November 4, 2025 • 18 mins
Jon Wilner of The San Jose Mercury News and Wilner Hotline joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about the College Football Playoff rankings, UW coming in at 23, the playoff expectations for the Huskies, Oregon, BYU, and other major games ahead.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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fifteen for fifteen percent off all of it. Well, here
he is the pope of the pack, the big ten
bearon himself now six and four after another win. Nice,
he took Nebraska plus the points against USC on Saturday.
Our friend Johnny Wilder, how are you man.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Go Huskers?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, you did well, we'll see if you take him again.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
By the way, we'll see we'll get the window, LORI,
and you're picking a matter of minutes.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
But we got the TV on up here.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
We got Greg McElroy and Joey Galloway, the former Seahawk,
waiting for the CFP rankings. And I don't know, I mean,
I guess we're expecting the Huskies to be ranked in
the top twenty five. How surprised would you be if
they were not in the top twenty five tonight?
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Well, first of all, keep me posted because I have
YouTube TV.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
So I got no idea.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
That'll text you my I'll text you my Fubo password.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
How's that?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (01:51):
I would think Washington would be. I'm gonna say.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
They got to be behind Michigan. That's the issue. Michigan
always gotta be behind USC.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
I would probably guess Huskies twenty three, twenty two.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Twenty three right in there.
Speaker 7 (02:08):
That's kind of where we are too, So we'll see,
you know, kind of big picture on the on the Dogs.
I was taking a look at you know, projected we're
gonna have a sixteen team playoff eventually, right not this year,
but very very soon, John, the Huskies would have made
five of the last eight sixteen team playoffs. What is
a reasonable expectation for the Huskies to have when that
goes to sixteen?
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Like?
Speaker 7 (02:29):
How often should we be expecting to make that sixteen
team playoff?
Speaker 6 (02:36):
Oh, that's a great question, and it gets into so
much too, because you have to account for you know,
rev share, and you've got to account for Washington's financial
situation and the impact that can have on the resource
allocation for football. I would say two out of every
four years would probably be reasonable too. Out every five
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maybe low end, but something right in there.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
I mean Washington is.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
I mean, if you're listing the Big Ten football programs
in order of you know, resource historical success recruiting, Washington
is I don't know, six ish, probably.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Right around there. That's pretty good.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
And if it's a sixteen team playoff and the Big
Ten is sending at minimum four probably five I would
think that two at every four years is probably reasonable
for the Huskies.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
And I mean, look, we're gonna get the rankings here
in just a minute. But they got a chance to
do something big. I mean, they got three really winnable
games with Wisconsin, Purdue, and UCLA before they end up
playing the Oregon Ducks and the final game of the
regular season. So you go nine to two with a
chance to make that Oregon game meaningful? Is this a
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playoff team? If they can run the table and finish
the season ten and two?
Speaker 6 (04:02):
In your mind, I think that they will have a
great chance if they're ten and two, And the thing
is that they won't be in the Big Ten championship game,
and that probably would help them because it avoids loss
number three.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Right, So they're ten and two, and in that scenario,
they're probably ahead of USC Raking.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
So would John rankings just came out there? Twenty third,
twenty third country?
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Okay, there we go perfectly fair. And I think that
if you would ask a Washington fan on August thirtieth, hey,
we're going to be twenty third in the first CFP release,
what ninety five percent would say?
