was also Watching oregon
was At Arizona, state And Arizona state had been up
in that, game And oregon was coming, back and there
(35:20):
was a point where the nexus of these events Have
i'm getting a play by, Play i'm in the. Rain Curtis,
williams what the? Hell The huskies are losing a twenty
four to six, lead and my buddy is telling, me
oh Or Arizona state still has the ball in the.
Lead all they have to do is just you, know you,
know get one first down or what and.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
They fumble in their own.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Territory, god and this is right When stanford is going.
Ahead and it was almost too much free for me to.
Take sitting there in the. Rain it was almost LIKE
i Hated oregon in some. MANNER i had a you
know WHAT i, HAD i had one hundred and nine
degree fevers me to the hospital that. Instant there was
(36:04):
so much hate For oregon and it and it was,
like oh my, god we're gonna lose this damn thing To. Stanford,
yes it was just the confluence of the events and
the play by played from my buddy about what was
happening In tempe was almost TO i almost. Combusted, Yeah
and so that in that MOMENT i experienced more sports
(36:26):
hate Than i've ever had in my.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Life and then we got three plays it was like
wilber hooks Justin robbins AND i can't remember the other,
one but and they ended up winning the game and
all is girls And mellin's temperature went back down to
ninety eight point SIX fiot fifty five on ninety three
point three kJ fm
Our friend Everett fits you right now. Oh there's the music.
There's the cracking music.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Kind it makes me sounds like Mike Ben should be
taken over for cracking pre game right now when you're
playing this love it Everett.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
How you doing man, Hey man.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
I'm doing well. Anytime I hear that music, it's like,
oh yeah, it's so weird. You know, it's working in sports.
The off season is so sudden, right Like you're working
one day and then the next day you're done for
five months and then it's just like, all right, well,
I guess I'll go to a baseball game. I'll do
something for half a year. But no, it feels good
(00:36):
to finally have something to talk about again.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
And what we have to talk about is the new
head coach, Lane Lambert. And let's just start with why
you think the Seattle Kraken were intrigued in this associate
coach for the Toronto Maple Leafs.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I think there's a couple of factors here for me.
I think number one, you listen to Ron France and
Jason Bosherl and the vision for this team moving forward,
and obviously it's one where they want to be focused
on offense, but they want to get back to their
strong defensive structure that we saw the first couple of
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years with the Kraken. I mean two years ago, the
Kracking were the only team in the NHL in the
top ten in defense to not make the playoffs. And
they got away from that a little bit. They were
a hard team to play against, and you always heard
from opposing coaches you know, they're a little bit unlucky
right now. They're not scoring the goals at the rate
(01:36):
that they would like, but man, they are tough to
play against. We hate playing against Seattle because they're always
going to outwork you and you didn't hear. I think
the Kracking got away from that a little bit last season.
So enter Lane Lambert, who is known for his defensive acuity,
who is known for having a structured system. And I
think for a team like Seattle, who doesn't have know
(02:00):
as our good friend Ian Ferness would say, he doesn't
have the the aircraft care, you don't have that elite
level of player. There's no McKinnon McDavid, there's no dry
title on this team. But what you do have is
a lot of really good players. A really good veteran
Cory a really good group of young players, and if
you can get them to work within the particular system,
(02:21):
it's going to be a hard system. But if you
can get them to work and play in a structured way,
the offense will follow. And that's why you'll say a
lot of times, if you want to have good, good offense,
you have to be good in your defensive zone as well.
And we saw the crack can get away from that
this past year.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
So let's go.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Back to a year ago when the Jettison hacked All
and they bring in Dan Bosma, right, And I thought
that I heard that a big part of it is
that they want to open up the ice that they
want to they want to be more dynamic offensively.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Am I misremembering? Uh that?
Speaker 5 (03:00):
To quote what was Roger Clemens? Am I misremembering? Do
I have part of that?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Right? Vert?
