Softy & Dick 7-11 Hour 2: Jerry Brewer Joins, Jamal Adams Out

In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Jerry Brewer about a 7 inning no-hitter, Shedeur Sanders, the Mariners’ poor hitting, Jamal Adams leaving, and the potential return of the Sonics, then talk more about Adams heading to Tennessee.

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It's time for our weekly conversation withaward winning Washington Post columnist Jerry Brewer.
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two five two five five zero fivehundred. Now with Jerry Brewer. Here's
softy in this. This is howbad my memory is. We just said
something on the air about asking Jerryabout something. Yeah, it was Paul.
Okay, here you go. Yousure was that? I thought it
was something else. Last segment,somebody text in four one, four to
five one. What did I sayfive minutes ago? Jerry Brewer a courtesy

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at Northwest Handling Systems with us onthe air, JB, how are you
men? I'm good. I wasgonna say. We sounded all official,
and now you can't even remember whatyou're gonna have. Dude, I don't
even know who I am anymore.Man? Are you Jerry? By the
way, is that your name?It's ridiculous, dude. You turn fifty
and the whole thing just falls apart. But let me just start. But
there Paul Schemes. Today the Pirateswas pulled with a no hitter after seven

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innings. Where has the pride Jerryand throw it a no no gone?
My friend? It just doesn't matteranymore. And I think it's as much
about managers as it is about someof these pitchers. You know, I
know there are certain temperamental pitchers abouttheir pitch count. The Mariners have one

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who is very good, George Kirby, who doesn't want to overextend himselves.
But I would like to see MajorLeague Baseball implement some subtle rules that might
actually be a little bit dramatic interms of really really forcing forcing teams,
forcing managers and organizations to make theirpitchers pitch deeper. And I think there

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are some subtle things that you cando that may seem like a big deal
when we talk about it, butwould actually add a little bit of strategy
to the game. What are someof those things? You know? For
instance, if you're gonna pull apitcher at a certain point, it's an
automatic double switch, so you're youknow, that's one thing that I think

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could could be really interesting. Thebiggest problem, guys, I see is
that I think a lot of managersnow, instead of it being we want
our starter to work deep in thegame, it's more like, we just
want this guy to throw the hellout of the ball for as long as
he can, and then we're gonnalike run a parade of four or five

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bullpen guys if we have to.So I think forcing a double switch in
certain situations that helps. I alsothink in terms of managing the roster,
I think there should be a limiton even if you go back to a
twenty five man roster. It's probablynot gonna work with the Players Association,
but I would like to go backto eleven man pitching staff, which most

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teams are gonna be like, noway, no, how. But if
you talk to guys like a MaxScherzer, who's pitched a very long time
and is a guy who's always wantedto pitch a lot of innings and he
was very durable until he got superold, and he would be all for
like, hey, if I canthrow ninety eight miles an hour, I'd

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rather be a guy who throws ninetytwo ninety three pitches. The contact really
learns how to pitch in see theguys who just throw and strike people out.
Well, Jerry Brewer is with uson the show, and I,
by the way, I just rememberwhat it was I teased I would ask
you about it's the Shador Sanders thingbecause at Big twelve media day he said,
I know we are everybody's super Bowl, to which everybody, including me

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A lot of folks laughed at that, and then Dick brought up a good
point off the on the ear andsaid, look, these guys they talk
so much and they run their mouthsso much that everybody wants to beat them.
So maybe he does have a point. Because we talk this thing up,
we have now become everybody's super Bowl. Do you believe that? Uh?
No, I don't believe that.If they're everybody's super Bowl. There's

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there's eight teams that are claiming championshipsright now that should see uh so uh
they're one of these. I mean, we've gotten into this kind of like
Kardashianized sports in some way, andthat there's people that because of who your

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father is or because of the heightthat you can generate, you're you're so
much more prominent in the coverage thanyour actually ability. Says that you should
be and they are one of thoseteams until they prove otherwise. I mean,
I do think it's fascinating that aHall of Famer who's that's flamboyant as
Dion Sanders is coaching. Uh,but they need to shut their mouths.

