April 22, 2025 • 17 mins
Chris Price from the Boston Globe and Tony Smith from 1010XL Radio in Jacksonville join Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to share their insights into what the Patriots and Jaguars are going to do with the fourth and fifth picks in the NFL Draft this Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm a right a lot to talk about the top
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three picks in the NFL draft, But now about the
Patriots making a brand new head coach and Mike Vrabel
Gerrodmeo fired after year number one. Patriots allowed the fifth
most sacks last season. Lost, some offensive line have been made,
a bunch of moves in free agencies. So let's find
out what the Patriots are doing. Our friend Chris Price
from Boston joining us, staying up late baby on a
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Tuesday night for us right here on KJR.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
How are you man?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I'm doing great, buddy. How you doing man? Long time
no talk?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, good man, It's good. Dave be back on the
radio show.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So I feel like all the talk is about the
top three picks and then not much chatter about what
the Patriots are doing there at number four. So new
era with Mike Vrabel coming in. Mayo whacked after a year.
Do you believe in Drake may is the long term
answer at quarterback? And if so, what does he need
to be successful?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
He needs a left tackle and another wide receiver is
what he needs right now. They went out and they
really did well. I think fortifying the defensive side of
the ball when it comes to free agency, guys like
Milton Williams, you know, Carlton Davis. They really added to
what was already a decent defense. You're going to see
the Patriots do more attacking up front. You're gonna see
the Patriots being a lot more aggressive upfront a lot
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of times the last few years, and you know, going
all the way back to the Belichick era, it was
more about kind of occupying space, the big, out, rocky
back space, as opposed to being penetrative guys. These guys,
the Milton Williams type, get bar more back, Keon White,
these guys are going to be far more aggressive. And
so I think the defensive side of the ball, they've
done really a lot of really good work adding to
that group. They just need to get a left tackle.
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They need to get a wide receiver. And they struck
out in free agency really to a large extent. They
struck out free agency because they went after Godwin, who
turned them down. They added an extra twenty million dollars,
they still turned them down and went back to Tampa Bay.
They couldn't find a left tackle. And so those are
the two positions of need as we sit here going
into the draft of the New England Patriots.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
All the talk is about the first three picks off
the alluded to and do you think, Chris, that they
can get a better player at four, then they could
get at six or.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Seven marginally, Look, this draft is proving and I've talked
to people in Foxborough. It's a struggle to trade down
this year. Out of that fourth spot. It's a lot
easier for them to trade up from thirty eight. I
could see that they have four picks in the top
one hundred and so I could see them maybe packaging
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thirty eight and maybe one of their thirds to try
and move up to the middle of the first round.
But I think when it comes to the fourth overall pick,
they're stuck there. And so if my short answer to
who they're going to take is if Carter and Hunter
are off the board at four, they're going after Will Campbell.
Now we talk about them needing a left tackle. The
big debate up peers are Will Campbell's arms long enough
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to play left tackle? So they would take him, they
would try him at left tackle, and if it didn't work,
they'd moved the left guard, and you'd feel pretty good
about left guard. And they even kind of mix and
match with some of the guys in the roster, some
left tackle possibilities out there, but that would theoretically take
care of one of your problems. As you mentioned right
off the top, they're providing more support for a guy
like Drake by Well.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Chris Price is with us from Boston.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Patriots have the number four pick in the draft coming up,
and I guess I'm trying to figure out who's in
charge right of this thing. I mean, it was Belichick
obviously for years and years and years. But is Mike
Rabel making the final call?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Here?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Is Elliott Wolf making the final call? Who's making these
calls on draft day for the Patriots?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Man? As I understand, And what do you have right
now is you have Ryan Cowden who was brought into
be kind of an assistant personnel guy to a Wolf
Rabel's guy. Basically, you have elite Wolf and you have
some other guys who are personal evaluators at grow a
Lotto high Smith bringing Rabel a handful of names, but
Mike Rabel really has the loudest voice in the room.
