October 16, 2024 • 16 mins
RJ Choppy, sports radio host on 105.3 The Fan in Dallas, joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about Jerry Jones joining his show yesterday, making threats about the weekly interview with the show, why Jones snapped now, and if followed up on the chat.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you think I'm interested in a phone call with
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you over a radio and sitting here and throwing all
the good app with the dishwater, you have got to
be smoking something over there this morning. I'm not. This
is not your job. Your job is to let me
go over all the reasons that I did something and
I'm sorry that I did it. That's not your job. Well,
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my job is that ask one job, or I'll get another.
I'll get somebody else to ask these questions.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Man, tell me about what your life has been like
in the last twenty four hours. How many idiots in
this business like us have you heard from since the
Jerry Jones conversation the other day?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
You know, it's amazing you don't hear from people for
a while, and then guys like you text me out
of nowhere and it asked.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Me to come on. It's uh, yeah, I've heard quite
a bit. Like I.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I went to bed last night and I woke up
this morning, I had I still had thirty three unread
text messages from the day before that I didn't finish
and get to. By the time the show was on,
the number was over fifty. I just got it down
to seventeen and that's where I'm Matt right now. And
I haven't even gone to my direct messages on other social.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Media accounts, so I have no idea what that's.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Going to be.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Like, I I just need I need the weekend. I
need Friday to come here so I can just sit
down and I honestly probably just go in the bathroom
for about thirty minutes to take care of it all.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Well, it's just bizarre how it just the conversation kind
of devolved, you know, at the end, and he made
it devolve at the end. And then Jerry doubles down
today and goes on the Athletic and says, quote, if
I'm gonna get grilled by the tribunal, I don't need
it to be guys, I'm paying. So let's get that
out there.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
R J.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Are you being paid by Jerry Jones?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
No, I would gladly take the money.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
You know, he wants to pay me. He can, he
can hand me a list of questions. But no, he doesn't.
He isn't the he doesn't pay the station, he doesn't
pay us. Yeah, so no, I've never been paid by him.
I'll tell you that right now.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Well that that quote, I mean the way I took
it is that he's basically saying we are partners. I'm
on your radio station, and I expect, you know, a little,
a little consideration being a broadcast partner. I mean when
he said, you know, I pay you, I think that's
what he meant that you know we are we're in
business together. Are you concerned about Jerry pulling the team
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off the radio station because you keep busting his balls.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
No, we're not concerned about that. I mean, the company
has been great, They've they've stood behind us. He's Jerry
has never done this before.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I truly think that he was like yeah, because he's.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Never been sensitive, Like to his credit, of all the
owners and all the general managers in town, he's the
least sensitive of.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Any of them.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
He really is, like he doesn't want you to get
per with him. He doesn't much talk family, you know,
but if you just talk football or the team or whatever,
he's totally fine with that.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
He's never never once said something to us.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I think the only time he called us up is
we called him a liar one time and he took
offense to that.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
And that's it. That's it, And that was what five
ten years ago. It was a long time ago. Yeah,
we've been doing this for fourteen years.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
We do twenty of these a year, so I mean
that's what almost three hundred interviews that we've done with him,
and he's never done this before.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
And I part of me.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Thinks he came into this on edge. Part of me
thinks he came into this wanting to make a statement
and let the fans know that he was just as
angry as they are, and it got a little sideways.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, well, r J Choppy from one all five through
the fan is with us coast of Sean and RJ
Monday through fridayral time. Just go back and maybe clean
that up a little bit. So for people that know,
and you said it right there, you you and Sean
have been doing this show for a long time. You've
had Jerry on for a long time. Obviously he's very open,
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he's very honest. Not many owners, if any owners, in
the NFL are doing radio shows. But the guy also
happens to be the damn GM for crying out loud
and this was this was not normal for him. It
was not normal for him to lose his mind like this.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
It is not normal. This is not normal for him.
To do that. He never loses his clue. Cool.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
We ask him, you know, fifteen questions a week. You know,
these interviews go on about twenty minutes, probably not fifteen,
he can get long winded, but they're twenty twenty minute interviews.
