October 20, 2025 • 16 mins
Hugh Millen joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about the Mariners playing the biggest game in franchise history tonight, plus previews the Seahawks home game on Monday Night Football versus Houston and what happened to UW against Michigan.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, joining us right now on the radio program
(00:04):
our friend Hugh Millan, and Hugh, I've known you for
thirty almost thirty years now, I think twenty eight years,
going back to late nineties ninety nine, and I've never
uttered the words on the air. Mariners win tonight, and
they win the American League pennant, and it's very, very
overwhelming in some ways. So before we talk some football,
(00:24):
before we get your thoughts, Hughie on the Hawks and Texans.
You dub Michigan over the weekend. As a long time
Seattle light, give me your thoughts on this Mariner matchup
tonight against the Jays.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Man Well, I certainly am thinking back to year one.
I went to a lot of those games, listened to
knee house broadcasting games when I was doing my homework,
so I was in it from the beginning. It would
be something to finally, I can't believe it's been forty
nine years. But look, I don't have a lot to
add to the conversation other than then, guys, Dave, you
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and I talked earlier. I think that I compare this
to football in and then I'll pull it back to
baseball and football.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
You play once a week.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You you prepare all week, and when you drive to
that stadium, which oftentimes you know it's a police escort
to the stadium.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Every it feels.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Big because you're only playing once a week, right and
and and there's there's magnitude, and of course the NFL
playoffs you have higher magnitude. But every single playoff game
you play in the NFL obviously is winner Advanced, loser
go home. They're all seventh games. And so an NFL
athlete is kind of used to playing. When I when
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I play a game, it's got a lot of importance.
Now let's switch to baseball. Baseball, these guys, they amass
all their stats, all of their most a lot of times,
their reputation, their money uh based on on playing a
long set and a long series of inconsequential games one
sixty two. If I go for to oh for four today,
(01:55):
does it really matter? If I have an air today?
Does it really matter if I can't scoop up? You know,
if I charge the third baseline and I can't make
the bare handed, does it really matter? And so now
even when a baseball player, obviously there's a big rampuppy
getting the playoffs, But most playoff games, I would get
guess eighty percent of games are not you know, like
(02:18):
like fifth game of a five or seventh game of
a seventh. So even when playoff baseball, there's usually a tomorrow,
or at least for one team, there's a tomorrow. So
these guys tonight, here's my point. These guys tonight are
playing under stakes and a weight in a magnitude that
they are not usually playing Baseball has. Of all the
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team sports, there's the biggest gap between the weight of
what you usually do and what you have.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
In a game like tonight.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
And so it's just like, I'm just fascinating to see
who can handle that pressure and for example, how many
If there was a all knowing computer, they could tell
you the exact percentages of how often Julio would bobble
a ball like that in center field and turn a
single into double because he bought I mean a simple
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right at the eyeball's cap, Like I don't know what's
in his head. Maybe he was relaxed as hell, like
it's a May game, maybe it's a team it was
a March preseason game. But when you bobble a ball
like that, you invite the question like, are you feeling
the pressure? Because I would submit to you he could
do that play two hundred times in a regular season,
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three hundred times before he'd have an error in the
manner that he did. So just real simple. These baseball
players are not used to this weight, but they better
be able to operate in Hugh.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Talk about what you think the vibe in the stadium
will be like tonight for the Hawks and for those
Hawks players obviously they know what's going on around them,
But how weird is it gonna be? And was so
bizarre at Husky Stadium a couple of weeks ago. I
mean yet you know, by the middle of the second quarter,
at half the fans in the concourse not even watching
the football game.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So like, how do you think the vibe will be
and how do you think.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
It'll affect the Hawks either positively or negatively tonight?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, I mean it's a little off. And we know
that the Seahawks of late, the numbers are what the
numbers are. They've only won for the last twelve games
at home. That right, you know, hard stop and so
that's got to change. But I think that I don't
know that Mike McDonald would address that. But I think
that at some point you just have to say, hey,
you're a professional, whether or not the Texans have, you know,
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twenty thousand fans, which I obviously don't expect, but but
you'd pick any extreme whatever environment you're thrust it in.