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There is a pretty good consensus as I understand it,
at least so far, at least there has been throughout
free agency when it comes to guys like deciding to
go after Stefan Diggs, deciding to go out Morgan, Moses,
Carlon Davis, all those names, but Rabel still has the
final say in a lot of ways. Again, it's been
a real collaborative effort on their part, but the head
coach is still making the He's still a primary decision
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maker when it comes to personnel moves.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Tell us some more about what you saw in Drake
May in year number one. I mean, how confident are
you that this is the guy for a long long time.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
He made rookie mistakes, but he was never an error
repeater in my estimation. You know, when he did have
a bad practice, when he did have a bad game,
when he had a bad play, he was able to
bounce back, he was able to shake it off, and
he was able to move forward. And so as we
saw over the course of the year, he got better.
The numbers got better, as he was out there more often,
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as he assumed the role of leader, as he assumed
the role of QB one, we saw those mistakes start
to get smaller and smaller and less and less consequential.
I guess it's probably the best course of you know,
the best phrase that I could use. But really, he
wasn't an air repeater. He wasn't a guy who would
make the same bad throw twice. There were bad throws,
and he got into trouble a lot of times over
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the course of the year by trying to do too much,
you know, running for his life behind a leaky offensive line. Theoretically,
now you know you have Morgan Moses, you're gonna bring
back some of the guys in that offensive line. Call
Strange is feeling better. And again maybe if you get
Will Campbell, you can plug him in a left tackle
or left guard and he's gonna have a little bit
more time back there, and you're gonna have a little
you know, you're gonna have another option or two in
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the passing to help out as well.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Okay, Chris, before you go for those just tuning in,
you kind of gave it away. But Ward's off the board,
Hunters off the board, Carter's off the board. Make the
pick for the Patriots in that scenario right now at
number four, who do.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
You want Will cambll offensive lineman out of Louisiana State again,
If you can't trade back Yep, they're gonna go for
him and then ultimately what they're what they're going to
try and do. I still believe they're going to try
and trade up at out of thirty eight to the
later stages of the first round and end up trying
to get a wide receiver or some more help along
that offensive line.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Chris, you're the man, great stuff. Enjoy the draft and
we'll talk soon, buddy.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Appreciate it, pal, Take care, guys talk soon.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
You bet. Chris Price from Boston. What do you say?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
We keep it here, but go over to number five
because I gotta tell you, man, we are We love
having this guy on, but he's got to be sick
and tired of going on radio shows talking about the
Jaguars picking in the top five.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
This is the tenth time in the.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Last twelve years that the Jaguars have picked in the
top five of the NFL Draft. Sorry, tenth time going
back to twenty twelve. Only one guy. We have to
talk about that man, he always says, yes. Ten ten
Xcel Radio in Jacksonville. Fat Tony Smith, fat Tony, how
are you man.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Doing well? Fellas?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Appreciate you having me on again.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well, we appreciate you doing this.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I mean, it just feels like groundhog day, honestly, Like,
how how ridiculous is this? Like, you know, normally teams
every now and then fired up for a draft pick
this high. But ten times since twenty twelve you've had
a top five pick in the draft.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
This has got to be getting sickening already down.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
There, no doubt, And thankfully this time it was sickening
enough that the owner decided to let go of.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
The coach in the GM.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
So there is a completely new direction. It feels like
from a front office standpoint for this team, they got
a first time offensive coordinator, first time head coach, first
time defensive coordinator, first time GM. So it's a lot
of new and so there's a lot of people taking
guesses that how the Jaguars feel about different things with
this draft. Nobody knows anything about what's going on in
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that building.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
They have been so tight lift, no top thirty visits.
Nobody knows.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
But everyone's guessing what is going to happen. Everyone's talking
the draft's going to start at four or five, depending
on which of those teams wants to bite and do
something unexpected.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
First, well, since you don't have a game plan, and
you haven't seen what this group has been able to
do because they haven't been around.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I'll just leave it up to you.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Would it be better for the Jags to go lower
floor safer pick, like a Mason Graham type guy or
a flashier, higher upside guy.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Yeah. I think it's tough to figure it out. And
something Obviously we've been talking about Mason Graham now for
a couple of months, right and him being attached to
the Jaguars, and I can understand why he's called kind
of the safer pick. And then I hear people talk
about Mason Graham and I go, what about that sounds safe?
