November 3, 2025 • 18 mins
Jacson Bevens from Cigar Thoughts joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to discuss Sam Darnold’s incredible season from a pro Geno Smith perspective, the big offensive success including the job by the offensive line, and the Hawks’ dominant win last night.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Well, there was a movement, man, There was a bit
of a war going on here in this city.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
It was like the parking lot of Anchorman. Dude.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
You got the Geno Whites on one side, the Darnett's
on the other, Sam Darnold versus Genosmith. A lot of
folks thought getting rid of Gino Smith was a bad idea.
Corbyn Smith me to Cimes and our next guest. And
I'm wondering if Jackson Bevins from Cigar Thoughts on YouTube,
Cigar THOUGHTSNFL dot com, our old friend, if he's ready
to admit the air of his ways, if he's willing
(00:48):
to admit he blew it, He's willing to admit that
just maybe trading Gino was the right move and signing
Sam was the right thing to do for this football team.
Let's find out how stubborn he really is. Joins us
right now on the radio show our friend Jackson Bevans.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
How are you, man, I'm good, I'm good. I appreciate
you guys having me on and yeah, all all in
good fun. But yeah, you know, I'm gonna say it's
not been a great two months for the brand when
it came back.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
That's a great line.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Well, but here's the thing. Here's the thing. So look,
I've been wrong about stuff before. Dick's been wrong about
stuff before me. Dude, I'll tell you man. I wanted
Tyrone Willingham brought back after the two thousand and seven season,
and they lost every game in two thousand and eight.
I wanted lou Panella fired after the ninety nine season.
The next year they make the playoffs, and two years
later they won one hundred and sixteen games.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Okay, So I wanted Matt Hasselbek traded.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yes, everybody makes mistakes, but are you ready? And I
was thinking about you and all your kind, all your
little troops out there from your flock. Sam Darnold sixteen
for sixteen the half, two eighty four touchdowns, perfect passer rating,
and I'm just thinking about our friend Jackson Bevans, and
(02:07):
if he is willing to come on the show, go
on the air and say, you know what, it's over.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
It's over. I was right or excuse me, you were right.
I was wrong. They did the right thing, good thing.
They didn't listen to me. And this battle, this war
is now lost.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Are you ready yet to say that in pry uncle
and wave the white flag?
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Yeah? I mean, so there's two ways we can do this, right,
I mean, if that's what we want, sure, if this
is going to be completely binary, absolutely, there's no case
to be made right now that this hasn't been the
right move so far. If we want context, then I
you know, I think the conversation gets a lot more interesting.
(02:50):
And it's still absolutely looking like the right moves, no question.
What Saint Darnold did last night was as pure of
quarterbacking as you will ever see in that first half.
I mean, there was nothing fluky about it. There was
nothing that was like, well, okay at work that time,
(03:11):
but good luck against a good defense now it was.
It was pure. It was a virtuoso performance. And you know, look,
my replies are overrun every Sunday because at the stance
I took on Seattle's quarterback situation before the season, and
you know, I was very honest about saying I really
(03:33):
wanted to be wrong about Like I hope that I'm wrong.
I am not upset that I'm wrong. This is the
best case outcome. I love that the Seahawks are looking
like a juggernaut. I love that they're running arguably the
most efficient offense in the NFL right now. But I
do want to ask you, guys and anyone else out
there who is victory laughing, did any of you anticipate
(03:55):
Sam Darnold being the most efficient quarterback in the NFL? Like,
none of us saw this coming, right, No.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
It was all it was all a Donald versus Geno thing.
It wasn't a Donald versus the best quarterback in the
NFL thing.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I saw it, and he's like one of the best,
you know, Yeah, I mean, I don't think anybody saw this.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
This is ridiculous. This is ridiculous what he's doing.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
But that's what I think.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
But just go back.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Nobody can really victory lap the performance that he's putting on.
