June 12, 2025 • 25 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain talk to former Mariners pitcher and analyst Bill Krueger about the state of the Mariners after another sweep, their offensive struggles, and the absence of the bunting skill, then react to some Fun with Audio clips.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for our weekly conversation with Bill Krueger, brought
to you by the brand new Occidental Hall next to
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
I am hearing rumors, by the way, that the Occidental
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literally hours away, the Occidental Hall about to be open
to the public very very soon. Joining us right now
on the radio program to talk about those Mariners. It's
our friend Bill Krueger. Billy, how are you man?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I'm good. That's good. Hear your voice. It's so clear
and perfect.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Now, yeah, I heard you after your trip.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
It wasn't so good, but you must be feeling better.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, I felt fine the whole time, right, I mean
it just my voice sounded like crap, which is hard
to do when you're in radio. But I just want
to give you the floor. What the hell's going on
with this baseball team?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Billy? Give us your thoughts from thirty five thousand feet.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Well, you know, they raced to a pretty good start,
you know, their april they were just incredibly offensively driven
and they had a lot of contributions. In fact, it
was right when they had a batch of injuries that
they kind of took off Rollbodys went down, Bliss went down.
Then were they not too far after that? And then
they just had this sort of amazing ham and egg
bottom of the order, the Master, Bonie Reeves, Dylan Moore,
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all these different guys combining to really give this offense
a lot of on base and the role he's cleaning
everything up, and they look like, wow, just think what's
they're going to be like when they're pitching returns and
you know, some of the shine has come off the
offense and you know they were hoping that maybe you know,
the timing would be perfect, the pitching would come back
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in full force, and as a hitting kind of settled
itself down, they'd find the happy medium and they continue
to win. But that hasn't been the case. They've had
some inconsistency on the mound. A lot of it's because
you just can't turn the big, the big aircraft carrier,
that being the starting pitcher around too quick, and unfortunately,
the club had to suffer to and in my opinion,
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not correctly, to have George Kirby throw to rehab performances
in the big leagues and have Bryce Miller do the
same thing, and you kind of turned the rotation upside down.
And I think they could have weathered better this stretch
had they knock done that with those two guys. Granted,
it's hard not to want those guys back, you know,
so that's part of the problem. A lot of their
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additions haven't necessarily been great offensive editions. As they've tried
to shuffle the lip and made additions to the club,
Taveris ends up being a guy that doesn't hit and
plays every day, and then suddenly the master Bony Dylan
Moore and right field is gone. And then Dylan Moore's
lost his way because they've got a kid at second
and the kid at third, so he doesn't play, and
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now he's not swinging the back. Rebos was on base
like five hundred, but he can't play anymore. He's got
to go to triple A. So there's a lot of
that around the middle of the lineup, and the Riddle
lineup has really just been been Raleigh, so that makes
you challenged offensively. And then the pitching side outside of
the inconsistency because of the starting rotation shuffle. When you
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have to shuffle, Look what happens Logan Evans who throws
eight Maddox like innings and then doesn't pitch for two weeks.
He throws four innings over two weeks and not in
the big weeks, and he comes back and he's not
as sharp. He was okay, but not as sharp. He
hadn't pitched much in two weeks, right because they had
to cool him, hoping that Bryce Miller was going to
be okay, when they should have tested Brek Miller in
triple A. They could have shuffled the deck. They could
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have Emerson Hancock in there before they went to Kirby
too soon. They could have pitched Castillo on turn, they
could have pitched wu on turn. There was a way
to be more efficient. And lastly, their boatpen has just
gotten overexposed, and they're not uber talented and they only
have one left handed pitcher. Oh, by the way, the
league's getting left handed. Every team's got five or six
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in the lineup or seven or eight. The rover is gone,
and we have no left handed pitching. How many times?
How many pieces can you slice spire into? Then Wilson's
hands are tied, So it's a number of things, But
that doesn't mean it can't sort itself out. Their pitching
is good enough that it kind of stabilizes here with
Gilbert coming back, that they could be They could get back,
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could get their feet underneath them and just be average offensively.
But they do need a cup, They need a couple
of things, and I don't think they can get those
things right away. The deadline's a little ways off, so
they're gonna have to figure it out.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Bill.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
I saw a different type of offense when Dan and
Edgar took over in September of last year. I saw
that carry over into April and this year, and then
I just saw it disappear again, and I don't know
where it's gone. And they haven't run as much. I mean,
they stole thirty seven bases in April, they stole sixteen
in May. Like this is just a dramatic reversion back
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to the Scott Service offense. Why has it been like that?
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Do you think, Well, they're just.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
They're not getting as many guys on base, and the
guys that could really run don't play as much. Dylan
More can really run, but he doesn't play. And now
when he comes back, he's not swinging the back dead.
Master Bonney can really run, but he didn't play. And
you know the other two kids are just learning Williamson
and Cole Young and Tavaris. That was a really interesting
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experiment for Free main Bucks. A guy that can't play
right can't play the outfield right. I mean we saw
two instances where it was just almost like what, this's
the big leagues running back and almost like you're a
blind man and kind of throwing your glove up. I
mean wow. But addressing the on base, it's the on base.
They had so many guys getting on base with a
wat that they were able to kind of run and
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move the game along and I think there's a lot
more trust when things are going good and you're getting
more contributions from other people. Everybody's willing to kind of
pass the baton. When things go bad. It tends to be, oh,
I'm going to get it done, because that's my job.