Except you're in a bad draft, right, Like I do
think it's just kind of a bad draft. But when
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they talk about Mason Graham, virtually everyone you see ranking
the players at the top of this draft have Mason
Graham is what the fourth fifth best player available in
the whole draft, and most of these places, I get
that it's not a great draft, so there might only
be the potential for one potentially special kind of prospect
available when the Jags are on the clock and Ashton genty,
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So there is the discussion being had, and the one
we've been having about do you take the chance on
an Ashton Gendy And the chance.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Is about the position. It's not about the player.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
It's the position of running back in the top five
of the NFL Draft. It's not all that common the
teams are willing to do that kind of thing. Do
I think that the new brain trust in JACKSONA was
willing to be bold if they think that's.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
The right direction to go.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Absolutely, But I don't think it's a group that's going
to be super risky as they go through the draft.
And I don't think when you talk about Ashington Genty
that's not risky Like Ashton Genty isn't a risky pick.
It's a bold pick because he's a running back in
the top five, not because he will hit or won't hit.
As a player. The expectation is that Genty's going to
be a great player when he gets into the league wherever.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
He happens to go.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Sure, well, the Giants took Barkley number two seven years ago,
and then that turned out pretty damn good. Obviously down
the road, I mean more turned out for the Eagles.
Obviously he was good for them for a while. But
I guess I'm just looking at Tony the depth chart
in Jacksonville, and I'm wondering if Trevor Lawrence has enough
toys to play with down there. I mean, Brian Thomas
is good, but I mean Parker Washington. They signed the
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kid from the Commanders, Brenton strains the tight end.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I mean, is Tyler warrens.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
At number five if he's going to be the stud
that we all think he's going to be in the NFL,
That's that's stupid to think. Hey, let's give Trevor Lawrence
a big time target to play with here and give
him somewhere to throw the damn ball to.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
I can understand that. You can see them being willing
to move on from Evan Ingram this year, who winds
up in Denver, and they were willing to let him
go when they still had him under control for one
more year here in jackson will go a different direction.
So I can understand, you know, kind of connecting the
dots on that here at five. Again, it's it's not
a great draft, right, So Tyler Warren being talked about
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at five, six, seven, ten, wherever he's gonna wind up going.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Whoever does it it'll make sense right at the.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Time that it happens. I don't expect it because I
don't quite think that that's the direction that they need
to go, given the options that they're going to have here.
It would surprise me a little bit. And honestly, Tyler
Warren would be my least favorite of the guys that
have really been talked about and connected to the Jaguars
at five. Now that be my bias against the priority
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at tight end, and I think Britain Strange actually be
a really good player with what has typically. We saw
the way that Liam Cohen has used the tight end
and his offense down there in Tampa. I don't think
you need a guy to be a game breaker, and
I think Strange, who was the second round pick two
years ago here in Jacksonville, if you give him the
opportunity to be the starter, they'd be fine with him
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as the starting tight end.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I would go a different direction with it.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
But I can understand looking at it and saying, well,
they just let Ingram go. They're in this spot. There's
not a lot to love. I can understand connecting those dots.
I don't want those dots connected. Ultimately, on Thursday, night.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Personally, Tony, what's the biggest reason Trevor Lawrence hasn't reached
his potentially yet.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Well, the last couple of years has been injuries that
have really gotten in the way, and I do think
there has been we know what happened is rookie year
when we talk about dysfunction with Herb Herbs as a
head coach. We all laughed when he did it, and
the whole world laughed as they went through the whole
process of Trevor Lawrence's a rookie year with Urban Meyer.
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And I do think that Doug Peterson was the perfect
guy that year or two, because Doug Peterson isn't gonna
be the guy who pushes everyone to a higher level.
He lets the personalities in the room be the personalities
in the room. He doesn't drag him in different directions.
