October 24, 2025 • 24 mins
Hugh Millen joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about the end of the Mariners season, a funny Sam Darnold trade, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, and Seattle’s running game.
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
How are you, pal?
Speaker 4 (00:46):
I'm doing well. How are you doing? Ah? Pretty good?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Just sitting here.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I'm just sitting here trying to get over the loss,
as per Paul Moyer's requests from from Monday.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And you know, I don't know. I think I'm doing okay.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
If I was a ten in the misery scale on
Tuesday I'm probably a seven for now. And then Dick Fae, well,
Dick Fane asked me in the break, hey do you
want to watch the World Series?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
And the misery went up to about an eight. So oh,
I'm gonna I.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
Can't even ask him if he wants to watch it.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
You know, I like this.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
How can can we all just fan the way we
want a fan, based on our values and let other
people fan how they want to fan?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Is that?
Speaker 6 (01:23):
Is that too difficult of a mandate to follow? No,
you have to get over it now, Paul, okay.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
All right?
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Well yeah, yeah, Well Paul's a good guy. But I
I think that I think that him trying to I
don't know, just yeah, just.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Fave it alone, leave it alone. Well how are you doing?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I mean, you've been a Mariner fan for a long time.
What'd you make of what you saw Monday night?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Man?
Speaker 6 (01:47):
Well, you know, here's what I get to and and
and obviously much of the most of the discussion has
been bizarre too versus Springer, right, but Bizardo. But here's
a thought. Every national pundit and local pundit for the
last several years have said, what if the Mariners just
get to the postseason that pitching staff, particularly the starters,
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they're gonna carry them right, and to that end, from
twenty twenty two to this two twenty and twenty five,
for over four year period, the Seattle Mariners have three
hundred and twelve quality starts. That is number one in baseball.
The Phillies are second to three h nine. That's forty
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eight point one percent of the start. So the last
four season have been quality starts, again best in baseball.
This year in the postseason, twelve postseason games, two quality starts,
sixteen point seven percent. You say, well, it's different, right, yeah,
they popular ear I understand the Dodgers this year are
eight of ten obviously eighty percent, okay. And so if
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if you look at how the the starters went in
you had you lose four games to the Blue Jays.
Obviously Kirby, Now Kirby game seven gave you a winnable effort,
but in Game three, Kirby had an ERA of eighteen.
Castillo in game four and a loss, had an ERA
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of eleven point six. Gilbert had a loss with an
ERA of nine. So the combination of your starters, the
guys we've heard for four years and they laid it
out there, they gave you the evidence. I just cited
it that that that was something to believe in. In
their losses, they had a ten point five ERA. Now
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you had Castillo. His R went up nine point oh
four percent from regular season to the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Gilberts went up forty one.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Percent, and George Kirby's his rose by forty three percent.
It's a little unfair because he gave you three out
of four of winnable starts. But there have been forty
five different pitchers this postseason in Major League Baseball to
start one or more games. One only one started four,
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and that's George Kirby, and you lost three out of
the four that he started. Blake Sneil's three for three,
three starts, three quality starts, Trek Scuble three starts, three
quality starts. O Tani two starts, two quality starts. So
I think, yes, we're talking about the seventh inning. Will continue,
unfortunately to talk about it and hear about it when
we don't want to hear about it. But I think
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just a little bit of that, Hey, you count on
the starting pitching to be there when you needed it.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I just cited the numbers.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
I don't know what that means, but I think that
that what we counted on being on being reliable, it
wasn't as reliable as we thought, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Here, Before we get into the really good nuts and
bolts of Hubreed Love Millan analysis on the Seahawks, engage
in the silly season with us for a second. I
have you been listening to our silly season Sam Donald
conversation all today?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
You have not a little bit.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
You have not heard our show.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
I thought he listened.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Thanks for the support.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Oh right, Well, I don't know how the compensation got
the four first round draft picks, Dave, I don't know
how it got that far, but we had a battle
and discussing the value of Sam Donald to this football team.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Just ask the question, no leading questions, don't don't, don't,
don't cheat here and give him your opinion.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Give him the question, would you trade Sam Donald away
for four first round draft picks?
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Right now? Jesus?
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Well, first of all, I think that they you can't.
