May 16, 2025 • 26 mins
Hugh Millen joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about Brock Purdy’s new deal with the 49ers and where it leaves San Francisco, flag football being a possibility for the Olympics plus the injury worries involved in it, and the sanctity of the NBA draft lottery.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right here he is. It's five o'clock on Friday.
That means one thing and one thing all of me drinks, Yes,
and our friend Hugh Millan. Two things, drinks and Humillan.
I cannot think of two greater things in my life.
And cocktails and Humillan. How are your power's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Yeah, I love it? Man, Friday at five it's like
you at the waste management or the wasted management. That's
how we all feel.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hey it one's going to be a kid from time
to time.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Totally before we get going. What are you win on
the favorite non Seattle sports moment bracket?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
We just did not close.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
For me?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
That was Auburn over Oregon. Yeah, everything else is secretariat
in the Belmont whoever.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I picked Auburn by the way, just so you know
I was outvoted.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Oh you're you're okay? Hey fan? How you want a fan?
But you asked me my blind that was why.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Would it be Auburn over the Niners blowing that ten
point lead?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
You know the Niners? I don't. I think there's certain
nature of college football the pro when you have your
arts rival, uh at your alma mater. I think it
just has a little extra juice and the Niners. I'm
not a big Chief fan. The Niners I had an
I have an odd respect for because I think during
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those years they're the most physical team in football. You know,
I played for Shanahan and and I knew Kyle Shanahan
when he was a little biggernose kid running around the
Broncos like I. I don't know, I just I didn't
have that I I was kind of indifferent about that game.
Maybe maybe I get my seat card revoked. But but
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in that one, again, I'm not a big Chief fan,
so that that wasn't a terribly emotional game for me.
But but that Auburn versus Oregon game sure was.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Oh yeah, Hugh, I'm going at it right now with
a Niner fan on on Twitter, which is which is no,
it's not, it's a but it's but it's kind of fun.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You know, I was.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I was celebrating as a Seahawks fan. The contract by
brock Purty, was it five years, two hundred and sixty
five million dollars. And you know he got back to me,
he says, well, brock Purty's five and one against the Hawks.
Little that let that rattle around in your bean for
a minute, and I.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Said, you pretty fun.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
It is well because I said around, I said that,
you know, I put the letter to rattle around your
bean for a second. So he was just copying my
verbige there.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
But then but then I said, is brock Purty five
and one against the Hawks? Or is the better team
five and one in the last six meetings against the Hawks?
Now that team that beats Seattle will be worse because
of this Do you agree with that statement that the
better team will be worse because of this contract?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Uh? Yeah, I mean they're going to be worse, sure.
I mean you look at where they were with the
mister irrelevant contract than the forty nine ers for the
last few years. Couldn't have been in a better situation
in that respect. So yeah, you start to take a
chunk out of that. I think just de facto they're
gonna be They don't They're not necessarily gonna be worse,
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but they clearly have a situation that's worse that they're
gonna have to navigate. Right, They're gonna have to play
like everybody else, all the other good teams. We've already
signed their contract. But you know, I think that Purdy
is always going to be polarizing because his attributes are
of a more refined variety. And I'm not here to
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to say, hey, I'm a big rock purty guy. I
see what you see, Dick. I think any football fan sees.
You know, he's not a real big guy. Doesn't move great.
I think he's got pretty good movement, but he certainly
has well below He doesn't even have average arm strength
by you know, against thirty one other starting quarterbacks in
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the NFL. He's an added near the bottom. But his
strengths are anticipation, his process, nobility, his accuracy, has ability
to lay over, you know, in play action just to
you know, these these dig routes that he throws, these
intermediate crossing routes. He throws those things so freaking early.
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And he has an ability to, you know, uh, after
a fake, to just say, okay, these are the four
defenders that that might make a play on the ball.
Check check, check, check, I'm good, let me throw. Well,
everything I'd said just said took about six seven seconds
to say. He processes it in point six seconds. And
you know, he's a guy that been in passer rating
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last year was thirteenth, but the year before was first.
The year before that was first QBR, which we've discussed
before as a higher it's not that's not QB rating.
That's the ESPN THN google it. I'm not gonna explain it,
but that has a higher correlation, slightly higher correlation to winning.
Last year. He was seventh, the year before that first,
and the year before that fourth. So so he's been
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a producer. He just does it do not do it
in a way where his physical traits wow you. It's
more of his refined and again mental part of the
game that makes right.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
So he was going into his fourth year, correct, is
that right? Guy's brock Perty This is fourth year in
the NFL. Yes, okay, So they got a deal done
before he became a free agent. He will tell you
what I would have done a fire of the Niners.
I would have just waited and franchised him, Yeah, at
the end of next year, because I would have said that,
you know what, I want to see more. I want
to see one more year out of you before we
commit that kind of money to you.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Well, I'll tell you what. I can almost promise you
what John Lynch is thinking because he's looking at this schedule. Now,
everybody in the NFC plays in the NFC West, rather
plays the NFC South, So that's your NFC division. The
South last year with a four to twelve win percentage,
was seventh out of eight divisions. And then in the
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other conference, everybody in the NFC plays the AFC South,
which was dead last, eighth out of eight divisions last
year with the three sixty eight average win percent So
you're getting you're getting a great break. But that's everybody
in the NFC West. But the wild card is what
what place were you in the division? Seattle was second
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last year, so there's three other games that involve where
you placed in the division. So everybody in the NFC
West is going to play one team in the AFC North.
The Rams are going to play first place Ravens because
they were Rams were first. Seattle's gonna play second place Pittsburgh.
