June 9, 2025 • 25 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Hugh Millen about new rules about paying college athletes, cheating the system, and new Seahawks coaches, then listen and react to the first press conference for new Kraken coach Lane Lambert.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
KJRFM. All right here he is a little more and
four with our friend before Seahawk Midicamp starts tomorrow. It's
our buddy, Huey Millen with his twice weekly visit on
the radio station.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hi, Hugh, how are you man? What's happening? Boys?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Not much?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good? Good good?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
So hey before we get into Seahawk talk for the
mini camp starting tomorrow. I think it was just as
we were getting off the air right on Friday, or
maybe late Friday night, the house settlement with the NCAA
was announced, paving the way for players to be paid
now by schools directly. Schools I think post June thirtieth
can start spending up to twenty point five million dollars
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a year on their athletes. They'll all have like internal
you know, collectives that will go out and get players
endorsements so players can make more money. On top of that,
there was an enforcement organization that was formed today called
the College Sports Commission to enforce all the rules around
this stuff. But new day and age in college sports. Man,
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if fully you were born forty years later a gazillionaire.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I think a lot of former players are feeling that way.
But look, I understand the topic is polarizing. For some fans,
they just say, hey, you're getting a college scholarship. That
seems sufficient, shut up and play. And there's others that
look at it and say, you've got an entity that
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is approaching you know, nine, ten, twelve billion dollars and
the players are not getting any part of that. And
so I get it that it's polarized. I think one
very interesting facet is that all of this erah arose
from the Alston versus the NCAA suit in twenty twenty one,
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and that was not challenging the overall compensation model, meaning
it was not talking about scholarships and the revenue share
and the really substantive financial part. It was just talking
about education rely compensation computers or or musical instruments for music,
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I mean, or internships. It was a it was a
mere fraction of a fraction of the financial impact of
the NCAA. But in in that, in that loss by
the NCAA at the lower courts, the it wasn't. It
wasn't that Alston pushed it to the appellate court.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
It was the NCAA.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
They took the appellate court, they lost again and they said, well,
let's take it to the Supreme Court. Well, in that
they lost nine to nothing. By the way, so very
poor uh uh legal advice from the nca But here's
the important part of that. If you look at how
the Supreme Court had ever looked at the college football
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and the college basketball model, we'll just call it that,
all right. What what had always been argued by the
NCAA is that we have the amateurism model. You've got
to keep Red Bush on a scholarship of eighteen hundred
dollars a month, because if you pay him what he's worth,
then these players become professionals, and the fans don't want that.
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That was their argument. And the last time that the
Supreme Court had visited the NCAA compensation model was in
the nineteen eighty four case Oklahoma Border Regions of Oklahoma
against the NCAA, and basically what they were doing they
were suing about television restrictions because back then the NCAA said, Oklahoma,
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you only get to be on national TV one time
per year and one game per week, and everybody said, no,
we want to be on TV more. We like the revenue,
and so they took it to the Supreme Court again
nineteen eighty four and Oklahoma won seven to two. But
in the readings of that, this is the important part.
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In the readings of that, the writing, there's a legal
term called stray comments and dick to which is just
kind of these are comments that are are not central
to the case, and there's some question as to whether
or not there they have any influence on future cases.
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And dicta would be slightly more compelling in that regard
than streat comments. But the takeaway from that was that
the Supreme Court seemed to agree with the NCAA that
the the amateur model was part of the infrastructure, that
that it's an education related enterprise. Okay, what what the NCAA.
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The mistake the NCAA made in twenty twenty one when
they lost and they appealed it all the way to
the Supreme Court, they allowed the Supreme Court to interject.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Their in their findings. Hey.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
They essentially the Supreme Court said, hey, we know that
you're not suing for anything beyond just educated re education
related compensation. Uh, you know, computers in the light. But
as an aside, we want to tell you that the
system cannot survive anti trust scrutiny.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
So I don't know if you're following all this.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Basically, I'm gonna use volcano terms the everything the whole
amateur model laid dormant for for decades, for decades, and
nobody was really quite sure how it would play out
if you if you brought anti trust a law to it.
But what happened is the NCAA they opened the door.
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It was their greed of this little tiny education related
like we don't want to give you laptop computers, we
don't want to give you a violin if you're a
music like there was so desormant to hang on to
every dollar that they opened it up. And now the
Supreme Court made it very clear that no, no, no, no,
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forget this education nonsense. This is a business. The players
are labor and as such, all of what you're doing
and say when you were strict, Reggie Bush and all
everybody else, it's patently against anti trust law. And and
it was the n c a A that dug this up.
It wasn't the plaintiffs, It wasn't Alston who lost and
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then appeal. I don't know if you're following that. It's
just a greed of the NCAA.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
They in some countries they catch monkeys. They put a
hole in a coconut, put the food down in. The
monkey comes along and he and he and he grabs
the food and he's so intent on keeping the food
he won't pull his hand out.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Because now with this the Lord, we've had volcanos.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
We've gone from volcanoes and let.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Me tell you, everything dormant and then it erupted and
they were greedy like monkeys.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Okay, jumped out of the volcano. That's what we've learned.
