May 28, 2025 • 18 mins
Jon Wilner of the San Jose Mercury News joins the show to talk CFB rule changes, PAC 12 finances, and mich more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for our weekly Pac twelve conversation with San
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
John Wilner of the Wilner Hotline, San Jose Mercury News.
I'm in for Dave Softymuller and Dick Fane. Hi, my
name is Jackson Felts. John, I get to talk to
you for more than thirty seconds for the first time.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
How are you, buddy.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
I'm great, Jackson.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
I feel like I have upgraded from economy class to
business class.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I am delighted to join you.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, you're not at first class yet. We're not going
to give you that much legroom, but we are going
to give you enough. We're not gonna play the what
you're talking about, Wilner sound effect. We're not gonna clown you, cause, John,
we have business to get to.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
We have a lot to talk about.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Man. It's it's been a while since we talked to you,
and the last time we did, there was not a
new model for the college football playoffs straight seeding. Top
four teams get the top four spots. So you know,
Boise State, Arizona State last season, they wouldn't get buys
in this new model. Why are we here and how
did we get here?
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Well, we're here because the SEC and the Big Ten
kind of wanted it basically, and the other ten or
the other eight conferences in Notre Dame agreed to the change.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
I view it kind of as.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
The Oregon rule, right because Oregon just had a you
could call it the Poison State rule too. But you know,
the way it worked out for Oregon is they ended
up playing their the one seed, but they weren't playing
the eight seed. Ohio State was better than that, but
because of the way they had formatted everything, the Ducks
ended up playing a.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
Better team than they should have drawn.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Now we're gonna get twelve teams ranked the last after
the conference championships, and the seeding will correlate directly to
the ranking. It's gonna be the same format with the
top four seeds get buys in the opening round, but
those could be all four teams from the same conference,
or it could be two from the SEC and two
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from the Big Ten. No longer are the highest ranked
conference champions awarded automatically the top four seeds.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
And I think that was a smart move.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, no, I think there is potential for danger if
those teams do come from all one conference, if we
end up in that regard. But you're all right, as
you alluded to, I mean, the Oregon rule was a
perfect way to say it, you know, in the sense
of well, I mean last season, they would have ended
up facing not the winner of Ohio State Tennessee, they
would have faced you know what was it, like Indiana
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or Boise State or somewhere in the the next round.
So it definitely comes at a good time for US.
John Wilner's with US San Jose Mercury News Wilner Howland,
the baron of the Big Ten as we now call him.
And you know, your first comment there was about how
much the Big Ten the SEC wanted this, And one
of the big things that I'm kind of reading on
social media is how much Greg sant sank excuse me,
(03:08):
the SEC commissioner is going off right now. He says
he's all open minded about the format, but it certainly
sounds like he is pushing hard and desperately once four
guaranteed spots in the playoff to go to the SEC.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Well, this is the hottest topick in college sports right
now is the format of the playoff starting in twenty
twenty six, So we got one more year. This upcoming
season is going to be twelve teams, but then starting
in twenty six it could be anything, and it looks
like it's going to be sixteen teams. And the SEC
and Big Ten seem to favor a model where they
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would each get four automatic bids. No matter what happens
during the regular season, they would have four and each
have four spots. The ACC and the Big twelve would
have two each. Then there'd be one for the top
group of five and one at large so or three
at large sorry, and Notre Dame would have access to
(04:07):
one of those at larges.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
So basically, the SEC.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
And Big Ten are trying to, you know, preserve spots
ahead of time, regardless of what the results say.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
And the reason they're doing that is they don't trust
the committee.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
They want to add games during the regular season. The
Big Ten wants to add a crossover game against the SEC.