Speaker 5 (03:08):
And if so, kind of for a fan who might
be saying, Okay, what's the philosophy here, it seemed like you're, well,
the defense was great, but we need more offense. Now
we whack another guy after one season, we want to
go back to defense.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Just kind of sort that out for us.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, no, you're you're not misremembering at all. And I think,
you know, for Dan, coming off of two really successful
years in the AHL, getting back behind an NHL bench,
you know, he'd won a Stanley Cup, he'd won the
Jack Adams. You know, he had been in charge of
some really good Penguins teams. The offensive production I think
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was there compared to the year before. Obviously it wasn't
good enough, but I think m Kraken went from twenty
third in the league in offense in the twenty three
twenty four seasons they were I think fifth teenth fourteenth
this year. So your offense improved marginally a little bit,
but where you did take a big dip was defensively.
(04:06):
So you're not misremembering. But it's gonna sound confusing, But
when you talk about playing a quick north to south game,
when you talk about, you know, finding the puck in
your defensive zone, smothering the other team in your defensive zone,
essentially what that is is if you play with the puck,
your offense is gonna follow. So when you're in the
defensive zone, when you're making it hard on the other
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team to get a line change on the ice, when
you're moving the puck up the ice, quickly catching teams
in transition. When you're attacking the net. That all starts
with strong play in the defensive zone. You're wearing the
other teams down. You look at the Edmonton Oilers, right,
you're gonna keep McDavid in dry siddle on the ice.
You're gonna force them to go for long shifts. Well,
then now they're gonna have to maybe take that extra beat.
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When you're coming back up the ice, they're gonna be
looking to get off the ice because you've hemmed been
in so long. You've made life so challenging for them
in their offensive zone. And a lot of times that's
how your offense will start. Is if you can have
a really strong, structured defensive style, the offense will follow.
And that is what you're looking for for Lane Lambert.
(05:14):
I think offensively, the Maple Leafs, the Islanders, the Capitols,
all teams that he was a part of their coaching staffs,
you saw a strong defensive play ultimately leading to a
number of positives in their offensive categories.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Why was he fired?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I mean he makes the playoffs his first year twenty
twenty two to twenty three, and then in the second year.
I mean they're halfway through the season, they're nineteen fifteen
and eleven. And I mean, it's not like it was
a terrible season.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Why was he fired?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah, you know, that's a very interesting question, and that's
the question that I don't think we've ever really gotten
an answer to. You know, I was listening to Jordan
Everley's hit earlier today on Ian Show, and he was
talking about when he was on Long Island playing for
the Islanders and the way that he coached and the
(06:05):
way that players responded to him. And I think, you know,
the the Lane Lambert that maybe you see in the media,
you see in public, isn't the Lane Lambert that the
players see in the locker room. And by and large,
a lot of folks who who you talk to when
you listen to and you go back and read, they
liked having him on the staff. A lot of Islanders
(06:26):
liked playing for Lane Lambert. So it had to have
been a managerial difference up in the front office, right
Lou Lamarillo, the longtime GM president GM in the NHL,
he's known for running a tight secretive ship. And you know,
this is obviously just my speculation, and having never been
(06:47):
in an Islander's boardroom or locker room or anything like that.
But to me, there had to have been some difference,
some not seeing eye to eye on those on that part,
because you're right, he was sixty one, forty and twenty,
he was coming off of a playoff run. He had
(07:07):
a number of good years as an associate coach. He
helped the Islanders to back to back Eastern Conference finals
when he was all Long Island as well. So to
fire him after a year and a half in favor
of Patrick Wah, I get Patrick Wah is a big name.
He's a little bit more media savvy, a little bit
more media friendly in that regard. So you know, it
(07:28):
was a head scratcher to a lot of people when
he was fired, for sure. Up in Long Island.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Everett fits you with us, and we're discussing the coaching
change with the Krack and Everett. Yesterday we had a
nice chat with Mike Benton and he cited one of
the two reasons along with defense that you cided, he
cited one of the reasons for the change was to
steward the young players that are presumed to be up
(07:56):
and coming. Just kind of talk about what what does
that mean to you, how important is that and describe
to us the primacy of that particular aspect.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Well, I think that's big too. And and and when
you listen to Ron Francis and Jason boscherl a number
of players folks in this front office, the plan from
day one has always been to build from within. You
want to have sustain success from within your own organization.