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I mean, you know four andeight should have should have. I mean,
you really got to win now.And I start to wonder how invested
is Prime in this. I mean, his recruiting has just been a disaster.
And I understand high school recruiting isn'tthe same as what it used to
be. But one of the reasonsyou wanted Dion Sanders as your head coach

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is you felt like you were goingto get top five high school classes to
Colorado and that's not happening. Youknow, coaches for Iron left and right.
I thought that this year would bea winning year for Colorado. I
mean, we'll see. I startto think that all of this is just
an elaborate thing to get Shaduur draftedand want Shadeur's gone. Then he won't

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have the passion to do it,which would be an incredible letdown. Jerry
Brewer joining us. Jerry, I'vebeen kind of keeping a track statistically of
the Mariners over certain benchmarks of courseof the season. And Softie got me
started this on June fourth. Hewanted me to keep track of the era,
the OPS and the run differential andthe expected win percentage. And I've

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been doing it. We're still doinghe's been doing June and fourth. And
what's fascinating it is that they havethe exact same OPS now and almost the
exact same era now as they didon June fourth, and yet they went
thirty five and twenty seven prior tothat day and they've only gone sixteen and
sixteen since then, which stands atleast for me to believe the very five

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hundred baseball team that just lucked outeight more wins than losses in the first
sixty five games of the season.So if that's the case, should we
even invest three or four prospects totry to improve this baseball team at the
deadline? Yes? You should.I mean, I still I think that

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this team is better than they haveplayed the last thirty games. That said,
you know, that's that's one thirdof the season that they've been scuffling.
So there's some there's some credibility tohow they played particularly what concerns me
is that they're not hitting any better. At the weather's gotten better. It's
easier to hit at Team Obile rightnow. Obviously on the road it's easier

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to hit. And you just seeit in flashes. You know, one
day you win eight to three,the next day you're scuffling to eke out
a two to zero win. Youjust want to see some consistency. I
think that it's more than just thisseason, Dick. I think that you
have a potential superstar center fielder thatyou felt like you were getting the deal

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of the century when you gave himtwo hundred and ten million dollars after just
a small sample size of what hecould do with that complicated options that could
pay him up to four hundred andseventy million. You want Julio ry Reguez
to be a four hundred and seventymillion dollar player, and he's he's not

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anywhere near that because I think thatthere's just so little around, nothing in
front of him, there's nothing behindhim. Obviously we know how many pitches
he's chasing, how he swings likehe needs a five to one run homer
every time the guy is pressing.I think you need to try to get

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not better like a little bitter acool move. You need an aircraft carrier
if there is one available, right, and so if this is one of
those in which the Blue Jays arejust like, hey, there aren't very
many people on the market, We'regoing to try to see what we can
get for Black Guerrero Junior. Youvegot to be at the front of the
line. And if it takes fourhigh level prospects, three of them,

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like you know, among the toptwelve in your organization, one of your
top two people in your organization,so be it. I mean, Blackguerrel
Junior is twenty six, twenty sevenyears old, and I think that he's
the kind of hitter who could haveinfluenced the entire lineup, but specifically having
Julio hit in front of a guylike that would be a lot better for

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Ulea, No, no question aboutthat. Jerry Brewer is with us on
the radio show, but there's beena lot of talk too. I want
to get to a football topic ona second, about the approach the Mariners
have at the plate, and JimBoden was on with us right Dick theer
day and said, it's not JerryDepoto that has this idea that Scott Servis
needs to run the offense a certainway. It's the analytics department, to
which both of us said, wellhe hired those guys. I mean,

