July 29, 2024 • 28 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain talk about the Mariners trades so far before the deadline to add three starting level players and if it is enough, then look back at the conversation on Friday with Seahawks Offensive Coordinator Ryan Grubb.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Let's just go round the room and get the vibe.
We'll get the buzz here on the radio show. If
this is it, If Jerry Depoto announces tomorrow at twelve thirty,
what time is the deadline? Three o'clock or one o'clock
our time, so two thirty tomorrow comes out of his
cave and says he's all sweating, dishoveled, hasn't slept in
(00:22):
three days. We tried, but this is all we can do,
Diaz a Rose Arena Turner. Is it enough? Is it
enough to make a difference on this team that makes
you feel like, Okay, now they have some weapons that
give them a chance to really make the postseason and
maybe make a run when they get there.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Is it enough? I think it is enough to make
the postseason.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I feel much better about their chance of winning the
division now than I did five days ago. It is
not enough to make the World Series. It is not
enough to win the World Series. I think you need
a solid thumper bat in the middle of the lineup
to place everybody else where they need to go. And
I think that move is necessary if you truly want
(01:06):
to win a World Series this year.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Okay, Jackson, I kind of agree.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I think it's enough to even win a playoff series,
especially if Polongo can continue even just a little bit
of the pace he's on right now, if Roe Blaze
can continue to turn into a solid starting player, I
think this is enough to get you. It's also good
enough to get back in the good graces of fans.
I mean, we were all kind of saying, like this
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last stretch, that's a better question. By the way, Yeah,
I think I think this last stretch was like gosh,
come on, like really, this is it. Ye's gonna flame out,
But like making three deals that like listen, you can
say what you want about Justin Turner deal, but the
Arosarrainy deal, that's a major deal. The Ymi Garcia, we
saw what he can do. That's a major deal. And
then Turners about half of a major deal. They've really
(01:53):
I mean Justin Hollander when he was on with the
Chris Cofford and saying like we're gonna be in on,
We're gonna we're gonna go for it as much as
we can go for it. Like they're clearly doing the
absolute most they can to upgrade this team, and at
least for me, like I was a little bit off
the bandwagon, and I was really frustrated. I'm back on
by saying, you guys clearly did a bunch of work.
You found three deals, and and they're paying money. If
(02:17):
this is they're spending a six million on Justin Turners
the rest.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Of the year.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
If you, if you, if this is what still? Yeah, yeah, still,
if this is what you can do, and this is
what you can do, let's.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Go all right. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I mean, oh no,
I didn't even know it was funny. Okay, Oh my god?
That you know what?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
That sounds like that right there, sounds like something that
somebody who works for the Maritors would go home and
tell their wife, we just spent.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Six million for the rest of the year to get
these guys.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Well good, you should have spent twenty million for the
rest of the year. I mean, look, Dick, I get
what you're saying that there's gonna be some payroll that's
gonna be absorbed by the Mariners when it comes.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
To these deals. But that's a drop in the bucket
for these guys. That's it.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
That's like a twenty five cent soda for you and
I at this office now I.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Agree with you.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Well, it's not really because they're not. I mean, they're
hemorrhaging money. So it's are you are we hemorrhaging money
here at the station?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Who I mean, who's hemorrhaging money? Well, the Mariners are.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I thought they're making money hand over five. I thought that.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I thought that they have a huge, huge issue on
their side, on their on, on their hands, their regional
sports network.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I think, is that not the case? Is that gone now?
I think that that's what they've turned it into.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
When you have so let's pretend it's not real.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
No, not at all. It's completely real. But when you
make it real? Do you get my point? By the way,
do you need me to explain this for the six
thousand time? When you have a budget that's what the
Mariner's budget is, then yes, bringing on six million dollars
feels like a lot of money, But they set the budget. Okay,
I mean, these these guys worth billions of dollars, these people. Okay,
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so you want to tell me it's a lot of money. Look,
there is no part of me whatsoever, not one fiber
in my being, that wants to give this ownership credit
for bringing on six million dollars in salary, not at all.
I'd rather give Jerry to Poto credit for getting the
guys he got without giving up Anny top ten prospects,
which I would love to do that.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
By the way, I said that to you guys a
couple segments ago. Look here's what I think.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I think you asked the perfect question, Jackson when you said,
have they done enough to appease the fans? Like, for example,
if they went out and got Guerrero and Pete Alonzo
and Luis Robert, I think all of us, well, that's
pretty significant, o'kink?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Great, those are the top three guys.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Have they done enough to get the fan base off
their back at least temporarily? I would think the answer
most likely is no, just given the fan base and
how fickle they've become, and their attitude towards the franchise,
all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
But I will also.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Say this, and we got another you know, twenty one hours,
twenty three hours to go, Luis Robert, Peter Alonzo, Guerrera
have not been moved yet.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I mean, the Randy A.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Rose Arena acquisition may prove in the end to be
the biggest one any team makes it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
The deadline, which means that certainly may.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Which means that would be two out of three years
your baseball team made its biggest that's a trade destination
move in baseball.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And guess what, at least for one of those times,
and so far, by your own admission, and I wholeheartedly
agree with you, not enough to win a title because
of the position that you put yourself in. This is
what we've been talking about, that this franchise was likely
going to go out and make a couple of moves
of the deadline, but nothing significant, nothing that you could say,
(05:38):
oh my god, they're now the Yankees or the Orioles
or the Dodgers right or the Guardians because they're just
not built that way.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
They want to be built that way.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
They have to do that in November and December and January.
That's when you build a baseball team, not here. So
I think for what is available and what's being offered
and it being a market, I think they've done it
by as good as can be.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I just think there's I really do. There's a time
and place to criticize Jerry to Poto. There's a time
and a place to criticize ownership, and now is not
the time for you.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Who's criticizing to Poto, I just told you did a
great job. I understand that.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
But you are still criticizing ownership because you're laughing at
the fact that they were willing to spend money now
and just going back to what they weren't willing to
do five months ago, which.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I don't think is fair.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I mean, I think you can laugh at them all
you want in February, but when they add a guy
that's making fourteen million dollars a year and has bonuses
up to another million dollars a year between now and
the end of the year based upon plate appearances that
you're going to be paying for, now's not the time
to burst out and laughter.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
They also have a guy in Jorge Polonko who's contract
will not be picked up next season. There's going to
be significant savings there, There's no question about that. And
if you want to make giving them credit for acquiring
six million dollars in players at the top of your
list of things to focus on, I can't dance with
you there, Dick, You do whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I didn't say it was the top of my list,
but it came out of your mouth.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I mean, that's one of the first things you mentioned
is they're bringing on six million dollars in salary, and
I mean, I look, maybe.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I'm in the minority guys here, of course you're four nine,
four or five one.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I just think of that as completely insignificant to me
at this point of the year. It doesn't even matter
how much these guys are making. You're paying for what
one third of a guy's salary for twenty twenty four
and then if he signed like a rose Arena is
next year and beyond two more years with that guy.