It might start raining, it might start snowing. Like you
have to as an athlete be able to to just say, hey,
there's things beyond my control. There never excuses because nobody
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is going to, you know, give you an extra win
or advance you in the playoffs or anything by any
of your your excuse. As Don James said, don't tell
me about the pain, show me the baby. And so
if you know that that that goes for tonight with
the Maryors, it goes for the Seahawks tonight in whatever
environment they have to plan.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Did DJ really say that to you or did you
make that up.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
In your head? Now? He said it.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
He said it, And Gary Pinkell repeated on a frequent
basis the offensive coordinator in my quarterback coach so so,
and he would.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Always quote Coach James.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, you know what Coach James says, don't tell me
about the pain, show me the baby. I know, but
it sounds a little crass, but you know what, when
you got a nineteen year old who's trying to learn
about how to process a lot of different stimulis both
as an athlete, and then why do why do colleges
even get into the business of intercollegiate athletics?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Because there was a.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Time was thought and they all it was all back
in the IVY League days. The Premiere Academic Institution said,
there's a lesson to be learned for our young students
to participate in intercollegiate athletes, right, and there's lessons you
learn that you don't learn in any other classroom, and
stuff like accountability and the ability to say no excuses.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yes, that's a job done. Period into story. I think
those are great lessons. All right, Well, let's language is crass.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Let's talk about tonight's game. If we can sneek in
some dogs Michigan conversation. We all got about ten minutes
left here here. But I'm looking at a Texan football
team that is, you know, the record says they're two
and three, but their defense gave up fourteen to the Rams,
twenty to a good Tampa team, seventeen to Jacksonville, and
then shut out Tennessee and held the Ravens to ten.
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Is this a really good defensive football team that happens
to have a terrible offense?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
What are we talking about here? It's a really good
defensive team.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And they you know, they're number one, they're a touchdown
less than the Seahawks, in fact, more than a twelve
point two to nineteen point five in terms of points allowed.
So you could just stop right there. But they're they're
they're in the top five in yards, they're thirty yards
fourth and first down allowed. Look, they're a zone team
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that does a lot of zone pressures. They bring five guys,
five rushers at the quarterback, the fifth most in the NFL.
But yet their man demand usage is twentieth and Cover
one that's with a free safety, twenty ninth in Cover
zero that's man a man with no free safety.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
So they're they're.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Trying to play in a way a lot of ways
like Mike McDonald like, try and and simulate pressures, get
you to be a little bit hesitant, and then play
zone behind it so that your coverage has a little
bit more of a stop gap in terms of preventing
the big play.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
So that's what they've done the numbers.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Look you gotta go and Demico Ryans a hell of
a coach that you know, he inherited a three and
thirteen team his first year, they went ten and seven.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Now they got CJ.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Stroud with the second overall pick, they got Will Anderson.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
With the third.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Remember they traded up to and they got the second
and third pick of the draft that year, and they've
gone ten and seven back to back. They're yes, they're
only two and three day, but in the wildcard hunt,
Colts are obviously you're six and one ahead of that division.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
But in the wildcard hunt, there's only one team I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Excluding the division leaders, there's only one team that has
a better record in the lost call than them.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
That's the Bills.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
So they are in a four way tie with three
losses for the second and third wildcard team. They absolutely
believe they're a playoff team. They've been the playff team
in the last two years and so you know they're
they're going to come in rested with the buy and
on the feeling right in a two game winning streak
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that they're just starting to get things humming.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Well here, I can guarantee you tonight we're going to
be talking about those edge rushers you mentioned Will Anderson
and then daneil Hunter against the Hawks. Tackles and the
tackles right now, according to PFF, are graded eleventh and
twenty second out of seventy six qualified tackles. Do you
buy those eleventh for Cross, twenty second for a Blue
Does that kind of does that kind of check out
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with you? Based upon what your eyes have told you
about these guys?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
All right, let me start on the left side. In
my opinion, when I hear these things Charles Cross in
the past, I've said I don't really buy those numbers
because he's winning, but he's winning too deep into the pocket.
