April 22, 2025 • 17 mins
Jon Wilner of The San Jose Mercury News and Wilner Hotline joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about the state of Spring Games, a new playoff proposal, feelings about the quarterbacks at the top of the NFL Draft this week, and his top quarterback.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for our weekly Pac twelve conversation with San
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
I actually wanted to cut you off before you gave
it that next score.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
By the way, I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I don't want to hear it. That's where I was going.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
All I want to hear is you Sunday. That's all
I want to hear. So just nobody needs to know that.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Just we just know they're going to sweep this series.
And then Mike yeah ya ya, yeah, yeah yeah, joining
us right now on the radio show.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Our friend from the San Jose Mercury News courtesy is
Simply Seattle. Well, by the way, Jonah Coleman is going
to be signing autographs, kissing babies, taking pictures on Sunday
at the New U Village store at eleven thirty.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Swing on by and see him.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Maybe John Wonner a fly up for that bring his
kids to see the best running back on the country,
Jonah Coleman, in person on Sunday at eleven thirty.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
How about that, John? Is that worth the trip of Seattle?
Might be?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
What's the weather going to be up there this week?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Beautiful? I think? I don't know. It changes by the minute.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Up here, it says highest sixty, lower forty seven, slightly overcast.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So that's a win. By the way, that's a win.
Why not?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Hey, let me ask you a question. How many teams
in the Big Ten? Is everybody still doing a spring game?
Or are there any teams that have said the hell
well that we're not doing it anymore?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I lost track?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Really, yeah, I actually the spring games are almost They're
not meaningless. But boy, with the transfer portal and the
fact that everybody's scared to do anything at the spring game,
I kind of have not been paying close attention. I've
been more focused on player movement and all the off
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the field stuff that's going on, because the portals still
open for the rest of this week for football, and
you know, there's still bunch of players who could go in,
a bunch of players who could come out, And that
to me is a much bigger deal. It's hard to
get a handle on teams, Yeah, based on their practices.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
So according to AI, do we believe AI? By the
way everything AI says? Ai says Ohio State, Nebraska USC
not doing spring games this year, So there you go.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
John, Is the Huskies non conference schedule of problem or
do they have all the strength of schedule they need
from the nine conference games?
Speaker 5 (02:23):
I think it depends on what the situation is at
the end of the year. If they're if it's neck
and neck with let's say a team for the eleventh seed,
and that team has got a high level non conference victory,
then the Huskies could be in trouble. If it's clear
cut for the eleventh seed, you know, they've got some
(02:47):
material advantage in the resumes, maybe it won't bother them.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
It's it's hard to know ahead.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
But to me, you know, you're you're better off having
one a level game and certainly winning it, but even
playing it.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
I always would vote for taking that game.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Right Yeah, Carlo State, UC Davis, and then of course
Wazoo in the Apple got before the Huskies take on
Ohio State and Maryland. I mean, that's two pretty good
teams right back to back weeks of making the trip
to Maryland and play in Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
But John, I don't know what's true.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
And was not anymore to be totally honest with you, man,
I mean, most of the stuff I look at as
on social media Twitter, and it's ninety eight percent nonsense.
Am I Am I seeing this correctly that there's proposals
for the College Football Playoff that inclusion would be partly
based on television ratings for teams and how many people
watch their games.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Is that accurate?
Speaker 5 (03:42):
It is accurate in that ESPN reported it. Now I
have been told that that component has not actually or
I shouldn't say has. It was not discussed by the
commissioners prior to their meeting today. They have their three
day spring meetings this week. Until they gathered this morning,
(04:06):
that proposal had not been discussed. I sense that it
came either from the CFP or maybe from a school,
but it had not been seriously discussed by the commissioners.
We will see if they do dig into it over
the course of these three days. I think that there'd
be a lot of pushback on that, frankly, and there
(04:27):
should be. They Basically what happened is the Commissioners asked
the CFP for more options for twenty twenty six and beyond,
more than just twelve or fourteen teams, more than all
at all at large or all or five champions or
fourteen aqs. They wanted other options, and that was one
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of the options that I guess the CFP came up with.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
But I can't see that happening.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
John, How would you foster more Big ten SEC matchups
in September? Would it be to have like an entity
that sets the non conference schedules for all the Power
four teams or would it be just to guarantee, Hey,
the Big ten's gonna get four teams in the SEC
is gonna get four teams in the playoffs, so you
don't have to worry about losing a non conference game.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Well, that's it.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
It starts at the end of the process. Those two
conferences playing each other in September, the start of the season.