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everything falls under Jerry's umbrella. Dowe believe this is an organizational approach that
the manager and the president of Baseballops and the GM justin Hollander are all
on the same page with that thisis the way we're going to do this,
and it just so far is notproven to bear any fruit. Yeah,
until we learned something else. Imean, that's exactly what you have

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to assume. You got to putit on everybody. And that's pretty damning,
you know. I mean that thepower that Jerry has in this organization,
you know, like when he's makingsmart moves, you love it.
But right now, I think yousee some of the I think they try
to control too many things, andI think they're just too brainy sometimes and

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you have to just realize, likein sports, let a dog be a
dog's let's go to the Pete Carrollphilosophy of I don't care how you do
it, you be you, andall I want you to do is produce
and have some passion about the waythat you play. I think they're too
caught in their heads too much,and as an entire organization caught the bottom.

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You have to look at that becauseI don't think it's going to get
any better. And you're bringing inall these guys he should be at least
functional, and they come to Seattleand they're below average. You got to
take a look at yourself. Imean that the Polanco's and all of these
guys Garber like, these are peoplelike I didn't think they were going to

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make just a substantial difference, butI thought they were going to be better
than what they had and they haven'tbeen. And so you just can't look
at them and say, oh,man, they're having a terrible year.
You got to look at yourself andsay, what is it about us that
every time we bring someone in theyunderperformed? Well, that's my whole worry.
And I don't disagree with you aboutmaking a trade for Guerrero. I

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mean, he would be one ofone on my list as well. But
what are the odds that vlad Guerrerocomes here to this system, in this
park and all of a sudden becomesa seven to twenty ops guy. Well,
I mean a seven to twenty oltsguy, A lot better what you
got right now, you know whatI mean, though, like significantly not
Vlad Guerrero. Yeah. I thinkthere are certain players that just have a

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star quality that they're gonna do whatthey're gonna do, and there's not a
lot you can do about that.I mean, there's a market difference between
Mitch Garver, Jorge Planco and VladGuerrero Junior. A guy who's hit forty
eight home runs in a season,a guy who's got a career ops above
eight twenty five. I believe youknow someone that even though people are complaining

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that his homer numbers are down,he's still always going to be yearing and
year out. A guy who's overan eight hundred ops guy, He's got
an approach in a way of doingthings, and I don't think you can
really mess with Blag Guerrero being BlagGuerrero. If anything, I think he
would just be in net positive againfor the potential superstar that you have.

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He might be able to be someonewho can say, look, man,
I've had years where I've hit darntheir fifty home runs, and I've had
years where I haven't driven the ballthe way that I want to. Here's
how you be effective. And guesswhat you're Julio Rodriguez, get all of
these other guys out of your headand do you because what are they going
to do bench you? Like?They need stars. I say this all

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the time with Larry Stone and others, like, you can't add a bunch
of B minus guys and expect youroffense to b an A. If anything,
if you put a bunch of Bminus guys together, they actually might
wind up being a C. Likeyou need some variants here, and that's
what they have to look for.And if they're if they're gonna make a

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trade, it needs to be aCastillo like trade except for a hitter.
Otherwise, like these things at theMargins, you know that's gonna get everybody
fired. To be honest with you, I mean, I look at this
situation and I see a team thatfor four years has been a playoff caliber
team, and for the first threeyears they made it once and they fell

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short twice. If you fall shortagain, I think everybody's got to go.
And maybe that's not the way thatthe Mariners operate. That's probably not
the way John stant wants to go. But you got to be serious here,
like you every every decade there's awindow that opens the closes for you.