(07:35):
I love the Aros Arena signing because it crosses something
off the shopping list over the offseason for the Poto.
But how much guys are making right now, that's insignificant.
Whether they're making five hundred thousand or they're making fifty million.
You need good players at whatever the cost. There's never, never,
never a time this late in the year I think
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to worry about money and to haggle over money. So
if we want to give him credit for that and
I'm missing the boat, then give him credit for it.
But I think the acquisitions, given what's available, I think
they're a better baseball team today.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Than they were yesterday. I agree with what you said.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I don't think though, that they should be considered a
World Series favorite by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But if this team.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Is going to get in and they're going to make
a run, the thing that should give you the most
hope is what Polanco did this weekend in Chicago. That's
the most hope. And before anybody says, well, it's the
White Sox. Hey, they faced the Angels last week and
they couldn't do a damn thing against the Angels.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
That is a high school baseball team. They also face
Crochet too, That's right. I mean that's like they faced
a triple A pitcher. And at this point, these guys
need confidence.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Man, hooray.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Polanco's head is so far gone that guy needs confidence.
So getting him going again, getting Julio back, getting JP
Crawford back, and maybe it's the Erosarena trade, maybe it
woke all these guys up.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Well, I just going back the money thing for a second.
I mean, correct him if I'm wrong. This is the
first time they've done that. I mean, when if they
brought in a guy making quite a bit of money
at the deadline, Cause still wasn't making anything at the deadline.
You had to sign him to a contract. I mean,
they don't bring in guys that are making a good
chunk of change at the deadline. So maybe my point
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is maybe there's a bit of a shift in philosophy
here now that they're willing to, Hey, we gotta plug
a hole, and we got to plug a hole by
spending money on guys, and maybe that will carry over
to next offseason.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I just don't know how much the money thing actually matters.
The thing that I think me and fans should care
about is the fact that he has a good batting average,
he has a very good postseason track record. Yeah, with
tons of experience, and he's a guy that feels it
can be a veteran leader on this team that just
lost Ty Franz by the way, who can play a
number of different spots. The versatility is huge. Like, as
(09:53):
I'm kind of talking, I'm convincing myself. I said it
was like two and a half deals, right, It really
is like three deals to make an in packed level
on this team at three different spots that they clearly needed.
I mean, and they meanwhile, they didn't even have to
give up any of their top prospects to do it.
So ultimately, you if this is it, If this is it,
(10:13):
and I hope it's not, But if this is it,
you go into twenty twenty five with a similar team
with all of those prospects who you can then again
have on the table to drill and get even more
talent for next year.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
This should be a fruitful offseason for them for the marriage,
i'd hope, because they've got a lot of bullets in
the chamber.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Definitely, that's not.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Really when you trade prospects though, Right, don't you trade
prospects in July, not in December?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
But you've got a boatload of them, right, can you
move two of us? Trade them in November? Can you
move three of them? And then can you bump more
guys up? By mean, look, if you're not going to
go out and buy players in November, then you better
damn will trade players to get those players that you're
looking for. And Dick, if you're saying that you want
to give the Mariner's credit for going out and picking
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up six million dollars in salary because that goes against
their nature. Okay, fine, I get that, but I guess
I'm just sitting here doing the old Chris Rock thing again.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I don't want to give these guys credit for doing
stuff they should be doing. I take care you well,
they should be going out right.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I mean, that's that is a nothing financial obligation for
the rest of the way, and if these guys make
the playoffs, they'll get all of that back and then.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Some I understand that, but I mean that's not the
way baseball works. I mean, you understand that most of
these teams are shedding payroll, They're not adding payroll. I
mean there are there are a hand a small handful
of teams that I think a lot of Mariner fans
look at and say, God, the Mariners should be like that. Well,
just you got to get that out of your head.
The Mariners will never operate like the Yankees, the Red Sox,
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the Dodgers, the Phillies.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
They will never operate like that.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
So the best we can hope for is that next
range of seven to ten teams, can they operate like
those teams and not operate like a bottom half of
major League Baseball team.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
That is what I hope for.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Well, the issue, part of the issue is that you
are in a division with two teams that have spent
about a combined two hundred million dollars more than you
have on payroll in Houston, Texas, And that's what you're
going to be fighting, right The Angels have shown at
times they're willing to spend money. There's no question about
that not happening right now, but they've shown that in
(12:28):
the A's are a zero financially, and they'll be a
zero probably in Vegas when they get to there as well.
So I just think that really the focus is. I
don't want anyone sitting around going, well, this is about
the money. No, it's about the good players they got
because in the end, and you may not know this
about me, I don't care how much money they spend
on payroll as long as they win. But they're not winning.
(12:50):
That's the thing. They've never made the World Series. They
have made the ALCS in twenty three years. They have
one playoff win since before Dixon was born. Okay, so really,
in the end, who can how you get it done?
Tampa Bay Rays have gotten it done over the years
without spending payroll. You know, there's a lot of teams
that do that, but a lot of teams also don't
have a front office with a major offensive hole in
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their game where they can't develop hitting. Right, if Jerry
Depoto was as good offensively as he was pitching wise,
I wouldn't give a damn go out and develop hitters.
Don't pay him anything, save all the money for the deadline,
blow the market away, spend fifty million dollars over asking
on somebody and bring him in.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Let's go nuts. But they don't do that.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
So they've got to find a way to get these guys,
and you fight. The way to get them is when
everybody is begging for talent. And look, I'm actually shocked
that they were able to get a Rose Arena for
what they got him fired, to be honest with you,
because for the lack of hitters available, and this guy
had a bad first half of the year, but he's
put on fire really for the last couple of months
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or so. To get him for what they got and
not have to give up of their top five, top
six guys is actually amazing. I Mean, there's Tampa Ray
fans like, what are we doing? You know, we're a
game and a half out of a wild card spot.