The process begins at the end of the year with
the selection committee. You know, basically they want to defang
the committee and not allow the committee to make the
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decisions on who gets in and who gets out because
they're worried the Big ten is worried that if Washington
plays LSU and loses that game, it could cost the
Huskies a bit. They don't want that to happen. They
want those kind of games to be bonuses, not detractions
from your resume. But they don't trust the committee, and
they shouldn't trust them committee. If they create the aqs,
(06:03):
then it's up to the Big Ten whether the Huskies
get in, you know, a Big Ten process, It's not
up to the committee. So that's why the eight qs
are basically to create a pathway for the two conferences
to play games against each other in September without negative repercussions.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Well, John Wilner's with us, and John, obviously you covering
the PAC twelve, Pac ten, hell, you might go back
to the Pack eight.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I got no idea.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
One of the great things about West Coast football and
this conference has been the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Obviously, the Big Ten has history with the Rose Bowl
as well, just like the PAC twelve PAC ten did.
But the story came out today that they're going to
have three of the New Year's excuse me, three of
the quarter final games we played on New Year's Day,
one on New Year's Eve. So the Orange Bowl is
going to go at nine am Pacific time. The Sugar
Bowl is going to go at five o'clock Pacific time,
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and the Rose Bowl, which traditionally starts around what two
fifty team two thirty or so something like that, is
going to now start at one o'clock. And I mean,
I'm watching people on social media.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Lose their mind.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
How could they do that? This is crazy? I mean
to me, it's like more daylight. You get that sunset,
you know, mid fourth quarter whatever. Why is it a
problem because people don't like breaking with tradition and the
Rose Bull has always kicked off at the same time.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
What do you think of that idea?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And do you think people should be bothered by the
idea of the Rose bulls changing their kickoff time, which,
let's face it, in my lifetime they've never done.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
No.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
I So here's the the whole deal with it is
that the Rose Bull didn't want to move off two
o'clock because they want the sun setting over the mountains
in the middle of the third quarter. Right, It is
all about the TV visuals, right, And moving kickoff back
or moving it up to one o'clock means if it's
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a quick game, the sun might be setting.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Like at the end of the fourth quarter. That's true,
and then you don't get that TV visual.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Right, get it what it's all about.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
The problem is that you start that game at ten
to fifteen and it goes close to four hours. All
of a sudden, the Sugar Bowl is being pushed to
basically a nine o'clock Eastern start.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
And that's the problem. It's too late.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
So the Rose Bowl has basically agreed to move up
an hour because they don't nobody wants the Sugar Bowl
to start that late. Then with the Sugar Bowl starting.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
At eight, John, it's too early for an official What
the hell are you're talking about, Wilner?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Ooh never, never too early, Never too early? You have one,
by the way, Yeah, I can't hang on I do.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I didn't warn David. What are you talking about, Wilner.
I don't know if you saw this, Dave.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
But oh no, John wrote his rankings for the quarterbacks
and the big ten. Okay, and I had to go
down a lot farther than I thought I was going to.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I was excited. I opened up the website.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
I was like, oh, this is great, this is great.
I'm gonna see Demon Williams somewhere in the top three.
I had to go down to not six, not seven, eighth.
Demond Williams is eighth in the Big ten in your rankings, Judge,
that's just ex you don't know what you're talking about
other than injury. I cannot foresee any possible way he
(09:16):
has the eighth best season of any quarterback of the conference.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Next year.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Maybe not, we'll see.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
I went down and I gave I gave a lot
of preference, not entirely, but a lot of preference to experience.
And you know, there's a couple of guys coming into
the to the Big ten, like Mark Gronowski from South
Dakota State.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
He won two FCS championships.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
So I you know, this point in the year, I
favored experience. Now I'm gonna redo it at the end
of training camp. We'll see where Williams fits. But uh,
you know, when you add IAmA Lieva, you add Gronowski.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Yeah, he ended up getting pushed down a little bit.
But you know, he is pretty good. I I don't
think it's top half.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
Did you use talent as a wow wow?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Make him say that to your face next time.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
That's a good question. But what But how much does
talent matter?