And when he was in Philadelphia, had a room full
of wild men, and that's exactly what they needed to
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be and he didn't get in the way of any
of that. Here in Jacksonville, they didn't have a bunch
of wild men, so there wasn't a whole lot to
pull them out of the funk that they've been in
the last.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Couple of years. Doug Peterson wasn't even willing to say who.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Was calling plays the last two years on offense, like
it was the situation was not as good as they
could be. I think Trevor Lawrence is a super talented guy.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
And that's never changed.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Asking questions about why it hasn't all been put together,
it's fair and it's time for it all to happen
for Trevor Lawrence. I still believe in his talent, but
I can understand looking at it saying when is this
all going to come together for him? He is a
player that in his second year in the league, he
was a good enough player that year when they made
the playoffs. He got an MVP vote that year. Like
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he's a good enough player to be at that kind
of level. It hasn't shown up here in the last
couple of years. I put a lot of that at
the feat of the coaching staff. Hopefully again this new
direction will open up the opportunities for it, because I
think Trevor is willing to work as hard as you're
going to ask him to work plus something to get
to that kind of level. And he's a new dad
this year too. Maybe that pushes him, you know, to
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a higher level as well.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
We'll see, yeah that maybe we all know that key
to success. Just have some kids, you'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Maybe swack works.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
So cam Ward Travis, Hunter, Abdell Carter, Will Campbell I
went off the board in our little kind of mini
mock here. So if that goes down Thursday, what do
the Jaguars do at five, Tony, I.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Think it's in my mind it would be between two players,
and that would be Mason Graham, the one that's been
attached to the Jags here for the last couple of months.
And I think the Ashton Genty talk is real in
a draft where I think there are three premiere players
in this draft, two of them have already gone off
in your top three right there in this mock draft,
I think if the Jaguars are in that situation and
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can't move down from five, I think the only way
they can move down is if Ashton Genty is still available.
But if they can't move down, I think they turn
in the card with that Gent's name on it.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I wonder what Pete Carroll will think about that. Sitting
there at number six, by the way, and Jay Travis at.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Ends a free agent. He could come up to five, buddy. Yeah,
at he ends a free agent after this year. Is
that correct?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
He's got one more year left, right, He's got one
more year left, gotcha?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yeah, no, it makes sense, all right? Fat Tony Smith
ten ten XL Jacksonville. Appreciate this and enjoy being in
the top five. It's a comfortable spot for you guys.
So have fun on Thursday. Man, we'll talk soon, hopefully
never again.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Man. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, I mean it's just I just you know what
pisses me off, Dick.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
And it's like when the national media last year there
was kind of this like I'm gonna say groundswell, but
there was a little bit of a drum beat from
Rosenthal and passing and guys like that that just could
not believe the Mariners were pissing away this phenomenal once
in the lifetime rotation. Same thing with quarterbacks. I mean,
it's seen a Bryce Young too, Like, I don't know
what Bryce Young could be. You know who Bryce Young's
best receiver is in Carolina, Adam. He's thirty five years old.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Like, what are we doing? Trevor Lawrence says nothing.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Nothing in Jacksonville, nothing to hand the ball to, nothing
to throw the ball to. So I think I think
Jenny or Tyler Warren. I disagree with him a Warren.
I think Warren's gonna be a star in the NFL too,
So I would definitely think about taking him at number
five if I were Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
But they got to get that guy some freaking help.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
There's no person and you go back and it was
It's interesting when he said because the second year, the
first year under Peterson's second year for Trevor Lawrence, that
was a really good year.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Go back and look at the numbers.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Ninety six passer rating, there's like twenty seven touchdowns for
a rookie spy good and but I mean that was
his secondear because his first year you just throw out.
You throw out the Urban Meyer year. I mean, that's
that's just a waste. And then this last year he
was hurt. So I mean, I I think Trevor Lawrence
bounced back with another weapon, either a running back or
a wide receiver, a tight end. Here in the first round,
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I think you could have a pretty good.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Year this year.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I said it was ten times in the last since
twenty twelve that they've drafted in the top five.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I'm now going back to two thousand and nine when
they picked eighth.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Two thousand and eight, they picked eighth. I mean the
Jaguars are just top nine, Reggie Williams two thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
They're constantly in the top five the last two years.
They've not no, no, they have not.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
But I'm looking at the names of the guys that
they've also drafted too, and there it's just turd city.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
It's turd City.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Leonard Fernette, Yeah, Leonard Fernette is the only highly drafted
running back not to hit in the last fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Jalen Ramsey number five, Dante Fowl number three, Fine break,
Blake Bortles third, Luke Jocal second. Justin Blackman just got
a rest of the year day for public intoxication at
number five. I mean, they've just had some real swings
and missus down there. We're gonna break. Lan Zerline is
going to join up us from NFL dot Com. One
last pre draft visit with Lance coming next on ninety
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three three K J R.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
F M.
