June 17, 2025 • 18 mins
Jerry Brewer from The Washington Post joins Dave Softy Mahler and Jackson Felts to talk about the Oklahoma City Thunder closing in on an NBA championship, the Pacers hope right now, the Mariners struggles over the last 20 years and frustrating spending.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for our weekly conversation with award winning Washington
Post columnist Jerry Brewer, brought to you by Northwest Handling Systems.
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(00:23):
Now with Jerry Brewer, here's softy Indian.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I just realized Jackson, that when Jerry Brewer comes on
the air, it's very rare that both me and Dick
are here at the same time.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Right, Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Gone, He's gone. Whatever I mean. It does give me
a chance to play my favorite Ghostbusters drop when Dick
fan is not his.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yes, it's true.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
This man has no Dick.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I know a big Ghostbusters fan as well when I
see one. Jerry Brewer joins us on the radio show. Jerry,
how are you pal?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm great man. It's great to hear your voice back
to normal.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Also, oh god, dude, brutal for a guy that does
a radio show for a living. Not having a voice
is a little bit of a prop It'd be like
if somebody cut off all your fingers. Although there's probably
technology available now where you could still write a column.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Right, yeah, but it just wouldn't be the same. It
wouldn't feel right.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
How often have you actually used voice to text to
like write a column that was published. Has that ever happened?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Never? Never? Never? Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
How often do you use it to send a text
message to your wife?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Like?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
There's some times when I absolutely have to if I'm
kind of like on the move, you know, walking or
you know, if I if I have to get a
message off or I get a stop sign or some
stoplight or something, but not very often, Like I'm old school.
I mean, if I could, if I could write to
text right literally with it with a pencil or a
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pen I'd be the fool who did that.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I mean, the question is, softie, how many times do
you not use voice to send a message.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Well, there's two things. Number one and I want both
your takes on this chair ast with you. I feel
like we now know what it was like to live
ten thousand years ago when people used to communicate with
pictures and caves. By the way, because now we're doing
that with emojis. I mean, that's all emojis.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I literally just texted Jerry and emoji five minutes ago.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Like Jerry, they're just they're they're hieroglyphics for twenty twenty five.
I mean, how many text messages. I don't know how
old your oldest kid is, but how many text messages
do you get from you know, young people and they
don't even use words. They just send you pictures to
express whatever the hell they're thinking. That is hieroglyphics circa
twenty twenty five. And then number two. Every time I
use voice to text, it never works. I gotta go back,
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and I got I gotta, I gotta.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Write it all over again.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
And yeah, you still use it fricking iPhone can't understand
what the hell I'm talking about?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Jerry? Is it me? Or is it the phone?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah? Why do you even do it when you have
to edit it? It's twice the long to edit it
as it would to write it.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Unbelievable, man, terrible. Well, just do me a favor, use
your fingers, use your voice, use means necessary, and get
a message to Tyrese Halliburton and the Indiana Pacers please
to pull their heads out of their ass and get
it done in game six tomorrow. Jerry, we are forty
eight minutes away from Armageddon, a stain on America, a
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stain on the NBA that will never be washed off.
If the thunder win this championship tomorrow night, I have
resigned myself to the inevitability that it's over, and I'm
wondering if you're doing the exact same thing.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah. Really, ever since they blew out Denver in Game
seven of the second round, I've been preparing myself for
the fact that they could win it. I just I
didn't think that Minnesota was going to put up a
much of a fight, and they didn't. I'm really impressed
with Indiana, but it just seems, it seems with Halliburton
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and this injury, now, I just don't know how they're
going to muster up enough to win both of the
next two. I wouldn't be surprised if they win on
Thursday night, but then I could just see him getting
blown out in game seven.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I mean, Jerry, that's the question is where does the
hope come from? Like for us here in Seattle and
for those in Indiana, Like, what do you write if
Haliburton can't go and that's what we're kind of starting
to see. Then where does the hope lie with the Pacers?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well as the hope would lie in Rick Carlisle. The
fact that he's won a championship before, and he's I
would say he's top five, top seven coach in the NBA,
and the way their system works. You know, they kind
of have an offense that you know, a lot of
people call their offense flow, but I call their offense
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flow with a capital S because I think they just
run a free flowing style better than anyone in the NBA.