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Okay? We'll take it, you know. So no, I don't think.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
There's any any room for complaint in Seattle the way
things have gone, And certainly if they went out, they
would have a great chance to get in. And also,
you know, the cherry on top is probably put Oregon
on the brink and not getting in.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Well, and we played a clip today from Bruce Feldman
Jackson was that from the Weekend? By the way, that
clip that you played it from a couple of days ago,
and I guess they're doing like a hot take thing
or whatever he said, Bruce Feldbman did. His prediction is
Oregon is not going to make the playoff, meaning they
lose to you dub, maybe they lose to Iowa. I mean,
I don't know, does it a ten and two Oregon
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team and a ten and two Washington team, do they
both make it or does one kick the other out
depending on who wins that game in Seattle.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
Yeah, I don't think both would make it. And the
other thing is Oregon's got to play USC so they've
got they have the hardest schedule, and I think that
was probably part of I haven't talked to Bruce, but
my guess is part of a sinking is Oregon between Washington,
USC and Iowa. You know, there's maybe two losses in there,
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certainly one and that's going to put or if Oregon
finishes nine and three, they're.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Out right same with the Huskies, right correct?
Speaker 6 (06:02):
If somehow they both end up ten and two, the
winner of the game at the end of the season
would have a huge eventche I mean, I would think
it'd be a no brainer.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
You take the winner of that game.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
Wow, how about the deree of difficulty for the next
three Husky games? I mean, each and each one in
a nutshell looks pretty easy, but you got to go
three and oh. So even if your percented chance of
winning is eighty percent of each one, it's tough to
go three and oh. Who who potentially could trip them up?
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Well, I think the US the UCLA game.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Is a little bit dangerous, more dangerous than it might
seem given UCLA's record. It will be their final home
game for their seniors because because they play USC in
the coliseum, So you know, for like Nico and those guys,
I think they would probably be pretty jacked up. And
they have pretty good players and they've got a good quarterback,
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So I think that will.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Be a dangerous game for Washington.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
And you know this game is is a little bit
of a trap. I look, the weather forecast is not
good and Wisconsin defense is pretty decent.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
So the big thing.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
If Washington can get to seventeen points, probably got a
good chance to win, certainly twenty the way Wisconsin's offense
has gone lately. But if it's rare, you know, if
it's winning and raining in Madison, that's gonna be hard.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Yeah, guys, So I'm just thinking out loud here. And
John Wilner again is with us on the radio show.
Courtesy is simply Seattle. So Husky's win six and seven
a year ago, they're six and two now. So they're
twelve and nine right under Jedfish in the twenty one
games he's coached here. They've got six games of the
twenty one, two against Wazoo, one against Colorado State, one
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against UC Davis, one against Weber and one against Eastern Michigan.
They're five and one in those six games, with the
one loss coming in the Apple Cup last year, right,
Dick in Seattle, So you're seven and eight in the
other games you've played yet here you are a year
and a half after Kalin de Moore blew up the
roster and you're.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Back in the top twenty five?
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Is this affirmation that they did the right thing by
moving to the Big ten? Because if they're a Pac
twelve team and there's seven and eight in the other
fifteen games they've played, are they.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Getting this kind of recognition right now?
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Probably they are gonna be seven and eight? Iff, I
mean how many what they've got a lost of Michigan
and a lost to.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Ohio State in there.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
Yes, you know, So I would argue that if they
had stayed in the Pac twelve, they wouldn't be seven
and eight in those fifteen games. They'd be nine and
six or ten and five, And they don't. They wouldn't
have the travel, they wouldn't have the nine am kickoffs,
they wouldn't have the Big tens offensive and defensive lines
to contend with. So I'm not sure it's apples and apples,
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but I do think that, yeah, you know, being in
the Big ten. Winning if you're in the Big ten
certainly helps you, but it's also harder to win.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
But can we to softeas point?
Speaker 7 (09:04):
Can we all agree now that it's easier to make
the playoffs out of the Big Ten than it would
have been if the PAC twelve stayed together.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
You know, we were there, because the whole thing would
be different. If the PAC twelve was still intact, The
playoffs setup would be completely different, and the Big ten
and the SEC would there would be more balanced within
the Power five. The format would be different, and I
would argue Washington would have a better chance. Now are
you talking about PAC twelve with USC and UCLA or
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the second version?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Second verse? The second version?