This one is closer to thirty. It's never gone like this.
I don't when I say it's never gone like this,
I mean it's never even come close.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
And we've asked him much more difficult and much more
like pointed questions like this. This was very very These
are very tame questions. We haven't even gotten into a
lot of the hard hitting stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
That we wanted to talk about. But it just, I mean,
he kind of dictated where it wanted to go. It's
never gotten like this.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
If you were to tell me, if you were to
give me, if you were to have me show you
the list of questions that we asked over the years.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
I could I could come up with twenty five.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Different interviews that we've asked him more difficult questions than
this one.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
And that that was a surprising.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
Well, I guess it's just because the circumstances have changed
right now, I mean, he's it seems to me like
he's legitimately feeling the heat. Is that Is that your
explanation for why he would snap now and never snap
before at hard questions?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, I mean I think that's that's part of it.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I mean, you you're you know, he's getting older. He
understands that he doesn't have fifty years left it he's
got you know, it's a more finite number.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
And he wants to win, like, make no mistake about like.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Jerry wants to win another super Bowl. And all the
fans can say Jerry doesn't care about winning.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
No, No, he cares about winning.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I think he cares about winning his way, but he
absolutely cares about winning.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
And that's that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I do think he is feeling pressure from that standpoin
because I also think that he knows that he messed
up in the off.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Season with the offseason right with the moves.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
And I think that that you know, eats at him
every day.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
He's probably really sensitive about that particular question, and that
was the one that seemed to have set him off
obviously on your show. But look, I mean from you know,
two thousand miles away, RJ, and again r J. CHAPPI
from one O five to three to the fan in
Dallas had the now infamous interview with Jerry Jones on
his show the other day. You know, we got people
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up here that are pissed off at the Mariners, right,
only team in baseball too, have never played in the
World Series. You know, go down there, Boycott, put bags
on your head, blah blah blah. I mean, our cowboy
fans getting to a point where we might see some
of that, And has that even maybe already happened a
little bit down there?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
You know, it hasn't. Like, Okay, so it's happened. I mean,
the ratings are still good, right, and there's there's one
hundred thousand peoples in people in the stadium, So from
that standpoint, no, it hasn't. But there is a large segment,
or at least a vocal segment of the fan base
that is happy when other teams take over the stadium
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because they think this is like finally going to get
you know, this is this is going to send the
message to Jerry. But they also think those same people
also think that Jerry doesn't care as.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Long as the stadium is sold out.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
So it's really a puzzle, right, And I'm sure every
fan Base has said something like that, right, because every fan,
every town has that one owner. But I don't think Jerry.
I don't think Jerry like Yes. I think a part
of it is the show. He wants the show. He
wants to win his way. I think he would much
rather lose as the GM than win with somebody else
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calling the shots. I don't think it would mean the
same to him to win that way, and I think
that is part of the problem, and I think that
is a major reason why this team hasn't won and
so on.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
I've heard a lot of words used to describe the
Dallas Cowboys over the years, but the word I heard
Tony Kornheiser use yesterday of irrelevant, is not one I've
ever heard before. What did you think of him calling
the Cowboys on National TV an irrelevant franchise?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Well, Tony Kornheiser, last I checked, it's still on ESPN,
and ESPN can't go a day without talking about the
Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Oh god, right.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I don't know that that word is the right word.
But when it comes to.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
The actual NFL and winning Super Bowls, yeah, they're they're
They're irrelevant from that standpoint.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
They don't win they don't ever win. Now, they go
the playoffs a lot. They've just watched all this is.