And you saw how well McConnell played in the minutes
that he that he was given last night. So I
think for a game you could muster up enough to
extend the series and then you're putting a lot of
pressure on a young team at home in game seven
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as an overwhelming favorite coming in and then you just
see what happens in a game seven. I think that's
probably the road for them. But Carlisle is gonna have
to dial up something really cool. I mean, maybe they
just play crazy fast, but the problem is when you
play that way is the turnovers. And I mean Haliburton
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is if he's not number one and assist a turnover
every year. He's like number two or number three. And
if you're taking him, if you're putting him in a
situation in which he's a liability on the floor, you're
not going to be able to have him just as
a ball mover. He's not gonna score. He just I
mean the way he's moving. Unless he makes like six
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seven threes and has one of those Isaiah Thomas against
the Lakers kind of games, I just don't see him
being much of a scoring threat. But can't he be
out there and move well enough for them to play
his own defense or something, just so that they don't
turn the ball over thirty times?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Well, maybe Sga, I'll slip on a wet spot and
pull his groin or something. There's the hope or whatever, right,
I mean, I'm not rooting for anything horrible. I mean,
you know what, Look, he wants to blow his knee out.
He'll recover, he'll be fine, But something like that, right,
you know, just go slip on a spot that wasn't
cleaned up by one of the kids out there and
pull all groin and maybe you can't go and maybe
(06:25):
che Holmgren, you know, gets into a fender bender and
he's just emotionally unstable and he can't play tonight or tomorrow.
That's the hope Jackson. But Jerry brewers with us and Jerry,
I want to go back to something you said a
week ago. I think it was when you said you
didn't like the way ESPN was talking about the NBA,
and we played a clip and fun with audio last
segment where steven A said that if Giannis does not
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win another title, he's underachieved. And look, I mean that's
just obviously a matter of opinion. When you win a
championship that early in your career, I could see how
the bar would be raised tremendously. But Jay Williams called
him out on it on TV. I think it was
yesterday over his take. So when you say you don't
like the way ESPN talks about the NBA, expand on that.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
What do you mean? Yeah, I mean I think that
even when they're doing free and halftime show, it feels
like first take colon NBA Edition instead of it instead
of it. Like when I'm watching a game, I'm so
locked into the game. I want to know what's happening.
I need a player or just like someone who is
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just great an analysis to explain to me why this
team is turning the ball over, explaining that fifteen to
four run to me, explain something that I don't know
because I'm lost in the game. I don't need to
hear about legacy and this guy needs to step up.
I can tell you when a guy is three four
eleven at halftime that he needs to step up. I
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need to know like what the defense is doing to
influence him, right, Like, those are the kinds of things
I just think they're they're so obsessed with ratings on
what happens like during their daytime programming that they forget
that even though stephen A is the ESPN franchise, we
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don't need stephen A breaking down games or not breaking
down games. He's sitting there playing Solitaire during the game,
and you see the video of that where he was
talking about he was doing it and a break in
the action, and the video actually showed that he was
doing it in the middle of the action. So like,
you're bored and all you're willing to talk about is
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like three topics as loud as you possibly can. The
problem becomes then, like the NBA is really leaning into
all this parody, and with parody, you have a bunch
of teams and players that you don't really know, and
so you need your television partner to help educate the
fan base so that they might be interested in some
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of these teams. And it's a different banana when you've
got the Lakers and Lebron all the time, or Steph
and the step Kerry and the Warriors all the time,
and all these known commodities. It's a lot different if
every year we're going to start to see one, if
not both teams be fresh faces. We can't have the
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same conversations when you're actually introducing the world to these
teams as opposed to Lebron. Who I mean, how many
times with Lebron'm into the finals by eight and nine times?
So we know his story. It's a different when it's
a news story and they've done a terrible job telling
a new story in this playoffs, but specifically in these finals. Now,
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I love it.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Jerry Brewer again with us courtesy at Northwest Handling Systems,
joins us every Tuesday four right here on ninety three
three KJR And Jerry, I'm curious about you know your
thoughts on what's going on with the Mariners. You know,
Chuck was on with us on Friday from the Rainiers,
and I think his quote was there in a bad way.
