June 17, 2025 • 53 mins
In the third hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Jon Wilner about the WSU sports cuts and college budgeting, talk to Brian Schmetzer about the Sounders loss in the Club World Cup, then ask Huskies recruit Kodi Greene why he flipped from Oregon.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
All right, here we go.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
You guys don't really get this opportunity very often.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
This is a treat, an absolute treat. Normally we make
you wait till Tuesday. But here we go because we
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Speaker 2 (00:47):
Our friend John Wilner, John, how are you man?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I'm good? Thanks? Happy Monday?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah, happy Monday? Got I hate that? What an oxymoron hat?
Happy Monday?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Shut up.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Day? Rank is? Where does Monday rank on your your
Days of the Week rankings.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Seventh, seventh out of seven? Not even close? Isn't it
seven for you?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Not for me? What's what's number seven for you? Tuesday? Tuesday?
What break?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Man?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Are you kidding me? You guys? Are you know what?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Monday's I got some juice, you know, coming out the weekend,
a lot to talk about, you know, and then you
spew it all out on Monday and you get to Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
You're like, what do I do now?
Speaker 5 (01:26):
I talk to John Wilner usually on Tuesday, which is
the only good thing about Let me just sum it
up for you.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Monday suck ass? Okay, how's that shut? I'm not sure
if I can jackson you with me. By the way,
Monday okay, thank you?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
All right? How about you? John? Number seven on the
days of the list days.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I mean, other than five o'clock to five twenty on Tuesdays?
I have Tuesday's number seven?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Got you? I don't blame you?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
And by the way, five o'clock on Tuesday, if I
were you would be a number seven for me too,
if I were you. Uh wazoo is eliminating track and field?
Kind of what's going on over in Pullman that you
can share with people.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Well, I haven't seen all the details of which events
they are eliminating, but the big news is that they
are scaling back and its track and field. I think
what I think they're doing is focusing on distance running.
That is more you know, a strength of theirs over
the years. But what's happening in Pullman is going to
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happen in other places. Because of this lawsuit and this
revenue sharing, schools are going to have to make hard
decisions on which Olympic sports they're going to keep, which
they're gonna cut, and which they're gonna downsize. And I
think there's gonna be a lot of downsizing in other words,
you know school X, you know tennis program, it's never
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been really successful. They don't want to cut it all together,
so they will just reduce the resources to it and
it will become closer to a club sport. I think
we're going to see tier of sports at a lot
of schools. You know, big ten schools probably are gonna
focus hockey, women's volleyball, right, big those are big sports.
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Maybe not softball as much. SEC schools they love softball
and baseball, they'll focus on them. Maybe other sports will
be downsized more to club level. You have to make
hard decisions when you're when you're you know, distributing twenty
point five million in revenue sharing.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
And this is primarily you're talking about guys sports, right,
I mean, they're not going to chop a girls sport
without chopping a guy sport.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Right, Well, it'll depend. I think that we're gonna see
guys sports are more vulnerable for sure, but there could
be instances where guy where girls sports are getting cut
or scaled back. So you know, maybe you're your women's
soccer coach who had been making five hundred thousand, seven
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hundred and fifty thousand top scale, maybe you know they
get have to take a pay cut, or when that
coach leads, the replacement comes in at two point fifty right,
finding ways to trim the budgets for those sports. Again,
only football and men's basketball are making money, So it's
how much do we want to allocate for a sport
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that is not generating a profit.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Well, John wilners with us again.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
The story that came out today that Washington State is
eliminating field events jumping and throwing entirely from their track
and field program limiting sprints and hurdles in the future.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I mean, I'll just tell you.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I got a buddy of mine whose daughter runs track
at Washington State and she runs the one hundred, two
hundred and four hundred and she's done. She's lost that
chance to run in school. So she's got to make
a call. Does she stay there after two years with
all over friends who she's met, or does she even
go somewhere else to take part in track and field.
But the twenty point five million, for example, John, that
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we talked about last week, that every school can offer
their athletes up to twenty and a half million dollars
in cash pay payments for playing there at that university.
Do you see Washington State maxing out? Do you see
Oregon State maxing out that number?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
No, I don't think any of the schools in the
new PAC twelve will max out or maybe even come close.
I mean I think that those schools could be you know,
seven and a half ten twelve and a half million
in revenue sharing. There's other ways to do it too,
like instead of the direct cash payments, you can apply
additional scholarships. Right because for a lot of sports you
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can now put more athletes on scholarship than you were
allowed to before. So they could do that in some ways,
you know, to help the sports. But I don't think
any of the Pac twelve schools will will be close
to twenty point five. The question for them is how
close will they get on the football front?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Right?
Speaker 4 (05:49):
I mean, big ten SEC schools are gonna go fifteen
million is going to football players plus nil. I would
think Pack twelve schools, how much are they going to
put towards football. Is it gonna be five, is it
gonna be seven and a half, whatever it is, it
won't be close. They're gonna have to just be really
good on recruiting and evaluating and development.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Well, John, you know, I'm concerned with with the golf programs. Obviously,
that's what my son wants to do in college. And
and now golf teams are a little bit different because
there's only a max of nine on a D one
golf team, whereas track and field can have you know,
I think it's capped.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
At forty five.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
So are smaller team rosters like golf maybe a little
more insulated or is it still gonna go more towards
the regionalizing where you know, golf is still gonna be
a good sport in southern California, but it's gonna be
eliminated up north.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
I think it could be regionalizing or just based on this,
you know, history of success at that school. The other
thing you got to account for is in state versus
out of state? Right are you drawing? Are most of
your golfers out of state? Because that's more money for scholarships,
and so that's a budgetary thing you've got to consider.
(07:05):
So you know, I don't so the new golf roster
max is nine?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Is that right? Yeah? Well, at least don has of
right now. I don't. I don't know if it's new.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
I think it's I have to check to see what
it what it has been in the past. I know
it's nine right now.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
So that's you know, is it going to be are
they boosting that up to twelve? Or and has that
been nine? But that's you know, that's an equivalency sports.
So you could have eighteen players each getting a half scholarship, right,
that's what they do in baseball.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yes, you can give halfs. Yes, you know, guys, here's
the thing.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
And John Wilner's with us, and I know it's easy
to get caught up in this and this is the
new way of life and blah blahh it is. I mean,
there's no doubt that this is part of what happens
when you start paying players that you know, teams in
universities have to decide where they want their money spent.
So track and field is getting reduced at Washington State. Okay,
So here's the thing. Getting of programs is a tale
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as old as time. I mean, you dubbed cut both
its men's and women's swimming programs sixteen years ago in
two thousand and nine, So programs get cut all the time.
But I guess the question is this, is this gonna
be a situation John, where simply put, high school athletes
will not have as many opportunities now as they did
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fifteen twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
End their story.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yes, at opportunities as walk ons. There's more scholarship opportunities
because the roster of the scholarship totals have been increased.
But you know, baseball is now thirty four but in
the past, a lot of baseball teams you've had forty
to forty five kids on scholarship, some of them walk on,
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some of them partial scholarships. Now you're going from forty
five back to thirty four as the max. They could
all be on scholarship or not. So overall, the number
of roster spots has been reduced and for walk ons,
for kids who become walk ons, that's where it's gonna
the opportunity is going to get cut.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
The most interesting John willon the're joining us and John
we started this thing is.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Though, this gets to the heart of the the economic
problem because sports has had for decades. Right, is that
you've got, say, you've got two sports that turn a
profit and anywhere from fourteen to twenty four sports that
don't turn a profit that are losing money. And this
subsidiation process where those two are funding everybody else is
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now kind of coming home to roost with this new
economic era. Right, that's the problem. And also the fact
that football with eighties five scholarships counts a Title nine.
If there was some way they could pull football out
of Title nine, it would reconfigure everything.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Wow, well, this is more bills now, right, guys, more
bills and the player payroll is the new bill of all.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
That's right. We started talking about the cougar.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
So let's stay in that conference, John, what is the
timeline for PAC twelve expansion slash media deal?
Speaker 4 (10:11):
You know, I would expect something, possibly both of those
things get wrapped up in the next couple of weeks.
You know. I think that for Texas State July June,
no July first, not June thirtieth. July first, I believe
their their exit fee from the Sun Belt goes up.
I would think that the PAC twelve would want to
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have something finished by July first. So we're you know,
we're getting down to nitty gritty time for the PAC
twelve on both fronts. The fact that they have been
public the Commissioner Teresa Goulds has said publicly that they
are now focused on expansion. That tells me that their
media deal is basically down to just crossing the t's
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dotting the eyes, and they know what they're going to
get with distribution, they know what they're what they're gonna
get with money, and now they're focused on which schools
to add. And I've thought all along Texas State made
the most sense for them.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah, John Wilner with us and John, it's not as
big a deal for us because it's a home game.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
This is a road game.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
But the you did a little piece on the Alabama
Georgia game and Oregon Penn State are all going to
be on the same day as you dub at Ohio State.
I mean, people are trying to plan their fall, right,
kids got games and things, and I don't know it
just I don't know about you guys, but it still
just drives me bananas that the TV networks have so
much power in college football that we can literally just
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let them dictate when these games are played, and they'll
tell us six days.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Before a game. We know of almost all the circumstances, correct.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I mean there's some you know, obviously, flexing and things
like that, but for the most part, you know when
the Seahawks are playing the world's biggest the biggest league
in the country can do this, but college sports can't.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
It just seems so backwards to me.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
But should Husky fans prepare that that Ohio State you
dubbed game on September twenty seventh, it's gonna be a
national TV CBS twelve thirty.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
I can't figure out where it would be anywhere else,
because CBS is not going to pass up a chance
to have Ohio State they are the biggest ratings draw
in college football. It can't be played at in the
Big New Window because they're not gonna kick off nine
am in Husky Stadium, and NBC has already picked Oregon
Penn State for the late game. The Big Twelve, Sorry,
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the Big Ten. There's three slots nine am, Pacific, twelve thirty,
and then four thirty. There's only one available. So I'm
saying it's like ninety nine percent sure that it's gonna
be twelve thirty on CBS.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Love it great, John, You've talked about Tony Petiti's silence
hurting the Big Ten. When it comes to you, he
wants to do as far as how many teams are
guaranteed spots in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Tony Petiti being.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
The conference commissioner, explain more about what you mean by
his silence hurting the conference.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Well, he's got a very radical proposal, which is that
of sixteen spots, thirteen of them are automatic bids. Before
the season even starts, the Big Ten gets four automatic bids,
even if the league isn't very good. It's radical. We
don't see it in any other sport, right. It's like
the NFC West automatically getting two spots in the playoffs
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before they play a single game. NFL would never do that.