You want to build from a strong draft class. You
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want to have a good minor league system. You want
to have good amateur scouts who can keep the cupboard stocks.
You know, this team, this was never going to be
the Yankees of the nineties. They were never going to
buy championships here in Seattle, right, But what they wanted
to do is they want to grow from the inside.
They want to build a strong base. So when you
look at a Shane Wright and a Mattie Beniers and
(08:50):
a Ranker Evans, and you've got Berkeley Catton, who you know,
presumably is going to make the NHL roster next season
coming out of training camp. You've got younger players in Capocaco,
who is still twenty three years old. You know a
few other guys who are sub twenty four, sub twenty
five guys that's gonna be the future of this team.
And then you want to hope to supplement with some
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free agents. Last season, the Crack can go out and
get Chandler Stevenson, Brandon Montour. There's a number of big
names on the free agency market this year, and next
summer is gonna be massive, probably the biggest free agency
summer next season, summer of twenty six that at least
I can remember in the last ten or fifteen years
of just you know, being a fan of the game
(09:32):
and now working in the game. So you're gonna build
that way. But you need to start from a good base.
So if you can get players like Shane Wright and
Maddy Vaniers and Rocky Evans and Cappo Coca and Burtley
Katton and all the guys who are going to be
coming up for Seattle in the next two to three seasons,
you need to get them ingrained in this system. You
need to get them playing a strong, structured system, because
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that's just gonna lay the foundation for a long term
success for each of them.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I went through some numbers yesterday and you mentioned, you know,
not having an aircraft carrier. Well, if you remember our
battleship game board, the Krack and Adam had a.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Battleship, a cruiser or a destroyer either.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
When you look at just the ranking and points, I mean,
Jared McCann seventy ninth in points last year was the
highest Kracking. He was eighty second in the NHL the
year before that, he was fifty ninth year before that,
he was one twenty ninth the year before that, and
that was the highest Kraken point scorer each and every year.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
So I mean, talk about these young guys.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I mean, are is one or more of these young
guys gonna be a top fifty point score or are
you gonna have to go outside, whether it be through
trades or whether it be that free agent class of
twenty twenty six. You spoke of, how are we finally
going to get a top fifty scorer on this franchise?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
You know what, Honestly, it's gonna be a little bit
of column A and a little bit of column B. Right,
you need a Matty Vanier's and a Shane Wright to
take that next step. Matty vaneers two years removed from
winning the Calder Award, and there has been a bit
of a of a regression in his game. We saw
the last twenty five thirty games of this past season,
(11:09):
we saw him getting a little bit back to that form.
Shane Wright, same thing. A very slow start for him,
but over his last fifty games of the regular season,
Shane Wright was scoring at you know, a seventy point
seventy five point clip if you extrapolate that over an
a two game season. So if you're the crackh in,
you know you're gonna need Shane Wright over the next
(11:30):
two to three years to put together a thirty goal season.
If you can sniff forty goals, great, If you can
touch seventy plus points, awesome. You need Matty Beniers. You
know you're making seven million dollars. I've always been a
big believer of ten points per million, right, So by
my account, Matt Evaneers, you gotta get to seventy points
and you have to consistently be between seventy sixty five
(11:53):
seventy eighty points in a season like that. That for
me is my base. So you're gonna have to find
a way to get there. And I think that's also
why a guy like Lane Lambert makes more sense that
I think some people may give them credit for Like
I said before, when you don't have that Conor McDavid,
that Nathan McKinnon, when you don't have that guy the guy,
(12:15):
it's going to take a full team effort. You go
back to the year the Crack and made the playoffs,
thirteen different players had career highs and goals, assists or points. Right,
you had a great year in net from Martin Jones.
This past season, Joey the Cord kept the Cracking in
that playoff. You know, at least the coppersation until you know,
mid late February early March. So if you can find
(12:36):
a coach who can install that structure, who can get
players playing on the same way, on the same page,
that's going to help you in the same way I
feel as having, you know, one of those top offensive
players with I remember a couple of years ago under
Dave Hackstall, I was talking to Jared McCann and he
was telling me about, you know, man, Dave Axtall system
(12:58):
is hard, like playing a structured defense first game is hard.