We just gave up Randy a Rose for nothing.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
And I think Jerry Depoto in the next twenty four
hours to go knocking on the raised door. Absolutely don't
get YONDI dia yes, and then I'd be happy. Yes, Okay,
he's not Vlad Guerrero, but he's another seven to fifty
oh ps guy that can replace the mess that you've
had at the corner and he.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Wouldn't cost as much nearly. Well, here's where he needs
to be. He needs to be Kevin Costner and drafting. Yeah,
just wheeling and dealing and messing with people's psyche and
tricking people and sneaking around and getting stuff done and
being committed and being a cutthroat general manager that will
cut your you know, what's off and if he's not
(14:47):
getting what he's looking for right, and convince everyone that
I'm selling you a chicken when really it's a turkey, Okay, whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
He needs to be that guy, and I think so
far he's been that guy.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I think Jerry to Poto is working with some constraints here,
there's no question he's working with some constraints and for
what he did, you know, it's like look with Polanco
and Garver and Hanneger and you know, Crawford all of
us are saying the same thing about those guys that
we should be saying about Justin Turner and Randy A.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Rose Arena. Can you give us two months? That's it? Like,
don't even care what happens next year. If Randy A.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Rose Arena is on fire for two months and the
Mariners make the playoffs and they make the World Series
because of this guy who's a ballbuster in a playoffs,
by the way, and then he stinks in a year.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
From now, so what who cares?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Like I'm getting into these arguments with Oregon fans about
way you know what's coming, softy, Oregon's gonna kick your
ass again. Okay, fine, why do you eat Vegas while
you're at it? Because I'll take that game over anything
happening next year, That's right.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I mean, there's nothing they can do now. They could
beat us by sixty next year and it wouldn't even
begin to a race, which I think might happen, by
the way. I think they might murder us in Eugene
and don't even care, don't even care, don't care, Yeah,
don't care.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
A big one.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Washington and Ran just played the biggest game ever between
the two and we won, and you can wear that
and you can taste that for the rest of your
stupid ass life.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
As long as you go.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
You will have that memory burned into your dumbass brain
for as long as you live.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That Washington was there, and you'll have it hanging on
your wall. I will. It's already there.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
The final Pack twelve championship game of all time and
it went to Washington. Like I had a guy again,
I'm me today. All you do is just think about
that game. Okay, So what about Kenny Wheaton Because every
time I go to Eugene see that play every time.
And that was thirty years ago, and you're still playing
a clip from thirty years ago. So you bet I'm
gonna shove that down your throat. But anyway, four nine,
four or five one, you give us your thoughts. I
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think Jackson put it right. Is this enough to get
the fans off their back? Four nine, four or five one.
Let's hear from Ryan Grubb a little bit next on
ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
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Speaker 1 (17:05):
I had a senior moment today, by the way, which
I'll tell you about in the five o'clock hour. You
may have done it already, y I don't know, knowing
you who knows you're pretty on top of stuff. I'm
not sure if you've done this yet, but I'll tell
you what it was at five pm. Text them audios
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the more dude text line when his game time, it's
a tunny time. Ryan Grubb, Seahawk offensive coordinator former Husky
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OC was on the air with us on Friday, and
he talked about a lot of stuff that I think
is worth replaying here on the show. Number one, his
thoughts on what he's got in Geno Smith and his
comparisons to Michael.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
Pennix similar I would say that the ball comes out
of his hands so clean, just like it did with Mike.
I think that for people that haven't seen Geno throw
in person, I think he's special, you know, And I've
watched plenty of NFL film on plenty of guys, and
Gino's throwing talent, arm talent, the way it comes out
out accuracy, you know, it's not a you get to
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know him when you start watching them. You're at practice
with him now every day and you're like, hey, two
years ago, this guy led the league in completion percentage.
I'm not surprised at all. I think he's I think
he's an elite quarterback. I think that he has the
traits to be able to push the ball down the field,
quick release, to get accurate underneath throws, and great understanding
the protection scheme. He's he's a veteran guy, like that's
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one of the biggest assets is you come in and
you have a guy like Geno that can you know,
execute your protection scheme and take care of himself. And
then I don't know, I mean I think that, you know,
I would say Mike and Gino are both really, really
great spirited guys as far as just they're awesome in
the meeting room, you know, and so there's no difference there.
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I would just say, you know, maturity, which is not
a knock on Mike. It's just you know, time and distance.
I think Gino would probably tell Mike, hey, when you're
going through these things early on, here's some things to consider,
and he's So they're both on the other similarities just
really humble guys. They want to be great, and I
think that's what makes him great.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Is all right?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
So did he use the word e lead to describe
Gino Smith as a quarterback or as an arm town
He said he's an elite quarterback. That quote, well, because
the first thing I thought of when I heard that
the second time is what's important to Ryan Grubb. I mean,
protecting the football obviously huge for Ryan Grubb, and Gino
does a pretty good job of that, I think in
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general terms, being accurate. And if he's looking at those
two things like more than anything else, then he would
be elite in his mind.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
He led the league in completion percentage a year ago
at seventy percent two years ago. Sorry, you know who
led the league last year? Dick's favorite to it led
the league last year. And he's in Gino's company, and
you're not calling him elite, right, So, but well, but
if he is in Gino's company, then he's a guy
that if he were four or five years younger, somebody
may want to give fifty five million dollars to.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I just think there is such a dearth now of
quality quarterbacks on the bottom half of bottom two thirds
of the NFL that a guy like that really stands out.
And I also wonder how much of that is Ryan
Grubb just trying to pump his own guy up right.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Well, but it's also gonna be dangerous because if you
say your quarterback is elite and then midway through the
season you don't have an elite passing game, who's it on.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
It's on the coach, It's on you totally. So I
don't know if I'd be doing that if I didn't
really think that he was.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Shows you the confidence Ryan Grubb has. I mean, again,
I don't know why coaches say things like this. I mean,
Scott Servis said that this is the best team he's
had since he's been here. Man, now they're floundering, all
right on Scot Mick Cronin came out the other day
and said, this is the deepest UCLA team he's ever had.
All right, then make the Final four him. No, I mean,
I don't know why coaches do this. All it does
is put more pressure on themselves to deliver. I will
(20:53):
guarantee you this. In the two years I've known Ryan Grubb,
the one thing he's not short on his confidence at all.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
That's right at all.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
And I would you know, if you're just talking about
as a passer, how the ball comes out of your hand. Yeah,
it looks elite to me. But you don't stay on
the bench for as long as Gino stayed on the bench.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
And you don't have to.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Really a season and a half of mediocre play as
a starter for Seattle. You had a much above average
first half of the first year, and then you have
been as Hugh would indicate absolutely Dictionary definition average over
the last year and a half.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
You don't do that if you're an elite quarterback.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Now, I think Ryan Grubb is far superior to Shane Waldron.