And and we also have to be honest about this
being far in a way, infinitely more healthy environment for
quarterback play than anything Geno Smith had with Shing Walden
and Ryan Grubb. And that's that's not to say that,
you know it, it doesn't make this the right move,
(04:43):
but again, context matters, right.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Well, look, if we're just talking about you know, taking
credit and things like that, you know, yeah, I mean
I didn't see this comra. I didn't see Sam Darnold
on November three being eighteen to one the to win
the MVP.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
You know, we're talking about maybe ripping up the final
couple of years of his deal and extending him right
now to a longer term deal that he's already signed to,
So we can talk about the merits of that, but
that conversation has already started.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I guess. I guess for me, I just always felt.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Like, hey, you're getting younger, you're getting the draft pick,
you're saving a little bit of money, and it's a
contract that you can get out of if things don't
go well. I didn't really see the downside, and I
felt like, you know, Gino's good, he's okay, but if
you want to be a champion, you got to have
a lot more than what Gino Smith cut off for you.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
And they rolled the dice and they may have found it.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
With Sam Darnold, He's got a lot stilled to prove, man,
There's no doubt about that. But right now this is
looking like a grand fricking slam home run for John Schneider.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Is it hot?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Oh? Absolutely absolutely? And you know I have a very
hot and cold relationship with my opinions of John Schnyder overall,
but one thing he is one thousand percent earned the
benefit of the doubt on is quarterbacks and the timing
on when to move on to a quote, you know,
a new quarterback from from you know, putting giving Te
(06:05):
Carroll the leeway to make Russell Wilson the starter over
the big free agent signing Matt Flynn to selling at
the absolute peak with Russ and and look, I mean
you know, became a bit of a punching bag at
the end. But I mean the guy was getting MVP
talk his first year, yet also in a terrible situation
from a play calling and blocking situation. You know. So yeah,
(06:28):
absolutely looking like a grand plan right now. But like
what I said when you and I were texting last night,
is I think it's a little silly to close the
book on anything after eight weeks, because otherwise gives Daniel
Jones a quarter billion dollars, right, Like, I mean, it
is it is so early. This is what Sam Darnold
looked like at this point last year. My biggest concern
(06:52):
with him has always been that he is very good
when he's in a good situation and very very bad
when the situation isn't good. So far, the situation is good.
I hope it stays that way, but he absolutely crumbled
in the biggest moment last year, and until he comes
through in one of those moments, I do think the
(07:12):
jury is still out on whether he is really ascended. Now.
I believe that he can do it, he just hasn't yet.
So I'm not closing the book on anything. But the
other side of the preseason quarterback Deby is got like
a you know, twenty eight point lead at the half.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Yeah, kind of like last night. I mean, that's the
debate looks a lot like last night. There's no question
about Jackson.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Bevis It totally does Jackson.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Bevin's joining us from cigar thoughts? So, so, why do
you think there is this metamorphosis of Sam Donald? I
mean you think that Okay, there's a possibility he could
just slide back into Jets Panthers Sam Donald. But isn't
there a more than reasonable chance that Jets Panthers Sam
Donald was largely because Jets Panthers Sam Darnold was like
(08:03):
twenty one to twenty five years of age and he's
learned how to play the position.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Now. Yeah, yeah, And we see this all the time.
We saw it with Gino Smith, we saw we're seeing
it with Baker Mayfield. You know, there have been a
lot of quarterbacks that bloom late. Maybe we're seeing that
with Daniel Jones right now. We saw it with San
Donold last year, Like this does happen. And this is
why at the top I was saying environment matters. I mean,
(08:30):
there are really really bad organizations that are going to
sail their quarterbacks, and the Jets and the Panthers are
have been those organizations for sure. And you know, if
it was just a matter of, oh, the Viking's lost
that game to the Lions for the number one seed
and then they lost in the playoffs, like okay, that's
(08:53):
that's different than truly two of the worst quarterback performances
that any contender saw all last year, like that is
going to stay in the back of my head. And
it was the lasting image of a quarterback that, you know,
bringing in to replace Ginald Smith, when Gino was dealing
with the second fastest pressure of any quarterback in the
(09:16):
NFL last year, was dealing with low separation from his
receivers because he was having to get the ball out
so early an unimaginative offense. I didn't know that Clint
Kubiak was going to come out here looking like the
next Sean McVay, you know. And so I'm prejecting that
the Seahawks pass blocking and play calling has been bad
for a decade, what does Sam Darnold, who has one
(09:39):
of the worst pressure to sack ratios in modern NFL history,
gonna do in that situation. It's turned out the situation
has been so much better. Great example is transforming that
offensive line. Quint Kubiak is playing chess out there like
a master, I mean, and we're seeing Jack and Smith
and Jigba punch through the clouds into an absolut loot
(10:00):
new stratosphere. You know. The the analytics heads really love
the yards per route run stat in terms of, you know,
being predictive for how good a wide receiver has been
and how good he's going to be. And if you
get to three yards per route run, it's literally just
your receiving yards divided by the number of routes you
(10:22):
run in the season. If you get to three, you're
talking like Tyreek Hill, Cooper Cup, Triple Crown, Jamar Chase
type numbers. That's a three yards per route run. The
number two player in the NFL in yards for out
run right now is cooking the three point two Jackson
Smith and Jiggo is at four point six. No one's
ever even done four for a season. I mean, we
are seeing this offense blossom in a way that nobody predicted.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, Jackson Bevans is with us again from cigar thoughts.