But Patiti has not gone public. I think he actually
I don't necessarily agree with him, but I think he's
got some good points. And the Big Ten is losing
the war of public opinion badly, and that opinion matters
in college sports. And if he went public and explained
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here's why it would be better for the game if
we did it this way, because there's all these ripple
effects that would improve the regular season if we do
it this way. But Patiti is a behind doors kind
of got He does not He's certainly not anything like
Larry Scott in terms of look at me. He's not
as comfortable in the public as Greg Sank. But I
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think he should make his case to the public because
he's got some good points.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Well, John, I gotta tell you when you guys, when
Dick mentioned that name, the first thought I had in
my head is I don't even know what the guy's
voice sounds like.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
And I will tell you those I am a little
bit disappointed.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
The average fan may not care about this stuff, but
I think it does impact everybody. The Big Ten does
not do media anywhere near as well as the PAC
twelve did.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I mean, the PAC twelve was.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Incredible media day, thirty six players in coaches, radio row,
everybody going on. I was kind of bummed out that
we missed media day this year, and then I heard
they did nothing down there, nothing like.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
The PAC twelve used to do.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Larry Scott, George Khlaioffkoff, all the coaches, all the players.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
There's none of that stuff going on.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Why is the Big Ten just feel like, hey, we
don't need to do is just not part of their
culture the way it was on the West Coast.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
What's the difference, Well, it starts at the top. Petit
is not a public facing kind of guy. He comes
from the corporate world, you know, he worked for a
TV networks. He is not and I think that that
his approach kind of trickles down. They are going to
have big Big Ten Football Media Day will be in
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Las Vegas in the middle of late July. I guess
it is, But no, they don't. And here's a great contrast, right,
the SEC just had their spring meetings and Sankee was
available to the public every day for like four days
in a row. The Big Ten did their spring meetings
in LA a few weeks ago. There was no media
and Sanki used that platform to make his case for
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what works for the SEC. And it's not only being accountable,
but it is swaying public opinion. And right now the
Big ten's getting crushed on this playoff issue, which is
the hottest topic in the sport.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Well, John, I guess I'm confused why Petit would want
to guarantee four necessarily because I agree more with the
SEC where you're gonna get five plus if you're the
Big Ten. I mean, how would we ever have a
scenario where only three teams made a sixteen team playoff
from the Big Ten?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
We probably wouldn't, And don't forget that in Patiti's model,
there's also a couple of at large bits. So even
though the Big ten would be guaranteed four, you could
potentially get five, whereas if you go the five plus eleven,
the Big ten could get end up getting six bits.
So that's the that's what the SEC sees. They look
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at five plus eleven and they think we're gonna get
six or seven.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
The SEC and I think we should feel the.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Reason Patit, Yeah, and the reason Patiti wants the four.
Automatic pitch is he wants to protect the conference so
that they can schedule tougher non conference games and those
losses won't hurt the teams because the selection committee is
looking at nine three, they're seeing the three and not
the nine. That's his big fear is that the selection
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committee will use losses against you. And if you take
the selection process away from the committee and just guarantee
the big ten four bids, they could schedule much better
non difference games without fear of being punished.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yeah, John Willner, great stuff, man, And uh again, if
you find yourself a little bit lonely tomorrow at five
o'clock in your normal spot, give me a buzz and
we can chat off here.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Right. You got it all right, man, Thanks, thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Next week, you bet John Wilner with us on the
radio show. We'll get to break. Brian Schmetz are going
to join at five point forty five. We're kind of
reshuffling our Tuesday lineup to Monday because of hockey tomorrow.
Cody Green, by the way, is a five star offensive
tackle who committed to Oregon and then left Oregon to
go play for you, Dobb. He's gonna join us at
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Speaker 3 (18:13):
I was thinking myself that Cole Young should be your
new favorite Mariner, Dick. Yeah, drop down a sack punch Saturday,
last airy of the game. God bless, what if Cole
Young drops down the sack bunch Saturday and then turns
to the dug out and says, that is how you
do That's exactly right, you see that, you old archaic bastard.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
See it's how you do that, all you thirty five
year old ten year veterans who can't stick a baseball
bat on a ball and leave it fifteen feet from
home plate.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Looking at you, Polacko, that's how you do that, big boy,
that's how you do that. Cale Rowley, that's how you
do that. Julio Rodrigo, Remember what are you that? Mitch
Garver absolutely offered Rowdy to last if that's.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Even your real name.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Remember a couple of weeks ago. It wasn't the butt,
but he just slapped the ball into the dirt. The
runners was coming on from third, and just handle a ball.
Bats That's all I ask you'll do. Doesn't have to
be a bunt all the time. It can be just
a little slow roller the right side of the infield
to allow the guy at third to score.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
It's not that hard.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I'm just thinking, well, apparently it is very hard for
most Major League.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Very difficult to do it. Otherwise they'd all be doing it.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
I mean, if they could all bunt, if bunning was easy,
I think every game and the top of the tent
thinning with a runner on second base and nobody out,
especially when you're at home and you're Ties, everybody would bunt.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Every team would bunt.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Bottom of the tenth th inning, you're at home, it's
three three and there's a guy on second. If everybody
could bunt, everybody would do it, because you'd be stupid
not to.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Now here's the question. Though.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
The Red Sox are coming to town tonight. Marener's got
great pitching against the Guardians four earned and eighteen combined
by Castillo, Kirby and Emerson Hancock, so very good starting pitching.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yes, over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Now the Raphael Devers less Boston Red Sox come to town,
and I wonder if we would have made that deal
that the Sanference Cisco Giants made Jackson and Dick for
Rafael Devers to bring him to Seattle and become the
DH of the Seattle Mariners. I was looking it up today.
So he's owed basically, on average about thirty two million
dollars a year for the next nine or ten years.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Okay, yes, Actually, what's the was a lot of deferral wins.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
The contract it runs out in twenty thirty three, so
we're talking three, six, nine more years from now, eight
more years. Sorry, they owned an average of thirty two
million dollars if so the Mariners right now, Jackson, check
this out.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
The Mariners in payroll are sixteenth in baseball.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
If they added the Rafael Devers contract for this year,
where do you think they'd be after that contract?
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Eighth?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
They'd be fifteenth. Excuse me, they go point spot.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, because there's a huge gap between gigantic gap between Baltimore, Arizona,
Boston and then Seattle. They would literally go from sixteenth
to fifteenth. They would jump one spot if they grabbed
Rafael Devers contract. How much better is this baseball team
right now if Rafaeld Devers is your designated hitter every single.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Freaking night, man so much better.
Speaker 8 (21:06):
And that's why I like, what makes the stupidest thing
Like the Red Sox CEO did some interview where he's like,
I think at the end of the year, you'll see
that we're gonna win more games than we would have
if we had Devers on the team, and Nimrod well, no.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
For them is obviously there was a relationship problem in Boston,
right is a pain in the ass, the whole first
base thing whatever. But again, yes, but there was obviously
a power play going on. Boston's not playing great right now.
Maybe they felt like, hey, whatever, let's get rid of
the guy not the culture fit for us in our
clubhouse or whatever. But I totally agree with you. I mean, uh,
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you know it's talking to Andrews about this off the year.
Hancock would have been the guy that they would have
had to probably have given up in place of Kyle Harrison.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
He would have been our Kyle Harrison.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I wouldn't have liked losing Emerson Hancock, but man, a
proven guy who's twenty eight years old. He won't be
twenty nine until October. He plays a lot of baseball.
He seems to be pretty healthy, good hitter in his prime.
Like Andrew said, I agree with that too. I mean,
it solves your DH problem. You're you're, you're, you're a
You're a better baseball team with him. You want help
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for Julio and cal Go, get a guy like that.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
There are guys I would certainly make the move for.
I'm not sure a guy that has been a malcontent,
that is not athletic, that does not play any defensive
position is necessarily one I'd want to.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Do that with.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
And I think and I think that a guy like that,
which you're You're born in nineteen seventy three, right, correct?
The San Francisco Giants will still be on the hook
for seven point five million dollars for Rafael Devers the
year you turn seventy years old?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
What do I care? Who cares?
Speaker 5 (22:46):
And I can't wait to make that phone call and
softly seven, hey, you know what the jobs seven point five?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Seven point five when I'm how old?
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Seventy? And so seven point five is the equivalent of
like four dollars right now. I mean honestly, I mean,
who gives a damn right?
Speaker 5 (22:58):
But I mean, so I guess my question where would
you draw the line? Like, because you and I are
on totally opposite ends.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Of the spectrum. Yeah, when it comes to money, when
it comes to big time. But so let me ask
you a question. Can I ask you a question? I
was gonna ask you a question first?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Okay, let me ask this first, and then I promise
you can ask yours? All right? Are you and John
Stanton's will like he has this has nothing to do
with John Stanton or the marriage just has to do it?
What how I would run.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
At base because it because it feels to me like
wor We're like there's something in it for you. No,
I've never seen a guy that defends Mariner ownership more
than you. It's almost like, are we certain that you're
not getting a cut of this down the road?
Speaker 8 (23:37):
Have you?
Speaker 5 (23:38):
I mean, have you heard anything of what I've said
about John Stanton in the last one year and a half.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I think.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Critical to be fair, but it just kind of feels
like like, I mean, I just don't get this.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
So here's so, here's I'm gonna try to help Softie,
because I understand why you don't get it, Dick. I
think every time you talk about this, you have to
preface this with one thing, Well, John Stan, we have
to apply his budget to the situation. We have to
apply John Stan's by because every comment about like, oh, well,
think about the money, think about the money, think about
the money. That wouldn't matter if when we're in New
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York or Boston or LA.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Want to pay the money. Hold on, hold on.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
The only reason you're making these comments, I think is
because we are just applying the known budget of the
Seattle Mariners to this entire conversation. So they have to
preface all the answers. But I think we have to
preface it with well, you know we think about the money. Well, yeah,
if since we're in Seattle, we actually have to think
about that. But like, if you want to just talk hypotheticals,
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how I would run the baseball team, how if I
were who, if I were an owner of the Yankees,
or if I was John Stan, Because that's that's way
different dollars even if.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
You have no salary cap like you do in baseball.
And here's where I'm gonna get in my.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Question for you guys there, like you have to draw
a line at some point, because it almost seems to
me like, oh, does he help the baseball team right now,
then this week give him three hundred million dollars. It's
it almost seems to me that you guys have gone
so far to one side that just says, God, does
he help the baseball team win the World Series, then
throw hundreds of millions dollars even if he has got
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this red flag, that red flag, this red flag and
that red flag. And I'm just saying I would give
three hundred million dollars to a player that I knew
was a five tool guy, top ten player in baseball.
Sho heyo Tani Juan Soto that type of level. I
don't believe Rafael Devers is that type of play.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Dick.
Speaker 8 (25:31):
When you say I, you say I would give you?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Say I?
Speaker 5 (25:34):
You say you if I was the owner of a
baseball team, And I, well, sure, how much money do you?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Are you John Stanton money?
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Or are you you know La New York?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I give those guys.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
I would give market value to whatever market value is.
I believe, Well, but see it does not matter the sport.
And I've said this a million times.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
My people over pay for players. It literally happens in
every sell But it's not successful Jackson.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
I mean, did the did the Dodgers not not win
a championship last year?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
The Dodgers won a championship last year? Jackson. But I'm
just trying to check into the Dodgers.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Do we really want to go into the conversation because
I can find a whole lot of teams that have
been very competitive at the bottom half of the Major
League Baseball payroll.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
If you want to go down that road, I'll go
down here.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
He gives you a better chance of winning.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Let me just can I jump in for a second.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
You don't pay good players great money. Okay, salary cap,
no salary cap. Now, it's it's way worse than football.
Ask the Dallas Cowboys and Dak Prescott. But you don't
pay good players great money. I think it can divide
a locker room. I can for where we're gonna have
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Rafael Devers at age thirty three, body at age forty.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
But why do you keep saying the body? The guy's
relatively healthy.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Every year he plays I mean he plays like one
hundred and forty and fifty games a year every year.
I don't understand what you mean by the body that's
number one, sorry to interrupt you. Number two, the whole
thing about the locker room or the clubhouse wide because
the guy's making thirty three million dollars. I mean, players
want other players to get paid. They never want a
salary cap. They want owners to spend willy nilly. And
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then number three. Yeah, thirty three million dollars right now
is a lot of money. It's top ten in baseball.
But where's it going to be in five years from now?
I mean ten years it would have been number one.