I'm hoping he's far superior, but I think he's far superior.
So we might be able to see Ryan Grubb take
Gino back to the Gino that he was in the
first eight games of twenty twenty two. And that's enough
for me. That's enough for me because I think that
Gino is enough to be a top ten twelve offense
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in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Well, I think Gino Smith this is the best offensive
lining he's had since he's been here in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
The one they have right now.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
And if he had the offensive line the NFL version
of what Pennix had in college, then forget it. I mean,
he did the best line in the NFL. And it's
interesting because Ryan Grubb, I want to go to number three,
was asked about investing on the offensive line and some
thoughts on the way that group has performed in practiced
so far.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
I got to make sure that, you know, like I
said before, we take care of Geno, and I think
the first thing is I would much rather overinvest in
protection and keep us up right and give ourselves a chance.
You know, the we had a couple of a B
gap problems today and that's that's exactly what you can't
have his interior problems. If it's off the edge, guys
can get out of it and get the ball out their
hands and stay in a man of both situations. So
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number one, keeping your quarterback healthy. Number two obviously not
getting in a negative yardage situation. So and I think
you know, when you think about the deep ball and
the ball pushing to the perimeter of the field, yep,
those are some of the hardest throws, right are the
things that the defense is like, let's see you do that,
and so when you can become elite at those things,
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defenses are like daring you to do, like push the
ball wide, show us you can compete and complete the
ball with with and then make accurate deep throws and
give him a chance. When you can become elite at that,
when you have those opportunities and chances, those are the
things sometimes at false secondary in an offense where people
don't emphasize that. And you know old saying, right, you
achieve what you emphasize. So we certainly do that.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Did big Olu start a game last year for them?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Okay, we know that Christian Haynes did because he was
in college. So when Ryan Grubbs says the interior of
the offensive line is having some issues, and that would
be Lake and Tomlinson, big Olu and Christian Haynes, right,
would be your three guys, I'm not surprised to hear
that at all. They've never played a game together. You
got two of the three guys that have never started
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a game in the NFL, one guy who's never taken
a snap in the NFL. So after a week of
training camp, Dick or whatever, it's been so far. If
you're telling me that there's been some issues on the interior, hey,
I'm I'm fine with that. I mean, if he's telling
us this after, you know, the last preseason game or
you know, week four or five of the season, then
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we're talking about maybe a personnel problem and different guys
getting to play. But I'm not surprised that the Seahawk
offensive line that has so many new guys together and
the Washington offensive line that's got so many new guys
together would have some issues in the first week in training.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Game.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, he did start.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
One game according to Pro Reference last year, but he
just played so sparingly. It was probably the biggest disappointment
of any of the any of the rookies, just because
of the lack of time that he was out there.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I mean, he was the talk of camp last year.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
At this time, everybody was talking about big Oldhu and
it just never came to fruition. But snaps you have
last year at one hundred and thirty snaps, that's nuts.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Two that's a game and a half, basically a half
games whatever.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
He so, you know, yeah, I'm concerned with both lines,
There's no question about it. Abe Lucas's injury makes me
even more concerned with that offensive line. But I mean,
it sounds like Ryan Grubb is just gonna pack everybody
in that box. He is gonna leave Ken Walker in
the block, He's gonna leave Zach Charbonay in the block,
He's gonna leave the tight ends in the block, and
hopefully the receivers can get open with Gino getting an
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extra tick, and he shouldn't be able to get it
to his receivers with an extra tick.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
How did Ryan Grubb win the biggest game of the year.
I guess the Texas game was the biggest game of
the year, but the Organ game he won it by
pounding the ball down their throat is how he did it.
We went to USC and identified a weak USC rushing defense,
and he went for three hundred change.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Remember the argument pregame with Greg Lewis and what should
they do? Well, what do they do? They should run
the ball, but will they run the ball? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
They ran the ball right down their throat. So my
point is I think Ryan Grubbs sometimes gets unfairly pegged
as a passing guy. I mean, look, of course they
threw the ball a year ago. They had three players
that were taken in the first two rounds at wide receiver,
in a first round quarterback, a top ten quarterback. Of
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course they're going to throw the ball. Okay, So what
happens when Ryan Grubb doesn't have that kind of talent
and he may have that talent at wide receiver, not
at quarterback, no, right, but that wide receiver. Yeah, well
maybe he thinks he does. I just think this. I
think Ryan Grubb at his heart is an offensive line
running guy that wants to build the best offensive line
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possible and be able to do it all.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
And he proved that when he was the OC that
he could do it all.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
He can win any game he had to try and
win any style of game except for the Michigan game.
They were just outclassed by them defensively. I can't wait
for this guy. I've been telling you guys that I'm
more fired up dick for the coaches than i am
the players on this team. I'm more curious to see
what Ryan Grubb does as a play caller than I
am anybody else as a player on offense.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
One.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I think I feel that way about both of our
football team.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yeah, I feel that way about the Huskies too, because
you know, you would hope that the coach is going
to be around longer than the playoff players. Now in
this situation, we're not sure that the coach is going
to be around longer than the players.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
But you would think.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I mean, these players, especially in college football now just
come and go, come and go, come and go. And
if we see a system with Jed Fish even close
to what we saw with Ryan Grubb and Kaylin de boor,
you know, Jed's gonna get the talent. Look at his
recruiting class.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, but then does he take all that talent to
his next school? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
In the meantime, let's go ten and two and then
find the next guys.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I just wonder if Husky fans are gonna be bitter
and bitching about Jedfish the way they bitch about Kailyn
de Bor.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Let's hope. So because that means Jedfish was awesome. I'm
fine with that. I'm totally fine with that.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
If you told me every two years, we're going twenty
five and three and a new guy comes in room,
where do I sign up? But I mean, we're literally
expecting Jedfish to do the same thing. That Kaylen to
board did right, Yes, I mean maybe Jed Fish will
write a letter and make people feel better about it.
Is that really what people are pissed off about? I mean, really,
that's soft in this town people. He didn't say goodbone,
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he didn't write a letter. Really, that's what you're angry about.
That's what you're because he didn't call you and give
you a pat on your took us on the way
out the door.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
That's what you're pissed about.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
No, come on, man, I mean, there's nothing you should
not be pissed about anything with Kaylin de Bore anything.
And if Jedfish wins like Kaitlan did, you shouldn't be
pissed about him either. We're gonna break textimonials coming next
on ninety three three kJ A RFM
Let's just go round the room and get the vibe.