And then they went out and they swept the Guardians
obviously just three games, but then lost last night in
a very twenty twenty four ish type of game. And
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I looked it up before the show that the Mariner
record was Logan Gilbert, George Kirby, and Luis Castillo on
the mound. Since the start of last year, one hundred
and twenty two starts, they're fifty nine and sixty three
with those three guys on the mound. All three have
eras well under four and they're just not winning games
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even with these starting pitchers. And you know, I told
Jackson in the first segment of the show to that
I'm just kind of worried about what this franchise is
doing right now with the way they're underachieving to the
future of their fan base, meaning they're giving young kids
a lot of reasons to just pick a new team
to roof for pal.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah. Man, that's that blows my mind, like that shades
of Felix. You know, I mean a lot of times
I feel like they have three Felixes, Iwakuma and Cliff
Lee for the fifteen starts that he made in Seattle,
all in their same rotation, and they're not getting it done.
They're really regressing to what they were before. Like the
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offense was able to keep them afloat while all the
pitchers were hurt. Now they're back, and it likes, I mean,
we've been through the rotation once and like it really
feels like like those guys are ready to start putting
the innings together and being what they've always been. But
now the offense is like really in the tank. Your
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bigger question having a thirteen year old and a nine
year old in the house and seeing and they are
Seattle kids and seeing how they're experiencing the Mariners and
other Seattle teams. You know, I'll watch it, you know
if the game the game is at least on in
the background every single night, and you know it's like, hey,
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come come down and watch like four innings with me.
It's like I don't want to watch. They're gonna lose. Wow.
And so like that mentality concerns me. The mentality in
general of you know, when you have young children, they're
not in the sports like we were in the sports,
even though Dad as a sports writer and all this,
they're not most of them aren't as obsessed, you know,
(12:05):
as observers as we were. So all of those things,
like really do concern me that you have these moments, right,
Like I'm telling the man, you know, they've won seven
out of ten, they're really good. Let's sit down and
watch this game. You know, you sit down and watch
the game, and not only do they lose, but like
no action in the game, right, you know, which is
(12:26):
like the worst, right, Like it's one thing if you're
losing seven to six, and like it was all these
fireworks that keep them interested. But they're like, yeah, you
know they got they walk to guys, you know, first
and second, none out up, you know, out up, strikeout out.
They don't even like move the runner over, like and
then they're like, oh, I'm going to go do something else, Dad,
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And I'm just sitting here, you know, on my butt
in the basement watching the game by myself. Right.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Well, Swarry, yesterday of five point thirty, Satie and I
got into a nice little debate with Dick over what
we saw the rough Devers trade. That's agreement by the way,
I mean really it did kind of raise to some
high levels because Dick was all saying, well, look at this,
You're gonna be end up paying Raphaeld Devers till Jerry
Depoto is ninety years old, and you know it would
be on John Stanton's books for the rest of his
life and all the money, money, money, money, money, and
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Sophie were saying, yeah, but you know, if you have
to give up Emerson Hancock and look at what you
need on the offensive end. And I'm wondering where you
stand on on that deal with between Boston and San Francisco,
if the Mariners should have been on it, if they
should have offered a similar deal, and how much finances
play a role when you need such an offensive piece
like a Devors, you.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Know, in general, Jackson and I am just like this
unemotional observer of sports, right, and I have to cover everything,
but the fact that I watch the Mariners down there
every night and follow them even when I'm on the
road and can't watch them on television, like I want
to see them have nice things, you know, I see
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a half of a great baseball team, maybe even sixty
percent of a great baseball team. And it really does
frustrate me more than just the average reporter when you
see a move like that and you can't even consider
whether the Mariners could have done that because it's just
totally off the books, and we have been conditioned that
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they're not going to spend any money. They're not gonna
do this, They're not going to do that. We scrutinize
weird stuff like I never understand in sports while we're
concerned about the owner's wallets. Why you know, like you're
you're sitting here and you've been in the same mode
for like five years where you're sixty percent of the
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way there. It's like, let's let's get it done and
who no one. I'll put it this, no one will
care about the remaining one hundred and fifty million dollars
on Rafael contract if he's the difference maker that gets
it done. And so that's what the giant. The Giants
are sitting there thinking, you know what, Hey, I'm not
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gonna worry about what his contract is in twenty thirty one,
Like if we can get past the Dodgers and get
to another World Series or win the World Series, nobody's
gonna worry about this. And it's also baseball. You know,
everything is tradable in some way. You might have to
eat some of the money to trade it. You might
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have to trade a prospect you really don't want to trade.
But all of these things are movable, and I wouldn't
be scared by numbers. I'm not scared off by anything.