You know, this team hasn't drafted a quarterback in the
first round since Troy Aikman, yet they still go to
the playoffs like every year. Like that just doesn't happen
in today's NFL.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Right, It's just it's a much more difficult league to
build a team without an elite quarterback and go there.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
And they've had really good quarterbacks. They just have an
elite one. But I can't sit here and say they're
irrelevant the entire like are we We We get to
eight o'clock in.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
The morning every day or nine o'clock and we watch
Get Up and First Take. They're on the TV in
the studio. It's it's all they're talking about. It's either
that or or Lebron James or something like that. It's
every single day. You can't say they're irrelevant.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, you and r J Shoppy again from one on
five to three in Dallas with us, You and you
and Sean have given ESPN content for weeks now with
this interview. I mean, are you kid me? It's all
I've heard for for the last thirty six hours on
that network and on national TV. Is everybody talking about you?
I'm getting sick of it. For God's sake, our Ja,
this r J. That enough already for crying out loud man,
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It's all over the place. But have you have you
guys heard from Jerry? I know we talked to Diana Russini.
Have you guys heard from him texted with him since
the interview yesterday?
Speaker 3 (10:24):
We we have not, and truthfully we don't. I don't
even have Jerry's number. He's never called us. If he knows,
I mean, he knows who we are, but I don't
know that he actually does know who we are.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
We've we've we've met a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
We I have a the company my fiance works for.
Her her owner of that company is very close to Jerry.
So I've met through him a couple of times. But
it's I mean, that's the extent of it. If you
about if he were to walk right by me in
the street, I think you have no idea.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
I am so no. He hasn't reached out. I I
don't expect him to.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
If he wants to come on the show on Tuesday,
we'll have him on the show on you know, on Tuesday.
But I I I thought there was a chance before
he thought of Diana Rassini, I thought there was a
chance he would come on today and call up out
of the blue and just.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Clear the air.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
But the moment he he talked to Rassini and said,
you know that I'm paying those guys comment. Yeah, I
I I thought that at that.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Point that wasn't gonna happen. So I don't know. We're
gonna'll find out what he said, what he does r J.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
From the team standpoint, what's it gonna take for McCarthy
to keep his job next year? What does he have
to do?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
The conventional wisdom is that he needs to reach the
NFC Championship game.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
That that's the base.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
The guess that that that's the that's the that's the
best guess any of us can come up with.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Truthfully, No what he knows, Jerry decided that he wants
to keep him. Jerry might love him. I don't know.
I don't know. He might he might love the guy.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Now, Jason Garrett was family and he gave Jason ten years.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
I don't think that happened. I truly think, you know,
I truly think Mike.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Has to win at least one, you know, one or
two playoff games to make it, and I don't I
don't think that even satisfies it.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
If they lose in the NFC championship game, yeah, and it's.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
A bad loss, and they lose to San Francisco again,
or they get pumped by Detroit again.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I don't think it's out of the romal possibility that
he moves on. But I don't know where he goes.
I don't know where he goes. I don't, I don't know.
I don't think Bill's coming here.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Well, I would love to know RJ before you go.
RJ choppy again from one O five three the Fan
in Dallas. They had that interview with Jerry Jones. Everybody's
talking about it yesterday on their radio station. There's there's
no GM in football. There's no GM in sports that
would last thirty years without making a conference or league
championship game, which is what Jerry Jones the GM has done, right.
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I mean, have you ever asked him, Hey, look, man,
we know you want to win, we know you love Dallas,
we know you love the Dallas Cowboys. Why should you
still be the GM when no other GM would survive
as long as you have. Have you ever asked him that?
Speaker 4 (13:17):
We have asked that question a million times.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Wow, good for you, and.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Not just him, not just us.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Everybody in town that's ever taught to him has asked them.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
And I had a question written down that I was going.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
To throw it him in that interview on Tuesday, and
I was like, because he's a businessman, right. He may
be the owner of the Cowboys, but he's got a
million businesses. And I was gonna say, like, if you've
done something the same way over and over in one
of your other businesses and you work getting the desired results,
you probably do something differently. But with your football team,
you continue to do things the same way and keep
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the structure of the organization the same way. And that's
just insane, right, It's just you would.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Think that that is.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
That that is something that just would not go overwell
in the business role, But why does it go overwell here?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Right?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
And He's always had the same answer, like, at the
end of the day, if I hire somebody to be
the GM, every decision they make, they're gonna have to
get my approval anyway, So why don't I just cut
out the middleman and not worry about that.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Okay, I can see the wheels. I can see how
the wheels would turn in that direction, right, I could
see it.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
You know, if you're the boss, you're gonna have to
You're gonna have to get approval anyway.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
It just doesn't work like that in the NFL. It
don't words that professional sports. What owner other than Dave
Keepper basically calls the shots like.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, well you just ask him. Why do you trust anybody?