You can't go for I think.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
We said we said that.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Yeah, just no player in history has ever gone.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Okay, we get it. Just dance with.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Us strictly coffee and beer talk I've lost all sense
of pragmatism. Correct, Yes, oh say coffee and beer talk. Wow,
I think that. I don't think the Kansas City Chiefs
would trade Pat Mahomes for a first rounder every single
year the rest of his career, right, So I do
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think that an elite quarterback there is a component. If
you're just like really trying to analyze it. I can't
imagine that Sam Darnold has risen his stock enough to
say that he's worth four number ones, because no player
has ever. But of course no, that's not been allowed. Yeah,
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I don't know. I would I do it? Would I
actually do it? Like tomorrow, tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Somebody calls you the rule they changed, Roger Goodell says.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
We've changed the rules.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Yes, well you're yeah, for the rest of this year,
you're going to.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, I knew it was an automatic. Yeah, I'm surprised.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
Yeah, I mean I probably would, but I would get
the sentim I mean, then then then you're kind of
right back where you started. For like, Okay, are you
gonna be able to you should be able to package
to get a quarterback. I'd probably do it, Yeah, probably
do it, but.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It's not but it's not it's not an automatic yes,
Like you're not I'm understanding who's on which side.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
You're not.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
You're not getting a phone call from some drunk GM
and you're like, oh, yes, yes, before the guy could
even change his mind, you're considering that, right like you're
considering hanging on the sand.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I think John Snops would do it.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
And I think just basically principles that have been you know,
ascribed into the universe, you know, long before we got here.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Right like like.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
A quarterback who was a free agent on his fifth team,
you know, it is not worth four first round draft picks.
That's just like like a law that it you know,
yeah's written on a stone tablet somewhere on a mountain,
and you just follow that that command.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I probably would do it too, you know, as I
told Dick on the ear, Dick would do it. I
probably would do it, But I also would be a
little queasy. I don't know what we think Sam Darnold's going.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
To become Hughy.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
If he's going to become a guy who's going to
be here for six or seven years as a certain
commodity at quarterback, are you willing to take that and
turn it into an uncertain commodity and give up the
most important position in sports to do it.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
Yeah, no, I get it. And I'll tell you here's
the thought that I don't know how I stumbled on this,
but all the quarterbacks in history that have won seventy
five percent of their games or more, and now.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
This is minimum of sixty starts.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
Okay, So you've got autogram, you got Darryl Lamonica, and
you've got Pat Mahomes coming into the year.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I got to update it.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
Actually, I think he might have slipped below because he
was right at seventy five percent. Tom Brady was at
seventy four point nine percent. He missed that threshold by
zero point one percent. Okay, so that's the rarity coming
into the year. Sam Darnold was eighteen and six in
his last twenty four games. Now, I don't know when
you should get excited about seventy five percent.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
Is it three out of four? Is it nine out
of twelve? Like you tell me, I'll play by whatever
rules you want to go. You want to go, you know,
sixty out of eighty, you tell me the rules. But
seventy five percent is a hell of a freaking accomplishment.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
He came in.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
At at seventy five percent, and you know, we're kind
of almost hovering about that right now. So I don't know.
I think I think he may have found something. Remember now,
he was drafted as a twenty year old, he gave
up two years of eligibility at USC And then don't
even get me started on the offensive coordinators. I've done
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the deep dive that both you know, the offensive coordinators,
they they were out of football once they got done
with the Jets, at least out of the NFL. And
one of them is Jeremy Bates. I don't know he's
doing selling insurance. I don't I don't know. He's like
I looked it up, like these guys did not get
another job after o C and at the Jets. So
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then when you watch the tape at at how mangled
those offenses were. I have because I'm sick. I go
back and you know, when we acquire Sam Mortal and
uh and and uh so at an event, I think
it's an interesting turn this this I would say, however
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you feel about I think we should all be able
to get on this point. He's a hell of a
freaking good dude. Now that doesn't mean Diddley pooh when
it comes to wins and you know, but but I
think he's uniquely a good dude, uh knowing a lot,
you know, just being down there at SC talking to
a lot of the people there, and they talked about
him like he walked on water.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
And I'm like, I'm like, am I at USC or
Kansas State? Right right? Dick?
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Like like they like, I'm sittinger thinking, you know, you
guys have had a lot of superstars come through here.
Why are you talking about Sam Darnold like like he
levitates on the above the ground. But that's that's how
people feel about him. I think the leadership, the things
that are coming in. I wouldn't want to trade him
for for four first rounders because I because who would
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be our quarterback next Sunday?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
You know, I don't know. But then I would say,
what are you an idiot? Well, how do you not
trade him for four first rounder?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I don't know, you know, by the way, Jeremy Bates
is out of football and has been first seven years.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
And then the other guy, the other guy was like
he had some weird like dimwit's last name. I don't know,
he's in college. But but but the guy who followed him,
look that guy up. He never coached in the NFL
again either.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Well, so, the thing that you talked about Sam when
we got him was his ability to throw downfield. And
he's leading the NFL and completion percentage and yards and
passes twenty plus yards downfield. So are you seeing the
exact same Sam Donald that you saw in film last year?
Is he a better version? Is he a slightly worse version?
Where is he compareding compared to the fourteen and three
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Sam Donald we saw last year.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
I think he's really damn similar, and I think that
they were even more under center. I mean they're under
center pretty often now, but the play action numbers are
alive they were last year. You know, he was producing
big plays. He was number one in the NFL and
completion's over twenty yards and more twenty five yards and more.