Like that thing like that. Yeah, it's it's well.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Hugh John John Wilner wrote today he says cheating's back
on the table in college sports. Do you agree with that?
I would say, well, the last three years we haven't
had any rules, so there hasn't any cheating because everything
was legal based us. Now there's rules. So let me rephrase,
will cheating be more rampant or less rampant than it
was when we actually had n Cuba rules?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Oh? I think it'll be less rampant.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Okay, because because the the value to the players. I'm
going back to Reggie Bush because he's a he famously
you know, uh uh sought to to UH to have compensation,
to derive compensation from his value. Back then, the the
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fraction of his value was far less. Now, when you
have n I L and you have the the college
is actually pain from revenue derived from tickets and media
rights like they have to share. The NFL is up
around forty nine to fifty percent. But you're gonna have
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the coach players, you know, you know, maybe twenty percent
that the universe have to share. Universities have to share.
So I would say the fact that nil is legal
and that compensation from the university of revenues is legal,
I would say now players like Reggie Bush are a
much closer UH to their actual value.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So yeah, I think, I think, I think cheating is
gonna go down, But.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
That's not That's not the question though, Dick or Due.
The question is will cheating be on the upswing?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And I think it will be.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I don't think a versus where it is right now
because there is no cheating the hope.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
That's what Water's point was that right now there's no
need to cheat because there are no rules. There's gonna
be way less cheating than there was thirty years ago
or ten years ago, but I think more cheating than
there was six months ago, because now you are bringing
rules back, and there are rules that can be broken.
And it's not just about the revenue sharing you. It's
about the NIL collectives that will not be run in house.
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I mean, how many guys, how many gals will be
paid to watch Grascrow with these new NIL deals like
they were when you played forty years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Uh oh, indeed, maybe I misinterpreted Dick's question. Let's just
say this, before the NIL and before Austin, let's go
back ten years ago. Let's let's just say that the
cheating was well, we'll say a baseline of one hundred.
That doesn't mean you can't be more than a hundred.
You can be at five hundred. But let's just say
that what it was ten years years ago was a hundred.
And let's say that in the NIL era. I'm not
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gonna say zero, but let's say it dropped of five
or ten. I don't think that it's going back up
to one hundred. I think it's it's gonna go maybe
to fifty or eighty or something like that. But it's
just nonsensical to me to say that it's gonna you're
gonna have as much cheating now as you did ten
years ago, because, as I said, the players are reaching
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a higher percentage of their value through legal means, where
that means the gap between their value and what they're
being compensated is far less. So I think just just
by way of I don't know, just by common sense,
you know, I would say that you're going to see
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less now. You'll see more than there was three or
four years ago, yes, but less than ten.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
How about that sounds good?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
You want to read a quote from the paper the
other day about Mike McDonald when he was doing OTAs
and said quote, Mike McDonald was ticked, ticked his seahawks
were too intense in this fifth no pads, no contact
practice of OTAs, the youngest NFL coach stopped the scrimmage
and scolded both the offense and the defense to stay
in learning mode rather than intensely competing. I got to
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kind of a chuckle out of that, because I, in
no way, shape or form could I think of our
old coach doing that. But do you have do you
have an issue with the new coach being ticked off
because they were too intensely competing at OTAs well.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Let's understand what's driving that. That's all the collective bargaining agreement.
And you know, the players are able to extract concessions
from the NFL in what's called wages hours in terms
of employment. That obviously is very broad. And so the
players are saying, hey, we want basically half the revenue,
and we want to practice less and we want to
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have restrictions on how intense the practice can be. So
and then the the NFL agrees to that, the Players
Association agrees to that, and so there's a standard. And yes,
there is a policing agency, and that has to do
with if the NFL catches word, they'll request that the
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practice tape is sent to the league offices in New York.
They'll review the tape and register either fines in the
case sometimes takeaway draft picks. So it's not that Mike
McDonald wants is Seahawks less competitive. He just wants to
be in compliance with the collectively bargained rule.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Right, yeah, right, Well, Hugh Mellin's with us for a
few more minutes. No more volcano and monkey talk on
the rad We might get you maybe on Friday, with
you a little more. Hey, how much time do you
want to see devoted this week to the number two
quarterback position. I mean, obviously Sam Donald is a starter.
He's got a new offensive system, he's got new teammates,
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he's got a new coordinator. I mean, I know he
was with Clinton when he was in San Francisco, but
new to Seattle, and he needs as much time in
this system as he can get. But do you want
to see Jalen Milroe gets some run this week, either
with the ones or really kind of go after that
number two job?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
You think, well, I think that Jalen Milroe will get reps,
and I don't think it necessarily has to be with
the number ones. Just to understand this, for every rep
that Sam Donald doesn't take, then he is incrementally less
prepared going into season. You know, if you take a
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situation where you got a veteran quarterback who's been in
a system for a long time in his mid thirties,
you could say, hey, let's you know, let's say Matthew Stafford,
for example, he's been in that system for a long time,
thirty seven years old. If you had a rookie coming up,
let's say that Milroe had been drafted to the RAMS.