The SEC wants to add a ninth conference game in
addition to the Big Ten matchup. They both want to
add play in games on conference championship weekend.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
All of these things are designed to get more TV money, but.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
All of them also could result in more losses, and
because they don't trust the committee with giving, you know,
way to strengthen schedule as opposed to loss totals, they're
trying to basically insulate themselves from that problem by creating
automatic bids. That's kind of a long way of saying it,
(05:05):
but it's all about getting more money out of regular
season TV games and then protecting yourself from having extra losses.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
John Wilner with us, and I just hope they have
a better name than the four four one two three
model that's being described in all these various numbers. That
there's got to be better names for these things. But
at the end of the day, they should call it.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
They should call it, I'm sorry interrupt, the Tony Pettitti model,
because it's really even though Greg Sankie from the SEC
has been taking a lot of heat in public and
talked about it the other day, it's really the Big
tens idea. Uh, but Tony Pettiti, the Big ten commissioner,
has not been basically in a public forum where he
(05:51):
is forced to answer questions from the media. Sanki has
been in public and so he's kind of taken the
heat for some.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
That was really the Big tens idea.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
A TD model. I like that, John, If you were king,
what would you do? What would be your model?
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Well, I would not go to sixteen. I kind of
like what. I like twelve. I thought it was great.
I do think they needed to switch the seeds and
the rankings, but I like twelve. I would not want
the I think that the buye is a.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Competitive disadvantage and again we saw that with Oregon. But
I like twelve.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
I think sixteen's too many. And here's the other piece.
Problem with sixteen is where do you play the extra games?
Because right now they have the four opening round games
are on the weekend before Christmas. That is also a
weekend where you've got three NFL games on Saturday plus
the NFL game on Thursday.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
You can't add four more games that weekend.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
So what they're trying to do, what they're talking about doing,
if they go to sixteen, is have like playing games
on what is now the weekend of the Army Navy
game and the Heisman. It's the second Saturday December. So
you'd have sixteen playing thirteen, and you'd have fourteen playing fifteen,
essentially as playing games to the main event, which would
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then start the following weekend. I think that's a terrible idea.
I don't think the college football public wants to see
a version of the first four that we get in basketball.
So that's a big issue with going to sixteen is
where do you play the game at extra games and.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
How do you format it.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I'm with you, I just there's just too much in
that regard. We already have NFL anyway, and I mean,
I'm with you, But at the same time, I mean,
the money's you're gonna speak, and the networks are gonna speak,
and if they want it and the money's there, then
no doubt they're gonna get it. John Wilner with us
San Jose a Mercury News Wilner Hotline as well. You
can follow him on Twitter at Wilner Hotline.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
John. I want to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
About as well, the fluidity with the draft specific for
college basketball players, because one of the things that I've
seen over the last couple of days Memphis is PJ.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Haggarty.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Also, I think today Alex Connon of Florida, they both said,
you know what, even though we kind of declared and
looked at the draft, we're going to go back to school.
And I think for PJ. Haggerty is actually gonna transfer
as well a Kansas State. But you know, it makes
me kind of happy because I see these guys kind
of saying, you know what, we did the homework. I
know we re looked deep into the draft, but we
said to ourselves, now, you know, this isn't time for me.
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I'm going to go back. And I kind of wish
that the NFL would follow suit. In the NCAA football
would follow suit where if a kid has the ability
to say, yeah, I'm gonna go to the draft, does
all the homework, Maybe let him go to the combine,
let him go deep into the process. But if you know,
a month before the draft he says, you know what,
this isn't gonna work for me, then.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Let him go back.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I guess I look at the shdur Sanders case and
in so many other cases and I say, why not
let the kids go back if they figure out after
the whole process that they screwed up.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Well, I think we're going to eventually get there with
the NFL, and I think that we're going to get
to the point and it may take a few years
where you can actually be drafted and then go back
to school and decide, you know what, I'm just going back.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
I'm just going back in. You know, the.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
NFL is a little different because you have to have
three year you have to be three years out of
high school, right.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Whereas in the NBA is only one year.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
A lot of this is based on the collective arguing
agreements at the pro level more than it is at
the you know anything, at the college level.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
But I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
I think the NFL and the NCAA should let a
player declare for the draft, which is usually right around
January twentieth, and then go through the process, certainly go
through the combine, right at least get through Indianapolis in
late February, and then have the option to come back
to school.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
I think that that's, you know, perfectly reasonable.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
It would complicate an already difficult situation for coaches with
their roster management though, because of the transfer portal, right,
I mean, it's already hard enough, and then you've got,
you know, five guys who are.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Say they're leaving, and then they want to come back,
you know. So there may be pushback from coaches, but