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So he was a downfield guy. Right now, Sam Donald
is number one in the NFL in yards per attempt,
yards per completion percentage of his completions that go for
ten or more yards. By the way, that's fifty eight percent.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Number one.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
Number two I found interesting for obvious reasons is Michael
Pennix at fifty two point one. I mean a six
percent gap. That gap between one and two is great,
and the gap between two and seven. So I mean
everywhere you look, you say, whoa this ball is getting
down the field.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
The NFL, the stat portal.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
That I plug into, they have a thing called checkdown percentage.
He's thirtieth out of thirty two, which means he's checking
down the few you know, the third fewest of any quarterback.
And yet his off target percentage that the NFL also
tracks six point three percent off target ten point four
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is average. He's number two in the second best I
should say second lowest, which you want to be low obviously,
So he's doing what pushing the ball down the field?
Ad or near the best, really the best, and his
accuracy is the second best, and his checkdowns is is
third lowest.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Like like.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
You want to build a numbers based argument for this guy.
He's a starter in the Pro Bowl. Again, excuse me,
he's a at least a Pro Bowl. I have to
look who's NFC. Who would be in competition.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Jalen hurts uh for for what?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
The Pro Bowl? At quarterback?
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Oh no, it would be right now, would be.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
It would be big Baker, but but he he'd be,
you know, being the discussion for number two.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I haven't looked muh. You know.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
I think Dak Prescott's out than a hell of you.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
He's got it.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
He's got a better QBR than Baker Mayfield does. Right now,
Dak Prescott leads the NFL and QBR by the way,
eighty one point two.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
But yeah, three, Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yes, he's more in the conversation now than Geno Smith
was a couple of years ago when you and I
got into that little uh Donnybrook on the air, Remember
that conversation about Geno Smith and the MVP and all
that stuff. So he's way more in the conversation now
than Gino was. But hey, he do me a favorite
because I want to come back and I know Dick's
got more for you. I want to talk about Jackson
Jackson Smith than Jigba. I think there's a simple question
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that needs to be asked. Is this offensive approach with
Jackson Smith than jigbah get almost every target just collecting
numbers like he's Pacman. Is this sustainable for the Seahawk
offense or at some point are they going to have
to find a number two wide receiver, a consistent guy
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Speaker 3 (15:54):
Humilan rejoins us because I'm sick on the radio program.
Here I go to ask you about Jackson Smith and Jigba.
I know you love to play this game. I kind
of believe that I may have started this game and
you just kind of stole it for yourself.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
But that's fine, I'll give it to you.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Jackson Smith and Jigba leads the NFL and receiving yards
by one hundred and ninety yards over the next best
player in that category, and that's Jamar Chase. That is
the same gap between number two and number seventeen in
the NFL. That's how far Jackson Smith and Jigba is
in front of Jamar Chase. The crazy thing is that
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Jamar Chase has done that on ten more targets than
Jackson's got and eight more catches than Jackson Smith than
Jigba has. HI mean, he's a legit first team All
Pro if not if not guaranteed. Yeah, first team All
Pro wide receiver right now. But my question is this sustainable?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Right?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I Mean, at some point our defense is going to
figure it out and take this guy away. Can they
continue to roll offensively with Jackson Smith and Jigba on
pace for one hundred and seventy targets and this bigger
percentage of the offense.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Well, first of all, I was playing that game when
you were just itching your daddy's tidy whities.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
All right, So let's established because I'm sick, how about that? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (17:10):
So but yeah, JSN one hundred and seventeen yards per game,
pukah Nikua at one o three. Those are the only
two guys over over one hundred. Let let's look at
it like this. You have the you have seventy targets
for JSN, and you have the next closest guy on
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the Seahawks is Cooper Cup at thirty three. So we're
gonna say thirty three as a percentage of seventy is
forty seven point one. Dick, write that down, please, Okay,
So that's where the Seahawks are. Their second their second
highest targeted player is forty seven point one percent of
their highest got mekay. Let's take all of the division
leaders right now. There's eight of them. The average of
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them is seventy nine point four percent. Seven of eight
are above sixty percent. Half of them are above eighty
eight percent. If you look at the last three seasons
the Super Bowl winners, they average eighty one percent, and
again the Seahawks are. None of them are under fifty percent.
By the way, the Seahawks again forty seven point one percent.
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What about the third guy that's a J. Barner with
twenty two, he has thirty one percent of the top
guy for all teams these division leaders, the averages is
sixty three percent.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Got me?
Speaker 6 (18:30):
So the third most targeted receiver on all the division
leaders is sixty three percent of the highest guy on
that particular team and the Seahawks are less than half
of that at thirty one percent. So there's the numbers.
What does it suggest to me? I look and say, look,
there's not a lot of problems with the offense the playoff.
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If the playoff started this weekend, the Seahawks would be
the number six seed in the NFC. They in yards
per game, their tenth points per game, their fifth passing
yards per game, there's seventh. Now, first downs they're sixteenth,
third down conversion they're twenty seventh. So I look and
say things are pretty good in a bye week? Is
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that what teams do as they say, well, we're pretty good,
let's just leave well alone enough alone?