I just want to see players. And I still look
at this lineup once again, and I know last week
I said there was you know, only two guys who
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really scare you in that lineup, and one of them Julio,
who's been a bit of an underachiever at the plate,
at least not as an overall player at the plate.
I'll put a third one in there, okay, because JP
is headed to the All Star Game this year and
he deserves it and wonderful for him. That's still six
other spots in the in the lineup that don't I mean,
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they they don't scare me at all. And so like
when I look at the Mariners, I look at him
and I'm like, your two good bats and one average
bat still away from being where you need to be.
Like that's what and that's why when they when they
go against like true championship teams, it's like really struggling
to get one out of the three or getting swept
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or you know, all of these things, right like unless
and then we have the one moment against like the
Padres in which they play really well and then you
think it's on. But then like, uh, they come back
to the pack against bad teams. They have a regular
season problem, Like and we all hang on to this
dream of like if we could just get this rotation
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to the postseason. Uh, they can't even get to the postseason.
And part of that is the fact that they just
haven't invested enough in the team. And once again, you
are sixty percent of the way there, and like, have
you ever like you ever like try to run like
a five k. We won't even say like a ten
k or a half or a marathon, No, but like
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you're on a five k and you're but you're almost
to the end, and it's like do you really want
to like stop and eat and drink some water or
do you want to say that you finished it even
if you've got to walk, even if you've got to
crawl to the end. And I just don't see that
desire for them to get to the end of the race,
and that's really frustrating one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Man Well said, It's like I've always said, can you
imagine celebrating a World Series Championship Game seven in Seattle
Raphael Dever's game winning home run to win the World
Series for the first time, and you and I are
jumping up and down, going this is great. But what
are we doing about the thirty three million in two
thirty How are we going to handle that?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Jerry?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I mean, get out of here. Great stuff, dude, you're
the man we were the rest of the weekend. We'll
talk next Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Pitts Jerry.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
All right, all right, Jerry Brewer with us a lot there.
I want to respond to lots next on ninety three
three k J R F M.
It's time for our weekly conversation with award winning Washington
Post columnist Jerry Brewer, brought to you by Northwest Handling Systems.
From forklifts to Pella jashers conveyors to loading duck equipment,
we sell, rent and service all your warehouse he needs
request a quote today at NWHS dot com or give
us a call at four two five five zero five hundred.
(00:23):
Now with Jerry Brewer, here's softy Indian.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I just realized Jackson, that when Jerry Brewer comes on
the air, it's very rare that both me and Dick
are here at the same time.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Right, Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Gone, He's gone. Whatever I mean. It does give me
a chance to play my favorite Ghostbusters drop when Dick
fan is not his.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yes, it's true.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
This man has no Dick.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I know a big Ghostbusters fan as well when I
see one. Jerry Brewer joins us on the radio show. Jerry,
how are you pal?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm great man. It's great to hear your voice back
to normal.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Also, oh god, dude, brutal for a guy that does
a radio show for a living. Not having a voice
is a little bit of a prop It'd be like
if somebody cut off all your fingers. Although there's probably
technology available now where you could still write a column.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Right, yeah, but it just wouldn't be the same. It
wouldn't feel right.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
How often have you actually used voice to text to
like write a column that was published. Has that ever happened?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Never? Never? Never? Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
How often do you use it to send a text
message to your wife?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Like?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
There's some times when I absolutely have to if I'm
kind of like on the move, you know, walking or
you know, if I if I have to get a
message off or I get a stop sign or some
stoplight or something, but not very often, Like I'm old school.
I mean, if I could, if I could write to
text right literally with it with a pencil or a
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pen I'd be the fool who did that.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I mean, the question is, softie, how many times do
you not use voice to send a message.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Well, there's two things. Number one and I want both
your takes on this chair ast with you. I feel
like we now know what it was like to live
ten thousand years ago when people used to communicate with
pictures and caves. By the way, because now we're doing
that with emojis. I mean, that's all emojis.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I literally just texted Jerry and emoji five minutes ago.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Like Jerry, they're just they're they're hieroglyphics for twenty twenty five.