I'm in the middle of lineup. I'm a three or
four or five hitter. And then guys try to try to,
you know, make it happen. Maybe on a pitch that's
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not a pitch they should be swinging at that, they
should allow the game to move to the next guy.
I'm over generalizing, but you know, their offense is just talented.
They're not real talented. Okay, that doesn't mean they can't
win with an average offense, but they're not. They can't
overcome starting pitching. It goes four innings, three eatings, four innings,
five ings. Just everything gets exposed, right, you have to
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score more, and your bullpen gets stretched, and then you
start playing long ball to try to get back in games,
and there you go. You revert to the mean and
you fall into old habits.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Well, you mentioned the bullpen getting stressed, and Bill Krueger
again with us courtesy of the New Occidental Beer Hall,
which opens up in six days from now. By the way,
confirm next Wednesday that Puppy is going to be active
and online just outside Luomenfield, so check it out and
don't forget the Queen Ann Beer Hall and the Moss
Bay Hall in Kirkland. That last year the Mariners pitched
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the fewest relief fittings in baseball, less than five hundred.
Now they're on pace for over six hundred this year.
Bullpen getting stressed direct result of the pitching staff rotation
getting banged up.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yep, yeah, it's a direct correlation. And they obviously always
are leaning on their system and their ability to find
undervalue pitching, and they've done a pretty job of that.
Speaker 7 (07:57):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Picking up uh well, Kolwar coming back. I mean, he's
he he looks like he's going to be a valuable edition.
He's healthy. But certainly Vargas was a nice fine But
maybe they're asking a little too much of a guy
that had really zero experience and all of a sudden
he's pitching in critical situations. They don't the depth isn't
maybe enough, it's probably enough if you've got guys that
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are going quality, star quality, star quality, start, you've got enough.
They've got three really good ones and two that probably
can pitch the middle enough that in winning situations you're
going to be okay. But yeah, when you're having to
cover five five innings, four innings, five innings, three innings,
four and five and that's that's a lot for any
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staff in today's game. So they're going to have to
expect their starting pitching to pitch more and pitch deeper.
And they can, they really can. These guys are built
to go deeper and they should start to round round
into form because look at how Kirby's pitched his last time.
He's finally looking like himself. And you know, Emerson Hancock's
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been really solid. They really don't push him as much
as they could. He could pitch more. Wo can certainly
pitch more. Castillo is a generational arm that can throw
one hundred and ten to one hundred and fifty fifty
in a game if you wanted to. He's one of
those guys. So they have the ability to carry the
game deeper. And I think things start to settle down
when you do that, and then you start to see
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seven innings with the two guys you like at the
end and win three to two and win four to three.
I mean, that's still within their grasp, but that doesn't
mean that they don't need another bat and that they
don't need another pitcher in the bullpen, preferably a left
handed guy.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
Bill want to go back to that first game against Arizona,
because I think that that game.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Bothered me more than any other game. Probably in this
losing streak.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
You have runner on at second base and no outs
five different times in that game, and there is no
effort to try to move that guy around along. No
effort in the tenth, no effort in the eleventh, and
then you end up losing the baseball game. Where are
you on how you handle runner on second nobody out,
particularly in the new fangled extra innings world.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Well, when you're playing ghost runner, I'm I'm I'm of
the of the belief that you know, if you don't
have the ability to get inside out the baseball, if
you're right handed, then you should you should you should,
you should bunt because once it gets the third, you're
going to score. It's tougher when you're on the road
because on the road you can't assure yourself to win
by scoring you've got to score and then hold. So
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the temptation is to score more than one. But I
think that you should always try to move the runner
to third. And I like the bunt. We've watched s
winning teams. We watched Arizona bunt. We've watched clubs that
we played against bunt more than we bunt or the
team bunts. So I'm I'm of the belief you know,
I'm older school, so I of the beliefs that that
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bunting the ball and moving the guy to third, if
you can't hit the ball right hand side, then that's
a good play. I mean, it's just it seems like
a free run. You get the guy to third. It's
it's a free run almost right. You're handing, You're handing
the game. You're handing. At least in the ear I
played in, we'd be like, oh, you're handing us a run.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, But there's bill, there's one thing you're missing here,
I think, and I think I think a lot of
people are missing this. And you've said it now a
couple of times. In my era when I played right,
it's twenty twenty five. All of us, all of us
grew up being taught how to bunt? Can these can
these guys do it?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I don't see any reason why. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
They're not trained to do it, is why they've never
done it.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
That's why I'm not. I'm not. I probably bunted as
a professional maybe a dozen times in these like little
pockets of opportunities where I bunted a little bit in
the nash League, a little bit in Triple A. I
probably done it twelve times, maybe a little bit more
counting counting spring training games. I never fail. And I was.
I was an irregular hitter, irregular right.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Career there and here and there.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Well, so yes, and I grew up like you and
we bunted, and the guys don't bunt. And you know,
there's a lot of.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
That.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
The new the new thinking is why bunt? Why give up?
And out right, and a lot of that's built around
the fact that that people slug because the strike zone
is big and nobody can put it in play, and
we still shift and the sabermetritions sink. Well, they can't
string three hits some row together, they can't string another hit,
they can't string two hits, and really they can't put
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the ball in play, So why should we give an out.