(13:29):
You might say, hey, let's give a longer look to Milroe, right,
because maybe we want to see if the package, you know,
a Taysom Hill type of package. But I think you've
got in Donald a guy that's still relatively young in
his career and.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
With his experience compared.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
To certainly Stafford and others, and so each rep in
a new system obviously that Donald is in. I think
that's one less rep for Donald, So I'm not real
eager to see it.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Drew Lock's got to get a few reps.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Okay, if there's ten reps, I would give at least
six or seven to Donald to you know, maybe maybe
a couple. Maybe Drew Lock gets a couple and Milroe
gets one, and then the next period, maybe drew Lock
gets one and Milroe gets a couple. But I'd probably
sort it out that way. I think that Milroe is
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enough of a project. You kind of view this as
like an IR you know, just a red shirt year
where you know, just kind of watch and learn and
then give him more reps a year from now.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
How long will it take Kubiak to instill the offense?
And is the is the timeline much shorter, just because
you're starting quarterback had some of it at least is
familiar with it.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, I think that you've got in in Sam Darnald.
Remember now he played for the forty nine ers, and
there's this typical verbiage associated with that when when Clint
Kubiak was the passing game coordinator. In fact, they they
crossed over there. So so I think that the language
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is going to be mostly familiar for Darnald and that
certainly helps. Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Here mail that great stuff.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Man.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
We learned a lot about monkeys and volcanoes.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Can't wait till Friday, we'll talk.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
The whole system was dormant and then the NCAA's greed
allowed it to erupt. And we know how destructive volcanoes
can be. You know, it was Vesuvius and and I
don't I don't understand any other way to describe it.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
If you've just got given the kid the violin, none
of yes.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
You got it. Yeah, just lettlefe commercion, hey, Mikey.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Yeah, just let a little of that gas leak out
of the mountains so it doesn't blow up.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Right, yes, yeah, pressure out a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, you know, like an avalanche.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Right at a ski, Like, don't they shoot mortars into
the mountain on a ski to prevent an avalanche?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
You gotta have you gotta let a little steam off
on idiotics.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
We got too much the tanks man, you kind of
break the new coach of the krack and Lane Lambert
pres cofference.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Today we're gonna hear a little bit from him.
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how about the Kraken For the third time in five years,
going to have a brand new head coach, Lane Lambert
introduced today as the third coach in Krack and history.
If you're driving around wondering what does the new Kraken
coach sound like?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Here, you go ecstatic to be here.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Obviously it's a thrilling day for myself and my family
going through the process. When I came in here, I
knew within about the first three minutes that had conversations
that I wanted to be here. The organization is first
class all the way, the facilities, everything on down. I
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could see that right away, and I knew I wanted
to be here. And then we started talking about the
players and the team, and I was all in. I'm
looking forward to getting training camps started in September and
building our culture, Surrea and our identity right from day one.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Lane.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
First off, if we can get into philosophy and identity
a little bit here, how much of that from your
previous stops and experiences do you see carrying over here
for this team?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
A lot?
Speaker 6 (18:11):
You know, I mean, that's what experience does for you.
There's a formula win, and you know, the culture, the identity,
the standard that's set every day is the philosophy, and
you live by the standard, you know, both on and
off the ice, and you go through the process. As
long as you're doing the right things in the process,
the results take care of themselves. You know, I'm proud
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of the defensive abilities that my teams have had, But
in saying that, defense is about getting the puck back.
If you don't have the puck, you know you're in trouble.
So the faster you can get the puck back, the
more Structu're in to get the puck back, and then
it turns into a transition game. And transition is so
important in this league. So, yes, we'll be strong defensively,
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we'll be strong structurally, but we will also create offense
and will play fast. We'll be aggressive, we'll be at
the net in the offensive zone, will shoot pucks. So
these are things that you know, if you look at
the balance and you look at all your stressing offense
or you're stressing defense, there's both in there.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
He kind of looks to me, if you've seen a
picture of this guy, he looks like a guy that.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Knows somebody, who knows somebody.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, if you know what I'm talking about, you don't
want to cross that guy, right.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
No, No, he's got black hair and he's got the
you know, the eyes that are like looking through you.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
No, he's got connections, man, like with the underworld. I
don't know, man, you know he los people.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Man.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
But Lei Lambert introduced today is the new coach of
the Crack And obviously I don't know really much about
the guy at all.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
He's sixty years old.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
He was fired as the head coach of his one
and only job as a head coach with the Islanders
whack excuse me back in the day twenty twenty three,
twenty four, So fired, you know, last year as the
coach of the Islander. He's been a part of the
NHL for a long time, Stelly Cup champion in Toronto,
I believe as an assistant played in the NHL. But
you know, getting a second shot here, so we'll see.