We'll get the buzz here on the radio show. If
this is it, If Jerry Depoto announces tomorrow at twelve thirty,
what time is the deadline? Three o'clock or one o'clock
our time, so two thirty tomorrow comes out of his
cave and says he's all sweating, dishoveled, hasn't slept in
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three days. We tried, but this is all we can do,
Diaz a Rose Arena Turner. Is it enough? Is it
enough to make a difference on this team that makes
you feel like, Okay, now they have some weapons that
give them a chance to really make the postseason and
maybe make a run when they get there.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Is it enough? I think it is enough to make
the postseason.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I feel much better about their chance of winning the
division now than I did five days ago. It is
not enough to make the World Series. It is not
enough to win the World Series. I think you need
a solid thumper bat in the middle of the lineup
to place everybody else where they need to go. And
I think that move is necessary if you truly want
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to win a World Series this year.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Okay, Jackson, I kind of agree.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I think it's enough to even win a playoff series,
especially if Polongo can continue even just a little bit
of the pace he's on right now, if Roe Blaze
can continue to turn into a solid starting player, I
think this is enough to get you. It's also good
enough to get back in the good graces of fans.
I mean, we were all kind of saying, like this
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last stretch, that's a better question. By the way, Yeah,
I think I think this last stretch was like gosh,
come on, like really, this is it. Ye's gonna flame out,
But like making three deals that like listen, you can
say what you want about Justin Turner deal, but the
Arosarrainy deal, that's a major deal. The Ymi Garcia, we
saw what he can do. That's a major deal. And
then Turners about half of a major deal. They've really
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I mean Justin Hollander when he was on with the
Chris Cofford and saying like we're gonna be in on,
We're gonna we're gonna go for it as much as
we can go for it. Like they're clearly doing the
absolute most they can to upgrade this team, and at
least for me, like I was a little bit off
the bandwagon, and I was really frustrated. I'm back on
by saying, you guys clearly did a bunch of work.
You found three deals, and and they're paying money. If
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this is they're spending a six million on Justin Turners
the rest.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Of the year.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
If you, if you, if this is what still? Yeah, yeah, still,
if this is what you can do, and this is
what you can do, let's.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Go all right. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I mean, oh no,
I didn't even know it was funny. Okay, Oh my god?
That you know what?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
That sounds like that right there, sounds like something that
somebody who works for the Maritors would go home and
tell their wife, we just spent.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Six million for the rest of the year to get
these guys.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Well good, you should have spent twenty million for the
rest of the year. I mean, look, Dick, I get
what you're saying that there's gonna be some payroll that's
gonna be absorbed by the Mariners when it comes.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
To these deals. But that's a drop in the bucket
for these guys. That's it.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
That's like a twenty five cent soda for you and
I at this office now I.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Agree with you.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Well, it's not really because they're not. I mean, they're
hemorrhaging money. So it's are you are we hemorrhaging money
here at the station?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Who I mean, who's hemorrhaging money? Well, the Mariners are.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I thought they're making money hand over five. I thought that.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I thought that they have a huge, huge issue on
their side, on their on, on their hands, their regional
sports network.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I think, is that not the case? Is that gone now?
I think that that's what they've turned it into.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
When you have so let's pretend it's not real.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
No, not at all. It's completely real. But when you
make it real? Do you get my point? By the way,
do you need me to explain this for the six
thousand time? When you have a budget that's what the
Mariner's budget is, then yes, bringing on six million dollars
feels like a lot of money, But they set the budget. Okay,
I mean, these these guys worth billions of dollars, these people. Okay,
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so you want to tell me it's a lot of money. Look,
there is no part of me whatsoever, not one fiber
in my being, that wants to give this ownership credit
for bringing on six million dollars in salary, not at all.
I'd rather give Jerry to Poto credit for getting the
guys he got without giving up Anny top ten prospects,
which I would love to do that.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
By the way, I said that to you guys a
couple segments ago. Look here's what I think.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I think you asked the perfect question, Jackson when you said,
have they done enough to appease the fans? Like, for example,
if they went out and got Guerrero and Pete Alonzo
and Luis Robert, I think all of us, well, that's
pretty significant, o'kink?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Great, those are the top three guys.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Have they done enough to get the fan base off
their back at least temporarily? I would think the answer
most likely is no, just given the fan base and
how fickle they've become, and their attitude towards the franchise,
all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
But I will also.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Say this, and we got another you know, twenty one hours,
twenty three hours to go, Luis Robert, Peter Alonzo, Guerrera
have not been moved yet.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I mean, the Randy A.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Rose Arena acquisition may prove in the end to be
the biggest one any team makes it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
The deadline, which means that certainly may.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Which means that would be two out of three years
your baseball team made its biggest that's a trade destination
move in baseball.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And guess what, at least for one of those times,
and so far, by your own admission, and I wholeheartedly
agree with you, not enough to win a title because
of the position that you put yourself in. This is
what we've been talking about, that this franchise was likely
going to go out and make a couple of moves
of the deadline, but nothing significant, nothing that you could say,
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oh my god, they're now the Yankees or the Orioles
or the Dodgers right or the Guardians because they're just
not built that way.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
They want to be built that way.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
They have to do that in November and December and January.
That's when you build a baseball team, not here. So
I think for what is available and what's being offered
and it being a market, I think they've done it
by as good as can be.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I just think there's I really do. There's a time
and place to criticize Jerry to Poto. There's a time
and a place to criticize ownership, and now is not
the time for you.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Who's criticizing to Poto, I just told you did a
great job. I understand that.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
But you are still criticizing ownership because you're laughing at
the fact that they were willing to spend money now
and just going back to what they weren't willing to
do five months ago, which.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I don't think is fair.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I mean, I think you can laugh at them all
you want in February, but when they add a guy
that's making fourteen million dollars a year and has bonuses
up to another million dollars a year between now and
the end of the year based upon plate appearances that
you're going to be paying for, now's not the time
to burst out and laughter.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
They also have a guy in Jorge Polonko who's contract
will not be picked up next season. There's going to
be significant savings there, There's no question about that. And
if you want to make giving them credit for acquiring
six million dollars in players at the top of your
list of things to focus on, I can't dance with
you there, Dick, You do whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I didn't say it was the top of my list,
but it came out of your mouth.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I mean, that's one of the first things you mentioned
is they're bringing on six million dollars in salary, and
I mean, I look, maybe.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I'm in the minority guys here, of course you're four nine,
four or five one.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I just think of that as completely insignificant to me
at this point of the year. It doesn't even matter
how much these guys are making. You're paying for what
one third of a guy's salary for twenty twenty four
and then if he signed like a rose Arena is
next year and beyond two more years with that guy.