Our best chance is to walk and slug, and so
that you start playing that way, and guys are getting
paid to do that, and they forget that these are
these little these little things that help you win, and
they get thrown out the window. Because as long as
you're gonna keep paying guys to hit twenty five homers
and strack out one hundred and eighty times, guys are
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gonna keep trying to do it right, why wouldn't you
can get paid. That's not good baseball for me, but
that's that's the pay structure until somebody sits down and says, hey,
I'm gonna build a team a certain way. I'm going
to have guys that use the whole field, and that's
the kind of guy that's going to move up in
our system. We're gonna put the ball in play, and
we're going to try to lead the league in doubles,
and we're gonna play defense and catch and pitch, and
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I'm gonna pay guys to do it. I'm going to
retain guys. I'm going to retain a two eighty hitter
that's hits forty doubles and not shoot for the guy
that hits two twenty, that hits twenty five homers.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I just guarantee you that there's another show in the
country that's asking the same question, Dick, is how come
our guys don't bunt in the tenth inning with a
runner on base. I mean, it's not like these games
are going fourteen to fifteen innings, guys, and everyone's just
bunting and sacking people over.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Nobody can do it anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
It's incredible, Bill, listen, great stuff and good to catch
you up.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Always appreciate the therapy. We'll talk in a week my Friendsville.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, Hank Tuff pitching is coming, the pitching, the big
pitching is coming. So things are going to get better.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Bill Krueger with us again, have confirmed that the Occidental
Beer Hall is going to open up next Wednesday, all right,
June the eighteenth, six days from now, that Puppy's going
to be open. So you're heading down there over the
course of the next week for whatever reason, stop by
the new Occidental Beer Hall and check it out. Mike
Silvester did call back, by the way from Everett. That
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means we are perfect and we can breathe easy because
we're off early tonight. We're pulling it for an s
and we're down at five o'clock tonight for the hockey
game Florida at Edmonton, Game number four Stanley Cup Finals
at five. We'll wrap it up with some text amdials
coming next on the unnamed text line.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Oh yeah, I'm sorry. Fun with audio next.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
The text will be at forty five after But right now,
a US open update from Oakmont right here on ninety
three three KJRFM.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
It's now time for sufday in Dig's fun with audio.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Jimmy g pots do, Jimmy, mister garoppolo. Now let's have
some fun with audio.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
All right, don't forget.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
We got Silicup Finals hockey. We're all holding for the
Oilers tonight, right, we can agree on that. Come on, boys,
let's make this a series tonight, Game number four Florida.
This is something wrong about the Florida Panthers being the
Stanley Cup champions and going for back to back titles.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
I am out on Florida, I am out on Bay,
I'm out on.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Nashville for exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Unless you're not freezing your nuts off, you can't weard
to Stanley Cup title. And we freeze our nuts off
in Seattle, so we qualified by a way.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
We're close to Canada some people. Some people think we're
in Alaska.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Don't we get some credit for being that close to Canada?
For God's sakes, we've been doing that for how many
years now? And we got to get some kind of
prize for that. So further north than parts of camp
give us our cup for God's sakes? All right, how
about a little fun with audio slash Hey did you
hear that?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Hey, Dick, did you happen to hear that?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
What's that?
Speaker 5 (15:50):
What's that?
Speaker 7 (15:51):
Dick?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
During the NBA TV pregame show for yesterday's finals game,
which the Pacers won by the way, day you Charles
Barkley dounding off on the Knicks for firing Tom Thibodeau
and not hiring a new coach quickly.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
The Knicks gotta be the stupidest dawn people in the world,
Like you don't find no good coach like that and
don't have a plan. I mean, Tips did a hell
of a job. Obvioicely sum's going on now, But also
you don't have a plan and now the three coaches
turn you down. You gotta have a plan. Man, and
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they don't have a plan. Now, I mean, I don't
know what the hell they're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So like, for example, and I've mentioned this before to you,
on the year the Detroit Pistons won their division in
two thousand and three, they went fifty and thirty two
when they went to the conference finals and they fired
Rick Carlile. Why they fire Rick Carlisle to hire Larry Brown,
who won the NBA title the next year. Yes, because
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Rick Carlile they thought was falling a little bit short
with the talent they had, and so they had a plan.
The plan is, hey, we're old, goe to fire Rick
Carlisle if we can get Larry Brown, right, And they
fired him, and they got Larry Brown, and they won
a title and went to the finals the next year.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
After that, Del Harris, we have a plan. We're gonna
throw Del Harris. Can't win with Shaq and Kobe, so
let's bring in Phil Jackson win with Shocking.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
So what the hell are the stupid ass next doing.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
It really is amazing how bad they've been for as
long as they've been.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
You know what, right, ownership two words James and Dolan.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Yeah, that's right. Owner and ship owner and ship All right, Dick,
did you happen to hear that?
Speaker 5 (17:32):
What's that? Dick?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
On Bill Simmons Ringer podcast yesterday. This is why airlines
provide vomit bags for people, just in case of emergency.
This is why this radio show should start providing vomit
bags for people, because you might need one.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Bill Simmons twisting the knife for Sonic fans talking about
what could have been for basketball for Seattle if the
team did not go to OKAC.
Speaker 8 (17:56):
I was starting to wonder about them in the context
historically of most devastating franchise of the relocations ever, because
Seattle doesn't just lose professional basketball starting in two thousand
and eight, they also lose Durant Russell Westbrook who had
just been drafted by them. But they're about to leave
Sam Presty, who I would say is probably been the
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smartest GM of the last twenty years, and now they
have this like dynasty potentially sitting there and you're in
Seattle going it was already horrific that we lost our team,
but now we have to watch this other team basically
become a rocket ship. Would things have played out of
the same if the team stays in Seattle.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
I guess that's a hard.
Speaker 8 (18:36):
Thing to know, you know, hold on there. So that's
one of the great what IFFs of this century. This
is a completely different Kevin Durant conversation. I just don't
think Durant ever leaves. I think he's Seattle for life.