He's in the lap of Geno Smith, and so even
though his man didn't touch Geno Smith, he got walked
back too much into the pocket. I think Charles Cross
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is playing his best football right now.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
On the other side, it's the opposite.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I think, Abe Lucas, While you say, what was twenty
second grated? I think that they have tried to protect him.
They've chipped with him more. I think in one on
one situations, I think he's lost too many pivotal beginning
with the first game in the forty nine ers and Bosa.
Obviously that was a game wrecking play. But I think
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Lucas concerns me he's more likely to be against Will Anderson.
And then you know, for Daniel Hunter on the other side,
you know, I always look at the opponents their salary cap, like,
who do they think is their best player? Well, number
one on their salary cap is daneil Hunter at twenty
point two million, which is like the Seahawks highest guy
is I think under sixteen million, And so I looked
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at I said, well, what does that rank on edge players? Well,
it's behind only Micah Parson, TJ. Watt, and Miles Garrett.
He's the fourth guy, daneil Hunter. Now you probably heard
more heard of Will Anderson because of his you know,
college status and number three overall pick. But they got
some dudes up front in their defensive tackles are are
are playing really solid as well.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
That front four is legit. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I think about Daniel Hunter. I think about his days
in Minnesota, and I just looked it up. He's almost
thirty one years old. He's thirty one years old nine
days for God's sakes, and he's still kicking ass in
the NFL. So you know, look, I mean I said
this to Dick Hugh a couple of days ago that, look, man,
I mean, with this defense and McDonald's scheme and the
way Darnold's you know, spinning the football, they can just
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find a way to get some consistency with their run game.
Look out right, for this football team, how much confidence
do you have that they will find some consistency with
their run game? And do you think there's any chance
they'll fight it tonight?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I don't have confidence because I'm sick and tired of
talking about it and and trying to feign confidence, which
I really haven't done. I just I think, you know,
the evidence keeps stacking up that they just don't run
the ball. Well, I do think K nine should be
featured more. But but you know, this is, as we said,
the front four, the Tim Settle, the defensive tackle, Sheldon Rankings,
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and they got a hell of a middle linebacker and
as Ziz al Shah here.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Every time I watch.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Him play, I think that guy's like a you know,
a poor man's Fred Warner. So so I think they've
got some pieces and I am I am not riding
on the running game, turning it around as a vital
component to win tonight, because then I'm not crazy about
the chances of winning.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Hugh.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
If you get Lovi and Witherspoon both back, what does
that do to how you can use Nicky men War.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
That's a great question. I think what what it means.
I think you're gonna have Emon Worry as your nickel.
You can play more dime. So if you just want
to have one, you know Ernest Jones in there, and
so you can have that your overhang defenders be a
dB on either side. You could have Spoon on one side,
you could have Emon Worry on the other side. You
can have you can put Witherspoon at corner and you
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can have Emon Worry.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Be the nickel.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
And and I did not like his you know, he's
basically played two games. I thought his first game against
Tampa and you know, he was out of position too much.