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Or do they look at ways they could try and
be better?
Speaker 6 (19:20):
In my opinion, And I went back today and I
watched the tape of all of jsn' seventy targets, of
which he caught fifty exactly. You know why you did that,
because I'm simp thank you, nice good pull. Have that
on the ready, put that on the on the speed doll.
So of the twenty incompletions, I if I was the
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quarterback for the Seawks quarterback coach rather for the Seahawks,
I would give eleven minuses on those twenty incompletions to
JSN where the ball should have gone elsewhere, including six
of the eleven to Cooper Cup.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
So you've got that. So there are.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Plays, and then there's another four where I just had
to put it in a category of either one I
wouldn't have been as a quarterback coach upset if he
had gone to somebody else. And you've got a Royo
and Horton in some of those. And then now there's
ten screen passes. He out of fifty catches, he's got
ten screens. I look and I say, if you're trying
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to get guys involved, why not throw the screen to Horton.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
He's a punt returner.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Yeah, you feel that about his his you know, open
field running ability.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Why not throw it to Cup? So I think that
I think that.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I don't want to over overcorrect the Seahawks offense. Sam
Donold doesn't have a problem, Clint Kubiak, It's all pretty
damn good. But what if JSN gets hurt for crying
out loud? Oh yeah? What if a team comes in
with the plan that that like like they are just
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absolutely rolling every time he's on the outside, they're rolling
to him. Every time that he's in the slot, they're
going to walk somebody out and jam the hell out
of him, like like like the Seahawks did in the
NFC Championship game against Steve Smith. I don't know why
that just came to my mind, right, who's fifty seven
for the Seahawks?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (21:13):
But fifty seven would just just mug him at the light?
Leroy Hill?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Was it? Is it Leo ray Hill? By then?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, Leroy Hill? Because Leroy and your starting lineback. I
feel like there's yeah, I know, but I feel like
it's it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
So the point.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Is is it is because I'm sick with somebody else
with that last name begins with them.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
But I don't know. I probably got the number about
Michael Bower no last.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Name B and M or Yeah, I know, come on,
come on, because I'm sick so edited that I digress.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
But but I don't know, what do you guys think?
You tell me?
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Like, like, is that if I've I've just cited the
stats for the division leaders, what the averages are, what
super Bowl? And the fact that that nobody is with
the in even half of the targets, as I said,
forty seven point one percent, nobody is within half?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Is that a problem? And I.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Don't know, I feel like it's shoot it, well, who's
the was it? Chris LaDue, the country singer, He had
this song he says, cowboys riding for a fall, And
and I think when you're in bye week, that's the
time for self scouting and a little bit of introspection, like, hey,
how can we get better? Where things are pretty damn good?
Can we even be better? And I think that they
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can be even better if they just tweak the balance
a little bit. And I'll just I'll close with this
thought on it. So, when I was at the Cowboys,
Michael Irvin had I don't remember this happen in any
other time in my career. Michael Irvin had carte blanche.
When when the Cowboys broke the huddle. He could go
wherever the hell he wanted to be the primary receiver,
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and Alvin Harper or whomever they had to just adjust
Michael was going. When I watched the tape of the Seahawks,
Honest to god, I feel like JSN has the leeway
to go wherever he wants to be their primary receiver.
Because it's startling to me when I watch through the progressions.
I know this stuff, I coach this stuff. I look
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at it and I go, He's the primary again. He's
the primary again, He's the primary again. Now, I do
want to say this, This has to be mentioned. There
are times when, particularly on a mirrored routes against Jacksonville,
they broke out the shake route, which is a post
corner and then on a flat angle return, so it's
a double shake essentially. Just to put it in lay terms,
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So if you're Sam Darnold, I got JSN doing a
shake on my far left, I've got Cooper Cup doing
a shake on my far right, and guess what, JSN
just ran it better and he got more open. So
I don't want to negate that part of it. And
if I'm the quarterback, I'm throwing it to JSN in
those situations, and if I'm the quarterback coach, yeah, I'm
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saying that's exactly where you should have thrown it. So
it's a it's a confluence of all these factors.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
But I think a little bit of a tweak.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
All right, Hey, here we got we got literally one minute,
lefty quickly one minute.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Is this running game fixable or thirtieth at three point
seven yards per attempt?
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Probably not? Probably not fixable. I mean in the way
that you want to see.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Fixable door to reasonable give me in the middle of
the league.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Nope, I'm not going there. I've seen too much of
this offensive line through the years. I don't think you're
gonna get materially better in the running game.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Sorry, Yeah, hope you're wrong, my friend, Hope you're wrong.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
All right, good stuff, Enjoy the weekend, Go dogs tomorrow
and we'll talk on Monday.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Enjoy, guys.
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
How are you, pal?