Speaker 5 (10:15):
It matters to a certain degree, but when it's super
inexperienced and he's going to be going through the rigors
of the Big ten schedules week after week after week,
you know, talent doesn't matter as much as other things.
And we'll see, we'll see how he does. But at
this point, you know, he's I would put up top half.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah, I mean, we'll see, but I think that's a
little low myself. But again, I mean you also you
also called the Huskies, uh, when we all thought they'd
be a little better on the basketball court, and you
said they're in trouble and you were right about that.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
So credit where credits do? I just love the fact that.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
You hang your you know what's out there with these
opinions and get people like dicking Softy all angry at you,
telling you how dumb you are, and then you come
back and rub it in our face when we're wrong. Uh,
John Wilner us again courtesy of our friends at simply
Seattle dot com. So John, before you go, the draft
is on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
You have said before on this radio show that you
would not touch cam Ward with the number one pick.
And you would not touch the door Sanders or a
ninety seven foot pole, you know, like either one of
these guys. Right, So has your opinion changed at all
on either one of these dudes? Because cam Ward is
about to be in forty eight hours from now, the
number one pick in the NFL Draft.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
My opinion has not changed. I have seen nothing that
warrants reconsideration. I mean, in fact, the whole Colorado retirement
jersey thing in some ways just reinforces my view. Just
go way away from Sanders, you know. I just think
that whole thing is ridiculous and kind of shows the
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entitled culture that he has grown up in. So no,
I you know, I think that I honestly think that
the guy who's the sleeper quarterback is Tyler Shuck, who
started his career at Oregon in twenty twenty, then he
went to Texas text and then Louisville. I actually think
he could end up being the best one of these guys,
(12:09):
especially early. But if I would not pick either of them,
I would trade down as to get as many.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Picks as I could.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
If I was the Seahawks, I would try and get
you know, quarterback middle rounds.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Jalen mil Road, maybe Middle Round to be there, but
I would not pick either of those guys.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
High John, you're the man, great stuff, perfect timing because
your phone's starting to break up.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Could not have time that better. Awesome. Enjoy the draft
and we're talking a week man, Appreciate it. Pout.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
All right.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I don't know if it's something with like you know,
the solar flares patterns or whatever, but I'm telling you,
every week we have them on like sixteen minutes in.
It's like some something gets in the middle of his
signal coming back to the radio station in Seattle, and
that always happens that that will be right there.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
It's incredible.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
But by the way, the thing about Shador, and I
kind of agree with John. I think it's just a
very kind of arrogant, almost borderline douchey thing that Shador
Sanders had his number retired at Colorado. Do we think
it was like his idea? Like, was he cool with this?
Is he embarrassed by this? Was it Dion's idea? Did
Shad We're going to d On and say, hey Dad,
can he help me get my number retire? Before I
(13:14):
took off? How do we think that whole process worked
down there.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
I do not think in any way, shape or for him.
It was his idea. Yeah, I mean obviously he was
either cool with it or just whatever about it. I
think if he was totally against it, they wouldn't have
done it, right.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I hope so, I hope, I certainly hope. So.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I'd love to get somebody on from down there, down
the road and find out what the process was.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
I can't even imagine any player, regardless of whether they
were a Heisman Trophy winner or not. I can't remember.
I can't imagine Travis Hunter going to Colorado and say, hey,
you guys need to retire my jersey or will you
retire my I just can't even imagine some kid doing that.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Well, let me ask you a question, Jackson, want to
get your take on this too. If it's ever possible
that a kid would do something like that, would you
be stunned if shaduor Sanders, son of Dion, who grew
up with the cockiest football player in the history of
the NFL, and for good reason, he might be the
best defensive player of all time, you can certainly make
the argument, would you put it past Shador Sanders to
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be that guy.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
No, I wouldn't put it past him. But again, just
you look at the how that program is right now
functioning from just how they also are behaving on social
media and what they're doing in that, and just how
the Colorado Buffalo's program is showing themselves. It's just the
Dion Sanders show, and it's just he's making all the
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calls and like for a kid also who's very focused
on what's coming up here in the next week. I
just I don't think Shadora had a thing to do
with this. I think it's just it's Dion again. And
I think it comes back to the social media. It's
trying to make headlines. It's trying to be out there
and trying to, you know, get the clicks and get
the eyesight because right now, I mean, guys, the NFL
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Draft is on Thursday, and for the last two weeks,
so much of this conversation, you know, whether it's with
John or whether it's with really anybody, we've been talking
about Colorado, we've been talking about this darn football program.