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In professional sports, you're in yourwindow. And so hey, look
if you fail, fail big,fail dramatically, that's okay. Like people
will laugh at you when you makeJamal Adams like deals. But the whole
point is to try to pursue somethingspecial. And you know, stop being
timid. If there's a deal tobe made. Robert Jr. Laguerrero Junior,

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some other great junior do it.Can you imagine Stanton calls the Poto,
just find me a junior. Idon't care who it is. I
want a junior. You're preacher ofthe choir, my friend, no doubt
hate Jerry one more from me.Jamal Adams sign with the Titans today.
What's his legacy in Seattle? Inyour opinion, it's about as bad as

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anyone you know. And from sixto fifteen I saw a lot of people
who who had terrible legacies in Seattle. I think Sean Figgins immediately comes to
mind with the man. And therewere plenty of people that you came and
you were somewhat excited about them.And I'm not sure anyone failed based on
his reputation coming in as much asJamal Adams did in the history of Seattle

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sports. It was incredibly sad tosee because I thought he was going to
be a good and impactful player.I think his ego is a problem.
I think the lack of creativity fromthe past coaching staff, which really symbolized
how Pete was on the cutting edgeat one point. But I think that
just as he turned over defensive coachingstaff, they lost some of the magic

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and some of the interplay there.And then of course injuries. I mean,
just the guy. The guy wentfrom someone who could throw his body
around and not get hurt to someonewho just you know, it seemed like
every time he put a finger onsomeone, he was out for five weeks.
Jerry, we had Chris Danael's onyesterday and he just wants to again

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hammered home how close this thing iswith the Sonics. What would you say
to the cynics out there that stilldon't believe the Sonics are coming back despite
all the evidence to the contrary.Well, I mean, sixteen years ago
we had our hearts broken, andI think for you know, a lot

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of people can be arrogant about howthey don't miss it. It didn't really
affect the city, like look atwe got hockey. The Seahawks wanna super
Bowl, like the Mariners are back. Sort of, We're fine, but
there's been a hole for people whoreally love basketball that it's been impossible to
fill it, you know, withany of the other good stuff that's going
on with other teams and other leagues. And I understand the cynicism, like

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until they announced the team is comingback, I think everyone should be guarded
in their optimism. I will say, though, that there's legitimate reason for
optimism, and I think that Seattle'sright there prominently in the mix. I
do have one concern. One marketconcerns me that's in the conversation, and

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that's Mexico City. I would hopethat it's Mexico City versus Vegas, versus
Mexico City versus Seattle. I thinkthat Seattle understanding the arena is done.
Understanding the majority ownership seems like it'sdone. The money if somewhat something when

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they vetit, I think they willbe very satisfied with the ownership group's pockets
and just the potential to make moneyin this market. I think they'll be
overwhelmed by just how much more profitablea major league sports franchise can be in
Seattle now as opposed to sixteen yearsago. All those things are there,
but again until it's done, andlike the process is going to suck for

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us guys because we feel ready togo. And I think this is a
twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eightseason debut, but there's a chance that
factors could play in where it couldbe one more year beyond that, and
I don't think. I think mostof us are hoping, like, can
you speed it up so that itcould be two years, but potentially it

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could be four years before they expand. I do think though Adam Silver,
if David Stern was a dictator bythe end, Adam Silver is a diplomat,
and Adam Silver wants to make money. And Adam Silver is very very
good at crossing, burning, burnbridges, and mending senses. So I

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think that he won't be I don'tthink he'll be a problem like David Stern
would. If David Stern was stillin charge, you could never if you
were still alive, you could neverever trust that this was close to a
done deal. I think it's alot closer with Adam Silver, Jerry Brewer,

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great stuff, love it. We'lltalk in a week. Enjoy the
weekend, my friend. Thank you, Ary. Alright, all right,
Jerry Brewer with us courtesy at NorthwestHandling Systems. Brett Boone gonna be with
us at five o'clock courtesy of VenueKings. Right here on ninety three three
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to Softie and Dick on your Homefor the Huskies and the Kraken Sports Radio
ninety three point three kjr FM.Hey, big thanks to our friend Jerry
Brewer for joining us on the airevery Thursday over the summer. Is that
right? Every Thursday through the offseason, courtesy of our friends at Northwest
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way, are four o'clock winner calledback? Eric Dunshvar called back, So
Jacksons it's Donnishvar. Donishvader called back. Jackson texted both of us while we