Pittsburgh but the Niners were fourth. They're playing Cleveland who
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only had three wins. Then you go to the NFC
same thing. Seattle gets the Commanders and the forty nine
Ers get the Giants. The three win Giants and and
NFC North NFC North. Last year, guys set the all
time record for winning this division in the history of
the NFL took it away, by the way from the
twenty thirteen NFC West and by and just so you
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know that the list is exhaustive, that the fifth place
team was the Western Division in nineteen thirty six. Okay,
so this is a legit list. The NFC North last year,
with a six to sixty two win percentage beat the
six to fifty six win percentage of the twenty thirteen
NFC Well, last year's NFC North the winning this team
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or division rather in the history of football. So in
that division, the Rams got to play the Lions. Seehow's
got to play the Vikings, and the forty nine Ers
get to pay play the Bears. Added up here, the
Rams have to play a teams in these three wild cards.
They play the Rams played teams that won forty one
games last year. The Seahawks play teams that combined The
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three teams combined for thirty six wins. The forty nine
Ers their three teams won eleven. So if you're John Lynch,
you're saying, hey, hey, rerack this thing. Everybody in the
NFC West has got a good slate, and we the
forty nine Ers, we got it. I mean, this is green,
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go all gas, no breaks in terms of twenty twenty five.
That's their mindset. I'm not saying they're going to execute it,
but don't think that they don't realize they've got a
great opportunity with this schedule. The win percentage of this
schedule is dead last. The forty nine Ers have the
number one most fortunate schedule, or call it another way,
the thirty two hardest schedule.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
And the net Remember I talked on Monday about the
rest deferential and the Warren Sharp stat From the beginning
of the season, they were worst in the league in
rest differential going to last year. They are ninth best
this year. The forty nine Ers are by the way,
the Seahawks are third best. So that's that's good news there.
But so, Hugh, are you saying that that they're kind
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of taking advantage of the timing and signing him after
a bad six and eleven season, maybe to get a
discount versus if you just look at this season, brock
Purdy may had the same type of season he had
last year, but they might win ten or eleven games
just by Osmoses.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Well, I think that as far as the timing of
the contract, I think that they just realized, hey, let's
get him now, he's going to be our quarterback. I
agree with Dave. Maybe you said it too Dick that
you know just I would have waited another year. But
I'm just saying from their perspective, why did they do this?
I think they just said, hey, it's just going to
be more expensive a year from now. And remember, I
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don't think you can there's a little bit of a
logical disconnect that some people are saying, not you, Dick,
or you Dave. But you can't simultaneously say Kyle Shanahan
is one of the brightest minds, which basically everybody does.
No who doesn't say that because he's proven it. You
can't say Kyle Sannon is one of the brightest minds
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in the NFL, and yet he when it came time
to choose his quarterback, he sent Trey Lance, who had
all those traits out the door to Dallas, right, and
he'd had all the physical trait, big guy, runs, great,
strong arm, everything, and he chose instead a little guy
who doesn't run as well and has a noodle arm.
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And so there's something that Kyle Shanahan must see in
this quarterback that the rest of us aren't seeing, And
I'm suggesting it's the refined parts of the game. In
that sense, it's a little bit like Dan Fouts. Dan
Fouts didn't have a strong arm, but I've been watching
football for over fifty years that position very intently. Dan
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Fouts had the greatest anticipation I've ever seen. I think
Perty's got a little bit of that in him.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Well Perty becomes Dan Fouts, I think a lot of
folks might think the deal was worth it. I mean, look,
it's always about the next guy, right, And even though
he was the next guy, he still is the seventh
highest paid quarterback in the NFL based on average per year,
and the eighth biggest guarantee in the NFL. But Hugh
Millin's with us, and I don't know, maybe if this
tackle football thing doesn't work out for Brock Perty, he
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can just play flag football in the Olympics. You can
just switch. Dick and I talked about this yesterday, that
there's a movement to let NFL players play flag football
in the Olympics. I believe is it starting in twenty
twenty eight? Is that correct? The sell Olympics in twenty
twenty eight. How does that land with you? The idea
of Sam Darnold or Kenny Walker or Jackson Smith and
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Jigba Devin Witherspoon whoever playing flag football in the Olympic
Games over the summer.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I think it lands real well, just for me as
a fan, I love the Olympics. I think it's a
great institution. I think it's ei, there's a uniting quality
to it. I think it's worth the risk. I think
that now. I don't know the rules, but I would
hope it would resemble seven on seven because seven on
seven is a legit. There's seven on seven. I've been
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to seven on seven high school tournaments in Vegas, in
Orange County, in Atlanta, as far as the I can
see athletes everywhere from all over the country. Like seven
to seven is a real deal, and the tournaments are
fun and they're relatively safe, And yes, they do carry
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over to the to NFL football, because if not, why
are teams in both training camp and in regular season?
Why does every single team in the NFL have a
twenty minute segment of seven on seven? So I would
I would say, hey, the more international in the game
is I think that the state of Washington having girls
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in flag football. I think it's great. Grow the game.
It's a it's a it's the of course I'm biased,
but I think it's the best game on earth. Grow
the hell out of it. I'll and I'll add this
if if you had a I just want you guys
to imagine this. This is an idea for a league.
