March 24, 2025 • 18 mins
Hugh Millen joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about quarterbacks that might be selected in the middle rounds of the NFL Draft, including Tyler Shough, how Seattle sits at wide receiver now after DK Metcalf’s trade, plus the DeMarcus Lawrence signing.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, joining us right now on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
A little more at four or their friend of Huey Miller. Hue,
how are you powers? What's happening to guys? I'm well,
thank you, not much, not much, lots to talk about.
Let's first of all, start off for the guy that
I think you know very well because of his days
at Oregon.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Every year there's always a.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Guy that just fires up the draft board, and then
somebody after him who fires up behind him. First it
was Jackson Dart, and now it's Tyler Shuck, the former
Oregon quarterback who was playing for Texas Tech but sat
out the bowl game against you, dub. What do you
know about Tyler? Excuse me, Louisville, thank you? What do
you know about Tyler Shuck? And is this a guy
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that Seahawk fans and John Schneider, by the way, should
keep their eye on.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
And I think I think we're talking about him because
reportedly he was one of the Seahawks' top thirty visits, right, correct,
Not because he used to play at Oregon with my son.
My son was a year behind Tyler and down there
they have it wouldn't be accurate to call it a roommate.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
It was a sweet mate.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
You know, they share a living room and a kid,
and then four guys get their own you know, bedroom
and bathroom and inerrate. I got to meet Tyler years ago,
I think twenty nineteen. But I'm just gonna tell you
straight up, I don't I don't have any I'm not
predisposed to favor him. I'm not predisposed to have an
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aversion to him. I'm I'm really I'm just telling you
I have I have real neutrality regarding him. And but
I've watched his career. He started the year after Justin
Herbert started for the Ducks, and then he moved on
to Texas Tech. Really got beat out by a guy
named Anthony Brown. I transfer from from Boston College and
then Texas Tech, had a lot of injuries, finds his
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way up to Louisville. All right, So the tape that
I've studied and whatnot, he really excelled at the Combine
beautiful drop. He's six four and seven eights, big guy,
two hundred nineteen pounds, ran a four to six four.
So his physical traits are you know, you know, a
plus physical traits in terms of his size, his mobility,
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and his arm talent. Now last year, you know, I
just studied the Notre Dame tape tape and I'm studying
the Miami tape against Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I mean, the guy had three touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
He was about torn sixty four yards passing muddy pocket,
a lot of pressure on him. He had an interception
that is the most unjust interception you'll ever see. Throws
it right into the Adams apple a of a receiver,
a Louisville receiver who bobbles it, pops it all over
and the free safety comes from ten yards and catches
it off the babble. So at any rate, I see
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a guy that moves really well, and I would not
be surprised. I got another month before the draft, but
I wouldn't be surprised for me if I was projecting
him as the number two quarterback in the draft. Wow,
above Sedor, and now I still got to see a
lot more Wow. But you know, Jackson Dart, you know,
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right now, cam Ward, I think he's ensconced as the
number one. I think there's a lot of questions about
Shaduur Sanders, and not so much the probability of a bust,
but what happens if he is a bust. A lot
of entitlement involved with him. So I could see Shudur
Sanders a lot of people being thanks, but no thanks
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on Shaduur Sanders. He could fall. Jackson Dart is presumed
to be the third guy, Jackson Dart. You know the comparison.
I kind of kind of looked at some numbers. I've
looked at Dart on tape as well. Dart has a
better team around him and all miss and you know,
Dart was number one in passer rating one hundred and
eighty one. That's a college passer rating, by the way,
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which is first and also number one in all college football.
I'm talking about Dart now yards per attempt, but in
a lot of pretty important categories. Shuck is a top
twenty twenty five. And I'm not gonna listen to all
the stats, but but I like his movement. Like I said,
his trades. I mean, he had a touchdown against Notre
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Dame where he gets flushed to the left and he
with a guy in his face, turns around and he
throws this dot in the back of the end zone
side arm. This was anything you'd ever see from Pat Mahomes.
It looked like he was skipping rocks at a river
and he just smoked this ball to the back of
the end zone, perfect spo right on the spot. Kid
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catches it for a touch and I'm like, WHOA. I
had to wind that back to see it against and
he's done some other thing and a lot of his
stats to the extent that he's not where Dart is.