Is Deon Sanders wanting to get everybody's eyes on him.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Employ too, because.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Now, now, if you're a great quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
You can come in.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Geez, all I gotta do is do what Shador Sanders
did last year and the number retired.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Well, that's a great point, Jackson, because you're right.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I mean, we have talked more Colorado football in the
last year and a half h and we're talking more
about Colorado heading up to the draft than any other team.
I mean, all the talent at Ohio State's got the
talent that Michigan's got, right. I mean, we haven't talked
about Huskies don't really have one guy, and that's Carson
brun There's probably a Day three pick. To be honest
with you, we haven't talked much about them. But you're
You're exactly right. I mean, I mean, if the goal
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is to get chatter and to get people talking about
your program, mission accomplished.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
But I guess I just would not dismiss anything.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Guys that Shador Sanders overhears that they're going to retire
Travis Hunter's number and says, hey, what about me?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I mean, I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I mean he think he did that. I would it
be possible, for how cocky he is, possible that he
would potentially say something like that. Do I believe that.
I have no idea. Do we know he's a cocky
as his dad? Like, because I don't think he's just
cocky is his dad, because nobody's his cocky as.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Because I mean, it's it's there's I think there might
be a lot of guilt by association.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Well that's like I said to the other day, Dick,
growing up the son of Dion Sanders, it's almost impossible
to not be a little bit arrogant right when you
were walking around like Dion Sanders to be. I mean,
the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree, right obviously,
So in some ways, I I'm glad you said that
because I do kind of.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Feel bad for the kid a little bit.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I'm very curious to see what happens when he goes
off on his own and he's in the NFL, and
like if he struggles, how does he handle that? Has
he treat his teammates in the locker room? I mean,
everything we've heard about that regardless he's right, Like I
remember the famous remember the famous video of Ryan Leaf
going nutso on a reporter in the San Diego Chargers
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locker room, Like, how is this guy gonna handle when
reporters are busting his balls about not playing well. I
don't know, I'm just I'm really curious. Man, it's very intriguing.
We're gonna break. Uh, maybe the greatest gender reveal of
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
I actually wanted to cut you off before you gave
it that next score.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
By the way, I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I don't want to hear it. That's where I was going.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
All I want to hear is you Sunday. That's all
I want to hear. So just nobody needs to know that.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Just we just know they're going to sweep this series.
And then Mike yeah ya ya, yeah, yeah yeah, joining
us right now on the radio show.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Our friend from the San Jose Mercury News courtesy is
Simply Seattle. Well, by the way, Jonah Coleman is going
to be signing autographs, kissing babies, taking pictures on Sunday
at the New U Village store at eleven thirty.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Swing on by and see him.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Maybe John Wonner a fly up for that bring his
kids to see the best running back on the country,
Jonah Coleman, in person on Sunday at eleven thirty.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
How about that, John? Is that worth the trip of Seattle?
Might be?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
What's the weather going to be up there this week?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Beautiful? I think? I don't know. It changes by the minute.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Up here, it says highest sixty, lower forty seven, slightly overcast.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So that's a win. By the way, that's a win.
Why not?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Hey, let me ask you a question. How many teams
in the Big Ten? Is everybody still doing a spring game?
Or are there any teams that have said the hell
well that we're not doing it anymore?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I lost track?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Really, yeah, I actually the spring games are almost They're
not meaningless. But boy, with the transfer portal and the
fact that everybody's scared to do anything at the spring game,
I kind of have not been paying close attention. I've
been more focused on player movement and all the off
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the field stuff that's going on, because the portals still
open for the rest of this week for football, and
you know, there's still bunch of players who could go in,
a bunch of players who could come out, And that
to me is a much bigger deal. It's hard to
get a handle on teams, Yeah, based on their practices.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
So according to AI, do we believe AI? By the
way everything AI says? Ai says Ohio State, Nebraska USC
not doing spring games this year, So there you go.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
John, Is the Huskies non conference schedule of problem or
do they have all the strength of schedule they need
from the nine conference games?