If you had a spring seven on seven league with
the developmental players from each team, and let's say they
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played in Memorial Stadium, so you could go down for
twenty bucks and you could watch in a in a June,
you know, June or early you know, yeah, probably June,
nice spring day, grab a beer and sit there and
you could watch Jalen Milroe, Jalen Milroe throwing yeah to
Tory Horton against the forty nine or team in a
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seven on seven game for you know, an hour and
a half hour and forty five minutes, you're in, you're out,
Like you would that not be I think that would
be really fun for for kids, you know, kids, and
it would be an accessible way to enjoy you know,
the uh, the weather be mostly good. I'm I'm a
big fan of seven on seven, so uh in in
flag football. I coached tackle football from when my kids
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starting in at age eight, I coached a lot of
tackle football in the fall, and then I turned around
in the spring and I coached both of my kids
in uh uh uh in in flag football or well
it wasn't flag but it was seven on seven. Uh
it was flag when they were younger. At any rate,
it doesn't matter. I think they're both great. There's things
I loved about tackle football, of course, you know, of
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course that has the primacy, But the spring flag football stuff,
I'm I'm, I'm down for all of it.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Would the best flag football players in the country necessarily
all be NFL players, or they're former college players and
maybe flamed out of the league or never made it
to the league, that are actually better flag football players
than NFL.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Guys, That's a great question. I think it depends on,
you know, how real it is to seven on seven,
Like you're gonna it's gonna be hard for me to
say that some guy off the street can can is
better at seven on seven than Josh Allen. Right, you know,
if it's a full size field and it's you know,
the closer resembles to the seven on seven that he does,
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Josh Allen or Pat Mahomes, pick a guy. You know
what Pat Maholmes does on Wednesday and Thursday and Friday.
He does seven on seven each one of those days
in practice, and that has a carry over to Sunday.
So if it's if it's like that, then it'd be
hard for me to imagine that the NFL guys aren't
the best.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Well, I'm surprised to hear you say this a little bit.
I think Jackson and I are the on the opposite
side from you and Dick. And that's fine. You guys
can be wrong, we can be right, doesn't matter. You're
that Hugh right. Well, but but here's the thing. So
one of my biggest concerns. I know one of your
concerns is tackle football going away, and I just I
just wonder if we do this and we see NFL
athletes playing flag football and people, hey, this is great,
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this is fun. Who needs tackle football? Who needs to
worry about concussions and broken legs and rip cages and
things like that. Let's have all of our kids play
flag football instead of tackle football, and then at one
hundred years from now, tackle football is done because you
promoted this nonsense.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Well that's a fair that's a fair take. I would
say this. I could see a day where there's no
high school football. Yeah, me too, because because some class
action lawsuit, you know, and then all of a sudden
the school district say it's not even worth it. But
then then would be like a lot of other sports,
you'd say, well, for that age group, it would be
club football. So you'd see, you know, just a neighborhood club,
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not unlike the youth football that I coached. You know,
I coached in the Mount Sie area. We'd have a
Mount Side instead of Mountside High School. It'd be outside
club football for you know, fifteen sixteen seventeen year olds,
right that you at least a half to have that
you can And I was on a youth football board
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if they're and so I believe I'm a believer in
youth football for kids. I'm not going to get into
details about the how you assess the dangers and all that.
You could have a situation where there's no youth football,
only flag football until the high school age. Let's suppose
the czar of football just came out and said nobody
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gets to play football until their freshmen in high school.
Football would still survive because you'd have enough good players
in high school that would be recruited. And of course
the real money pieces college football. College football would be saying, whoa, whoa, whoa.
We need a supply of labor. And sorry to call
it that, but that's what the Supreme Court calls players
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the labor, and they need the labor for the money
making industry. So the labor would be supplied by the
club teams. But if they're not playing club football, right
then we got a big problem, David. That would be
where your concerns would manifest.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Well, let's, uh, Dick, let's do this because we got
a break in thirty seconds for a PGA Championship update.
So let's let's get a break. Let's let's keep Hugh
all right, We're gonna come back. And there's a there's
a lot of people out of the NBA Draft lottery
that are floating the idea of the NFL doing the
same damn thing. I want to get your thoughts on that.
We got to get his thoughts too. On the schedule, Dick.
That came out a couple of days ago for the
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Seahawks obviously as well. Uh more with Hugh Millan. We'll
keep going with him. Get an update from quil Hollow
PG Championship courtesy at Westwood One. Right now on ninety
three to three KJRFM.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
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Speaker 1 (17:59):
Aw Right, We're back. I got a Friday night Sathi.
Dick Jackson here billing with you. Uh d mac Darren
McKee from out the Tude Sports will join us next
segment and talk about how the Nugs could take out
the Door Baby on Sunday and game number seven in
the Western Conference semi Finals. John Canzano as well in
the six pur six pm hour here. We want to
get to the NBA slash NFL lottery talk in a second,
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but Dick's got one more on the flag football.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
So yeah, we were talking yesterday about you know, the
injuries and how you know NFL owners, you know, why
would they want their players to play flag football be
due to the injuries and my response was, well, the
NBA does it, and are do you think flag football
players would be any more prone to injury than the
guys that go play basketball.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
In the Olympics. No, it'd be I think that'd be
roughly the same. Yeah, that you'd have injuries, but I
think it's worth the I mean there used to be
you know, you'd send young players off to the uh,
the XFL or you know, the World League of American Football. Well,
that's a lot more dangerous. So the NFL's already had,
you know, a type of minor league, if you will,
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And I think that this would be something that I
think there'd be quarterback development that would really help the
league and relative relatively few injuries.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
All right, Hugh. The NBA draft lottery was the other day.
A lot of people are crying foul when Dallas got
the number one pick and the rights to Cooper Flag.
And I saw a few folks, not a time, there
was a few folks I saw. Warren Sharp was responding
to this as a matter of fact, and how dumb
it was that, well the NFL to adapt a lottery
style system as well. Can you imagine if the NFL
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had a lottery and the controversy and the case I mean,
for as much controversy as there is in the NBA lottery.