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But I mean anything, it's probably still about the roster
or the talent they've got versus whoever's on the bench.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
It is not going to matter if their streak continues
for five consecutive years without one player in the top
seventy in points, it's just not gonna matter.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
He might be able to squeeze a playoff berth out
of him with nobody in the top seventy like they
did in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
But they're not going.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Anywhere if you can't I mean it's any sport, right,
any sport. If you can't give me a couple of
top twenty, top thirty players in the sport, you're not
gonna come close to a championship.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Look, this is the this is the fifth year for
the Craken, right, Yes, Okay, I mean they're looking to
obviously establish something here and get people on board and
get a foothold in Seattle. And they've done a pretty
damn good job. I mean so far, I think the
star of the hockey team has been the arena. Okay,
that that's been the star of.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
The the environment of the game.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
It's a winner league, yeah, but the arena, the environment
for the star, that can't continue. If these guys want
to be a consistent playoff team, they need to do
more than just sell Climate Pledge Arena as a great
spot to watch a hockey game. I think it was
kind of fun for the first couple of years, maybe
even fun for the first four years. Come out and
you know, experience the NHL be a part of this.
Come check out the new gym that is climate pledge arena.
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But this is now the third head coach in five
years that Ron Francis is hired, and the Kleague lights
are squarely on him thousand and they should be. I mean,
if this doesn't work with this guy and they struggle
again and they have to make another move, then I
would expect that his time is gonna run out purious,
and it should and he should expect that.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I mean, I know that the I don't know much
about hockey free agency, but I know that the free
agent crop next year is way better than the free
agent crop is this year. But yes, that that still
doesn't mean that you can't dip into it, or at least,
you know, trade some assets to get to get an
opportunity to get a guy that can be a top
fifty score.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Well, how many draft picks that they have now in
the next like three or four years in the top
in the first two rounds, like a gazillion, right the
thunder they went out and they made moves like that
to get themselves in that situation to get better. So
it's just all on Ron Francis now. And I'm sure
that Lane Lambert is a good guy and a good coach.
But it's going to be about what he puts on
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the rosters. So we got that going on. We haven't
talked at all about the big news for Washington basketball.
Yesterday morning, around ten o'clock, the word began to leak
out that U dub has gotten a commitment from USC.
Guard Desmond Claude, who played obviously with Wesley Yanks. He
was there with Quincy and Will last year for Eric Musselman.
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He transferred to USC from Xavier. He scored sixteen points
a game for them last year. One of the more
sought after guys in the portal had offers from Gonzaga,
Duke Kentucky. That now puts up's transfer class at number
thirteen overall and thirtieth in the country, and they got
twelve new players. So talent is not a problem with
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the Husky basketball roster. Time may be a problem because
Danny Sprinkle's got an entirely new basketball team that in
about four months from now he's got to have playing
on the same page.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Yeah, I think that it's really important now and you're
seeing teams in the NCAA Tournament this nil era where
they've got guys that have been there for a while
you know, you can make the tournament with a brand
new team. It's gonna be tough to go far into
the tournament. I'll just take nake in the tournament right now.
Or Danny Sprinkle's done with this roster is nothing short
than miraculous. Yeah, I mean miraculous what he's done with
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this roster. John Rosstein, he's got the Huskies thirty. I
saw you retweet that thing today. I mean, he's got
the Huskies is the thirtieth best team in the nation now,
with the potential to be higher if they can actually
get these guys all together.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah. Well they got a whale. They got a whale
in California. Yeah, that's feeding the money and it's great,
you know. I mean, I think it's good for Danny
that he's got that and it's what he wanted. And again,
I think that there's really not many excuses left. I
do think it's gonna be difficult from I mean you're
a coach, it's gonna be hard from a coach's perspective.
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There's gonna be a lot of guys that are gonna
walk the basketball, and there's gonna be a lot of
guys that are gonna have to find a way to
play together quickly. That to me is the biggest challenge here,
and we may see this thing struggle for the first
month of the year, then hopefully by the time December
and January roll around that are on their way. I
mean that was the difference is that they just never
got going period last year at all. So I'm willing
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to give these guys a few weeks at the start
of the year just because they're so new to learn
how to play with each other. But come December, come January,
come big ten play you better, Dan Well get it going.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I'm wondering.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
I'm wondering if we would have had a roster like
this last year, had Great Osibor signed earlier, right, but
he was so late that people like, is he gonna
play for Washington's He's not gonna play for washington I
want to play with him. But they ended up going
other places, and so Danny was kind of, you know,
left with the second, you know, secondary and tertiary players
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from the portal because he couldn't get the premier guys
because he was waiting on OSA board. Now he's getting
the premier guys.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Well, I don't know if there's a Big ten team.