Speaker 6 (09:41):
Well, I mean in that case, Washington and Oregon would
be running the league, and you know, you could argue
that PAC twelve would have a decent chance of getting
two teams in every year.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Right John Wanners with us and John, we talked about
Wisconsin coming up this weekend. I mean, what what has
happened to that program?
Speaker 6 (09:59):
May?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I mean again, I'm not saying that Wisconsin's on par
with Ohio State and Penn State and Michigan, but you know,
they're they're a decent program and right now they're just
an absolute train wreck. They have no quarterback whatsoever to
speak of. They've got no skill players that anybody covets
at the next level, at all the fans aren't going
to games. I saw online last week before the buye
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tickets for the UDUB game against the Huskies are nine
dollars nine bucks to get in the door at Camp
Randall this weekend. What happened to Wisconsin football?
Speaker 6 (10:35):
The beer is more expensive at Camp Randall than the
it is ticket price.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
You're not exaggerating, that is a fact.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
No, No, I'm not. I'm not so.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
I think a couple of weeks one they have lost
their starting quarterback to a knee injury.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
I think it's three years in a row.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
But over and above that, they got away from what
made them really good for so many years, which was
the Barry Albarez system of getting NFL offensive line and
then NFL running back and just pounding teams in the submission.
And you know, I think they started to get away
from that a little bit under PAULK. Christ and then
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with Luke Fickle they had they just haven't gotten it back.
And also their nil game is terrible, and so they
don't They don't have the money to pay for players
as part of the problem, but a lot of it
is getting away from a system that worked for decades
and that was perfect for their the players that can
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recruit right Wisconsin, you can get three hundred pound offensive
linemen a lot easier than you can get dynamic receivers.
I mean, it's kind of like Utah with their recruiting pool,
and and it worked.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
It worked for years, and then they got away from it.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
John, since we's been talking a lot today about the
depth of the Big Ten, I've been meaning to ask you,
how close are we to that three versus six and
four versus five game in the conference that would determine
playoff berths? Is that a potential like next year thing.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
That was.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Pretty closely but not completely tied to the automatic bids
for the playoff?
Speaker 6 (12:11):
Right the Tony Petiti, the Big Ten commissioner, one of
the Big Ten, to have four automatic bids in the playoffs.
The two teams that play in the championship game would
both be in, and then you'd have three six, four
five to create you know, more interesting games and more
good TV, more TV dollars and TV ratings on championship weekend.
(12:32):
So if they don't if the if the automatic qualifier
model doesn't get adopted for the playoff, I'm not sure
that they're going to do it. Because then you're looking
at potentially eliminating both teams that are playing in the
three verse six if it's if it's in that large
situation and not an automatic bid.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Update on the rankings, by the way, Husky's twenty three.
The CFP rankings are coming out right now, Michigan twenty one,
Iowa twenty, USC nineteen. The Ducks are at number nine,
so obvious they were waiting on Ohio State Indiana to
see where they end up. But there'll be seven big
ten teams in the top twenty five when it's all
said and done.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Do you like it?
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Where's Notre Dame?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Notre Dame?
Speaker 4 (13:14):
God, I just had I think they're tenth if I'm
not mistaken, Okay, Yeah, let me time a big one. Yeah,
let me confirm that for you though in a minute.
But Oregon, Iowa, how risky a proposition is this for
the Ducks on Saturday in Iowa?
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Well preview here of the Windealorean. I think it's a
pretty big risk. Yeah, you know, the weather is supposed
to be bad in Iowa City as well, and they
played Indiana to a very close That was the closest
game Indiana's had by far. It was twenty to fifteen.