I think he's still there. I think he's like Kobe
and the Lakers for Seattle.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
I really do.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Yeah. So that's what's pissed me off.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
And it's why I'm really shocked, honestly that you're more
charitable in your forgiveness than I am, because you've got
a basketball loving son who was robbed of all of
those unbelievable moments, those unbelievable players. It's certainly possible that
Howard Schultz does not hire Sam Presty to be his
general man. That's correct because Clay Bennett did that in
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two thousand and seven. So to make myself feel better,
I'm going to live in a world where Howard Schultz
just hires Doult after Dult after Dalton, he probably to
be his GM. I mean, he never gets Sam Presty,
but he's dead on on Durant, absolutely dead Durant did
here he really.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Question to say, to predict that he would be in
one place for seventeen eighteen years, Like, whoever does that?
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Well, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
What's worse that are the Browns fans watching Cleveland leave
and then five years later they win a Super Bowl
with Baltimore in two thousand.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
But at least didn't they know from the get go
that they were going to get a team back quickly?
Speaker 9 (19:53):
Yeah, but they still won a championship and that was
thirty years ago and they're still trying. Yeah, they haven't
even made a Super Bowl since, they haven't even made
the conference title game since they took off and with
the Baltimore at ninety five.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
You know you mentioned you mentioned Dixon.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Like, the one thing that's nice for me is that
he doesn't have any of those scars, so he just
embraces the game as it is for a while.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Well, I know, I don't want him to be polluted
by you.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Yes, you do, so, Yes, I enjoy watching the games
with him because he can just embrace it for the
basketball that it is.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Next time I see Dixon, I'm gonna grab him and
take him aside and say, son, let me tell you
what you don't have let me tell you what.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
You lost because of that son of a bat.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Something would ever sink in for somebody that wasn't fair.
I saw taken into him. All right, Hey, Dick, did
you happen to hear that?
Speaker 5 (20:39):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Dick?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
After the Pacers took down the Thunder in Game three
of the NBA Finals, Indie Gonna star Tyrese Halliburton was
asked about media critics who say that he does not
score enough.
Speaker 10 (20:51):
Terry su impact the game a lot of different ways,
not just scoring obviously, but when you don't score, there
is sometimes some chatter. How cognizant were you of that
chadow the last couple of days. Was it a conversation
you had with coaches at all? And how you go
about kind of calibrating that balance between the playmaking and
scoring in general?
Speaker 11 (21:08):
Yeah, I think the commentary is always going to be
what it is. You know, most of the time, the
talking heads on the major platforms, I couldn't care less honestly,
like what do they really know about basketball? But I
think as a group, you know, and watching film myself,
seeing where I can get better is important.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
And I mean at a.
Speaker 11 (21:29):
Time like this, I'm not really on social media as much.
I try to stay off it as much as I can,
but you know, you see it, and you know ESPN
what might be on in my house, and there it is,
and I think just seeing where I could be better
is the most important thing. The commentary is what it
is at this point. You know, it doesn't matter. You know,
we're here in the NBA Finals, two wins away from
an NBA championship.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
So so the what do they know about basketball anyway
is just kind of a weak ass line for someone
to say. That's what you say when someone is critical
of you or just agrees with you. I mean, Charles Barkley,
Shaquille O'Neal, all those guys, right, they know tons of
basketball for sure. But how about this this morning, Dick?
To follow that up, I don't want to get your
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thoughts on all this on. First take Steven A responding
to Tyrese Halliburton's comments about his media criticism.
Speaker 12 (22:20):
First of all, the media includes folks who played Charles Barkley,
played Kenny Smith, played Jack played.
Speaker 13 (22:30):
We're not going to question their knowledge about basketball. And
you can try to question Monel. You want to have
been covering the NBA for thirty years.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Good luck with that.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
We're talking about a Tyreese Halliburton.
Speaker 13 (22:40):
You're averaging twenty point eight points a game on forty
eight percent shooting in wins. You're averaging twelve point six
points on forty three percent shooting in losses. And oh,
by the way, just in case he was talking about me,
my brother, I'm not going.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
Away, No, you're not.
Speaker 13 (22:59):
I'm going to be here for a whiles. I'm gonna
be here for a while. So next year, the year
after that, and the year after that and the year
after that, I'm going to be here. And players far
more accomplished and far more superior have made their efforts
trying to call me out.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
How has that worked out?
Speaker 2 (23:20):
So I do agree with him that Again, a lot
of guys in the media played basketball, and I mean,
if you went to Tyree's Haliburton and said, hey, this
guy over here says that you shoot plenty in the
year of pass first Guard and blah blah blah, Well,
so is that okay? I mean, if he says something
you agree with, then does the opinion matter?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
So that's just kind of weak, and it's always been weak.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
But on the other side of it, I don't get
the hate for this guy, Like, how do you not
love Tyree's.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Halliburton and the story of what he's been doing.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I mean, steven A obviously sounds like an arrogant sob,
which he is and it's part of the reason why
he's so good at what he does. But I don't know,
is there a beef with these guys, with Halliburton and
steven A.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Steven A wants to make a beef with everybody.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
Haliburton's comments were fine other than I agree with you.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
You don't need the whole what do they know about basketball?
Any you know? You don't need to add that part.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Everything else I thought was fantastic, and he has been
great at the podium all playoffs long. Steven A was
fine for like the first thirty seconds as well, but
then then to call out his shooting percentage and wins
versus listen to this guy has carried his basketball team
to the finals. Right He has been arguably the most
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clutch player in any playoffs in NBA history.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Who else has has.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
Pulled their team back from fourteen point deficits four different times?