I know, there's not a Big ten team that's got
twelve new players besides U dub And there's no Big
ten team that's turned their roster over with talent the
way the Huskies have. I mean, this is pretty amazing
what they've been able to do in just a few
short months. All Right, we're gonna break textimonials and in
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three kJ arfm
KJRFM. All right here he is a little more and
four with our friend before Seahawk Midicamp starts tomorrow. It's
our buddy, Huey Millen with his twice weekly visit on
the radio station.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hi, Hugh, how are you man? What's happening? Boys?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Not much?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good? Good good?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
So hey before we get into Seahawk talk for the
mini camp starting tomorrow. I think it was just as
we were getting off the air right on Friday, or
maybe late Friday night, the house settlement with the NCAA
was announced, paving the way for players to be paid
now by schools directly. Schools I think post June thirtieth
can start spending up to twenty point five million dollars
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a year on their athletes. They'll all have like internal
you know, collectives that will go out and get players
endorsements so players can make more money. On top of that,
there was an enforcement organization that was formed today called
the College Sports Commission to enforce all the rules around
this stuff. But new day and age in college sports. Man,
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if fully you were born forty years later a gazillionaire.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I think a lot of former players are feeling that way.
But look, I understand the topic is polarizing. For some fans,
they just say, hey, you're getting a college scholarship. That
seems sufficient, shut up and play. And there's others that
look at it and say, you've got an entity that
(01:21):
is approaching you know, nine, ten, twelve billion dollars and
the players are not getting any part of that. And
so I get it that it's polarized. I think one
very interesting facet is that all of this erah arose
from the Alston versus the NCAA suit in twenty twenty one,
(01:44):
and that was not challenging the overall compensation model, meaning
it was not talking about scholarships and the revenue share
and the really substantive financial part. It was just talking
about education rely compensation computers or or musical instruments for music,
(02:05):
I mean, or internships. It was a it was a
mere fraction of a fraction of the financial impact of
the NCAA. But in in that, in that loss by
the NCAA at the lower courts, the it wasn't. It
wasn't that Alston pushed it to the appellate court.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
It was the NCAA.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
They took the appellate court, they lost again and they said, well,
let's take it to the Supreme Court. Well, in that
they lost nine to nothing. By the way, so very
poor uh uh legal advice from the nca But here's
the important part of that. If you look at how
the Supreme Court had ever looked at the college football
(02:50):
and the college basketball model, we'll just call it that,
all right. What what had always been argued by the
NCAA is that we have the amateurism model. You've got
to keep Red Bush on a scholarship of eighteen hundred
dollars a month, because if you pay him what he's worth,
then these players become professionals, and the fans don't want that.
(03:11):
That was their argument. And the last time that the
Supreme Court had visited the NCAA compensation model was in
the nineteen eighty four case Oklahoma Border Regions of Oklahoma
against the NCAA, and basically what they were doing they
were suing about television restrictions because back then the NCAA said, Oklahoma,
(03:32):
you only get to be on national TV one time
per year and one game per week, and everybody said, no,
we want to be on TV more. We like the revenue,
and so they took it to the Supreme Court again
nineteen eighty four and Oklahoma won seven to two. But
in the readings of that, this is the important part.
(03:53):
In the readings of that, the writing, there's a legal
term called stray comments and dick to which is just
kind of these are comments that are are not central
to the case, and there's some question as to whether
or not there they have any influence on future cases.
(04:16):
And dicta would be slightly more compelling in that regard
than streat comments. But the takeaway from that was that
the Supreme Court seemed to agree with the NCAA that
the the amateur model was part of the infrastructure, that
that it's an education related enterprise. Okay, what what the NCAA.
(04:42):
The mistake the NCAA made in twenty twenty one when
they lost and they appealed it all the way to
the Supreme Court, they allowed the Supreme Court to interject.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Their in their findings. Hey.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
They essentially the Supreme Court said, hey, we know that
you're not suing for anything beyond just educated re education
related compensation. Uh, you know, computers in the light. But
as an aside, we want to tell you that the
system cannot survive anti trust scrutiny.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
So I don't know if you're following all this.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Basically, I'm gonna use volcano terms the everything the whole
amateur model laid dormant for for decades, for decades, and
nobody was really quite sure how it would play out
if you if you brought anti trust a law to it.
But what happened is the NCAA they opened the door.
(05:43):
It was their greed of this little tiny education related
like we don't want to give you laptop computers, we
don't want to give you a violin if you're a
music like there was so desormant to hang on to
every dollar that they opened it up. And now the
Supreme Court made it very clear that no, no, no, no,
(06:04):
forget this education nonsense. This is a business. The players
are labor and as such, all of what you're doing
and say when you were strict, Reggie Bush and all
everybody else, it's patently against anti trust law. And and
it was the n c a A that dug this up.
It wasn't the plaintiffs, It wasn't Alston who lost and
(06:24):
then appeal. I don't know if you're following that. It's
just a greed of the NCAA.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
They in some countries they catch monkeys. They put a
hole in a coconut, put the food down in. The
monkey comes along and he and he and he grabs
the food and he's so intent on keeping the food
he won't pull his hand out.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Because now with this the Lord, we've had volcanos.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
We've gone from volcanoes and let.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Me tell you, everything dormant and then it erupted and
they were greedy like monkeys.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Okay, jumped out of the volcano. That's what we've learned.
Like that thing like that. Yeah, it's it's well.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Hugh John John Wilner wrote today he says cheating's back
on the table in college sports. Do you agree with that?