I think that in.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Fairness, the courts will eventually somebody's gonna challenge that it
will eventually rule in favor of the players.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Speaking of courts, John, where we stand with the House
Settlement case.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Everybody's waiting for the judge. It's amazing.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
College sports is basically on hold while everyone waits for
a judge in the Northern District of California to issue
her ruling on this the House Settlement, And the presumption
is that she is going.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
To approve it.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
But if she doesn't, it's just gonna be complete lawlessness,
and I don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
At that point.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
State rules will take take over and schools will probably
just start playing paying their players, even though it's not
technically an lay rule, because this state law would supersede
anything else.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
But everyone's hoping she does approve it.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
It would lend a little bit of order and it
would allow them to begin this NIL enforcement arm that
they're trying to implement by which you know, an NIL
deal would have to get approved as fair market value
by Deloitte, and if it's not, then there's gonna be
an enforcement arm that could potentially penalize the school or
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the player for a deal that's above fair market value.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Geez, the legs of that and how that connects And
you mentioned NIL and it sort of connects back to
the previous question. You know, the details of sdur Sanders
first year or first four year contract with the Cleveland
Browns came out where he's over the next four years
he's gonna be making only four point six million dollars,
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making nine hundred and fifty two thousand dollars in the
first year of this rookie deal with the Browns. That
compared to an estimated five point one million dollars in
NIL his deals last year with Colorado. I mean, for
a guy like Shadur, that is a definite warning sign.
I think it's a nice warning sign to maybe give
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a lesson to players like him. Off boy, if you
have a cushy deal, why take the even if you
have a few pole saying you're gonna be a first
round pick. Why take the risk if you have that
kind of NIL money.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
No, for sure.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Now he his particular situation, right, Obviously the family does
not need the money.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
But there's a lot of guys for whom that does apply.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
And we've seen the numbers come down in terms of
how many players are declaring early for the NFL Draft
and how many underclassmen are leaving early for the NBA draft.
In both cases, the numbers are down from where they
were three or four years ago before.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
The nil era began.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Lots of kids borderline first round. You know, NFL if
your borderline day so two day three, they're coming back.
And it's in a lot of cases it's smart, work
on your game and get get some money, yeah, and
position yourself for the future in a much more stable situation.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
You no longer have to jump to get the bag
of for sure. John Wilner is with.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Us, and you can come back to college and go
to a different school.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
If you don't like the system in you, if you
don't like the coach, if you don't like the place
you're living, you can transfer and make it.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I mean, that's what PJ. Haggerty's doing.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Right declared for the NBA Draft, said nah, I'm gonna
stay in college, and then says, yeah, but I don't
like Memphis.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I'm gonna go to Kansas State.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
I mean, well, another kid's doing that, Darian Williams, who
was a really good player for Texas Tech. He came
back from the NBA Draft and he's going to transfer
to NC State.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Yeah. So multiple cases of that for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, exactly, And maybe you get a few more bucks
by transferring. It's just the freedom to athletes right now.
But again we're you know, the waiting for the House
settlement case to see you know, what happens there with
that judge will certainly change things. John, Before I let
you go, I saw that you did a deep dive
into the financials of the PAC twelve. You covered the
revenue plunge or relocation costs, executive pays. You said, quote,
(14:08):
the seeds of destruction are everywhere. How bad is it
for the PAC twelve.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Well, it was bad.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
And just to be clear to listeners, this was for
the twenty twenty four fiscal year, so fall at twenty
three spring of twenty four. It was the last year
of the PAC twelve before the ten schools scattered, and
that year included the ten departing schools having to contribute
six and a half million bucks each to Washington State
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and Oregon State included some of the damage financial damage
from that Comcast over payment scandal. It included costs that
the PAC twelve had to shutter the office in San Francisco.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
And move to the East Bay.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
So the end result is that, you know, the Washington's
and Oregons and USC's and Utah's, they have a lot
less revenue in conference revenue compared to their peers in
their new conferences in FY twenty four, kind of putting
them further behind on that front, making budgets even tighter.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
John, before we wrap really quick, because we were going
to play this clip earlier on the show. We didn't
end up having time. Petro's Papadoccus, our good friend who
is on our show tomorrow at four o'clock. I know
he was on Gonzano's podcast last week. He's pretty angry
right now because of Lincoln'reiley trying to wiggle his way
out of the rivalry with Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
I guess a what is Lincoln'reiley doing?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Seeing as how that seems to be a rivalry that's
good for college football? Or is he just at the
point saying, listen, we know Notre Dame is the better organization.