I'm Jewish, he's Genish, leader of the Geno Ice, but
he's but he's waving the white flag a little bit here,
boys and girls. He's not totally ready to it all
the way because he wants to see what Sam Darnald
does in the clutch. But look, I mean, that's that's
that's the mark of a great quarterback, when you start
(11:08):
raising the bar and raising the bar and raising the bar. Well,
he's been great, But let's see what he does when
the NFC we're.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Still waiting for Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, let's see what happens when the NFC West is
on the line. Let's see what happens in weeks, you know,
eighteen against San Francisco. So I do think we're gonna
keep some of us, will keep kicking the can down
the road. And you know what, Jackson, Look, eventually, the
guy's gonna have another turn of a game. That guarantee
you that's gonna happen between now and the end of
the year. That Donald's got a bad game. The difference
(11:36):
is and and you just mentioned it, And I cannot
believe that I'm actually saying this in regards to the Seahawks.
It feels like it should be the inverse of what
I'm about to say. Last year, through eight games in Minnesota,
do you know how many times Sam Darnald was sacked
in the first eight games of the year last year
in Minnesota?
Speaker 4 (11:57):
You know, not off and top of my head.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Twenty five. Been sacked nine times so far this year
in Seattle. I'm forty total nine this year. He's actually
playing behind a good offensive line, which we have.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
How about that succeeded behind a bad one.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Left unbelievable Jackson, What are we doing with a good
offensive line and a good quarterback?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
We can't do that?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Right?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
It feels like uncarded territory. The last time we had
anything close to this is twenty and thirteen. You know,
the high paid offensive line, so you know, and this
defense is not too far from how that defense is
playing too. I mean, it's it is really all falling
into play so far. And I don't want anyone listening
(12:40):
to hear what I'm not saying. I am not trying
to wiggle off the hook here. I'm here to take
my medicine for sure, on my position before the season.
But you know, I am a big believer in allowing
opinions to change with new information and the new intention
we've gotten through the past two months. I mean, it
would be dishonest of me to sit here and pretend
(13:01):
like I don't feel differently now than I did the
last time you guys had me on and and it's awesome.
I've never been happier to be wrong.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I love it, love it.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
How important is it for this team to make a
deal at the deadline? And where would you go at
the deadline.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You know, my answer is different today than it was
twenty four hours ago. I would have said right guard
number one, an off ball linebacker number two, and now
I with the Ernest Jones injury, I mean that that's
one of those ones that could have a huge ripple
effect on the defense. And so, you know, NFL trades
(13:42):
are so difficult. It's just you don't typically see a
lot of them mid season, and it's because teams all
speak different languages. It's it's not like putting, you know,
a basketball player baseball player on a new team where
you're still basically doing the same things. You are entering
a new universe and it's difficult get up to speed.