Imagine if the NFL did it so here, Were you
a fan of the NFL adopting the NBA lottery, Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Well, yes, I think they'd have to do it in
a in a different manner. But I gotta tell you
on this topic, I am absolutely gobsmacked at some of
the the takes that I've heard from some people that
I consider really brilliant people, friends of mine, smart guys,
well thought, and I cannot believe that anybody actually thinks
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that there is a fix on the NBA lottery. And
basically their argument says, there are some picks over the
course of forty one years, there are some picks that
are consistent with a conspiracy theory, and they supply a motive.
For example, Okay, Luca got traded to the Lakers, so
let's reward the Mavericks. Okay, So you can point to
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a handful of situations that would be consistent with that. Well,
that is to be weighed against a few factors, like
the risk. This is a twelve billion dollar industry, the NBA,
and it would crumble at its foundation if such a
fix were exposed, you would have at least Adam Silver
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and perhaps others owners exposed to federal charge of securities fraud.
Does Adam Silver will is he willing to wear an
orange jumpsuit? What about the execution? Who knows about this fraud? Like?
Is it just Adam Silver? What is it the guys
that own the handle the ping pong balls? Does the
owner of the Mavericks?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
No?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Does the owner of the Lakers know well what happens
on a different No whistleblowers ever in forty one years.
Nobody ever, No emails, no text, no recorded conversations. What
about extortion risks for somebody to blow the whistle on this?
No deathbed confessions by any owners. Look, there are things
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that happen that are that seemingly are against odds. First
of all, they've reduced no team has more than a
fourteen percent, So people are talking about this two percent. Okay,
the odds of blackjack and an eight deck shoe is
four point seventy five. The odds of back to back
a blackjack is zero point two six percent. And so
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so a lot of things happen that are seemingly remote
in terms of its probability. But let's just go down
a few things. Yes, you could say that this year
appears to fit a narra. If you believe in the
narrative of a fix this would be a year. What
about other years you've still got? If there's five that
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you can point to, that's ten percent, that would be
exactly what you would expect. What about Lebron to Cleveland
the eighteenth largest market? Did that make sense Wemby? I
thought when Wemby went to San Antonio, San Antonio's five
championships and they have the twenty fourth market out of
twenty eight. I thought, when Wemby went to San Antonio,
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I said, finally, these fixed lottery people are gonna shut up,
because why would Wenby go to San Antonio Shaq had
a one and eleven chance of going Duncan and then
the next year Chris Webber went to Orlando. Does that
make any sense? The odds of that happening we're of
we'reer point one four percent. What about Anthony Bennett and
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Andrew Wiggins going back to back to Cleveland? What sense
does that make? What about what about Anthony Davis going
to New Orleans Hornet and then zaying like like for
everyone got and going to Portland, why God, yes, yes,
so for everyone. You know what it's like, It's like
Murphy's law. People say, oh, I got an important meeting,
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and wouldn't you know it? I got a there's a
there's a traffic jam. Well guess what you didn't count
the twenty five important meetings or the fifty flights that
you had that you didn't get in a traffic jam
and you went straight to the airport and you went
straight to your meeting. No problem. But Murphy's law tricks
you into thinking, oh, the probability, wouldn't you know it? Well,
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that's what's exactly happening here. You if if your theory
is that you can bring up four or five examples
out of forty one that do fit a theory of conspiracy,
but don't account for the risk, don't account for the
execution problems, don't account for possible whistleblers, don't account for
any for the odds. Uh and the statistical enominies do happen.
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If your theory doesn't address any of that, I'm sorry.
You got to do better. Your theory has got to
be better. Uh So at an event, I think it's
preposterous to to actually believe that there is a fix
in the NBA lottery. Now, do I think that they
make mistakes? Yeah, the ping pong balls show that on TV,
like you used to that that might quill somebody. I mean,
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you got you got twenty guys media guys in the
room watching it. But evidently there's enough people talking about
smart people that I respect that I think are really
smart that somehow, like inexplicably, actually believe this. So put
the damn ping pong balls on live TV. Do something.
But this is absolutely nonsense in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Why does it seem like the dealer always gets back
to back blackshack on right when it's when it's only.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
You know what, it's a point point two six percent
chance of back to back, but you know what, you
played in a back tack black doesn't dick? Doesn't it
seem like there's a lot of back to back black tack? Yes?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
It does, Yeah, I mean for somebody else, Yes, exactly?
Why does why does green always show up when I'm black? Yeah,
just stood there all day, you'd see eventually everything, right, Yes.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
What has happened is exactly what we would expect on
a non rigged lottery. We would say about ten percent
of the time there would be a player that lands
at a situation where if you tilt your head one way,
you'd say, well, that kind of seems like that. That
was good for the league for that to happen, right,
But but I can show you nine out of ten
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other times we go that makes no sense for the
league's perspective, or that's completely random, and that is precisely
what we would predict when we initiated the lottery.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
God, I hope, I hope the NFL adopts a lottery.
Watch people just freaking melt down over this whole thing.
All right, Hugh, We gotta get out of here, man,
good stuff. I'm joining of the weekend. We'll talk too
much time. Man, you're biling with us. Hey, when we
come back, we're gonna head back to Denver. Darren McKee,
d mack, that was the guy I was talking to
you guys about yesterday. That's the guy we had on
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last year who was great on the air. D Mac's
gonna join us and talk about how hour and I
mean hour Denver Nuggets can make this happen and get
a big win in Game seven on Sunday against the
what are we calling them now, Dick the bastards, Is
that right? The bastards from Oklahoma City. We'll talk about
Game seven preview, maybe potentially one of the biggest basketball
(26:39):
games for Seattle since the Sonics left in two thousand
and eight. Next on ninety three three kJ RFL
All right here he is. It's five o'clock on Friday.
That means one thing and one thing all of me drinks, Yes,
and our friend Hugh Millan. Two things, drinks and Humillan.