A lot of times he's just running for his life
and throwing balls out of bounds. And again, Louisville just
didn't have the team around him, and we saw that
in the bowl game against the Husky. So that's just
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stage one. I'll give you more on Tyler Suck over
the next month. But you asked me to take a
peek at him. That's my first thought about him.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Is that kind of where the list ends as far
as potential second and third round quarterbacks that the Seahawks
could take. Where you're talking about a potential starter in
the future versus just drafting up you know, Alex Magoog
down down the list. Do you are there anybody else
that you've seen that you're liking. This guy could go
Friday and could be a future starter.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Well, there's there's a guy I have in mind.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
I'm gonna answer your question, Dick, but before I'm gonna
preface it just so that we know what we're talking about.
Because the Seahawks, I think, if you're an average Seahawks fan,
this is a reasonable take. Okay, you've got Sam Darnold.
Does that preclude you from going out and getting somebody else?
I don't think so. But just but but here's some
numbers since twenty ten. I just I picked that as
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a as a year because I was the first year
John Schneider was the GM for the Seahawks. All Right,
Since twenty ten, there's been forty nine quarterbacks going the
first round. Twenty one of them have made a Pro Bowl.
And you understand, you know the whole Pro Bowl thing,
how wonky that is, right, So that's forty three percent
in the second round. It goes from forty nineine quarterbacks
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in the first round to thirteen in the second round,
thirty one of them, as sheeve me, thirty one percent
of them. Four out of thirteen thirty one percent made
a Pro Bowl. That's Andy Dalton, Geno Smith, Derek Carr,
and Jalen Hurts. Then you got nineteen, it goes from
thirteen quarterbacks in the second round, it goes nineteen in
the third round, and of the nineteen again, this is
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since twenty ten, only two Pro Bowlers Russell Wilson and
Nick Foles. That's ten point five percent. And then one
more round, fourth round. So the numbers are actually getting bigger.
Now we got twenty three quarterbacks in the fourth round.
One Pro Bowl. That's four percent. One Pro Bowl. That's
Kirk Cousins. So what does that tell you if the
Seahawks are gonna get somebody. I just look like the
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names of these guys, you know, I recognize we would
all recognize almost every name, and you just go, wow,
that's a lot of dudes they got draft from the
NFL and the top you know, rounds two through four.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Hyanni Eveam can play anyone you like, though, Well.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I would say Brady Cook is going to be a guy.
Uh just I need to uh go into the microscope.
I think that he from Missouri. I think he's got
the traits.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
You know. I look at it guys like like I
kind of look at it one of two ways.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
If a guy's not going to be a projected top
half of the first round or even first round, or
I look and I say, is it because he doesn't
have the physical traits and and like let's say a
brock Purty type like big production. But you look and
you say, I don't know how how that translates in
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
You know, small guy, Uh, lollipop arm, you know, is it?
You know?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Is it that type? You know, productive guy? But we
don't think his physical traits translate to the NFL? Or
is it the other is the the opposite of that
where he like a Nick Foles where you say, okay.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Big dude, strong arm.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Uh, you know, some questionable decision making at the college. Uh,
you know, he's got the physical traits if he if
he under stands how to play the game, and he
and he can play with anticipation, red defenses, make good
decisions through it to the right guy at the right time, YadA, YadA.
And and then is it that category of a guy
that maybe he'll kind of learn the game because he
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has a physical trade. So this Brady Cook kid out
of Missouri is in that ladder category. I think a
big guy, dude moves moves well, strong arm, natural pass
with the football. I'm gonna climb under the hood and
see if he can process. But I think you know
it's something we'll be talking about right up in two
and including on draft day with the Seahawks. Are they
going to try and draft a quarterback to challenge Well.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I mean, we'll keep an eye on it. When Brady
Cook wins multiple m vps, we can say you were
the first one to bring it up on the air.
