June 4, 2025 • 37 mins
In the first hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain discuss George Kirby improving but still not looking normal, chat with Mike Florio about Micah Parsons’ situation and the Seahawks in 2025, then discuss Sam Darnold’s starting job before Fun with Audio.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We call this the Furness, the two hour show off
the air five o'clock for Game one on the Stanley
Cup Final Florida and Edmonton. We're gonna head to Edmonton
about four o'clock today and get cam Moon on the air.
He is the radio play by play voice, but is
getting bumped because everybody goes down a notch with National TV.
(00:21):
TV guy does radio radio guy gets bumped because the
National TV people take over the broadcast.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Obviously that's happen.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So Cam Moon is probably working on, you know, a
six pack of cocainey whatever, getting ready for Game one
face off tonight. So we'll get him on the air
four o'clock. Mike Florio, who I'm certain will say nothing
about how awful my voice sounds. We'll join us in
about five minutes and we'll talk to the NFL. We'll
get Mike's thoughts on the Mike Caparsons situation. But we
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have I think what we should agree. I use certain topics.
I bring up, by the way, what just happened right there.
That's the most annoying part. When it starts to crack.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I think that's funny.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
That's the most annoying partner Jackson's annoying, really, because I think.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
We're getting a little bit of a peek into nineteen eighties,
six thirteen year old shop saftyll, Hey.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
You guys want to come over.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's almost I got some new magazines, you know. That's
almost If you do the whole show like that, it's
almost better.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I can do that. I could do the whole show
just like this. Do you want me to?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
This actually sounds a little better, does it not? I
could probably how much?
Speaker 5 (01:33):
How much you maybe I can do two hours just
like that until five o'clock.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
This either sounds like pure pretty you're somebody to die.
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
I just hope you don't get me sick.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It's not getting a lot of money to hear that.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Really, I would give you do the whole show in
that voice, I'd give you twenty bucks to do the
whole show. Now, I'm sure that our boss would not
like that.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I would running.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Let's just do Let's just do this next topic like this,
and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
Floria would say if he asked him all the questions, like, I.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Think he's gonna laugh his ass off, pi his pants
and thinking up the phone Are you kidding me? We
got a developing situation here, Dick, something to keep an
eye on with George Kirby. Obviously he's not going anywhere
for now, but this is three starts where things evant
gone well for him, and I think it's something to
keep an eye on, don't you know.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I don't think that George Kirby is just take the
freaking show, all right.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I'll be Ed McMahon.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Who's who's third on Letterman, who's the third guy on
Codan O'Brien, Who's the third guy? Whoever it is, I'll
be that guy. Can you guys just talk kind of
go ahead, I'll sider it out my side.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I think this was a different George Kirby than what
we saw the first two outings. I mean I was
fine with what I saw last night in comparison to
the Pinata, Yeah, that I watched in person last Wednesday.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
So I mean he got hit in the face. He
may have gone more.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
He was at ninety five pitches Jackson, but I mean
I that was the I feel better about George Kirby
now than I did at six forty yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Much better.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I mean, we just needed to see progress, right. I
mean the whole element was just show us that you
aren't just this guy now, show us that you are
just kind of still working back and I you know,
again it's sort of just like the little by little
we're see going to see if anybody's expecting to see
you know, vintage you know, ace level George Kirby right
now coming off an injury. I don't know if that's
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the right expectation. Just like, continue to see the progress
and you know, hopefully we don't take a step back
in four days. But you know, that's that's the fun part,
is just you know, kind of just being on your
your your hands and knees, hoping that he continues to
progress back to who he was.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Well, what we love about Bill Krueger is he always
comes out and speaks his mind.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
Right good tomorrow, and he's gonna be good tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
But last week when we had we had him on,
he was just like, I don't understand why these guys
need to be forced up to the major leagues as
soon as possible, you know, give him one rehab start
and then and then they're in the major leagues facing
the best hitters and in all the world. I mean
that just doesn't He was like, it doesn't make a
lot of sense. And I think what we're seeing is
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we're seeing spring training George Kirby, and and and then
first outing was awful, second outing was awful er, third
outing getting a little better. But in George Kirby's clock,
his calendar, it's still what like March the twentieth, Yeah,
in George Kirby's.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Calendar right now? So why should we expect them.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
To be great?
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Here's the thing though, don't we eventually need George Kirby
to be dominant again?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well, you can't do this.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Nom How close is he to being dominant?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
And I get what.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I didn't hear Bill say what he said, but I
can just you know, you paraphrased it well. I mean
my response to Bill would be, if the doctors say
he's ready, then he's ready, right.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I mean, what does he mean by rushing them up?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
There's a difference between being physically able to pitch without injury, right,
and being fine tuned to pitch in the major leagues.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
That is why we go through.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
For how do we know they didn't do that with him?
Did he have a rehab start? He had a rehab,
start simulated stuff. I mean, where we critical a lot,
I was gone, so I have no idea where we
critical on the air about the way the Mariners were
handling him to feel like they were pushing him. It
feels like George Kirby has been throwing now for like
two and a half weeks, So I mean, I would
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think if there's anybody who agrees with that more than
Bill Krueger, it's the Mariners, right, because I mean, they
handle these guys with kid gloves, for God's sakes, these
starting pitchers.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Was the last time you saw a marior starting pitcher
throw a complete game?
Speaker 6 (05:41):
But I think what the Mariners are saying sound terrible.
We want to get him into the major.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Leagues to help us start winning, but he's just not
ready yet. But he showed to be more ready last
night than he was last week.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
So that's good.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I just don't know enough about the way they handled
him behind the scenes to be critical about the timeline.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
And again, maybe Bill does. I don't. All right, it's
good to Mike Florio right now.
Speaker 7 (06:03):
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here's Softy and Dick.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
All right, boys and girls, here we go back here
at Jimmy's on first before he says anything, Yes, my
voice sounds terrible. I went to Greece and I came
back sounding like Mark Simpson.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
But here he is from Pro Footballtalk dot Com, the
NFL on NBC. My friend, the king of all NFL
media courtesy is Simply Seattle.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Michael Florio, how are you.
Speaker 8 (06:47):
Palam good?
Speaker 9 (06:48):
I've got three observations. Number one, it's an improvement.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Here we go.
Speaker 9 (06:51):
Number two, you kind of sound like the Godfather. But
number three, there's a twist of Peter Brady with his
voice changing in the if you remember that classic episode.
I know I'm dating myself, but Peter Brady screwed up
the track that the Brady six were gonna lay down
because his voice was changing.
Speaker 8 (07:10):
Souse.
Speaker 9 (07:10):
I had to rework the song and the new song
was based upon the fact that there is for all
of us a time to change, which is a perfect
flip side two, We're.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
All going to die.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Well, look, I mean, as Dick said, everybody wants to
know what a thirteen year old softy sounded like.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
And here you go. You're getting a little bit of
a preview right now. Mike with the Micah.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Parsons situation, saying he's not gonna hold out, he will
be at camp. Does this mean that Micah Parkson's saga
is over or is there more to come in your opinion.
Speaker 9 (07:42):
Well, let's be clear about what he said. He said
he would be at the mandatory mini camp as the
training camp. He said that's up to ownership, and that
would track with what Ezekiel Elliott did six years ago
Cowboys running back showed up for mandatory mini camp, did
not show up for training camp, held out late.
Speaker 8 (07:57):
Into the process.
Speaker 9 (07:59):
Wasn't really the same guy in twenty nineteen that he
was in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 8 (08:03):
And that's the DMO for the Cowboys.
Speaker 9 (08:06):
They drag their feet, and they drag their feet and
they drag.
Speaker 8 (08:09):
Their feet some more.
Speaker 9 (08:10):
It never gets cheaper. There's no strategy at play here
other than it guarantees it's Cowboys and their latest star
player who's yet signed a second contract, is the top
story on radio stations throughout the country, including in Seattle,
where it should be the last thing you're concerned about,
but it's the first thing because it's the Cowboys, and
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it's a weird situation involving the Cowboys, and it makes
no sense other than it advances the fairly obvious agenda.
They have to be talked about as much as possible,
and in.
Speaker 8 (08:42):
That regard, they win as it relates to.
Speaker 9 (08:45):
Getting to the NFC Championship game for twenty nine years
in counting, they lose.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Mike.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
We saw example number ten five and seventy six of
Mountain out of a Mole Hill in OTAs when Sam
Darnold throws two interceptions, and then the question was as
if there would be some sort potentially some sort of
quarterback battle, but you don't necessarily think that question was
crazy to ask if Sam Donald will be the starter
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in game one, why do you think that?
Speaker 9 (09:13):
And the question was is there any scenario other than
injury that would prevent Sam Donald from being the Week
one starter? And Mike McDonald said, it's a crazy question.