Speaker 4 (00:46):
I'm doing well. How are you doing? Ah? Pretty good?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Just sitting here.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I'm just sitting here trying to get over the loss,
as per Paul Moyer's requests from from Monday.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And you know, I don't know. I think I'm doing okay.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
If I was a ten in the misery scale on
Tuesday I'm probably a seven for now. And then Dick Fae, well,
Dick Fane asked me in the break, hey do you
want to watch the World Series?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
And the misery went up to about an eight. So oh,
I'm gonna I.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
Can't even ask him if he wants to watch it.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
You know, I like this.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
How can can we all just fan the way we
want a fan, based on our values and let other
people fan how they want to fan?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Is that?
Speaker 6 (01:23):
Is that too difficult of a mandate to follow? No,
you have to get over it now, Paul, okay.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
All right?
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Well yeah, yeah, Well Paul's a good guy. But I
I think that I think that him trying to I
don't know, just yeah, just.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Fave it alone, leave it alone. Well how are you doing?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I mean, you've been a Mariner fan for a long time.
What'd you make of what you saw Monday night?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Man?
Speaker 6 (01:47):
Well, you know, here's what I get to and and
and obviously much of the most of the discussion has
been bizarre too versus Springer, right, but Bizardo. But here's
a thought. Every national pundit and local pundit for the
last several years have said, what if the Mariners just
get to the postseason that pitching staff, particularly the starters,
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they're gonna carry them right, and to that end, from
twenty twenty two to this two twenty and twenty five,
for over four year period, the Seattle Mariners have three
hundred and twelve quality starts. That is number one in baseball.
The Phillies are second to three h nine. That's forty
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eight point one percent of the start. So the last
four season have been quality starts, again best in baseball.
This year in the postseason, twelve postseason games, two quality starts,
sixteen point seven percent. You say, well, it's different, right, yeah,
they popular ear I understand the Dodgers this year are
eight of ten obviously eighty percent, okay. And so if
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if you look at how the the starters went in
you had you lose four games to the Blue Jays.
Obviously Kirby, Now Kirby game seven gave you a winnable effort,
but in Game three, Kirby had an ERA of eighteen.
Castillo in game four and a loss, had an ERA
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of eleven point six. Gilbert had a loss with an
ERA of nine. So the combination of your starters, the
guys we've heard for four years and they laid it
out there, they gave you the evidence. I just cited
it that that that was something to believe in. In
their losses, they had a ten point five ERA. Now
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you had Castillo. His R went up nine point oh
four percent from regular season to the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Gilberts went up forty one.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Percent, and George Kirby's his rose by forty three percent.
It's a little unfair because he gave you three out
of four of winnable starts. But there have been forty
five different pitchers this postseason in Major League Baseball to
start one or more games. One only one started four,
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and that's George Kirby, and you lost three out of
the four that he started. Blake Sneil's three for three,
three starts, three quality starts, Trek Scuble three starts, three
quality starts. O Tani two starts, two quality starts. So
I think, yes, we're talking about the seventh inning. Will continue,
unfortunately to talk about it and hear about it when
we don't want to hear about it. But I think
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just a little bit of that, Hey, you count on
the starting pitching to be there when you needed it.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I just cited the numbers.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
I don't know what that means, but I think that
that what we counted on being on being reliable, it
wasn't as reliable as we thought, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Here, Before we get into the really good nuts and
bolts of Hubreed Love Millan analysis on the Seahawks, engage
in the silly season with us for a second. I
have you been listening to our silly season Sam Donald
conversation all today?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
You have not a little bit.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
You have not heard our show.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
I thought he listened.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Thanks for the support.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Oh right, Well, I don't know how the compensation got
the four first round draft picks, Dave, I don't know
how it got that far, but we had a battle
and discussing the value of Sam Donald to this football team.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Just ask the question, no leading questions, don't don't, don't,
don't cheat here and give him your opinion.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Give him the question, would you trade Sam Donald away
for four first round draft picks?
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Right now? Jesus?
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Well, first of all, I think that they you can't.
You can't go for I think.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
We said we said that.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Yeah, just no player in history has ever gone.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Okay, we get it. Just dance with.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Us strictly coffee and beer talk I've lost all sense
of pragmatism. Correct, Yes, oh say coffee and beer talk. Wow,
I think that. I don't think the Kansas City Chiefs
would trade Pat Mahomes for a first rounder every single
year the rest of his career, right, So I do
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think that an elite quarterback there is a component. If
you're just like really trying to analyze it. I can't
imagine that Sam Darnold has risen his stock enough to
say that he's worth four number ones, because no player
has ever. But of course no, that's not been allowed. Yeah,
(06:40):
I don't know. I would I do it? Would I
actually do it? Like tomorrow, tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Somebody calls you the rule they changed, Roger Goodell says.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
We've changed the rules.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Yes, well you're yeah, for the rest of this year,
you're going to.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, I knew it was an automatic. Yeah, I'm surprised.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
Yeah, I mean I probably would, but I would get
the sentim I mean, then then then you're kind of
right back where you started. For like, Okay, are you
gonna be able to you should be able to package
to get a quarterback. I'd probably do it, Yeah, probably
do it, but.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It's not but it's not it's not an automatic yes,
Like you're not I'm understanding who's on which side.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
You're not.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
You're not getting a phone call from some drunk GM
and you're like, oh, yes, yes, before the guy could
even change his mind, you're considering that, right like you're
considering hanging on the sand.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I think John Snops would do it.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
And I think just basically principles that have been you know,
ascribed into the universe, you know, long before we got here.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Right like like.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
A quarterback who was a free agent on his fifth team,
you know, it is not worth four first round draft picks.