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were on the air. Jenson's jinxesaren't real, mother, Okay, let's
just stop there. Proved improved,So we're two for two. So five
o'clock tonight, and this is thefinal. This is the finale for now
for this current version of EQUC onThursday. I'm sure they'll bring it back
at some point, right, whatcan I just say? Nine o'clock and

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six pm tonight. Your last chanceis to win, So texting your first
and last name city you're from thefour nine, four or five one right
now, and then come back atfive o'clock here if your name is called.
If it is called, you gotfive minutes called back two eight six
ninety five ninety five, Grab yourhundred bucks. Jinxes aren't real? Then,
may I just say, oh man, there is no chance that the
five o'clock caller will not call back. No chance zero, Okay, I'm

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guaranteeing it. Wow, it's aone D. That's a reverse chance.
Yeah. Wait what you're working on? A reverse Yes, that's nobody does.
Can you turn that off? Bythe way, so's wrong with God?
And again twice in a row.No, what the thing we did
the other day about things that bugus about the other vers? That's number
one? We're off the inger?Do you unbelievable? It was with your
ring tones and your text tones.You know how you knew it wasn't off

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when I went That's how you knewit wasn't off. Why do you do
that? It's my daughter? Isthat okay? But no, not really?
I mean, is everything okay?Anything's okay? She's going, she's
dad. I'm leaving for the swimmeet. Now put it on a vibrant
just letting me know. Do younot know how to turn that thing off?
I do? Okay, I thoughtI hit it. What happened was
I probably I hit it and itand it vibrated to show that it's all

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I probably accidentally hit it twice.Yeah, yeah, that can happen.
What the hell are we talking aboutthat? I have no idea jins and
a reverse chinks. Yes, becauseI am the king of Jenxus. Right,
people will say Softie is the kingkiss of death. Whatever. I'm
guaranteeing you Oregon will win the NationalChampionship, which means they have no shot

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of doing it, none exactly executed. Well, I am the king of
reverse Jinxus. The Game of Michigan, guarantee of Michigan. Well, they
actually won, So let's go toTexas. Guarantee Texas will win this game
and they lose. So that's howyou do that, man. But I
want to go around the room andtalk about the question we asked Jerry about
Jamal Adams. What is Jamal's legacynow now that it's over in Seattle,

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and you know what, the Seahawkslooked to their credit and this is Pete
did this when he was here.They never closed the door on anything,
right, They kept every door openbecause you never know, right, you
never heard them slamming somebody in public, credit sizing somebody in public, who
knows what was going on? Behindthe scenes, obviously, but from a
public facing perspective, they did avery very good job of keeping every avenue

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open for them to get better,because you never know when you'll need to
tap it. So the Jamal Adamsthing, what they said publicly was not
a surprise to me. Do Ibelieve they had any intention of bringing this
guy back, No, I don'tnone whatsoever. But saying it publicly,
okay, if he wants to believethat is fine. But now that it's

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over, what is his legacy herein Seattle? How do we react to
the last four years? Very simplythe biggest bust in Seattle Seahawks' history.
Wow, considering what you gave upin draft picks and what you gave up
in money, making him the highestpaid safety in the NFL, Bigger than
Percy Harvin, bigger than Jimmy Graham, it's twice as big because you gave

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up two first round draft picks,okay, and you gave him a long
term contract, neither which you didwith Percy right right, Well, you
gave Percy a deal when he firstshowed up here though, right right,
But you didn't get make him thehighest paid receiver in the League. No,
you did not. You did not. But when he came here,
I thought it was a good move. I don't know what you thought about
it. When they went after JimmyGraham, I thought it was a good
move. Don't know what you thoughtabout it. When they went after Jamal