Now it's number ten. Twent years still not the way
salaries are going exponentially, it may be top thirty in baseball,
and five or six years from now. I just think
what you just said there, which I don't really understand,
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and maybe I'm misinterpreting what you just said. Whatever it
do to help the baseball team, you damn right go
spend money where you give.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Anybody, You give any player that was better than what
we have on the rosters.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Obviously a limit. I'm not spending a billion dollars on
Rafael Devers.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I get it that.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
In reality, everybody has a budget, so you'd got the
Mariners out there.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
But you'd spend you'd spend on on a guy that's
just better than anything we have, but not close to
a star, and he Rofel Devers. I'm talking about like
in free agency next year, if there was a guy
that wants seven years at twenty five million dollars a
year far and he ends up getting at someplace, but
he's not that much better the way.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Well, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking
about Raffael Devers.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, Roffael Devers makes your DH position exponentially better. He's
an aircraft carrier in your lineup on with cals is
desperate for Boston maybe because they don't like him anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
They're just the owner's pissed off.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
And again just because they traded, they're getting ripped for
trading him. Jim Bowden came out and fried them for
trading Rafael Devers. Look, I mean, I don't know why
Boston traded him. I'm just saying this. And if you're
telling me that Rafael Devers doesn't make this baseball team
exponentially better offensively, which you're not saying, you're crazy. He
absolutely would have made that better, and I would have
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absolutely made the deal.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
If you're telling me you can take the.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
DH spot from one of the worst in baseball to
one of the best in baseball overnight, and the price
that you pay today is that you have to jump
up one spot payroll wise on the rankings. Hell, yes,
I'm doing a couple of fine, but that's the price
you gotta pay because you can't develop offense.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
We're gonna break Brian Schmetzer.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I gonna join us next on ninety three to three KJRFM.
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Speaker 3 (29:40):
All right, here he is joining us on the radio
show normally on Tuesdays, but today it's a Monday because tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
We have hockey at five o'clock.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Let's go Eiler's Baby game six down, three to two.
Got to bring it man, no Josse Boyce. But to
get the job done tomorrow in Florida, Well, the Sounders
played Barti Fargo yesterday played well, but ultimately a two
to one lost for them. But Brian, before we get
to that, we know that you're a p one of
this radio stationing you listen to KJR a lot. You're
like our number one fan. You got Dick Fane, foam
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fingers and softy posters all that. You heard the conversation
last segment about Raphael Devers going to Boston. Just curious,
as a coach, do you really care how much money
your players are making? Like if Adrian came to you
and said, hey, I can get you what's his name
against Jackson?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Cheat cho Arongo, cheat show Arongo.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
We're gonna we gotta pay him a little bit, but
we can get him. What would you say to Adrian.
Speaker 9 (30:33):
Well, I don't know if that's the best example, because
I think he might be a little bit past his prime,
and you know, he's kind of got some dubious character things,
and he's been to a bunch of teams in a
bunch of different years. But what I was and what
I liked about your last segment was Jackson was pretty feisty.
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I mean he was right, I mean, punching it out
with Dick and you, and the conversation as a coach,
we had that problem in MLS, you know, a long
time ago when they did the designated player rule, because
there was some hips these guys that were good, but
then there were some big time misses. And so we
had David Beckham, I heard was good with his teammates.
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We had Oba, you know, he always got the guy's
fancy dinners. Raoul was really good with the young kids.
I mean, we've had some good ones. But then you
miss on a guy in our league who's making two
three four million bucks and the other guys are making
two hundred thousand dollars. That's a lot to deal with
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inside the locker room as a coach and as a player.
I mean, you got to get those decisions.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Right, so there could be dissension.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Then if you bring in a guy that's making a
ton of money and he doesn't carry his weight for
whatever reason or was a problem like this guy was
in Boston obviously when he refused to play a position,
then that potentially could be a problem with his new team.
Speaker 9 (31:58):
Well, that could be a problem for the coach for sure.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
He also could kick ass and save your ass as
a coach, save your bacon. At the same time, you know,
I'm getting pissed off with this entire conversation, by the way,
I want it to be over.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Talk about Budafogo.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Then well, I just I look, I just think in
the in the end, the Mariners have not deserved the
right to get the break on anything like this because
the way they run an organization has proven to be
bearing zero fruit whatsoever.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
And that's what pisses me off, Brian. I'm sorry to
get on a tangent here, Palell, but that's just d
You realize I'm not defending the Mariners. I'm talking about
my own eye. You don't even know what's going on anymore.
I'm just very confused that everything all right. So the
two to one loss last night, obviously nobody wants to lose,
But tell me about the way these guys fought. We
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spent the last two weeks wondering how they would show
up given the controversy about pay, and it looked to
me like they played their asses off last night.
Speaker 9 (32:56):
For you. They were able to put all that stuff aside,
and Dick, they played up to their potential. You know,
we fell short and maybe one or two little areas,
but I mean they played great, They played with heart,
They played with desire, they never quit.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
I mean the game was exciting.
Speaker 9 (33:17):
You know, I was rewatching it just now in my
kitchen when I was listening to you guys. I mean,
it was an exciting game.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
So what do you tell them then when they have
when they fight like that, even though they were down,
they fight in the second half. To hopefully translate that
effort in a second half to when you're down in
an MLS game, which we haven't necessarily always seen that
same type of fight when you're down an MLS game.
Speaker 9 (33:40):
Well, I think, to be fair to the team, I
think the fight in this team since I've been around,
it's been there. But the quality of play, the intensity
of the play, I think is maybe where you're going.
Speaker 7 (33:52):
With this question.
Speaker 9 (33:54):
I absolutely said it in the locker room afterwards. They said, look,
you guys just competed with the you know, the South
American champion, and you guys, if you play like that
in our regular season, we're gonna win a pile of games.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah. Well, I mean that's where he's gonna go.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Just kind of detour for a second, guys, because Brian,
I'm sure you played baseball as a kid, used to
have a weight on your bat. When you're in the
on deck circle, you take off the weight and the
bat fills a thousand times lighter and it's so much.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Easier to swing.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Do you really, is there a chance after getting through
this Club World Cup that you're gonna play the MLS
and you're gonna be better off in the MLS for
going through this experience.
Speaker 9 (34:37):
Well, I think those this experience, those types of experiences
are gonna be good for like Obed Vargas. I mean,
the kid was on fire last night. He was everywhere,
and you know, getting a taste of what it's like
at that level is gonna make him a better player.
I think it's gonna remind Christian Rodane, who put in
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the work at midfield, It's going to remind him of
what he was like as a twenty two year old
kid trying to make it in sport and you had
to put that extra little bit of effort in so
he could, you know, be a starter on a top team.
I think it was good for you know, some of
the other guys that came on in the second half,
like Pedro, like Reed and some of the other guys.
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I mean, those are experiences that they were gonna learn from.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
I just think it's cool that people from around the
world are watching Seattle Sounders FC soccer last night that
normally would maybe never have seen Seattle Sounder soccer. How
do you feel like teams and fans around the world
Senior club maybe for the first time ever last night
and you put out a performance like that.
Speaker 9 (35:46):
I think it was a good performance. Look, there are
fans around the world, and maybe my crazy uncle came
from Germany to watch all three of these games, or
we do have fans around the world. But yeah, I
think it's a unique tournament. It's certainly a great opportunity
for us to showcase the Seattle Sounders, our team, our players,
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our city because a lot of Bodafoga fans were there.
I don't know if they all came from Brazil or
there's local people here, but there's a lot of eyeballs
in Seattle and we looked good.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah, well, Brian Schmetzer with us.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Do you have to play any differently you think facing
a team like Athletico Madrid, have a different strategy or
just play the same way and rely on your guys
to just maybe do a little bit better and do
their best.
Speaker 9 (36:31):
Well, we can't give up the goals that we gave
up Softy, because you know there at the end of
the day, you know, we gave up silly fowl. Knew
who knows better his bonehead play. You know, the second goal.
We knew they were good on crosses. We need to
get a body on the guy. But we need to
play with the same intensity. I thought some of our
possession was really good. Some of our attacking movements were
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really good. We had some chances even in the first half,
you know, to make it one one. Albert had a chance.
You know, Heyzus Ferreira brought it into his left and
maybe could have got it on the frame. And you know,
we did some damage. But we have to play almost
a perfect game for us to really have a chance
to win.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
You mentioned the new ho foul.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Then reed Baker Whiting came in played, well, do you
consider making a change forward there?
Speaker 9 (37:21):
Well, sure, I mean everything's on the table, Dick. I mean, look,
it was when we first started the tournament. You know,
we were thinking about, Okay, we're going to try and
go out and win. But do we give everybody an opportunity.
Some guys on the roster that have done well for
us look, I felt really bad that I couldn't get
Joe Paulo, who played for Bodafogo on the field. But
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situation doesn't wasn't warranted. So you know, we're going to
talk about that. We're gonna, you know, make sure that
everybody's healthy. It's three games, three intense games in a week,
so we'll probably have to make some changes.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
All right, man, good luck this week and we will
talk down the road. Man appreciate it got him, all.
Speaker 9 (38:04):
Right, Take care, guys and beat each other up in
the studio.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
That's too late. No, we're gonna kick each other's ass
at the Emerald Queen. That's what we're gonna do, all right.
Brian Schmesser with us. Good stuff out of him. We're
gonna break Cody Green, who flipped from Oregon to U
dub Why we'll ask him next on ninety three to
three KJRFM, joining us right now with the radio show
five Star Offensive Tackle east Side Catholic matter Day, was
gonna go to Oregon and then told Oregon to take
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a hype for you up. Cody Green is with us,
and Cody tell us what it was about Oregon that
turned you off and made you flip from the Ducks
to U Dub.
Speaker 7 (38:37):
So for me for Orgon to Eno too, right, I
was nothing really like it's not like against them, but
like like even though it's committed. Oregon coach Switch hit
me up as soon as he got the job. When
he got hired at You Dub, I was his first call.
He didn't try to sell me. He just checked in
and built a real relationship with me. Same with Marcus Griffin.
He's been my guy since I was a freshman. When
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he got teed up as director of recruiting, he started
calling me almost every day, just telling me about the
direction You Dub was headed. And my brother Kayden, he
just he just kept it real with me and said, bro,
you just got to come see for yourself. So I did.
I went with no expectations, just wanted to see it
with my own eyes.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Well, Cody Green is with us on the radio show,
and you mentioned coach Swits obviously, the brand new Michael Switzer,
the brand new offensive line coach at up. We don't
know a lot about him besides the fact that he
was an assistant for Jetfish obviously, so tell us about
the guy. What was it about your relationship with him.
That kind of made you feel comfortable, especially after it
felt like he made you a priority.
Speaker 7 (39:38):
So when I when I went up for a visit there,
I had a meeting with him and he was breaking
down my film, showing me practice some of the Huskies,
and he seemed very passionate, very eager to learn. So
like when he didn't know something like he'd be like, Okay,
I can learn this. Like he was very passionate in
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his game and he always is looking to strive to
be the best.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Well, Cody Green again is with US five star offensive
tackle going to play football for U d UP and
Jet Fish. And there were a lot of people that
were surprised. I guess when you moved from Washington, from
the state of Washington, go down and play football that
matter day. Well, what motivated that decision and how did
that maybe change you into a better person you think
after that experience?
Speaker 7 (40:22):
Many, Yeah, it wasn't easy. I left my home behind,
my best friends, Washston and Cotto, everything I'd known built.
But my plan A is making to the league and
chasing that dream means to sacrifice. Sacrifice some things. A
modern day, I'm surrounded by top tier talent every single day.
That daily competition has gotten me so much better. And yeah,
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people were loud about me leaving Washington, said I wouldn't
make it down here, but I stayed focused, put my
head down, earned every rep I was given, and ended
up being the Trinity League a lineman MVP. Now people
are being lot again in question why fifty dub. I'm
not worried. I mean, I'll just put them wrong again
like I did when I moved down here to Califor.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, well Cody Green again with started off with East
Side Catholic and now it mattered day.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
And I mean the move paid off.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
I mean, you got a five star composite ranking listed
as the number three tackle I believe in the country
by two four seven. But you know it's not like
you got a big ego, right, You sound kind of
humble about that. Tell me about those rankings and how
much you pay attention to that, and how cool that.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Is for you to hear people say things like that.