I'm a right a lot to talk about the top
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three picks in the NFL draft, But now about the
Patriots making a brand new head coach and Mike Vrabel
Gerrodmeo fired after year number one. Patriots allowed the fifth
most sacks last season. Lost, some offensive line have been made,
a bunch of moves in free agencies. So let's find
out what the Patriots are doing. Our friend Chris Price
from Boston joining us, staying up late baby on a
(00:24):
Tuesday night for us right here on KJR.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
How are you man?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I'm doing great, buddy. How you doing man? Long time
no talk?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, good man, It's good. Dave be back on the
radio show.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So I feel like all the talk is about the
top three picks and then not much chatter about what
the Patriots are doing there at number four. So new
era with Mike Vrabel coming in. Mayo whacked after a year.
Do you believe in Drake may is the long term
answer at quarterback? And if so, what does he need
to be successful?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
He needs a left tackle and another wide receiver is
what he needs right now. They went out and they
really did well. I think fortifying the defensive side of
the ball when it comes to free agency, guys like
Milton Williams, you know, Carlton Davis. They really added to
what was already a decent defense. You're going to see
the Patriots do more attacking up front. You're gonna see
the Patriots being a lot more aggressive upfront a lot
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of times the last few years, and you know, going
all the way back to the Belichick era, it was
more about kind of occupying space, the big, out, rocky
back space, as opposed to being penetrative guys. These guys,
the Milton Williams type, get bar more back, Keon White,
these guys are going to be far more aggressive. And
so I think the defensive side of the ball, they've
done really a lot of really good work adding to
that group. They just need to get a left tackle.
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They need to get a wide receiver. And they struck
out in free agency really to a large extent. They
struck out free agency because they went after Godwin, who
turned them down. They added an extra twenty million dollars,
they still turned them down and went back to Tampa Bay.
They couldn't find a left tackle. And so those are
the two positions of need as we sit here going
into the draft of the New England Patriots.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
All the talk is about the first three picks off
the alluded to and do you think, Chris, that they
can get a better player at four, then they could
get at six or.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Seven marginally, Look, this draft is proving and I've talked
to people in Foxborough. It's a struggle to trade down
this year. Out of that fourth spot. It's a lot
easier for them to trade up from thirty eight. I
could see that they have four picks in the top
one hundred and so I could see them maybe packaging
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thirty eight and maybe one of their thirds to try
and move up to the middle of the first round.
But I think when it comes to the fourth overall pick,
they're stuck there. And so if my short answer to
who they're going to take is if Carter and Hunter
are off the board at four, they're going after Will Campbell.
Now we talk about them needing a left tackle. The
big debate up peers are Will Campbell's arms long enough
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to play left tackle? So they would take him, they
would try him at left tackle, and if it didn't work,
they'd moved the left guard, and you'd feel pretty good
about left guard. And they even kind of mix and
match with some of the guys in the roster, some
left tackle possibilities out there, but that would theoretically take
care of one of your problems. As you mentioned right
off the top, they're providing more support for a guy
like Drake by Well.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Chris Price is with us from Boston.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Patriots have the number four pick in the draft coming up,
and I guess I'm trying to figure out who's in
charge right of this thing. I mean, it was Belichick
obviously for years and years and years. But is Mike
Rabel making the final call?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Here?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Is Elliott Wolf making the final call? Who's making these
calls on draft day for the Patriots?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Man? As I understand, And what do you have right
now is you have Ryan Cowden who was brought into
be kind of an assistant personnel guy to a Wolf
Rabel's guy. Basically, you have elite Wolf and you have
some other guys who are personal evaluators at grow a
Lotto high Smith bringing Rabel a handful of names, but
Mike Rabel really has the loudest voice in the room.
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There is a pretty good consensus as I understand it,
at least so far, at least there has been throughout
free agency when it comes to guys like deciding to
go after Stefan Diggs, deciding to go out Morgan, Moses,
Carlon Davis, all those names, but Rabel still has the
final say in a lot of ways. Again, it's been
a real collaborative effort on their part, but the head
coach is still making the He's still a primary decision
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maker when it comes to personnel moves.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Tell us some more about what you saw in Drake
May in year number one. I mean, how confident are
you that this is the guy for a long long time.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
He made rookie mistakes, but he was never an error
repeater in my estimation. You know, when he did have
a bad practice, when he did have a bad game,
when he had a bad play, he was able to
bounce back, he was able to shake it off, and
he was able to move forward. And so as we
saw over the course of the year, he got better.