Why do you trust somebody? Why don't you hire a
good football mind? Then just trust the guy. I mean
big stuff, right, Yeah, you get involved. But does he
not trust people?
Speaker 4 (14:52):
He's an oil guy? Was he out there with the
survey's doing? Did he bring that what do they call
those things where you scan the beach for metal? Right, yeah,
we'd be out there like tapping for oil.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
No, he had somebody, He had surveyors and engineers and
do all that.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
It's just the way he is. He doesn't want to
do it. He doesn't fundamentally believe. But that is the
right way to run. Look, it's his team. He can
run how he wants. It's just nobody else decides to
run like that.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Crazy stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Man.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Hey, I'm proud of you right from from humble beginnings
to where you are today. You really have made progress
in your broadcasting career. And I've been waiting a long
time to say that, and I finally could say it today.
So congratulations, Pal.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
We are we were almost so we're almost a Sean
and I are almost a We're almost one full man
and one full broad.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I love it, all right, dude, go get him man,
good luck with all those messages. Thanks for doing this
and we'll talk soon.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Love you guys. Been good all right?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
RJ Choppy with us from Dallas, Man, and I would
love to get my hands on a Jerry Jones interview,
have him on the air and just ask him exactly
that do you not trust people? You know, when you
got the as RJ said, when you got in the
oil business, you weren't out there drilling for oil and
the golf you had people there were the for you.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
The hell, Jerry, you're a successful businessman. Why do you
throw away money by giving Dak Prescott's seventy million dollars
a year.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
We'll gotta break. Mike Florio is going to join next
ninety three to three KJRFM,
If you think I'm interested in a phone call with
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you over a radio and sitting here and throwing all
the good app with the dishwater, you have got to
be smoking something over there this morning. I'm not. This
is not your job. Your job is to let me
go over all the reasons that I did something and
I'm sorry that I did it. That's not your job. Well,
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my job is that ask one job, or I'll get another.
I'll get somebody else to ask these questions.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Man, tell me about what your life has been like
in the last twenty four hours. How many idiots in
this business like us have you heard from since the
Jerry Jones conversation the other day?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
You know, it's amazing you don't hear from people for
a while, and then guys like you text me out
of nowhere and it asked.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Me to come on. It's uh, yeah, I've heard quite
a bit. Like I.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I went to bed last night and I woke up
this morning, I had I still had thirty three unread
text messages from the day before that I didn't finish
and get to. By the time the show was on,
the number was over fifty. I just got it down
to seventeen and that's where I'm Matt right now. And
I haven't even gone to my direct messages on other social.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Media accounts, so I have no idea what that's.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Going to be.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Like, I I just need I need the weekend. I
need Friday to come here so I can just sit
down and I honestly probably just go in the bathroom
for about thirty minutes to take care of it all.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Well, it's just bizarre how it just the conversation kind
of devolved, you know, at the end, and he made
it devolve at the end. And then Jerry doubles down
today and goes on the Athletic and says, quote, if
I'm gonna get grilled by the tribunal, I don't need
it to be guys, I'm paying. So let's get that
out there.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
R J.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Are you being paid by Jerry Jones?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
No, I would gladly take the money.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
You know, he wants to pay me. He can, he
can hand me a list of questions. But no, he doesn't.
He isn't the he doesn't pay the station, he doesn't
pay us. Yeah, so no, I've never been paid by him.