It's not a crazy question when you consider what happened
in twenty twelve, when Matt Flynn was the big free
agent acquisition, when Russell Wilson was the third round developmental
quarterback the team drafted, when John Schneider was still the
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GM of the organization, and on the field farre and square,
Russell Wilson was the better option. People said, oh, Pete
Carroll was so brave to go with Russell Wilson. No,
the brave slash dumb move would have been to go
with Matt Flynn because everybody knew Russell Wilson was better.
Why are we slamming the door on the possibility that
either Drew Locker Jalen Norrol could be better than Sam Donald.
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Donald had no real competition last year in Minnesota. The
alternatives were Nick Mullins and Brett Rippon. He was the starter,
wired a wire, He had some rough stretches where he
didn't have to worry about getting benched if he continued
for our interceptions like he did in Jacksonville, because they
had Nick Mullins and Brett Rippon as the alternative.
Speaker 8 (10:16):
So I think Mike McDonald said, what.
Speaker 9 (10:18):
He needed to say, because they know they don't want
to put too much pressure on Sam Donald.
Speaker 8 (10:23):
They don't want.
Speaker 9 (10:23):
Him to think that if he makes a mistake, that
could lead to another mistake that could lead to the
mistake that gets him benched. All because of this week eighteen.
Look at what happened to him against the Lions, biggest
game of his life, and he got the yips. He
missed passes, he made bad decisions. Vikings could have won
that game. Vikings could have been up early in that game.
Two opportunities in the red zone, no points because Donald
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was missing guys who were open. So I think they're
very sensitive to the perception from Donald's perspective that if
he's not the guy, he might think too much about
the stakes, and they have a vested interest in him
winning that job. Because they said goodbye to Gino Smith,
they deliberately didn't want to pay him. At the end
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of the day, he's not getting whole lot more than
Sam Donald, but they ought to take the third round
pick and move forward and pay Donald. They need Donald
to pay offer. It's going to look like they wasted
that money. So I understand why McDonald said what he said.
I disagree that it's crazy. It's not crazy. Maybe it
would be crazy for McDonald to acknowledge those questions because
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that could be the first domino that leads to Sam
Donald tripping over his feet and not being the starting quarterback.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Well, I didn't know that you had that opinion.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
By the way, I said the same thing to Ian
Varnessen Crosstalk that I didn't think it was that crazy
a question for exactly the reasons that you just brought up.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
So great Mike, then I changed my mind.
Speaker 9 (11:44):
I mean, if you want to go that way, something
is desperately wrong with my brain.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
About what about this thing that we've talked about Mike
and Mike Florio with us courtesy is simply Seattle and
Mike Verrell. I think Dick wrote about it in the
paper today that you know, Vegas thinks the Seahawks are
taking a step back. They're over under on wins is
what seven and a half I think it is right now,
and Dick and I both feel like that number is
way too low.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Do you think this team takes a step back this year?
Speaker 9 (12:13):
Well, I mean, first of all, the Vegas betting odds
are over under is driven by who's betting on whom,
and if the betting public is ticking against the Seahawks,
and the forty nine ers have emerged as betting favorite
for the division champion, and there's a way that things
fall together where the forty nine ers, who have a
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very easy schedule this year, if they get their guys
healthy and they can kind of get back to where
they were a couple of years ago, they could the
wire to wire bests in division. They could be the
number one seed in the NFC. I think the Seahawks
are just kind of an unknown quantity at this point,
mainly on offense. Defensively, they got the chance to be
pretty good. But if you don't have it going offensively,
who knows, and there's risks there. Deliberate calculated risk and
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pivoting from Geno Smith to Sam Darnold, deliberate calculator risk
in trading DK Metcalf and backfilling the position with Cooper Cupp,
who may or may not have his best days in
the rearview mirror. I mean, this is a hell of
a bet that was made by the Rams and the Seahawks.
The Rams are betting the Cooper Cup's done. The Seahawks are.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
Betting that he is.
Speaker 9 (13:14):
And I mean, how at the end of the day,
the Rams didn't go younger and cheaper than Cup, they.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
Went older and more expensive.
Speaker 9 (13:20):
That's their view of where Cooper Cupp currently is. So
that's part of the roll of the dice. There are
multiple roles of the dice that Seahawks are making, and
we see it every year. For some teams, they hit
seven seven seven. If seven is good, sometimes it's good,
sometimes it's not, but it's good.
Speaker 8 (13:32):
It's good, it's good. They win, they win, they.
Speaker 9 (13:34):
Win, and the next thing, you know, they're good enough
to make it for the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (13:36):
And it plays out.
Speaker 9 (13:37):
One week at a time and nobody knows what's going
to happen. Injuries are a factor, but there's a lot
of variables here that could skew one way or the other.
For the Seahawks, I could see them being bad. I
could see them being competitive.
Speaker 8 (13:50):
And that's the thing about.
Speaker 9 (13:51):
Two hundred and seventy two regular season games, barring ties,
there's gonna be a winner, there's gonna be a loser,
and there's gonna be good teams and there's gonna be
bad teams. And that's what makes it hard to do
preseason power rankings because the fans of the teams that
are picked to be logans indignant. But it's like, folks,
we know it happens every year. There's gonna be bad teams.
Speaker 8 (14:10):
That's the way it goes.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I just think when you have a defense that's this solid,
I mean, Devin Witherspoon came out yesterday says we're chasing
to be the number one defense in the league, and
I don't think that's necessarily preposterous.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
I mean, Hughes done a big breakdown for if your.
Speaker 9 (14:23):
Offense isn't any good, you can't have the best defense
in the league. If your offense isn't any good, if.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
You play conservative and you win games or lose games
seventeen to thirteen, then your defense is going to be
pretty good scoring wise.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
Oh, it all.
Speaker 9 (14:36):
Comes down to how good your offense is. If your
offense is a disaster, it's impossible to have a great defense.
But I'm not saying you have to have a hot,
flying offense. You just have a confident You need to
have a competent offense. You have a running game, and
you have running backs who can move the chains without
getting injured, and they still are looking for a guy
who can consistently stay healthy post Marshawn Lynch. I don't
know what it is that every running back that starts
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to develop that glow he could be the guy can't
stay healthy. And I know that injuries happen, and it's
a brutal sport and it takes more courage than you
know in their pinky than I have in my entire being.
But guys get injured playing running back, and the Seahawks
achilles heel has been since Marshawn Lynch.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
Can't find that.
Speaker 9 (15:17):
Guy who can just constantly pound and pound and move
the chain, and that would be a great compliment this year.
Kenneth Walker can play on a regular basis and play
well on a regular basis. That's an ingredient to have
kind of a grinded out, defense driven team that just
wins and wins and wins, and next thing you know,
they're in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Well, the Titans had the second best total defense in
football year ago and they won three games because their
offense was terrible.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I don't know how many pick sixes.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
They threw were fumbled for touchdowns they had, But we've
like the two thousand and they start of the ninety
two Seahawks right had that phenomenal defense and just couldn't
do anything on the offensive side of the ball. But
like Florio's with us again from Pro Football, Talk to
the NFL on NBC talk to us about this, this
conversation about small markets in the National Football League. Adam
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Silver is going around the commissioner or the NBA MIC
and saying, Hey, nobody complains when it's Kansas City in
Green Bay or Kansas City in Buffalo in the AFC Championship.
But you guys, you're bitching about Oklahoma City in Indiana.
Why does that work in the NFL but not in
the NBA.
Speaker 9 (16:20):
Because the NFL has transcended market size. The Super Bowl
is the ultimate American sporting event. It draws in millions
upon millions. It draws in people who don't follow football
on a regular basis that New York LA big team,
big market, exciting team. Whatever, it doesn't apply.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
The Super Bowl is always the Super Bowl.
Speaker 9 (16:42):
It could be Jacksonville and Carolina in the Super Bowl
this year and it would still set a record for
the highest viewership ever. Because every year those teams that
become championship caliber they are forged through week after we
of playing games, winning games, they get that glow. You
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know what, Chris Mjy used to hate the Bengals uniforms. Well,
in twenty twenty one, they start winning and winning and winning.
All of a sudden, those uniforms look a lot better.