But you know what, when it works, damn it, We're
the best team in the NHL. No one can play
with us. You know, We're going out there every single
night and we're putting up positive results. And Jane Schwartz
was sitting a couple of stalls down and he gave
that look of boy, you ain't lyon, Like it's hard,
(13:18):
it's not easy to play this way, but when you do,
you're going to find success. And I think this is
where a coach like Lane Lambert is going to pay
off dividends for Seattle. But like you just said, there's
going to come a time, whether it's this summer when
you see a Marner, Nikolai Eelers, you know Sam Bennett
who's going back to the finals in Florida, or next
(13:40):
summer when again just go look up twenty twenty six
UFA class. I mean you've got the big fish is
going to be Connor McDavid. I think he stays in Edmonton,
but as of right now, he doesn't have a contract
pass next season, So for all intents and purposes, Connor
McDavid is a free agent after next season. Kyle Conner
up in Winnipeg, he's a free agentnumber of great, strong
(14:01):
offensive defensemen are on the up on the free agency
market next summer as well, So you're going to have
to make a big splash in the next couple of
years in the free agent market. But if these internal players,
if Maddivaneers, if Shane Wright can get to thirty goals,
if Matty Beaneers can get to thirty goal seventy points,
if Berkeley Katton can put himself in the Calder Rookie
(14:23):
of the Year conversation this coming season, I think you're
going to go a long way and maybe temporarily mitigating
the dire need to go out and spend twelve, thirteen,
fourteen million dollars for a player when you've got a
bunch of guys in house that are finding ways to
get it done as well.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
One more minute for me with ever Fitzhugh and Everett.
I'm a little torn in my mind, and I'm going
to lean on you to kind of just send me
in a direction. Okay, So with the Stanley Cup Final
now obviously ye, the repeat of a year ago, the
bitter loss by Edmonton, Should I be rooting? Who should
(15:07):
I root for? Should I root for Edmonton? Because Connor
McDavid is a great dude that has never won it?
Is there something about the Florida dynasty like like set
me straight? Because I'm kind of deadlocked in my mind, you.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Know what I think. For me, I'm kind of torn
as well because I've always been a big fan of
the quote unquote non traditional hockey market having success. Right,
We're now six straight years of a team from Florida
representing the East in the Stanley Cup Final, right, So
the Sun Belt has been crushing it when it comes
(15:45):
to hockey. But also, you know, Connor McDavid has been
through a lot in Edmonton and just having known a
lot of members and met Edmonton Press Corps and the
people who talk to him with him on a daily basis.
He is the player. Obviously he's the best player in
the world, but when you look at his work ethic,
when you look at his habits, he is one of
(16:06):
those guys who it is impossible not to root for
because of all the stuff that he's had to put
up with through his first eight years in the NHL,
and now he's going to back to back finals. You know,
I think if you're a Kraken fan, you're probably gonna
be rooting for for Florida because you don't want to
see a division foe in uh in the spotlight. You know,
(16:29):
I have to imagine number of folks in Seattle probably
not rooting for OKC coming up in the finals either, right,
Like you don't want to you don't want to see
the enemy the enemy do well. So when I'm with you,
I'm a little I'm a little torn as well. But
I do think that not having a horse in this race,
it's hard to beat a team two years in a row,
right and even though the Oilers, you know, they've beaten
(16:50):
up the La Kings four straight years in the playoffs.
But April hockey is a lot different than June hockey,
and I I think Edmonton gets it done this year.