I cannot think of two greater things in my life.
And cocktails and Humillan. How are your power's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Yeah, I love it? Man, Friday at five it's like
you at the waste management or the wasted management. That's
how we all feel.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hey it one's going to be a kid from time
to time.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Totally before we get going. What are you win on
the favorite non Seattle sports moment bracket?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
We just did not close.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
For me?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
That was Auburn over Oregon. Yeah, everything else is secretariat
in the Belmont whoever.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I picked Auburn by the way, just so you know
I was outvoted.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Oh you're you're okay? Hey fan? How you want a fan?
But you asked me my blind that was why.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Would it be Auburn over the Niners blowing that ten
point lead?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
You know the Niners? I don't. I think there's certain
nature of college football the pro when you have your
arts rival, uh at your alma mater. I think it
just has a little extra juice and the Niners. I'm
not a big Chief fan. The Niners I had an
I have an odd respect for because I think during
(01:16):
those years they're the most physical team in football. You know,
I played for Shanahan and and I knew Kyle Shanahan
when he was a little biggernose kid running around the
Broncos like I. I don't know, I just I didn't
have that I I was kind of indifferent about that game.
Maybe maybe I get my seat card revoked. But but
(01:38):
in that one, again, I'm not a big Chief fan,
so that that wasn't a terribly emotional game for me.
But but that Auburn versus Oregon game sure was.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Oh yeah, Hugh, I'm going at it right now with
a Niner fan on on Twitter, which is which is no,
it's not, it's a but it's but it's kind of fun.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You know, I was.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I was celebrating as a Seahawks fan. The contract by
brock Purty, was it five years, two hundred and sixty
five million dollars. And you know he got back to me,
he says, well, brock Purty's five and one against the Hawks.
Little that let that rattle around in your bean for
a minute, and I.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Said, you pretty fun.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
It is well because I said around, I said that,
you know, I put the letter to rattle around your
bean for a second. So he was just copying my
verbige there.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
But then but then I said, is brock Purty five
and one against the Hawks? Or is the better team
five and one in the last six meetings against the Hawks?
Now that team that beats Seattle will be worse because
of this Do you agree with that statement that the
better team will be worse because of this contract?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Uh? Yeah, I mean they're going to be worse, sure.
I mean you look at where they were with the
mister irrelevant contract than the forty nine ers for the
last few years. Couldn't have been in a better situation
in that respect. So yeah, you start to take a
chunk out of that. I think just de facto they're
gonna be They don't They're not necessarily gonna be worse,
(03:08):
but they clearly have a situation that's worse that they're
gonna have to navigate. Right, They're gonna have to play
like everybody else, all the other good teams. We've already
signed their contract. But you know, I think that Purdy
is always going to be polarizing because his attributes are
of a more refined variety. And I'm not here to
(03:31):
to say, hey, I'm a big rock purty guy. I
see what you see, Dick. I think any football fan sees.
You know, he's not a real big guy. Doesn't move great.
I think he's got pretty good movement, but he certainly
has well below He doesn't even have average arm strength
by you know, against thirty one other starting quarterbacks in
(03:52):
the NFL. He's an added near the bottom. But his
strengths are anticipation, his process, nobility, his accuracy, has ability
to lay over, you know, in play action just to
you know, these these dig routes that he throws, these
intermediate crossing routes. He throws those things so freaking early.
(04:13):
And he has an ability to, you know, uh, after
a fake, to just say, okay, these are the four
defenders that that might make a play on the ball.
Check check, check, check, I'm good, let me throw. Well,
everything I'd said just said took about six seven seconds
to say. He processes it in point six seconds. And
you know, he's a guy that been in passer rating
(04:36):
last year was thirteenth, but the year before was first.
The year before that was first QBR, which we've discussed
before as a higher it's not that's not QB rating.
That's the ESPN THN google it. I'm not gonna explain it,
but that has a higher correlation, slightly higher correlation to winning.
Last year. He was seventh, the year before that first,
and the year before that fourth. So so he's been
(04:57):
a producer. He just does it do not do it
in a way where his physical traits wow you. It's
more of his refined and again mental part of the
game that makes right.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
So he was going into his fourth year, correct, is
that right? Guy's brock Perty This is fourth year in
the NFL. Yes, okay, So they got a deal done
before he became a free agent. He will tell you
what I would have done a fire of the Niners.
I would have just waited and franchised him, Yeah, at
the end of next year, because I would have said that,
you know what, I want to see more. I want
to see one more year out of you before we
commit that kind of money to you.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Well, I'll tell you what. I can almost promise you
what John Lynch is thinking because he's looking at this schedule. Now,
everybody in the NFC plays in the NFC West, rather
plays the NFC South, So that's your NFC division. The
South last year with a four to twelve win percentage,
was seventh out of eight divisions. And then in the
(05:52):
other conference, everybody in the NFC plays the AFC South,
which was dead last, eighth out of eight divisions last
year with the three sixty eight average win percent So
you're getting you're getting a great break. But that's everybody
in the NFC West. But the wild card is what
what place were you in the division? Seattle was second
(06:12):
last year, so there's three other games that involve where
you placed in the division. So everybody in the NFC
West is going to play one team in the AFC North.
The Rams are going to play first place Ravens because
they were Rams were first. Seattle's gonna play second place Pittsburgh.