Speaker 5 (02:23):
I think it depends on what the situation is at
the end of the year. If they're if it's neck
and neck with let's say a team for the eleventh seed,
and that team has got a high level non conference victory,
then the Huskies could be in trouble. If it's clear
cut for the eleventh seed, you know, they've got some
(02:47):
material advantage in the resumes, maybe it won't bother them.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
It's it's hard to know ahead.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
But to me, you know, you're you're better off having
one a level game and certainly winning it, but even
playing it.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
I always would vote for taking that game.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Right Yeah, Carlo State, UC Davis, and then of course
Wazoo in the Apple got before the Huskies take on
Ohio State and Maryland. I mean, that's two pretty good
teams right back to back weeks of making the trip
to Maryland and play in Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
But John, I don't know what's true.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
And was not anymore to be totally honest with you, man,
I mean, most of the stuff I look at as
on social media Twitter, and it's ninety eight percent nonsense.
Am I Am I seeing this correctly that there's proposals
for the College Football Playoff that inclusion would be partly
based on television ratings for teams and how many people
watch their games.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Is that accurate?
Speaker 5 (03:42):
It is accurate in that ESPN reported it. Now I
have been told that that component has not actually or
I shouldn't say has. It was not discussed by the
commissioners prior to their meeting today. They have their three
day spring meetings this week. Until they gathered this morning,
(04:06):
that proposal had not been discussed. I sense that it
came either from the CFP or maybe from a school,
but it had not been seriously discussed by the commissioners.
We will see if they do dig into it over
the course of these three days. I think that there'd
be a lot of pushback on that, frankly, and there
(04:27):
should be. They Basically what happened is the Commissioners asked
the CFP for more options for twenty twenty six and beyond,
more than just twelve or fourteen teams, more than all
at all at large or all or five champions or
fourteen aqs. They wanted other options, and that was one
(04:49):
of the options that I guess the CFP came up with.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
But I can't see that happening.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
John, How would you foster more Big ten SEC matchups
in September? Would it be to have like an entity
that sets the non conference schedules for all the Power
four teams or would it be just to guarantee, Hey,
the Big ten's gonna get four teams in the SEC
is gonna get four teams in the playoffs, so you
don't have to worry about losing a non conference game.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Well, that's it.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
It starts at the end of the process. Those two
conferences playing each other in September, the start of the season.
The process begins at the end of the year with
the selection committee. You know, basically they want to defang
the committee and not allow the committee to make the
(05:39):
decisions on who gets in and who gets out because
they're worried the Big ten is worried that if Washington
plays LSU and loses that game, it could cost the
Huskies a bit. They don't want that to happen. They
want those kind of games to be bonuses, not detractions
from your resume. But they don't trust the committee, and
they shouldn't trust them committee. If they create the aqs,
(06:03):
then it's up to the Big Ten whether the Huskies
get in, you know, a Big Ten process, It's not
up to the committee. So that's why the eight qs
are basically to create a pathway for the two conferences
to play games against each other in September without negative repercussions.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Well, John Wilner's with us, and John, obviously you covering
the PAC twelve, Pac ten, hell, you might go back
to the Pack eight.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I got no idea.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
One of the great things about West Coast football and
this conference has been the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Obviously, the Big Ten has history with the Rose Bowl
as well, just like the PAC twelve PAC ten did.
But the story came out today that they're going to
have three of the New Year's excuse me, three of
the quarter final games we played on New Year's Day,
one on New Year's Eve. So the Orange Bowl is
going to go at nine am Pacific time. The Sugar
Bowl is going to go at five o'clock Pacific time,
(06:56):
and the Rose Bowl, which traditionally starts around what two
fifty team two thirty or so something like that, is
going to now start at one o'clock. And I mean,
I'm watching people on social media.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Lose their mind.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
How could they do that? This is crazy? I mean
to me, it's like more daylight. You get that sunset,
you know, mid fourth quarter whatever. Why is it a
problem because people don't like breaking with tradition and the
Rose Bull has always kicked off at the same time.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
What do you think of that idea?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And do you think people should be bothered by the
idea of the Rose bulls changing their kickoff time, which,
let's face it, in my lifetime they've never done.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
No.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
I So here's the the whole deal with it is
that the Rose Bull didn't want to move off two
o'clock because they want the sun setting over the mountains
in the middle of the third quarter. Right, It is
all about the TV visuals, right, And moving kickoff back
or moving it up to one o'clock means if it's
(07:51):
a quick game, the sun might be setting.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Like at the end of the fourth quarter. That's true,
and then you don't get that TV visual.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Right, get it what it's all about.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
The problem is that you start that game at ten
to fifteen and it goes close to four hours. All
of a sudden, the Sugar Bowl is being pushed to
basically a nine o'clock Eastern start.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
And that's the problem. It's too late.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
So the Rose Bowl has basically agreed to move up
an hour because they don't nobody wants the Sugar Bowl
to start that late. Then with the Sugar Bowl starting.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
At eight, John, it's too early for an official What
the hell are you're talking about, Wilner?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Ooh never, never too early, Never too early? You have one,
by the way, Yeah, I can't hang on I do.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I didn't warn David. What are you talking about, Wilner.