I would say, well, the last three years we haven't
had any rules, so there hasn't any cheating because everything
was legal based us. Now there's rules. So let me rephrase,
will cheating be more rampant or less rampant than it
was when we actually had n Cuba rules?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Oh? I think it'll be less rampant.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Okay, because because the the value to the players. I'm
going back to Reggie Bush because he's a he famously
you know, uh uh sought to to UH to have compensation,
to derive compensation from his value. Back then, the the
(07:46):
fraction of his value was far less. Now, when you
have n I L and you have the the college
is actually pain from revenue derived from tickets and media
rights like they have to share. The NFL is up
around forty nine to fifty percent. But you're gonna have
(08:08):
the coach players, you know, you know, maybe twenty percent
that the universe have to share. Universities have to share.
So I would say the fact that nil is legal
and that compensation from the university of revenues is legal,
I would say now players like Reggie Bush are a
much closer UH to their actual value.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So yeah, I think, I think, I think cheating is
gonna go down, But.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
That's not That's not the question though, Dick or Due.
The question is will cheating be on the upswing?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And I think it will be.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I don't think a versus where it is right now
because there is no cheating the hope.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
That's what Water's point was that right now there's no
need to cheat because there are no rules. There's gonna
be way less cheating than there was thirty years ago
or ten years ago, but I think more cheating than
there was six months ago, because now you are bringing
rules back, and there are rules that can be broken.
And it's not just about the revenue sharing you. It's
about the NIL collectives that will not be run in house.
(09:06):
I mean, how many guys, how many gals will be
paid to watch Grascrow with these new NIL deals like
they were when you played forty years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Uh oh, indeed, maybe I misinterpreted Dick's question. Let's just
say this, before the NIL and before Austin, let's go
back ten years ago. Let's let's just say that the
cheating was well, we'll say a baseline of one hundred.
That doesn't mean you can't be more than a hundred.
You can be at five hundred. But let's just say
that what it was ten years years ago was a hundred.
And let's say that in the NIL era. I'm not
(09:36):
gonna say zero, but let's say it dropped of five
or ten. I don't think that it's going back up
to one hundred. I think it's it's gonna go maybe
to fifty or eighty or something like that. But it's
just nonsensical to me to say that it's gonna you're
gonna have as much cheating now as you did ten
years ago, because, as I said, the players are reaching
(09:58):
a higher percentage of their value through legal means, where
that means the gap between their value and what they're
being compensated is far less. So I think just just
by way of I don't know, just by common sense,
you know, I would say that you're going to see
(10:21):
less now. You'll see more than there was three or
four years ago, yes, but less than ten.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
How about that sounds good?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
You want to read a quote from the paper the
other day about Mike McDonald when he was doing OTAs
and said quote, Mike McDonald was ticked, ticked his seahawks
were too intense in this fifth no pads, no contact
practice of OTAs, the youngest NFL coach stopped the scrimmage
and scolded both the offense and the defense to stay
in learning mode rather than intensely competing. I got to
(10:52):
kind of a chuckle out of that, because I, in
no way, shape or form could I think of our
old coach doing that. But do you have do you
have an issue with the new coach being ticked off
because they were too intensely competing at OTAs well.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Let's understand what's driving that. That's all the collective bargaining agreement.
And you know, the players are able to extract concessions
from the NFL in what's called wages hours in terms
of employment. That obviously is very broad. And so the
players are saying, hey, we want basically half the revenue,
and we want to practice less and we want to
(11:29):
have restrictions on how intense the practice can be. So
and then the the NFL agrees to that, the Players
Association agrees to that, and so there's a standard. And yes,
there is a policing agency, and that has to do
with if the NFL catches word, they'll request that the
(11:49):
practice tape is sent to the league offices in New York.
They'll review the tape and register either fines in the
case sometimes takeaway draft picks. So it's not that Mike
McDonald wants is Seahawks less competitive. He just wants to
be in compliance with the collectively bargained rule.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Right, yeah, right, Well, Hugh Mellin's with us for a
few more minutes. No more volcano and monkey talk on
the rad We might get you maybe on Friday, with
you a little more. Hey, how much time do you
want to see devoted this week to the number two
quarterback position. I mean, obviously Sam Donald is a starter.
He's got a new offensive system, he's got new teammates,
(12:32):
he's got a new coordinator. I mean, I know he
was with Clinton when he was in San Francisco, but
new to Seattle, and he needs as much time in
this system as he can get. But do you want
to see Jalen Milroe gets some run this week, either
with the ones or really kind of go after that
number two job?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
You think, well, I think that Jalen Milroe will get reps,
and I don't think it necessarily has to be with
the number ones. Just to understand this, for every rep
that Sam Donald doesn't take, then he is incrementally less
prepared going into season. You know, if you take a
(13:07):
situation where you got a veteran quarterback who's been in
a system for a long time in his mid thirties,
you could say, hey, let's you know, let's say Matthew Stafford,
for example, he's been in that system for a long time,
thirty seven years old. If you had a rookie coming up,
let's say that Milroe had been drafted to the RAMS.