We don't want to play him anymore.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Yeah, you know, I love Petros and I get where
he's coming from.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
But I think that a lot of this is rooted
in the AQ situation. And we talked about earlier. Right,
if they're if.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
USC, if the Big Ten has four automatic qualifier spots,
then it doesn't matter how many non conference losses USC has, Right,
all that matters is where they finish in the standings.
But if they're no a ques, then all of a sudden,
USC is playing at a competitive disadvantage to its peers. Now,
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a lot of USC fans, including Petros, would say, we
just we care about that rivalry so much nothing else matters.
But a lot of people would say that the playoff
is more important than any single game, and USC is
damaging its playoff chances by playing Notre Dame, especially if
the Big Ten and the SEC agree to a crossover deal.
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All of a sudden, in that case, USC is playing
non conference games, they're playing Notre Dame, and they're playing
Mississippi or LSU or Florida as well, and it's going
to be awfully tough if there's no a Q bid
for them to ever get in the playoffs and s
he's gotta take a long, hard look at that because
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making the playoff is everything.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, exactly, That's where the money is, that's where the
big games are, it's where the trophies are, and you know, yeah,
that sort of makes sense. Well, Petros is obviously very angry.
We'll hear that anger tomorrow at.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Four o'clock as well. John.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It's been a pleasure to talk to you for more
than thirty seconds this time and actually get a nice
conversation with you.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Appreciate your time.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Have you heard from softee coffee sipping tea right now?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I think he's having a cocktail in Santorini, I think
before he's going to London tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
So how about that?
Speaker 6 (17:36):
All right? I'm glad he's enjoying himself.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Oh, he certainly certainly is. I hope to talk to
you soon, John. We'll talk to you next Tuesday as usual.
You'll have Dick Fane back I believe Softye back as
well for.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
That next week.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Thanks a lot, Jackson Thanks John John Wilner, San Jose
Mercury News Willner Hotline. Follow him on Twitter at Wilner Hotline.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
John Wilner of the Wilner Hotline, San Jose Mercury News.
I'm in for Dave Softymuller and Dick Fane. Hi, my
name is Jackson Felts. John, I get to talk to
you for more than thirty seconds for the first time.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
How are you, buddy.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
I'm great, Jackson.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
I feel like I have upgraded from economy class to
business class.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I am delighted to join you.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, you're not at first class yet. We're not going
to give you that much legroom, but we are going
to give you enough. We're not gonna play the what
you're talking about, Wilner sound effect. We're not gonna clown you, cause, John,
we have business to get to.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
We have a lot to talk about.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Man. It's it's been a while since we talked to you,
and the last time we did, there was not a
new model for the college football playoffs straight seeding. Top
four teams get the top four spots. So you know,
Boise State, Arizona State last season, they wouldn't get buys
in this new model. Why are we here and how
did we get here?
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Well, we're here because the SEC and the Big Ten
kind of wanted it basically, and the other ten or
the other eight conferences in Notre Dame agreed to the change.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
I view it kind of as.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
The Oregon rule, right because Oregon just had a you
could call it the Poison State rule too. But you know,
the way it worked out for Oregon is they ended
up playing their the one seed, but they weren't playing
the eight seed. Ohio State was better than that, but
because of the way they had formatted everything, the Ducks
ended up playing a.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
Better team than they should have drawn.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Now we're gonna get twelve teams ranked the last after
the conference championships, and the seeding will correlate directly to
the ranking. It's gonna be the same format with the
top four seeds get buys in the opening round, but
those could be all four teams from the same conference,
or it could be two from the SEC and two
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from the Big Ten. No longer are the highest ranked
conference champions awarded automatically the top four seeds.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
And I think that was a smart move.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, no, I think there is potential for danger if
those teams do come from all one conference, if we
end up in that regard. But you're all right, as
you alluded to, I mean, the Oregon rule was a
perfect way to say it, you know, in the sense
of well, I mean last season, they would have ended
up facing not the winner of Ohio State Tennessee, they
would have faced you know what was it, like Indiana
(02:46):
or Boise State or somewhere in the the next round.