I mean, how many text messages. I don't know how
old your oldest kid is, but how many text messages
do you get from you know, young people and they
don't even use words. They just send you pictures to
express whatever the hell they're thinking. That is hieroglyphics circa
twenty twenty five. And then number two. Every time I
use voice to text, it never works. I gotta go back,
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and I got I gotta, I gotta.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Write it all over again.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
And yeah, you still use it fricking iPhone can't understand
what the hell I'm talking about?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Jerry? Is it me? Or is it the phone?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah? Why do you even do it when you have
to edit it? It's twice the long to edit it
as it would to write it.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Unbelievable, man, terrible. Well, just do me a favor, use
your fingers, use your voice, use means necessary, and get
a message to Tyrese Halliburton and the Indiana Pacers please
to pull their heads out of their ass and get
it done in game six tomorrow. Jerry, we are forty
eight minutes away from Armageddon, a stain on America, a
(03:15):
stain on the NBA that will never be washed off.
If the thunder win this championship tomorrow night, I have
resigned myself to the inevitability that it's over, and I'm
wondering if you're doing the exact same thing.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah. Really, ever since they blew out Denver in Game
seven of the second round, I've been preparing myself for
the fact that they could win it. I just I
didn't think that Minnesota was going to put up a
much of a fight, and they didn't. I'm really impressed
with Indiana, but it just seems, it seems with Halliburton
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and this injury, now, I just don't know how they're
going to muster up enough to win both of the
next two. I wouldn't be surprised if they win on
Thursday night, but then I could just see him getting
blown out in game seven.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I mean, Jerry, that's the question is where does the
hope come from? Like for us here in Seattle and
for those in Indiana, Like, what do you write if
Haliburton can't go and that's what we're kind of starting
to see. Then where does the hope lie with the Pacers?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well as the hope would lie in Rick Carlisle. The
fact that he's won a championship before, and he's I
would say he's top five, top seven coach in the NBA,
and the way their system works. You know, they kind
of have an offense that you know, a lot of
people call their offense flow, but I call their offense
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flow with a capital S because I think they just
run a free flowing style better than anyone in the NBA.
And you saw how well McConnell played in the minutes
that he that he was given last night. So I
think for a game you could muster up enough to
extend the series and then you're putting a lot of
pressure on a young team at home in game seven
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as an overwhelming favorite coming in and then you just
see what happens in a game seven. I think that's
probably the road for them. But Carlisle is gonna have
to dial up something really cool. I mean, maybe they
just play crazy fast, but the problem is when you
play that way is the turnovers. And I mean Haliburton
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is if he's not number one and assist a turnover
every year. He's like number two or number three. And
if you're taking him, if you're putting him in a
situation in which he's a liability on the floor, you're
not going to be able to have him just as
a ball mover. He's not gonna score. He just I
mean the way he's moving. Unless he makes like six
(05:48):
seven threes and has one of those Isaiah Thomas against
the Lakers kind of games, I just don't see him
being much of a scoring threat. But can't he be
out there and move well enough for them to play
his own defense or something, just so that they don't
turn the ball over thirty times?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Well, maybe Sga, I'll slip on a wet spot and
pull his groin or something. There's the hope or whatever, right,
I mean, I'm not rooting for anything horrible. I mean,
you know what, Look, he wants to blow his knee out.
He'll recover, he'll be fine, But something like that, right,
you know, just go slip on a spot that wasn't
cleaned up by one of the kids out there and
pull all groin and maybe you can't go and maybe
(06:25):
che Holmgren, you know, gets into a fender bender and
he's just emotionally unstable and he can't play tonight or tomorrow.
That's the hope Jackson. But Jerry brewers with us and Jerry,
I want to go back to something you said a
week ago. I think it was when you said you
didn't like the way ESPN was talking about the NBA,
and we played a clip and fun with audio last
segment where steven A said that if Giannis does not
(06:45):
win another title, he's underachieved. And look, I mean that's
just obviously a matter of opinion. When you win a
championship that early in your career, I could see how
the bar would be raised tremendously. But Jay Williams called
him out on it on TV. I think it was
yesterday over his take. So when you say you don't
like the way ESPN talks about the NBA, expand on that.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
What do you mean? Yeah, I mean I think that
even when they're doing free and halftime show, it feels
like first take colon NBA Edition instead of it instead
of it. Like when I'm watching a game, I'm so
locked into the game. I want to know what's happening.
I need a player or just like someone who is
(07:26):
just great an analysis to explain to me why this
team is turning the ball over, explaining that fifteen to
four run to me, explain something that I don't know
because I'm lost in the game. I don't need to
hear about legacy and this guy needs to step up.