But I think that if the team's going to be
(14:04):
serious about beating the Lions and the Packers and the
Eagles on the way and the Niners in the Rams
on the way to a super Bowl, they cannot be
getting whipped at right guard the way that they have
been all season, and they are going to need more
depth at off ball linebacker or else. You're just counting
on this defensive line to dominate every single game, and
(14:24):
that's going to be really tough to do against the
top six eight teams in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, I'm really curious by tomorrow they can even do
anything remotely positive to fix that offensive line. I think
it's going to be really hard. And the Ernest Jones
injury is kind of hanging over everybody. I know McDonald says,
you know, not a season ending thing, but who knows.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I mean, they're.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Setbacks and all that and blah blah blah that go
into it, and I mean, let's face it, guys, the
other cool part of this, I think Jackson your thoughts.
But you know, Dick and I kept talking all year
long about the Mariners, and one of the reasons why
we were so bullish on them is because the American
League was wide fricking open. This NFC he kind of
looks like the American League of Football in twenty twenty five.
(15:04):
There's probably six or seventy teams duties that think they
can get.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
There, Oh, no question. I mean, it's like the Packers
lost to the Panthers and the Lions lost to the
Biking yesterday. No one is invincible ever in the NFL,
but I mean the invincibility of the NFC is more
than I can remember in a lot of years like
(15:28):
the pass is there. I will say I do think
last night changed things for Seattle heading into the trade
deadline tomorrow in a couple of ways. One obviously you've
got the Ernest Jong situation, but the commander's season is
now essentially over, and they're talk of a couple of
their blind men, Andrew Wiley and Nick Ali Gretti, who
(15:49):
are very seasoned, veteran great, above average interior offensive blindman
who may be available now where they wouldn't have been
if the commanders had one last night. So those are
a couple of names keep an eye on as well.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I love it all right, Cigar thoughts on YouTube, Cigar
thoughts NFL on the web. Great stuff out of Jackson.
We appreciate you coming on the air and admitting your
past failures. We are all human, nobody is perfect. I've
already heard from Mina Kimes as well, who was waving
the white flag herself awaiting the smoke signal from Corbyn
(16:26):
Smith and that has not come yet.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
So as soon as I get that.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
He's still recovering from that, he's still recovering from that.
Blue Jays lost many.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
That's right, he's a Blue man. Well, you know what,
he can suck it too with the rest of those. Yeah, yeah,
he's talking.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
You tell him that's coming from me.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Jackson. Great stuff and we'll talk soon, buddy. Appreciate it, man,
all right, appreciate you boys.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
All right, Jackson Bevans with us on the radio station.
I mean, god, it's just uh it tore us apart
as the Twelfth Man is sea awknition, this Geno versus
Sam thing, and now I feel like the healing process
Dick has become. We could all meet in the middle,
all come together and root for Sam Donald to go
out and bring us back to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
And I would have hated to be on that side
as well, because, like, as you watch the quarterback of
the team that you love just be a Pro Bowl quarterback,
you're kind of like, it's it doesn't fire you up
as much because you're kind of in a way rooting
for him to be good but not great, right, and
you're kind of waiting, you know, waiting for another team's
quarterback in Gino Smith to be good and not crappy.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I'll tell you what, man, I feel for Viking fans,
I really do, because they're watching Sam Donald last night.
Just rip up the Commanders and know they won over
the weekend. But they didn't win because JJ McCarthy lit
up the box score. The guy didn't even average six
yards of throw for crying.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
He had one good quarter like he always does. Has
JJ looks like a Hall of Famer for one quarter
in every single game.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
They've got Daniel Jones in Indianapolis, they got Sam Donald
here in Seattle.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
They've got to be just on suicide Watch? Are you
kidding me? After that? I mean, it's unbelievable, and they're
great fans.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
So you feel bad for Paul Allen R Friends out
there k fan watching this man, But hey, you're lost suckers,
and give John Schneider credit.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
He's done it again.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Jumped off to Wilson wagon at the exact right time,
jumped off the Geno wagon at the exact right time,
save money, got draft picks in the process, rebuilt the
football team, and like we said earlier, man, I don't
see any good reason, none, why Seahawk fan should not
be thinking about winning the NFC right now.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
None.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Now, there's four or five other teams, if not maybe
more that could say the same thing. But if there's
a group of teams that should be considered amongst that
group that can have that conversation.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
We're one of them, no question, no question, we're one
of them.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
We're gonna break a lot more to get to, including
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Well, there was a movement, man, There was a bit
of a war going on here in this city.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
It was like the parking lot of Anchorman. Dude.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
You got the Geno Whites on one side, the Darnett's
on the other, Sam Darnold versus Genosmith. A lot of
folks thought getting rid of Gino Smith was a bad idea.