Speaker 2 (24:43):
No, buddy, If there's a critical story right now, it's
the choke job happening with Oklahoma City. I mean that
should be the critical story. Instead, apparently it's Tyre's Halliburton,
which is crazy, but for us, it's very.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Good, very thank you Steven A. Smith, so up again.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Go find Tyree's Alibertan before game four and say you
know what, man, you suck. You shouldn't even be here,
you're a bum. And then see what happens on Friday Night.
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our friend Bill Krueger. Billy, how are you man?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I'm good. That's good. Hear your voice. It's so clear
and perfect.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Now, yeah, I heard you after your trip.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
It wasn't so good, but you must be feeling better.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, I felt fine the whole time, right, I mean
it just my voice sounded like crap, which is hard
to do when you're in radio. But I just want
to give you the floor. What the hell's going on
with this baseball team?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Billy? Give us your thoughts from thirty five thousand feet.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Well, you know, they raced to a pretty good start,
you know, their april they were just incredibly offensively driven
and they had a lot of contributions. In fact, it
was right when they had a batch of injuries that
they kind of took off Rollbodys went down, Bliss went down.
Then were they not too far after that? And then
they just had this sort of amazing ham and egg
bottom of the order, the Master, Bonie Reeves, Dylan Moore,
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all these different guys combining to really give this offense
a lot of on base and the role he's cleaning
everything up, and they look like, wow, just think what's
they're going to be like when they're pitching returns and
you know, some of the shine has come off the
offense and you know they were hoping that maybe you know,
the timing would be perfect, the pitching would come back
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in full force, and as a hitting kind of settled
itself down, they'd find the happy medium and they continue
to win. But that hasn't been the case. They've had
some inconsistency on the mound. A lot of it's because
you just can't turn the big, the big aircraft carrier,
that being the starting pitcher around too quick, and unfortunately,
the club had to suffer to and in my opinion,
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not correctly, to have George Kirby throw to rehab performances
in the big leagues and have Bryce Miller do the
same thing, and you kind of turned the rotation upside down.
And I think they could have weathered better this stretch
had they knock done that with those two guys. Granted,
it's hard not to want those guys back, you know,
so that's part of the problem. A lot of their
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additions haven't necessarily been great offensive editions. As they've tried
to shuffle the lip and made additions to the club,
Taveris ends up being a guy that doesn't hit and
plays every day, and then suddenly the master Bony Dylan
Moore and right field is gone. And then Dylan Moore's
lost his way because they've got a kid at second
and the kid at third, so he doesn't play, and
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now he's not swinging the back. Rebos was on base
like five hundred, but he can't play anymore. He's got
to go to triple A. So there's a lot of
that around the middle of the lineup, and the Riddle
lineup has really just been been Raleigh, so that makes
you challenged offensively. And then the pitching side outside of
the inconsistency because of the starting rotation shuffle. When you
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have to shuffle, Look what happens Logan Evans who throws
eight Maddox like innings and then doesn't pitch for two weeks.
He throws four innings over two weeks and not in
the big weeks, and he comes back and he's not
as sharp. He was okay, but not as sharp. He
hadn't pitched much in two weeks, right because they had
to cool him, hoping that Bryce Miller was going to
be okay, when they should have tested Brek Miller in
triple A. They could have shuffled the deck. They could
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have Emerson Hancock in there before they went to Kirby
too soon. They could have pitched Castillo on turn, they
could have pitched wu on turn. There was a way
to be more efficient. And lastly, their boatpen has just
gotten overexposed, and they're not uber talented and they only
have one left handed pitcher. Oh, by the way, the
league's getting left handed. Every team's got five or six
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in the lineup or seven or eight. The rover is gone,
and we have no left handed pitching. How many times?
How many pieces can you slice spire into? Then Wilson's
hands are tied, So it's a number of things, But
that doesn't mean it can't sort itself out. Their pitching
is good enough that it kind of stabilizes here with
Gilbert coming back, that they could be They could get back,
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could get their feet underneath them and just be average offensively.
But they do need a cup, They need a couple
of things, and I don't think they can get those
things right away. The deadline's a little ways off, so
they're gonna have to figure it out.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Bill.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
I saw a different type of offense when Dan and
Edgar took over in September of last year. I saw
that carry over into April and this year, and then
I just saw it disappear again, and I don't know
where it's gone. And they haven't run as much. I mean,
they stole thirty seven bases in April, they stole sixteen
in May. Like this is just a dramatic reversion back
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to the Scott Service offense. Why has it been like that?
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Do you think, Well, they're just.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
They're not getting as many guys on base, and the
guys that could really run don't play as much. Dylan
More can really run, but he doesn't play. And now
when he comes back, he's not swinging the back dead.
Master Bonney can really run, but he didn't play. And
you know the other two kids are just learning Williamson
and Cole Young and Tavaris. That was a really interesting
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experiment for Free main Bucks. A guy that can't play
right can't play the outfield right. I mean we saw
two instances where it was just almost like what, this's
the big leagues running back and almost like you're a
blind man and kind of throwing your glove up. I
mean wow. But addressing the on base, it's the on base.
They had so many guys getting on base with a
wat that they were able to kind of run and
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move the game along and I think there's a lot
more trust when things are going good and you're getting
more contributions from other people. Everybody's willing to kind of
pass the baton. When things go bad. It tends to be, oh,
I'm going to get it done, because that's my job.