I think he had a big vault in terms of
his assignment soundness. Uh if if that's a term we
can discuss last week. So I thought big vault that
you can just see the athleticism. You know, he's a tall,
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big rangy guys, just with beautiful movement movements. So so
this this has the potential to be a really impact player.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
We have not seen them together. I love it.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
The guy that they better keep an eye on his
Nico Collins thirty six temps the wide receiver, Nico Collins
more than double. The next closest guy is Christian Kirk,
who's out tonight at sixteen. So that you've got in CJ.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Stroud. He wants to get to Nico Collins. They got
a hundred.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
He's got one hundred and seventeen passer rating when he
throws the Nico Collins, so you better know where he
is whoever's in that secondary. But yeah, I think Mike
McDonald's kind of licking his chops to be able to
use some of these tools.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Hey here, we got like two minutes left, all right,
But I did want to get a quick take from
you on what the hell happened to you dub in
the second half? Seven to seven at halftime and then
they shot themselves in the foot, the ankle, the hip,
the shoulder, every body part you can imagine. Demon William
is just total meltdown offensively, pick pick, sack, fumble, turnover
on downs, pick, what the hell happened?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Well, First of all, the inability to run the ball
is somewhat you know, consistent with what we've talked about
with this with the Seahawks, and so that puts a
little bit of a burden on the passing game. But
both of those first two interceptions, the pivotal interceptions were
on first and ten, and in this day and a age,
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when you go forward on fourth down, it really hurts
to throw an interception on first and ten. The first
one that was essentially a pick uh pick six, that
was just slant flat. I was running that in middle
school football. I'm not even kidding, Like, if you can't
call slant flat, you got to just read off the
wheel linebacker. If you can't see him or aware you can't,
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you can't operate. And then the second one was why stick?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
That shit that the Wolverine's had a good five under
two deep zone defense, so you can glove that concept up.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Why stick?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And there was clearly signs of not coaching enough on
what you want with the tight end. Do you want
to hook it up on why stick? Or do you
want to keep on the move away for the middle
linebacker because quarterback and the tight end uh work. But
the bigger picture, Demon Williams was given that time a
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year ago you had Jetfish came back on the November
eleventh of last year. He said, he said, hey, we
got demand this experience. This is gonna help him. Uh
and he mentioned a slant route in front of one
hundred and seven thousand. Well, fast forward a year he
threw a slant route in front of one hundred and
seven thousand.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
It was basically a pick six.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So Demon Williams was given all that grooming for a
game like Saturday. He has yet to really produce a
signature win. And don't tell me it's the Bowl game
from last year. I'll go get into that game either.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Well, first of all, I would just add this Demon
hasn't done it. Neither was Jetfish. I mean, those guys
are kind of tired of the hip. You know, neither
one has had that signature win.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
All right, here we got to run.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
You're doing postgame with Dick tonight after the game around
ten night.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
What a night, Seattle, enjoy it. Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
All right, We got about a minute left and I'll
just say this, you guys can chime in whatever happens
tonight with the Mariners. Sound corneous Hell. Corneous Hell, I
want to be proud of my baseball team tonight. I
was not proud of them last night with the way
they played in Toronto. I want to be proud. You
lose the game, you lose the game, but you go
down freaking swinging in this game tonight.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
That's all I want. And if they do that, they're
gonna have a shot
All right, joining us right now on the radio program
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our friend Hugh Millan, and Hugh, I've known you for
thirty almost thirty years now, I think twenty eight years,
going back to late nineties ninety nine, and I've never
uttered the words on the air. Mariners win tonight, and
they win the American League pennant, and it's very, very
overwhelming in some ways. So before we talk some football,
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before we get your thoughts, Hughie on the Hawks and Texans.
You dub Michigan over the weekend. As a long time
Seattle light, give me your thoughts on this Mariner matchup
tonight against the Jays.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Man Well, I certainly am thinking back to year one.
I went to a lot of those games, listened to
knee house broadcasting games when I was doing my homework,
so I was in it from the beginning. It would
be something to finally, I can't believe it's been forty
nine years. But look, I don't have a lot to
add to the conversation other than then, guys, Dave, you
(00:54):
and I talked earlier. I think that I compare this
to football in and then I'll pull it back to
baseball and football.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
You play once a week.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You you prepare all week, and when you drive to
that stadium, which oftentimes you know it's a police escort
to the stadium.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Every it feels.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Big because you're only playing once a week, right and
and and there's there's magnitude, and of course the NFL
playoffs you have higher magnitude. But every single playoff game
you play in the NFL obviously is winner Advanced, loser
go home. They're all seventh games. And so an NFL
athlete is kind of used to playing. When I when
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I play a game, it's got a lot of importance.
Now let's switch to baseball. Baseball, these guys, they amass
all their stats, all of their most a lot of times,
their reputation, their money uh based on on playing a
long set and a long series of inconsequential games one
sixty two. If I go for to oh for four today,
(01:55):
does it really matter? If I have an air today?