The draft, by the way, is in a month. It's
four weeks from Thursday. Is the freaking first round. Man,
So we're getting close. But hre Mellin's with us a
little more, and for with Hugh and here, I remember
the day.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
That DK metcalf left for Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
You got a concern about what that would mean for
DK for a Jackson Smith and Jigba. You talked about
the screen game and how he had DK block and form,
and that's now no longer a possibility for JSN. With
the arrivals of Cooper, Cup and I guess, if you
want to say, Marquez Valdez Scalding as well, how much
of those concerns have been maybe relieved a little bit
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after DK got traded.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
I still have concerns because Cup does his damage in
the slot. You know, if you put him outside against
a corner, lined up what defense is called the number
one guy, and that's just the first guy from the sideline.
It doesn't mean you're the jersey number one or whether
or not you're the presumed best receiver. It's just you're
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lined up close to the sideline, so you're one, and
then the next closest guys to it. So if you
when he lines up as the number one receiver against
a corner, he just doesn't have the speed I'm talking
about Cooper Cup. He doesn't have the speed to really
threaten a dB. So the dB can kind of be
you know, in fifth gear, not sixth gear, as he's
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covering him and then and then that makes that dB
a lot more quick to respond and to shadow and
he moves on the perimeter. So I think that it's
been proven that Cooper Cup is a better slot receiver,
and so that concerns me because I think that's where
the comparative advantage was for Jackson Smith and Jig. But
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in fact, of the thirty five receivers who were targeted
one hundred and more times last year, JSN had the
highest percentage in the slot. Metcalf, by the way, the
lowest percentage in that, so there's some concern there as
for you know, quickly met mvs.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
You know, you look.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
At at what has transpired in the last year, year
or two. So two years ago on that Chief team
that won the Super Bowl, he actually caught a touchdown
in the Super Bowl. He was due to make fourteen million.
It was a fourteen million.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Dollar cap hit.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
So he gets caught. So going into last season, the
twenty twenty four season, he signs.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
With the Bill. He goes from fourteen million to two
and a quarter, which is okay.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
And he goes three weeks with Josh Allen not catching
a ball, and they cut him mid October.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
They just cut him the Bills.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
So he's on the street for a week, and then
the Saints pick him up for minimum salary one point
one two five million league minimum. And now he does
some good things and had a good game or two.
So now he's he's you know, they didn't have chrysal
lavae and and uh and other was it Rashid Shaheed?
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You know, so that two receivers have season ending injuries.
So now he hits the free agent market and he
and he signed with Seattle for five point five million.
It was originally reported as nothing guaranteed, at which time
I said, I think it might have been with Chuck
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I said. Look, I'm not I don't.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Have the the the uh, the courage to predict it.
But don't be surprised if MVS does not make the
team right at the end of training camp, or at
least that they bring him in and say, dude, we're
not gonna pay you five point five where you know
you're at the end of training camp. We're gonna slash
you down to two and a half, you know, like
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cut him and then re sign him type of thing. Now,
since I've said that, it turns out he's got a
one point five million dollars signing bonus. But that's still
not a lot of commitment. I think that they're likely
to draft a guy in the top five picks. Don't
be surprised if Cody White at six foot three and
three eights, you know, if they give a long look
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at him, and whoever they draft.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I just I'm not convinced.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Look, if I had to say bet one way or another,
I would say the probability probably leans towards he makes
the team. I'm talking about MVS, but I would not
be at all surprised if he doesn't even make the
team again. The Bills with Josh Allen. Uh, you know,
the middle of the season, they had they had left
Stefan Uh. Stefan Uh with gibb had been Diggs. Yes,
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Stefan Diggs had been moved on. So they had a
need and MVS couldn't fill that need. So they go
out and acquire Amari Cooper mid season. That's how much
MVS wasn't doing.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
The job, right, Yeah, uh, you.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Know, paired with an MVP and Josh Allen so yes,
so without Stefan Diggs they needed a guy and he
couldn't fill the role. So I just think to expect
a lot of MVS. Go ahead and knock yourself out.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I I'm not.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well, how about on the flip side, they're big defensive
addition and DeMarcus Lawrence. What does the film tell you
on him? On how much he's got left? He only
played four games last year, but he was good in
those four games, at least statistically.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah. I thought he was his best in the first
half of the first game. Uh.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
You know, he plays the run. Well, he's got a
great frame. He watched the end zone copy and you
just you just look at him and and he fills