Speaker 7 (41:25):
I mean, it's cool, but like, I don't really get
caught up in the rankings, being number one ranked with
number the goal. That stuff is a way out of
my control. It's someone else's opinion. My goal is to
become the best player I can be. If they rank
me one, five or ten, it doesn't matter. I don't
need outside validation. I get that confirmation other Friday nights.
Every Friday night under the lights.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
I love it well.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Cody Green is with us incoming offensive tackle that you
doe with matter day five star player.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Was gonna go to Oregon and then he flipped to
U Dub. Dude.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
I got to ask you, honestly if it was reversed.
I'll be totally honest with you. If it was reversed
and you were gonna go to Dub and then you
turned away from you Dub and went to Oregon. You
and I are not talking right now, Okay, Yeah, I
mean I'll be I'll be totally honest with you. We're
not having this conversation. But how much heat did you take?
How much crap did you take from Oregon fans on
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social after you flipped to you Dub, be honest with us.
Speaker 7 (42:19):
I mean it was it was pretty bad. But I
was in a rough date for the first couple of hours.
But then I realized, like it's my decision, Like I'm
not gonna let people online determine where I'm gonna go
like this is my path?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah? Yeah, was there was there another option?
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Honestly when you decided and take us through the timeline, like,
was it, Hey, I just want to be at You
Dub and you mentioned play with your cousin obviously you
mentioned coach Switzer Or was it I don't want to
be at Oregon anymore. I have to go look somewhere else,
and Washington happened to be the place.
Speaker 7 (42:53):
No, No, it wasn't that. It was I realized, like
how much I feel like they valued me. Like at
You Dub, they were building like around me, not just
plugging me into a system. I feel like everything about
You Dub, I feel like was just this is this
is what I need in a program, this is what's
gonna take me to the next level.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Yeah, well, I think Cody Green with us again, five
star offensive tackle coming to U Dub. You know as
well as I, man, we live in a very skeptical world, right,
and when when people hear things like hey, they showed
me a lot of love, that showed me a lot
of respect, I can hear and see people in the
audience rolling their eyes saying, well he means nil. He
means he got a lot of money. He means he
got paid a lot of money. He's got a lot
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of endorsements coming. So how much of that drove your
decision to leave Oregon to go to Washington.
Speaker 7 (43:41):
I mean, I'm not doing it for the nil I hope,
like I hope other kids aren't. But that's not for everyone,
Like that's not my main goal. Like the money's gonna come,
but I want to be somewhere that I'm actually like that,
I feel valued, and I feel like Washington is that place.
So it's not it's not for the high bader, it's
not for the highest number, the most whatever, like this
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is this is the place I want to be at.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Well, you grew up a Husky fan, I assume, and
you probably had some heroes on the offensive line. I mean,
were your big fans the guys like Trey Adams and
and Caleb McGarry.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
I mean, Nick Harris is in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
He started at center against Alabama when he was seventeen
years old. So was there a guy that you followed,
that you dubbed that you want to kind of take
after a little bit?
Speaker 7 (44:26):
It wasn't really like an offensive lineman, but it was
Buddha Baker. Wow, I feel like that. Yeah, I feel
like that's the guys that I was like, dude, he slipped,
Like I mean, I was still young. I don't really
know like what happened, but like he's a star. He's
from Washington. That's like, that's probably one of the biggest
names like to come out of Washington. That was from Washington.
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So it was it was really cool saying that.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Yeah, well yeah, I mean, you're both guys that left
Oregon to go to U dub and it worked out
pretty damn good for Buddha. I think at what point
he was the iest made safety in the NFL. Have
you talked to him, by the way, Cody, have you
talked to Buddha Baker at all?
Speaker 7 (45:01):
I have? I want to someday.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Well, I think we got to set that up, all right.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
I'll have my people call his people, and then I'll
call my people call your people, and we'll make it happen.
So what would be Cody before you go? First of all,
it's great to have you on the air. Looking forward
to catching up a ton when you get up here
to play for Jed. What would be your overall message
for Washington fans. I mean, you know, we're coming out
of this crazy era of Kaitlin de boor into Jedfish
where things are starting to settle down a little bit. Obviously,
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recruiting's kicking ass. Everyone's all fired up for demand and
guys like you. What's your overall message you think for
Washington football fans that are wondering where this thing's headed.
Speaker 7 (45:38):
It's my message, the fans would be, I'm coming home,
and I'm coming with the purpose. I'm going to give
everything I have to this program, to my teammates into
the city. I love yellergames, someone who doesn't need the spotlight.
I just want to put people on the ground and
win games. Let's get to work.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
I love it, put people on the ground and win games. Man,
go get him Cody. Great stuff. Great to meet you, man,
look forward to see you in person. That we'll talk soon.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
Man.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Appreciate it, Bud, Yes, sir.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Well there you go Cody Green again. Had a chance
to catch up with him earlier for today's show. And
I don't know, man, I got a fundamental rule on
this radio show. Anybody who tells Oregon to take a
hike and says yes to Washington automatically gets a spot
on the radio program.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
And I mean, let's not buy naive.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
I mean the fact that he grew up here, the
fact that his cousin's playing for dub He went to
Eastside Catholic and then took off to go to Matter
Day to get kind of, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Exposure to better athletes. I get all that, But.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
If this kid was from California or from Texas or
from you know, Idaho wherever, he's probably not coming to you.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Dup. But this is what you need to do.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
I mean, it's kind of like Nil seems to be
taking over everything and it doesn't matter where you grew up.
It doesn't matter about putting a fence around the state,
things like that or kind of cliche now, but it's
still as important. Man. I mean, you got a kid
that grows up a Husky fan, and he admitted he
grew up a Husky said it right there, Buddha Baker.
It wasn't Trey Adams or kayleb McGarry's alignment was Buddha Baker.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Was his favorite player.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
You grew up a Husky fan and you live through
one of the greatest eras of Husky football.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
With that final fourteenes. You gotta be a husky man,
have to be.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
And well, you know, we'll forgive him for his you
know mistake that he made by originally choosing word. Yeah,
well we all have mistakes, as long as you correct
your mistake before it's too late.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Right now, he's going to the right spot.
Speaker 5 (47:28):
I'm just I'm excited at the new era of college
football and college basketball because I think wherever Washington was
in this current iteration, this two three year current iteration,
they're going to be in a better place in the
next iteration, even though they weren't in a terrible place
in this last Heck, we went to the national championship
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what fifteen months ago, so it's not like we were
in a bad place in this current iteration.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Well, here's the thing, so think about like, and I
hate to bring this up, but I'll bring it up anyway,
right because I'm trying to make a point here, which
I don't really have a lot of points to make
on the air that people want to hear, so when
I do make one, Yeah, this is exactly I've been
sitting on this for at least five or six minutes.
When you are nine, ten years old in two thousand
and eight, and the Huskies are going, oh in twelve,
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and you're rooting for Oregon, or you're rooting for USC
or Michigan anybody, but you dub because the Huskies stink.
Those kids when they're seventeen eighteen years old in two
thoy fifteen to whatever.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
You kind of understand it. You know why guys don't
choose you dubb.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
Because it didn't grow up Usky face Washington in the
last you know what, eight nine, ten years whatever. It
is now going back to the twenty sixteen season. So really,
if you're talking about two thy sixteen twenty thirteen, you're
talking about a seven eight year period where if you're
eleven twelve and then eighteen nineteen years seventeen eighteen years old,
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you're exposed to two of the greatest runs in the
history of Washington football. I mean, we can now sit
down and say, hey, the era of eighteen year old
kids that were ten when Tyrone and Willingham was going
on went twelve.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Those days are now over. It's done.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Now we're talking about kids that live through Peterson, live
through Kaitlin de boor are gonna live through Jedfish. So
it almost feels like the idea of kids growing up
Washington fans is a cool thing again and that.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
We could maybe start banking on that.
Speaker 5 (49:26):
You're exactly right, You hit it on the head, and
you know, I am just now starting to get into
that time of life where friends of my kids are
going now to college or getting ready to go to college.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
And I can totally, I can totally vouch for what
you just said.
Speaker 5 (49:42):
It is cool to be a Washington Husky again, and
that was not the case. I remember stories, you know,
coaching ten fifteen years ago, I was coaching in two
thousand and eight and two thousand and nine, you couldn't
find a high school athlete that wore a Husky pair
of paraphernalia anyway anywhere.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
It was embarrassed.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
How would you want to be sixteen years old walking
around where in the jersey of a football team that
just lost every game.
Speaker 5 (50:08):
And it's getting back to the pay It's maybe not
back to the point when I was in high school,
because when I was in high school, we won a
national championship my senior year and everybody had a Husky gear.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
But it's getting back to that stage.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
Yeah really, yeah, Well, good for Cody for coming on
the air and talking about his his situation. Obviously, as
a five star tackle, there's gonna be a lot of
expectations placed on this kid right out of the gate.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
There's no question about that.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
You know.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
I just wonder again, you know, we talked to Jed
about this, dick last week. Is this gonna be a
situation not just with Cody, but with any you know,
highly recruited guy who's got a lot of offers in
a competitive market.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Are they gonna have to continue to recruit kids like this?
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Right?
Speaker 3 (50:48):
I mean Jed talked about this last week that when
a guy's on campus, Hey, you know, I need money
for recruiting high school players, but I also need money
from local businesses to step up and keep guys here
that maybe we didn't really think we'd have to work
that hard to keep here. You know, all of a sudden,
a three star guy plays his ass off, or a
four star guy blows up and surprises people, and there's
competition for those dudes. There's no type of player that
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coaches want more than players that are already developed right right,
And there's a lot of guys like that that are
out there that don't need to be coached as much
as they would be. They're already developed. Somebody else coached
them up, and you're gonna, now, you know, bear the
fruit of that labor by somebody else. So this is
the kind of guy, Let's be honest that if he
ends up playing well, which we all think he's going to,
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Washington's gonna have.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
To keep recruiting him every single year.
Speaker 5 (51:34):
Lily and I had a little I had a little
nugget in my notes, and you wanted me to write
down every once in a while, like write this down, right,
And so we had Jedfish on probably four or five
months ago, and you said, write this down. We gotta
find out how many guys Jedfish has taken from other
schools in this next five six month period. Do we
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have any idea what about what that number is the
last five or six months that guys like this that
have committed to other schools that are now going to Washington,
because it's it seems to be a fairly sizable number.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Well, it seems like a lot of those players are
guys that were with him at Arizona. You know, we'd
have to I mean, that's gonna go away, obviously, after
he's probably done now right. I Mean, you spend a
couple of years getting kids to get brought to Arizona
with you, and then by year three, those kids are
either moving on or they came to Arizona to play
for somebody else.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
But no, we can look it up for sure. I mean,
I just feel like that's just the name of the
game is.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
You know, look college basketball going out and getting upperclassmen right,
you know that can stay together for at least two
or three years now to try to win a championship
or make the tournament. In college football, the more guys
that you can get that are established right away, it
can come in and contribute because I don't know how
many kids from this high school class will actually stay
at Washington, But again, you know other schools will have
(52:51):
the same problem. Washington Dick will lose kids from this
recruiting class. I'm talking to high school recruits, but they'll
gain other high school recruits from other people's classes that
will look drastically different after a couple of years. So
I'm fired up for Cody Green. Good for him, and
good for him telling the Oregon to suck it. We'll
get a break a lot more to get doing a
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Our friend John Wilner, John, how are you man?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I'm good? Thanks? Happy Monday?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah, happy Monday? Got I hate that? What an oxymoron hat?