Does it really matter if I can't scoop up? You know,
if I charge the third baseline and I can't make
the bare handed, does it really matter? And so now
even when a baseball player, obviously there's a big rampuppy
getting the playoffs, But most playoff games, I would get
guess eighty percent of games are not you know, like
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like fifth game of a five or seventh game of
a seventh. So even when playoff baseball, there's usually a tomorrow,
or at least for one team, there's a tomorrow. So
these guys tonight, here's my point. These guys tonight are
playing under stakes and a weight in a magnitude that
they are not usually playing Baseball has. Of all the
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team sports, there's the biggest gap between the weight of
what you usually do and what you have.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
In a game like tonight.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
And so it's just like, I'm just fascinating to see
who can handle that pressure and for example, how many
If there was a all knowing computer, they could tell
you the exact percentages of how often Julio would bobble
a ball like that in center field and turn a
single into double because he bought I mean a simple
(03:09):
right at the eyeball's cap, Like I don't know what's
in his head. Maybe he was relaxed as hell, like
it's a May game, maybe it's a team it was
a March preseason game. But when you bobble a ball
like that, you invite the question like, are you feeling
the pressure? Because I would submit to you he could
do that play two hundred times in a regular season,
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three hundred times before he'd have an error in the
manner that he did. So just real simple. These baseball
players are not used to this weight, but they better
be able to operate in Hugh.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Talk about what you think the vibe in the stadium
will be like tonight for the Hawks and for those
Hawks players obviously they know what's going on around them,
But how weird is it gonna be? And was so
bizarre at Husky Stadium a couple of weeks ago. I
mean yet you know, by the middle of the second quarter,
at half the fans in the concourse not even watching
the football game.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So like, how do you think the vibe will be
and how do you think.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
It'll affect the Hawks either positively or negatively tonight?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, I mean it's a little off. And we know
that the Seahawks of late, the numbers are what the
numbers are. They've only won for the last twelve games
at home. That right, you know, hard stop and so
that's got to change. But I think that I don't
know that Mike McDonald would address that. But I think
that at some point you just have to say, hey,
you're a professional, whether or not the Texans have, you know,
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twenty thousand fans, which I obviously don't expect, but but
you'd pick any extreme whatever environment you're thrust it in.
It might start raining, it might start snowing. Like you
have to as an athlete be able to to just say, hey,
there's things beyond my control. There never excuses because nobody
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is going to, you know, give you an extra win
or advance you in the playoffs or anything by any
of your your excuse. As Don James said, don't tell
me about the pain, show me the baby. And so
if you know that that that goes for tonight with
the Maryors, it goes for the Seahawks tonight in whatever
environment they have to plan.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Did DJ really say that to you or did you
make that up.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
In your head? Now? He said it.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
He said it, And Gary Pinkell repeated on a frequent
basis the offensive coordinator in my quarterback coach so so,
and he would.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Always quote Coach James.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, you know what Coach James says, don't tell me
about the pain, show me the baby. I know, but
it sounds a little crass, but you know what, when
you got a nineteen year old who's trying to learn
about how to process a lot of different stimulis both
as an athlete, and then why do why do colleges
even get into the business of intercollegiate athletics?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Because there was a.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Time was thought and they all it was all back
in the IVY League days. The Premiere Academic Institution said,
there's a lesson to be learned for our young students
to participate in intercollegiate athletes, right, and there's lessons you
learn that you don't learn in any other classroom, and
stuff like accountability and the ability to say no excuses.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yes, that's a job done. Period into story. I think
those are great lessons. All right, Well, let's language is crass.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Let's talk about tonight's game. If we can sneek in
some dogs Michigan conversation. We all got about ten minutes
left here here. But I'm looking at a Texan football
team that is, you know, the record says they're two
and three, but their defense gave up fourteen to the Rams,
twenty to a good Tampa team, seventeen to Jacksonville, and
then shut out Tennessee and held the Ravens to ten.
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Is this a really good defensive football team that happens
to have a terrible offense?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
What are we talking about here? It's a really good
defensive team.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And they you know, they're number one, they're a touchdown
less than the Seahawks, in fact, more than a twelve
point two to nineteen point five in terms of points allowed.
So you could just stop right there. But they're they're
they're in the top five in yards, they're thirty yards
fourth and first down allowed. Look, they're a zone team
(07:03):
that does a lot of zone pressures. They bring five guys,
five rushers at the quarterback, the fifth most in the NFL.