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I love the Aros Arena signing because it crosses something
off the shopping list over the offseason for the Poto.
But how much guys are making right now, that's insignificant.
Whether they're making five hundred thousand or they're making fifty million.
You need good players at whatever the cost. There's never, never,
never a time this late in the year I think
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to worry about money and to haggle over money. So
if we want to give him credit for that and
I'm missing the boat, then give him credit for it.
But I think the acquisitions, given what's available, I think
they're a better baseball team today.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Than they were yesterday. I agree with what you said.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I don't think though, that they should be considered a
World Series favorite by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But if this team.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Is going to get in and they're going to make
a run, the thing that should give you the most
hope is what Polanco did this weekend in Chicago. That's
the most hope. And before anybody says, well, it's the
White Sox. Hey, they faced the Angels last week and
they couldn't do a damn thing against the Angels.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
That is a high school baseball team. They also face
Crochet too, That's right. I mean that's like they faced
a triple A pitcher. And at this point, these guys
need confidence.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Man, hooray.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Polanco's head is so far gone that guy needs confidence.
So getting him going again, getting Julio back, getting JP
Crawford back, and maybe it's the Erosarena trade, maybe it
woke all these guys up.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Well, I just going back the money thing for a second.
I mean, correct him if I'm wrong. This is the
first time they've done that. I mean, when if they
brought in a guy making quite a bit of money
at the deadline, Cause still wasn't making anything at the deadline.
You had to sign him to a contract. I mean,
they don't bring in guys that are making a good
chunk of change at the deadline. So maybe my point
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is maybe there's a bit of a shift in philosophy
here now that they're willing to, Hey, we gotta plug
a hole, and we got to plug a hole by
spending money on guys, and maybe that will carry over
to next offseason.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I just don't know how much the money thing actually matters.
The thing that I think me and fans should care
about is the fact that he has a good batting average,
he has a very good postseason track record. Yeah, with
tons of experience, and he's a guy that feels it
can be a veteran leader on this team that just
lost Ty Franz by the way, who can play a
number of different spots. The versatility is huge. Like, as
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I'm kind of talking, I'm convincing myself. I said it
was like two and a half deals, right, It really
is like three deals to make an in packed level
on this team at three different spots that they clearly needed.
I mean, and they meanwhile, they didn't even have to
give up any of their top prospects to do it.
So ultimately, you if this is it, If this is it,
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and I hope it's not, But if this is it,
you go into twenty twenty five with a similar team
with all of those prospects who you can then again
have on the table to drill and get even more
talent for next year.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
This should be a fruitful offseason for them for the marriage,
i'd hope, because they've got a lot of bullets in
the chamber.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Definitely, that's not.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Really when you trade prospects though, Right, don't you trade
prospects in July, not in December?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
But you've got a boatload of them, right, can you
move two of us? Trade them in November? Can you
move three of them? And then can you bump more
guys up? By mean, look, if you're not going to
go out and buy players in November, then you better
damn will trade players to get those players that you're
looking for. And Dick, if you're saying that you want
to give the Mariner's credit for going out and picking
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up six million dollars in salary because that goes against
their nature. Okay, fine, I get that, but I guess
I'm just sitting here doing the old Chris Rock thing again.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I don't want to give these guys credit for doing
stuff they should be doing. I take care you well,
they should be going out right.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I mean, that's that is a nothing financial obligation for
the rest of the way, and if these guys make
the playoffs, they'll get all of that back and then.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Some I understand that, but I mean that's not the
way baseball works. I mean, you understand that most of
these teams are shedding payroll, They're not adding payroll. I
mean there are there are a hand a small handful
of teams that I think a lot of Mariner fans
look at and say, God, the Mariners should be like that. Well,
just you got to get that out of your head.
The Mariners will never operate like the Yankees, the Red Sox,
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the Dodgers, the Phillies.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
They will never operate like that.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
So the best we can hope for is that next
range of seven to ten teams, can they operate like
those teams and not operate like a bottom half of
major League Baseball team.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
That is what I hope for.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Well, the issue, part of the issue is that you
are in a division with two teams that have spent
about a combined two hundred million dollars more than you
have on payroll in Houston, Texas, And that's what you're
going to be fighting, right The Angels have shown at
times they're willing to spend money. There's no question about
that not happening right now, but they've shown that in
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the A's are a zero financially, and they'll be a
zero probably in Vegas when they get to there as well.
So I just think that really the focus is. I
don't want anyone sitting around going, well, this is about
the money. No, it's about the good players they got
because in the end, and you may not know this
about me, I don't care how much money they spend
on payroll as long as they win. But they're not winning.
(12:50):
That's the thing. They've never made the World Series. They
have made the ALCS in twenty three years. They have
one playoff win since before Dixon was born. Okay, so really,
in the end, who can how you get it done?
Tampa Bay Rays have gotten it done over the years
without spending payroll. You know, there's a lot of teams
that do that, but a lot of teams also don't
have a front office with a major offensive hole in
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their game where they can't develop hitting. Right, if Jerry
Depoto was as good offensively as he was pitching wise,
I wouldn't give a damn go out and develop hitters.
Don't pay him anything, save all the money for the deadline,
blow the market away, spend fifty million dollars over asking
on somebody and bring him in.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Let's go nuts. But they don't do that.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
So they've got to find a way to get these guys,
and you fight. The way to get them is when
everybody is begging for talent. And look, I'm actually shocked
that they were able to get a Rose Arena for
what they got him fired, to be honest with you,
because for the lack of hitters available, and this guy
had a bad first half of the year, but he's
put on fire really for the last couple of months
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or so. To get him for what they got and
not have to give up of their top five, top
six guys is actually amazing. I Mean, there's Tampa Ray
fans like, what are we doing? You know, we're a
game and a half out of a wild card spot.
