November 25, 2025 • 20 mins
Jon Wilner of The San Jose Mercury News and Wilner Hotline joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about the latest College Football Playoff rankings, Oregon’s spot, the Dawgs-Ducks game this weekend, Jedd Fisch’s future, USC’s situation and his pick.
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Speaker 4 (00:38):
The CFP rankings I believe are out already. I think
they've been officially released. Ohio State, Indiana, A and M Georgia,
Texas Tech Oregon comes at number six. Ole Miss and
Wane Kiffin, who could be the next head coach at
Florida or the next head coach at LSU at number seven.
Oklahoma eight, Notre Dame nine, Alabama, number ten. Washington not
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ranked by the way, for those keeping an eye on
the CFP Playoff rankings at eight and three. Arizona, though
is ranked at eight and three. Old team is there?
A ESU is there at number twenty USC number seventeen
after their loss to Oregon, joining us right now on
the radio show The Pope of the Pack the Big
ten baron our friend Johnny Wilner, Johnny, how are you pale?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Good? Thanks?
Speaker 6 (01:25):
Hey, you guys good.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I know a lot of Husky fans were kind of curious.
I mean, I'll be honest with you. I don't really
care if the Huskies are ranked or not at this point.
But should fans care if the Huskies are ranked? And
should they have been ranked in this current version of
the CFP.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
You can make a case that they should be one
of the last couple in or the last couple out.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
That's kind of how I view it. Does it matter?
Speaker 7 (01:50):
You know, it may matters a little bit recruiting fan interest.
It's always better to have a number by your name
than having no number by your name.
Speaker 8 (02:00):
The expansion deadline john for the twenty twenty six College
Football Playoff was supposed to be coming up, and now
it's been pushed back to what sometime in January.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
So what does that tell you, if anything?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Oh boy, what a mess, and it's such an important
event and it's just such a mess.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
So they did have until December first to notify ESPN
if they wanted to expand the playoff.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
The Big Ten and the SEC are at loggerheads.
Speaker 7 (02:31):
They have then asked for this extension to January twenty third,
so a couple of days after the championship game, to
see if they could come to some resolution.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
They're not going to, at least not for next fall.
Speaker 7 (02:48):
So the question really is there's like a ten percent
chance that they could go to a sixteen team event
for next fall, But more likely is they are talking
about what it's going to look like in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Will it be sixteen, will it be twenty four?
Speaker 7 (03:04):
The Big Ten is now pushing a twenty four team
field in which the Big all the power conferences would
get four guaranteed bids each. So it's just more of
the same lack of leadership, competing interests, everybody being territorial.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Yeah, and at stake? Is this really this thing that
really matters so much to the sport?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Right well?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Speaking of the playoff, Oregon up one spot from number
six to number five. It's hard to imagine a team
that's ten and one and number five in the country
right now missing the playoff. If Oregon loses to Washington,
will they miss the playoff?
Speaker 7 (03:43):
I think it depends on what else happens, because everything
is done, you know, nothing is done in a vacuum.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
What happens.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
If Texas Tech loses the Big twelve Championship, then they're
probably gonna get in.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
What happens If you know Miami Beach pitt they may
get in. Notre Dame may get in. The SEC is
gonna have.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
At four maybe five teams? What if Michigan beats Ohio State?
Hard to keep Michigan out with two losses? So I
actually no matter where Oregon is right now, five six seven,
if they lose Saturday, I think that they're in significant trouble.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
How concerns should they be and what type of game
do we see? You think?
Speaker 7 (04:28):
I think their concern level with a loss should be
pretty high because they're gonna end up.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
If that's the case, Oregon's gonna finish well. I don't know.
I assume it's not ranked. I haven't seen the rankings today.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
I assume I was not ranked, which means if that stays,
Oregon would have one win.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Over a ranked team. That's right.
Speaker 7 (04:46):
They have two losses, and that's not that's not a
great that's not a great formula for getting in. If
you've got to deal with the Michigan team that's beating
Ohio State and a Texas Tech team that has lost
the Big Twelve championship.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
So they should they should be on high alert.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
I think they're playing it's somewhat of an elimination game
for them, and that's you know, helps Washington's motivation as well.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, I was not ranked. And here's the thing for Oregon.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
You would think that they kind of would have wanted
Washington to be ranked so they can say they have
another win. I mean if they if they lose this game,
they're losing to an unranked football team. I mean, they
could fall from six to maybe twelfth or thirteenth. Then
we'd be ranked after that. Yeah, you double would. But
Oregon would fall tremendously. They could fall six or seven
spots and and and fall out. But when Dick asked
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about how concerned Oregon should be, no doubt they should
be concerned. If they lose the game. How concerned should
they be that they will lose the game on Saturday?