out a uniform exactly the way you want. You know,
their their stabbudies. There's some quickness in there now, uh.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
There. The problem with watching the tape of.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
The Cowboys is is on the other side, number eleven
Michael Parsons. You know, you just go, whoa, Okay, that's
a dude, and and you know, and ninety just can't
move like him.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
But that's okay.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I mean, Michael Parsons is one of the you know,
top handful of defensive players in the NFL, uh in
many people's estimation. But he had three sacks he fell
into him. Two of them were at the line of
scrimmage where the quarterback was kind of forcing flushed to
uh to scramble forward. He had another one where he
where he was eleven yards deep, where where the right
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tackle had pushed him way up the field. The right
tackle did his job, pushed Lawrence way up the field,
but it was just somebody else pressure of the quarterback
right into him. So when you hear, oh, well you
had three sacks and four games to me, my my
way of value value. I want to say, hey, did
you beat your man, whether it's a guard attack, did
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you beat your man relatively early in the down, and
did you get the quarterback on the ground under two
and a half seconds? Like those are the kind of
sacks I go, WHOA, Okay, he's got something right. But
you know, scheme slash luck, slash teammates forcing you. You
know that I would put all three of those sacks
in that category. So I think it's uh. I think
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there's reason to have optimism if you like what he
has done. Obviously, the big concern is how far how
steep is the cliff that he's fallen off?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Right at age thirty three going on thirty four.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Hey, here, before you go, we got about a minute
left here. Seahawks have had I think three linemen coming
for a visit. Dylan Redunds I think was one of them.
He signed with the Titans today. Tevin Jenkins was not
offered a contract. He's signed elsewhere. And they really haven't
done anything right so far in free agency with the
offensive line and just kind of look like they're going
to just depend on the draft. I mean, are you
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are you cool with this? Approach that they're taking to
the offensive line.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Well, I'm disappointed. I think it's this the same old,
same old, the same.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
You know, here, John Snider was reported like four days
ago he says, you just can't throw money at marginal play.
Was the quote from Snyder. And that's on last year.
He said, I think that offensive guard is overvalued and overdrafted.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Right.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Well, meanwhile, as the Seahawks are sitting on their hands,
you know, I took note of Lake and Tomlinson. He
signed with the Texans for four point two million. I
generally think the market kind of speaks right. That's a
that's in an era where where you know, Will Freeze
is seventeen and a half million, Aaron Banks is nineteen
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and a quarter million, Patrick McCarry is twelve and a
half million, another another Makai Beckton at ten million. Like
guys are making you know, eight figures in this deal.
And and and it's like Schnyder just seems to be
I don't know, he just seems to be obstinate about this.
And I would just say this, Okay, you can't throw
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money at marginal play. How about draft picks. Don't throw
draft picks at marginal play. Let me read you some names.
Anthony Brafnor, Justin Senior, Ethan Posting, Jamarco Jones, Phil Haynes,
Damian Lewis, Stone Foreside Reese, ob Odiambo, even Jermaina Fetti,
John Moffett. I mean, that's that's less than half of
the list of linemen that he's drafted in his tenure
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with the Seahawks. That that if just they haven't proven
to play. You say, well, some of those guys, not
all those those guys are mid round picks.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Look at Tray Smith for the Chief six round pick. Bam,
he hits in it and hits in a big way.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
So at any rate, Schneider, if you don't want to
throw money at marginal play, don't throw draft picks at
marginal players.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Please draft better players. I love it, all right, easy done?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
You know what all I will get the message to
John Dick, and I will get that message to John.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Maybe he is doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
That if you were to just years ago. Of course
it's fair. You gotta do better on draft days we'll
talk you.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Simplicity is the best way to go.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
And you know what, I don't mind overpaying either, which
you're right on the office right, that's right. Yes, when
you're so terrible at something, I don't mind overpaying someone
to do it for me for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
No book at the list of your draft picks and
don't do that thing.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
We gotta go. We gotta go. Good stuff and we'll talk.
We'll talk acts in a week. I appreciate it, man,
Thank you here with us. We're gonna break. We gotta
come back and talk about that because all these linemen
are coming and going and nobody's getting a deal that
I'll just leaving. Is it because of us or is
it because of them? We'll talk about that next on
Softie and Dick with Jackson right here from the Emerald
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All right, joining us right now on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
A little more at four or their friend of Huey Miller. Hue,
how are you powers? What's happening to guys? I'm well,
thank you, not much, not much, lots to talk about.