Happy Monday?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Shut up.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Day? Rank is? Where does Monday rank on your your
Days of the Week rankings.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Seventh, seventh out of seven? Not even close? Isn't it
seven for you?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Not for me? What's what's number seven for you? Tuesday? Tuesday?
What break?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Man?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Are you kidding me? You guys? Are you know what?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Monday's I got some juice, you know, coming out the weekend,
a lot to talk about, you know, and then you
spew it all out on Monday and you get to Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
You're like, what do I do now?
Speaker 5 (01:26):
I talk to John Wilner usually on Tuesday, which is
the only good thing about Let me just sum it
up for you.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Monday suck ass? Okay, how's that shut? I'm not sure
if I can jackson you with me. By the way,
Monday okay, thank you?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
All right? How about you? John? Number seven on the
days of the list days.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I mean, other than five o'clock to five twenty on Tuesdays?
I have Tuesday's number seven?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Got you? I don't blame you?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
And by the way, five o'clock on Tuesday, if I
were you would be a number seven for me too,
if I were you. Uh wazoo is eliminating track and field?
Kind of what's going on over in Pullman that you
can share with people.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Well, I haven't seen all the details of which events
they are eliminating, but the big news is that they
are scaling back and its track and field. I think
what I think they're doing is focusing on distance running.
That is more you know, a strength of theirs over
the years. But what's happening in Pullman is going to
(02:25):
happen in other places. Because of this lawsuit and this
revenue sharing, schools are going to have to make hard
decisions on which Olympic sports they're going to keep, which
they're gonna cut, and which they're gonna downsize. And I
think there's gonna be a lot of downsizing in other words,
you know school X, you know tennis program, it's never
(02:47):
been really successful. They don't want to cut it all together,
so they will just reduce the resources to it and
it will become closer to a club sport. I think
we're going to see tier of sports at a lot
of schools. You know, big ten schools probably are gonna
focus hockey, women's volleyball, right, big those are big sports.
(03:09):
Maybe not softball as much. SEC schools they love softball
and baseball, they'll focus on them. Maybe other sports will
be downsized more to club level. You have to make
hard decisions when you're when you're you know, distributing twenty
point five million in revenue sharing.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
And this is primarily you're talking about guys sports, right,
I mean, they're not going to chop a girls sport
without chopping a guy sport.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Right, Well, it'll depend. I think that we're gonna see
guys sports are more vulnerable for sure, but there could
be instances where guy where girls sports are getting cut
or scaled back. So you know, maybe you're your women's
soccer coach who had been making five hundred thousand, seven
(03:52):
hundred and fifty thousand top scale, maybe you know they
get have to take a pay cut, or when that
coach leads, the replacement comes in at two point fifty right,
finding ways to trim the budgets for those sports. Again,
only football and men's basketball are making money, So it's
how much do we want to allocate for a sport
(04:13):
that is not generating a profit.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Well, John wilners with us again.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
The story that came out today that Washington State is
eliminating field events jumping and throwing entirely from their track
and field program limiting sprints and hurdles in the future.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I mean, I'll just tell you.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I got a buddy of mine whose daughter runs track
at Washington State and she runs the one hundred, two
hundred and four hundred and she's done. She's lost that
chance to run in school. So she's got to make
a call. Does she stay there after two years with
all over friends who she's met, or does she even
go somewhere else to take part in track and field.
But the twenty point five million, for example, John, that
(04:52):
we talked about last week, that every school can offer
their athletes up to twenty and a half million dollars
in cash pay payments for playing there at that university.
Do you see Washington State maxing out? Do you see
Oregon State maxing out that number?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
No, I don't think any of the schools in the
new PAC twelve will max out or maybe even come close.
I mean I think that those schools could be you know,
seven and a half ten twelve and a half million
in revenue sharing. There's other ways to do it too,
like instead of the direct cash payments, you can apply
additional scholarships. Right because for a lot of sports you
(05:30):
can now put more athletes on scholarship than you were
allowed to before. So they could do that in some ways,
you know, to help the sports. But I don't think
any of the Pac twelve schools will will be close
to twenty point five. The question for them is how
close will they get on the football front?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Right?
Speaker 4 (05:49):
I mean, big ten SEC schools are gonna go fifteen
million is going to football players plus nil. I would
think Pack twelve schools, how much are they going to
put towards football. Is it gonna be five, is it
gonna be seven and a half, whatever it is, it
won't be close. They're gonna have to just be really
good on recruiting and evaluating and development.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Well, John, you know, I'm concerned with with the golf programs. Obviously,
that's what my son wants to do in college. And
and now golf teams are a little bit different because
there's only a max of nine on a D one
golf team, whereas track and field can have you know,
I think it's capped.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
At forty five.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
So are smaller team rosters like golf maybe a little
more insulated or is it still gonna go more towards
the regionalizing where you know, golf is still gonna be
a good sport in southern California, but it's gonna be
eliminated up north.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
I think it could be regionalizing or just based on this,
you know, history of success at that school. The other
thing you got to account for is in state versus
out of state? Right are you drawing? Are most of
your golfers out of state? Because that's more money for scholarships,
and so that's a budgetary thing you've got to consider.
(07:05):
So you know, I don't so the new golf roster
max is nine?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Is that right? Yeah? Well, at least don has of
right now. I don't. I don't know if it's new.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
I think it's I have to check to see what
it what it has been in the past. I know
it's nine right now.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
So that's you know, is it going to be are
they boosting that up to twelve? Or and has that
been nine? But that's you know, that's an equivalency sports.
So you could have eighteen players each getting a half scholarship, right,
that's what they do in baseball.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yes, you can give halfs. Yes, you know, guys, here's
the thing.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
And John Wilner's with us, and I know it's easy
to get caught up in this and this is the
new way of life and blah blahh it is. I mean,
there's no doubt that this is part of what happens
when you start paying players that you know, teams in
universities have to decide where they want their money spent.
So track and field is getting reduced at Washington State. Okay,
So here's the thing. Getting of programs is a tale
(08:03):
as old as time. I mean, you dubbed cut both
its men's and women's swimming programs sixteen years ago in
two thousand and nine, So programs get cut all the time.
But I guess the question is this, is this gonna
be a situation John, where simply put, high school athletes
will not have as many opportunities now as they did
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fifteen twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
End their story.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yes, at opportunities as walk ons. There's more scholarship opportunities
because the roster of the scholarship totals have been increased.
But you know, baseball is now thirty four but in
the past, a lot of baseball teams you've had forty
to forty five kids on scholarship, some of them walk on,
(08:50):
some of them partial scholarships. Now you're going from forty
five back to thirty four as the max. They could
all be on scholarship or not. So overall, the number
of roster spots has been reduced and for walk ons,
for kids who become walk ons, that's where it's gonna
the opportunity is going to get cut.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
The most interesting John willon the're joining us and John
we started this thing is.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Though, this gets to the heart of the the economic
problem because sports has had for decades. Right, is that
you've got, say, you've got two sports that turn a
profit and anywhere from fourteen to twenty four sports that
don't turn a profit that are losing money. And this
subsidiation process where those two are funding everybody else is
(09:37):
now kind of coming home to roost with this new
economic era. Right, that's the problem. And also the fact
that football with eighties five scholarships counts a Title nine.
If there was some way they could pull football out
of Title nine, it would reconfigure everything.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Wow, well, this is more bills now, right, guys, more
bills and the player payroll is the new bill of all.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
That's right. We started talking about the cougar.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
So let's stay in that conference, John, what is the
timeline for PAC twelve expansion slash media deal?
Speaker 4 (10:11):
You know, I would expect something, possibly both of those
things get wrapped up in the next couple of weeks.
You know. I think that for Texas State July June,
no July first, not June thirtieth. July first, I believe
their their exit fee from the Sun Belt goes up.
I would think that the PAC twelve would want to
(10:31):
have something finished by July first. So we're you know,
we're getting down to nitty gritty time for the PAC
twelve on both fronts. The fact that they have been
public the Commissioner Teresa Goulds has said publicly that they
are now focused on expansion. That tells me that their
media deal is basically down to just crossing the t's
(10:53):
dotting the eyes, and they know what they're going to
get with distribution, they know what they're what they're gonna
get with money, and now they're focused on which schools
to add. And I've thought all along Texas State made
the most sense for them.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah, John Wilner with us and John, it's not as
big a deal for us because it's a home game.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
This is a road game.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
But the you did a little piece on the Alabama
Georgia game and Oregon Penn State are all going to
be on the same day as you dub at Ohio State.
I mean, people are trying to plan their fall, right,
kids got games and things, and I don't know it
just I don't know about you guys, but it still
just drives me bananas that the TV networks have so
much power in college football that we can literally just
(11:34):
let them dictate when these games are played, and they'll
tell us six days.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Before a game. We know of almost all the circumstances, correct.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I mean there's some you know, obviously, flexing and things
like that, but for the most part, you know when
the Seahawks are playing the world's biggest the biggest league
in the country can do this, but college sports can't.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
It just seems so backwards to me.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
But should Husky fans prepare that that Ohio State you
dubbed game on September twenty seventh, it's gonna be a
national TV CBS twelve thirty.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
I can't figure out where it would be anywhere else,
because CBS is not going to pass up a chance
to have Ohio State they are the biggest ratings draw
in college football. It can't be played at in the
Big New Window because they're not gonna kick off nine
am in Husky Stadium, and NBC has already picked Oregon
Penn State for the late game. The Big Twelve, Sorry,
(12:27):
the Big Ten. There's three slots nine am, Pacific, twelve thirty,
and then four thirty. There's only one available. So I'm
saying it's like ninety nine percent sure that it's gonna
be twelve thirty on CBS.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Love it great, John, You've talked about Tony Petiti's silence
hurting the Big Ten. When it comes to you, he
wants to do as far as how many teams are
guaranteed spots in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Tony Petiti being.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
The conference commissioner, explain more about what you mean by
his silence hurting the conference.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Well, he's got a very radical proposal, which is that
of sixteen spots, thirteen of them are automatic bids. Before
the season even starts, the Big Ten gets four automatic bids,
even if the league isn't very good. It's radical. We
don't see it in any other sport, right. It's like
the NFC West automatically getting two spots in the playoffs
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before they play a single game. NFL would never do that.
But Patiti has not gone public. I think he actually
I don't necessarily agree with him, but I think he's
got some good points. And the Big Ten is losing
the war of public opinion badly, and that opinion matters
in college sports. And if he went public and explained
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here's why it would be better for the game if
we did it this way, because there's all these ripple
effects that would improve the regular season if we do
it this way. But Patiti is a behind doors kind
of got He does not He's certainly not anything like
Larry Scott in terms of look at me. He's not
as comfortable in the public as Greg Sank. But I
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think he should make his case to the public because
he's got some good points.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Well, John, I gotta tell you when you guys, when
Dick mentioned that name, the first thought I had in
my head is I don't even know what the guy's
voice sounds like.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
And I will tell you those I am a little
bit disappointed.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
The average fan may not care about this stuff, but
I think it does impact everybody. The Big Ten does
not do media anywhere near as well as the PAC
twelve did.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I mean, the PAC twelve was.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Incredible media day, thirty six players in coaches, radio row,
everybody going on. I was kind of bummed out that
we missed media day this year, and then I heard
they did nothing down there, nothing like.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
The PAC twelve used to do.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Larry Scott, George Khlaioffkoff, all the coaches, all the players.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
There's none of that stuff going on.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Why is the Big Ten just feel like, hey, we
don't need to do is just not part of their
culture the way it was on the West Coast.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
What's the difference, Well, it starts at the top. Petit
is not a public facing kind of guy. He comes
from the corporate world, you know, he worked for a
TV networks. He is not and I think that that
his approach kind of trickles down. They are going to
have big Big Ten Football Media Day will be in
(15:21):
Las Vegas in the middle of late July. I guess
it is, But no, they don't. And here's a great contrast, right,
the SEC just had their spring meetings and Sankee was
available to the public every day for like four days
in a row. The Big Ten did their spring meetings
in LA a few weeks ago. There was no media
and Sanki used that platform to make his case for
(15:44):
what works for the SEC. And it's not only being accountable,
but it is swaying public opinion. And right now the
Big ten's getting crushed on this playoff issue, which is
the hottest topic in the sport.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Well, John, I guess I'm confused why Petit would want
to guarantee four necessarily because I agree more with the
SEC where you're gonna get five plus if you're the
Big Ten. I mean, how would we ever have a
scenario where only three teams made a sixteen team playoff
from the Big Ten?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
We probably wouldn't, And don't forget that in Patiti's model,
there's also a couple of at large bits. So even
though the Big ten would be guaranteed four, you could
potentially get five, whereas if you go the five plus eleven,
the Big ten could get end up getting six bits.