I'll tell you that right now.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Well that that quote, I mean the way I took
it is that he's basically saying we are partners. I'm
on your radio station, and I expect, you know, a little,
a little consideration being a broadcast partner. I mean when
he said, you know, I pay you, I think that's
what he meant that you know we are we're in
business together. Are you concerned about Jerry pulling the team
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off the radio station because you keep busting his balls.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
No, we're not concerned about that. I mean, the company
has been great, They've they've stood behind us. He's Jerry
has never done this before.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I truly think that he was like yeah, because he's.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Never been sensitive, Like to his credit, of all the
owners and all the general managers in town, he's the
least sensitive of.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Any of them.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
He really is, like he doesn't want you to get
per with him. He doesn't much talk family, you know,
but if you just talk football or the team or whatever,
he's totally fine with that.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
He's never never once said something to us.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I think the only time he called us up is
we called him a liar one time and he took
offense to that.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
And that's it. That's it, And that was what five
ten years ago. It was a long time ago. Yeah,
we've been doing this for fourteen years.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
We do twenty of these a year, so I mean
that's what almost three hundred interviews that we've done with him,
and he's never done this before.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
And I part of me.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Thinks he came into this on edge. Part of me
thinks he came into this wanting to make a statement
and let the fans know that he was just as
angry as they are, and it got a little sideways.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, well, r J Choppy from one all five through
the fan is with us coast of Sean and RJ
Monday through fridayral time. Just go back and maybe clean
that up a little bit. So for people that know,
and you said it right there, you you and Sean
have been doing this show for a long time. You've
had Jerry on for a long time. Obviously he's very open,
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he's very honest. Not many owners, if any owners, in
the NFL are doing radio shows. But the guy also
happens to be the damn GM for crying out loud
and this was this was not normal for him. It
was not normal for him to lose his mind like this.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
It is not normal. This is not normal for him.
To do that. He never loses his clue. Cool.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
We ask him, you know, fifteen questions a week. You know,
these interviews go on about twenty minutes, probably not fifteen,
he can get long winded, but they're twenty twenty minute interviews.
This one is closer to thirty. It's never gone like this.
I don't when I say it's never gone like this,
I mean it's never even come close.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
And we've asked him much more difficult and much more
like pointed questions like this. This was very very These
are very tame questions. We haven't even gotten into a
lot of the hard hitting stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
That we wanted to talk about. But it just, I mean,
he kind of dictated where it wanted to go. It's
never gotten like this.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
If you were to tell me, if you were to
give me, if you were to have me show you
the list of questions that we asked over the years.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
I could I could come up with twenty five.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Different interviews that we've asked him more difficult questions than
this one.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
And that that was a surprising.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
Well, I guess it's just because the circumstances have changed
right now, I mean, he's it seems to me like
he's legitimately feeling the heat. Is that Is that your
explanation for why he would snap now and never snap
before at hard questions?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, I mean I think that's that's part of it.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I mean, you you're you know, he's getting older. He
understands that he doesn't have fifty years left it he's
got you know, it's a more finite number.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
And he wants to win, like, make no mistake about like.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Jerry wants to win another super Bowl. And all the
fans can say Jerry doesn't care about winning.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
No, No, he cares about winning.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I think he cares about winning his way, but he
absolutely cares about winning.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
And that's that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I do think he is feeling pressure from that standpoin
because I also think that he knows that he messed
up in the off.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Season with the offseason right with the moves.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
And I think that that you know, eats at him
every day.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
He's probably really sensitive about that particular question, and that
was the one that seemed to have set him off
obviously on your show. But look, I mean from you know,
two thousand miles away, RJ, and again r J. CHAPPI
from one O five to three to the fan in
Dallas had the now infamous interview with Jerry Jones on
his show the other day. You know, we got people
(06:47):
up here that are pissed off at the Mariners, right,
only team in baseball too, have never played in the
World Series. You know, go down there, Boycott, put bags
on your head, blah blah blah. I mean, our cowboy
fans getting to a point where we might see some
of that, And has that even maybe already happened a
little bit down there?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
You know, it hasn't. Like, Okay, so it's happened. I mean,
the ratings are still good, right, and there's there's one
hundred thousand peoples in people in the stadium, So from
that standpoint, no, it hasn't. But there is a large segment,
or at least a vocal segment of the fan base
that is happy when other teams take over the stadium
(07:31):
because they think this is like finally going to get
you know, this is this is going to send the
message to Jerry. But they also think those same people
also think that Jerry doesn't care as.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Long as the stadium is sold out.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
So it's really a puzzle, right, And I'm sure every
fan Base has said something like that, right, because every fan,
every town has that one owner. But I don't think Jerry.