I don't know if you saw this, Dave.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
But oh no, John wrote his rankings for the quarterbacks
and the big ten. Okay, and I had to go
down a lot farther than I thought I was going to.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I was excited. I opened up the website.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
I was like, oh, this is great, this is great.
I'm gonna see Demon Williams somewhere in the top three.
I had to go down to not six, not seven, eighth.
Demond Williams is eighth in the Big ten in your rankings, Judge,
that's just ex you don't know what you're talking about
other than injury. I cannot foresee any possible way he
(09:16):
has the eighth best season of any quarterback of the conference.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Next year.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Maybe not, we'll see.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
I went down and I gave I gave a lot
of preference, not entirely, but a lot of preference to experience.
And you know, there's a couple of guys coming into
the to the Big ten, like Mark Gronowski from South
Dakota State.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
He won two FCS championships.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
So I you know, this point in the year, I
favored experience. Now I'm gonna redo it at the end
of training camp. We'll see where Williams fits. But uh,
you know, when you add IAmA Lieva, you add Gronowski.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Yeah, he ended up getting pushed down a little bit.
But you know, he is pretty good. I I don't
think it's top half.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
Did you use talent as a wow wow?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Make him say that to your face next time.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
That's a good question. But what But how much does
talent matter?
Speaker 5 (10:15):
It matters to a certain degree, but when it's super
inexperienced and he's going to be going through the rigors
of the Big ten schedules week after week after week,
you know, talent doesn't matter as much as other things.
And we'll see, we'll see how he does. But at
this point, you know, he's I would put up top half.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah, I mean, we'll see, but I think that's a
little low myself. But again, I mean you also you
also called the Huskies, uh, when we all thought they'd
be a little better on the basketball court, and you
said they're in trouble and you were right about that.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
So credit where credits do? I just love the fact that.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
You hang your you know what's out there with these
opinions and get people like dicking Softy all angry at you,
telling you how dumb you are, and then you come
back and rub it in our face when we're wrong. Uh,
John Wilner us again courtesy of our friends at simply
Seattle dot com. So John, before you go, the draft
is on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
You have said before on this radio show that you
would not touch cam Ward with the number one pick.
And you would not touch the door Sanders or a
ninety seven foot pole, you know, like either one of
these guys. Right, So has your opinion changed at all
on either one of these dudes? Because cam Ward is
about to be in forty eight hours from now, the
number one pick in the NFL Draft.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
My opinion has not changed. I have seen nothing that
warrants reconsideration. I mean, in fact, the whole Colorado retirement
jersey thing in some ways just reinforces my view. Just
go way away from Sanders, you know. I just think
that whole thing is ridiculous and kind of shows the
(11:49):
entitled culture that he has grown up in. So no,
I you know, I think that I honestly think that
the guy who's the sleeper quarterback is Tyler Shuck, who
started his career at Oregon in twenty twenty, then he
went to Texas text and then Louisville. I actually think
he could end up being the best one of these guys,
(12:09):
especially early. But if I would not pick either of them,
I would trade down as to get as many.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Picks as I could.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
If I was the Seahawks, I would try and get
you know, quarterback middle rounds.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Jalen mil Road, maybe Middle Round to be there, but
I would not pick either of those guys.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
High John, you're the man, great stuff, perfect timing because
your phone's starting to break up.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Could not have time that better. Awesome. Enjoy the draft
and we're talking a week man, Appreciate it. Pout.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
All right.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I don't know if it's something with like you know,
the solar flares patterns or whatever, but I'm telling you,
every week we have them on like sixteen minutes in.