So that's the that's what the SEC sees. They look
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at five plus eleven and they think we're gonna get
six or seven.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
The SEC and I think we should feel the.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Reason Patit, Yeah, and the reason Patiti wants the four.
Automatic pitch is he wants to protect the conference so
that they can schedule tougher non conference games and those
losses won't hurt the teams because the selection committee is
looking at nine three, they're seeing the three and not
the nine. That's his big fear is that the selection
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committee will use losses against you. And if you take
the selection process away from the committee and just guarantee
the big ten four bids, they could schedule much better
non difference games without fear of being punished.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yeah, John Willner, great stuff, man, And uh again, if
you find yourself a little bit lonely tomorrow at five
o'clock in your normal spot, give me a buzz and
we can chat off here.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Right. You got it all right, man, Thanks, thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Next week, you bet John Wilner with us on the
radio show. We'll get to break. Brian Schmetz are going
to join at five point forty five. We're kind of
reshuffling our Tuesday lineup to Monday because of hockey tomorrow.
Cody Green, by the way, is a five star offensive
tackle who committed to Oregon and then left Oregon to
go play for you, Dobb. He's gonna join us at
(17:53):
about six oh five tonight right here on ninety three
three kJ ARFM.
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Speaker 3 (18:13):
I was thinking myself that Cole Young should be your
new favorite Mariner, Dick. Yeah, drop down a sack punch Saturday,
last airy of the game. God bless, what if Cole
Young drops down the sack bunch Saturday and then turns
to the dug out and says, that is how you
do That's exactly right, you see that, you old archaic bastard.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
See it's how you do that, all you thirty five
year old ten year veterans who can't stick a baseball
bat on a ball and leave it fifteen feet from
home plate.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Looking at you, Polacko, that's how you do that, big boy,
that's how you do that. Cale Rowley, that's how you
do that. Julio Rodrigo, Remember what are you that? Mitch
Garver absolutely offered Rowdy to last if that's.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Even your real name.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Remember a couple of weeks ago. It wasn't the butt,
but he just slapped the ball into the dirt. The
runners was coming on from third, and just handle a ball.
Bats That's all I ask you'll do. Doesn't have to
be a bunt all the time. It can be just
a little slow roller the right side of the infield
to allow the guy at third to score.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
It's not that hard.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I'm just thinking, well, apparently it is very hard for
most Major League.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Very difficult to do it. Otherwise they'd all be doing it.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
I mean, if they could all bunt, if bunning was easy,
I think every game and the top of the tent
thinning with a runner on second base and nobody out,
especially when you're at home and you're Ties, everybody would bunt.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Every team would bunt.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Bottom of the tenth th inning, you're at home, it's
three three and there's a guy on second. If everybody
could bunt, everybody would do it, because you'd be stupid
not to.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Now here's the question. Though.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
The Red Sox are coming to town tonight. Marener's got
great pitching against the Guardians four earned and eighteen combined
by Castillo, Kirby and Emerson Hancock, so very good starting pitching.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yes, over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Now the Raphael Devers less Boston Red Sox come to town,
and I wonder if we would have made that deal
that the Sanference Cisco Giants made Jackson and Dick for
Rafael Devers to bring him to Seattle and become the
DH of the Seattle Mariners. I was looking it up today.
So he's owed basically, on average about thirty two million
dollars a year for the next nine or ten years.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Okay, yes, Actually, what's the was a lot of deferral wins.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
The contract it runs out in twenty thirty three, so
we're talking three, six, nine more years from now, eight
more years. Sorry, they owned an average of thirty two
million dollars if so the Mariners right now, Jackson, check
this out.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
The Mariners in payroll are sixteenth in baseball.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
If they added the Rafael Devers contract for this year,
where do you think they'd be after that contract?
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Eighth?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
They'd be fifteenth. Excuse me, they go point spot.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, because there's a huge gap between gigantic gap between Baltimore, Arizona,
Boston and then Seattle. They would literally go from sixteenth
to fifteenth. They would jump one spot if they grabbed
Rafael Devers contract. How much better is this baseball team
right now if Rafaeld Devers is your designated hitter every single.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Freaking night, man so much better.
Speaker 8 (21:06):
And that's why I like, what makes the stupidest thing
Like the Red Sox CEO did some interview where he's like,
I think at the end of the year, you'll see
that we're gonna win more games than we would have
if we had Devers on the team, and Nimrod well, no.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
For them is obviously there was a relationship problem in Boston,
right is a pain in the ass, the whole first
base thing whatever. But again, yes, but there was obviously
a power play going on. Boston's not playing great right now.
Maybe they felt like, hey, whatever, let's get rid of
the guy not the culture fit for us in our
clubhouse or whatever. But I totally agree with you. I mean, uh,
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you know it's talking to Andrews about this off the year.
Hancock would have been the guy that they would have
had to probably have given up in place of Kyle Harrison.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
He would have been our Kyle Harrison.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I wouldn't have liked losing Emerson Hancock, but man, a
proven guy who's twenty eight years old. He won't be
twenty nine until October. He plays a lot of baseball.
He seems to be pretty healthy, good hitter in his prime.
Like Andrew said, I agree with that too. I mean,
it solves your DH problem. You're you're, you're, you're a
You're a better baseball team with him. You want help
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for Julio and cal Go, get a guy like that.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
There are guys I would certainly make the move for.
I'm not sure a guy that has been a malcontent,
that is not athletic, that does not play any defensive
position is necessarily one I'd want to.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Do that with.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
And I think and I think that a guy like that,
which you're You're born in nineteen seventy three, right, correct?
The San Francisco Giants will still be on the hook
for seven point five million dollars for Rafael Devers the
year you turn seventy years old?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
What do I care? Who cares?
Speaker 5 (22:46):
And I can't wait to make that phone call and
softly seven, hey, you know what the jobs seven point five?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Seven point five when I'm how old?
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Seventy? And so seven point five is the equivalent of
like four dollars right now. I mean honestly, I mean,
who gives a damn right?
Speaker 5 (22:58):
But I mean, so I guess my question where would
you draw the line? Like, because you and I are
on totally opposite ends.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Of the spectrum. Yeah, when it comes to money, when
it comes to big time. But so let me ask
you a question. Can I ask you a question? I
was gonna ask you a question first?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Okay, let me ask this first, and then I promise
you can ask yours? All right? Are you and John
Stanton's will like he has this has nothing to do
with John Stanton or the marriage just has to do it?
What how I would run.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
At base because it because it feels to me like
wor We're like there's something in it for you. No,
I've never seen a guy that defends Mariner ownership more
than you. It's almost like, are we certain that you're
not getting a cut of this down the road?
Speaker 8 (23:37):
Have you?
Speaker 5 (23:38):
I mean, have you heard anything of what I've said
about John Stanton in the last one year and a half.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I think.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Critical to be fair, but it just kind of feels
like like, I mean, I just don't get this.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
So here's so, here's I'm gonna try to help Softie,
because I understand why you don't get it, Dick. I
think every time you talk about this, you have to
preface this with one thing, Well, John Stan, we have
to apply his budget to the situation. We have to
apply John Stan's by because every comment about like, oh, well,
think about the money, think about the money, think about
the money. That wouldn't matter if when we're in New
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York or Boston or LA.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Want to pay the money. Hold on, hold on.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
The only reason you're making these comments, I think is
because we are just applying the known budget of the
Seattle Mariners to this entire conversation. So they have to
preface all the answers. But I think we have to
preface it with well, you know we think about the money. Well, yeah,
if since we're in Seattle, we actually have to think
about that. But like, if you want to just talk hypotheticals,
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how I would run the baseball team, how if I
were who, if I were an owner of the Yankees,
or if I was John Stan, Because that's that's way
different dollars even if.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
You have no salary cap like you do in baseball.
And here's where I'm gonna get in my.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Question for you guys there, like you have to draw
a line at some point, because it almost seems to
me like, oh, does he help the baseball team right now,
then this week give him three hundred million dollars. It's
it almost seems to me that you guys have gone
so far to one side that just says, God, does
he help the baseball team win the World Series, then
throw hundreds of millions dollars even if he has got
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this red flag, that red flag, this red flag and
that red flag. And I'm just saying I would give
three hundred million dollars to a player that I knew
was a five tool guy, top ten player in baseball.
Sho heyo Tani Juan Soto that type of level. I
don't believe Rafael Devers is that type of play.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Dick.
Speaker 8 (25:31):
When you say I, you say I would give you?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Say I?
Speaker 5 (25:34):
You say you if I was the owner of a
baseball team, And I, well, sure, how much money do you?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Are you John Stanton money?
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Or are you you know La New York?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I give those guys.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
I would give market value to whatever market value is.
I believe, Well, but see it does not matter the sport.
And I've said this a million times.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
My people over pay for players. It literally happens in
every sell But it's not successful Jackson.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
I mean, did the did the Dodgers not not win
a championship last year?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
The Dodgers won a championship last year? Jackson. But I'm
just trying to check into the Dodgers.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Do we really want to go into the conversation because
I can find a whole lot of teams that have
been very competitive at the bottom half of the Major
League Baseball payroll.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
If you want to go down that road, I'll go
down here.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
He gives you a better chance of winning.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Let me just can I jump in for a second.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
You don't pay good players great money. Okay, salary cap,
no salary cap. Now, it's it's way worse than football.
Ask the Dallas Cowboys and Dak Prescott. But you don't
pay good players great money. I think it can divide
a locker room. I can for where we're gonna have
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Rafael Devers at age thirty three, body at age forty.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
But why do you keep saying the body? The guy's
relatively healthy.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Every year he plays I mean he plays like one
hundred and forty and fifty games a year every year.
I don't understand what you mean by the body that's
number one, sorry to interrupt you. Number two, the whole
thing about the locker room or the clubhouse wide because
the guy's making thirty three million dollars. I mean, players
want other players to get paid. They never want a
salary cap. They want owners to spend willy nilly. And
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then number three. Yeah, thirty three million dollars right now
is a lot of money. It's top ten in baseball.
But where's it going to be in five years from now?
I mean ten years it would have been number one.