Speaker 7 (05:44):
I mean, I think that that spread is pretty good.
You know, it's it's they are favored for a good reason.
But if this is not going to be a cakewalk
kind of a deal, so I think they should be
pretty worried. Washington's played well at home, and if I'm Oregon,
I am not looking at this as you know, a
game we're gonna win. If we don't play our a
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game we're gonna win. I don't think that's the case.
I think they do need to bring their a game, John.
Speaker 8 (06:12):
I kind of think this game is gonna be a
defensive battle. If I were to rank the units, I
would rank Oregon's D in Washington's D ahead of Oregon
zoo in Washington.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
Z Oh.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Do you see it like that? Or do you think
we're gonna get to a team or two into the thirties?
Speaker 8 (06:29):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Yeah, I think that thirty is gonna win the game.
I kind of agree with you there.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Uh so which team has a better chance to get thirty?
M Probably Oregon? Yeah, I actually think I I'm not
sure Washington's gonna get twenty to be honest. So in
that regard, I think Oregon, you know, I see something
like twenty seven to twenty to me, seems like.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
A pretty good score, a pretty realistic score.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Well, here's the thing about you, Dub, for me, is
that they just haven't proven that they can function offensively
the way they want to against the legitimate defense. They
haven't done it yet, right, I mean, and and maybe
they're ready now to do it. Maybe there's something in
the water where Game twelve will be the game where
they pop. Maybe they get some help on special teams,
you know, Denzel Boston's return, all that stuff. But I
think you're right that this is gonna be maybe a
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little bit of a lower scoring game. But like, who
on Oregon really would scare I know they have a
lot of good players, but they don't seem to have
the high end stars that they had a year ago
or even two years ago.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
On that team.
Speaker 7 (07:34):
They got one guy, if I'm Washington, that I'm scared of,
and that's Kenyon Sadik, the tight end.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Right.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
The guys a freak athlete. They are, you know, kind
of decimated at receiver. They're without their top three guys. Now,
I don't know if Decorian Moore and Gary Bryen are playing,
I'm kind of assuming they're not. And they're also they've
been missing Evan Stewart the whole season. He was gonna
be their number one receiver. But Ken is very difficult
matchup and he you know, he was he killed u
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USC and you combine him with that running game and
you could you can kind of map out a way
that Oregon gets into the mid twenties, especially if the
Huskies commit a turnover or a mistake on special teams.
Speaker 8 (08:17):
John Dante Moore was a Heisman favorite after the first
month of the season and then you know, October he
cools off. He's kind of bounced back. What do you
make of his season overall? And what type of player
are we going to see?
Speaker 5 (08:30):
For?
Speaker 8 (08:30):
For Husky fans that really haven't paid much attention to
Oregon football this year because they just don't want to
watch him on TV, what kind of quarterback are we
going to see?
Speaker 7 (08:38):
Well, the guy has got a ton of arm talent,
you know, like I think he's he might not.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Be Michael Panics in terms of arm talent, but he
is very very good.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
He's not super consistent, he you know, he's not that
experienced and and I think that the fact he's without
a lot of weapons, they've done a good job not
putting him in position where he can make game losing mistakes.
They lean into their running game, and don't you know,
he in some ways he's more trailer than tractor, but
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he does have got a ton of armtown. He can
make any pass on the field. If I'm Orgon, if
I'm Washington and I'm doubling up Sadik, then I'm feeling
pretty good that they're not gonna maybe kill me in
the pass game.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
But then you've got to worry about the run game.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Well, and then yeah, that's where Oregon may have a
bit of an advantage.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I mean, they're eighth in the country and rushing offense,
Huskies are fifty seventh, which is a disappointment I think
for you, Dub. But they're gonna have three guys ready
in Coleman, Washington, and Muhammad on Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
But here's the other side of that, coin Man.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
You know, we mentioned U Dub's offense struggles against good Deed.