It's like some something gets in the middle of his
signal coming back to the radio station in Seattle, and
that always happens that that will be right there.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
It's incredible.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
But by the way, the thing about Shador, and I
kind of agree with John. I think it's just a
very kind of arrogant, almost borderline douchey thing that Shador
Sanders had his number retired at Colorado. Do we think
it was like his idea? Like, was he cool with this?
Is he embarrassed by this? Was it Dion's idea? Did
Shad We're going to d On and say, hey Dad,
can he help me get my number retire? Before I
(13:14):
took off? How do we think that whole process worked
down there.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
I do not think in any way, shape or for him.
It was his idea. Yeah, I mean obviously he was
either cool with it or just whatever about it. I
think if he was totally against it, they wouldn't have
done it, right.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I hope so, I hope, I certainly hope. So.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I'd love to get somebody on from down there, down
the road and find out what the process was.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
I can't even imagine any player, regardless of whether they
were a Heisman Trophy winner or not. I can't remember.
I can't imagine Travis Hunter going to Colorado and say, hey,
you guys need to retire my jersey or will you
retire my I just can't even imagine some kid doing that.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Well, let me ask you a question, Jackson, want to
get your take on this too. If it's ever possible
that a kid would do something like that, would you
be stunned if shaduor Sanders, son of Dion, who grew
up with the cockiest football player in the history of
the NFL, and for good reason, he might be the
best defensive player of all time, you can certainly make
the argument, would you put it past Shador Sanders to
(14:15):
be that guy.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
No, I wouldn't put it past him. But again, just
you look at the how that program is right now
functioning from just how they also are behaving on social
media and what they're doing in that, and just how
the Colorado Buffalo's program is showing themselves. It's just the
Dion Sanders show, and it's just he's making all the
(14:40):
calls and like for a kid also who's very focused
on what's coming up here in the next week. I
just I don't think Shadora had a thing to do
with this. I think it's just it's Dion again. And
I think it comes back to the social media. It's
trying to make headlines. It's trying to be out there
and trying to, you know, get the clicks and get
the eyesight because right now, I mean, guys, the NFL
(15:01):
Draft is on Thursday, and for the last two weeks,
so much of this conversation, you know, whether it's with
John or whether it's with really anybody, we've been talking
about Colorado, we've been talking about this darn football program.
Is Deon Sanders wanting to get everybody's eyes on him.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Employ too, because.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Now, now, if you're a great quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
You can come in.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Geez, all I gotta do is do what Shador Sanders
did last year and the number retired.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Well, that's a great point, Jackson, because you're right.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I mean, we have talked more Colorado football in the
last year and a half h and we're talking more
about Colorado heading up to the draft than any other team.
I mean, all the talent at Ohio State's got the
talent that Michigan's got, right. I mean, we haven't talked
about Huskies don't really have one guy, and that's Carson
brun There's probably a Day three pick. To be honest
with you, we haven't talked much about them. But you're
You're exactly right. I mean, I mean, if the goal
(15:50):
is to get chatter and to get people talking about
your program, mission accomplished.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
But I guess I just would not dismiss anything.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Guys that Shador Sanders overhears that they're going to retire
Travis Hunter's number and says, hey, what about me?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I mean, I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I mean he think he did that. I would it
be possible, for how cocky he is, possible that he
would potentially say something like that. Do I believe that.
I have no idea. Do we know he's a cocky
as his dad? Like, because I don't think he's just
cocky is his dad, because nobody's his cocky as.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Because I mean, it's it's there's I think there might
be a lot of guilt by association.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Well that's like I said to the other day, Dick,
growing up the son of Dion Sanders, it's almost impossible
to not be a little bit arrogant right when you
were walking around like Dion Sanders to be. I mean,
the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree, right obviously,
So in some ways, I I'm glad you said that
because I do kind of.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Feel bad for the kid a little bit.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I'm very curious to see what happens when he goes
off on his own and he's in the NFL, and
like if he struggles, how does he handle that? Has
he treat his teammates in the locker room? I mean,
everything we've heard about that regardless he's right, Like I
remember the famous remember the famous video of Ryan Leaf
going nutso on a reporter in the San Diego Chargers
(17:06):
locker room, Like, how is this guy gonna handle when
reporters are busting his balls about not playing well. I
don't know, I'm just I'm really curious. Man, it's very intriguing.
We're gonna break. Uh, maybe the greatest gender reveal of
all time. I think gender reveals are dumb, but this
is maybe the greatest one ever. Next on ninety three
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