Now it's number ten. Twent years still not the way
salaries are going exponentially, it may be top thirty in baseball,
and five or six years from now. I just think
what you just said there, which I don't really understand,
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and maybe I'm misinterpreting what you just said. Whatever it
do to help the baseball team, you damn right go
spend money where you give.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Anybody, You give any player that was better than what
we have on the rosters.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Obviously a limit. I'm not spending a billion dollars on
Rafael Devers.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I get it that.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
In reality, everybody has a budget, so you'd got the
Mariners out there.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
But you'd spend you'd spend on on a guy that's
just better than anything we have, but not close to
a star, and he Rofel Devers. I'm talking about like
in free agency next year, if there was a guy
that wants seven years at twenty five million dollars a
year far and he ends up getting at someplace, but
he's not that much better the way.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Well, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking
about Raffael Devers.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, Roffael Devers makes your DH position exponentially better. He's
an aircraft carrier in your lineup on with cals is
desperate for Boston maybe because they don't like him anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
They're just the owner's pissed off.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
And again just because they traded, they're getting ripped for
trading him. Jim Bowden came out and fried them for
trading Rafael Devers. Look, I mean, I don't know why
Boston traded him. I'm just saying this. And if you're
telling me that Rafael Devers doesn't make this baseball team
exponentially better offensively, which you're not saying, you're crazy. He
absolutely would have made that better, and I would have
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absolutely made the deal.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
If you're telling me you can take the.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
DH spot from one of the worst in baseball to
one of the best in baseball overnight, and the price
that you pay today is that you have to jump
up one spot payroll wise on the rankings. Hell, yes,
I'm doing a couple of fine, but that's the price
you gotta pay because you can't develop offense.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
We're gonna break Brian Schmetzer.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I gonna join us next on ninety three to three KJRFM.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
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Speaker 3 (29:40):
All right, here he is joining us on the radio
show normally on Tuesdays, but today it's a Monday because tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
We have hockey at five o'clock.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Let's go Eiler's Baby game six down, three to two.
Got to bring it man, no Josse Boyce. But to
get the job done tomorrow in Florida, Well, the Sounders
played Barti Fargo yesterday played well, but ultimately a two
to one lost for them. But Brian, before we get
to that, we know that you're a p one of
this radio stationing you listen to KJR a lot. You're
like our number one fan. You got Dick Fane, foam
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fingers and softy posters all that. You heard the conversation
last segment about Raphael Devers going to Boston. Just curious,
as a coach, do you really care how much money
your players are making? Like if Adrian came to you
and said, hey, I can get you what's his name
against Jackson?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Cheat cho Arongo, cheat show Arongo.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
We're gonna we gotta pay him a little bit, but
we can get him. What would you say to Adrian.
Speaker 9 (30:33):
Well, I don't know if that's the best example, because
I think he might be a little bit past his prime,
and you know, he's kind of got some dubious character things,
and he's been to a bunch of teams in a
bunch of different years. But what I was and what
I liked about your last segment was Jackson was pretty feisty.
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I mean he was right, I mean, punching it out
with Dick and you, and the conversation as a coach,
we had that problem in MLS, you know, a long
time ago when they did the designated player rule, because
there was some hips these guys that were good, but
then there were some big time misses. And so we
had David Beckham, I heard was good with his teammates.
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We had Oba, you know, he always got the guy's
fancy dinners. Raoul was really good with the young kids.
I mean, we've had some good ones. But then you
miss on a guy in our league who's making two
three four million bucks and the other guys are making
two hundred thousand dollars. That's a lot to deal with
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inside the locker room as a coach and as a player.
I mean, you got to get those decisions.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Right, so there could be dissension.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Then if you bring in a guy that's making a
ton of money and he doesn't carry his weight for
whatever reason or was a problem like this guy was
in Boston obviously when he refused to play a position,
then that potentially could be a problem with his new team.
Speaker 9 (31:58):
Well, that could be a problem for the coach for sure.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
He also could kick ass and save your ass as
a coach, save your bacon. At the same time, you know,
I'm getting pissed off with this entire conversation, by the way,
I want it to be over.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Talk about Budafogo.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Then well, I just I look, I just think in
the in the end, the Mariners have not deserved the
right to get the break on anything like this because
the way they run an organization has proven to be
bearing zero fruit whatsoever.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
And that's what pisses me off, Brian. I'm sorry to
get on a tangent here, Palell, but that's just d
You realize I'm not defending the Mariners. I'm talking about
my own eye. You don't even know what's going on anymore.
I'm just very confused that everything all right. So the
two to one loss last night, obviously nobody wants to lose,
But tell me about the way these guys fought. We
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spent the last two weeks wondering how they would show
up given the controversy about pay, and it looked to
me like they played their asses off last night.
Speaker 9 (32:56):
For you. They were able to put all that stuff aside,
and Dick, they played up to their potential. You know,
we fell short and maybe one or two little areas,
but I mean they played great, They played with heart,
They played with desire, they never quit.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
I mean the game was exciting.
Speaker 9 (33:17):
You know, I was rewatching it just now in my
kitchen when I was listening to you guys. I mean,
it was an exciting game.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
So what do you tell them then when they have
when they fight like that, even though they were down,
they fight in the second half. To hopefully translate that
effort in a second half to when you're down in
an MLS game, which we haven't necessarily always seen that
same type of fight when you're down an MLS game.
Speaker 9 (33:40):
Well, I think, to be fair to the team, I
think the fight in this team since I've been around,
it's been there. But the quality of play, the intensity
of the play, I think is maybe where you're going.
Speaker 7 (33:52):
With this question.
Speaker 9 (33:54):
I absolutely said it in the locker room afterwards. They said, look,
you guys just competed with the you know, the South
American champion, and you guys, if you play like that
in our regular season, we're gonna win a pile of games.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah. Well, I mean that's where he's gonna go.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Just kind of detour for a second, guys, because Brian,
I'm sure you played baseball as a kid, used to
have a weight on your bat. When you're in the
on deck circle, you take off the weight and the
bat fills a thousand times lighter and it's so much.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Easier to swing.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Do you really, is there a chance after getting through
this Club World Cup that you're gonna play the MLS
and you're gonna be better off in the MLS for
going through this experience.
Speaker 9 (34:37):
Well, I think those this experience, those types of experiences
are gonna be good for like Obed Vargas. I mean,
the kid was on fire last night. He was everywhere,
and you know, getting a taste of what it's like
at that level is gonna make him a better player.
I think it's gonna remind Christian Rodane, who put in
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the work at midfield, It's going to remind him of
what he was like as a twenty two year old
kid trying to make it in sport and you had
to put that extra little bit of effort in so
he could, you know, be a starter on a top team.
I think it was good for you know, some of
the other guys that came on in the second half,
like Pedro, like Reed and some of the other guys.
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I mean, those are experiences that they were gonna learn from.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
I just think it's cool that people from around the
world are watching Seattle Sounders FC soccer last night that
normally would maybe never have seen Seattle Sounder soccer. How
do you feel like teams and fans around the world
Senior club maybe for the first time ever last night
and you put out a performance like that.
Speaker 9 (35:46):
I think it was a good performance. Look, there are
fans around the world, and maybe my crazy uncle came
from Germany to watch all three of these games, or
we do have fans around the world. But yeah, I
think it's a unique tournament. It's certainly a great opportunity
for us to showcase the Seattle Sounders, our team, our players,
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our city because a lot of Bodafoga fans were there.
I don't know if they all came from Brazil or
there's local people here, but there's a lot of eyeballs
in Seattle and we looked good.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah, well, Brian Schmetzer with us.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Do you have to play any differently you think facing
a team like Athletico Madrid, have a different strategy or
just play the same way and rely on your guys
to just maybe do a little bit better and do
their best.
Speaker 9 (36:31):
Well, we can't give up the goals that we gave
up Softy, because you know there at the end of
the day, you know, we gave up silly fowl. Knew
who knows better his bonehead play. You know, the second goal.
We knew they were good on crosses. We need to
get a body on the guy. But we need to
play with the same intensity. I thought some of our
possession was really good. Some of our attacking movements were
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really good. We had some chances even in the first half,
you know, to make it one one. Albert had a chance.
You know, Heyzus Ferreira brought it into his left and
maybe could have got it on the frame. And you know,
we did some damage. But we have to play almost
a perfect game for us to really have a chance
to win.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
You mentioned the new ho foul.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Then reed Baker Whiting came in played, well, do you
consider making a change forward there?
Speaker 9 (37:21):
Well, sure, I mean everything's on the table, Dick. I mean, look,
it was when we first started the tournament. You know,
we were thinking about, Okay, we're going to try and
go out and win. But do we give everybody an opportunity.
Some guys on the roster that have done well for
us look, I felt really bad that I couldn't get
Joe Paulo, who played for Bodafogo on the field. But
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situation doesn't wasn't warranted. So you know, we're going to
talk about that. We're gonna, you know, make sure that
everybody's healthy. It's three games, three intense games in a week,
so we'll probably have to make some changes.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
All right, man, good luck this week and we will
talk down the road. Man appreciate it got him, all.
Speaker 9 (38:04):
Right, Take care, guys and beat each other up in
the studio.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
That's too late. No, we're gonna kick each other's ass
at the Emerald Queen. That's what we're gonna do, all right.
Brian Schmesser with us. Good stuff out of him. We're
gonna break Cody Green, who flipped from Oregon to U
dub Why we'll ask him next on ninety three to
three KJRFM, joining us right now with the radio show
five Star Offensive Tackle east Side Catholic matter Day, was
gonna go to Oregon and then told Oregon to take
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a hype for you up. Cody Green is with us,
and Cody tell us what it was about Oregon that
turned you off and made you flip from the Ducks
to U Dub.
Speaker 7 (38:37):
So for me for Orgon to Eno too, right, I
was nothing really like it's not like against them, but
like like even though it's committed. Oregon coach Switch hit
me up as soon as he got the job. When
he got hired at You Dub, I was his first call.
He didn't try to sell me. He just checked in
and built a real relationship with me. Same with Marcus Griffin.
He's been my guy since I was a freshman. When
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he got teed up as director of recruiting, he started
calling me almost every day, just telling me about the
direction You Dub was headed. And my brother Kayden, he
just he just kept it real with me and said, bro,
you just got to come see for yourself. So I did.
I went with no expectations, just wanted to see it
with my own eyes.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Well, Cody Green is with us on the radio show,
and you mentioned coach Swits obviously, the brand new Michael Switzer,
the brand new offensive line coach at up. We don't
know a lot about him besides the fact that he
was an assistant for Jetfish obviously, so tell us about
the guy. What was it about your relationship with him.
That kind of made you feel comfortable, especially after it
felt like he made you a priority.
Speaker 7 (39:38):
So when I when I went up for a visit there,
I had a meeting with him and he was breaking
down my film, showing me practice some of the Huskies,
and he seemed very passionate, very eager to learn. So
like when he didn't know something like he'd be like, Okay,
I can learn this. Like he was very passionate in
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his game and he always is looking to strive to
be the best.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Well, Cody Green again is with US five star offensive
tackle going to play football for U d UP and
Jet Fish. And there were a lot of people that
were surprised. I guess when you moved from Washington, from
the state of Washington, go down and play football that
matter day. Well, what motivated that decision and how did
that maybe change you into a better person you think
after that experience?
Speaker 7 (40:22):
Many, Yeah, it wasn't easy. I left my home behind,
my best friends, Washston and Cotto, everything I'd known built.
But my plan A is making to the league and
chasing that dream means to sacrifice. Sacrifice some things. A
modern day, I'm surrounded by top tier talent every single day.
That daily competition has gotten me so much better. And yeah,
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people were loud about me leaving Washington, said I wouldn't
make it down here, but I stayed focused, put my
head down, earned every rep I was given, and ended
up being the Trinity League a lineman MVP. Now people
are being lot again in question why fifty dub. I'm
not worried. I mean, I'll just put them wrong again
like I did when I moved down here to Califor.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, well Cody Green again with started off with East
Side Catholic and now it mattered day.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
And I mean the move paid off.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
I mean, you got a five star composite ranking listed
as the number three tackle I believe in the country
by two four seven. But you know it's not like
you got a big ego, right, You sound kind of
humble about that. Tell me about those rankings and how
much you pay attention to that, and how cool that.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Is for you to hear people say things like that.