And you know, Iowa plays good defense. They actually can
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score a little bit this year. Right, they put on
thirty nine against Rutgers, kind of like what you dubbedd
I think that's that's gonna be a tough game for
the Ducks.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah. Yeah, by the way, Notre Dame is tenth, by
the way, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
That's a big one.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
Everybody's got to be rooting against Notre Dame because they
will suck up one of those seven at large berths
and that could be that could be the fourth Big
Ten bid right there.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
That could be Washington's bid.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
If Notre Dame gets in, it could be no Big
Ten four that gets bumped out.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Very easy for me to do. I've been rooting against
Notre Dame.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
For about a half a century, so that's very easy
for me to do. John rarely is the biggest game
of the college football weekend coming from the revamped Big twelve.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
But who do you like?
Speaker 7 (14:33):
And now number seven BYU and the new college Football
Ball against number eight Texas Tech.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Yeah, it's good for the Big twelve to get a
little bit of a little bit of love. Right, They
got game day and I think it's the Big Noon game,
or you know, it's A or maybe it's the ABC game.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Good for the Big.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
Twelve, huge game for the playoff for the Big twelve race.
I have been of the mindset that Texas Tech spent
that thirty million dollars very wisely, and their defense is
like would be a good SEC or Big ten defense,
And in the Big twelve it's a great defense. And
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BYU is very good, and you got to give them
credit for being resourceful and finding ways to win.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
But I kind of think they're going to be a
little bit overmatched.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, yeah, all right, well let's get to it.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Then.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
By the way, they just came out with Buckeye's number one,
Indiana number two. No surprise there, but there were some
folks that maybe thought that Indiana would climb up and
grab that number one spot.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Where I assume A and M three in Alabama four.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Correct, Yes, those are the four teams with the buy
Alabama against the winner of the Memphis Georgia game, Ohio
state winner of the Oregon Texas Tech Game, A and
M winner of Virginia Ole Miss and Indiana winner of
Notre Dame, and BYU for now, but speaking of winners.
Another big one for you, Matt Ruhle getting the cover
against USC at home on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
You're six and four on the EU year so far.
The Windelorean is.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Back on the proper path, John, to get to seven
and four in your first eleven games.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Who do you like this week?
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Yeah, and Nebraska covered even with losing their quarterback for
the second half. I will take Iowa and I think
am I getting six and a half?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yes? In that yes, correct, six and a half.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
I will take it.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
I think that they're you know, they're good, and it's
it's going to be tough in the in that weather.
I think for Dante Moore, we saw Oregon, you know
the Wisconsin game.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Oregon did not look very good.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
And the weather in Iowa City is going to be
a lot like the weather in Eugene, and the opponent
is going to be much much better.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Well if they if Oregon loses, they got it went
out and that means beating USC and U dub in
the final three games of the regular season for them
before the Big Ten championship game, so they would have
to win out. So, I mean the picture that you're
kind of painting is that Oregon could be done. If
they lose to Iowa this weekend. That could be the
first nail on the coffin for the Ducks. Man, So
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go hot guys. But Dick brought the question up earlier.
Our Husky fans kind of in a backwards way rooting
for Oregon to win to make that game more meaningful
after Thanksgiving? Or does it even matter if they're ten
and two with a win against a top twenty Oregon team.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Does it even matter where they're ranked? Are they in
no matter what at ten and two?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Or should we be rooting for the Ducks to be
as good as possible in that game?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Yeah? I actually wrote about this a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Washington Oregon need each other to win because they both
teams want the opponent to be as highly ranked as
possible in the season finale. So actually, Washington wants Oregon
to be Iowa because it's if it's close, and there
are many scenarios in which Washington is on the border.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
For that last spot or two.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
The more marquee the victory over Oregon, the better for
Washington's resume, all right, And.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
There's no other way to do it, Like we can't
get what we need by Notre Dame falling off or
something else.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
It's kind of like a special spot in hell for
the fans of both teams having to root for the other.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
God, I love it, all right, John, you're the man,
great stuff. We're talking a week.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Thanks, all right.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
John Wilner says Huskies should be rooting for Ducks and
Ducks should be rooting for Huskies.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Do we really believe that makes sense?
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Can?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Can we stomach that?
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Let's talk about it next on ninety three three KJRFM.