Oregon played Iowa, which is the number in eight defense
in college football, and they were held to eighteen, they
played Wisconsin, who's a top fifty defense, and they were
held to twenty one. This might be the second or
third best defense at Oregon is scene all year long,
so I'm really curious to see how they do. But
you know, I got an email today, as I know
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a lot of people did, from Bovada, who now has
Jedfish as the favorite to land the Florida job, assuming
they think Lane Kiffen takes the LSU job. They got
Jedfish as the one to one favorite. Now, so my
question to you is this, if Jed wins this game
on Saturday, what does that do to his marketability across
the country and his attractiveness to a place like Florida.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
I think it helps him a lot.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
Beaten a top five, top six team that's playoff bound
in his second year of what is viewed as a pretty.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Significant rebuilding job. I think it does a lot for him.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
It certainly helps Florida's administration sell him. See, they're going
to be in a tough spot because everybody in Gainesville
wants Lane Kiffin, and if they miss on Kiffen, there
are very few people that they can sell to the
fans that are going to generate some excitement bringing home
and a lum who turned her around Arizona and has
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gone and turned around Washington.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
In two years and just beaten Oregon.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
They can sell that, So I could see that now,
if you're a Washington fan and your your choice is
we beat Oregon and lose Fish or we lose to
Oregon and keep Fish, what do you want?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
That's the question.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Satie's been asking that exact question everybody.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So what do you want?
Speaker 6 (11:22):
Yeah, what would you want? If you were a Husky fan?
Which would you prefer?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (11:30):
Yeah, I'm not sure. And that's pretty telling that I'm
not sure.
Speaker 8 (11:34):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
I think you probably want to beat Oregon.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
To be honest, I think you would have to have
faith in your ad Pat Chun to go hire a coach.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
And I'm sure Pat Shun's got anybody.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
Who is the ad for Jedfish has got a short
list of coaches in their back pocket all the time,
because Fish is known as a guy.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Who could leap leave.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
So I think you trust Fish, trust Sean that he
could hire somebody, and you get the bump with your
constituents for beating Oregon that you need for.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Nil for a revenue share all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 8 (12:13):
It was really close for me, John, I did though
see a Husky team. I do see a Husky team
that is a legitimate college football playoff contender next year
with a third year quarterback.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
I kind of want to see that play out.
Speaker 8 (12:28):
And then let Jed go wherever he wants to go,
because he'll be a super How commodity, am I over
selling what this Husky team can be next year?
Speaker 7 (12:37):
I don't think you're over selling what Washington could be.
I think you're under selling what can happen with the portal.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
And they could come up. They could, you know, come
up with a.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
Better quarterback than Demm Williams in the portal, and you
know a bunch of good linemen and playmakers.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
You could just rebuild so quickly.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
I mean just Indiana is a great example, right, But
there's other examples. So I would say that don't certainly
sites should be high for the Huskies next year, like
nine wins minimum if everybody comes back. But also I
don't think that you could rule out nine wins if
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there's a coaching change because of the portal.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
John Wilners with us on the radio show John The
Loss by Lincoln Riley to Oregon last week. I saw
a stat where he now has I think it's fifty
one games. If I'm not mistaken, it might be forty one.
But whatever the number is, it's the exact same record
that Clay Helton had at this point in time of
his USC career. So, I mean, it just seems like
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every off season we're talking about Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Is this the year?
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Is this the year? Is this the year? The buyouts?
This the buyouts that? Well?
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Is this the year where Jen Cohen finally has no
choice but to pull the plug on this guy?
Speaker 5 (13:53):
I don't think so.
Speaker 7 (13:55):
You know, if they beat UCLA and they're favored by
I think three touchdowns, they're gonna be No.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Three. And I just can't see them making a move.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
If they've gone from seven to five last year to
nine and three and his buyout is still right about
eighty million, I just don't think that they will make
a move. I think next year would would be the
big year. Here's another stat. Indiana has been to the
playoff twice. USC has been in the playoff no times.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Wow, that's been incredible.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah. Well how about this?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
How about this for a little brainbuster, The former California
quarterback is about to win the Heisman Trophy in Indiana
and the former Indiana quarterback took you dub to the
National Championship Game and almost won the Heisman Trophy. Indiana
is the epicenter of the college football universe right now, John.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
But that tells you what it's like now with the
portal and how Washington. You know, and I know they
were decimated after Deboor left, but I would argue that
fish leaving would not have the same impact on the
roster that de boor leaving did. Why Because I don't
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think that they will have attained as much, right and
they're not.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Making the National Championship Game. They're not gonna have as
many guys leave for the NFL, and I don't think.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
I just think that there's more guys who would wait
and see what happens stick around. And the other piece
of it is the portal timing is now January second, right.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
So you people, the recruits or the players.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
Would have time to see who they're gonna hire before
they got to get into the portal.
Speaker 8 (15:28):
You mentioned thirty wins the game of mont League. What
wins the game in the Big House?
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Twenty?