Pittsburgh but the Niners were fourth. They're playing Cleveland who
(06:34):
only had three wins. Then you go to the NFC
same thing. Seattle gets the Commanders and the forty nine
Ers get the Giants. The three win Giants and and
NFC North NFC North. Last year, guys set the all
time record for winning this division in the history of
the NFL took it away, by the way from the
twenty thirteen NFC West and by and just so you
(06:57):
know that the list is exhaustive, that the fifth place
team was the Western Division in nineteen thirty six. Okay,
so this is a legit list. The NFC North last year,
with a six to sixty two win percentage beat the
six to fifty six win percentage of the twenty thirteen
NFC Well, last year's NFC North the winning this team
(07:17):
or division rather in the history of football. So in
that division, the Rams got to play the Lions. Seehow's
got to play the Vikings, and the forty nine Ers
get to pay play the Bears. Added up here, the
Rams have to play a teams in these three wild cards.
They play the Rams played teams that won forty one
games last year. The Seahawks play teams that combined The
(07:39):
three teams combined for thirty six wins. The forty nine
Ers their three teams won eleven. So if you're John Lynch,
you're saying, hey, hey, rerack this thing. Everybody in the
NFC West has got a good slate, and we the
forty nine Ers, we got it. I mean, this is green,
(08:00):
go all gas, no breaks in terms of twenty twenty five.
That's their mindset. I'm not saying they're going to execute it,
but don't think that they don't realize they've got a
great opportunity with this schedule. The win percentage of this
schedule is dead last. The forty nine Ers have the
number one most fortunate schedule, or call it another way,
the thirty two hardest schedule.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
And the net Remember I talked on Monday about the
rest deferential and the Warren Sharp stat From the beginning
of the season, they were worst in the league in
rest differential going to last year. They are ninth best
this year. The forty nine Ers are by the way,
the Seahawks are third best. So that's that's good news there.
But so, Hugh, are you saying that that they're kind
(08:42):
of taking advantage of the timing and signing him after
a bad six and eleven season, maybe to get a
discount versus if you just look at this season, brock
Purdy may had the same type of season he had
last year, but they might win ten or eleven games
just by Osmoses.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Well, I think that as far as the timing of
the contract, I think that they just realized, hey, let's
get him now, he's going to be our quarterback. I
agree with Dave. Maybe you said it too Dick that
you know just I would have waited another year. But
I'm just saying from their perspective, why did they do this?
I think they just said, hey, it's just going to
be more expensive a year from now. And remember, I
(09:20):
don't think you can there's a little bit of a
logical disconnect that some people are saying, not you, Dick,
or you Dave. But you can't simultaneously say Kyle Shanahan
is one of the brightest minds, which basically everybody does.
No who doesn't say that because he's proven it. You
can't say Kyle Sannon is one of the brightest minds
(09:41):
in the NFL, and yet he when it came time
to choose his quarterback, he sent Trey Lance, who had
all those traits out the door to Dallas, right, and
he'd had all the physical trait, big guy, runs, great,
strong arm, everything, and he chose instead a little guy
who doesn't run as well and has a noodle arm.
(10:02):
And so there's something that Kyle Shanahan must see in
this quarterback that the rest of us aren't seeing, And
I'm suggesting it's the refined parts of the game. In
that sense, it's a little bit like Dan Fouts. Dan
Fouts didn't have a strong arm, but I've been watching
football for over fifty years that position very intently. Dan
(10:23):
Fouts had the greatest anticipation I've ever seen. I think
Perty's got a little bit of that in him.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Well Perty becomes Dan Fouts, I think a lot of
folks might think the deal was worth it. I mean, look,
it's always about the next guy, right, And even though
he was the next guy, he still is the seventh
highest paid quarterback in the NFL based on average per year,
and the eighth biggest guarantee in the NFL. But Hugh
Millin's with us, and I don't know, maybe if this
tackle football thing doesn't work out for Brock Perty, he
(10:49):
can just play flag football in the Olympics. You can
just switch. Dick and I talked about this yesterday, that
there's a movement to let NFL players play flag football
in the Olympics. I believe is it starting in twenty
twenty eight? Is that correct? The sell Olympics in twenty
twenty eight. How does that land with you? The idea
of Sam Darnold or Kenny Walker or Jackson Smith and
(11:11):
Jigba Devin Witherspoon whoever playing flag football in the Olympic
Games over the summer.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I think it lands real well, just for me as
a fan, I love the Olympics. I think it's a
great institution. I think it's ei, there's a uniting quality
to it. I think it's worth the risk. I think
that now. I don't know the rules, but I would
hope it would resemble seven on seven because seven on
seven is a legit. There's seven on seven. I've been
(11:37):
to seven on seven high school tournaments in Vegas, in
Orange County, in Atlanta, as far as the I can
see athletes everywhere from all over the country. Like seven
to seven is a real deal, and the tournaments are
fun and they're relatively safe, And yes, they do carry
(11:59):
over to the to NFL football, because if not, why
are teams in both training camp and in regular season?
Why does every single team in the NFL have a
twenty minute segment of seven on seven? So I would
I would say, hey, the more international in the game
is I think that the state of Washington having girls
(12:19):
in flag football. I think it's great. Grow the game.
It's a it's a it's the of course I'm biased,
but I think it's the best game on earth. Grow
the hell out of it. I'll and I'll add this
if if you had a I just want you guys
to imagine this. This is an idea for a league.
