June 13, 2025 • 17 mins
Hugh Millen joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about the quality of the NBA Finals broadcasts this year, which sport has the best athletes, Cooper Kupp’s learning process and the Seahawks scheme he’s in, plus Christian Haynes trying out at center.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Joining us right now with the radio program normally live
at five on Fridays, but a little.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
More at four today. Our friend Huey Millan, How are
you pal?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
What's happening guys?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
How are you not much getting ready for some NBA basketball?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I know you're a sonic fan rooting for the Pacers
like we are tonight to take the Commanding three to
one late and the Thunder.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
How are you enjoying the NBA Finals so far? Man?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Well, I would just say this, I watched my first
Super Bowl, super Bowl seven in nineteen seventy two. I
can remember Reggie Jackson in the World Series, watching him,
not the Yankees, the Oakland A's. So I've been I'm
just a red blooded American boy, you know, dude that
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likes most all sports. And and I would say I've
seen a lot of great, great broadcasting. Now, everything I'm
about to say is just one man's opinion. I invite dissent,
and I just have a standard for what I expect
from the broadcasters. I mean, Keith Jackson did an NBA
Finals Albert Brent Mussberger. Uh, you know when you when
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you put on a Super Bowl or a World Series,
there's just a standard, and I would say that what
I'm seeing from ESPN one man's opinion. I think Mike Breen,
you know, I think he's solid, you know, give him
a B. But the the Richard Jefferson and Dorris Burke, Yeah,
(01:24):
that that tandem of analysts might be And I just
do this for a discussion on your show, but I
ask the listeners, I think this is the worst championship
level broadcast I've ever I've ever seen. I mean, they've
got Mark Jackson in the building and Reggie Miller and
you know, Jeff Van Gundy like recently we've had We've
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had great analysts, and Richard Jefferson is just a fraction
of those guys.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Doris Burke is as.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Well in my opinion. And then and then you get
to halftime in the end of the game. I'll tell
you but in my lifetime, there have been two completely
unexplained absurd cultural phenomenon. Number one, nineteen seventy five pet
rock Dude on a bet marketing execu introduced this pet
(02:15):
rock in middle school. We had these gals that brought
them within a box with holes so that the rocks
could breathe, and that that whole phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
They sold.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
They they sold a million and a half units at
four dollars apiece, and four dollars then was the equivalent
of twenty four dollars now in today's dollars. They had
gross revenues of thirty six million dollars on a pet rock.
That's number one, Number two, totally unexplained, h absurd cultural
phenomenon in my lifetime is Steven A. Smith. I don't
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get it. I don't get the delivery. Look, I think
it's take it takes her are decent at times, but
here's the absurd part. ESPN, the institution of ESPN they
are going to put at halftime, the very first analyst
question is going to stephen A. Smith.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, Like like I'm watching.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
The hockey, the first question that at the end of
a period goes to Wayne Gretzky. When you watch TNT basketball,
the first question is going to Charles Barkley or Shaquille
O'Neill and and they're going to Steven A. Smith.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
You know what steven A.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Smith's basketball background is. He played one game for Winston
Salem State and he got hurt in that game, so
he didn't even play a full game and he never
played basketball again the rest of his life.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And ESPN.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I mean, we're not talking about like Yakamat, like some
D league. We're talking about the NBA Finals. So I
would just say this, I think the broadcast interesting people
that I that I am referencing. I'm racking my brain,
but I'm I'm here to claim just one man's opinion.
It's the worst championship level broadcast I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
All Right, good interesting. Didn't expect that, so that's good stuff. Yeah, Dick, Well,
since you brought up Steven A.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Smith, we were talking about a last last segment he
and PK Suba and got into it and who was
a better athlete basketball players or hockey players?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Do you have a with with brevity? Do you have
an answer to that question.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I don't do anything with brevity. Wells missus Milan might
contend that point, but I would just say, when you're
talking about athleticism, you have to prioritize what you value
the most, because I think there's five main attributes of
just about every sport. We watch their speed and quickness,
those are different, but we'll put him in the same
(04:35):
There's hand eye coordination. As you know, Edgar and and
and golfers and everything. There's a strength, there's an endurance
component because if you if you think that the winner
of the Tour de France is is the best athlete,
then you're basically it's all endurance and then body control
exemplified by skiers and gymnasts and and and soccer players
(04:57):
and what have you, and jumping. I never quite know
whether that needs its own category. So so for me,
I value speeding, quickness and hand eye coordination. So I
think basketball has I've always said, basketball to me is
the best representation of athleticism. But if you value and
I think strength, strength and endurance are secondary in basketball.