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Who? Yeah, probably.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
And I also, I think I've heard that there's gonna
be snow in ann Arbor, so I mean it may
be seventeen. But yeah, that Michigan very good defense. Ohio
States defense is lights out statistically, it's the best in years.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
They're all having seven points a game.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
I think it's gonna be seventeen, fourteen, fourteen, ten, something
like that.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Under's a great look.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Great, yeah, John, I want to cheat a little bit
with the with the games this weekend. We don't normally
talk a lot of Pac twelve. Number one, there's only
two teams left in Oregon State and Wazoo and number two.
You got way too much on your plate with the
Big ten obviously going on.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
But man, Wazoo.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I was disappointed they lost that first game in Corvallis,
and I was thinking, for the last month and a half,
whatever the line is, I'm gonna jump all over to
Cougar's in this game they're given thirteen and a half
at home against Oregon State. Is that is that too
many a thing to jump on the Cougs this weekend.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
I was a little surprised it was that much.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
To be honest, I would be hesitant because their offense
hasn't been great and they re Oregon State's game plan
against Washington State in.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Corvallas was very good. I would assume that they're going
to go back to that.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
You know, the Cougars didn't score a ton of James Madison.
I think that's too much. You can kind of figure
on Washington State getting twenty to twenty three. Could and
can the Beavers score ten? I think there's a pretty
good chance that they cannot. If it were ten or eleven,
I would feel better about the Cougars, But thirteen and
a half's a lot.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Well, how about Oregon State and their new head coach?
Justin Wilcox just got fired a cal Is he now
at the front of the line to replace what's his nuts?
That just got whacked? What's the guy's name he got fired?
In you very much? I actually thought his name was
what's his nuts? All too? That's interesting too, Nick Rolovin
should California? Is this a tryout for him for that gig?
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And how about Wilcox at Oregon State?
Speaker 7 (17:36):
Well, I think it's interesting in Wilcox, I'm just not
sure he's gonna get like ten million bucks from cal
I don't know if he wants to jump back in.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
There now. He is from.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
Oregon, right, he grew up like halfway between I think Corvallis.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
And Eugene Uh.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
I think it might be too soon to be honest
with him. Rollovich is an interesting case. I think Oregon
State should have go after Rolovich. They talked to him
and decided to go in a different direction. The thing
about Rolovich at Cal is he is very tight with
Jared Kiowai Sangapola Telly, who is the quarterback Cal is
desperate to keep and everybody wants because the guy is
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a phenomenal as a freshman and he is very close
with Rolovich, the kids from Hawaii. Rolovic has got a
big background in Hawaii.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Coach there.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
Keeping Rolovich either as the head coach unlikely, but maybe
as the offensive coordinator I think would help Cal keep
the quarterback and he might be the hottest quarterback on
the market.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
This this transfer cycle.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Got it all right, John, Before you go, speaking of hot,
you are red freaking hot nine to four on the
air so far this year.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You have now won four in a row, five and
one in your last six.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
You nailed Arizona just kicking a snot at a Baylor
on Saturday. Let's make it ten and four. What a
run that would be in the regular season. To go
ten and four over fourteen weeks, you're a win away,
my friend, who do you like this weekend?
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Does the nine to four record get trigger my rollover
contracts so I can come back next year.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
As long as Dick and I are betting, and it
triggers whatever the hell you want? Free dinner, there's some
pizza sent to the house, college tuition for the kid, whatever,
So let's make it ten and four.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Go for it.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
I am actually gonna pick the Ducks, and it's strictly
because the number I saw was six and a half,
and I think that's a big half a point. As
we talked about earlier, if it were seven and a half,
I probably would stay away.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
I feel compelled to pick that game.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
It's such a huge game in the Pacific Northwest and
on the West Coast, and I love the rivalry.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I feel compelled to pick it.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
And with that number, I think Oregon is a slightly
better bet than the Huskies.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
I love it Oregon minus the six and a half.
You can play the emotional heads, you play the Ducks,
you win some money, but play the money line though.
If they don't win, then you get to win by
the dogs and you're happy either way.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Man.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Really, in the end, John, it's about making me happy,
which is the point of this entire thing.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
So thanks, true.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Although I do think you guys had a great point.
And I don't know what the total is, but the
under might be a good bet.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Yeah, fifty one and a half, John, That's that was
my picture.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Yeah, alright, that's a lot.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
That's a lot, Harley the Ducks in the under and
really walk away with some dough. All right, John, listener,
you have a great Thanksgiving on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Man, appreciate you more than you know. And we're talking
a week Buddy Son.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Thanks guys, sand you you enjoy the game.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
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Paul Allen, the voice of the Minnesota Vikings. What does
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Speaker 1 (20:41):
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Speaker 4 (20:43):
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Speaker 4 (00:38):
The CFP rankings I believe are out already. I think
they've been officially released. Ohio State, Indiana, A and M Georgia,
Texas Tech Oregon comes at number six. Ole Miss and
Wane Kiffin, who could be the next head coach at
Florida or the next head coach at LSU at number seven.