I do think it's going to be a six or
seven game series, but with Edmonson having home ice, they're
not gonna get down three to one like they did
last year and have to claw their way back. I
think Edmonton wins it in seven. But I do think
(17:11):
this is going to be a hell of a series.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Now we know that you're free, so I can call
you and play a little golf, all right, man?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Absolutely good? Uh, just golf and baroness games. I got
nothing but.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Time, love it, love it, let's do it. Thanks ever,
appreciate it man, all.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Right, fella's sit here.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Thanks for the time you mad evert Fitshu, the voice
of the Seattle Kraken. We've got our new head coach
in tow Lane Lambert when we come back. I had
an interesting tweet that I saw. I don't know if
Jackson's seen this uh yet, but there are our good
friend Dove Kleimban whoever he is right, not a real person,
but he's got a lot of followers. He put out
(17:47):
a tweet of the goats of every NFL franchise.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
You'll be interested to hear who the goat of the
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Our thanks average Fitzhugh.
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Listen to the general manager of the Seattle Crack and
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replace some of that conversation With chuck And buck. Today
but back to FOOTBALL i thought this an interesting tweet
by some people love, him some people hate, him some
people have no idea who he really, is or if
(18:44):
he's really a, person that would be dove climbing on On.
Twitter he's got three hundred and fifty thousand, followers so you,
know he's account got, bought so his count got. Bought
it it was bought from, somebody and now it's.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Just do we know who it is?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Now, nope we have no idea who it.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Is, WELL i thought it was an interesting topic regardless
who this came, from and it was it was each
team's EACH nfl team's goat and actually Looks jackson like
it has the Fan duel logo up. Top so maybe
bought out by By. FanDuel i JUST i just noticed. That,
NOW i hadn't noticed that. Before and, GUYS i you,
(19:23):
KNOW i kind OF i kind of divide these up
into kind of four, categories and the first category being
there's just a clear, pick like you think of a
team and there's just one person that comes to mind
boom before any for, Example, patriots, duh, right It's Tom. Brady, saints,
(19:43):
duh It's Drew, Brees Dan, Marino Barry, Sanders John.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Elway there's the like.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
When you're when you're talking about like the top, ten
top fifteen players of all. TIME i mean there's there's
ten of your teams right, there ten to fifteen year
teams right. There then there you've got the situation where
there's a franchise been successful around for a long time
that's got a couple top twenty players of all, time
and you gotta pick or, choose like like The, bears
(20:08):
do you want to Go Walter payton or do you
want to Go Mike. Singletary if you're The, niners do
you want to Go Joe montana or do you want
to Go Jerry.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
RICE i, mean there's there's those questions in.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
There'vice To Jay, cutler by the, WAY.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I am doing A, ketler no question about, it no
question Sid, luckman, right you.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Know and then there's the teams that.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Really don't have an all time, great but you've got
to put somebody up. There for, example The, Jaguars Fred,
taylor that's who they put not an all time, great
but probably the Best jaguar that's ever. Played hugh's favorite
quarterback with The, Panthers Cam. Newton, Right but LIKE i,
(20:52):
mean maybe you Put Steve, Smith, yeah, Definitely maybe you
put who's the pass, Rusher hugh the Jus peppers?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Happened who's the other? One why AM i blanking on his?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Name the white guy pass pass rusher in interior defensive
lineman for The panthers for a?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
While? Sure are you thinking Of lukeley?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Linebacker you? Have that's not WHO i was talking about.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
It i'm. Blanking i'm blanking. On but there's some names so.
Though there's a few teams where you really don't have
an all time great.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
And then there's The.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Hawks AND i find The hawks to be very unique
in this because they don't fit any of The they
fit the category of there are a couple Of seahawks
that you absolutely could go to and dove climbing slash
Fan duel decided not to go that.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Direction.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Jackson would you like to guess who The seahawks pick
is for the greatest of all?
Speaker 7 (21:46):
TIME i think we're pretty it has to Be Steve
largen Or Walter. Jones those are the two OUs, obvious
very very, obvious and is not one of those which
very clearly by how you've run up into, this it's
not one of those so FanDuel.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Idiots so where do you? Go but where do you
go after? That where would you naturally go after? That
if you didn't pick.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Those hoes Or kenny Or Bobby. Wagner see that's the.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Thing i'd PROBABLY i would go Probably cortes, next and
then i'd go to the y Lo. Ob i'd go
immediately And, hugh would you agree? That you'd Go largen
Or jones Whichever i'm cool with Either jones was, Probably
and then after that you go To tes who famously.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Planted Hugh millan on his ass and we've seen in.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
A million times on The womenfield, screen which is absolutely.