Let's first of all, start off for the guy that
I think you know very well because of his days
at Oregon.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Every year there's always a.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Guy that just fires up the draft board, and then
somebody after him who fires up behind him. First it
was Jackson Dart, and now it's Tyler Shuck, the former
Oregon quarterback who was playing for Texas Tech but sat
out the bowl game against you, dub. What do you
know about Tyler? Excuse me, Louisville, thank you? What do
you know about Tyler Shuck? And is this a guy
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that Seahawk fans and John Schneider, by the way, should
keep their eye on.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
And I think I think we're talking about him because
reportedly he was one of the Seahawks' top thirty visits, right, correct,
Not because he used to play at Oregon with my son.
My son was a year behind Tyler and down there
they have it wouldn't be accurate to call it a roommate.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
It was a sweet mate.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
You know, they share a living room and a kid,
and then four guys get their own you know, bedroom
and bathroom and inerrate. I got to meet Tyler years ago,
I think twenty nineteen. But I'm just gonna tell you
straight up, I don't I don't have any I'm not
predisposed to favor him. I'm not predisposed to have an
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aversion to him. I'm I'm really I'm just telling you
I have I have real neutrality regarding him. And but
I've watched his career. He started the year after Justin
Herbert started for the Ducks, and then he moved on
to Texas Tech. Really got beat out by a guy
named Anthony Brown. I transfer from from Boston College and
then Texas Tech, had a lot of injuries, finds his
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way up to Louisville. All right, So the tape that
I've studied and whatnot, he really excelled at the Combine
beautiful drop. He's six four and seven eights, big guy,
two hundred nineteen pounds, ran a four to six four.
So his physical traits are you know, you know, a
plus physical traits in terms of his size, his mobility,
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and his arm talent. Now last year, you know, I
just studied the Notre Dame tape tape and I'm studying
the Miami tape against Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I mean, the guy had three touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
He was about torn sixty four yards passing muddy pocket,
a lot of pressure on him. He had an interception
that is the most unjust interception you'll ever see. Throws
it right into the Adams apple a of a receiver,
a Louisville receiver who bobbles it, pops it all over
and the free safety comes from ten yards and catches
it off the babble. So at any rate, I see
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a guy that moves really well, and I would not
be surprised. I got another month before the draft, but
I wouldn't be surprised for me if I was projecting
him as the number two quarterback in the draft. Wow,
above Sedor, and now I still got to see a
lot more Wow. But you know, Jackson Dart, you know,
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right now, cam Ward, I think he's ensconced as the
number one. I think there's a lot of questions about
Shaduur Sanders, and not so much the probability of a bust,
but what happens if he is a bust. A lot
of entitlement involved with him. So I could see Shudur
Sanders a lot of people being thanks, but no thanks
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on Shaduur Sanders. He could fall. Jackson Dart is presumed
to be the third guy, Jackson Dart. You know the comparison.
I kind of kind of looked at some numbers. I've
looked at Dart on tape as well. Dart has a
better team around him and all miss and you know,
Dart was number one in passer rating one hundred and
eighty one. That's a college passer rating, by the way,
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which is first and also number one in all college football.
I'm talking about Dart now yards per attempt, but in
a lot of pretty important categories. Shuck is a top
twenty twenty five. And I'm not gonna listen to all
the stats, but but I like his movement. Like I said,
his trades. I mean, he had a touchdown against Notre
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Dame where he gets flushed to the left and he
with a guy in his face, turns around and he
throws this dot in the back of the end zone
side arm. This was anything you'd ever see from Pat Mahomes.
It looked like he was skipping rocks at a river
and he just smoked this ball to the back of
the end zone, perfect spo right on the spot. Kid
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catches it for a touch and I'm like, WHOA. I
had to wind that back to see it against and
he's done some other thing and a lot of his
stats to the extent that he's not where Dart is.