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They're they're a part of it, but it's mindly mainly
speed and and uh hand eye so uh but I
will I'll just close this. I'm watching that hockey and
and in some other world a thought experiment if somebody
said to me, if there there was no hockey and
and somebody said, okay, is this real or is this
ai what those hockey guys can do on skates and
(05:43):
and how they control those pucks and that and actually
shoot to a pocket while they're skating backwards, Like in
another world, I would if somebody said, Hey, is this
real or is this ai fiction? I would look at
that and I'd say that's fiction. There's no way that
anybody can do all of that while on skates, so
edit out. I expect them both. The quickness it.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Takes to play in the NBA may maybe more so
than any sport out there, but the hand eye coordination
it takes to survive in the NHL also maybe more
so than any other sport out there. You're exactly right, Hey,
Hugh Cooper Cupp the other day was just asked about
learning a new playbook, and it's kind of weird. You
spend eight years in LA with the same play caller
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and Sean McVay, and now all of a sudden, he's
what thirty.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
One, thirty two years old?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I think, yeah, whatever he is, he's got to learn
a whole new system and terminology and and all that stuff. So,
I mean, you put yourself into Cooper cups shoes. How
much of a challenge is this going to be for him?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
You think, Well, I was enough of a journeyman. I've
I've had to go through that experience. Obviously, I'm not
anywhere near the caliber of Cooper cup. But I get
what he's saying. And really you're talking about two categories.
Number one and the you know, the easiest is just like, oh, hey, hey,
I know that concept. We called that Honda down at
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the Rams and you guys call it spin. But I
know the concept. I've ran it many times. I just
have to I have to to just memorize. And it's
like learning the language. Okay, that you know right, Like
you say, okay, what is house in Spanish? Kasa? So
when you hear kasa, you just you do this translation,
you go, oh, that's house. Well, the same thing when
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you're learning a new language. So that's that's the easier
portion that. What would be a little bit more difficult
is if he's now introduced to concepts that he hasn't ran.
I don't think that that will be I'll bet you
ninety percent of what he's learning, or at least eighty percent.
I'll give myself all heads and be conservative. I think
eighty percent of what he's being exposed to he's done
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it before. Like he's not looking at that. Oh well,
show me that videotape of that. I don't know how
to do that. So yeah, I get that you a
lot about.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Mini camp is the question is it something?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Is it nothing?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
And I was thinking about that when I was reading
Greg Bell's piece today where the offense had a dozen
tries to score from the five yard line on seven
on seven scrimmages, and they scored once and the one
score was actually tightly covered and disputed by the defense
because they thought it was out of bound. So maybe
if it was reviewed or reviewable, it might have been
zero times out of twelve.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Is that something or is that nothing?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Well, you talk about seven on seven?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yes, is it something to be concerned about or is
it nothing to be concerned Well?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
No, I mean there is always the reciprocal right that
if you're you're concerned about the offense, then you're praising
just how you know, how a depth the communication is
on the defense, because when you're down there at the
five yard line, you know there's you're you're trying to
run picks and man to man, you know, everything's trying
to happen fast. And if you're gonna play zone, if
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you're gonna play man to man, you better you better
have an answer like at the three point line in basketball,
where hey, are we gonna switch? Are we gonna fight
over the top underneath, and then if you're gonna zone it,
then you you've got to be able to to respond
to just you know that that dart you know, quarterback
just oh you're in a zone, I'll just dart it.
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You know, throw it low at the front at the
goal line, you know, throw it at the knees of
the receiver at the goal line, and throw it high
at the back, and you know, just try and find
a hole in there. And so there's great communication. You
have to be tethered on a string much more so
I would tend to to just compliment the defense that
they are, you know, continuing. But yeah, I would say,
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I don't think anybody on the offense is gonna go
watch seven plays, seven snaps from outside the five with
no pass rush and be you know through it like
oh everything's hunky door. They're gonna say like, hey, okay,
we need to to uh to tighten things up. But
offense takes longer. Offense is a symphony. Defense is a
bee hive.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I would say that, I mean my gut, Hugh, curious
your thoughts on this that if we were getting reports,
Dick that the offense was shredding the defense at the
vMac Right now, I'd say either A the defense stinks
or B this offense is going to leave the league
in scoring. Yes, right because they I mean, Hugh, shouldn't
the offense be way behind?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
In particular point this defense.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
This defense has the same guys back with the same coaches.