Oklahoma eight, Notre Dame nine, Alabama, number ten. Washington not
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ranked by the way, for those keeping an eye on
the CFP Playoff rankings at eight and three. Arizona, though
is ranked at eight and three. Old team is there?
A ESU is there at number twenty USC number seventeen
after their loss to Oregon, joining us right now on
the radio show The Pope of the Pack the Big
ten baron our friend Johnny Wilner, Johnny, how are you pale?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Good? Thanks?
Speaker 6 (01:25):
Hey, you guys good.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I know a lot of Husky fans were kind of curious.
I mean, I'll be honest with you. I don't really
care if the Huskies are ranked or not at this point.
But should fans care if the Huskies are ranked? And
should they have been ranked in this current version of
the CFP.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
You can make a case that they should be one
of the last couple in or the last couple out.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
That's kind of how I view it. Does it matter?
Speaker 7 (01:50):
You know, it may matters a little bit recruiting fan interest.
It's always better to have a number by your name
than having no number by your name.
Speaker 8 (02:00):
The expansion deadline john for the twenty twenty six College
Football Playoff was supposed to be coming up, and now
it's been pushed back to what sometime in January.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
So what does that tell you, if anything?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Oh boy, what a mess, and it's such an important
event and it's just such a mess.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
So they did have until December first to notify ESPN
if they wanted to expand the playoff.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
The Big Ten and the SEC are at loggerheads.
Speaker 7 (02:31):
They have then asked for this extension to January twenty third,
so a couple of days after the championship game, to
see if they could come to some resolution.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
They're not going to, at least not for next fall.
Speaker 7 (02:48):
So the question really is there's like a ten percent
chance that they could go to a sixteen team event
for next fall, But more likely is they are talking
about what it's going to look like in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Will it be sixteen, will it be twenty four?
Speaker 7 (03:04):
The Big Ten is now pushing a twenty four team
field in which the Big all the power conferences would
get four guaranteed bids each. So it's just more of
the same lack of leadership, competing interests, everybody being territorial.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Yeah, and at stake? Is this really this thing that
really matters so much to the sport?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Right well?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Speaking of the playoff, Oregon up one spot from number
six to number five. It's hard to imagine a team
that's ten and one and number five in the country
right now missing the playoff. If Oregon loses to Washington,
will they miss the playoff?
Speaker 7 (03:43):
I think it depends on what else happens, because everything
is done, you know, nothing is done in a vacuum.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
What happens.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
If Texas Tech loses the Big twelve Championship, then they're
probably gonna get in.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
What happens If you know Miami Beach pitt they may
get in. Notre Dame may get in. The SEC is
gonna have.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
At four maybe five teams? What if Michigan beats Ohio State?
Hard to keep Michigan out with two losses? So I
actually no matter where Oregon is right now, five six seven,
if they lose Saturday, I think that they're in significant trouble.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
How concerns should they be and what type of game
do we see? You think?
Speaker 7 (04:28):
I think their concern level with a loss should be
pretty high because they're gonna end up.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
If that's the case, Oregon's gonna finish well. I don't know.
I assume it's not ranked. I haven't seen the rankings today.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
I assume I was not ranked, which means if that stays,
Oregon would have one win.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Over a ranked team. That's right.
Speaker 7 (04:46):
They have two losses, and that's not that's not a
great that's not a great formula for getting in. If
you've got to deal with the Michigan team that's beating
Ohio State and a Texas Tech team that has lost
the Big Twelve championship.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
So they should they should be on high alert.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
I think they're playing it's somewhat of an elimination game
for them, and that's you know, helps Washington's motivation as well.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, I was not ranked. And here's the thing for Oregon.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
You would think that they kind of would have wanted
Washington to be ranked so they can say they have
another win. I mean if they if they lose this game,
they're losing to an unranked football team. I mean, they
could fall from six to maybe twelfth or thirteenth. Then
we'd be ranked after that. Yeah, you double would. But
Oregon would fall tremendously. They could fall six or seven
spots and and and fall out. But when Dick asked
(05:33):
about how concerned Oregon should be, no doubt they should
be concerned. If they lose the game. How concerned should
they be that they will lose the game on Saturday?
Speaker 7 (05:44):
I mean, I think that that spread is pretty good.