A lot of times he's just running for his life
and throwing balls out of bounds. And again, Louisville just
didn't have the team around him, and we saw that
in the bowl game against the Husky. So that's just
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stage one. I'll give you more on Tyler Suck over
the next month. But you asked me to take a
peek at him. That's my first thought about him.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Is that kind of where the list ends as far
as potential second and third round quarterbacks that the Seahawks
could take. Where you're talking about a potential starter in
the future versus just drafting up you know, Alex Magoog
down down the list. Do you are there anybody else
that you've seen that you're liking. This guy could go
Friday and could be a future starter.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Well, there's there's a guy I have in mind.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
I'm gonna answer your question, Dick, but before I'm gonna
preface it just so that we know what we're talking about.
Because the Seahawks, I think, if you're an average Seahawks fan,
this is a reasonable take. Okay, you've got Sam Darnold.
Does that preclude you from going out and getting somebody else?
I don't think so. But just but but here's some
numbers since twenty ten. I just I picked that as
(05:39):
a as a year because I was the first year
John Schneider was the GM for the Seahawks. All Right,
Since twenty ten, there's been forty nine quarterbacks going the
first round. Twenty one of them have made a Pro Bowl.
And you understand, you know the whole Pro Bowl thing,
how wonky that is, right, So that's forty three percent
in the second round. It goes from forty nineine quarterbacks
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in the first round to thirteen in the second round,
thirty one of them, as sheeve me, thirty one percent
of them. Four out of thirteen thirty one percent made
a Pro Bowl. That's Andy Dalton, Geno Smith, Derek Carr,
and Jalen Hurts. Then you got nineteen, it goes from
thirteen quarterbacks in the second round, it goes nineteen in
the third round, and of the nineteen again, this is
(06:23):
since twenty ten, only two Pro Bowlers Russell Wilson and
Nick Foles. That's ten point five percent. And then one
more round, fourth round. So the numbers are actually getting bigger.
Now we got twenty three quarterbacks in the fourth round.
One Pro Bowl. That's four percent. One Pro Bowl. That's
Kirk Cousins. So what does that tell you if the
Seahawks are gonna get somebody. I just look like the
(06:45):
names of these guys, you know, I recognize we would
all recognize almost every name, and you just go, wow,
that's a lot of dudes they got draft from the
NFL and the top you know, rounds two through four.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Hyanni Eveam can play anyone you like, though, Well.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I would say Brady Cook is going to be a guy.
Uh just I need to uh go into the microscope.
I think that he from Missouri. I think he's got
the traits.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
You know. I look at it guys like like I
kind of look at it one of two ways.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
If a guy's not going to be a projected top
half of the first round or even first round, or
I look and I say, is it because he doesn't
have the physical traits and and like let's say a
brock Purty type like big production. But you look and
you say, I don't know how how that translates in
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
You know, small guy, Uh, lollipop arm, you know, is it?
You know?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Is it that type? You know, productive guy? But we
don't think his physical traits translate to the NFL? Or
is it the other is the the opposite of that
where he like a Nick Foles where you say, okay.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Big dude, strong arm.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Uh, you know, some questionable decision making at the college. Uh,
you know, he's got the physical traits if he if
he under stands how to play the game, and he
and he can play with anticipation, red defenses, make good
decisions through it to the right guy at the right time, YadA, YadA.
And and then is it that category of a guy
that maybe he'll kind of learn the game because he
(08:13):
has a physical trade. So this Brady Cook kid out
of Missouri is in that ladder category. I think a
big guy, dude moves moves well, strong arm, natural pass
with the football. I'm gonna climb under the hood and
see if he can process. But I think you know
it's something we'll be talking about right up in two
and including on draft day with the Seahawks. Are they
going to try and draft a quarterback to challenge Well.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I mean, we'll keep an eye on it. When Brady
Cook wins multiple m vps, we can say you were
the first one to bring it up on the air.
The draft, by the way, is in a month. It's
four weeks from Thursday. Is the freaking first round. Man,
So we're getting close. But hre Mellin's with us a
little more, and for with Hugh and here, I remember
the day.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
That DK metcalf left for Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
You got a concern about what that would mean for
DK for a Jackson Smith and Jigba. You talked about
the screen game and how he had DK block and form,
and that's now no longer a possibility for JSN. With
the arrivals of Cooper, Cup and I guess, if you
want to say, Marquez Valdez Scalding as well, how much
of those concerns have been maybe relieved a little bit
(09:17):
after DK got traded.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
I still have concerns because Cup does his damage in
the slot. You know, if you put him outside against
a corner, lined up what defense is called the number
one guy, and that's just the first guy from the sideline.