I don't think Jerry like Yes. I think a part
of it is the show. He wants the show. He
wants to win his way. I think he would much
rather lose as the GM than win with somebody else
(08:09):
calling the shots. I don't think it would mean the
same to him to win that way, and I think
that is part of the problem, and I think that
is a major reason why this team hasn't won and
so on.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
I've heard a lot of words used to describe the
Dallas Cowboys over the years, but the word I heard
Tony Kornheiser use yesterday of irrelevant, is not one I've
ever heard before. What did you think of him calling
the Cowboys on National TV an irrelevant franchise?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Well, Tony Kornheiser, last I checked, it's still on ESPN,
and ESPN can't go a day without talking about the
Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Oh god, right.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I don't know that that word is the right word.
But when it comes to.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
The actual NFL and winning Super Bowls, yeah, they're they're
They're irrelevant from that standpoint.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
They don't win they don't ever win. Now, they go
the playoffs a lot. They've just watched all this is.
You know, this team hasn't drafted a quarterback in the
first round since Troy Aikman, yet they still go to
the playoffs like every year. Like that just doesn't happen
in today's NFL.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Right, It's just it's a much more difficult league to
build a team without an elite quarterback and go there.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
And they've had really good quarterbacks. They just have an
elite one. But I can't sit here and say they're
irrelevant the entire like are we We We get to
eight o'clock in.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
The morning every day or nine o'clock and we watch
Get Up and First Take. They're on the TV in
the studio. It's it's all they're talking about. It's either
that or or Lebron James or something like that. It's
every single day. You can't say they're irrelevant.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, you and r J Shoppy again from one on
five to three in Dallas with us, You and you
and Sean have given ESPN content for weeks now with
this interview. I mean, are you kid me? It's all
I've heard for for the last thirty six hours on
that network and on national TV. Is everybody talking about you?
I'm getting sick of it. For God's sake, our Ja,
this r J. That enough already for crying out loud man,
(10:11):
It's all over the place. But have you have you
guys heard from Jerry? I know we talked to Diana Russini.
Have you guys heard from him texted with him since
the interview yesterday?
Speaker 3 (10:24):
We we have not, and truthfully we don't. I don't
even have Jerry's number. He's never called us. If he knows,
I mean, he knows who we are, but I don't
know that he actually does know who we are.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
We've we've we've met a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
We I have a the company my fiance works for.
Her her owner of that company is very close to Jerry.
So I've met through him a couple of times. But
it's I mean, that's the extent of it. If you
about if he were to walk right by me in
the street, I think you have no idea.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
I am so no. He hasn't reached out. I I
don't expect him to.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
If he wants to come on the show on Tuesday,
we'll have him on the show on you know, on Tuesday.
But I I I thought there was a chance before
he thought of Diana Rassini, I thought there was a
chance he would come on today and call up out
of the blue and just.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Clear the air.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
But the moment he he talked to Rassini and said,
you know that I'm paying those guys comment. Yeah, I
I I thought that at that.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Point that wasn't gonna happen. So I don't know. We're
gonna'll find out what he said, what he does r J.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
From the team standpoint, what's it gonna take for McCarthy
to keep his job next year? What does he have
to do?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
The conventional wisdom is that he needs to reach the
NFC Championship game.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
That that's the base.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
The guess that that that's the that's the that's the
best guess any of us can come up with.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Truthfully, No what he knows, Jerry decided that he wants
to keep him. Jerry might love him. I don't know.