Speaker 7 (41:25):
I mean, it's cool, but like, I don't really get
caught up in the rankings, being number one ranked with
number the goal. That stuff is a way out of
my control. It's someone else's opinion. My goal is to
become the best player I can be. If they rank
me one, five or ten, it doesn't matter. I don't
need outside validation. I get that confirmation other Friday nights.
Every Friday night under the lights.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
I love it well.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Cody Green is with us incoming offensive tackle that you
doe with matter day five star player.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Was gonna go to Oregon and then he flipped to
U Dub. Dude.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
I got to ask you, honestly if it was reversed.
I'll be totally honest with you. If it was reversed
and you were gonna go to Dub and then you
turned away from you Dub and went to Oregon. You
and I are not talking right now, Okay, Yeah, I
mean I'll be I'll be totally honest with you. We're
not having this conversation. But how much heat did you take?
How much crap did you take from Oregon fans on
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social after you flipped to you Dub, be honest with us.
Speaker 7 (42:19):
I mean it was it was pretty bad. But I
was in a rough date for the first couple of hours.
But then I realized, like it's my decision, Like I'm
not gonna let people online determine where I'm gonna go
like this is my path?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah? Yeah, was there was there another option?
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Honestly when you decided and take us through the timeline, like,
was it, Hey, I just want to be at You
Dub and you mentioned play with your cousin obviously you
mentioned coach Switzer Or was it I don't want to
be at Oregon anymore. I have to go look somewhere else,
and Washington happened to be the place.
Speaker 7 (42:53):
No, No, it wasn't that. It was I realized, like
how much I feel like they valued me. Like at
You Dub, they were building like around me, not just
plugging me into a system. I feel like everything about
You Dub, I feel like was just this is this
is what I need in a program, this is what's
gonna take me to the next level.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Yeah, well, I think Cody Green with us again, five
star offensive tackle coming to U Dub. You know as
well as I, man, we live in a very skeptical world, right,
and when when people hear things like hey, they showed
me a lot of love, that showed me a lot
of respect, I can hear and see people in the
audience rolling their eyes saying, well he means nil. He
means he got a lot of money. He means he
got paid a lot of money. He's got a lot
(43:34):
of endorsements coming. So how much of that drove your
decision to leave Oregon to go to Washington.
Speaker 7 (43:41):
I mean, I'm not doing it for the nil I hope,
like I hope other kids aren't. But that's not for everyone,
Like that's not my main goal. Like the money's gonna come,
but I want to be somewhere that I'm actually like that,
I feel valued, and I feel like Washington is that place.
So it's not it's not for the high bader, it's
not for the highest number, the most whatever, like this
(44:04):
is this is the place I want to be at.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Well, you grew up a Husky fan, I assume, and
you probably had some heroes on the offensive line. I mean,
were your big fans the guys like Trey Adams and
and Caleb McGarry.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
I mean, Nick Harris is in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
He started at center against Alabama when he was seventeen
years old. So was there a guy that you followed,
that you dubbed that you want to kind of take
after a little bit?
Speaker 7 (44:26):
It wasn't really like an offensive lineman, but it was
Buddha Baker. Wow, I feel like that. Yeah, I feel
like that's the guys that I was like, dude, he slipped,
Like I mean, I was still young. I don't really
know like what happened, but like he's a star. He's
from Washington. That's like, that's probably one of the biggest
names like to come out of Washington. That was from Washington.
(44:46):
So it was it was really cool saying that.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Yeah, well yeah, I mean, you're both guys that left
Oregon to go to U dub and it worked out
pretty damn good for Buddha. I think at what point
he was the iest made safety in the NFL. Have
you talked to him, by the way, Cody, have you
talked to Buddha Baker at all?
Speaker 7 (45:01):
I have? I want to someday.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Well, I think we got to set that up, all right.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
I'll have my people call his people, and then I'll
call my people call your people, and we'll make it happen.
So what would be Cody before you go? First of all,
it's great to have you on the air. Looking forward
to catching up a ton when you get up here
to play for Jed. What would be your overall message
for Washington fans. I mean, you know, we're coming out
of this crazy era of Kaitlin de boor into Jedfish
where things are starting to settle down a little bit. Obviously,
(45:27):
recruiting's kicking ass. Everyone's all fired up for demand and
guys like you. What's your overall message you think for
Washington football fans that are wondering where this thing's headed.
Speaker 7 (45:38):
It's my message, the fans would be, I'm coming home,
and I'm coming with the purpose. I'm going to give
everything I have to this program, to my teammates into
the city. I love yellergames, someone who doesn't need the spotlight.
I just want to put people on the ground and
win games. Let's get to work.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
I love it, put people on the ground and win games. Man,
go get him Cody. Great stuff. Great to meet you, man,
look forward to see you in person. That we'll talk soon.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
Man.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Appreciate it, Bud, Yes, sir.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Well there you go Cody Green again. Had a chance
to catch up with him earlier for today's show. And
I don't know, man, I got a fundamental rule on
this radio show. Anybody who tells Oregon to take a
hike and says yes to Washington automatically gets a spot
on the radio program.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
And I mean, let's not buy naive.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
I mean the fact that he grew up here, the
fact that his cousin's playing for dub He went to
Eastside Catholic and then took off to go to Matter
Day to get kind of, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Exposure to better athletes. I get all that, But.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
If this kid was from California or from Texas or
from you know, Idaho wherever, he's probably not coming to you.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Dup. But this is what you need to do.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
I mean, it's kind of like Nil seems to be
taking over everything and it doesn't matter where you grew up.
It doesn't matter about putting a fence around the state,
things like that or kind of cliche now, but it's
still as important. Man. I mean, you got a kid
that grows up a Husky fan, and he admitted he
grew up a Husky said it right there, Buddha Baker.
It wasn't Trey Adams or kayleb McGarry's alignment was Buddha Baker.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Was his favorite player.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
You grew up a Husky fan and you live through
one of the greatest eras of Husky football.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
With that final fourteenes. You gotta be a husky man,
have to be.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
And well, you know, we'll forgive him for his you
know mistake that he made by originally choosing word. Yeah,
well we all have mistakes, as long as you correct
your mistake before it's too late.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Right now, he's going to the right spot.
Speaker 5 (47:28):
I'm just I'm excited at the new era of college
football and college basketball because I think wherever Washington was
in this current iteration, this two three year current iteration,
they're going to be in a better place in the
next iteration, even though they weren't in a terrible place
in this last Heck, we went to the national championship
(47:48):
what fifteen months ago, so it's not like we were
in a bad place in this current iteration.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Well, here's the thing, so think about like, and I
hate to bring this up, but I'll bring it up anyway,
right because I'm trying to make a point here, which
I don't really have a lot of points to make
on the air that people want to hear, so when
I do make one, Yeah, this is exactly I've been
sitting on this for at least five or six minutes.
When you are nine, ten years old in two thousand
and eight, and the Huskies are going, oh in twelve,
(48:16):
and you're rooting for Oregon, or you're rooting for USC
or Michigan anybody, but you dub because the Huskies stink.
Those kids when they're seventeen eighteen years old in two
thoy fifteen to whatever.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
You kind of understand it. You know why guys don't
choose you dubb.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
Because it didn't grow up Usky face Washington in the
last you know what, eight nine, ten years whatever. It
is now going back to the twenty sixteen season. So really,
if you're talking about two thy sixteen twenty thirteen, you're
talking about a seven eight year period where if you're
eleven twelve and then eighteen nineteen years seventeen eighteen years old,
(48:55):
you're exposed to two of the greatest runs in the
history of Washington football. I mean, we can now sit
down and say, hey, the era of eighteen year old
kids that were ten when Tyrone and Willingham was going
on went twelve.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Those days are now over. It's done.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Now we're talking about kids that live through Peterson, live
through Kaitlin de boor are gonna live through Jedfish. So
it almost feels like the idea of kids growing up
Washington fans is a cool thing again and that.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
We could maybe start banking on that.
Speaker 5 (49:26):
You're exactly right, You hit it on the head, and
you know, I am just now starting to get into
that time of life where friends of my kids are
going now to college or getting ready to go to college.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
And I can totally, I can totally vouch for what
you just said.
Speaker 5 (49:42):
It is cool to be a Washington Husky again, and
that was not the case. I remember stories, you know,
coaching ten fifteen years ago, I was coaching in two
thousand and eight and two thousand and nine, you couldn't
find a high school athlete that wore a Husky pair
of paraphernalia anyway anywhere.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
It was embarrassed.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
How would you want to be sixteen years old walking
around where in the jersey of a football team that
just lost every game.
Speaker 5 (50:08):
And it's getting back to the pay It's maybe not
back to the point when I was in high school,
because when I was in high school, we won a
national championship my senior year and everybody had a Husky gear.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
But it's getting back to that stage.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
Yeah really, yeah, Well, good for Cody for coming on
the air and talking about his his situation. Obviously, as
a five star tackle, there's gonna be a lot of
expectations placed on this kid right out of the gate.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
There's no question about that.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
You know.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
I just wonder again, you know, we talked to Jed
about this, dick last week. Is this gonna be a
situation not just with Cody, but with any you know,
highly recruited guy who's got a lot of offers in
a competitive market.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Are they gonna have to continue to recruit kids like this?
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Right?
Speaker 3 (50:48):
I mean Jed talked about this last week that when
a guy's on campus, Hey, you know, I need money
for recruiting high school players, but I also need money
from local businesses to step up and keep guys here
that maybe we didn't really think we'd have to work
that hard to keep here. You know, all of a sudden,
a three star guy plays his ass off, or a
four star guy blows up and surprises people, and there's
competition for those dudes. There's no type of player that
(51:10):
coaches want more than players that are already developed right right,
And there's a lot of guys like that that are
out there that don't need to be coached as much
as they would be. They're already developed. Somebody else coached
them up, and you're gonna, now, you know, bear the
fruit of that labor by somebody else. So this is
the kind of guy, Let's be honest that if he
ends up playing well, which we all think he's going to,
(51:31):
Washington's gonna have.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
To keep recruiting him every single year.
Speaker 5 (51:34):
Lily and I had a little I had a little
nugget in my notes, and you wanted me to write
down every once in a while, like write this down, right,
And so we had Jedfish on probably four or five
months ago, and you said, write this down. We gotta
find out how many guys Jedfish has taken from other
schools in this next five six month period. Do we
(51:56):
have any idea what about what that number is the
last five or six months that guys like this that
have committed to other schools that are now going to Washington,
because it's it seems to be a fairly sizable number.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Well, it seems like a lot of those players are
guys that were with him at Arizona. You know, we'd
have to I mean, that's gonna go away, obviously, after
he's probably done now right. I Mean, you spend a
couple of years getting kids to get brought to Arizona
with you, and then by year three, those kids are
either moving on or they came to Arizona to play
for somebody else.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
But no, we can look it up for sure. I mean,
I just feel like that's just the name of the
game is.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
You know, look college basketball going out and getting upperclassmen right,
you know that can stay together for at least two
or three years now to try to win a championship
or make the tournament. In college football, the more guys
that you can get that are established right away, it
can come in and contribute because I don't know how
many kids from this high school class will actually stay
at Washington, But again, you know other schools will have
(52:51):
the same problem. Washington Dick will lose kids from this
recruiting class. I'm talking to high school recruits, but they'll
gain other high school recruits from other people's classes that
will look drastically different after a couple of years. So
I'm fired up for Cody Green. Good for him, and
good for him telling the Oregon to suck it. We'll
get a break a lot more to get doing a
busy Monday from the emeral Quin Casino right here on
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