This is Duke of Duke Seafood.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
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FM, It's time for our weekly Pac twelve conversation with
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fifteen for fifteen percent off all of it. Well, here
he is the pope of the pack, the big ten
bearon himself now six and four after another win. Nice,
he took Nebraska plus the points against USC on Saturday.
Our friend Johnny Wilder, how are you man.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Go Huskers?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, you did well, we'll see if you take him again.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
By the way, we'll see we'll get the window, LORI,
and you're picking a matter of minutes.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
But we got the TV on up here.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
We got Greg McElroy and Joey Galloway, the former Seahawk,
waiting for the CFP rankings. And I don't know, I mean,
I guess we're expecting the Huskies to be ranked in
the top twenty five. How surprised would you be if
they were not in the top twenty five tonight?
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Well, first of all, keep me posted because I have
YouTube TV.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
So I got no idea.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
That'll text you my I'll text you my Fubo password.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
How's that?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (01:51):
I would think Washington would be. I'm gonna say.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
They got to be behind Michigan. That's the issue. Michigan
always gotta be behind USC.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
I would probably guess Huskies twenty three, twenty two.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Twenty three right in there.
Speaker 7 (02:08):
That's kind of where we are too, So we'll see,
you know, kind of big picture on the on the Dogs.
I was taking a look at you know, projected we're
gonna have a sixteen team playoff eventually, right not this year,
but very very soon, John, the Huskies would have made
five of the last eight sixteen team playoffs. What is
a reasonable expectation for the Huskies to have when that
goes to sixteen?
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Like?
Speaker 7 (02:29):
How often should we be expecting to make that sixteen
team playoff?
Speaker 6 (02:36):
Oh, that's a great question, and it gets into so
much too, because you have to account for you know,
rev share, and you've got to account for Washington's financial
situation and the impact that can have on the resource
allocation for football. I would say two out of every
four years would probably be reasonable too. Out every five
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maybe low end, but something right in there.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
I mean Washington is.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
I mean, if you're listing the Big Ten football programs
in order of you know, resource historical success recruiting, Washington
is I don't know, six ish, probably.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Right around there. That's pretty good.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
And if it's a sixteen team playoff and the Big
Ten is sending at minimum four probably five I would
think that two at every four years is probably reasonable
for the Huskies.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
And I mean, look, we're gonna get the rankings here
in just a minute. But they got a chance to
do something big. I mean, they got three really winnable
games with Wisconsin, Purdue, and UCLA before they end up
playing the Oregon Ducks and the final game of the
regular season. So you go nine to two with a
chance to make that Oregon game meaningful? Is this a
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playoff team? If they can run the table and finish
the season ten and two?
Speaker 6 (04:02):
In your mind, I think that they will have a
great chance if they're ten and two, And the thing
is that they won't be in the Big Ten championship game,
and that probably would help them because it avoids loss
number three.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Right, So they're ten and two, and in that scenario,
they're probably ahead of USC Raking.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
So would John rankings just came out there? Twenty third,
twenty third country?
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Okay, there we go perfectly fair. And I think that
if you would ask a Washington fan on August thirtieth, hey,
we're going to be twenty third in the first CFP release,
what ninety five percent would say?
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Okay? We'll take it, you know. So no, I don't think.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
There's any any room for complaint in Seattle the way
things have gone, And certainly if they went out, they
would have a great chance to get in. And also,
you know, the cherry on top is probably put Oregon
on the brink and not getting in.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Well, and we played a clip today from Bruce Feldman
Jackson was that from the Weekend? By the way, that
clip that you played it from a couple of days ago,
and I guess they're doing like a hot take thing
or whatever he said, Bruce Feldbman did. His prediction is
Oregon is not going to make the playoff, meaning they
lose to you dub, maybe they lose to Iowa. I mean,
I don't know, does it a ten and two Oregon
(05:24):
team and a ten and two Washington team, do they
both make it or does one kick the other out
depending on who wins that game in Seattle.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
Yeah, I don't think both would make it. And the
other thing is Oregon's got to play USC so they've
got they have the hardest schedule, and I think that
was probably part of I haven't talked to Bruce, but
my guess is part of a sinking is Oregon between Washington,
USC and Iowa. You know, there's maybe two losses in there,
(05:54):
certainly one and that's going to put or if Oregon
finishes nine and three, they're.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Out right same with the Huskies, right correct?