The numbers got better, as he was out there more often,
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as he assumed the role of leader, as he assumed
the role of QB one, we saw those mistakes start
to get smaller and smaller and less and less consequential.
I guess it's probably the best course of you know,
the best phrase that I could use. But really, he
wasn't an air repeater. He wasn't a guy who would
make the same bad throw twice. There were bad throws,
and he got into trouble a lot of times over
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the course of the year by trying to do too much,
you know, running for his life behind a leaky offensive line. Theoretically,
now you know you have Morgan Moses, you're gonna bring
back some of the guys in that offensive line. Call
Strange is feeling better. And again maybe if you get
Will Campbell, you can plug him in a left tackle
or left guard and he's gonna have a little bit
more time back there, and you're gonna have a little
you know, you're gonna have another option or two in
(05:29):
the passing to help out as well.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Okay, Chris, before you go for those just tuning in,
you kind of gave it away. But Ward's off the board,
Hunters off the board, Carter's off the board. Make the
pick for the Patriots in that scenario right now at
number four, who do.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
You want Will cambll offensive lineman out of Louisiana State again,
If you can't trade back Yep, they're gonna go for
him and then ultimately what they're what they're going to
try and do. I still believe they're going to try
and trade up at out of thirty eight to the
later stages of the first round and end up trying
to get a wide receiver or some more help along
that offensive line.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Chris, you're the man, great stuff. Enjoy the draft and
we'll talk soon, buddy.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Appreciate it, pal, Take care, guys talk soon.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
You bet. Chris Price from Boston. What do you say?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
We keep it here, but go over to number five
because I gotta tell you, man, we are We love
having this guy on, but he's got to be sick
and tired of going on radio shows talking about the
Jaguars picking in the top five.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
This is the tenth time in the.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Last twelve years that the Jaguars have picked in the
top five of the NFL Draft. Sorry, tenth time going
back to twenty twelve. Only one guy. We have to
talk about that man, he always says, yes. Ten ten
Xcel Radio in Jacksonville. Fat Tony Smith, fat Tony, how
are you man.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Doing well? Fellas?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Appreciate you having me on again.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well, we appreciate you doing this.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I mean, it just feels like groundhog day, honestly, Like,
how how ridiculous is this? Like, you know, normally teams
every now and then fired up for a draft pick
this high. But ten times since twenty twelve you've had
a top five pick in the draft.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
This has got to be getting sickening already down.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
There, no doubt, And thankfully this time it was sickening
enough that the owner decided to let go of.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
The coach in the GM.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
So there is a completely new direction. It feels like
from a front office standpoint for this team, they got
a first time offensive coordinator, first time head coach, first
time defensive coordinator, first time GM. So it's a lot
of new and so there's a lot of people taking
guesses that how the Jaguars feel about different things with
this draft. Nobody knows anything about what's going on in
(07:23):
that building.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
They have been so tight lift, no top thirty visits.
Nobody knows.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
But everyone's guessing what is going to happen. Everyone's talking
the draft's going to start at four or five, depending
on which of those teams wants to bite and do
something unexpected.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
First, well, since you don't have a game plan, and
you haven't seen what this group has been able to
do because they haven't been around.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I'll just leave it up to you.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Would it be better for the Jags to go lower
floor safer pick, like a Mason Graham type guy or
a flashier, higher upside guy.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Yeah. I think it's tough to figure it out. And
something Obviously we've been talking about Mason Graham now for
a couple of months, right and him being attached to
the Jaguars, and I can understand why he's called kind
of the safer pick. And then I hear people talk
about Mason Graham and I go, what about that sounds safe?