That team looks a lot better. So I think all
those factors in the NFL make it impervious to question
of how big the market is for the two teams
that end up in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Well for them, where the NBA cuts their nose off
to spite their face because they only show like seven
or eight teams every year on national TV all the
year long, then twenty four teams go completely obscured. Final
second with Mike Florio, what becomes of Stefan Diggs and
his contract after the physical that I don't believe we
know the results of, and his boat trip with the
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pink substance he was seen with.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
Well this was I think jarring.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
Over the weekend on Scott Zolak, who's been working for
the Patriots radio network for years, said he's heard that
it's on the table to possibly cut Stefon Digg. I
got a contract, I poured through. There's a critical clause
in there about passing a physical before he's entitled the
signing bonus, about any injury to his knee that had
the torn ACL last year. If that happens, it invalidates
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future guarantees. And the Patriots won't say whether or not
he passed the physical. I heard from a GM earlier
who thinks the mere fact that he was on the
practice field, even if it was only individual drills, that
means he's passed that physical. I don't know why the
Patriots won't come out and say he's passed that physical,
but that physical is key, because that's their one escape
hatch if they decide this just isn't working with Stefon Diggs,
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and the doctor who works for us and would like
to continue working for us can be told in fairly
discreete terms, you'll fail him on that physical and we'll
just move on. But there are people throughout the NFL
right now who currently believe that, not throughout, but at
least one person who has been a GM for a
significant period of time believes that if he's on the
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field practicing, he had to have passed that physical.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Michael, great stuff. You hanging with us through difficult sort some.
Speaker 9 (19:02):
Rose hips and flavonoids and honey and rest your voice.
Your wife will be happy if you say nothing for
like five days at home.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I think the audience would love that as well.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
All Right, we'll talking awake, Buddy Sew all right, Mike
Florio with us. Uh this uh darnold versus meroe thing.
This question that was asked. We want to debate that
a little bit. Did you guys talk about that? Did
you next?
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Speaker 1 (19:45):
All Right, I've been talld with my current voice situation
here by noted vocal expert Richard Alphame Jackson that I
should just talk like this.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
Yeah, and it's working.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
This sounds fine.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, here it Jimmy on first, it would be fifteenth
here on day three of the US Open.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
That's good. Twenty feet now there you go.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Then this happens, Oh, gross Jesus, you had to do
that on the air.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Well, come on, like, those are headphones that other people
besides you use my headphones.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
They have my name on that. I'm taking them home now,
I am. I'm sorry. What do you want from me?
Hit the mute button.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
That's what I want from you.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I want to express the situation I'm working on her,
and I want it to be authetic.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
If I don't pass that along, then nobody understands the predicament.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
That I'm I'm going to say, Arry, I'm gonna say
the same thing I just said ten seconds before we
took the air. If you gotta go, go, no, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
We had the conversation with Mike Florio last segment. The
question was asked about jaybon Milroe starting over Sam Darnold.
Here's what Mike Florio thinks about that topic.
Speaker 9 (20:57):
The question was is there any anario other than injury
that would prevent Sam Donald from being the Week one starter?
And Mike McDonald said, it's a crazy question. It's not
a crazy question when you consider what happened in twenty
twelve when Matt Flynn was the big free agent acquisition,
when Russell Wilson was the third round developmental quarterback the
team drafted when John Schneider was still the GM of
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the organization and on the field Barren Square. Russell Wilson
was the better option. People said, Oh, Pete Carroll was
so brave, he goes Russellilson. No, the brave slash dumb
move would have been to go with Matt Flynn because
everybody knew Russell Wilson was better. Why are we slamming
the door on the possibility that either Drew Locker Jalen
Morroll could be better than Sam Donald.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
Donald had no.
Speaker 9 (21:43):
Real competition last year in Minnesota. The alternatives were Nick
Mullins and Brett Rippon. He was the starter, wired a wire.
He had some rough stretches where he didn't have to
worry about getting benched if he continued for our receptions
like he did in Jacksonville, because they had Nick Mullins
and Brett Rippon as the altar. So I think Mike
McDonald said what he needed to say. Because they know
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they don't want to put too much pressure on Sam Donald.
They don't want him to think that if he makes
a mistake that could lead to another mistake that could
lead to the mistake that gets him benched all because
of this week eighteam. Look at what happened to him
against the Lions, biggest game of his life, and he
got the yips. He miss passes, he made bad decisions.
Vikings could have won that game. Vikings could have been
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up early in that game. Two opportunities in the red zone,
no points because Donald was missing guys who were open.
So I think they're very sensitive to the perception from
Donald's perspective that if he's not the guy, he might
think too much about the stakes. And they also have
a vested interest in him winning that job because they
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said goodbye to Gino Smith. They deliberately didn't want to
pay him. At the end of the day, he's not
getting a whole lot more than Sam Donald, but they
ought to take the third round pick and move forward
and pay Donald. They need Donald to pay off. It's
going to look like they way that money. So I
understand why McDonald said what he said. I disagree that
it's crazy. It's not crazy. Maybe it would be crazy
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for McDonald to acknowledge those questions because that could be
the first domino that leads to Sam Donald tripping over
his feet and not being the starting quarterback.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Well, I agree with a lot of what Mike said there, Dick,
and I'll tell you what I think he's right about
the reasoning behind him being so adamant that we want
Sam Donald to know that he's our guy, right, we
want him to know that we have.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
His back a thousand percent.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
But the idea that there's no part of Mike McDonald whatsoever,
that it's curious to see what Jalen Milroe can bring
to the table and that that might be enough to
force somebody's hand. I think it's a very small percentage.
Maybe it's five percent, maybe it's six percent. But don't
forget this is the same guy that said Geno's our
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starting quarterback and then traded him two weeks later. Okay,
So you if we believe in this business that we
always get the truth and the entire story when these
guys open their pie holes, you're naive. And I'm not
saying you believe that because we just had a situation
three months ago where he was asked about he was adamant, adamant,
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I don't know where this is coming from. Remember that
I have no idea where this is coming from. Geno's
our guy. Oh By the way Geno Goodlock in Vegas. Okay,
So do I think it's gonna happen?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Can I paint a scenario and it might take me
a couple of moves to get there. I'll admit that
where Jalon Milroe ends up beating him out, Yeah, I
could do that for you if you want to go
down that road.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
I can't, and I'm I'm the captain of the of
the President you Are fan club. Jalen Milroe is nowhere
near close to Russell Wilson in accuracy. When Russell Wilson
was in his first training camp in the NFL, you
cannot compare Jalen Milroe.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
And Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson was.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
A much more NFL starting quarterback ready passer when he
was coming out of college than Jalen Milroe is now.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Noubt.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
That's not to say Jalen Milroe can't have the same
type of career that just than Russe Wilson as because
Jalen Milroe's got a lot of stuff that Russell Wilson
didn't like, just a freakishly athletic body.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
But it's gonna take time for Jalen Milroe.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
So that's the reason that Russell Wilson got the job
is because he was a more accurate passer.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Than Matt Finn. Jalen Milroe is nowhere.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Close to as accurate a passer as Sam Darnold is
right now, Sam Donald was a top ten in the
MVP last year, and that's after falling from what everybody
thought was going to be like third or fourth to
tenth because of how he ended the season. I mean,
he was a top five guy most of the year.
So to say he was the starter by default, which
was what Mike's mentioned, it's accurate that he was the
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starter by default to begin the season. He was not
the starter by default when he was a top five
MVP candidate for three months.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Well, I like to see what Milroe looks like when
he gets here and he's playing in games.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I obviously agree with you. You know my thoughts on
his accuracy.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I mean, heck, I told it to the guy's face
for crying out loud, So obviously I.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Agree with you on that. But don't forget that Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Everything you're saying now about Russell Wilson, we didn't know
that until he started playing in September or excuse me,
August of twenty twelve. We had no idea. There was
nobody in this city, not one person in June of
twenty twelve, who thought Russell Wilson would beat out Matt Kurrat.
Not one person, Okay, and then he goes and lights
the world on fire. Was at the Chief game out
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there at Aarrawhead Stadium, I think it was Kansas City
in the preseason. I remember where I was. I was
over at heck Ed covering basketball. Is like, Wow, what
the hell's going on with this guy? There's something going
on here. So I just think it's up to Jaln Milroe.
I mean, Drew Lock's done nothing, right, you know what's
Drew Locke done to not get surpassed by Jaln Milroe
if he can earn it as the number two quarterback
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of the Seahawks. So I just think in the end,
I think all these guys, this is a little bit
of a different vibe than what we had with Pete
Carroll because Pete Carroll will tell you everything's open for competition,
right Mike mc donald' shutting that down right away.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Well, everything was open for competition, except when it wasn't
when Gino Smith was battling Drew Lockes starting quese.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
That's true. Well, then Drew Locke got COVID, never got
a shop.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
But for the most part, you're right, all right, three
forty a little fun with audio next ninety three to
three kjrff.