Speaker 6 (06:02):
If somehow they both end up ten and two, the
winner of the game at the end of the season
would have a huge eventche I mean, I would think
it'd be a no brainer.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
You take the winner of that game.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
Wow, how about the deree of difficulty for the next
three Husky games? I mean, each and each one in
a nutshell looks pretty easy, but you got to go
three and oh. So even if your percented chance of
winning is eighty percent of each one, it's tough to
go three and oh. Who who potentially could trip them up?
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Well, I think the US the UCLA game.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Is a little bit dangerous, more dangerous than it might
seem given UCLA's record. It will be their final home
game for their seniors because because they play USC in
the coliseum, So you know, for like Nico and those guys,
I think they would probably be pretty jacked up. And
they have pretty good players and they've got a good quarterback,
(06:55):
So I think that will.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Be a dangerous game for Washington.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
And you know this game is is a little bit
of a trap. I look, the weather forecast is not
good and Wisconsin defense is pretty decent.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
So the big thing.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
If Washington can get to seventeen points, probably got a
good chance to win, certainly twenty the way Wisconsin's offense
has gone lately. But if it's rare, you know, if
it's winning and raining in Madison, that's gonna be hard.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Yeah, guys, So I'm just thinking out loud here. And
John Wilner again is with us on the radio show.
Courtesy is simply Seattle. So Husky's win six and seven
a year ago, they're six and two now. So they're
twelve and nine right under Jedfish in the twenty one
games he's coached here. They've got six games of the
twenty one, two against Wazoo, one against Colorado State, one
(07:44):
against UC Davis, one against Weber and one against Eastern Michigan.
They're five and one in those six games, with the
one loss coming in the Apple Cup last year, right,
Dick in Seattle, So you're seven and eight in the
other games you've played yet here you are a year
and a half after Kalin de Moore blew up the
roster and you're.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Back in the top twenty five?
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Is this affirmation that they did the right thing by
moving to the Big ten? Because if they're a Pac
twelve team and there's seven and eight in the other
fifteen games they've played, are they.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Getting this kind of recognition right now?
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Probably they are gonna be seven and eight? Iff, I
mean how many what they've got a lost of Michigan
and a lost to.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Ohio State in there.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
Yes, you know, So I would argue that if they
had stayed in the Pac twelve, they wouldn't be seven
and eight in those fifteen games. They'd be nine and
six or ten and five, And they don't. They wouldn't
have the travel, they wouldn't have the nine am kickoffs,
they wouldn't have the Big tens offensive and defensive lines
to contend with. So I'm not sure it's apples and apples,
(08:54):
but I do think that, yeah, you know, being in
the Big ten. Winning if you're in the Big ten
certainly helps you, but it's also harder to win.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
But can we to softeas point?
Speaker 7 (09:04):
Can we all agree now that it's easier to make
the playoffs out of the Big Ten than it would
have been if the PAC twelve stayed together.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
You know, we were there, because the whole thing would
be different. If the PAC twelve was still intact, The
playoffs setup would be completely different, and the Big ten
and the SEC would there would be more balanced within
the Power five. The format would be different, and I
would argue Washington would have a better chance. Now are
you talking about PAC twelve with USC and UCLA or
(09:36):
the second version?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Second verse? The second version?
Speaker 6 (09:41):
Well, I mean in that case, Washington and Oregon would
be running the league, and you know, you could argue
that PAC twelve would have a decent chance of getting
two teams in every year.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Right John Wanners with us and John, we talked about
Wisconsin coming up this weekend. I mean, what what has
happened to that program?