The offense has a new quarterback, they have a new coordinator,
they have a new number two wide receiver, they have
a new scheme.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
They better damn well be behind the defense right now.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Well, and even if you try and isolate the variables,
let's say that it was an entirely new coaching staff,
and let's say they had equal number of new players
on each side of the ball. Let's say there was
four new starters on each side of the ball, new
head coach, new coordinators on both sides. Even if you
if you leveled out those variables and then say, okay,
who would you which side of the ball would you
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expect to be ahead? You would expect the defense to
be ahead the offense had there's more cohesion required, there
are more complimentary plays. You know, the defense they may
have three or four bread and butter coverages they want
to run down inside the five yard line. Well, the
offense may have you know, by the time they get
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to September, there may be fifteen or twenty plays that
they feel comfortable running from the five yard line.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Hey, hu, we got about five minutes.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I know Dick wants to get a come into But
Christian Haynes, who was the Seahawks third round pick a
year ago obviously had high hopes for him and didn't
play a ton, was spotted playing a little center during
mini camp.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Does that resonate with you at all or no?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well, it's probably one of two things. Number one. I
mean some may say, well, does that mean that Olua,
Timmy and all the other candidates aren't looking sufficient at center?
I don't necessarily read that into it. I think that
it may be that Christian Haynes, you've you've got to
(12:09):
have uh, you know, an emergency center, even though you
have to have a third guy sure at least capable
of snapping the ball, because if you have both your
two centers get hurt, who's gonna be the third guy?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Right?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
You can't just you know, just wave the white flag
and walk off the field say well we can't play anymore. So,
so the fact that he's getting snaps, I wouldn't read
a lot into it. I think it's just a versatility.
It may it may speak to that he's thought to
be a backup as an inside you know, one of
the inside guys. You you have your backups that can
play tackle, but then you have a versatile you know,
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can play any of the three inside positions. He's a
smart guy. He the number one scheme at Yukon was
the outside zone, and so I think that comparatively speaking,
relative to a year ago, Anthony Bradford had our he
had a year, and Christian Haines had none. Now Christian
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Hayes has a year. Of course he didn't have as
many reps as Bradford had the year before, but he's
got a year and he's playing a scheme that fits
him better. So I think that that, uh, you know,
we're gonna this isn't gonna be the last time we
talk about Christian Haines because there may be a spot
form well.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
And the reports, I mean it's basically fifty to fifty
Olu and Sundell at center, fifty to fifty Haynes and
Bradford at right guard is for as far as what
they did in camp. Is that a good thing or
a bad thing that you still still have a little
legitimate fifty to fifty split. Should you see somebody taking
over at this point or is that not really start
until training camp?
Speaker 3 (13:42):
In an ideal world, you would know who your five
offensive linemen. I mean, there are teams in the in
the NFL that are bringing back five starters or or
maybe they're right back four starters, and they know exactly
who the replacement is.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
But but my question is if you do have a doubt
like we do with those two positions, would that doubt
start getting ironed out normally in mini camp or not
until training camp?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
No, I don't think till training camp. Yeah, it's the
same as with the quarterbacks. If you have two, it's
said that you have none. Well, I don't want to
say we have no offensive guards, but in the absence
until we see one of those guys perform at a
high level, right guard is a big problem on this
football team. And yeah, and so in this category, yeah,
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they're not gonna nobody's gonna win the job here now, Dick,
you know, uh, when they're not even in pads. But
we go into camp and if you're talking about concerns
for the football team, right guard is probably at the
top of the list, and certainly no lower than third.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Well, they don't have any established interior alignment period. I mean,
you know, look, every team's gonna have a rookie at
some point. Our guys graz Abel feel pretty good about him,
I think, right, but there's nobody established there. There's no
established left guard, right guard, or center. So we'll see
what happens come September. But here we got about ninety seconds.