You know, it's it's they are favored for a good reason.
But if this is not going to be a cakewalk
kind of a deal, so I think they should be
pretty worried. Washington's played well at home, and if I'm Oregon,
I am not looking at this as you know, a
game we're gonna win. If we don't play our a
(06:06):
game we're gonna win. I don't think that's the case.
I think they do need to bring their a game, John.
Speaker 8 (06:12):
I kind of think this game is gonna be a
defensive battle. If I were to rank the units, I
would rank Oregon's D in Washington's D ahead of Oregon
zoo in Washington.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
Z Oh.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Do you see it like that? Or do you think
we're gonna get to a team or two into the thirties?
Speaker 8 (06:29):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Yeah, I think that thirty is gonna win the game.
I kind of agree with you there.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Uh so which team has a better chance to get thirty?
M Probably Oregon? Yeah, I actually think I I'm not
sure Washington's gonna get twenty to be honest. So in
that regard, I think Oregon, you know, I see something
like twenty seven to twenty to me, seems like.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
A pretty good score, a pretty realistic score.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Well, here's the thing about you, Dub, for me, is
that they just haven't proven that they can function offensively
the way they want to against the legitimate defense. They
haven't done it yet, right, I mean, and and maybe
they're ready now to do it. Maybe there's something in
the water where Game twelve will be the game where
they pop. Maybe they get some help on special teams,
you know, Denzel Boston's return, all that stuff. But I
think you're right that this is gonna be maybe a
(07:20):
little bit of a lower scoring game. But like, who
on Oregon really would scare I know they have a
lot of good players, but they don't seem to have
the high end stars that they had a year ago
or even two years ago.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
On that team.
Speaker 7 (07:34):
They got one guy, if I'm Washington, that I'm scared of,
and that's Kenyon Sadik, the tight end.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Right.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
The guys a freak athlete. They are, you know, kind
of decimated at receiver. They're without their top three guys. Now,
I don't know if Decorian Moore and Gary Bryen are playing,
I'm kind of assuming they're not. And they're also they've
been missing Evan Stewart the whole season. He was gonna
be their number one receiver. But Ken is very difficult
matchup and he you know, he was he killed u
(08:02):
USC and you combine him with that running game and
you could you can kind of map out a way
that Oregon gets into the mid twenties, especially if the
Huskies commit a turnover or a mistake on special teams.
Speaker 8 (08:17):
John Dante Moore was a Heisman favorite after the first
month of the season and then you know, October he
cools off. He's kind of bounced back. What do you
make of his season overall? And what type of player
are we going to see?
Speaker 5 (08:30):
For?
Speaker 8 (08:30):
For Husky fans that really haven't paid much attention to
Oregon football this year because they just don't want to
watch him on TV, what kind of quarterback are we
going to see?
Speaker 7 (08:38):
Well, the guy has got a ton of arm talent,
you know, like I think he's he might not.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Be Michael Panics in terms of arm talent, but he
is very very good.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
He's not super consistent, he you know, he's not that
experienced and and I think that the fact he's without
a lot of weapons, they've done a good job not
putting him in position where he can make game losing mistakes.
They lean into their running game, and don't you know,
he in some ways he's more trailer than tractor, but
(09:14):
he does have got a ton of armtown. He can
make any pass on the field. If I'm Orgon, if
I'm Washington and I'm doubling up Sadik, then I'm feeling
pretty good that they're not gonna maybe kill me in
the pass game.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
But then you've got to worry about the run game.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Well, and then yeah, that's where Oregon may have a
bit of an advantage.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I mean, they're eighth in the country and rushing offense,
Huskies are fifty seventh, which is a disappointment I think
for you, Dub. But they're gonna have three guys ready
in Coleman, Washington, and Muhammad on Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
But here's the other side of that, coin Man.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
You know, we mentioned U Dub's offense struggles against good Deed.
Oregon played Iowa, which is the number in eight defense
in college football, and they were held to eighteen, they
played Wisconsin, who's a top fifty defense, and they were
held to twenty one. This might be the second or
third best defense at Oregon is scene all year long,
so I'm really curious to see how they do. But
you know, I got an email today, as I know
(10:04):
a lot of people did, from Bovada, who now has
Jedfish as the favorite to land the Florida job, assuming
they think Lane Kiffen takes the LSU job. They got
Jedfish as the one to one favorite. Now, so my
question to you is this, if Jed wins this game
on Saturday, what does that do to his marketability across
the country and his attractiveness to a place like Florida.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
I think it helps him a lot.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
Beaten a top five, top six team that's playoff bound
in his second year of what is viewed as a pretty.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Significant rebuilding job. I think it does a lot for him.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
It certainly helps Florida's administration sell him. See, they're going
to be in a tough spot because everybody in Gainesville
wants Lane Kiffin, and if they miss on Kiffen, there
are very few people that they can sell to the
fans that are going to generate some excitement bringing home
and a lum who turned her around Arizona and has
(11:01):
gone and turned around Washington.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
In two years and just beaten Oregon.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
They can sell that, So I could see that now,
if you're a Washington fan and your your choice is
we beat Oregon and lose Fish or we lose to
Oregon and keep Fish, what do you want?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
That's the question.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Satie's been asking that exact question everybody.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So what do you want?