Speaker 6 (09:59):
May?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I mean again, I'm not saying that Wisconsin's on par
with Ohio State and Penn State and Michigan, but you know,
they're they're a decent program and right now they're just
an absolute train wreck. They have no quarterback whatsoever to
speak of. They've got no skill players that anybody covets
at the next level, at all the fans aren't going
to games. I saw online last week before the buye
(10:23):
tickets for the UDUB game against the Huskies are nine
dollars nine bucks to get in the door at Camp
Randall this weekend. What happened to Wisconsin football?
Speaker 6 (10:35):
The beer is more expensive at Camp Randall than the
it is ticket price.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
You're not exaggerating, that is a fact.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
No, No, I'm not. I'm not so.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
I think a couple of weeks one they have lost
their starting quarterback to a knee injury.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
I think it's three years in a row.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
But over and above that, they got away from what
made them really good for so many years, which was
the Barry Albarez system of getting NFL offensive line and
then NFL running back and just pounding teams in the submission.
And you know, I think they started to get away
from that a little bit under PAULK. Christ and then
(11:11):
with Luke Fickle they had they just haven't gotten it back.
And also their nil game is terrible, and so they
don't They don't have the money to pay for players
as part of the problem, but a lot of it
is getting away from a system that worked for decades
and that was perfect for their the players that can
(11:32):
recruit right Wisconsin, you can get three hundred pound offensive
linemen a lot easier than you can get dynamic receivers.
I mean, it's kind of like Utah with their recruiting pool,
and and it worked.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
It worked for years, and then they got away from it.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
John, since we's been talking a lot today about the
depth of the Big Ten, I've been meaning to ask you,
how close are we to that three versus six and
four versus five game in the conference that would determine
playoff berths? Is that a potential like next year thing.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
That was.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Pretty closely but not completely tied to the automatic bids
for the playoff?
Speaker 6 (12:11):
Right the Tony Petiti, the Big Ten commissioner, one of
the Big Ten, to have four automatic bids in the playoffs.
The two teams that play in the championship game would
both be in, and then you'd have three six, four
five to create you know, more interesting games and more
good TV, more TV dollars and TV ratings on championship weekend.
(12:32):
So if they don't if the if the automatic qualifier
model doesn't get adopted for the playoff, I'm not sure
that they're going to do it. Because then you're looking
at potentially eliminating both teams that are playing in the
three verse six if it's if it's in that large
situation and not an automatic bid.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Update on the rankings, by the way, Husky's twenty three.
The CFP rankings are coming out right now, Michigan twenty one,
Iowa twenty, USC nineteen. The Ducks are at number nine,
so obvious they were waiting on Ohio State Indiana to
see where they end up. But there'll be seven big
ten teams in the top twenty five when it's all
said and done.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Do you like it?
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Where's Notre Dame?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Notre Dame?
Speaker 4 (13:14):
God, I just had I think they're tenth if I'm
not mistaken, Okay, Yeah, let me time a big one. Yeah,
let me confirm that for you though in a minute.
But Oregon, Iowa, how risky a proposition is this for
the Ducks on Saturday in Iowa?
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Well preview here of the Windealorean. I think it's a
pretty big risk. Yeah, you know, the weather is supposed
to be bad in Iowa City as well, and they
played Indiana to a very close That was the closest
game Indiana's had by far. It was twenty to fifteen.
And you know, Iowa plays good defense. They actually can
(13:50):
score a little bit this year. Right, they put on
thirty nine against Rutgers, kind of like what you dubbedd
I think that's that's gonna be a tough game for
the Ducks.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah. Yeah, by the way, Notre Dame is tenth, by
the way, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
That's a big one.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
Everybody's got to be rooting against Notre Dame because they
will suck up one of those seven at large berths
and that could be that could be the fourth Big
Ten bid right there.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
That could be Washington's bid.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
If Notre Dame gets in, it could be no Big
Ten four that gets bumped out.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Very easy for me to do. I've been rooting against
Notre Dame.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
For about a half a century, so that's very easy
for me to do. John rarely is the biggest game
of the college football weekend coming from the revamped Big twelve.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
But who do you like?