But yet their man demand usage is twentieth and Cover
one that's with a free safety, twenty ninth in Cover
zero that's man a man with no free safety.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
So they're they're.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Trying to play in a way a lot of ways
like Mike McDonald like, try and and simulate pressures, get
you to be a little bit hesitant, and then play
zone behind it so that your coverage has a little
bit more of a stop gap in terms of preventing
the big play.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
So that's what they've done the numbers.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Look you gotta go and Demico Ryans a hell of
a coach that you know, he inherited a three and
thirteen team his first year, they went ten and seven.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Now they got CJ.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Stroud with the second overall pick, they got Will Anderson.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
With the third.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Remember they traded up to and they got the second
and third pick of the draft that year, and they've
gone ten and seven back to back. They're yes, they're
only two and three day, but in the wildcard hunt,
Colts are obviously you're six and one ahead of that division.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
But in the wildcard hunt, there's only one team I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Excluding the division leaders, there's only one team that has
a better record in the lost call than them.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
That's the Bills.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
So they are in a four way tie with three
losses for the second and third wildcard team. They absolutely
believe they're a playoff team. They've been the playff team
in the last two years and so you know they're
they're going to come in rested with the buy and
on the feeling right in a two game winning streak
(08:38):
that they're just starting to get things humming.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Well here, I can guarantee you tonight we're going to
be talking about those edge rushers you mentioned Will Anderson
and then daneil Hunter against the Hawks. Tackles and the
tackles right now, according to PFF, are graded eleventh and
twenty second out of seventy six qualified tackles. Do you
buy those eleventh for Cross, twenty second for a Blue
Does that kind of does that kind of check out
(09:02):
with you? Based upon what your eyes have told you
about these guys?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
All right, let me start on the left side. In
my opinion, when I hear these things Charles Cross in
the past, I've said I don't really buy those numbers
because he's winning, but he's winning too deep into the pocket.
He's in the lap of Geno Smith, and so even
though his man didn't touch Geno Smith, he got walked
back too much into the pocket. I think Charles Cross
(09:25):
is playing his best football right now.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
On the other side, it's the opposite.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I think, Abe Lucas, While you say, what was twenty
second grated? I think that they have tried to protect him.
They've chipped with him more. I think in one on
one situations, I think he's lost too many pivotal beginning
with the first game in the forty nine ers and Bosa.
Obviously that was a game wrecking play. But I think
(09:51):
Lucas concerns me he's more likely to be against Will Anderson.
And then you know, for Daniel Hunter on the other side,
you know, I always look at the opponents their salary cap, like,
who do they think is their best player? Well, number
one on their salary cap is daneil Hunter at twenty
point two million, which is like the Seahawks highest guy
is I think under sixteen million, And so I looked
(10:12):
at I said, well, what does that rank on edge players? Well,
it's behind only Micah Parson, TJ. Watt, and Miles Garrett.
He's the fourth guy, daneil Hunter. Now you probably heard
more heard of Will Anderson because of his you know,
college status and number three overall pick. But they got
some dudes up front in their defensive tackles are are
are playing really solid as well.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
That front four is legit. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I think about Daniel Hunter. I think about his days
in Minnesota, and I just looked it up. He's almost
thirty one years old. He's thirty one years old nine
days for God's sakes, and he's still kicking ass in
the NFL. So you know, look, I mean I said
this to Dick Hugh a couple of days ago that, look, man,
I mean, with this defense and McDonald's scheme and the
way Darnold's you know, spinning the football, they can just
(10:54):
find a way to get some consistency with their run game.
Look out right, for this football team, how much confidence
do you have that they will find some consistency with
their run game? And do you think there's any chance
they'll fight it tonight?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I don't have confidence because I'm sick and tired of
talking about it and and trying to feign confidence, which
I really haven't done. I just I think, you know,
the evidence keeps stacking up that they just don't run
the ball. Well, I do think K nine should be
featured more. But but you know, this is, as we said,
the front four, the Tim Settle, the defensive tackle, Sheldon Rankings,
(11:29):
and they got a hell of a middle linebacker and
as Ziz al Shah here.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Every time I watch.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Him play, I think that guy's like a you know,
a poor man's Fred Warner. So so I think they've
got some pieces and I am I am not riding
on the running game, turning it around as a vital
component to win tonight, because then I'm not crazy about
the chances of winning.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Hugh.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
If you get Lovi and Witherspoon both back, what does
that do to how you can use Nicky men War.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
That's a great question. I think what what it means.