Speaker 10 (27:24):
It's now time for someday in Digg's Fun with Audio,
Jimmy G.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Pawn starred Jimmy mister garoppolo.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
Now let's have some fun with audio.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I'm already hearing from people in the yellstening audience, guys
that my performance today is up there with the Jordan
flu game and the oh Willis Reed performance for the
Knicks in the NBA finals in the early seventies.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
So well, what.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Separates you from from Jordan and from Willis Reed is
you've done it two days in a row.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Those those hacks, right and do it two days? Well,
they did it for one game.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
You asked Jordan to go out there for overtime with
the flu and see what happens.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Baby, all right, he's got nothing on me.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
So we're fighting through this on the air, hanging out
till five o'clock tonight. We got Game one Stanley Cup Finals.
Cam Moon is the radio voice of the Oilers. Here
what joined us? Next segment at four o'clock, but right
now though a little fun with audio slash.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Hey did you hear that? Hey, Dick, did you happen
to hear that? What's that? Dick?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
We start in the NBA. After firing Tom Thibodeau, the
next simply released the.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Statements about the move well on ESPN today, Steven A
ripping next president Leon Rose and owner James Dolan for
their lack of accountability.
Speaker 11 (28:33):
With the media, and, to be quite honest with you,
I think we all, as New Yorker should find Leon
Rose's statement offensive. Get the hell in front of a
microphone and a camera and answer questions. Stop being a coward,
because that's how he's acting. I'm not calling him that
as a man who as a person. I'm saying that's
how he's been acting as president of the New York Knicks.
When it comes to communicating with the media and articulating
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the decisions that you make and why they.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
Are being made.
Speaker 11 (28:57):
Could you have the decency to stand before to meet
and answer the questions, answer the stand before the growing
public and answer the question that statement is as weak
as it gets. It emanates from a James Dole and
run organization who doesn't want to communicate with the media himself,
who never wants to answer any questions, and they get
away with it because they don't have to answer to
anybody because they know that Nick fans are still going
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to show up at madisonsqua aguaruded patronizing their product and
their brand and doing everything that they can to make
sure that they support the team.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Well, he makes a lot of sense because what's gonna
happen next. Let's just play the what's gonna happen in
the next three weeks. Mike Malone or somebody else is
gonna get hired to be the head coach the New
York next. So they're going to hold a press conference
and guess what the media is gonna want.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
To talk about.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Not Mike Malone, right, They're gonna want to ask And
then Leon Rose is gonna sit up there and say,
this is this is Mike's day.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
I want I want questions about.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Mike teams Wan.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
They won't let him get away with that. New York
media will not let him get away with that.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
But that's what's gonna happen, it's gonna try for try.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I think he's one hundred percent right about the lack
of accountability. And we've seen it in Seattle with the
guy that owns the baseball team a million times, where
you make a move or something happens and you're running hide,
or if you do talk, you talk to a very
team friendly media outlet that will throw you a bunch
of softballs.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
So I'm with them one thousand percent.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I think it's chicken crap that those guys did not
face the media after firing this guy. You realize that
James Dolan's father's company bought the Knicks in nineteen ninety four.
They've had consecutive fifty win seasons twice. One of them
was that next year after they bought the franchise.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
And that's how terrible they've been.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
And a fifty win season nothing, let's think about that. Yeah,
that's only nine games better. That's winning nine more games
than being a five hundred team, right, I mean, it's
not like fifty is elite.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Sixty is elite in the NBA, not fifty.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
All right, may Dick, did you happen to hear that?
What's that? Dick on Bill Simmons podcast this week. He
responded to any one in the media who says the
Thunder are about to win their second championship in franchise.
Speaker 12 (30:59):
History, and then OKC has never won And if you
give them, give them the Sonics title and say that
was their last title, I have two middle fingers for you,
because that wasn't their title, just like the foot just
like the five Minneapolis titles, do not belong to the
Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
That's both two.
Speaker 12 (31:17):
The Sonics existed, they won the title, and it does
not belong to Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
See you said, well, look, I mean none of us
are going to debate that, obviously. I just think it's
wild that people continue to do this. You know, we
talked to Jerry Brewer about this yesterday. Why not just
start the history when the team moves to a new
city with that date. You know, you tell people that
the Oklahoma City Thunder about to win their second title. Okay,
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then tell me how that first championship was perceived back
at the day in Oklahoma. Yeah, nobody cared because it
was in Seattle.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
Was there no parade in Oklahoma? Saidy in nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Is it so hard to just start the history on
the day they moved to a new town. Nobody cares
technically for the business perconspective about what's happening on paper
or behind the scenes. All of these things are about
the fans and how they react to these accomplies.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
And then you don't have to worry about it when
a team comes back like they will to Seattle. Whose
history is Who's where's the champion? Where's the banners go? No,
it's it's just all a very very clean break.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
And guess who else should not want this to be
called the second championship?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Both under fans?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yes, absolutely, you'd want nothing to do with them if
you were in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
All right, hey, Dick, did you happen to hear that?
What's that? Dick? Let's go to number seven Jackson.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
During TNT's tennis coverage of the French Open, John McEnroe
and Brian Anderson had this back and forth about the
start time of the Stanley Cup final game today.
Speaker 13 (32:40):
I'm thinking time wise and I got a match tomorrow.
But that's Stanley Cup finals that start at seven eastern?
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Or is that the street game show?
Speaker 13 (32:48):
It's it's that's when you want to start watching, it's
seven eastern for the build up, it's the puck trucks win. No, no, no,
I'm sorry, we're gonna hold that information. N said a
lot of things you got to know before then, John,
you've been doing this a while.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I haven't got how much have I been complaining about this? Oh?
All the time? All the time. Finding the start time
for a finals game is the.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Biggest kept secret in media, Jackson, What time does the
game start tonight?
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I believe it's gonna be about twenty one after the top.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Vol and it's five o'clock on ESPN dot com.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
But the actual start time is five twenty one if
that's even accurate.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
You got to hear the two anthems.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Basically, the answer I've gotten is it's, you know, five
minutes pleasure minus off of five p fifteen. But but
based on the time it started last year, by twenty one.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Well, here's the thing. I get it.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
They pay a lot of money for these rights. They
want you to watch as long as you can. They
want you to tune in for the pregame show. But
the idea that a fan who's getting off work and
getting it as much work as he possibly can before
he races home. Yes, to watch this game cannot be
told by anybody what time tip off is or what
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time the puck drops again.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
It's like it's like a South North Korean secret.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
Well, I mean, I think ideal, ideally.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Ten to fifteen minute pregame show, right, you can get
everything you need to get in. You can get all
the pomping circumstance and hype in in a ten minute.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Well, they gotta sell. They gotta sell the spots.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
It's all about the commercial inventory, right, That's why they
do it for an hour, because they want to sell commercials.
What do you think we do a four hour pregame
show for you, dub in Portland State?
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Are you kidding me? To sell commercials? We got time
for one more Jackson or no?
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:36):
All right, you pick one three, four, six, eight? What
do you want?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Leo eight the one that you just said you got?
Rick Carlisle got it?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
You got it? Hey, Dick Man, I sound terrible, don't I? Hey, Dick,
did you happen to hear that?
Speaker 6 (34:48):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Dick?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Rick Carlisle former Sonic radio color commentator, by the way,
with Kevin Collaboro, who will join us tomorrow. On the
radio show, was asked about Tom Tibodeau getting fire by
the Knicks after back to back fifty win seasons.
Speaker 14 (35:04):
Here's what he said, what happened yesterday and when I
when I first saw it, it came over one of
the you know, I thought it was one of those
fake AI things. You know that the way that's the
way possible, you know, And I know how the players
feel about him too, and so.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Has not much else to say. I mean, teams and ownership.
Speaker 13 (35:30):
Can can make these decisions unilaterally and then and it's.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Their right to do that. So you remember, he's got
some personal experience with this. Carlisle does. Remember the Pistons
fired him after he won fifty games, and they hired
Larry Brown and they won the NBA title.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
So a lot of this in New York, I think
kind of depends on how they respond to it. If
they hire the right guy and they win and they
make the NBA Finals. But if they don't and they
fall apart, then all the criticism is well deserve you.
You At this point a few months ago, it really
feels like NBA teams jump off the wagon quickly from
these coaches man, Well.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
They do, because I don't think you know when it
comes in the how important a coach is. I mean,
a coach of a football team is massively more important
than a coach of a baseball a basketball team, right,
And then I would say a coach with a basketball
team is more important than a coach of a baseball
team or a manager of a baseball team. But it's
all about the Jimmy's and Joe's on the basketball floor, right.
You got to put them together. It's not coaching, isn't
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isn't nothing. We saw Phil Jackson take over a Doug
Collins team that couldn't win a title and couldn't get
past the Eastern Conference, and Phil was able to bring
them all together. We've seen that. We've seen him do
it in LA when Del Harris was there. Del Harris
couldn't put it together. Phil Jackson was able. So there
are elite coaches in the NBA that Popovich, that can
put it all together. But for the most part, right,
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you're gonna be within four or five games of what
you should be because of your talent.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Let's I gotta break Cam Moon, who is the radio
voice of the Edmonton Oilers, we'll see if he stands
a word I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Next on ninety three three k j R F M
We call this the Furness, the two hour show off
the air five o'clock for Game one on the Stanley
Cup Final Florida and Edmonton. We're gonna head to Edmonton
about four o'clock today and get cam Moon on the air.