That's just like like a law that it you know,
yeah's written on a stone tablet somewhere on a mountain,
and you just follow that that command.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I probably would do it too, you know, as I
told Dick on the ear, Dick would do it. I
probably would do it, But I also would be a
little queasy. I don't know what we think Sam Darnold's going.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
To become Hughy.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
If he's going to become a guy who's going to
be here for six or seven years as a certain
commodity at quarterback, are you willing to take that and
turn it into an uncertain commodity and give up the
most important position in sports to do it.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
Yeah, no, I get it. And I'll tell you here's
the thought that I don't know how I stumbled on this,
but all the quarterbacks in history that have won seventy
five percent of their games or more, and now.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
This is minimum of sixty starts.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
Okay, So you've got autogram, you got Darryl Lamonica, and
you've got Pat Mahomes coming into the year.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I got to update it.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
Actually, I think he might have slipped below because he
was right at seventy five percent. Tom Brady was at
seventy four point nine percent. He missed that threshold by
zero point one percent. Okay, so that's the rarity coming
into the year. Sam Darnold was eighteen and six in
his last twenty four games. Now, I don't know when
you should get excited about seventy five percent.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
Is it three out of four? Is it nine out
of twelve? Like you tell me, I'll play by whatever
rules you want to go. You want to go, you know,
sixty out of eighty, you tell me the rules. But
seventy five percent is a hell of a freaking accomplishment.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
He came in.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
At at seventy five percent, and you know, we're kind
of almost hovering about that right now. So I don't know.
I think I think he may have found something. Remember now,
he was drafted as a twenty year old, he gave
up two years of eligibility at USC And then don't
even get me started on the offensive coordinators. I've done
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the deep dive that both you know, the offensive coordinators,
they they were out of football once they got done
with the Jets, at least out of the NFL. And
one of them is Jeremy Bates. I don't know he's
doing selling insurance. I don't I don't know. He's like
I looked it up, like these guys did not get
another job after o C and at the Jets. So
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then when you watch the tape at at how mangled
those offenses were. I have because I'm sick. I go
back and you know, when we acquire Sam Mortal and
uh and and uh so at an event, I think
it's an interesting turn this this I would say, however
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you feel about I think we should all be able
to get on this point. He's a hell of a
freaking good dude. Now that doesn't mean Diddley pooh when
it comes to wins and you know, but but I
think he's uniquely a good dude, uh knowing a lot,
you know, just being down there at SC talking to
a lot of the people there, and they talked about
him like he walked on water.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
And I'm like, I'm like, am I at USC or
Kansas State? Right right? Dick?
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Like like they like, I'm sittinger thinking, you know, you
guys have had a lot of superstars come through here.
Why are you talking about Sam Darnold like like he
levitates on the above the ground. But that's that's how
people feel about him. I think the leadership, the things
that are coming in. I wouldn't want to trade him
for for four first rounders because I because who would
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be our quarterback next Sunday?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
You know, I don't know. But then I would say,
what are you an idiot? Well, how do you not
trade him for four first rounder?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I don't know, you know, by the way, Jeremy Bates
is out of football and has been first seven years.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
And then the other guy, the other guy was like
he had some weird like dimwit's last name. I don't know,
he's in college. But but but the guy who followed him,
look that guy up. He never coached in the NFL
again either.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Well, so, the thing that you talked about Sam when
we got him was his ability to throw downfield. And
he's leading the NFL and completion percentage and yards and
passes twenty plus yards downfield. So are you seeing the
exact same Sam Donald that you saw in film last year?
Is he a better version? Is he a slightly worse version?
Where is he compareding compared to the fourteen and three
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Sam Donald we saw last year.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
I think he's really damn similar, and I think that
they were even more under center. I mean they're under
center pretty often now, but the play action numbers are
alive they were last year. You know, he was producing
big plays. He was number one in the NFL and
completion's over twenty yards and more twenty five yards and more.
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So he was a downfield guy. Right now, Sam Donald
is number one in the NFL in yards per attempt,
yards per completion percentage of his completions that go for
ten or more yards. By the way, that's fifty eight percent.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Number one.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
Number two I found interesting for obvious reasons is Michael
Pennix at fifty two point one. I mean a six
percent gap. That gap between one and two is great,
and the gap between two and seven. So I mean
everywhere you look, you say, whoa this ball is getting
down the field.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
The NFL, the stat portal.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
That I plug into, they have a thing called checkdown percentage.