We just gave up Randy a Rose for nothing.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
And I think Jerry Depoto in the next twenty four
hours to go knocking on the raised door. Absolutely don't
get YONDI dia yes, and then I'd be happy. Yes, Okay,
he's not Vlad Guerrero, but he's another seven to fifty
oh ps guy that can replace the mess that you've
had at the corner and he.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Wouldn't cost as much nearly. Well, here's where he needs
to be. He needs to be Kevin Costner and drafting. Yeah,
just wheeling and dealing and messing with people's psyche and
tricking people and sneaking around and getting stuff done and
being committed and being a cutthroat general manager that will
cut your you know, what's off and if he's not
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getting what he's looking for right, and convince everyone that
I'm selling you a chicken when really it's a turkey, Okay, whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
He needs to be that guy, and I think so
far he's been that guy.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I think Jerry to Poto is working with some constraints here,
there's no question he's working with some constraints and for
what he did, you know, it's like look with Polanco
and Garver and Hanneger and you know, Crawford all of
us are saying the same thing about those guys that
we should be saying about Justin Turner and Randy A.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Rose Arena. Can you give us two months? That's it? Like,
don't even care what happens next year. If Randy A.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Rose Arena is on fire for two months and the
Mariners make the playoffs and they make the World Series
because of this guy who's a ballbuster in a playoffs,
by the way, and then he stinks in a year.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
From now, so what who cares?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Like I'm getting into these arguments with Oregon fans about
way you know what's coming, softy, Oregon's gonna kick your
ass again. Okay, fine, why do you eat Vegas while
you're at it? Because I'll take that game over anything
happening next year, That's right.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I mean, there's nothing they can do now. They could
beat us by sixty next year and it wouldn't even
begin to a race, which I think might happen, by
the way. I think they might murder us in Eugene
and don't even care, don't even care, don't care, Yeah,
don't care.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
A big one.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Washington and Ran just played the biggest game ever between
the two and we won, and you can wear that
and you can taste that for the rest of your
stupid ass life.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
As long as you go.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
You will have that memory burned into your dumbass brain
for as long as you live.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That Washington was there, and you'll have it hanging on
your wall. I will. It's already there.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
The final Pack twelve championship game of all time and
it went to Washington. Like I had a guy again,
I'm me today. All you do is just think about
that game. Okay, So what about Kenny Wheaton Because every
time I go to Eugene see that play every time.
And that was thirty years ago, and you're still playing
a clip from thirty years ago. So you bet I'm
gonna shove that down your throat. But anyway, four nine,
four or five one, you give us your thoughts. I
(16:42):
think Jackson put it right. Is this enough to get
the fans off their back? Four nine, four or five one.
Let's hear from Ryan Grubb a little bit next on
ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Live from the R and R Foundation Specialist Broadcast Studio.
Now back to Softie and Dick on your home for
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Speaker 1 (17:05):
I had a senior moment today, by the way, which
I'll tell you about in the five o'clock hour. You
may have done it already, y I don't know, knowing
you who knows you're pretty on top of stuff. I'm
not sure if you've done this yet, but I'll tell
you what it was at five pm. Text them audios
four nine four y to five to one. Next segment, tell
the more dude text line when his game time, it's
a tunny time. Ryan Grubb, Seahawk offensive coordinator former Husky
(17:27):
OC was on the air with us on Friday, and
he talked about a lot of stuff that I think
is worth replaying here on the show. Number one, his
thoughts on what he's got in Geno Smith and his
comparisons to Michael.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
Pennix similar I would say that the ball comes out
of his hands so clean, just like it did with Mike.
I think that for people that haven't seen Geno throw
in person, I think he's special, you know, And I've
watched plenty of NFL film on plenty of guys, and
Gino's throwing talent, arm talent, the way it comes out
out accuracy, you know, it's not a you get to
(18:03):
know him when you start watching them. You're at practice
with him now every day and you're like, hey, two
years ago, this guy led the league in completion percentage.
I'm not surprised at all. I think he's I think
he's an elite quarterback. I think that he has the
traits to be able to push the ball down the field,
quick release, to get accurate underneath throws, and great understanding
the protection scheme. He's he's a veteran guy, like that's
(18:25):
one of the biggest assets is you come in and
you have a guy like Geno that can you know,
execute your protection scheme and take care of himself. And
then I don't know, I mean I think that, you know,
I would say Mike and Gino are both really, really
great spirited guys as far as just they're awesome in
the meeting room, you know, and so there's no difference there.
(18:46):
I would just say, you know, maturity, which is not
a knock on Mike. It's just you know, time and distance.
I think Gino would probably tell Mike, hey, when you're
going through these things early on, here's some things to consider,
and he's So they're both on the other similarities just
really humble guys. They want to be great, and I
think that's what makes him great.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Is all right?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
So did he use the word e lead to describe
Gino Smith as a quarterback or as an arm town
He said he's an elite quarterback. That quote, well, because
the first thing I thought of when I heard that
the second time is what's important to Ryan Grubb. I mean,
protecting the football obviously huge for Ryan Grubb, and Gino
does a pretty good job of that, I think in
(19:27):
general terms, being accurate. And if he's looking at those
two things like more than anything else, then he would
be elite in his mind.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
He led the league in completion percentage a year ago
at seventy percent two years ago. Sorry, you know who
led the league last year? Dick's favorite to it led
the league last year. And he's in Gino's company, and
you're not calling him elite, right, So, but well, but
if he is in Gino's company, then he's a guy
that if he were four or five years younger, somebody
may want to give fifty five million dollars to.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I just think there is such a dearth now of
quality quarterbacks on the bottom half of bottom two thirds
of the NFL that a guy like that really stands out.
And I also wonder how much of that is Ryan
Grubb just trying to pump his own guy up right.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Well, but it's also gonna be dangerous because if you
say your quarterback is elite and then midway through the
season you don't have an elite passing game, who's it on.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
It's on the coach, It's on you totally. So I
don't know if I'd be doing that if I didn't
really think that he was.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Shows you the confidence Ryan Grubb has. I mean, again,
I don't know why coaches say things like this. I mean,
Scott Servis said that this is the best team he's
had since he's been here. Man, now they're floundering, all
right on Scot Mick Cronin came out the other day
and said, this is the deepest UCLA team he's ever had.
All right, then make the Final four him. No, I mean,
I don't know why coaches do this. All it does
is put more pressure on themselves to deliver. I will
(20:53):
guarantee you this. In the two years I've known Ryan Grubb,
the one thing he's not short on his confidence at all.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
That's right at all.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
And I would you know, if you're just talking about
as a passer, how the ball comes out of your hand. Yeah,
it looks elite to me. But you don't stay on
the bench for as long as Gino stayed on the bench.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
And you don't have to.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Really a season and a half of mediocre play as
a starter for Seattle. You had a much above average
first half of the first year, and then you have
been as Hugh would indicate absolutely Dictionary definition average over
the last year and a half.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
You don't do that if you're an elite quarterback.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Now, I think Ryan Grubb is far superior to Shane Waldron.