He is the radio play by play voice, but is
getting bumped because everybody goes down a notch with National TV.
(00:21):
TV guy does radio radio guy gets bumped because the
National TV people take over the broadcast.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Obviously that's happen.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So Cam Moon is probably working on, you know, a
six pack of cocainey whatever, getting ready for Game one
face off tonight. So we'll get him on the air
four o'clock. Mike Florio, who I'm certain will say nothing
about how awful my voice sounds. We'll join us in
about five minutes and we'll talk to the NFL. We'll
get Mike's thoughts on the Mike Caparsons situation. But we
(00:51):
have I think what we should agree. I use certain topics.
I bring up, by the way, what just happened right there.
That's the most annoying part. When it starts to crack.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I think that's funny.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
That's the most annoying partner Jackson's annoying, really, because I think.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
We're getting a little bit of a peek into nineteen eighties,
six thirteen year old shop saftyll, Hey.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
You guys want to come over.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's almost I got some new magazines, you know. That's
almost If you do the whole show like that, it's
almost better.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I can do that. I could do the whole show
just like this. Do you want me to?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
This actually sounds a little better, does it not? I
could probably how much?
Speaker 5 (01:33):
How much you maybe I can do two hours just
like that until five o'clock.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
This either sounds like pure pretty you're somebody to die.
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
I just hope you don't get me sick.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It's not getting a lot of money to hear that.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Really, I would give you do the whole show in
that voice, I'd give you twenty bucks to do the
whole show. Now, I'm sure that our boss would not
like that.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I would running.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Let's just do Let's just do this next topic like this,
and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
Floria would say if he asked him all the questions, like, I.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Think he's gonna laugh his ass off, pi his pants
and thinking up the phone Are you kidding me? We
got a developing situation here, Dick, something to keep an
eye on with George Kirby. Obviously he's not going anywhere
for now, but this is three starts where things evant
gone well for him, and I think it's something to
keep an eye on, don't you know.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I don't think that George Kirby is just take the
freaking show, all right.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I'll be Ed McMahon.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Who's who's third on Letterman, who's the third guy on
Codan O'Brien, Who's the third guy? Whoever it is, I'll
be that guy. Can you guys just talk kind of
go ahead, I'll sider it out my side.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I think this was a different George Kirby than what
we saw the first two outings. I mean I was
fine with what I saw last night in comparison to
the Pinata, Yeah, that I watched in person last Wednesday.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
So I mean he got hit in the face. He
may have gone more.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
He was at ninety five pitches Jackson, but I mean
I that was the I feel better about George Kirby
now than I did at six forty yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Much better.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I mean, we just needed to see progress, right. I
mean the whole element was just show us that you
aren't just this guy now, show us that you are
just kind of still working back and I you know,
again it's sort of just like the little by little
we're see going to see if anybody's expecting to see
you know, vintage you know, ace level George Kirby right
now coming off an injury. I don't know if that's
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the right expectation. Just like, continue to see the progress
and you know, hopefully we don't take a step back
in four days. But you know, that's that's the fun part,
is just you know, kind of just being on your
your your hands and knees, hoping that he continues to
progress back to who he was.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Well, what we love about Bill Krueger is he always
comes out and speaks his mind.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
Right good tomorrow, and he's gonna be good tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
But last week when we had we had him on,
he was just like, I don't understand why these guys
need to be forced up to the major leagues as
soon as possible, you know, give him one rehab start
and then and then they're in the major leagues facing
the best hitters and in all the world. I mean
that just doesn't He was like, it doesn't make a
lot of sense. And I think what we're seeing is
(04:11):
we're seeing spring training George Kirby, and and and then
first outing was awful, second outing was awful er, third
outing getting a little better. But in George Kirby's clock,
his calendar, it's still what like March the twentieth, Yeah,
in George Kirby's.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Calendar right now? So why should we expect them.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
To be great?
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Here's the thing though, don't we eventually need George Kirby
to be dominant again?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well, you can't do this.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Nom How close is he to being dominant?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
And I get what.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I didn't hear Bill say what he said, but I
can just you know, you paraphrased it well. I mean
my response to Bill would be, if the doctors say
he's ready, then he's ready, right.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I mean, what does he mean by rushing them up?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
There's a difference between being physically able to pitch without injury, right,
and being fine tuned to pitch in the major leagues.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
That is why we go through.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
For how do we know they didn't do that with him?
Did he have a rehab start? He had a rehab,
start simulated stuff. I mean, where we critical a lot,
I was gone, so I have no idea where we
critical on the air about the way the Mariners were
handling him to feel like they were pushing him. It
feels like George Kirby has been throwing now for like
two and a half weeks, So I mean, I would
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think if there's anybody who agrees with that more than
Bill Krueger, it's the Mariners, right, because I mean, they
handle these guys with kid gloves, for God's sakes, these
starting pitchers.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Was the last time you saw a marior starting pitcher
throw a complete game?
Speaker 6 (05:41):
But I think what the Mariners are saying sound terrible.
We want to get him into the major.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Leagues to help us start winning, but he's just not
ready yet. But he showed to be more ready last
night than he was last week.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
So that's good.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I just don't know enough about the way they handled
him behind the scenes to be critical about the timeline.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
And again, maybe Bill does. I don't. All right, it's
good to Mike Florio right now.
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All right, boys and girls, here we go back here
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voice sounds terrible. I went to Greece and I came
back sounding like Mark Simpson.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
But here he is from Pro Footballtalk dot Com, the
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Speaker 2 (06:45):
Michael Florio, how are you.
Speaker 8 (06:47):
Palam good?
Speaker 9 (06:48):
I've got three observations. Number one, it's an improvement.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Here we go.
Speaker 9 (06:51):
Number two, you kind of sound like the Godfather. But
number three, there's a twist of Peter Brady with his
voice changing in the if you remember that classic episode.
I know I'm dating myself, but Peter Brady screwed up
the track that the Brady six were gonna lay down
because his voice was changing.
Speaker 8 (07:10):
Souse.
Speaker 9 (07:10):
I had to rework the song and the new song
was based upon the fact that there is for all
of us a time to change, which is a perfect
flip side two, We're.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
All going to die.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Well, look, I mean, as Dick said, everybody wants to
know what a thirteen year old softy sounded like.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
And here you go. You're getting a little bit of
a preview right now. Mike with the Micah.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Parsons situation, saying he's not gonna hold out, he will
be at camp. Does this mean that Micah Parkson's saga
is over or is there more to come in your opinion.
Speaker 9 (07:42):
Well, let's be clear about what he said. He said
he would be at the mandatory mini camp as the
training camp. He said that's up to ownership, and that
would track with what Ezekiel Elliott did six years ago
Cowboys running back showed up for mandatory mini camp, did
not show up for training camp, held out late.
Speaker 8 (07:57):
Into the process.
Speaker 9 (07:59):
Wasn't really the same guy in twenty nineteen that he
was in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 8 (08:03):
And that's the DMO for the Cowboys.
Speaker 9 (08:06):
They drag their feet, and they drag their feet and
they drag.
Speaker 8 (08:09):
Their feet some more.
Speaker 9 (08:10):
It never gets cheaper. There's no strategy at play here
other than it guarantees it's Cowboys and their latest star
player who's yet signed a second contract, is the top
story on radio stations throughout the country, including in Seattle,
where it should be the last thing you're concerned about,
but it's the first thing because it's the Cowboys, and
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it's a weird situation involving the Cowboys, and it makes
no sense other than it advances the fairly obvious agenda.
They have to be talked about as much as possible,
and in.
Speaker 8 (08:42):
That regard, they win as it relates to.
Speaker 9 (08:45):
Getting to the NFC Championship game for twenty nine years
in counting, they lose.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Mike.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
We saw example number ten five and seventy six of
Mountain out of a Mole Hill in OTAs when Sam
Darnold throws two interceptions, and then the question was as
if there would be some sort potentially some sort of
quarterback battle, but you don't necessarily think that question was
crazy to ask if Sam Donald will be the starter
(09:11):
in game one, why do you think that?
Speaker 9 (09:13):
And the question was is there any scenario other than
injury that would prevent Sam Donald from being the Week
one starter? And Mike McDonald said, it's a crazy question.