Corbyn Smith me to Cimes and our next guest. And
I'm wondering if Jackson Bevins from Cigar Thoughts on YouTube,
Cigar THOUGHTSNFL dot com, our old friend, if he's ready
to admit the air of his ways, if he's willing
(00:48):
to admit he blew it, He's willing to admit that
just maybe trading Gino was the right move and signing
Sam was the right thing to do for this football team.
Let's find out how stubborn he really is. Joins us
right now on the radio show our friend Jackson Bevans.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
How are you, man, I'm good, I'm good. I appreciate
you guys having me on and yeah, all all in
good fun. But yeah, you know, I'm gonna say it's
not been a great two months for the brand when
it came back.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
That's a great line.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Well, but here's the thing. Here's the thing. So look,
I've been wrong about stuff before. Dick's been wrong about
stuff before me. Dude, I'll tell you man. I wanted
Tyrone Willingham brought back after the two thousand and seven season,
and they lost every game in two thousand and eight.
I wanted lou Panella fired after the ninety nine season.
The next year they make the playoffs, and two years
later they won one hundred and sixteen games.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Okay, So I wanted Matt Hasselbek traded.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yes, everybody makes mistakes, but are you ready? And I
was thinking about you and all your kind, all your
little troops out there from your flock. Sam Darnold sixteen
for sixteen the half, two eighty four touchdowns, perfect passer rating,
and I'm just thinking about our friend Jackson Bevans, and
(02:07):
if he is willing to come on the show, go
on the air and say, you know what, it's over.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
It's over. I was right or excuse me, you were right.
I was wrong. They did the right thing, good thing.
They didn't listen to me. And this battle, this war
is now lost.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Are you ready yet to say that in pry uncle
and wave the white flag?
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Yeah? I mean, so there's two ways we can do this, right,
I mean, if that's what we want, sure, if this
is going to be completely binary, absolutely, there's no case
to be made right now that this hasn't been the
right move so far. If we want context, then I
you know, I think the conversation gets a lot more interesting.
(02:50):
And it's still absolutely looking like the right moves, no question.
What Saint Darnold did last night was as pure of
quarterbacking as you will ever see in that first half.
I mean, there was nothing fluky about it. There was
nothing that was like, well, okay at work that time,
(03:11):
but good luck against a good defense now it was.
It was pure. It was a virtuoso performance. And you know, look,
my replies are overrun every Sunday because at the stance
I took on Seattle's quarterback situation before the season, and
you know, I was very honest about saying I really
(03:33):
wanted to be wrong about Like I hope that I'm wrong.
I am not upset that I'm wrong. This is the
best case outcome. I love that the Seahawks are looking
like a juggernaut. I love that they're running arguably the
most efficient offense in the NFL right now. But I
do want to ask you, guys and anyone else out
there who is victory laughing, did any of you anticipate
(03:55):
Sam Darnold being the most efficient quarterback in the NFL? Like,
none of us saw this coming, right, No.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
It was all it was all a Donald versus Geno thing.
It wasn't a Donald versus the best quarterback in the
NFL thing.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I saw it, and he's like one of the best,
you know, Yeah, I mean, I don't think anybody saw this.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
This is ridiculous. This is ridiculous what he's doing.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
But that's what I think.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
But just go back.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Nobody can really victory lap the performance that he's putting on.