Except you're in a bad draft, right, Like I do
think it's just kind of a bad draft. But when
(08:19):
they talk about Mason Graham, virtually everyone you see ranking
the players at the top of this draft have Mason
Graham is what the fourth fifth best player available in
the whole draft, and most of these places, I get
that it's not a great draft, so there might only
be the potential for one potentially special kind of prospect
available when the Jags are on the clock and Ashton genty,
(08:41):
So there is the discussion being had, and the one
we've been having about do you take the chance on
an Ashton Gendy And the chance.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Is about the position. It's not about the player.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
It's the position of running back in the top five
of the NFL Draft. It's not all that common the
teams are willing to do that kind of thing. Do
I think that the new brain trust in JACKSONA was
willing to be bold if they think that's.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
The right direction to go.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Absolutely, But I don't think it's a group that's going
to be super risky as they go through the draft.
And I don't think when you talk about Ashington Genty
that's not risky Like Ashton Genty isn't a risky pick.
It's a bold pick because he's a running back in
the top five, not because he will hit or won't hit.
As a player. The expectation is that Genty's going to
be a great player when he gets into the league wherever.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
He happens to go.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Sure, well, the Giants took Barkley number two seven years ago,
and then that turned out pretty damn good. Obviously down
the road, I mean more turned out for the Eagles.
Obviously he was good for them for a while. But
I guess I'm just looking at Tony the depth chart
in Jacksonville, and I'm wondering if Trevor Lawrence has enough
toys to play with down there. I mean, Brian Thomas
is good, but I mean Parker Washington. They signed the
(09:51):
kid from the Commanders, Brenton strains the tight end.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I mean, is Tyler warrens.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
At number five if he's going to be the stud
that we all think he's going to be in the NFL,
That's that's stupid to think. Hey, let's give Trevor Lawrence
a big time target to play with here and give
him somewhere to throw the damn ball to.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
I can understand that. You can see them being willing
to move on from Evan Ingram this year, who winds
up in Denver, and they were willing to let him
go when they still had him under control for one
more year here in jackson will go a different direction.
So I can understand, you know, kind of connecting the
dots on that here at five. Again, it's it's not
a great draft, right, So Tyler Warren being talked about
(10:33):
at five, six, seven, ten, wherever he's gonna wind up going.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Whoever does it it'll make sense right at the.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Time that it happens. I don't expect it because I
don't quite think that that's the direction that they need
to go, given the options that they're going to have here.
It would surprise me a little bit. And honestly, Tyler
Warren would be my least favorite of the guys that
have really been talked about and connected to the Jaguars
at five. Now that be my bias against the priority
(11:02):
at tight end, and I think Britain Strange actually be
a really good player with what has typically. We saw
the way that Liam Cohen has used the tight end
and his offense down there in Tampa. I don't think
you need a guy to be a game breaker, and
I think Strange, who was the second round pick two
years ago here in Jacksonville, if you give him the
opportunity to be the starter, they'd be fine with him
(11:23):
as the starting tight end.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I would go a different direction with it.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
But I can understand looking at it and saying, well,
they just let Ingram go. They're in this spot. There's
not a lot to love. I can understand connecting those dots.
I don't want those dots connected. Ultimately, on Thursday, night.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Personally, Tony, what's the biggest reason Trevor Lawrence hasn't reached
his potentially yet.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Well, the last couple of years has been injuries that
have really gotten in the way, and I do think
there has been we know what happened is rookie year
when we talk about dysfunction with Herb Herbs as a
head coach. We all laughed when he did it, and
the whole world laughed as they went through the whole
process of Trevor Lawrence's a rookie year with Urban Meyer.
(12:04):
And I do think that Doug Peterson was the perfect
guy that year or two, because Doug Peterson isn't gonna
be the guy who pushes everyone to a higher level.
He lets the personalities in the room be the personalities
in the room. He doesn't drag him in different directions.