He's thirtieth out of thirty two, which means he's checking
down the few you know, the third fewest of any quarterback.
And yet his off target percentage that the NFL also
tracks six point three percent off target ten point four
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is average. He's number two in the second best I
should say second lowest, which you want to be low obviously,
So he's doing what pushing the ball down the field?
Ad or near the best, really the best, and his
accuracy is the second best, and his checkdowns is is
third lowest.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Like like.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
You want to build a numbers based argument for this guy.
He's a starter in the Pro Bowl. Again, excuse me,
he's a at least a Pro Bowl. I have to
look who's NFC. Who would be in competition.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Jalen hurts uh for for what?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
The Pro Bowl? At quarterback?
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Oh no, it would be right now, would be.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
It would be big Baker, but but he he'd be,
you know, being the discussion for number two.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I haven't looked muh. You know.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
I think Dak Prescott's out than a hell of you.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
He's got it.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
He's got a better QBR than Baker Mayfield does. Right now,
Dak Prescott leads the NFL and QBR by the way,
eighty one point two.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
But yeah, three, Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yes, he's more in the conversation now than Geno Smith
was a couple of years ago when you and I
got into that little uh Donnybrook on the air, Remember
that conversation about Geno Smith and the MVP and all
that stuff. So he's way more in the conversation now
than Gino was. But hey, he do me a favorite
because I want to come back and I know Dick's
got more for you. I want to talk about Jackson
Jackson Smith than Jigba. I think there's a simple question
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that needs to be asked. Is this offensive approach with
Jackson Smith than jigbah get almost every target just collecting
numbers like he's Pacman. Is this sustainable for the Seahawk
offense or at some point are they going to have
to find a number two wide receiver, a consistent guy
at a running game. Next with humilin right here on
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Speaker 3 (15:30):
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that was scheduled to come down here.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
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Speaker 2 (15:52):
I can promise you that here he is.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Humilan rejoins us because I'm sick on the radio program.
Here I go to ask you about Jackson Smith and Jigba.
I know you love to play this game. I kind
of believe that I may have started this game and
you just kind of stole it for yourself.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
But that's fine, I'll give it to you.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Jackson Smith and Jigba leads the NFL and receiving yards
by one hundred and ninety yards over the next best
player in that category, and that's Jamar Chase. That is
the same gap between number two and number seventeen in
the NFL. That's how far Jackson Smith and Jigba is
in front of Jamar Chase. The crazy thing is that
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Jamar Chase has done that on ten more targets than
Jackson's got and eight more catches than Jackson Smith than
Jigba has. HI mean, he's a legit first team All
Pro if not if not guaranteed. Yeah, first team All
Pro wide receiver right now. But my question is this sustainable?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Right?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I Mean, at some point our defense is going to
figure it out and take this guy away. Can they
continue to roll offensively with Jackson Smith and Jigba on
pace for one hundred and seventy targets and this bigger
percentage of the offense.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Well, first of all, I was playing that game when
you were just itching your daddy's tidy whities.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
All right, So let's established because I'm sick, how about that? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (17:10):
So but yeah, JSN one hundred and seventeen yards per game,
pukah Nikua at one o three. Those are the only
two guys over over one hundred. Let let's look at
it like this. You have the you have seventy targets
for JSN, and you have the next closest guy on
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the Seahawks is Cooper Cup at thirty three. So we're
gonna say thirty three as a percentage of seventy is
forty seven point one. Dick, write that down, please, Okay,
So that's where the Seahawks are. Their second their second
highest targeted player is forty seven point one percent of
their highest got mekay. Let's take all of the division
leaders right now. There's eight of them. The average of
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them is seventy nine point four percent. Seven of eight
are above sixty percent. Half of them are above eighty
eight percent. If you look at the last three seasons
the Super Bowl winners, they average eighty one percent, and
again the Seahawks are. None of them are under fifty percent.
By the way, the Seahawks again forty seven point one percent.
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What about the third guy that's a J. Barner with
twenty two, he has thirty one percent of the top
guy for all teams these division leaders, the averages is
sixty three percent.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Got me?
Speaker 6 (18:30):
So the third most targeted receiver on all the division
leaders is sixty three percent of the highest guy on
that particular team and the Seahawks are less than half
of that at thirty one percent. So there's the numbers.
What does it suggest to me? I look and say, look,
there's not a lot of problems with the offense the playoff.
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If the playoff started this weekend, the Seahawks would be
the number six seed in the NFC. They in yards
per game, their tenth points per game, their fifth passing
yards per game, there's seventh. Now, first downs they're sixteenth,
third down conversion they're twenty seventh. So I look and
say things are pretty good in a bye week? Is
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that what teams do as they say, well, we're pretty good,
let's just leave well alone enough alone?