I think you're gonna have Emon Worry as your nickel.
You can play more dime. So if you just want
to have one, you know Ernest Jones in there, and
so you can have that your overhang defenders be a
dB on either side. You could have Spoon on one side,
you could have Emon Worry on the other side. You
can have you can put Witherspoon at corner and you
(12:21):
can have Emon Worry.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Be the nickel.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
And and I did not like his you know, he's
basically played two games. I thought his first game against
Tampa and you know, he was out of position too much.
I think he had a big vault in terms of
his assignment soundness. Uh if if that's a term we
can discuss last week. So I thought big vault that
you can just see the athleticism. You know, he's a tall,
(12:46):
big rangy guys, just with beautiful movement movements. So so
this this has the potential to be a really impact player.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
We have not seen them together. I love it.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
The guy that they better keep an eye on his
Nico Collins thirty six temps the wide receiver, Nico Collins
more than double. The next closest guy is Christian Kirk,
who's out tonight at sixteen. So that you've got in CJ.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Stroud. He wants to get to Nico Collins. They got
a hundred.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
He's got one hundred and seventeen passer rating when he
throws the Nico Collins, so you better know where he
is whoever's in that secondary. But yeah, I think Mike
McDonald's kind of licking his chops to be able to
use some of these tools.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Hey here, we got like two minutes left, all right,
But I did want to get a quick take from
you on what the hell happened to you dub in
the second half? Seven to seven at halftime and then
they shot themselves in the foot, the ankle, the hip,
the shoulder, every body part you can imagine. Demon William
is just total meltdown offensively, pick pick, sack, fumble, turnover
on downs, pick, what the hell happened?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Well, First of all, the inability to run the ball
is somewhat you know, consistent with what we've talked about
with this with the Seahawks, and so that puts a
little bit of a burden on the passing game. But
both of those first two interceptions, the pivotal interceptions were
on first and ten, and in this day and a age,
(14:06):
when you go forward on fourth down, it really hurts
to throw an interception on first and ten. The first
one that was essentially a pick uh pick six, that
was just slant flat. I was running that in middle
school football. I'm not even kidding, Like, if you can't
call slant flat, you got to just read off the
wheel linebacker. If you can't see him or aware you can't,
(14:29):
you can't operate. And then the second one was why stick?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
That shit that the Wolverine's had a good five under
two deep zone defense, so you can glove that concept up.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Why stick?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And there was clearly signs of not coaching enough on
what you want with the tight end. Do you want
to hook it up on why stick? Or do you
want to keep on the move away for the middle
linebacker because quarterback and the tight end uh work. But
the bigger picture, Demon Williams was given that time a
(15:04):
year ago you had Jetfish came back on the November
eleventh of last year. He said, he said, hey, we
got demand this experience. This is gonna help him. Uh
and he mentioned a slant route in front of one
hundred and seven thousand. Well, fast forward a year he
threw a slant route in front of one hundred and
seven thousand.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
It was basically a pick six.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So Demon Williams was given all that grooming for a
game like Saturday. He has yet to really produce a
signature win. And don't tell me it's the Bowl game
from last year. I'll go get into that game either.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Well, first of all, I would just add this Demon
hasn't done it. Neither was Jetfish. I mean, those guys
are kind of tired of the hip. You know, neither
one has had that signature win.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
All right, here we got to run.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
You're doing postgame with Dick tonight after the game around
ten night.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
What a night, Seattle, enjoy it. Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
All right, We got about a minute left and I'll
just say this, you guys can chime in whatever happens
tonight with the Mariners. Sound corneous Hell. Corneous Hell, I
want to be proud of my baseball team tonight. I
was not proud of them last night with the way
they played in Toronto. I want to be proud. You
lose the game, you lose the game, but you go
down freaking swinging in this game tonight.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
That's all I want. And if they do that, they're
gonna have a shot
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