And and we also have to be honest about this
being far in a way, infinitely more healthy environment for
quarterback play than anything Geno Smith had with Shing Walden
and Ryan Grubb. And that's that's not to say that,
you know it, it doesn't make this the right move,
(04:43):
but again, context matters, right.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Well, look, if we're just talking about you know, taking
credit and things like that, you know, yeah, I mean
I didn't see this comra. I didn't see Sam Darnold
on November three being eighteen to one the to win
the MVP.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
You know, we're talking about maybe ripping up the final
couple of years of his deal and extending him right
now to a longer term deal that he's already signed to,
So we can talk about the merits of that, but
that conversation has already started.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I guess. I guess for me, I just always felt.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Like, hey, you're getting younger, you're getting the draft pick,
you're saving a little bit of money, and it's a
contract that you can get out of if things don't
go well. I didn't really see the downside, and I
felt like, you know, Gino's good, he's okay, but if
you want to be a champion, you got to have
a lot more than what Gino Smith cut off for you.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
And they rolled the dice and they may have found it.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
With Sam Darnold, He's got a lot stilled to prove, man,
There's no doubt about that. But right now this is
looking like a grand fricking slam home run for John Schneider.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Is it hot?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Oh? Absolutely absolutely? And you know I have a very
hot and cold relationship with my opinions of John Schnyder overall,
but one thing he is one thousand percent earned the
benefit of the doubt on is quarterbacks and the timing
on when to move on to a quote, you know,
a new quarterback from from you know, putting giving Te
(06:05):
Carroll the leeway to make Russell Wilson the starter over
the big free agent signing Matt Flynn to selling at
the absolute peak with Russ and and look, I mean
you know, became a bit of a punching bag at
the end. But I mean the guy was getting MVP
talk his first year, yet also in a terrible situation
from a play calling and blocking situation. You know. So yeah,
(06:28):
absolutely looking like a grand plan right now. But like
what I said when you and I were texting last night,
is I think it's a little silly to close the
book on anything after eight weeks, because otherwise gives Daniel
Jones a quarter billion dollars, right, Like, I mean, it
is it is so early. This is what Sam Darnold
looked like at this point last year. My biggest concern
(06:52):
with him has always been that he is very good
when he's in a good situation and very very bad
when the situation isn't good. So far, the situation is good.
I hope it stays that way, but he absolutely crumbled
in the biggest moment last year, and until he comes
through in one of those moments, I do think the
(07:12):
jury is still out on whether he is really ascended. Now.
I believe that he can do it, he just hasn't yet.
So I'm not closing the book on anything. But the
other side of the preseason quarterback Deby is got like
a you know, twenty eight point lead at the half.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Yeah, kind of like last night. I mean, that's the
debate looks a lot like last night. There's no question
about Jackson.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Bevis It totally does Jackson.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Bevin's joining us from cigar thoughts? So, so, why do
you think there is this metamorphosis of Sam Donald? I
mean you think that Okay, there's a possibility he could
just slide back into Jets Panthers Sam Donald. But isn't
there a more than reasonable chance that Jets Panthers Sam
Donald was largely because Jets Panthers Sam Darnold was like
(08:03):
twenty one to twenty five years of age and he's
learned how to play the position.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Now. Yeah, yeah, And we see this all the time.
We saw it with Gino Smith, we saw we're seeing
it with Baker Mayfield. You know, there have been a
lot of quarterbacks that bloom late. Maybe we're seeing that
with Daniel Jones right now. We saw it with San
Donold last year, Like this does happen. And this is
why at the top I was saying environment matters. I mean,
(08:30):
there are really really bad organizations that are going to
sail their quarterbacks, and the Jets and the Panthers are
have been those organizations for sure. And you know, if
it was just a matter of, oh, the Viking's lost
that game to the Lions for the number one seed
and then they lost in the playoffs, like okay, that's
(08:53):
that's different than truly two of the worst quarterback performances
that any contender saw all last year, like that is
going to stay in the back of my head. And
it was the lasting image of a quarterback that, you know,
bringing in to replace Ginald Smith, when Gino was dealing
with the second fastest pressure of any quarterback in the
(09:16):
NFL last year, was dealing with low separation from his
receivers because he was having to get the ball out
so early an unimaginative offense. I didn't know that Clint
Kubiak was going to come out here looking like the
next Sean McVay, you know. And so I'm prejecting that
the Seahawks pass blocking and play calling has been bad
for a decade, what does Sam Darnold, who has one
(09:39):
of the worst pressure to sack ratios in modern NFL history,
gonna do in that situation. It's turned out the situation
has been so much better. Great example is transforming that
offensive line. Quint Kubiak is playing chess out there like
a master, I mean, and we're seeing Jack and Smith
and Jigba punch through the clouds into an absolut loot
(10:00):
new stratosphere. You know. The the analytics heads really love
the yards per route run stat in terms of, you know,
being predictive for how good a wide receiver has been
and how good he's going to be. And if you
get to three yards per route run, it's literally just
your receiving yards divided by the number of routes you
(10:22):
run in the season. If you get to three, you're
talking like Tyreek Hill, Cooper Cup, Triple Crown, Jamar Chase
type numbers. That's a three yards per route run. The
number two player in the NFL in yards for out
run right now is cooking the three point two Jackson
Smith and Jiggo is at four point six. No one's
ever even done four for a season. I mean, we
are seeing this offense blossom in a way that nobody predicted.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, Jackson Bevans is with us again from cigar thoughts.