I can tell you when a guy is three four
eleven at halftime that he needs to step up. I
(07:46):
need to know like what the defense is doing to
influence him, right, Like, those are the kinds of things
I just think they're they're so obsessed with ratings on
what happens like during their daytime programming that they forget
that even though stephen A is the ESPN franchise, we
(08:07):
don't need stephen A breaking down games or not breaking
down games. He's sitting there playing Solitaire during the game,
and you see the video of that where he was
talking about he was doing it and a break in
the action, and the video actually showed that he was
doing it in the middle of the action. So like,
you're bored and all you're willing to talk about is
(08:27):
like three topics as loud as you possibly can. The
problem becomes then, like the NBA is really leaning into
all this parody, and with parody, you have a bunch
of teams and players that you don't really know, and
so you need your television partner to help educate the
fan base so that they might be interested in some
(08:51):
of these teams. And it's a different banana when you've
got the Lakers and Lebron all the time, or Steph
and the step Kerry and the Warriors all the time,
and all these known commodities. It's a lot different if
every year we're going to start to see one, if
not both teams be fresh faces. We can't have the
(09:12):
same conversations when you're actually introducing the world to these
teams as opposed to Lebron. Who I mean, how many
times with Lebron'm into the finals by eight and nine times?
So we know his story. It's a different when it's
a news story and they've done a terrible job telling
a new story in this playoffs, but specifically in these finals. Now,
(09:33):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Jerry Brewer again with us courtesy at Northwest Handling Systems,
joins us every Tuesday four right here on ninety three
three KJR And Jerry, I'm curious about you know your
thoughts on what's going on with the Mariners. You know,
Chuck was on with us on Friday from the Rainiers,
and I think his quote was there in a bad way.
And then they went out and they swept the Guardians
obviously just three games, but then lost last night in
a very twenty twenty four ish type of game. And
(09:56):
I looked it up before the show that the Mariner
record was Logan Gilbert, George Kirby, and Luis Castillo on
the mound. Since the start of last year, one hundred
and twenty two starts, they're fifty nine and sixty three
with those three guys on the mound. All three have
eras well under four and they're just not winning games
(10:18):
even with these starting pitchers. And you know, I told
Jackson in the first segment of the show to that
I'm just kind of worried about what this franchise is
doing right now with the way they're underachieving to the
future of their fan base, meaning they're giving young kids
a lot of reasons to just pick a new team
to roof for pal.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah. Man, that's that blows my mind, like that shades
of Felix. You know, I mean a lot of times
I feel like they have three Felixes, Iwakuma and Cliff
Lee for the fifteen starts that he made in Seattle,
all in their same rotation, and they're not getting it done.
They're really regressing to what they were before. Like the
(10:59):
offense was able to keep them afloat while all the
pitchers were hurt. Now they're back, and it likes, I mean,
we've been through the rotation once and like it really
feels like like those guys are ready to start putting
the innings together and being what they've always been. But
now the offense is like really in the tank. Your
(11:20):
bigger question having a thirteen year old and a nine
year old in the house and seeing and they are
Seattle kids and seeing how they're experiencing the Mariners and
other Seattle teams. You know, I'll watch it, you know
if the game the game is at least on in
the background every single night, and you know it's like, hey,
(11:43):
come come down and watch like four innings with me.
It's like I don't want to watch. They're gonna lose. Wow.
And so like that mentality concerns me. The mentality in
general of you know, when you have young children, they're
not in the sports like we were in the sports,
even though Dad as a sports writer and all this,
they're not most of them aren't as obsessed, you know,
(12:05):
as observers as we were. So all of those things,
like really do concern me that you have these moments, right,
Like I'm telling the man, you know, they've won seven
out of ten, they're really good. Let's sit down and
watch this game. You know, you sit down and watch
the game, and not only do they lose, but like
no action in the game, right, you know, which is
(12:26):
like the worst, right, Like it's one thing if you're
losing seven to six, and like it was all these
fireworks that keep them interested. But they're like, yeah, you
know they got they walk to guys, you know, first
and second, none out up, you know, out up, strikeout out.