I just want to give you the floor for anything
else from Mini camp that kind of stood out as
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far as impressions for you that you think you're important
for people to know, Well, I would.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Just say that there. I mean, god, I got a
whole page of notes. How do I get this? The
wide receiver situation you've got now, uh, I'm not going
to get into the numbers, but Coop, we're we're going
to be seeing more two tight ends, you know, full
back and what have you. So the wide rate last
year Cooper Cup was a wide receiver, meaning the widest
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guy going against a corner almost assuredly thirty four point
seven percent out of out of all receivers qualifying. There's
one hundred and thirty one qualifiers that had twenty more targets.
Cooper Cup was one hundred and sixteenth out of one
hundred and thirty one. JSN was outside just fifteen point
six percent time. That was one hundred and thirtieth out
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of one hundred and thirty one qualifying receiver. So here
here we're talking about on the one hand, while we
got a fullback from Alabama oots and we're doing what
we're gonna We're gonna have more just two receiver sets,
but we've got receivers that were only outside. DK Metcalf
was fifth out of one hundred and thirty one. He
was eighty six point four percent was an outside. You
get Marcus Valdez Scanley and he was an outside. He
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was twenty second out of one hundred and thirty one.
He was at seventy eight percent and change. But Marcus
Scanley got cut in the middle of the year, and
he had for the Buffalo Bills, who had this MVP.
In six games, he had two catches zero in the
last three.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
He got cut.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
He was on the street for a week and then
he signs for minimum with the Saints. And so I
like the idea. Yeah, MVS is a wide receiver, but
how accomplished is he? And so I just think the
idea of you know, the best the receivers they have
that they're counting on. They're better in the slot, they
have the experience in the slot, not so much on
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the outside. That's that's a big theme for me that
I'm watching moving forward.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Hey, Hewet, great stuff. Enjoy the weekend, and we'll talk
on Monday.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
All right, buddy, rock and roll guys, sammerdown.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Humilling with us. We're gonna break.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
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had a couple of cups of coffee right up in
the big leagues and the last couple of years he's
down here with the Rainiers. Chuck Powell's got the call
with Riley pay on the Am nine to fifty AM
at seven o'clock.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
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Speaker 1 (17:19):
We'll get to our bracket as well, the most unforgettable
sports moments of the last twenty five years, and yes,
Kobe Bryant dying on a helicopter crash is on the list.
We're gonna discuss all that at five live from Cheney
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Joining us right now with the radio program normally live
at five on Fridays, but a little.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
More at four today. Our friend Huey Millan, How are
you pal?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
What's happening guys?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
How are you not much getting ready for some NBA basketball?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I know you're a sonic fan rooting for the Pacers
like we are tonight to take the Commanding three to
one late and the Thunder.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
How are you enjoying the NBA Finals so far? Man?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Well, I would just say this, I watched my first
Super Bowl, super Bowl seven in nineteen seventy two. I
can remember Reggie Jackson in the World Series, watching him,
not the Yankees, the Oakland A's. So I've been I'm
just a red blooded American boy, you know, dude that
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likes most all sports. And and I would say I've
seen a lot of great, great broadcasting. Now, everything I'm
about to say is just one man's opinion. I invite dissent,
and I just have a standard for what I expect
from the broadcasters. I mean, Keith Jackson did an NBA
Finals Albert Brent Mussberger. Uh, you know when you when
(01:04):
you put on a Super Bowl or a World Series,
there's just a standard, and I would say that what
I'm seeing from ESPN one man's opinion. I think Mike Breen,
you know, I think he's solid, you know, give him
a B. But the the Richard Jefferson and Dorris Burke, Yeah,
(01:24):
that that tandem of analysts might be And I just
do this for a discussion on your show, but I
ask the listeners, I think this is the worst championship
level broadcast I've ever I've ever seen. I mean, they've
got Mark Jackson in the building and Reggie Miller and
you know, Jeff Van Gundy like recently we've had We've
(01:46):
had great analysts, and Richard Jefferson is just a fraction
of those guys.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Doris Burke is as.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Well in my opinion. And then and then you get
to halftime in the end of the game. I'll tell
you but in my lifetime, there have been two completely
unexplained absurd cultural phenomenon. Number one, nineteen seventy five pet
rock Dude on a bet marketing execu introduced this pet
(02:15):
rock in middle school. We had these gals that brought
them within a box with holes so that the rocks
could breathe, and that that whole phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
They sold.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
They they sold a million and a half units at
four dollars apiece, and four dollars then was the equivalent
of twenty four dollars now in today's dollars. They had
gross revenues of thirty six million dollars on a pet rock.