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Or do they look at ways they could try and
be better?
Speaker 6 (19:20):
In my opinion, And I went back today and I
watched the tape of all of jsn' seventy targets, of
which he caught fifty exactly. You know why you did that,
because I'm simp thank you, nice good pull. Have that
on the ready, put that on the on the speed doll.
So of the twenty incompletions, I if I was the
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quarterback for the Seawks quarterback coach rather for the Seahawks,
I would give eleven minuses on those twenty incompletions to
JSN where the ball should have gone elsewhere, including six
of the eleven to Cooper Cup.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
So you've got that. So there are.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Plays, and then there's another four where I just had
to put it in a category of either one I
wouldn't have been as a quarterback coach upset if he
had gone to somebody else. And you've got a Royo
and Horton in some of those. And then now there's
ten screen passes. He out of fifty catches, he's got
ten screens. I look and I say, if you're trying
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to get guys involved, why not throw the screen to Horton.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
He's a punt returner.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Yeah, you feel that about his his you know, open
field running ability.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Why not throw it to Cup? So I think that
I think that.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I don't want to over overcorrect the Seahawks offense. Sam
Donold doesn't have a problem, Clint Kubiak, It's all pretty
damn good. But what if JSN gets hurt for crying
out loud? Oh yeah? What if a team comes in
with the plan that that like like they are just
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absolutely rolling every time he's on the outside, they're rolling
to him. Every time that he's in the slot, they're
going to walk somebody out and jam the hell out
of him, like like like the Seahawks did in the
NFC Championship game against Steve Smith. I don't know why
that just came to my mind, right, who's fifty seven
for the Seahawks?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (21:13):
But fifty seven would just just mug him at the light?
Leroy Hill?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Was it? Is it Leo ray Hill? By then?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, Leroy Hill? Because Leroy and your starting lineback. I
feel like there's yeah, I know, but I feel like
it's it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
So the point.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Is is it is because I'm sick with somebody else
with that last name begins with them.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
But I don't know. I probably got the number about
Michael Bower no last.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Name B and M or Yeah, I know, come on,
come on, because I'm sick so edited that I digress.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
But but I don't know, what do you guys think?
You tell me?
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Like, like, is that if I've I've just cited the
stats for the division leaders, what the averages are, what
super Bowl? And the fact that that nobody is with
the in even half of the targets, as I said,
forty seven point one percent, nobody is within half?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Is that a problem? And I.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Don't know, I feel like it's shoot it, well, who's
the was it? Chris LaDue, the country singer, He had
this song he says, cowboys riding for a fall, And
and I think when you're in bye week, that's the
time for self scouting and a little bit of introspection, like, hey,
how can we get better? Where things are pretty damn good?
Can we even be better? And I think that they
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can be even better if they just tweak the balance
a little bit. And I'll just I'll close with this
thought on it. So, when I was at the Cowboys,
Michael Irvin had I don't remember this happen in any
other time in my career. Michael Irvin had carte blanche.
When when the Cowboys broke the huddle. He could go
wherever the hell he wanted to be the primary receiver,
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and Alvin Harper or whomever they had to just adjust
Michael was going. When I watched the tape of the Seahawks,
Honest to god, I feel like JSN has the leeway
to go wherever he wants to be their primary receiver.
Because it's startling to me when I watch through the progressions.
I know this stuff, I coach this stuff. I look
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at it and I go, He's the primary again. He's
the primary again, He's the primary again. Now, I do
want to say this, This has to be mentioned. There
are times when, particularly on a mirrored routes against Jacksonville,
they broke out the shake route, which is a post
corner and then on a flat angle return, so it's
a double shake essentially. Just to put it in lay terms,
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So if you're Sam Darnold, I got JSN doing a
shake on my far left, I've got Cooper Cup doing
a shake on my far right, and guess what, JSN
just ran it better and he got more open. So
I don't want to negate that part of it. And
if I'm the quarterback, I'm throwing it to JSN in
those situations, and if I'm the quarterback coach, yeah, I'm
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saying that's exactly where you should have thrown it. So
it's a it's a confluence of all these factors.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
But I think a little bit of a tweak.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
All right, Hey, here we got we got literally one minute,
lefty quickly one minute.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Is this running game fixable or thirtieth at three point
seven yards per attempt?
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Probably not? Probably not fixable. I mean in the way
that you want to see.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Fixable door to reasonable give me in the middle of
the league.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Nope, I'm not going there. I've seen too much of
this offensive line through the years. I don't think you're
gonna get materially better in the running game.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Sorry, Yeah, hope you're wrong, my friend, Hope you're wrong.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
All right, good stuff, Enjoy the weekend, Go dogs tomorrow
and we'll talk on Monday.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Enjoy, guys.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
All right, you're meling with us. How about that?
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Brian Schmitzer going to join us next on ninety three
to three kJ RFM.
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