Awesome and THEN i would go after that to one
of the yell.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
Ob so, okay so you're saying it's not one of
the five that we just, mentioned.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Would you like to guess what it? Is It's Russell,
wilson isn't? It welcome to my happy, Place Russell.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Wilson on you your thoughts Of Russell wilson being amongst
the greatest of.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
All time and the greatest seawk of all.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Time you, know, look it's. Subjective there's no proving. THIS
a guy could put on a website that you know
The bengals are greater than The. Beatles you can say
whatever the hell you, want right, like, okay But Russell
wilson does not make my top Five Sea. Hawks just
for me, PERSONALLY i Think Bobby wagner is the most
(23:20):
accomplished in my opinion. Teams, well he's JUST i think
it's six versus three or. Four six time first Team
All pro and and he has A Super bowl. Ring
SO i you, KNOW i just THINK i think the
number one guy Is Bobby. Wagner BUT i would Put Bobby,
(23:43):
WAGNER i, PUT i would Put, WALT i would Put Steve,
LARGENT i would Put Cortes, KENNEDY i would Put kenny,
Easily i'd Put i'd put the three l ob defensive backs. Probably,
Yeah SO i THINK i think, That, YEAH i think
That Russell wilson's closer to tenth for me than. Fifth,
(24:04):
yes Sures heck isn't. One but you, know how old
is the guy that did? This because you're knowing, that Uh,
Well in looking at some of his, lists for the most,
part there's a couple of. Exceptions he Had Jim brown
for the for The Cleveland, browns and unless you want
to Pick Auto. Graham BUT i Think Jim brown's is
the right pick. There but on a number of teams
(24:27):
he picked the more recent. Player for, Example Atlanta, Falcons
Matt ryan's the number one. GUY i played for The
falcons for three. Years you're telling, now now there's a
question Of Dion, sanders, Right but you may not know
the Names jeff Van note Or Mike, Canner Tommy. Nobus
but but if you played for The, falcons you'd know those.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Names they picked up for.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
The Packers Aaron rodgers that's Over Bart starr Or Don
hudson they picked for The, colts they Picked Peyton manning
Over Johnny. Unitas for The, Chargers, Ladanian tomlinson Or Lance, Armstrong,
Armstrong Lance, ALWORTH. Bambi look there there's cases in all of.
Those each one of those you could you could, argue
(25:11):
but just on virtually every time where it's it's, like you,
know Even Arizona, Cardinals Larry fitzgerald wonderful. Pick But Larry
wilson is is until, uh Until Ronnie lot came, Around
Larry wilson was considered the greatest safety that ever played
for decades and decades and.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Decades, hall you.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Know hall of.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Fame so SO i just think that every time there
was a maybe whoever wrote this, list they always you, know,
hey that's a great. Pick but But Larry zonka and
other guys that won Two Super bowls When Dan marino
didn't like, like there's arguments to be made for the
more recent, player and there's arguments to be made for
(25:54):
a later you, know even players that predated. Me take
me out of. It the players and seeming every time
now he had name it for The, jets and that's, obvious,
Obvious but most of the time when there was a
h you, know a six to one half dozen or the,
other he chose the more RECENT i.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
THINK i, think getting this back to The seahawk, CONVERSATION
i think the more interesting debate is how far Is
Russell wilson down the.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
LIST i, Think, HUGHES i, mean we're not thinking everybody
THAT i think. THAT i think That Cam sherman And
thomas And wagner on that defense were all superior players
at their position To russell Wils Steve. HUTCHINSON i Think
Marshawn lynch was a superior player at his position To Russell.
Wilson Steve Hutchinson Walter, jones Courts As, Kennedy.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Steve. LARGENT i, mean you're, It you're he is in
the top. TEN i think he.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
IS i THINK i don't THINK i can name anybody
else because he was the quarterback for a long time
and had a very successful. Run he is the greatest
quarterback In seahawk history and have been around for.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Fifteen Seawan alexander Who alexander.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Is AN.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Mvp.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
WELL i Think Russell, wilson it was thought that he
was on the way to having A hall Of fame,
career but it feels like that NOW i could be
wrong on, this but it seems like he hasn't done
enough agree and SO i don't think he's in The
hall Of, fame whereas you've got some of these others
that that are either in The hall Of fame or you,
(27:33):
Know Bobby wagner is going to be just they're just
slammed him as well handed to him right now, exactly you.