It's not a crazy question when you consider what happened
in twenty twelve, when Matt Flynn was the big free
agent acquisition, when Russell Wilson was the third round developmental
quarterback the team drafted, when John Schneider was still the
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GM of the organization, and on the field farre and square,
Russell Wilson was the better option. People said, oh, Pete
Carroll was so brave to go with Russell Wilson. No,
the brave slash dumb move would have been to go
with Matt Flynn because everybody knew Russell Wilson was better.
Why are we slamming the door on the possibility that
either Drew Locker Jalen Norrol could be better than Sam Donald.
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Donald had no real competition last year in Minnesota. The
alternatives were Nick Mullins and Brett Rippon. He was the starter,
wired a wire, He had some rough stretches where he
didn't have to worry about getting benched if he continued
for our interceptions like he did in Jacksonville, because they
had Nick Mullins and Brett Rippon as the alternative.
Speaker 8 (10:16):
So I think Mike McDonald said, what.
Speaker 9 (10:18):
He needed to say, because they know they don't want
to put too much pressure on Sam Donald.
Speaker 8 (10:23):
They don't want.
Speaker 9 (10:23):
Him to think that if he makes a mistake, that
could lead to another mistake that could lead to the
mistake that gets him benched. All because of this week eighteen.
Look at what happened to him against the Lions, biggest
game of his life, and he got the yips. He
missed passes, he made bad decisions. Vikings could have won
that game. Vikings could have been up early in that game.
Two opportunities in the red zone, no points because Donald
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was missing guys who were open. So I think they're
very sensitive to the perception from Donald's perspective that if
he's not the guy, he might think too much about
the stakes, and they have a vested interest in him
winning that job. Because they said goodbye to Gino Smith,
they deliberately didn't want to pay him. At the end
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of the day, he's not getting whole lot more than
Sam Donald, but they ought to take the third round
pick and move forward and pay Donald. They need Donald
to pay offer. It's going to look like they wasted
that money. So I understand why McDonald said what he said.
I disagree that it's crazy. It's not crazy. Maybe it
would be crazy for McDonald to acknowledge those questions because
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that could be the first domino that leads to Sam
Donald tripping over his feet and not being the starting quarterback.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Well, I didn't know that you had that opinion.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
By the way, I said the same thing to Ian
Varnessen Crosstalk that I didn't think it was that crazy
a question for exactly the reasons that you just brought up.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
So great Mike, then I changed my mind.
Speaker 9 (11:44):
I mean, if you want to go that way, something
is desperately wrong with my brain.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
About what about this thing that we've talked about Mike
and Mike Florio with us courtesy is simply Seattle and
Mike Verrell. I think Dick wrote about it in the
paper today that you know, Vegas thinks the Seahawks are
taking a step back. They're over under on wins is
what seven and a half I think it is right now,
and Dick and I both feel like that number is
way too low.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Do you think this team takes a step back this year?
Speaker 9 (12:13):
Well, I mean, first of all, the Vegas betting odds
are over under is driven by who's betting on whom,
and if the betting public is ticking against the Seahawks,
and the forty nine ers have emerged as betting favorite
for the division champion, and there's a way that things
fall together where the forty nine ers, who have a
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very easy schedule this year, if they get their guys
healthy and they can kind of get back to where
they were a couple of years ago, they could the
wire to wire bests in division. They could be the
number one seed in the NFC. I think the Seahawks
are just kind of an unknown quantity at this point,
mainly on offense. Defensively, they got the chance to be
pretty good. But if you don't have it going offensively,
who knows, and there's risks there. Deliberate calculated risk and
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pivoting from Geno Smith to Sam Darnold, deliberate calculator risk
in trading DK Metcalf and backfilling the position with Cooper Cupp,
who may or may not have his best days in
the rearview mirror. I mean, this is a hell of
a bet that was made by the Rams and the Seahawks.
The Rams are betting the Cooper Cup's done. The Seahawks are.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
Betting that he is.
Speaker 9 (13:14):
And I mean, how at the end of the day,
the Rams didn't go younger and cheaper than Cup, they.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
Went older and more expensive.
Speaker 9 (13:20):
That's their view of where Cooper Cupp currently is. So
that's part of the roll of the dice. There are
multiple roles of the dice that Seahawks are making, and
we see it every year. For some teams, they hit
seven seven seven. If seven is good, sometimes it's good,
sometimes it's not, but it's good.
Speaker 8 (13:32):
It's good, it's good. They win, they win, they.
Speaker 9 (13:34):
Win, and the next thing, you know, they're good enough
to make it for the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (13:36):
And it plays out.
Speaker 9 (13:37):
One week at a time and nobody knows what's going
to happen. Injuries are a factor, but there's a lot
of variables here that could skew one way or the other.
For the Seahawks, I could see them being bad. I
could see them being competitive.
Speaker 8 (13:50):
And that's the thing about.
Speaker 9 (13:51):
Two hundred and seventy two regular season games, barring ties,
there's gonna be a winner, there's gonna be a loser,
and there's gonna be good teams and there's gonna be
bad teams. And that's what makes it hard to do
preseason power rankings because the fans of the teams that
are picked to be logans indignant. But it's like, folks,
we know it happens every year. There's gonna be bad teams.
Speaker 8 (14:10):
That's the way it goes.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I just think when you have a defense that's this solid,
I mean, Devin Witherspoon came out yesterday says we're chasing
to be the number one defense in the league, and
I don't think that's necessarily preposterous.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
I mean, Hughes done a big breakdown for if your.
Speaker 9 (14:23):
Offense isn't any good, you can't have the best defense
in the league. If your offense isn't any good, if.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
You play conservative and you win games or lose games
seventeen to thirteen, then your defense is going to be
pretty good scoring wise.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
Oh, it all.
Speaker 9 (14:36):
Comes down to how good your offense is. If your
offense is a disaster, it's impossible to have a great defense.
But I'm not saying you have to have a hot,
flying offense. You just have a confident You need to
have a competent offense. You have a running game, and
you have running backs who can move the chains without
getting injured, and they still are looking for a guy
who can consistently stay healthy post Marshawn Lynch. I don't
know what it is that every running back that starts
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to develop that glow he could be the guy can't
stay healthy. And I know that injuries happen, and it's
a brutal sport and it takes more courage than you
know in their pinky than I have in my entire being.
But guys get injured playing running back, and the Seahawks
achilles heel has been since Marshawn Lynch.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
Can't find that.
Speaker 9 (15:17):
Guy who can just constantly pound and pound and move
the chain, and that would be a great compliment this year.
Kenneth Walker can play on a regular basis and play
well on a regular basis. That's an ingredient to have
kind of a grinded out, defense driven team that just
wins and wins and wins, and next thing you know,
they're in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Well, the Titans had the second best total defense in
football year ago and they won three games because their
offense was terrible.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I don't know how many pick sixes.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
They threw were fumbled for touchdowns they had, But we've
like the two thousand and they start of the ninety
two Seahawks right had that phenomenal defense and just couldn't
do anything on the offensive side of the ball. But
like Florio's with us again from Pro Football, Talk to
the NFL on NBC talk to us about this, this
conversation about small markets in the National Football League. Adam
(16:04):
Silver is going around the commissioner or the NBA MIC
and saying, Hey, nobody complains when it's Kansas City in
Green Bay or Kansas City in Buffalo in the AFC Championship.
But you guys, you're bitching about Oklahoma City in Indiana.
Why does that work in the NFL but not in
the NBA.
Speaker 9 (16:20):
Because the NFL has transcended market size. The Super Bowl
is the ultimate American sporting event. It draws in millions
upon millions. It draws in people who don't follow football
on a regular basis that New York LA big team,
big market, exciting team. Whatever, it doesn't apply.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
The Super Bowl is always the Super Bowl.
Speaker 9 (16:42):
It could be Jacksonville and Carolina in the Super Bowl
this year and it would still set a record for
the highest viewership ever. Because every year those teams that
become championship caliber they are forged through week after we
of playing games, winning games, they get that glow. You
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know what, Chris Mjy used to hate the Bengals uniforms. Well,
in twenty twenty one, they start winning and winning and winning.
All of a sudden, those uniforms look a lot better.