(13:29):
You might say, hey, let's give a longer look to Milroe, right,
because maybe we want to see if the package, you know,
a Taysom Hill type of package. But I think you've
got in Donald a guy that's still relatively young in
his career and.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
With his experience compared.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
To certainly Stafford and others, and so each rep in
a new system obviously that Donald is in. I think
that's one less rep for Donald, So I'm not real
eager to see it.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Drew Lock's got to get a few reps.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Okay, if there's ten reps, I would give at least
six or seven to Donald to you know, maybe maybe
a couple. Maybe Drew Lock gets a couple and Milroe
gets one, and then the next period, maybe drew Lock
gets one and Milroe gets a couple. But I'd probably
sort it out that way. I think that Milroe is
(14:23):
enough of a project. You kind of view this as
like an IR you know, just a red shirt year
where you know, just kind of watch and learn and
then give him more reps a year from now.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
How long will it take Kubiak to instill the offense?
And is the is the timeline much shorter, just because
you're starting quarterback had some of it at least is
familiar with it.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, I think that you've got in in Sam Darnald.
Remember now he played for the forty nine ers, and
there's this typical verbiage associated with that when when Clint
Kubiak was the passing game coordinator. In fact, they they
crossed over there. So so I think that the language
(15:14):
is going to be mostly familiar for Darnald and that
certainly helps. Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Here mail that great stuff.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Man.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
We learned a lot about monkeys and volcanoes.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Can't wait till Friday, we'll talk.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
The whole system was dormant and then the NCAA's greed
allowed it to erupt. And we know how destructive volcanoes
can be. You know, it was Vesuvius and and I
don't I don't understand any other way to describe it.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
If you've just got given the kid the violin, none
of yes.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
You got it. Yeah, just lettlefe commercion, hey, Mikey.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Yeah, just let a little of that gas leak out
of the mountains so it doesn't blow up.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Right, yes, yeah, pressure out a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, you know, like an avalanche.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Right at a ski, Like, don't they shoot mortars into
the mountain on a ski to prevent an avalanche?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
You gotta have you gotta let a little steam off
on idiotics.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
We got too much the tanks man, you kind of
break the new coach of the krack and Lane Lambert
pres cofference.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Today we're gonna hear a little bit from him.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
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Game three NBA Finals on Wednesday, Mariners playing the night
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US Open for this weekend as well. At the Emerald Queen,
(17:04):
how about the Kraken For the third time in five years,
going to have a brand new head coach, Lane Lambert
introduced today as the third coach in Krack and history.
If you're driving around wondering what does the new Kraken
coach sound like?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Here, you go ecstatic to be here.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Obviously it's a thrilling day for myself and my family
going through the process. When I came in here, I
knew within about the first three minutes that had conversations
that I wanted to be here. The organization is first
class all the way, the facilities, everything on down. I
(17:42):
could see that right away, and I knew I wanted
to be here. And then we started talking about the
players and the team, and I was all in. I'm
looking forward to getting training camps started in September and
building our culture, Surrea and our identity right from day one.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Lane.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
First off, if we can get into philosophy and identity
a little bit here, how much of that from your
previous stops and experiences do you see carrying over here
for this team?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
A lot?
Speaker 6 (18:11):
You know, I mean, that's what experience does for you.
There's a formula win, and you know, the culture, the identity,
the standard that's set every day is the philosophy, and
you live by the standard, you know, both on and
off the ice, and you go through the process. As
long as you're doing the right things in the process,
the results take care of themselves. You know, I'm proud
(18:33):
of the defensive abilities that my teams have had, But
in saying that, defense is about getting the puck back.
If you don't have the puck, you know you're in trouble.
So the faster you can get the puck back, the
more Structu're in to get the puck back, and then
it turns into a transition game. And transition is so
important in this league. So, yes, we'll be strong defensively,
(18:54):
we'll be strong structurally, but we will also create offense
and will play fast. We'll be aggressive, we'll be at
the net in the offensive zone, will shoot pucks. So
these are things that you know, if you look at
the balance and you look at all your stressing offense
or you're stressing defense, there's both in there.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
He kind of looks to me, if you've seen a
picture of this guy, he looks like a guy that.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Knows somebody, who knows somebody.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, if you know what I'm talking about, you don't
want to cross that guy, right.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
No, No, he's got black hair and he's got the
you know, the eyes that are like looking through you.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
No, he's got connections, man, like with the underworld. I
don't know, man, you know he los people.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Man.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
But Lei Lambert introduced today is the new coach of
the Crack And obviously I don't know really much about
the guy at all.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
He's sixty years old.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
He was fired as the head coach of his one
and only job as a head coach with the Islanders
whack excuse me back in the day twenty twenty three,
twenty four, So fired, you know, last year as the
coach of the Islander. He's been a part of the
NHL for a long time, Stelly Cup champion in Toronto,
I believe as an assistant played in the NHL. But
you know, getting a second shot here, so we'll see.