That's number one, Number two, totally unexplained, h absurd cultural
phenomenon in my lifetime is Steven A. Smith. I don't
(02:51):
get it. I don't get the delivery. Look, I think
it's take it takes her are decent at times, but
here's the absurd part. ESPN, the institution of ESPN they
are going to put at halftime, the very first analyst
question is going to stephen A. Smith.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, Like like I'm watching.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
The hockey, the first question that at the end of
a period goes to Wayne Gretzky. When you watch TNT basketball,
the first question is going to Charles Barkley or Shaquille
O'Neill and and they're going to Steven A. Smith.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
You know what steven A.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Smith's basketball background is. He played one game for Winston
Salem State and he got hurt in that game, so
he didn't even play a full game and he never
played basketball again the rest of his life.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And ESPN.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I mean, we're not talking about like Yakamat, like some
D league. We're talking about the NBA Finals. So I
would just say this, I think the broadcast interesting people
that I that I am referencing. I'm racking my brain,
but I'm I'm here to claim just one man's opinion.
It's the worst championship level broadcast I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
All Right, good interesting. Didn't expect that, so that's good stuff. Yeah, Dick, Well,
since you brought up Steven A.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Smith, we were talking about a last last segment he
and PK Suba and got into it and who was
a better athlete basketball players or hockey players?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Do you have a with with brevity? Do you have
an answer to that question.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I don't do anything with brevity. Wells missus Milan might
contend that point, but I would just say, when you're
talking about athleticism, you have to prioritize what you value
the most, because I think there's five main attributes of
just about every sport. We watch their speed and quickness,
those are different, but we'll put him in the same
(04:35):
There's hand eye coordination. As you know, Edgar and and
and golfers and everything. There's a strength, there's an endurance
component because if you if you think that the winner
of the Tour de France is is the best athlete,
then you're basically it's all endurance and then body control
exemplified by skiers and gymnasts and and and soccer players
(04:57):
and what have you, and jumping. I never quite know
whether that needs its own category. So so for me,
I value speeding, quickness and hand eye coordination. So I
think basketball has I've always said, basketball to me is
the best representation of athleticism. But if you value and
I think strength, strength and endurance are secondary in basketball.
(05:21):
They're they're a part of it, but it's mindly mainly
speed and and uh hand eye so uh but I
will I'll just close this. I'm watching that hockey and
and in some other world a thought experiment if somebody
said to me, if there there was no hockey and
and somebody said, okay, is this real or is this
ai what those hockey guys can do on skates and
(05:43):
and how they control those pucks and that and actually
shoot to a pocket while they're skating backwards, Like in
another world, I would if somebody said, Hey, is this
real or is this ai fiction? I would look at
that and I'd say that's fiction. There's no way that
anybody can do all of that while on skates, so
edit out. I expect them both. The quickness it.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Takes to play in the NBA may maybe more so
than any sport out there, but the hand eye coordination
it takes to survive in the NHL also maybe more
so than any other sport out there. You're exactly right, Hey,
Hugh Cooper Cupp the other day was just asked about
learning a new playbook, and it's kind of weird. You
spend eight years in LA with the same play caller
(06:27):
and Sean McVay, and now all of a sudden, he's
what thirty.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
One, thirty two years old?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I think, yeah, whatever he is, he's got to learn
a whole new system and terminology and and all that stuff. So,
I mean, you put yourself into Cooper cups shoes. How
much of a challenge is this going to be for him?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
You think, Well, I was enough of a journeyman. I've
I've had to go through that experience. Obviously, I'm not
anywhere near the caliber of Cooper cup. But I get
what he's saying. And really you're talking about two categories.
Number one and the you know, the easiest is just like, oh, hey, hey,
I know that concept. We called that Honda down at
(07:04):
the Rams and you guys call it spin. But I
know the concept. I've ran it many times. I just
have to I have to to just memorize. And it's
like learning the language. Okay, that you know right, Like
you say, okay, what is house in Spanish? Kasa? So
when you hear kasa, you just you do this translation,
you go, oh, that's house. Well, the same thing when
(07:27):
you're learning a new language. So that's that's the easier
portion that. What would be a little bit more difficult
is if he's now introduced to concepts that he hasn't ran.
I don't think that that will be I'll bet you
ninety percent of what he's learning, or at least eighty percent.