So it definitely comes at a good time for US.
John Wilner's with US San Jose Mercury News Wilner Howland,
the baron of the Big Ten as we now call him.
And you know, your first comment there was about how
much the Big Ten the SEC wanted this, And one
of the big things that I'm kind of reading on
social media is how much Greg sant sank excuse me,
(03:08):
the SEC commissioner is going off right now. He says
he's all open minded about the format, but it certainly
sounds like he is pushing hard and desperately once four
guaranteed spots in the playoff to go to the SEC.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Well, this is the hottest topick in college sports right
now is the format of the playoff starting in twenty
twenty six, So we got one more year. This upcoming
season is going to be twelve teams, but then starting
in twenty six it could be anything, and it looks
like it's going to be sixteen teams. And the SEC
and Big Ten seem to favor a model where they
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would each get four automatic bids. No matter what happens
during the regular season, they would have four and each
have four spots. The ACC and the Big twelve would
have two each. Then there'd be one for the top
group of five and one at large so or three
at large sorry, and Notre Dame would have access to
(04:07):
one of those at larges.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
So basically, the SEC.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
And Big Ten are trying to, you know, preserve spots
ahead of time, regardless of what the results say.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
And the reason they're doing that is they don't trust
the committee.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
They want to add games during the regular season. The
Big Ten wants to add a crossover game against the SEC.
The SEC wants to add a ninth conference game in
addition to the Big Ten matchup. They both want to
add play in games on conference championship weekend.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
All of these things are designed to get more TV money, but.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
All of them also could result in more losses, and
because they don't trust the committee with giving, you know,
way to strengthen schedule as opposed to loss totals, they're
trying to basically insulate themselves from that problem by creating
automatic bids. That's kind of a long way of saying it,
(05:05):
but it's all about getting more money out of regular
season TV games and then protecting yourself from having extra losses.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
John Wilner with us, and I just hope they have
a better name than the four four one two three
model that's being described in all these various numbers. That
there's got to be better names for these things. But
at the end of the day, they should call it.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
They should call it, I'm sorry interrupt, the Tony Pettitti model,
because it's really even though Greg Sankie from the SEC
has been taking a lot of heat in public and
talked about it the other day, it's really the Big
tens idea. Uh, but Tony Pettiti, the Big ten commissioner,
has not been basically in a public forum where he
(05:51):
is forced to answer questions from the media. Sanki has
been in public and so he's kind of taken the
heat for some.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
That was really the Big tens idea.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
A TD model. I like that, John, If you were king,
what would you do? What would be your model?
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Well, I would not go to sixteen. I kind of
like what. I like twelve. I thought it was great.
I do think they needed to switch the seeds and
the rankings, but I like twelve. I would not want
the I think that the buye is a.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Competitive disadvantage and again we saw that with Oregon. But
I like twelve.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
I think sixteen's too many. And here's the other piece.
Problem with sixteen is where do you play the extra games?
Because right now they have the four opening round games
are on the weekend before Christmas. That is also a
weekend where you've got three NFL games on Saturday plus
the NFL game on Thursday.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
You can't add four more games that weekend.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
So what they're trying to do, what they're talking about doing,
if they go to sixteen, is have like playing games
on what is now the weekend of the Army Navy
game and the Heisman. It's the second Saturday December. So
you'd have sixteen playing thirteen, and you'd have fourteen playing fifteen,
essentially as playing games to the main event, which would
(07:16):
then start the following weekend. I think that's a terrible idea.
I don't think the college football public wants to see
a version of the first four that we get in basketball.
So that's a big issue with going to sixteen is
where do you play the game at extra games and.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
How do you format it.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I'm with you, I just there's just too much in
that regard. We already have NFL anyway, and I mean,
I'm with you, But at the same time, I mean,
the money's you're gonna speak, and the networks are gonna speak,
and if they want it and the money's there, then
no doubt they're gonna get it. John Wilner with us
San Jose a Mercury News Wilner Hotline as well. You
can follow him on Twitter at Wilner Hotline.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
John. I want to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
About as well, the fluidity with the draft specific for
college basketball players, because one of the things that I've
seen over the last couple of days Memphis is PJ.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Haggarty.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Also, I think today Alex Connon of Florida, they both said,
you know what, even though we kind of declared and
looked at the draft, we're going to go back to school.