Speaker 6 (11:22):
Yeah, what would you want? If you were a Husky fan?
Which would you prefer?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (11:30):
Yeah, I'm not sure. And that's pretty telling that I'm
not sure.
Speaker 8 (11:34):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
I think you probably want to beat Oregon.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
To be honest, I think you would have to have
faith in your ad Pat Chun to go hire a coach.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
And I'm sure Pat Shun's got anybody.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
Who is the ad for Jedfish has got a short
list of coaches in their back pocket all the time,
because Fish is known as a guy.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Who could leap leave.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
So I think you trust Fish, trust Sean that he
could hire somebody, and you get the bump with your
constituents for beating Oregon that you need for.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Nil for a revenue share all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 8 (12:13):
It was really close for me, John, I did though
see a Husky team. I do see a Husky team
that is a legitimate college football playoff contender next year
with a third year quarterback.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
I kind of want to see that play out.
Speaker 8 (12:28):
And then let Jed go wherever he wants to go,
because he'll be a super How commodity, am I over
selling what this Husky team can be next year?
Speaker 7 (12:37):
I don't think you're over selling what Washington could be.
I think you're under selling what can happen with the portal.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
And they could come up. They could, you know, come
up with a.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
Better quarterback than Demm Williams in the portal, and you
know a bunch of good linemen and playmakers.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
You could just rebuild so quickly.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
I mean just Indiana is a great example, right, But
there's other examples. So I would say that don't certainly
sites should be high for the Huskies next year, like
nine wins minimum if everybody comes back. But also I
don't think that you could rule out nine wins if
(13:17):
there's a coaching change because of the portal.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
John Wilners with us on the radio show John The
Loss by Lincoln Riley to Oregon last week. I saw
a stat where he now has I think it's fifty
one games. If I'm not mistaken, it might be forty one.
But whatever the number is, it's the exact same record
that Clay Helton had at this point in time of
his USC career. So, I mean, it just seems like
(13:41):
every off season we're talking about Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Is this the year?
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Is this the year? Is this the year? The buyouts?
This the buyouts that? Well?
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Is this the year where Jen Cohen finally has no
choice but to pull the plug on this guy?
Speaker 5 (13:53):
I don't think so.
Speaker 7 (13:55):
You know, if they beat UCLA and they're favored by
I think three touchdowns, they're gonna be No.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Three. And I just can't see them making a move.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
If they've gone from seven to five last year to
nine and three and his buyout is still right about
eighty million, I just don't think that they will make
a move. I think next year would would be the
big year. Here's another stat. Indiana has been to the
playoff twice. USC has been in the playoff no times.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Wow, that's been incredible.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah. Well how about this?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
How about this for a little brainbuster, The former California
quarterback is about to win the Heisman Trophy in Indiana
and the former Indiana quarterback took you dub to the
National Championship Game and almost won the Heisman Trophy. Indiana
is the epicenter of the college football universe right now, John.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
But that tells you what it's like now with the
portal and how Washington. You know, and I know they
were decimated after Deboor left, but I would argue that
fish leaving would not have the same impact on the
roster that de boor leaving did. Why Because I don't
(15:01):
think that they will have attained as much, right and
they're not.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Making the National Championship Game. They're not gonna have as
many guys leave for the NFL, and I don't think.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
I just think that there's more guys who would wait
and see what happens stick around. And the other piece
of it is the portal timing is now January second, right.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
So you people, the recruits or the players.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
Would have time to see who they're gonna hire before
they got to get into the portal.
Speaker 8 (15:28):
You mentioned thirty wins the game of mont League. What
wins the game in the Big House?
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Twenty?
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Who? Yeah, probably.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
And I also, I think I've heard that there's gonna
be snow in ann Arbor, so I mean it may
be seventeen. But yeah, that Michigan very good defense. Ohio
States defense is lights out statistically, it's the best in years.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
They're all having seven points a game.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
I think it's gonna be seventeen, fourteen, fourteen, ten, something
like that.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Under's a great look.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Great, yeah, John, I want to cheat a little bit
with the with the games this weekend. We don't normally
talk a lot of Pac twelve. Number one, there's only
two teams left in Oregon State and Wazoo and number two.