I'll give myself all heads and be conservative. I think
eighty percent of what he's being exposed to he's done
(07:48):
it before. Like he's not looking at that. Oh well,
show me that videotape of that. I don't know how
to do that. So yeah, I get that you a
lot about.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Mini camp is the question is it something?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Is it nothing?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
And I was thinking about that when I was reading
Greg Bell's piece today where the offense had a dozen
tries to score from the five yard line on seven
on seven scrimmages, and they scored once and the one
score was actually tightly covered and disputed by the defense
because they thought it was out of bound. So maybe
if it was reviewed or reviewable, it might have been
zero times out of twelve.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Is that something or is that nothing?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Well, you talk about seven on seven?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yes, is it something to be concerned about or is
it nothing to be concerned Well?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
No, I mean there is always the reciprocal right that
if you're you're concerned about the offense, then you're praising
just how you know, how a depth the communication is
on the defense, because when you're down there at the
five yard line, you know there's you're you're trying to
run picks and man to man, you know, everything's trying
to happen fast. And if you're gonna play zone, if
(08:53):
you're gonna play man to man, you better you better
have an answer like at the three point line in basketball,
where hey, are we gonna switch? Are we gonna fight
over the top underneath, and then if you're gonna zone it,
then you you've got to be able to to respond
to just you know that that dart you know, quarterback
just oh you're in a zone, I'll just dart it.
(09:13):
You know, throw it low at the front at the
goal line, you know, throw it at the knees of
the receiver at the goal line, and throw it high
at the back, and you know, just try and find
a hole in there. And so there's great communication. You
have to be tethered on a string much more so
I would tend to to just compliment the defense that
they are, you know, continuing. But yeah, I would say,
(09:38):
I don't think anybody on the offense is gonna go
watch seven plays, seven snaps from outside the five with
no pass rush and be you know through it like
oh everything's hunky door. They're gonna say like, hey, okay,
we need to to uh to tighten things up. But
offense takes longer. Offense is a symphony. Defense is a
bee hive.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I would say that, I mean my gut, Hugh, curious
your thoughts on this that if we were getting reports,
Dick that the offense was shredding the defense at the
vMac Right now, I'd say either A the defense stinks
or B this offense is going to leave the league
in scoring. Yes, right because they I mean, Hugh, shouldn't
the offense be way behind?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
In particular point this defense.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
This defense has the same guys back with the same coaches.
The offense has a new quarterback, they have a new coordinator,
they have a new number two wide receiver, they have
a new scheme.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
They better damn well be behind the defense right now.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Well, and even if you try and isolate the variables,
let's say that it was an entirely new coaching staff,
and let's say they had equal number of new players
on each side of the ball. Let's say there was
four new starters on each side of the ball, new
head coach, new coordinators on both sides. Even if you
if you leveled out those variables and then say, okay,
who would you which side of the ball would you
(10:57):
expect to be ahead? You would expect the defense to
be ahead the offense had there's more cohesion required, there
are more complimentary plays. You know, the defense they may
have three or four bread and butter coverages they want
to run down inside the five yard line. Well, the
offense may have you know, by the time they get
(11:20):
to September, there may be fifteen or twenty plays that
they feel comfortable running from the five yard line.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Hey, hu, we got about five minutes.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I know Dick wants to get a come into But
Christian Haynes, who was the Seahawks third round pick a
year ago obviously had high hopes for him and didn't
play a ton, was spotted playing a little center during
mini camp.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Does that resonate with you at all or no?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well, it's probably one of two things. Number one. I
mean some may say, well, does that mean that Olua,
Timmy and all the other candidates aren't looking sufficient at center?
I don't necessarily read that into it. I think that
it may be that Christian Haynes, you've you've got to
(12:09):
have uh, you know, an emergency center, even though you
have to have a third guy sure at least capable
of snapping the ball, because if you have both your
two centers get hurt, who's gonna be the third guy?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Right?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
You can't just you know, just wave the white flag
and walk off the field say well we can't play anymore. So,
so the fact that he's getting snaps, I wouldn't read
a lot into it. I think it's just a versatility.