It doesn't mean you're the jersey number one or whether
or not you're the presumed best receiver. It's just you're
(09:41):
lined up close to the sideline, so you're one, and
then the next closest guys to it. So if you
when he lines up as the number one receiver against
a corner, he just doesn't have the speed I'm talking
about Cooper Cup. He doesn't have the speed to really
threaten a dB. So the dB can kind of be
you know, in fifth gear, not sixth gear, as he's
(10:02):
covering him and then and then that makes that dB
a lot more quick to respond and to shadow and
he moves on the perimeter. So I think that it's
been proven that Cooper Cup is a better slot receiver,
and so that concerns me because I think that's where
the comparative advantage was for Jackson Smith and Jig. But
(10:22):
in fact, of the thirty five receivers who were targeted
one hundred and more times last year, JSN had the
highest percentage in the slot. Metcalf, by the way, the
lowest percentage in that, so there's some concern there as
for you know, quickly met mvs.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
You know, you look.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
At at what has transpired in the last year, year
or two. So two years ago on that Chief team
that won the Super Bowl, he actually caught a touchdown
in the Super Bowl. He was due to make fourteen million.
It was a fourteen million.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Dollar cap hit.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
So he gets caught. So going into last season, the
twenty twenty four season, he signs.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
With the Bill. He goes from fourteen million to two
and a quarter, which is okay.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
And he goes three weeks with Josh Allen not catching
a ball, and they cut him mid October.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
They just cut him the Bills.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
So he's on the street for a week, and then
the Saints pick him up for minimum salary one point
one two five million league minimum. And now he does
some good things and had a good game or two.
So now he's he's you know, they didn't have chrysal
lavae and and uh and other was it Rashid Shaheed?
(11:37):
You know, so that two receivers have season ending injuries.
So now he hits the free agent market and he
and he signed with Seattle for five point five million.
It was originally reported as nothing guaranteed, at which time
I said, I think it might have been with Chuck
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I said. Look, I'm not I don't.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Have the the the uh, the courage to predict it.
But don't be surprised if MVS does not make the
team right at the end of training camp, or at
least that they bring him in and say, dude, we're
not gonna pay you five point five where you know
you're at the end of training camp. We're gonna slash
you down to two and a half, you know, like
(12:16):
cut him and then re sign him type of thing. Now,
since I've said that, it turns out he's got a
one point five million dollars signing bonus. But that's still
not a lot of commitment. I think that they're likely
to draft a guy in the top five picks. Don't
be surprised if Cody White at six foot three and
three eights, you know, if they give a long look
(12:39):
at him, and whoever they draft.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I just I'm not convinced.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Look, if I had to say bet one way or another,
I would say the probability probably leans towards he makes
the team. I'm talking about MVS, but I would not
be at all surprised if he doesn't even make the
team again. The Bills with Josh Allen. Uh, you know,
the middle of the season, they had they had left
Stefan Uh. Stefan Uh with gibb had been Diggs. Yes,
(13:10):
Stefan Diggs had been moved on. So they had a
need and MVS couldn't fill that need. So they go
out and acquire Amari Cooper mid season. That's how much
MVS wasn't doing.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
The job, right, Yeah, uh, you.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Know, paired with an MVP and Josh Allen so yes,
so without Stefan Diggs they needed a guy and he
couldn't fill the role. So I just think to expect
a lot of MVS. Go ahead and knock yourself out.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I I'm not.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well, how about on the flip side, they're big defensive
addition and DeMarcus Lawrence. What does the film tell you
on him? On how much he's got left? He only
played four games last year, but he was good in
those four games, at least statistically.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah. I thought he was his best in the first
half of the first game. Uh.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
You know, he plays the run. Well, he's got a
great frame. He watched the end zone copy and you
just you just look at him and and he fills
out a uniform exactly the way you want. You know,
their their stabbudies. There's some quickness in there now, uh.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
There. The problem with watching the tape of.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
The Cowboys is is on the other side, number eleven
Michael Parsons. You know, you just go, whoa, Okay, that's
a dude, and and you know, and ninety just can't