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Adams, I thought it was agood move. Don't know what you thought
about it. But I'm oh forthree on these deals the Hawks make.
Maybe the next time Jackson, speakingof Jinx's, they make a deal,
I should go on the air slamthe damn thing. And didn't all work
out. I mean, there werea number of people who did slam it
right away for the price, andthat's fair. People in New York did.
Oh by way, cousin Evan toldme, you're gonna regret this,
and I didn't listen. The thingfor me is, I have this kind

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of picture in my mind when Ithink of Jamal Adams and his tenure here.
I think of like a really nicerestaurant and the dumpster out back where
they're forced to throw away the foodthat they have, really expensive, great
food that like they just didn't usethat day, and it's just, boy,
what an absolute waste that just wentinto the complete trash bin. I

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just have this vision of a trashcan with all the things that could have
been, those draft picks that theSeahawks gave up, what could have been,
and ultimately it's just in a pileof trash in the dumpster out in
the back. That is what JamalAdams did to us. I love it,
and I wasn't. I remember howI felt. I wasn't trash.
I wasn't against it. I wasn'tagainst either the Jimmy Graham or the or

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the Jamal Adams. I do rememberthinking, WHOA, that's expensive. Like
when I saw the Max Hunger dealand all that and the first round draft,
was like, that's expensive. Andthe same thing with Jamal Adams.
I was like, that's expense.Hey, that's expensive. Be hey,
I hope he's really as good ashis accolades, second team All Pro or
whatever he was say he is.That's those were there was my thoughts.

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I wasn't against it, but Iwasn't like raving about it either, because
I didn't know enough about Jamal Adams. So speaking of your trash in the
trash, draft picks are trash?So is that as bad as garbage?
By the way, trash, Well, we're not. We're not talking about
a person, We're talking about thedeal. Yeah, so it's different,
right, by the way you readthat, Yeah, Jamal Adams, I'm

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not saying Jamal Adams is trash,although how he handled that wife of that
that was terrible. So with thetwenty third pick the Jets got from the
Seahawks in the twenty twenty one draft, uh, they took Christian Darisaw and
the Jets with the next year's picktook Garrett Wilson at number ten. Oh

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my god. All right, sothey had the number ten pick in the
draft. They could have had GarrettWilson. They could had Chris o'lave.
They could have had Kyle Hamilton.They could have had Tyler Smith. You're
not making this bet Tyler. Imean look, I mean, obviously who
knows what they would have done,But yeah, I mean we could also
say they could have had Travis Kelceyand they drafted Kristin Michael one spot ahead

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him. But a lot of peoplepassed on Travis kelce because the guy was
the second round draft pick. SoI just think this, I'm glad he's
gone. I'm i don't like notbeing able to root for every player on
my favorite football team. I thoughtthat Jamal Adams went from a bad player
who looked to me lazy and hesitanton the field, and maybe some of

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that was because of injury to aguy that I thought was a bum off
of it. I'm sorry. Ithought what he did to that guy's wife
was pathetic. It was inexperiensible.There's no part of me that wanted that
guy playing again for this football team, and I'm happy as hell the guy's
no longer here. Absolutely. Inyour story, you mentioned who you could
have gotten. I don't know.Did either one of you guys watch the

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first episode of the Netflix Receiver showNo No. I was reminded in that
episode is a Monros Saint Brown wasone of the one of the guys that
they feature. He went through thereceivers that were drafted ahead of him,
and one being d Eskridge ahead ofa mon Ross Saint Brown. Wow,
we could have had a Monross SaintBrown in the second round, so this
is instead we took a different receivernamed d Scridge. The gift that keeps

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on giving, baby, never mindthe good picks. The Seahawks made.
Let's just focus on the because itkind of fits the narrative right now,
but I would like to say goodbyeto jamal Ada. The final words to
you, don't let the door hityou in your bum ass man, see
you later, Good luck Titans.We'll get some texts and then boone at
five right here on ninety three threekJ RFM