That team looks a lot better. So I think all
those factors in the NFL make it impervious to question
of how big the market is for the two teams
that end up in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Well for them, where the NBA cuts their nose off
to spite their face because they only show like seven
or eight teams every year on national TV all the
year long, then twenty four teams go completely obscured. Final
second with Mike Florio, what becomes of Stefan Diggs and
his contract after the physical that I don't believe we
know the results of, and his boat trip with the
(17:42):
pink substance he was seen with.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
Well this was I think jarring.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
Over the weekend on Scott Zolak, who's been working for
the Patriots radio network for years, said he's heard that
it's on the table to possibly cut Stefon Digg. I
got a contract, I poured through. There's a critical clause
in there about passing a physical before he's entitled the
signing bonus, about any injury to his knee that had
the torn ACL last year. If that happens, it invalidates
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future guarantees. And the Patriots won't say whether or not
he passed the physical. I heard from a GM earlier
who thinks the mere fact that he was on the
practice field, even if it was only individual drills, that
means he's passed that physical. I don't know why the
Patriots won't come out and say he's passed that physical,
but that physical is key, because that's their one escape
hatch if they decide this just isn't working with Stefon Diggs,
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and the doctor who works for us and would like
to continue working for us can be told in fairly
discreete terms, you'll fail him on that physical and we'll
just move on. But there are people throughout the NFL
right now who currently believe that, not throughout, but at
least one person who has been a GM for a
significant period of time believes that if he's on the
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field practicing, he had to have passed that physical.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Michael, great stuff. You hanging with us through difficult sort some.
Speaker 9 (19:02):
Rose hips and flavonoids and honey and rest your voice.
Your wife will be happy if you say nothing for
like five days at home.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I think the audience would love that as well.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
All Right, we'll talking awake, Buddy Sew all right, Mike
Florio with us. Uh this uh darnold versus meroe thing.
This question that was asked. We want to debate that
a little bit. Did you guys talk about that? Did
you next?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
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Speaker 1 (19:45):
All Right, I've been talld with my current voice situation
here by noted vocal expert Richard Alphame Jackson that I
should just talk like this.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
Yeah, and it's working.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
This sounds fine.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, here it Jimmy on first, it would be fifteenth
here on day three of the US Open.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
That's good. Twenty feet now there you go.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Then this happens, Oh, gross Jesus, you had to do
that on the air.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Well, come on, like, those are headphones that other people
besides you use my headphones.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
They have my name on that. I'm taking them home now,
I am. I'm sorry. What do you want from me?
Hit the mute button.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
That's what I want from you.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I want to express the situation I'm working on her,
and I want it to be authetic.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
If I don't pass that along, then nobody understands the predicament.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
That I'm I'm going to say, Arry, I'm gonna say
the same thing I just said ten seconds before we
took the air. If you gotta go, go, no, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
We had the conversation with Mike Florio last segment. The
question was asked about jaybon Milroe starting over Sam Darnold.
Here's what Mike Florio thinks about that topic.
Speaker 9 (20:57):
The question was is there any anario other than injury
that would prevent Sam Donald from being the Week one starter?
And Mike McDonald said, it's a crazy question. It's not
a crazy question when you consider what happened in twenty
twelve when Matt Flynn was the big free agent acquisition,
when Russell Wilson was the third round developmental quarterback the
team drafted when John Schneider was still the GM of
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the organization and on the field Barren Square. Russell Wilson
was the better option. People said, Oh, Pete Carroll was
so brave, he goes Russellilson. No, the brave slash dumb
move would have been to go with Matt Flynn because
everybody knew Russell Wilson was better. Why are we slamming
the door on the possibility that either Drew Locker Jalen
Morroll could be better than Sam Donald.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
Donald had no.
Speaker 9 (21:43):
Real competition last year in Minnesota. The alternatives were Nick
Mullins and Brett Rippon. He was the starter, wired a wire.
He had some rough stretches where he didn't have to
worry about getting benched if he continued for our receptions
like he did in Jacksonville, because they had Nick Mullins
and Brett Rippon as the altar. So I think Mike
McDonald said what he needed to say. Because they know
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they don't want to put too much pressure on Sam Donald.
They don't want him to think that if he makes
a mistake that could lead to another mistake that could
lead to the mistake that gets him benched all because
of this week eighteam. Look at what happened to him
against the Lions, biggest game of his life, and he
got the yips. He miss passes, he made bad decisions.
Vikings could have won that game. Vikings could have been
(22:26):
up early in that game. Two opportunities in the red zone,
no points because Donald was missing guys who were open.
So I think they're very sensitive to the perception from
Donald's perspective that if he's not the guy, he might
think too much about the stakes. And they also have
a vested interest in him winning that job because they
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said goodbye to Gino Smith. They deliberately didn't want to
pay him. At the end of the day, he's not
getting a whole lot more than Sam Donald, but they
ought to take the third round pick and move forward
and pay Donald. They need Donald to pay off. It's
going to look like they way that money. So I
understand why McDonald said what he said. I disagree that
it's crazy. It's not crazy. Maybe it would be crazy
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for McDonald to acknowledge those questions because that could be
the first domino that leads to Sam Donald tripping over
his feet and not being the starting quarterback.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Well, I agree with a lot of what Mike said there, Dick,
and I'll tell you what I think he's right about
the reasoning behind him being so adamant that we want
Sam Donald to know that he's our guy, right, we
want him to know that we have.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
His back a thousand percent.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
But the idea that there's no part of Mike McDonald whatsoever,
that it's curious to see what Jalen Milroe can bring
to the table and that that might be enough to
force somebody's hand. I think it's a very small percentage.
Maybe it's five percent, maybe it's six percent. But don't
forget this is the same guy that said Geno's our
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starting quarterback and then traded him two weeks later. Okay,
So you if we believe in this business that we
always get the truth and the entire story when these
guys open their pie holes, you're naive. And I'm not
saying you believe that because we just had a situation
three months ago where he was asked about he was adamant, adamant,
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I don't know where this is coming from. Remember that
I have no idea where this is coming from. Geno's
our guy. Oh By the way Geno Goodlock in Vegas. Okay,
So do I think it's gonna happen?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Can I paint a scenario and it might take me
a couple of moves to get there. I'll admit that
where Jalon Milroe ends up beating him out, Yeah, I
could do that for you if you want to go
down that road.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
I can't, and I'm I'm the captain of the of
the President you Are fan club. Jalen Milroe is nowhere
near close to Russell Wilson in accuracy. When Russell Wilson
was in his first training camp in the NFL, you
cannot compare Jalen Milroe.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
And Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson was.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
A much more NFL starting quarterback ready passer when he
was coming out of college than Jalen Milroe is now.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Noubt.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
That's not to say Jalen Milroe can't have the same
type of career that just than Russe Wilson as because
Jalen Milroe's got a lot of stuff that Russell Wilson
didn't like, just a freakishly athletic body.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
But it's gonna take time for Jalen Milroe.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
So that's the reason that Russell Wilson got the job
is because he was a more accurate passer.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Than Matt Finn. Jalen Milroe is nowhere.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Close to as accurate a passer as Sam Darnold is
right now, Sam Donald was a top ten in the
MVP last year, and that's after falling from what everybody
thought was going to be like third or fourth to
tenth because of how he ended the season. I mean,
he was a top five guy most of the year.
So to say he was the starter by default, which
was what Mike's mentioned, it's accurate that he was the
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starter by default to begin the season. He was not
the starter by default when he was a top five
MVP candidate for three months.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Well, I like to see what Milroe looks like when
he gets here and he's playing in games.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I obviously agree with you. You know my thoughts on
his accuracy.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I mean, heck, I told it to the guy's face
for crying out loud, So obviously I.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Agree with you on that. But don't forget that Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Everything you're saying now about Russell Wilson, we didn't know
that until he started playing in September or excuse me,
August of twenty twelve. We had no idea. There was
nobody in this city, not one person in June of
twenty twelve, who thought Russell Wilson would beat out Matt Kurrat.
Not one person, Okay, and then he goes and lights
the world on fire. Was at the Chief game out
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there at Aarrawhead Stadium, I think it was Kansas City
in the preseason. I remember where I was. I was
over at heck Ed covering basketball. Is like, Wow, what
the hell's going on with this guy? There's something going
on here. So I just think it's up to Jaln Milroe.
I mean, Drew Lock's done nothing, right, you know what's
Drew Locke done to not get surpassed by Jaln Milroe
if he can earn it as the number two quarterback
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of the Seahawks. So I just think in the end,
I think all these guys, this is a little bit
of a different vibe than what we had with Pete
Carroll because Pete Carroll will tell you everything's open for competition,
right Mike mc donald' shutting that down right away.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Well, everything was open for competition, except when it wasn't
when Gino Smith was battling Drew Lockes starting quese.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
That's true. Well, then Drew Locke got COVID, never got
a shop.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
But for the most part, you're right, all right, three
forty a little fun with audio next ninety three to
three kjrff.
Speaker 10 (27:24):
It's now time for someday in Digg's Fun with Audio,
Jimmy G.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Pawn starred Jimmy mister garoppolo.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
Now let's have some fun with audio.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I'm already hearing from people in the yellstening audience, guys
that my performance today is up there with the Jordan
flu game and the oh Willis Reed performance for the
Knicks in the NBA finals in the early seventies.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
So well, what.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Separates you from from Jordan and from Willis Reed is
you've done it two days in a row.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Those those hacks, right and do it two days? Well,
they did it for one game.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
You asked Jordan to go out there for overtime with
the flu and see what happens.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Baby, all right, he's got nothing on me.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
So we're fighting through this on the air, hanging out
till five o'clock tonight. We got Game one Stanley Cup Finals.