I'm Jewish, he's Genish, leader of the Geno Ice, but
he's but he's waving the white flag a little bit here,
boys and girls. He's not totally ready to it all
the way because he wants to see what Sam Darnald
does in the clutch. But look, I mean, that's that's
that's the mark of a great quarterback, when you start
(11:08):
raising the bar and raising the bar and raising the bar. Well,
he's been great, But let's see what he does when
the NFC we're.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Still waiting for Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, let's see what happens when the NFC West is
on the line. Let's see what happens in weeks, you know,
eighteen against San Francisco. So I do think we're gonna
keep some of us, will keep kicking the can down
the road. And you know what, Jackson, Look, eventually, the
guy's gonna have another turn of a game. That guarantee
you that's gonna happen between now and the end of
the year. That Donald's got a bad game. The difference
(11:36):
is and and you just mentioned it, And I cannot
believe that I'm actually saying this in regards to the Seahawks.
It feels like it should be the inverse of what
I'm about to say. Last year, through eight games in Minnesota,
do you know how many times Sam Darnald was sacked
in the first eight games of the year last year
in Minnesota?
Speaker 4 (11:57):
You know, not off and top of my head.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Twenty five. Been sacked nine times so far this year
in Seattle. I'm forty total nine this year. He's actually
playing behind a good offensive line, which we have.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
How about that succeeded behind a bad one.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Left unbelievable Jackson, What are we doing with a good
offensive line and a good quarterback?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
We can't do that?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Right?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
It feels like uncarded territory. The last time we had
anything close to this is twenty and thirteen. You know,
the high paid offensive line, so you know, and this
defense is not too far from how that defense is
playing too. I mean, it's it is really all falling
into play so far. And I don't want anyone listening
(12:40):
to hear what I'm not saying. I am not trying
to wiggle off the hook here. I'm here to take
my medicine for sure, on my position before the season.
But you know, I am a big believer in allowing
opinions to change with new information and the new intention
we've gotten through the past two months. I mean, it
would be dishonest of me to sit here and pretend
(13:01):
like I don't feel differently now than I did the
last time you guys had me on and and it's awesome.
I've never been happier to be wrong.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I love it, love it.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
How important is it for this team to make a
deal at the deadline? And where would you go at
the deadline.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You know, my answer is different today than it was
twenty four hours ago. I would have said right guard
number one, an off ball linebacker number two, and now
I with the Ernest Jones injury, I mean that that's
one of those ones that could have a huge ripple
effect on the defense. And so, you know, NFL trades
(13:42):
are so difficult. It's just you don't typically see a
lot of them mid season, and it's because teams all
speak different languages. It's it's not like putting, you know,
a basketball player baseball player on a new team where
you're still basically doing the same things. You are entering
a new universe and it's difficult get up to speed.
But I think that if the team's going to be
(14:04):
serious about beating the Lions and the Packers and the
Eagles on the way and the Niners in the Rams
on the way to a super Bowl, they cannot be
getting whipped at right guard the way that they have
been all season, and they are going to need more
depth at off ball linebacker or else. You're just counting
on this defensive line to dominate every single game, and
(14:24):
that's going to be really tough to do against the
top six eight teams in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, I'm really curious by tomorrow they can even do
anything remotely positive to fix that offensive line. I think
it's going to be really hard. And the Ernest Jones
injury is kind of hanging over everybody. I know McDonald says,
you know, not a season ending thing, but who knows.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I mean, they're.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Setbacks and all that and blah blah blah that go
into it, and I mean, let's face it, guys, the
other cool part of this, I think Jackson your thoughts.