You got way too much on your plate with the
Big ten obviously going on.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
But man, Wazoo.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I was disappointed they lost that first game in Corvallis,
and I was thinking, for the last month and a half,
whatever the line is, I'm gonna jump all over to
Cougar's in this game they're given thirteen and a half
at home against Oregon State. Is that is that too
many a thing to jump on the Cougs this weekend.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
I was a little surprised it was that much.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
To be honest, I would be hesitant because their offense
hasn't been great and they re Oregon State's game plan
against Washington State in.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Corvallas was very good. I would assume that they're going
to go back to that.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
You know, the Cougars didn't score a ton of James Madison.
I think that's too much. You can kind of figure
on Washington State getting twenty to twenty three. Could and
can the Beavers score ten? I think there's a pretty
good chance that they cannot. If it were ten or eleven,
I would feel better about the Cougars, But thirteen and
a half's a lot.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Well, how about Oregon State and their new head coach?
Justin Wilcox just got fired a cal Is he now
at the front of the line to replace what's his nuts?
That just got whacked? What's the guy's name he got fired?
In you very much? I actually thought his name was
what's his nuts? All too? That's interesting too, Nick Rolovin
should California? Is this a tryout for him for that gig?
(17:33):
And how about Wilcox at Oregon State?
Speaker 7 (17:36):
Well, I think it's interesting in Wilcox, I'm just not
sure he's gonna get like ten million bucks from cal
I don't know if he wants to jump back in.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
There now. He is from.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
Oregon, right, he grew up like halfway between I think Corvallis.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
And Eugene Uh.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
I think it might be too soon to be honest
with him. Rollovich is an interesting case. I think Oregon
State should have go after Rolovich. They talked to him
and decided to go in a different direction. The thing
about Rolovich at Cal is he is very tight with
Jared Kiowai Sangapola Telly, who is the quarterback Cal is
desperate to keep and everybody wants because the guy is
(18:15):
a phenomenal as a freshman and he is very close
with Rolovich, the kids from Hawaii. Rolovic has got a
big background in Hawaii.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Coach there.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
Keeping Rolovich either as the head coach unlikely, but maybe
as the offensive coordinator I think would help Cal keep
the quarterback and he might be the hottest quarterback on
the market.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
This this transfer cycle.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Got it all right, John, Before you go, speaking of hot,
you are red freaking hot nine to four on the
air so far this year.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You have now won four in a row, five and
one in your last six.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
You nailed Arizona just kicking a snot at a Baylor
on Saturday. Let's make it ten and four. What a
run that would be in the regular season. To go
ten and four over fourteen weeks, you're a win away,
my friend, who do you like this weekend?
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Does the nine to four record get trigger my rollover
contracts so I can come back next year.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
As long as Dick and I are betting, and it
triggers whatever the hell you want? Free dinner, there's some
pizza sent to the house, college tuition for the kid, whatever,
So let's make it ten and four.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Go for it.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
I am actually gonna pick the Ducks, and it's strictly
because the number I saw was six and a half,
and I think that's a big half a point. As
we talked about earlier, if it were seven and a half,
I probably would stay away.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
I feel compelled to pick that game.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
It's such a huge game in the Pacific Northwest and
on the West Coast, and I love the rivalry.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I feel compelled to pick it.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
And with that number, I think Oregon is a slightly
better bet than the Huskies.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
I love it Oregon minus the six and a half.
You can play the emotional heads, you play the Ducks,
you win some money, but play the money line though.
If they don't win, then you get to win by
the dogs and you're happy either way.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Man.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Really, in the end, John, it's about making me happy,
which is the point of this entire thing.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
So thanks, true.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Although I do think you guys had a great point.
And I don't know what the total is, but the
under might be a good bet.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Yeah, fifty one and a half, John, That's that was
my picture.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Yeah, alright, that's a lot.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
That's a lot, Harley the Ducks in the under and
really walk away with some dough. All right, John, listener,
you have a great Thanksgiving on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Man, appreciate you more than you know. And we're talking
a week Buddy Son.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Thanks guys, sand you you enjoy the game.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
All right, John Wilner with us, we're going to break
Paul Allen, the voice of the Minnesota Vikings. What does
he see happening coming up on Sunday at lumin Field?
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Come on, man, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
We'll talk with him at six on ninety three three KJARFM.
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