I don't know. He might he might love the guy.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Now, Jason Garrett was family and he gave Jason ten years.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
I don't think that happened. I truly think, you know,
I truly think Mike.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Has to win at least one, you know, one or
two playoff games to make it, and I don't I
don't think that even satisfies it.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
If they lose in the NFC championship game, yeah, and it's.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
A bad loss, and they lose to San Francisco again,
or they get pumped by Detroit again.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I don't think it's out of the romal possibility that
he moves on. But I don't know where he goes.
I don't know where he goes. I don't, I don't know.
I don't think Bill's coming here.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Well, I would love to know RJ before you go.
RJ choppy again from one O five three the Fan
in Dallas. They had that interview with Jerry Jones. Everybody's
talking about it yesterday on their radio station. There's there's
no GM in football. There's no GM in sports that
would last thirty years without making a conference or league
championship game, which is what Jerry Jones the GM has done, right.
(13:03):
I mean, have you ever asked him, Hey, look, man,
we know you want to win, we know you love Dallas,
we know you love the Dallas Cowboys. Why should you
still be the GM when no other GM would survive
as long as you have. Have you ever asked him that?
Speaker 4 (13:17):
We have asked that question a million times.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Wow, good for you, and.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Not just him, not just us.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Everybody in town that's ever taught to him has asked them.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
And I had a question written down that I was going.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
To throw it him in that interview on Tuesday, and
I was like, because he's a businessman, right. He may
be the owner of the Cowboys, but he's got a
million businesses. And I was gonna say, like, if you've
done something the same way over and over in one
of your other businesses and you work getting the desired results,
you probably do something differently. But with your football team,
you continue to do things the same way and keep
(13:53):
the structure of the organization the same way. And that's
just insane, right, It's just you would.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Think that that is.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
That that is something that just would not go overwell
in the business role, But why does it go overwell here?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Right?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
And He's always had the same answer, like, at the
end of the day, if I hire somebody to be
the GM, every decision they make, they're gonna have to
get my approval anyway, So why don't I just cut
out the middleman and not worry about that.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Okay, I can see the wheels. I can see how
the wheels would turn in that direction, right, I could
see it.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
You know, if you're the boss, you're gonna have to
You're gonna have to get approval anyway.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
It just doesn't work like that in the NFL. It
don't words that professional sports. What owner other than Dave
Keepper basically calls the shots like.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, well you just ask him. Why do you trust anybody?
Why do you trust somebody? Why don't you hire a
good football mind? Then just trust the guy. I mean
big stuff, right, Yeah, you get involved. But does he
not trust people?
Speaker 4 (14:52):
He's an oil guy? Was he out there with the
survey's doing? Did he bring that what do they call
those things where you scan the beach for metal? Right, yeah,
we'd be out there like tapping for oil.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
No, he had somebody, He had surveyors and engineers and
do all that.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
It's just the way he is. He doesn't want to
do it. He doesn't fundamentally believe. But that is the
right way to run. Look, it's his team. He can
run how he wants. It's just nobody else decides to
run like that.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Crazy stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Man.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Hey, I'm proud of you right from from humble beginnings
to where you are today. You really have made progress
in your broadcasting career. And I've been waiting a long
time to say that, and I finally could say it today.
So congratulations, Pal.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
We are we were almost so we're almost a Sean
and I are almost a We're almost one full man
and one full broad.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I love it, all right, dude, go get him man,
good luck with all those messages. Thanks for doing this
and we'll talk soon.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Love you guys. Been good all right?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
RJ Choppy with us from Dallas, Man, and I would
love to get my hands on a Jerry Jones interview,
have him on the air and just ask him exactly
that do you not trust people? You know, when you
got the as RJ said, when you got in the
oil business, you weren't out there drilling for oil and
the golf you had people there were the for you.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
The hell, Jerry, you're a successful businessman. Why do you
throw away money by giving Dak Prescott's seventy million dollars
a year.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
We'll gotta break. Mike Florio is going to join next
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