If you had a spring seven on seven league with
the developmental players from each team, and let's say they
(12:41):
played in Memorial Stadium, so you could go down for
twenty bucks and you could watch in a in a June,
you know, June or early you know, yeah, probably June,
nice spring day, grab a beer and sit there and
you could watch Jalen Milroe, Jalen Milroe throwing yeah to
Tory Horton against the forty nine or team in a
(13:01):
seven on seven game for you know, an hour and
a half hour and forty five minutes, you're in, you're out,
Like you would that not be I think that would
be really fun for for kids, you know, kids, and
it would be an accessible way to enjoy you know,
the uh, the weather be mostly good. I'm I'm a
big fan of seven on seven, so uh in in
flag football. I coached tackle football from when my kids
(13:24):
starting in at age eight, I coached a lot of
tackle football in the fall, and then I turned around
in the spring and I coached both of my kids
in uh uh uh in in flag football or well
it wasn't flag but it was seven on seven. Uh
it was flag when they were younger. At any rate,
it doesn't matter. I think they're both great. There's things
I loved about tackle football, of course, you know, of
(13:47):
course that has the primacy, But the spring flag football stuff,
I'm I'm, I'm down for all of it.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Would the best flag football players in the country necessarily
all be NFL players, or they're former college players and
maybe flamed out of the league or never made it
to the league, that are actually better flag football players
than NFL.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Guys, That's a great question. I think it depends on,
you know, how real it is to seven on seven,
Like you're gonna it's gonna be hard for me to
say that some guy off the street can can is
better at seven on seven than Josh Allen. Right, you know,
if it's a full size field and it's you know,
the closer resembles to the seven on seven that he does,
(14:30):
Josh Allen or Pat Mahomes, pick a guy. You know
what Pat Maholmes does on Wednesday and Thursday and Friday.
He does seven on seven each one of those days
in practice, and that has a carry over to Sunday.
So if it's if it's like that, then it'd be
hard for me to imagine that the NFL guys aren't
the best.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Well, I'm surprised to hear you say this a little bit.
I think Jackson and I are the on the opposite
side from you and Dick. And that's fine. You guys
can be wrong, we can be right, doesn't matter. You're
that Hugh right. Well, but but here's the thing. So
one of my biggest concerns. I know one of your
concerns is tackle football going away, and I just I
just wonder if we do this and we see NFL
athletes playing flag football and people, hey, this is great,
(15:11):
this is fun. Who needs tackle football? Who needs to
worry about concussions and broken legs and rip cages and
things like that. Let's have all of our kids play
flag football instead of tackle football, and then at one
hundred years from now, tackle football is done because you
promoted this nonsense.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Well that's a fair that's a fair take. I would
say this. I could see a day where there's no
high school football. Yeah, me too, because because some class
action lawsuit, you know, and then all of a sudden
the school district say it's not even worth it. But
then then would be like a lot of other sports,
you'd say, well, for that age group, it would be
club football. So you'd see, you know, just a neighborhood club,
(15:51):
not unlike the youth football that I coached. You know,
I coached in the Mount Sie area. We'd have a
Mount Side instead of Mountside High School. It'd be outside
club football for you know, fifteen sixteen seventeen year olds,
right that you at least a half to have that
you can And I was on a youth football board
(16:12):
if they're and so I believe I'm a believer in
youth football for kids. I'm not going to get into
details about the how you assess the dangers and all that.
You could have a situation where there's no youth football,
only flag football until the high school age. Let's suppose
the czar of football just came out and said nobody
(16:33):
gets to play football until their freshmen in high school.
Football would still survive because you'd have enough good players
in high school that would be recruited. And of course
the real money pieces college football. College football would be saying, whoa, whoa, whoa.
We need a supply of labor. And sorry to call
it that, but that's what the Supreme Court calls players
(16:53):
the labor, and they need the labor for the money
making industry. So the labor would be supplied by the
club teams. But if they're not playing club football, right
then we got a big problem, David. That would be
where your concerns would manifest.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Well, let's, uh, Dick, let's do this because we got
a break in thirty seconds for a PGA Championship update.
So let's let's get a break. Let's let's keep Hugh
all right, We're gonna come back. And there's a there's
a lot of people out of the NBA Draft lottery
that are floating the idea of the NFL doing the
same damn thing. I want to get your thoughts on that.
We got to get his thoughts too. On the schedule, Dick.
That came out a couple of days ago for the
(17:31):
Seahawks obviously as well. Uh more with Hugh Millan. We'll
keep going with him. Get an update from quil Hollow
PG Championship courtesy at Westwood One. Right now on ninety
three to three KJRFM.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
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Speaker 1 (17:59):
Aw Right, We're back. I got a Friday night Sathi.
Dick Jackson here billing with you. Uh d mac Darren
McKee from out the Tude Sports will join us next
segment and talk about how the Nugs could take out
the Door Baby on Sunday and game number seven in
the Western Conference semi Finals. John Canzano as well in
the six pur six pm hour here. We want to
get to the NBA slash NFL lottery talk in a second,
(18:22):
but Dick's got one more on the flag football.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
So yeah, we were talking yesterday about you know, the
injuries and how you know NFL owners, you know, why
would they want their players to play flag football be
due to the injuries and my response was, well, the
NBA does it, and are do you think flag football
players would be any more prone to injury than the
guys that go play basketball.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
In the Olympics. No, it'd be I think that'd be
roughly the same. Yeah, that you'd have injuries, but I
think it's worth the I mean there used to be
you know, you'd send young players off to the uh,
the XFL or you know, the World League of American Football. Well,
that's a lot more dangerous. So the NFL's already had,
you know, a type of minor league, if you will,
(19:04):
And I think that this would be something that I
think there'd be quarterback development that would really help the
league and relative relatively few injuries.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
All right, Hugh. The NBA draft lottery was the other day.
A lot of people are crying foul when Dallas got
the number one pick and the rights to Cooper Flag.
And I saw a few folks, not a time, there
was a few folks I saw. Warren Sharp was responding
to this as a matter of fact, and how dumb
it was that, well the NFL to adapt a lottery
style system as well. Can you imagine if the NFL
(19:37):
had a lottery and the controversy and the case I mean,
for as much controversy as there is in the NBA lottery.