Cam Moon is the radio voice of the Oilers. Here
what joined us? Next segment at four o'clock, but right
now though a little fun with audio slash.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Hey did you hear that? Hey, Dick, did you happen
to hear that? What's that? Dick?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
We start in the NBA. After firing Tom Thibodeau, the
next simply released the.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Statements about the move well on ESPN today, Steven A
ripping next president Leon Rose and owner James Dolan for
their lack of accountability.
Speaker 11 (28:33):
With the media, and, to be quite honest with you,
I think we all, as New Yorker should find Leon
Rose's statement offensive. Get the hell in front of a
microphone and a camera and answer questions. Stop being a coward,
because that's how he's acting. I'm not calling him that
as a man who as a person. I'm saying that's
how he's been acting as president of the New York Knicks.
When it comes to communicating with the media and articulating
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the decisions that you make and why they.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
Are being made.
Speaker 11 (28:57):
Could you have the decency to stand before to meet
and answer the questions, answer the stand before the growing
public and answer the question that statement is as weak
as it gets. It emanates from a James Dole and
run organization who doesn't want to communicate with the media himself,
who never wants to answer any questions, and they get
away with it because they don't have to answer to
anybody because they know that Nick fans are still going
(29:18):
to show up at madisonsqua aguaruded patronizing their product and
their brand and doing everything that they can to make
sure that they support the team.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Well, he makes a lot of sense because what's gonna
happen next. Let's just play the what's gonna happen in
the next three weeks. Mike Malone or somebody else is
gonna get hired to be the head coach the New
York next. So they're going to hold a press conference
and guess what the media is gonna want.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
To talk about.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Not Mike Malone, right, They're gonna want to ask And
then Leon Rose is gonna sit up there and say,
this is this is Mike's day.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
I want I want questions about.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Mike teams Wan.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
They won't let him get away with that. New York
media will not let him get away with that.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
But that's what's gonna happen, it's gonna try for try.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I think he's one hundred percent right about the lack
of accountability. And we've seen it in Seattle with the
guy that owns the baseball team a million times, where
you make a move or something happens and you're running hide,
or if you do talk, you talk to a very
team friendly media outlet that will throw you a bunch
of softballs.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
So I'm with them one thousand percent.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I think it's chicken crap that those guys did not
face the media after firing this guy. You realize that
James Dolan's father's company bought the Knicks in nineteen ninety four.
They've had consecutive fifty win seasons twice. One of them
was that next year after they bought the franchise.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
And that's how terrible they've been.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
And a fifty win season nothing, let's think about that. Yeah,
that's only nine games better. That's winning nine more games
than being a five hundred team, right, I mean, it's
not like fifty is elite.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Sixty is elite in the NBA, not fifty.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
All right, may Dick, did you happen to hear that?
What's that? Dick on Bill Simmons podcast this week. He
responded to any one in the media who says the
Thunder are about to win their second championship in franchise.
Speaker 12 (30:59):
History, and then OKC has never won And if you
give them, give them the Sonics title and say that
was their last title, I have two middle fingers for you,
because that wasn't their title, just like the foot just
like the five Minneapolis titles, do not belong to the
Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
That's both two.
Speaker 12 (31:17):
The Sonics existed, they won the title, and it does
not belong to Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
See you said, well, look, I mean none of us
are going to debate that, obviously. I just think it's
wild that people continue to do this. You know, we
talked to Jerry Brewer about this yesterday. Why not just
start the history when the team moves to a new
city with that date. You know, you tell people that
the Oklahoma City Thunder about to win their second title. Okay,
(31:42):
then tell me how that first championship was perceived back
at the day in Oklahoma. Yeah, nobody cared because it
was in Seattle.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
Was there no parade in Oklahoma? Saidy in nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Is it so hard to just start the history on
the day they moved to a new town. Nobody cares
technically for the business perconspective about what's happening on paper
or behind the scenes. All of these things are about
the fans and how they react to these accomplies.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
And then you don't have to worry about it when
a team comes back like they will to Seattle. Whose
history is Who's where's the champion? Where's the banners go? No,
it's it's just all a very very clean break.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
And guess who else should not want this to be
called the second championship?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Both under fans?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yes, absolutely, you'd want nothing to do with them if
you were in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
All right, hey, Dick, did you happen to hear that?
What's that? Dick? Let's go to number seven Jackson.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
During TNT's tennis coverage of the French Open, John McEnroe
and Brian Anderson had this back and forth about the
start time of the Stanley Cup final game today.
Speaker 13 (32:40):
I'm thinking time wise and I got a match tomorrow.
But that's Stanley Cup finals that start at seven eastern?
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Or is that the street game show?
Speaker 13 (32:48):
It's it's that's when you want to start watching, it's
seven eastern for the build up, it's the puck trucks win. No, no, no,
I'm sorry, we're gonna hold that information. N said a
lot of things you got to know before then, John,
you've been doing this a while.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I haven't got how much have I been complaining about this? Oh?
All the time? All the time. Finding the start time
for a finals game is the.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Biggest kept secret in media, Jackson, What time does the
game start tonight?
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I believe it's gonna be about twenty one after the top.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Vol and it's five o'clock on ESPN dot com.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
But the actual start time is five twenty one if
that's even accurate.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
You got to hear the two anthems.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Basically, the answer I've gotten is it's, you know, five
minutes pleasure minus off of five p fifteen. But but
based on the time it started last year, by twenty one.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Well, here's the thing. I get it.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
They pay a lot of money for these rights. They
want you to watch as long as you can. They
want you to tune in for the pregame show. But
the idea that a fan who's getting off work and
getting it as much work as he possibly can before
he races home. Yes, to watch this game cannot be
told by anybody what time tip off is or what
(34:05):
time the puck drops again.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
It's like it's like a South North Korean secret.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
Well, I mean, I think ideal, ideally.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Ten to fifteen minute pregame show, right, you can get
everything you need to get in. You can get all
the pomping circumstance and hype in in a ten minute.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Well, they gotta sell. They gotta sell the spots.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
It's all about the commercial inventory, right, That's why they
do it for an hour, because they want to sell commercials.
What do you think we do a four hour pregame
show for you, dub in Portland State?
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Are you kidding me? To sell commercials? We got time
for one more Jackson or no?
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:36):
All right, you pick one three, four, six, eight? What
do you want?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Leo eight the one that you just said you got?
Rick Carlisle got it?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
You got it? Hey, Dick Man, I sound terrible, don't I? Hey, Dick,
did you happen to hear that?
Speaker 6 (34:48):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Dick?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Rick Carlisle former Sonic radio color commentator, by the way,
with Kevin Collaboro, who will join us tomorrow. On the
radio show, was asked about Tom Tibodeau getting fire by
the Knicks after back to back fifty win seasons.
Speaker 14 (35:04):
Here's what he said, what happened yesterday and when I
when I first saw it, it came over one of
the you know, I thought it was one of those
fake AI things. You know that the way that's the
way possible, you know, And I know how the players
feel about him too, and so.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Has not much else to say. I mean, teams and ownership.
Speaker 13 (35:30):
Can can make these decisions unilaterally and then and it's.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Their right to do that. So you remember, he's got
some personal experience with this. Carlisle does. Remember the Pistons
fired him after he won fifty games, and they hired
Larry Brown and they won the NBA title.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
So a lot of this in New York, I think
kind of depends on how they respond to it. If
they hire the right guy and they win and they
make the NBA Finals. But if they don't and they
fall apart, then all the criticism is well deserve you.
You At this point a few months ago, it really
feels like NBA teams jump off the wagon quickly from
these coaches man, Well.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
They do, because I don't think you know when it
comes in the how important a coach is. I mean,
a coach of a football team is massively more important
than a coach of a baseball a basketball team, right,
And then I would say a coach with a basketball
team is more important than a coach of a baseball
team or a manager of a baseball team. But it's
all about the Jimmy's and Joe's on the basketball floor, right.
You got to put them together. It's not coaching, isn't
(36:27):
isn't nothing. We saw Phil Jackson take over a Doug
Collins team that couldn't win a title and couldn't get
past the Eastern Conference, and Phil was able to bring
them all together. We've seen that. We've seen him do
it in LA when Del Harris was there. Del Harris
couldn't put it together. Phil Jackson was able. So there
are elite coaches in the NBA that Popovich, that can
put it all together. But for the most part, right,
(36:49):
you're gonna be within four or five games of what
you should be because of your talent.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Let's I gotta break Cam Moon, who is the radio
voice of the Edmonton Oilers, we'll see if he stands
a word I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
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