I'm hoping he's far superior, but I think he's far superior.
So we might be able to see Ryan Grubb take
Gino back to the Gino that he was in the
first eight games of twenty twenty two. And that's enough
for me. That's enough for me because I think that
Gino is enough to be a top ten twelve offense
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in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Well, I think Gino Smith this is the best offensive
lining he's had since he's been here in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
The one they have right now.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
And if he had the offensive line the NFL version
of what Pennix had in college, then forget it. I mean,
he did the best line in the NFL. And it's
interesting because Ryan Grubb, I want to go to number three,
was asked about investing on the offensive line and some
thoughts on the way that group has performed in practiced
so far.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
I got to make sure that, you know, like I
said before, we take care of Geno, and I think
the first thing is I would much rather overinvest in
protection and keep us up right and give ourselves a chance.
You know, the we had a couple of a B
gap problems today and that's that's exactly what you can't
have his interior problems. If it's off the edge, guys
can get out of it and get the ball out their
hands and stay in a man of both situations. So
(22:45):
number one, keeping your quarterback healthy. Number two obviously not
getting in a negative yardage situation. So and I think
you know, when you think about the deep ball and
the ball pushing to the perimeter of the field, yep,
those are some of the hardest throws, right are the
things that the defense is like, let's see you do that,
and so when you can become elite at those things,
(23:05):
defenses are like daring you to do, like push the
ball wide, show us you can compete and complete the
ball with with and then make accurate deep throws and
give him a chance. When you can become elite at that,
when you have those opportunities and chances, those are the
things sometimes at false secondary in an offense where people
don't emphasize that. And you know old saying, right, you
achieve what you emphasize. So we certainly do that.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Did big Olu start a game last year for them?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Okay, we know that Christian Haynes did because he was
in college. So when Ryan Grubbs says the interior of
the offensive line is having some issues, and that would
be Lake and Tomlinson, big Olu and Christian Haynes, right,
would be your three guys, I'm not surprised to hear
that at all. They've never played a game together. You
got two of the three guys that have never started
(23:54):
a game in the NFL, one guy who's never taken
a snap in the NFL. So after a week of
training camp, Dick or whatever, it's been so far. If
you're telling me that there's been some issues on the interior, hey,
I'm I'm fine with that. I mean, if he's telling
us this after, you know, the last preseason game or
you know, week four or five of the season, then
(24:14):
we're talking about maybe a personnel problem and different guys
getting to play. But I'm not surprised that the Seahawk
offensive line that has so many new guys together and
the Washington offensive line that's got so many new guys
together would have some issues in the first week in training.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Game.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, he did start.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
One game according to Pro Reference last year, but he
just played so sparingly. It was probably the biggest disappointment
of any of the any of the rookies, just because
of the lack of time that he was out there.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I mean, he was the talk of camp last year.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
At this time, everybody was talking about big Oldhu and
it just never came to fruition. But snaps you have
last year at one hundred and thirty snaps, that's nuts.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Two that's a game and a half, basically a half
games whatever.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
He so, you know, yeah, I'm concerned with both lines,
There's no question about it. Abe Lucas's injury makes me
even more concerned with that offensive line. But I mean,
it sounds like Ryan Grubb is just gonna pack everybody
in that box. He is gonna leave Ken Walker in
the block, He's gonna leave Zach Charbonay in the block,
He's gonna leave the tight ends in the block, and
hopefully the receivers can get open with Gino getting an
(25:18):
extra tick, and he shouldn't be able to get it
to his receivers with an extra tick.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
How did Ryan Grubb win the biggest game of the year.
I guess the Texas game was the biggest game of
the year, but the Organ game he won it by
pounding the ball down their throat is how he did it.
We went to USC and identified a weak USC rushing defense,
and he went for three hundred change.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Remember the argument pregame with Greg Lewis and what should
they do? Well, what do they do? They should run
the ball, but will they run the ball? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
They ran the ball right down their throat. So my
point is I think Ryan Grubbs sometimes gets unfairly pegged
as a passing guy. I mean, look, of course they
threw the ball a year ago. They had three players
that were taken in the first two rounds at wide receiver,
in a first round quarterback, a top ten quarterback. Of
(26:09):
course they're going to throw the ball. Okay, So what
happens when Ryan Grubb doesn't have that kind of talent
and he may have that talent at wide receiver, not
at quarterback, no, right, but that wide receiver. Yeah, well
maybe he thinks he does. I just think this. I
think Ryan Grubb at his heart is an offensive line
running guy that wants to build the best offensive line
(26:32):
possible and be able to do it all.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
And he proved that when he was the OC that
he could do it all.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
He can win any game he had to try and
win any style of game except for the Michigan game.
They were just outclassed by them defensively. I can't wait
for this guy. I've been telling you guys that I'm
more fired up dick for the coaches than i am
the players on this team. I'm more curious to see
what Ryan Grubb does as a play caller than I
am anybody else as a player on offense.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
One.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I think I feel that way about both of our
football team.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yeah, I feel that way about the Huskies too, because
you know, you would hope that the coach is going
to be around longer than the playoff players. Now in
this situation, we're not sure that the coach is going
to be around longer than the players.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
But you would think.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I mean, these players, especially in college football now just
come and go, come and go, come and go. And
if we see a system with Jed Fish even close
to what we saw with Ryan Grubb and Kaylin de boor,
you know, Jed's gonna get the talent. Look at his
recruiting class.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, but then does he take all that talent to
his next school? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
In the meantime, let's go ten and two and then
find the next guys.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I just wonder if Husky fans are gonna be bitter
and bitching about Jedfish the way they bitch about Kailyn
de Bor.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Let's hope. So because that means Jedfish was awesome. I'm
fine with that. I'm totally fine with that.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
If you told me every two years, we're going twenty
five and three and a new guy comes in room,
where do I sign up? But I mean, we're literally
expecting Jedfish to do the same thing. That Kaylen to
board did right, Yes, I mean maybe Jed Fish will
write a letter and make people feel better about it.
Is that really what people are pissed off about? I mean, really,
that's soft in this town people. He didn't say goodbone,
(28:12):
he didn't write a letter. Really, that's what you're angry about.
That's what you're because he didn't call you and give
you a pat on your took us on the way
out the door.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
That's what you're pissed about.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
No, come on, man, I mean, there's nothing you should
not be pissed about anything with Kaylin de Bore anything.
And if Jedfish wins like Kaitlan did, you shouldn't be
pissed about him either. We're gonna break textimonials coming next
on ninety three three kJ A RFM
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