Speaker 7 (14:33):
And now number seven BYU and the new college Football
Ball against number eight Texas Tech.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Yeah, it's good for the Big twelve to get a
little bit of a little bit of love. Right, They
got game day and I think it's the Big Noon game,
or you know, it's A or maybe it's the ABC game.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Good for the Big.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
Twelve, huge game for the playoff for the Big twelve race.
I have been of the mindset that Texas Tech spent
that thirty million dollars very wisely, and their defense is
like would be a good SEC or Big ten defense,
And in the Big twelve it's a great defense. And
(15:12):
BYU is very good, and you got to give them
credit for being resourceful and finding ways to win.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
But I kind of think they're going to be a
little bit overmatched.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, yeah, all right, well let's get to it.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Then.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
By the way, they just came out with Buckeye's number one,
Indiana number two. No surprise there, but there were some
folks that maybe thought that Indiana would climb up and
grab that number one spot.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Where I assume A and M three in Alabama four.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Correct, Yes, those are the four teams with the buy
Alabama against the winner of the Memphis Georgia game, Ohio
state winner of the Oregon Texas Tech Game, A and
M winner of Virginia Ole Miss and Indiana winner of
Notre Dame, and BYU for now, but speaking of winners.
Another big one for you, Matt Ruhle getting the cover
against USC at home on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
You're six and four on the EU year so far.
The Windelorean is.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Back on the proper path, John, to get to seven
and four in your first eleven games.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Who do you like this week?
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Yeah, and Nebraska covered even with losing their quarterback for
the second half. I will take Iowa and I think
am I getting six and a half?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yes? In that yes, correct, six and a half.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
I will take it.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
I think that they're you know, they're good, and it's
it's going to be tough in the in that weather.
I think for Dante Moore, we saw Oregon, you know
the Wisconsin game.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Oregon did not look very good.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
And the weather in Iowa City is going to be
a lot like the weather in Eugene, and the opponent
is going to be much much better.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Well if they if Oregon loses, they got it went
out and that means beating USC and U dub in
the final three games of the regular season for them
before the Big Ten championship game, so they would have
to win out. So, I mean the picture that you're
kind of painting is that Oregon could be done. If
they lose to Iowa this weekend. That could be the
first nail on the coffin for the Ducks. Man, So
(17:02):
go hot guys. But Dick brought the question up earlier.
Our Husky fans kind of in a backwards way rooting
for Oregon to win to make that game more meaningful
after Thanksgiving? Or does it even matter if they're ten
and two with a win against a top twenty Oregon team.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Does it even matter where they're ranked? Are they in
no matter what at ten and two?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Or should we be rooting for the Ducks to be
as good as possible in that game?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Yeah? I actually wrote about this a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Washington Oregon need each other to win because they both
teams want the opponent to be as highly ranked as
possible in the season finale. So actually, Washington wants Oregon
to be Iowa because it's if it's close, and there
are many scenarios in which Washington is on the border.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
For that last spot or two.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
The more marquee the victory over Oregon, the better for
Washington's resume, all right, And.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
There's no other way to do it, Like we can't
get what we need by Notre Dame falling off or
something else.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
It's kind of like a special spot in hell for
the fans of both teams having to root for the other.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
God, I love it, all right, John, you're the man,
great stuff. We're talking a week.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Thanks, all right.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
John Wilner says Huskies should be rooting for Ducks and
Ducks should be rooting for Huskies.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Do we really believe that makes sense?
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Can?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Can we stomach that?
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Let's talk about it next on ninety three three KJRFM.
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