I'm in the middle of lineup. I'm a three or
four or five hitter. And then guys try to try to,
you know, make it happen. Maybe on a pitch that's
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not a pitch they should be swinging at that, they
should allow the game to move to the next guy.
I'm over generalizing, but you know, their offense is just talented.
They're not real talented. Okay, that doesn't mean they can't
win with an average offense, but they're not. They can't
overcome starting pitching. It goes four innings, three eatings, four innings,
five ings. Just everything gets exposed, right, you have to
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score more, and your bullpen gets stretched, and then you
start playing long ball to try to get back in games,
and there you go. You revert to the mean and
you fall into old habits.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
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the fewest relief fittings in baseball, less than five hundred.
Now they're on pace for over six hundred this year.
Bullpen getting stressed direct result of the pitching staff rotation
getting banged up.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yep, yeah, it's a direct correlation. And they obviously always
are leaning on their system and their ability to find
undervalue pitching, and they've done a pretty job of that.
Speaker 7 (07:57):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Picking up uh well, Kolwar coming back. I mean, he's
he he looks like he's going to be a valuable edition.
He's healthy. But certainly Vargas was a nice fine But
maybe they're asking a little too much of a guy
that had really zero experience and all of a sudden
he's pitching in critical situations. They don't the depth isn't
maybe enough, it's probably enough if you've got guys that
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are going quality, star quality, star quality, start, you've got enough.
They've got three really good ones and two that probably
can pitch the middle enough that in winning situations you're
going to be okay. But yeah, when you're having to
cover five five innings, four innings, five innings, three innings,
four and five and that's that's a lot for any
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staff in today's game. So they're going to have to
expect their starting pitching to pitch more and pitch deeper.
And they can, they really can. These guys are built
to go deeper and they should start to round round
into form because look at how Kirby's pitched his last time.
He's finally looking like himself. And you know, Emerson Hancock's
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been really solid. They really don't push him as much
as they could. He could pitch more. Wo can certainly
pitch more. Castillo is a generational arm that can throw
one hundred and ten to one hundred and fifty fifty
in a game if you wanted to. He's one of
those guys. So they have the ability to carry the
game deeper. And I think things start to settle down
when you do that, and then you start to see
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seven innings with the two guys you like at the
end and win three to two and win four to three.
I mean, that's still within their grasp, but that doesn't
mean that they don't need another bat and that they
don't need another pitcher in the bullpen, preferably a left
handed guy.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
Bill want to go back to that first game against Arizona,
because I think that that game.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Bothered me more than any other game. Probably in this
losing streak.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
You have runner on at second base and no outs
five different times in that game, and there is no
effort to try to move that guy around along. No
effort in the tenth, no effort in the eleventh, and
then you end up losing the baseball game. Where are
you on how you handle runner on second nobody out,
particularly in the new fangled extra innings world.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Well, when you're playing ghost runner, I'm I'm I'm of
the of the belief that you know, if you don't
have the ability to get inside out the baseball, if
you're right handed, then you should you should you should,
you should bunt because once it gets the third, you're
going to score. It's tougher when you're on the road
because on the road you can't assure yourself to win
by scoring you've got to score and then hold. So
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the temptation is to score more than one. But I
think that you should always try to move the runner
to third. And I like the bunt. We've watched s
winning teams. We watched Arizona bunt. We've watched clubs that
we played against bunt more than we bunt or the
team bunts. So I'm I'm of the belief you know,
I'm older school, so I of the beliefs that that
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bunting the ball and moving the guy to third, if
you can't hit the ball right hand side, then that's
a good play. I mean, it's just it seems like
a free run. You get the guy to third. It's
it's a free run almost right. You're handing, You're handing
the game. You're handing. At least in the ear I
played in, we'd be like, oh, you're handing us a run.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, But there's bill, there's one thing you're missing here,
I think, and I think I think a lot of
people are missing this. And you've said it now a
couple of times. In my era when I played right,
it's twenty twenty five. All of us, all of us
grew up being taught how to bunt? Can these can
these guys do it?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I don't see any reason why. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
They're not trained to do it, is why they've never
done it.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
That's why I'm not. I'm not. I probably bunted as
a professional maybe a dozen times in these like little
pockets of opportunities where I bunted a little bit in
the nash League, a little bit in Triple A. I
probably done it twelve times, maybe a little bit more
counting counting spring training games. I never fail. And I was.
I was an irregular hitter, irregular right.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Career there and here and there.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Well, so yes, and I grew up like you and
we bunted, and the guys don't bunt. And you know,
there's a lot of.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
That.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
The new the new thinking is why bunt? Why give up?
And out right, and a lot of that's built around
the fact that that people slug because the strike zone
is big and nobody can put it in play, and
we still shift and the sabermetritions sink. Well, they can't
string three hits some row together, they can't string another hit,
they can't string two hits, and really they can't put
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the ball in play, So why should we give an out.