But you know, Dick and I kept talking all year
long about the Mariners, and one of the reasons why
we were so bullish on them is because the American
League was wide fricking open. This NFC he kind of
looks like the American League of Football in twenty twenty five.
(15:04):
There's probably six or seventy teams duties that think they
can get.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
There, Oh, no question. I mean, it's like the Packers
lost to the Panthers and the Lions lost to the
Biking yesterday. No one is invincible ever in the NFL,
but I mean the invincibility of the NFC is more
than I can remember in a lot of years like
(15:28):
the pass is there. I will say I do think
last night changed things for Seattle heading into the trade
deadline tomorrow in a couple of ways. One obviously you've
got the Ernest Jong situation, but the commander's season is
now essentially over, and they're talk of a couple of
their blind men, Andrew Wiley and Nick Ali Gretti, who
(15:49):
are very seasoned, veteran great, above average interior offensive blindman
who may be available now where they wouldn't have been
if the commanders had one last night. So those are
a couple of names keep an eye on as well.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I love it all right, Cigar thoughts on YouTube, Cigar
thoughts NFL on the web. Great stuff out of Jackson.
We appreciate you coming on the air and admitting your
past failures. We are all human, nobody is perfect. I've
already heard from Mina Kimes as well, who was waving
the white flag herself awaiting the smoke signal from Corbyn
(16:26):
Smith and that has not come yet.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
So as soon as I get that.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
He's still recovering from that, he's still recovering from that.
Blue Jays lost many.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
That's right, he's a Blue man. Well, you know what,
he can suck it too with the rest of those. Yeah, yeah,
he's talking.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
You tell him that's coming from me.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Jackson. Great stuff and we'll talk soon, buddy. Appreciate it, man,
all right, appreciate you boys.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
All right, Jackson Bevans with us on the radio station.
I mean, god, it's just uh it tore us apart
as the Twelfth Man is sea awknition, this Geno versus
Sam thing, and now I feel like the healing process
Dick has become. We could all meet in the middle,
all come together and root for Sam Donald to go
out and bring us back to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
And I would have hated to be on that side
as well, because, like, as you watch the quarterback of
the team that you love just be a Pro Bowl quarterback,
you're kind of like, it's it doesn't fire you up
as much because you're kind of in a way rooting
for him to be good but not great, right, and
you're kind of waiting, you know, waiting for another team's
quarterback in Gino Smith to be good and not crappy.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I'll tell you what, man, I feel for Viking fans,
I really do, because they're watching Sam Donald last night.
Just rip up the Commanders and know they won over
the weekend. But they didn't win because JJ McCarthy lit
up the box score. The guy didn't even average six
yards of throw for crying.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
He had one good quarter like he always does. Has
JJ looks like a Hall of Famer for one quarter
in every single game.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
They've got Daniel Jones in Indianapolis, they got Sam Donald
here in Seattle.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
They've got to be just on suicide Watch? Are you
kidding me? After that? I mean, it's unbelievable, and they're
great fans.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
So you feel bad for Paul Allen R Friends out
there k fan watching this man, But hey, you're lost suckers,
and give John Schneider credit.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
He's done it again.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Jumped off to Wilson wagon at the exact right time,
jumped off the Geno wagon at the exact right time,
save money, got draft picks in the process, rebuilt the
football team, and like we said earlier, man, I don't
see any good reason, none, why Seahawk fan should not
be thinking about winning the NFC right now.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
None.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Now, there's four or five other teams, if not maybe
more that could say the same thing. But if there's
a group of teams that should be considered amongst that
group that can have that conversation.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
We're one of them, no question, no question, we're one
of them.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
We're gonna break a lot more to get to, including
Jason Hamilton Husky basketball tips off tonight. How about that
against UAB over at heck Ed at eight o'clock here
that game on nine point fifty am. J Hammill join
us around six to talk about it right here on
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