(19:59):
But I mean anything, it's probably still about the roster
or the talent they've got versus whoever's on the bench.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
It is not going to matter if their streak continues
for five consecutive years without one player in the top
seventy in points, it's just not gonna matter.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
He might be able to squeeze a playoff berth out
of him with nobody in the top seventy like they
did in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
But they're not going.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Anywhere if you can't I mean it's any sport, right,
any sport. If you can't give me a couple of
top twenty, top thirty players in the sport, you're not
gonna come close to a championship.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Look, this is the this is the fifth year for
the Craken, right, Yes, Okay, I mean they're looking to
obviously establish something here and get people on board and
get a foothold in Seattle. And they've done a pretty
damn good job. I mean so far, I think the
star of the hockey team has been the arena. Okay,
that that's been the star of.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
The the environment of the game.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
It's a winner league, yeah, but the arena, the environment
for the star, that can't continue. If these guys want
to be a consistent playoff team, they need to do
more than just sell Climate Pledge Arena as a great
spot to watch a hockey game. I think it was
kind of fun for the first couple of years, maybe
even fun for the first four years. Come out and
you know, experience the NHL be a part of this.
Come check out the new gym that is climate pledge arena.
(21:18):
But this is now the third head coach in five
years that Ron Francis is hired, and the Kleague lights
are squarely on him thousand and they should be. I mean,
if this doesn't work with this guy and they struggle
again and they have to make another move, then I
would expect that his time is gonna run out purious,
and it should and he should expect that.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I mean, I know that the I don't know much
about hockey free agency, but I know that the free
agent crop next year is way better than the free
agent crop is this year. But yes, that that still
doesn't mean that you can't dip into it, or at least,
you know, trade some assets to get to get an
opportunity to get a guy that can be a top
fifty score.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Well, how many draft picks that they have now in
the next like three or four years in the top
in the first two rounds, like a gazillion, right the
thunder they went out and they made moves like that
to get themselves in that situation to get better. So
it's just all on Ron Francis now. And I'm sure
that Lane Lambert is a good guy and a good coach.
But it's going to be about what he puts on
(22:19):
the rosters. So we got that going on. We haven't
talked at all about the big news for Washington basketball.
Yesterday morning, around ten o'clock, the word began to leak
out that U dub has gotten a commitment from USC.
Guard Desmond Claude, who played obviously with Wesley Yanks. He
was there with Quincy and Will last year for Eric Musselman.
(22:40):
He transferred to USC from Xavier. He scored sixteen points
a game for them last year. One of the more
sought after guys in the portal had offers from Gonzaga,
Duke Kentucky. That now puts up's transfer class at number
thirteen overall and thirtieth in the country, and they got
twelve new players. So talent is not a problem with
(23:01):
the Husky basketball roster. Time may be a problem because
Danny Sprinkle's got an entirely new basketball team that in
about four months from now he's got to have playing
on the same page.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Yeah, I think that it's really important now and you're
seeing teams in the NCAA Tournament this nil era where
they've got guys that have been there for a while
you know, you can make the tournament with a brand
new team. It's gonna be tough to go far into
the tournament. I'll just take nake in the tournament right now.
Or Danny Sprinkle's done with this roster is nothing short
than miraculous. Yeah, I mean miraculous what he's done with
(23:35):
this roster. John Rosstein, he's got the Huskies thirty. I
saw you retweet that thing today. I mean, he's got
the Huskies is the thirtieth best team in the nation now,
with the potential to be higher if they can actually
get these guys all together.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah. Well they got a whale. They got a whale
in California. Yeah, that's feeding the money and it's great,
you know. I mean, I think it's good for Danny
that he's got that and it's what he wanted. And again,
I think that there's really not many excuses left. I
do think it's gonna be difficult from I mean you're
a coach, it's gonna be hard from a coach's perspective.
(24:07):
There's gonna be a lot of guys that are gonna
walk the basketball, and there's gonna be a lot of
guys that are gonna have to find a way to
play together quickly. That to me is the biggest challenge here,
and we may see this thing struggle for the first
month of the year, then hopefully by the time December
and January roll around that are on their way. I
mean that was the difference is that they just never
got going period last year at all. So I'm willing
(24:30):
to give these guys a few weeks at the start
of the year just because they're so new to learn
how to play with each other. But come December, come January,
come big ten play you better, Dan Well get it going.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I'm wondering.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
I'm wondering if we would have had a roster like
this last year, had Great Osibor signed earlier, right, but
he was so late that people like, is he gonna
play for Washington's He's not gonna play for washington I
want to play with him. But they ended up going
other places, and so Danny was kind of, you know,
left with the second, you know, secondary and tertiary players
(25:01):
from the portal because he couldn't get the premier guys
because he was waiting on OSA board. Now he's getting
the premier guys.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Well, I don't know if there's a Big ten team.
I know, there's not a Big ten team that's got
twelve new players besides U dub And there's no Big
ten team that's turned their roster over with talent the
way the Huskies have. I mean, this is pretty amazing
what they've been able to do in just a few
short months. All Right, we're gonna break textimonials and in
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