Imagine if the NFL did it so here, Were you
a fan of the NFL adopting the NBA lottery, Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Well, yes, I think they'd have to do it in
a in a different manner. But I gotta tell you
on this topic, I am absolutely gobsmacked at some of
the the takes that I've heard from some people that
I consider really brilliant people, friends of mine, smart guys,
well thought, and I cannot believe that anybody actually thinks
(20:13):
that there is a fix on the NBA lottery. And
basically their argument says, there are some picks over the
course of forty one years, there are some picks that
are consistent with a conspiracy theory, and they supply a motive.
For example, Okay, Luca got traded to the Lakers, so
let's reward the Mavericks. Okay, So you can point to
(20:35):
a handful of situations that would be consistent with that. Well,
that is to be weighed against a few factors, like
the risk. This is a twelve billion dollar industry, the NBA,
and it would crumble at its foundation if such a
fix were exposed, you would have at least Adam Silver
(20:56):
and perhaps others owners exposed to federal charge of securities fraud.
Does Adam Silver will is he willing to wear an
orange jumpsuit? What about the execution? Who knows about this fraud? Like?
Is it just Adam Silver? What is it the guys
that own the handle the ping pong balls? Does the
owner of the Mavericks?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
No?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Does the owner of the Lakers know well what happens
on a different No whistleblowers ever in forty one years.
Nobody ever, No emails, no text, no recorded conversations. What
about extortion risks for somebody to blow the whistle on this?
No deathbed confessions by any owners. Look, there are things
(21:39):
that happen that are that seemingly are against odds. First
of all, they've reduced no team has more than a
fourteen percent, So people are talking about this two percent. Okay,
the odds of blackjack and an eight deck shoe is
four point seventy five. The odds of back to back
a blackjack is zero point two six percent. And so
(22:00):
so a lot of things happen that are seemingly remote
in terms of its probability. But let's just go down
a few things. Yes, you could say that this year
appears to fit a narra. If you believe in the
narrative of a fix this would be a year. What
about other years you've still got? If there's five that
(22:22):
you can point to, that's ten percent, that would be
exactly what you would expect. What about Lebron to Cleveland
the eighteenth largest market? Did that make sense Wemby? I
thought when Wemby went to San Antonio, San Antonio's five
championships and they have the twenty fourth market out of
twenty eight. I thought, when Wemby went to San Antonio,
(22:42):
I said, finally, these fixed lottery people are gonna shut up,
because why would Wenby go to San Antonio Shaq had
a one and eleven chance of going Duncan and then
the next year Chris Webber went to Orlando. Does that
make any sense? The odds of that happening we're of
we'reer point one four percent. What about Anthony Bennett and
(23:05):
Andrew Wiggins going back to back to Cleveland? What sense
does that make? What about what about Anthony Davis going
to New Orleans Hornet and then zaying like like for
everyone got and going to Portland, why God, yes, yes,
so for everyone. You know what it's like, It's like
Murphy's law. People say, oh, I got an important meeting,
(23:26):
and wouldn't you know it? I got a there's a
there's a traffic jam. Well guess what you didn't count
the twenty five important meetings or the fifty flights that
you had that you didn't get in a traffic jam
and you went straight to the airport and you went
straight to your meeting. No problem. But Murphy's law tricks
you into thinking, oh, the probability, wouldn't you know it? Well,
(23:47):
that's what's exactly happening here. You if if your theory
is that you can bring up four or five examples
out of forty one that do fit a theory of conspiracy,
but don't account for the risk, don't account for the
execution problems, don't account for possible whistleblers, don't account for
any for the odds. Uh and the statistical enominies do happen.
(24:11):
If your theory doesn't address any of that, I'm sorry.
You got to do better. Your theory has got to
be better. Uh So at an event, I think it's
preposterous to to actually believe that there is a fix
in the NBA lottery. Now, do I think that they
make mistakes? Yeah, the ping pong balls show that on TV,
like you used to that that might quill somebody. I mean,
(24:33):
you got you got twenty guys media guys in the
room watching it. But evidently there's enough people talking about
smart people that I respect that I think are really
smart that somehow, like inexplicably, actually believe this. So put
the damn ping pong balls on live TV. Do something.
But this is absolutely nonsense in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Why does it seem like the dealer always gets back
to back blackshack on right when it's when it's only.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
You know what, it's a point point two six percent
chance of back to back, but you know what, you
played in a back tack black doesn't dick? Doesn't it
seem like there's a lot of back to back black tack? Yes?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
It does, Yeah, I mean for somebody else, Yes, exactly?
Why does why does green always show up when I'm black? Yeah,
just stood there all day, you'd see eventually everything, right, Yes.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
What has happened is exactly what we would expect on
a non rigged lottery. We would say about ten percent
of the time there would be a player that lands
at a situation where if you tilt your head one way,
you'd say, well, that kind of seems like that. That
was good for the league for that to happen, right,
But but I can show you nine out of ten
(25:42):
other times we go that makes no sense for the
league's perspective, or that's completely random, and that is precisely
what we would predict when we initiated the lottery.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
God, I hope, I hope the NFL adopts a lottery.
Watch people just freaking melt down over this whole thing.
All right, Hugh, We gotta get out of here, man,
good stuff. I'm joining of the weekend. We'll talk too
much time. Man, you're biling with us. Hey, when we
come back, we're gonna head back to Denver. Darren McKee,
d mack, that was the guy I was talking to
you guys about yesterday. That's the guy we had on
(26:14):
last year who was great on the air. D Mac's
gonna join us and talk about how hour and I
mean hour Denver Nuggets can make this happen and get
a big win in Game seven on Sunday against the
what are we calling them now, Dick the bastards, Is
that right? The bastards from Oklahoma City. We'll talk about
Game seven preview, maybe potentially one of the biggest basketball
(26:39):
games for Seattle since the Sonics left in two thousand
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