move like him.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
But that's okay.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I mean, Michael Parsons is one of the you know,
top handful of defensive players in the NFL, uh in
many people's estimation. But he had three sacks he fell
into him. Two of them were at the line of
scrimmage where the quarterback was kind of forcing flushed to
uh to scramble forward. He had another one where he
where he was eleven yards deep, where where the right
(14:43):
tackle had pushed him way up the field. The right
tackle did his job, pushed Lawrence way up the field,
but it was just somebody else pressure of the quarterback
right into him. So when you hear, oh, well you
had three sacks and four games to me, my my
way of value value. I want to say, hey, did
you beat your man, whether it's a guard attack, did
(15:04):
you beat your man relatively early in the down, and
did you get the quarterback on the ground under two
and a half seconds? Like those are the kind of
sacks I go, WHOA, Okay, he's got something right. But
you know, scheme slash luck, slash teammates forcing you. You
know that I would put all three of those sacks
in that category. So I think it's uh. I think
(15:26):
there's reason to have optimism if you like what he
has done. Obviously, the big concern is how far how
steep is the cliff that he's fallen off?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Right at age thirty three going on thirty four.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Hey, here, before you go, we got about a minute
left here. Seahawks have had I think three linemen coming
for a visit. Dylan Redunds I think was one of them.
He signed with the Titans today. Tevin Jenkins was not
offered a contract. He's signed elsewhere. And they really haven't
done anything right so far in free agency with the
offensive line and just kind of look like they're going
to just depend on the draft. I mean, are you
(16:00):
are you cool with this? Approach that they're taking to
the offensive line.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Well, I'm disappointed. I think it's this the same old,
same old, the same.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
You know, here, John Snider was reported like four days
ago he says, you just can't throw money at marginal play.
Was the quote from Snyder. And that's on last year.
He said, I think that offensive guard is overvalued and overdrafted.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Right.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Well, meanwhile, as the Seahawks are sitting on their hands,
you know, I took note of Lake and Tomlinson. He
signed with the Texans for four point two million. I
generally think the market kind of speaks right. That's a
that's in an era where where you know, Will Freeze
is seventeen and a half million, Aaron Banks is nineteen
(16:43):
and a quarter million, Patrick McCarry is twelve and a
half million, another another Makai Beckton at ten million. Like
guys are making you know, eight figures in this deal.
And and and it's like Schnyder just seems to be
I don't know, he just seems to be obstinate about this.
And I would just say this, Okay, you can't throw
(17:05):
money at marginal play. How about draft picks. Don't throw
draft picks at marginal play. Let me read you some names.
Anthony Brafnor, Justin Senior, Ethan Posting, Jamarco Jones, Phil Haynes,
Damian Lewis, Stone Foreside Reese, ob Odiambo, even Jermaina Fetti,
John Moffett. I mean, that's that's less than half of
the list of linemen that he's drafted in his tenure
(17:29):
with the Seahawks. That that if just they haven't proven
to play. You say, well, some of those guys, not
all those those guys are mid round picks.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Look at Tray Smith for the Chief six round pick. Bam,
he hits in it and hits in a big way.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
So at any rate, Schneider, if you don't want to
throw money at marginal play, don't throw draft picks at
marginal players.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Please draft better players. I love it, all right, easy done?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
You know what all I will get the message to
John Dick, and I will get that message to John.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Maybe he is doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
That if you were to just years ago. Of course
it's fair. You gotta do better on draft days we'll
talk you.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Simplicity is the best way to go.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
And you know what, I don't mind overpaying either, which
you're right on the office right, that's right. Yes, when
you're so terrible at something, I don't mind overpaying someone
to do it for me for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
No book at the list of your draft picks and
don't do that thing.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
We gotta go. We gotta go. Good stuff and we'll talk.
We'll talk acts in a week. I appreciate it, man,
Thank you here with us. We're gonna break. We gotta
come back and talk about that because all these linemen
are coming and going and nobody's getting a deal that
I'll just leaving. Is it because of us or is
it because of them? We'll talk about that next on
Softie and Dick with Jackson right here from the Emerald
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