Our best chance is to walk and slug, and so
that you start playing that way, and guys are getting
paid to do that, and they forget that these are
these little these little things that help you win, and
they get thrown out the window. Because as long as
you're gonna keep paying guys to hit twenty five homers
and strack out one hundred and eighty times, guys are
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gonna keep trying to do it right, why wouldn't you
can get paid. That's not good baseball for me, but
that's that's the pay structure until somebody sits down and says, hey,
I'm gonna build a team a certain way. I'm going
to have guys that use the whole field, and that's
the kind of guy that's going to move up in
our system. We're gonna put the ball in play, and
we're going to try to lead the league in doubles,
and we're gonna play defense and catch and pitch, and
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I'm gonna pay guys to do it. I'm going to
retain guys. I'm going to retain a two eighty hitter
that's hits forty doubles and not shoot for the guy
that hits two twenty, that hits twenty five homers.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I just guarantee you that there's another show in the
country that's asking the same question, Dick, is how come
our guys don't bunt in the tenth inning with a
runner on base. I mean, it's not like these games
are going fourteen to fifteen innings, guys, and everyone's just
bunting and sacking people over.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Nobody can do it anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
It's incredible, Bill, listen, great stuff and good to catch
you up.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Always appreciate the therapy. We'll talk in a week my Friendsville.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, Hank Tuff pitching is coming, the pitching, the big
pitching is coming. So things are going to get better.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Bill Krueger with us again, have confirmed that the Occidental
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means we are perfect and we can breathe easy because
we're off early tonight. We're pulling it for an s
and we're down at five o'clock tonight for the hockey
game Florida at Edmonton, Game number four Stanley Cup Finals
at five. We'll wrap it up with some text amdials
coming next on the unnamed text line.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Oh yeah, I'm sorry. Fun with audio next.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
The text will be at forty five after But right now,
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Speaker 4 (14:47):
It's now time for sufday in Dig's fun with audio.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Jimmy g pots do, Jimmy, mister garoppolo. Now let's have
some fun with audio.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
All right, don't forget.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
We got Silicup Finals hockey. We're all holding for the
Oilers tonight, right, we can agree on that. Come on, boys,
let's make this a series tonight, Game number four Florida.
This is something wrong about the Florida Panthers being the
Stanley Cup champions and going for back to back titles.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
I am out on Florida, I am out on Bay,
I'm out on.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Nashville for exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Unless you're not freezing your nuts off, you can't weard
to Stanley Cup title. And we freeze our nuts off
in Seattle, so we qualified by a way.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
We're close to Canada some people. Some people think we're
in Alaska.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Don't we get some credit for being that close to Canada?
For God's sakes, we've been doing that for how many
years now? And we got to get some kind of
prize for that. So further north than parts of camp
give us our cup for God's sakes? All right, how
about a little fun with audio slash Hey did you
hear that?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Hey, Dick, did you happen to hear that?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
What's that?
Speaker 5 (15:50):
What's that?
Speaker 7 (15:51):
Dick?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
During the NBA TV pregame show for yesterday's finals game,
which the Pacers won by the way, day you Charles
Barkley dounding off on the Knicks for firing Tom Thibodeau
and not hiring a new coach quickly.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
The Knicks gotta be the stupidest dawn people in the world,
Like you don't find no good coach like that and
don't have a plan. I mean, Tips did a hell
of a job. Obvioicely sum's going on now, But also
you don't have a plan and now the three coaches
turn you down. You gotta have a plan. Man, and
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they don't have a plan. Now, I mean, I don't
know what the hell they're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So like, for example, and I've mentioned this before to you,
on the year the Detroit Pistons won their division in
two thousand and three, they went fifty and thirty two
when they went to the conference finals and they fired
Rick Carlile. Why they fire Rick Carlisle to hire Larry Brown,
who won the NBA title the next year. Yes, because
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Rick Carlile they thought was falling a little bit short
with the talent they had, and so they had a plan.
The plan is, hey, we're old, goe to fire Rick
Carlisle if we can get Larry Brown, right, And they
fired him, and they got Larry Brown, and they won
a title and went to the finals the next year.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
After that, Del Harris, we have a plan. We're gonna
throw Del Harris. Can't win with Shaq and Kobe, so
let's bring in Phil Jackson win with Shocking.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
So what the hell are the stupid ass next doing.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
It really is amazing how bad they've been for as
long as they've been.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
You know what, right, ownership two words James and Dolan.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Yeah, that's right. Owner and ship owner and ship All right, Dick,
did you happen to hear that?
Speaker 5 (17:32):
What's that? Dick?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
On Bill Simmons Ringer podcast yesterday. This is why airlines
provide vomit bags for people, just in case of emergency.
This is why this radio show should start providing vomit
bags for people, because you might need one.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Bill Simmons twisting the knife for Sonic fans talking about
what could have been for basketball for Seattle if the
team did not go to OKAC.
Speaker 8 (17:56):
I was starting to wonder about them in the context
historically of most devastating franchise of the relocations ever, because
Seattle doesn't just lose professional basketball starting in two thousand
and eight, they also lose Durant Russell Westbrook who had
just been drafted by them. But they're about to leave
Sam Presty, who I would say is probably been the
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smartest GM of the last twenty years, and now they
have this like dynasty potentially sitting there and you're in
Seattle going it was already horrific that we lost our team,
but now we have to watch this other team basically
become a rocket ship. Would things have played out of
the same if the team stays in Seattle.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
I guess that's a hard.
Speaker 8 (18:36):
Thing to know, you know, hold on there. So that's
one of the great what IFFs of this century. This
is a completely different Kevin Durant conversation. I just don't
think Durant ever leaves. I think he's Seattle for life.
I think he's still there. I think he's like Kobe
and the Lakers for Seattle.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
I really do.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Yeah. So that's what's pissed me off.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
And it's why I'm really shocked, honestly that you're more
charitable in your forgiveness than I am, because you've got
a basketball loving son who was robbed of all of
those unbelievable moments, those unbelievable players. It's certainly possible that
Howard Schultz does not hire Sam Presty to be his
general man. That's correct because Clay Bennett did that in
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two thousand and seven. So to make myself feel better,
I'm going to live in a world where Howard Schultz
just hires Doult after Dult after Dalton, he probably to
be his GM. I mean, he never gets Sam Presty,
but he's dead on on Durant, absolutely dead Durant did
here he really.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Question to say, to predict that he would be in
one place for seventeen eighteen years, Like, whoever does that?