They don't even like move the runner over, like and
then they're like, oh, I'm going to go do something else, Dad,
(12:49):
And I'm just sitting here, you know, on my butt
in the basement watching the game by myself. Right.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Well, Swarry, yesterday of five point thirty, Satie and I
got into a nice little debate with Dick over what
we saw the rough Devers trade. That's agreement by the way,
I mean really it did kind of raise to some
high levels because Dick was all saying, well, look at this,
You're gonna be end up paying Raphaeld Devers till Jerry
Depoto is ninety years old, and you know it would
be on John Stanton's books for the rest of his
life and all the money, money, money, money, money, and
(13:16):
Sophie were saying, yeah, but you know, if you have
to give up Emerson Hancock and look at what you
need on the offensive end. And I'm wondering where you
stand on on that deal with between Boston and San Francisco,
if the Mariners should have been on it, if they
should have offered a similar deal, and how much finances
play a role when you need such an offensive piece
like a Devors, you.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Know, in general, Jackson and I am just like this
unemotional observer of sports, right, and I have to cover everything,
but the fact that I watch the Mariners down there
every night and follow them even when I'm on the
road and can't watch them on television, like I want
to see them have nice things, you know, I see
(14:01):
a half of a great baseball team, maybe even sixty
percent of a great baseball team. And it really does
frustrate me more than just the average reporter when you
see a move like that and you can't even consider
whether the Mariners could have done that because it's just
totally off the books, and we have been conditioned that
(14:24):
they're not going to spend any money. They're not gonna
do this, They're not going to do that. We scrutinize
weird stuff like I never understand in sports while we're
concerned about the owner's wallets. Why you know, like you're
you're sitting here and you've been in the same mode
for like five years where you're sixty percent of the
(14:47):
way there. It's like, let's let's get it done and
who no one. I'll put it this, no one will
care about the remaining one hundred and fifty million dollars
on Rafael contract if he's the difference maker that gets
it done. And so that's what the giant. The Giants
are sitting there thinking, you know what, Hey, I'm not
(15:09):
gonna worry about what his contract is in twenty thirty one,
Like if we can get past the Dodgers and get
to another World Series or win the World Series, nobody's
gonna worry about this. And it's also baseball. You know,
everything is tradable in some way. You might have to
eat some of the money to trade it. You might
(15:29):
have to trade a prospect you really don't want to trade.
But all of these things are movable, and I wouldn't
be scared by numbers. I'm not scared off by anything.
I just want to see players. And I still look
at this lineup once again, and I know last week
I said there was you know, only two guys who
(15:50):
really scare you in that lineup, and one of them Julio,
who's been a bit of an underachiever at the plate,
at least not as an overall player at the plate.
I'll put a third one in there, okay, because JP
is headed to the All Star Game this year and
he deserves it and wonderful for him. That's still six
other spots in the in the lineup that don't I mean,
(16:13):
they they don't scare me at all. And so like
when I look at the Mariners, I look at him
and I'm like, your two good bats and one average
bat still away from being where you need to be.
Like that's what and that's why when they when they
go against like true championship teams, it's like really struggling
to get one out of the three or getting swept
(16:34):
or you know, all of these things, right like unless
and then we have the one moment against like the
Padres in which they play really well and then you
think it's on. But then like, uh, they come back
to the pack against bad teams. They have a regular
season problem, Like and we all hang on to this
dream of like if we could just get this rotation
(16:56):
to the postseason. Uh, they can't even get to the postseason.
And part of that is the fact that they just
haven't invested enough in the team. And once again, you
are sixty percent of the way there, and like, have
you ever like you ever like try to run like
a five k. We won't even say like a ten
k or a half or a marathon, No, but like
(17:18):
you're on a five k and you're but you're almost
to the end, and it's like do you really want
to like stop and eat and drink some water or
do you want to say that you finished it even
if you've got to walk, even if you've got to
crawl to the end. And I just don't see that
desire for them to get to the end of the race,
and that's really frustrating one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Man Well said, It's like I've always said, can you
imagine celebrating a World Series Championship Game seven in Seattle
Raphael Dever's game winning home run to win the World
Series for the first time, and you and I are
jumping up and down, going this is great. But what
are we doing about the thirty three million in two
thirty How are we going to handle that?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Jerry?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I mean, get out of here. Great stuff, dude, you're
the man we were the rest of the weekend. We'll
talk next Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Pitts Jerry.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
All right, all right, Jerry Brewer with us a lot there.
I want to respond to lots next on ninety three
three k J R F M.
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