Know and AND i Think Richard Richard, SHERMAN i had to.
BET i think That Richard sherman will make. It Earl
thomas has a. CHANCE i Think Sherman's sherman's.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Can bridge by being so weird the last and then
he was so poor.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Late he, might BUT i think, yet no cam.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Going Like kenny easily years years down the.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
ROAD i don't think he's gonna make.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Them and also it's probably my my Favorite Sea, Hawk
like IF i, HAD i, Don't god bless you if
you wear. JERSEYS i love the fact that that people
wear jersey to the.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
GAMES i.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Don't but IF i had, to somebody, said, hey we'll
give you any number and you're you're gonna go season
tickets and you gotta WEAR i would say give me thirty.
Speaker 7 (28:28):
One, yeah first day that the first day we came
out with the new jerseys in twenty, twelve right and
had the new logo of the new. Jerseys the first
day they got, UNVEILED i was down at the pro
shop at eight am and got myself at number thirty oneful.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Beautiful, yeah y, three we, agree but not A hall
Of famer.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
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Rfn we're gonna get into a lot of sports hate
boys over the next two. Weeks our sports hate level
is going to be through the. Roof WITH sga And
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we'll talk a little sports hate next on ninety three
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Speaker 2 (29:15):
Fm, So, jackson you know that some of our greatest
ideas for show topics are spawned with just like random
conversations right on the phone or our text You softy
and my text threads that go like fifty four texts
long over that you. Know edwards one Morning i'm talking
To i'm talking To hugh after after the show, yesterday
(29:38):
and we were talking about his his remember his buddy
he talked about yesterday he was a.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Thunder fan AND i was, like, dude how can you?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Be you, know how can You i'll give you a
thunder Fan and he says a HUGE nba, fan huis under?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Fan doesn't make sense? Whatever and it got ITS i don't.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Know it morphed into the conversation of what would it
take what would it take for you to pull Somebody
seattle fan, Card, like what would some somebody have to
do as A seattle fan where you're just, like, dude,
no like you have revoked all privileges to be A
seattle sports.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Fan AND i was thinking about, IT i was, LIKE.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I think what it would be would be a twelve
cents twelve that was just rabbed for five six years
in the mid teens when we're going To Super bowls
and we're going to playoffs every, year and then when
The seahawks started to decline and The niners started to,
rise he became A niner fan and like started wearing.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Jersey that's not even A seattle sports.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Fan that's just not.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Well BUT i, mean if somebody From seattle could potentially
could potentially do, THAT i do sports fan, card.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
That would be absolutely not just A seattle.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Exports right.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Exactly, BUTIES i, MEAN i almost think that would be
worse than somebody being A thunder fan from the get,
go because he is twisted. It as as awful as it,
SOUNDS i guess there's some logic and what your friend's
doing is, Like, okay they're my basketball. Team all the
same players were there and they just went to a different.
(31:12):
City so AS i, mean as gross as it is
for me to spit that.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
OUT i can kind of.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Sort of see that, over just like switching allegiances and
going from The seahawks to The.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Allegiances but being a true bandwagon jumper would be this
that would probably nauseate more fellow sports fans around. You
that's that's probably the number one. Sin here's the.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
Thing if you're just jumping from one rival to another,
rival you're clearly not in it for the actual. Sports
you're just in it for you, know you.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Just want to. Win you just want you want to
be part of the.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Party you just want to you want to go where
the party, is and you don't care who you're rooting.
For you just want to like the team that happens
to be good at the. Moment that doesn't make you
a sports. Fan it makes you just a. Bandwagoner AND
i consider specifically the people who are those kind of.