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Well, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
What's worse that are the Browns fans watching Cleveland leave
and then five years later they win a Super Bowl
with Baltimore in two thousand.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
But at least didn't they know from the get go
that they were going to get a team back quickly?
Speaker 9 (19:53):
Yeah, but they still won a championship and that was
thirty years ago and they're still trying. Yeah, they haven't
even made a Super Bowl since, they haven't even made
the conference title game since they took off and with
the Baltimore at ninety five.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
You know you mentioned you mentioned Dixon.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Like, the one thing that's nice for me is that
he doesn't have any of those scars, so he just
embraces the game as it is for a while.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Well, I know, I don't want him to be polluted
by you.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Yes, you do, so, Yes, I enjoy watching the games
with him because he can just embrace it for the
basketball that it is.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Next time I see Dixon, I'm gonna grab him and
take him aside and say, son, let me tell you
what you don't have let me tell you what.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
You lost because of that son of a bat.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Something would ever sink in for somebody that wasn't fair.
I saw taken into him. All right, Hey, Dick, did
you happen to hear that?
Speaker 5 (20:39):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Dick?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
After the Pacers took down the Thunder in Game three
of the NBA Finals, Indie Gonna star Tyrese Halliburton was
asked about media critics who say that he does not
score enough.
Speaker 10 (20:51):
Terry su impact the game a lot of different ways,
not just scoring obviously, but when you don't score, there
is sometimes some chatter. How cognizant were you of that
chadow the last couple of days. Was it a conversation
you had with coaches at all? And how you go
about kind of calibrating that balance between the playmaking and
scoring in general?
Speaker 11 (21:08):
Yeah, I think the commentary is always going to be
what it is. You know, most of the time, the
talking heads on the major platforms, I couldn't care less honestly,
like what do they really know about basketball? But I
think as a group, you know, and watching film myself,
seeing where I can get better is important.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
And I mean at a.
Speaker 11 (21:29):
Time like this, I'm not really on social media as much.
I try to stay off it as much as I can,
but you know, you see it, and you know ESPN
what might be on in my house, and there it is,
and I think just seeing where I could be better
is the most important thing. The commentary is what it
is at this point. You know, it doesn't matter. You know,
we're here in the NBA Finals, two wins away from
an NBA championship.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
So so the what do they know about basketball anyway
is just kind of a weak ass line for someone
to say. That's what you say when someone is critical
of you or just agrees with you. I mean, Charles Barkley,
Shaquille O'Neal, all those guys, right, they know tons of
basketball for sure. But how about this this morning, Dick?
To follow that up, I don't want to get your
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thoughts on all this on. First take Steven A responding
to Tyrese Halliburton's comments about his media criticism.
Speaker 12 (22:20):
First of all, the media includes folks who played Charles Barkley,
played Kenny Smith, played Jack played.
Speaker 13 (22:30):
We're not going to question their knowledge about basketball. And
you can try to question Monel. You want to have
been covering the NBA for thirty years.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Good luck with that.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
We're talking about a Tyreese Halliburton.
Speaker 13 (22:40):
You're averaging twenty point eight points a game on forty
eight percent shooting in wins. You're averaging twelve point six
points on forty three percent shooting in losses. And oh,
by the way, just in case he was talking about me,
my brother, I'm not going.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
Away, No, you're not.
Speaker 13 (22:59):
I'm going to be here for a whiles. I'm gonna
be here for a while. So next year, the year
after that, and the year after that and the year
after that, I'm going to be here. And players far
more accomplished and far more superior have made their efforts
trying to call me out.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
How has that worked out?
Speaker 2 (23:20):
So I do agree with him that Again, a lot
of guys in the media played basketball, and I mean,
if you went to Tyree's Haliburton and said, hey, this
guy over here says that you shoot plenty in the
year of pass first Guard and blah blah blah, Well,
so is that okay? I mean, if he says something
you agree with, then does the opinion matter?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
So that's just kind of weak, and it's always been weak.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
But on the other side of it, I don't get
the hate for this guy, Like, how do you not
love Tyree's.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Halliburton and the story of what he's been doing.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I mean, steven A obviously sounds like an arrogant sob,
which he is and it's part of the reason why
he's so good at what he does. But I don't know,
is there a beef with these guys, with Halliburton and
steven A.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Steven A wants to make a beef with everybody.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
Haliburton's comments were fine other than I agree with you.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
You don't need the whole what do they know about basketball?
Any you know? You don't need to add that part.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Everything else I thought was fantastic, and he has been
great at the podium all playoffs long. Steven A was
fine for like the first thirty seconds as well, but
then then to call out his shooting percentage and wins
versus listen to this guy has carried his basketball team
to the finals. Right He has been arguably the most
(24:33):
clutch player in any playoffs in NBA history.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Who else has has.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
Pulled their team back from fourteen point deficits four different times?
Speaker 2 (24:43):
No, buddy, If there's a critical story right now, it's
the choke job happening with Oklahoma City. I mean that
should be the critical story. Instead, apparently it's Tyre's Halliburton,
which is crazy, but for us, it's very.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Good, very thank you Steven A. Smith, so up again.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Go find Tyree's Alibertan before game four and say you
know what, man, you suck. You shouldn't even be here,
you're a bum. And then see what happens on Friday Night.
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