And when he was in Philadelphia, had a room full
of wild men, and that's exactly what they needed to
(12:24):
be and he didn't get in the way of any
of that. Here in Jacksonville, they didn't have a bunch
of wild men, so there wasn't a whole lot to
pull them out of the funk that they've been in
the last.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Couple of years. Doug Peterson wasn't even willing to say who.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Was calling plays the last two years on offense, like
it was the situation was not as good as they
could be. I think Trevor Lawrence is a super talented guy.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
And that's never changed.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Asking questions about why it hasn't all been put together,
it's fair and it's time for it all to happen
for Trevor Lawrence. I still believe in his talent, but
I can understand looking at it saying when is this
all going to come together for him? He is a
player that in his second year in the league, he
was a good enough player that year when they made
the playoffs. He got an MVP vote that year. Like
(13:11):
he's a good enough player to be at that kind
of level. It hasn't shown up here in the last
couple of years. I put a lot of that at
the feat of the coaching staff. Hopefully again this new
direction will open up the opportunities for it, because I
think Trevor is willing to work as hard as you're
going to ask him to work plus something to get
to that kind of level. And he's a new dad
this year too. Maybe that pushes him, you know, to
(13:32):
a higher level as well.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
We'll see, yeah that maybe we all know that key
to success. Just have some kids, you'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Maybe swack works.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
So cam Ward Travis, Hunter, Abdell Carter, Will Campbell I
went off the board in our little kind of mini
mock here. So if that goes down Thursday, what do
the Jaguars do at five, Tony, I.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Think it's in my mind it would be between two players,
and that would be Mason Graham, the one that's been
attached to the Jags here for the last couple of months.
And I think the Ashton Genty talk is real in
a draft where I think there are three premiere players
in this draft, two of them have already gone off
in your top three right there in this mock draft,
I think if the Jaguars are in that situation and
(14:12):
can't move down from five, I think the only way
they can move down is if Ashton Genty is still available.
But if they can't move down, I think they turn
in the card with that Gent's name on it.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I wonder what Pete Carroll will think about that. Sitting
there at number six, by the way, and Jay Travis at.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Ends a free agent. He could come up to five, buddy. Yeah,
at he ends a free agent after this year. Is
that correct?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
He's got one more year left, right, He's got one
more year left, gotcha?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yeah, no, it makes sense, all right? Fat Tony Smith
ten ten XL Jacksonville. Appreciate this and enjoy being in
the top five. It's a comfortable spot for you guys.
So have fun on Thursday. Man, we'll talk soon, hopefully
never again.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Man. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, I mean it's just I just you know what
pisses me off, Dick.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
And it's like when the national media last year there
was kind of this like I'm gonna say groundswell, but
there was a little bit of a drum beat from
Rosenthal and passing and guys like that that just could
not believe the Mariners were pissing away this phenomenal once
in the lifetime rotation. Same thing with quarterbacks. I mean,
it's seen a Bryce Young too, Like, I don't know
what Bryce Young could be. You know who Bryce Young's
best receiver is in Carolina, Adam. He's thirty five years old.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Like, what are we doing? Trevor Lawrence says nothing.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Nothing in Jacksonville, nothing to hand the ball to, nothing
to throw the ball to. So I think I think
Jenny or Tyler Warren. I disagree with him a Warren.
I think Warren's gonna be a star in the NFL too,
So I would definitely think about taking him at number
five if I were Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
But they got to get that guy some freaking help.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
There's no person and you go back and it was
It's interesting when he said because the second year, the
first year under Peterson's second year for Trevor Lawrence, that
was a really good year.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Go back and look at the numbers.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Ninety six passer rating, there's like twenty seven touchdowns for
a rookie spy good and but I mean that was
his secondear because his first year you just throw out.
You throw out the Urban Meyer year. I mean, that's
that's just a waste. And then this last year he
was hurt. So I mean, I I think Trevor Lawrence
bounced back with another weapon, either a running back or
a wide receiver, a tight end. Here in the first round,
(16:07):
I think you could have a pretty good.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Year this year.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I said it was ten times in the last since
twenty twelve that they've drafted in the top five.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I'm now going back to two thousand and nine when
they picked eighth.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Two thousand and eight, they picked eighth. I mean the
Jaguars are just top nine, Reggie Williams two thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
They're constantly in the top five the last two years.
They've not no, no, they have not.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
But I'm looking at the names of the guys that
they've also drafted too, and there it's just turd city.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
It's turd City.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Leonard Fernette, Yeah, Leonard Fernette is the only highly drafted
running back not to hit in the last fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Jalen Ramsey number five, Dante Fowl number three, Fine break,
Blake Bortles third, Luke Jocal second. Justin Blackman just got
a rest of the year day for public intoxication at
number five. I mean, they've just had some real swings
and missus down there. We're gonna break. Lan Zerline is
going to join up us from NFL dot Com. One
last pre draft visit with Lance coming next on ninety
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three three K J R.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
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