It may it may speak to that he's thought to
be a backup as an inside you know, one of
the inside guys. You you have your backups that can
play tackle, but then you have a versatile you know,
(12:43):
can play any of the three inside positions. He's a
smart guy. He the number one scheme at Yukon was
the outside zone, and so I think that comparatively speaking,
relative to a year ago, Anthony Bradford had our he
had a year, and Christian Haines had none. Now Christian
(13:03):
Hayes has a year. Of course he didn't have as
many reps as Bradford had the year before, but he's
got a year and he's playing a scheme that fits
him better. So I think that that, uh, you know,
we're gonna this isn't gonna be the last time we
talk about Christian Haines because there may be a spot
form well.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
And the reports, I mean it's basically fifty to fifty
Olu and Sundell at center, fifty to fifty Haynes and
Bradford at right guard is for as far as what
they did in camp. Is that a good thing or
a bad thing that you still still have a little
legitimate fifty to fifty split. Should you see somebody taking
over at this point or is that not really start
until training camp?
Speaker 3 (13:42):
In an ideal world, you would know who your five
offensive linemen. I mean, there are teams in the in
the NFL that are bringing back five starters or or
maybe they're right back four starters, and they know exactly
who the replacement is.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
But but my question is if you do have a doubt
like we do with those two positions, would that doubt
start getting ironed out normally in mini camp or not
until training camp?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
No, I don't think till training camp. Yeah, it's the
same as with the quarterbacks. If you have two, it's
said that you have none. Well, I don't want to
say we have no offensive guards, but in the absence
until we see one of those guys perform at a
high level, right guard is a big problem on this
football team. And yeah, and so in this category, yeah,
(14:28):
they're not gonna nobody's gonna win the job here now, Dick,
you know, uh, when they're not even in pads. But
we go into camp and if you're talking about concerns
for the football team, right guard is probably at the
top of the list, and certainly no lower than third.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Well, they don't have any established interior alignment period. I mean,
you know, look, every team's gonna have a rookie at
some point. Our guys graz Abel feel pretty good about him,
I think, right, but there's nobody established there. There's no
established left guard, right guard, or center. So we'll see
what happens come September. But here we got about ninety seconds.
I just want to give you the floor for anything
else from Mini camp that kind of stood out as
(15:07):
far as impressions for you that you think you're important
for people to know, Well, I would.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Just say that there. I mean, god, I got a
whole page of notes. How do I get this? The
wide receiver situation you've got now, uh, I'm not going
to get into the numbers, but Coop, we're we're going
to be seeing more two tight ends, you know, full
back and what have you. So the wide rate last
year Cooper Cup was a wide receiver, meaning the widest
(15:31):
guy going against a corner almost assuredly thirty four point
seven percent out of out of all receivers qualifying. There's
one hundred and thirty one qualifiers that had twenty more targets.
Cooper Cup was one hundred and sixteenth out of one
hundred and thirty one. JSN was outside just fifteen point
six percent time. That was one hundred and thirtieth out
(15:51):
of one hundred and thirty one qualifying receiver. So here
here we're talking about on the one hand, while we
got a fullback from Alabama oots and we're doing what
we're gonna We're gonna have more just two receiver sets,
but we've got receivers that were only outside. DK Metcalf
was fifth out of one hundred and thirty one. He
was eighty six point four percent was an outside. You
get Marcus Valdez Scanley and he was an outside. He
(16:14):
was twenty second out of one hundred and thirty one.
He was at seventy eight percent and change. But Marcus
Scanley got cut in the middle of the year, and
he had for the Buffalo Bills, who had this MVP.
In six games, he had two catches zero in the
last three.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
He got cut.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
He was on the street for a week and then
he signs for minimum with the Saints. And so I
like the idea. Yeah, MVS is a wide receiver, but
how accomplished is he? And so I just think the
idea of you know, the best the receivers they have
that they're counting on. They're better in the slot, they
have the experience in the slot, not so much on
(16:50):
the outside. That's that's a big theme for me that
I'm watching moving forward.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Hey, Hewet, great stuff. Enjoy the weekend, and we'll talk
on Monday.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
All right, buddy, rock and roll guys, sammerdown.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Humilling with us. We're gonna break.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Rainiers are on the field right now taking BPS and
Mod Taylor is gonna hop buy and say hello. He's
had a couple of cups of coffee right up in
the big leagues and the last couple of years he's
down here with the Rainiers. Chuck Powell's got the call
with Riley pay on the Am nine to fifty AM
at seven o'clock.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
So check it out.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
We'll get to our bracket as well, the most unforgettable
sports moments of the last twenty five years, and yes,
Kobe Bryant dying on a helicopter crash is on the list.
We're gonna discuss all that at five live from Cheney
in Tacoma, right here on ninety three three KJRFM
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