Bandwagoners you. Aren't you're not a true sports. Fan you're
just hopping on the next.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Party.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Like part of what's gonna make part of.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
What makes what's gonna make The Mariners World Series championships
so sweet is because we've gone through, hundreds if not,
thousands of awful nights like last.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Night but hopefully we'll all be. Alive, Then, yeah that's
a fair.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Point But, HUGH i thought you said it perfectly when
we were talking about Sports hatia the other day and you,
said you, know you don't have the bandwidth to really
hate that much when you've got. Kids you, know you
got two kids you're putting through. COLLEGE i got two,
kids one in high, school one in middle. School Like
I'm i'm paying way more attention to a golf, tournament,
(32:42):
here a volleyball game, there a basketball game there That
i'm really worrying about how much Hate i'm putting out
towards a professional or college.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Team but you did say that you had a pretty.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Interesting story THAT i would love to have you shot
BECAUSE i haven't heard it yet on where You Oh, NO.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
I THINK i wasn't that it's an interest LIKE I
i just know precisely When i've experienced the most sports
in my. Life if we're talking about the, thunder like
measured by how how do you? Measure, okay imagine if
you've got a fever every time you had sports hate
and so you know you so there was a number
(33:20):
ninety eight point, six so you could put, it you
could put your thermometer under your, tongue and what the
highest Fever i've ever had in a.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Moment your analogies are, fabulous by the.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Way, Right so if you pulled the thermometer out from
under my, tongue that it.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Was it was a.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
MOMENT i remember it well and and and the scene
was two Thousand huskies and they had Beat miami at
home And Husky, stadium AND i was just desperate for
us to get back to The Rose bowl BECAUSE i
hadn't been there since ninety, two which seemed like twenty five.
Years and we Beat, miami Beat colorado on the on the,
(33:56):
road but then lost the First pack ten game aim At, EUGENE.
Yep so for us to get to The Rose, bowl
we had to go undefeated. Throughout and so fast forward
to The stanford. Game the end The stanford game in the,
rain it felt like a high school game because there
was three thousand. People, yes so it's The Curtis williams.
(34:18):
Game and you, KNOW i could have looked up the,
details But i'm just Gonna i'm just gonna go from
memory BECAUSE i might be, off but BUT i remember
us having a twenty four to six lead late in
the third quarter or thereabouts twenty four to, six and
then The curtis william thing hits right AROUND i don't
know if eary fourth, quarter late third quarter, AGAIN i
(34:39):
could have looked up the details and purposely. Didn't, okay
and we didn't know what was going on With Curtis.
Williams BUT i never thought it was that, tragic, right
let me, see like seiting in the. STANDS i never
thought it was as tragic as it. Was SO i
was still focused On washington has to Beat, stanford And
stanford was coming back and coming. Back and at the
(35:00):
zach same, time my Buddy, tiger who Was tiger Before Tiger,
woods but a dear friend of, mine he was he
was watching ON, tv but he was also Watching oregon
was At Arizona, state And Arizona state had been up
in that, game And oregon was coming, back and there
(35:20):
was a point where the nexus of these events Have
i'm getting a play by, Play i'm in the. Rain Curtis,
williams what the? Hell The huskies are losing a twenty
four to six, lead and my buddy is telling, me
oh Or Arizona state still has the ball in the.
Lead all they have to do is just you, know you,
know get one first down or what and.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
They fumble in their own.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Territory, god and this is right When stanford is going.
Ahead and it was almost too much free for me to.
Take sitting there in the. Rain it was almost LIKE
i Hated oregon in some. MANNER i had a you
know WHAT i, HAD i had one hundred and nine
degree fevers me to the hospital that. Instant there was
(36:04):
so much hate For oregon and it and it was,
like oh my, god we're gonna lose this damn thing To. Stanford,
yes it was just the confluence of the events and
the play by played from my buddy about what was
happening In tempe was almost TO i almost. Combusted, Yeah
and so that in that MOMENT i experienced more sports
(36:26):
hate Than i've ever had in my.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Life and then we got three plays it was like
wilber hooks Justin robbins AND i can't remember the other,
one but and they ended up winning the game and
all is girls And mellin's temperature went back down to
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