And I think for PJ. Haggerty is actually gonna transfer
as well a Kansas State. But you know, it makes
me kind of happy because I see these guys kind
of saying, you know what, we did the homework. I
know we re looked deep into the draft, but we
said to ourselves, now, you know, this isn't time for me.
(08:29):
I'm going to go back. And I kind of wish
that the NFL would follow suit. In the NCAA football
would follow suit where if a kid has the ability
to say, yeah, I'm gonna go to the draft, does
all the homework, Maybe let him go to the combine,
let him go deep into the process. But if you know,
a month before the draft he says, you know what,
this isn't gonna work for me, then.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Let him go back.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I guess I look at the shdur Sanders case and
in so many other cases and I say, why not
let the kids go back if they figure out after
the whole process that they screwed up.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Well, I think we're going to eventually get there with
the NFL, and I think that we're going to get
to the point and it may take a few years
where you can actually be drafted and then go back
to school and decide, you know what, I'm just going back.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
I'm just going back in. You know, the.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
NFL is a little different because you have to have
three year you have to be three years out of
high school, right.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Whereas in the NBA is only one year.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
A lot of this is based on the collective arguing
agreements at the pro level more than it is at
the you know anything, at the college level.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
But I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
I think the NFL and the NCAA should let a
player declare for the draft, which is usually right around
January twentieth, and then go through the process, certainly go
through the combine, right at least get through Indianapolis in
late February, and then have the option to come back
to school.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
I think that that's, you know, perfectly reasonable.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
It would complicate an already difficult situation for coaches with
their roster management though, because of the transfer portal, right,
I mean, it's already hard enough, and then you've got,
you know, five guys who are.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Say they're leaving, and then they want to come back,
you know. So there may be pushback from coaches, but
I think that in.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Fairness, the courts will eventually somebody's gonna challenge that it
will eventually rule in favor of the players.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Speaking of courts, John, where we stand with the House
Settlement case.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Everybody's waiting for the judge. It's amazing.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
College sports is basically on hold while everyone waits for
a judge in the Northern District of California to issue
her ruling on this the House Settlement, And the presumption
is that she is going.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
To approve it.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
But if she doesn't, it's just gonna be complete lawlessness,
and I don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
At that point.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
State rules will take take over and schools will probably
just start playing paying their players, even though it's not
technically an lay rule, because this state law would supersede
anything else.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
But everyone's hoping she does approve it.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
It would lend a little bit of order and it
would allow them to begin this NIL enforcement arm that
they're trying to implement by which you know, an NIL
deal would have to get approved as fair market value
by Deloitte, and if it's not, then there's gonna be
an enforcement arm that could potentially penalize the school or
(11:29):
the player for a deal that's above fair market value.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Geez, the legs of that and how that connects And
you mentioned NIL and it sort of connects back to
the previous question. You know, the details of sdur Sanders
first year or first four year contract with the Cleveland
Browns came out where he's over the next four years
he's gonna be making only four point six million dollars,
(11:55):
making nine hundred and fifty two thousand dollars in the
first year of this rookie deal with the Browns. That
compared to an estimated five point one million dollars in
NIL his deals last year with Colorado. I mean, for
a guy like Shadur, that is a definite warning sign.
I think it's a nice warning sign to maybe give
(12:15):
a lesson to players like him. Off boy, if you
have a cushy deal, why take the even if you
have a few pole saying you're gonna be a first
round pick. Why take the risk if you have that
kind of NIL money.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
No, for sure.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Now he his particular situation, right, Obviously the family does
not need the money.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
But there's a lot of guys for whom that does apply.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
And we've seen the numbers come down in terms of
how many players are declaring early for the NFL Draft
and how many underclassmen are leaving early for the NBA draft.
In both cases, the numbers are down from where they
were three or four years ago before.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
The nil era began.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Lots of kids borderline first round. You know, NFL if
your borderline day so two day three, they're coming back.
And it's in a lot of cases it's smart, work
on your game and get get some money, yeah, and
position yourself for the future in a much more stable situation.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
You no longer have to jump to get the bag
of for sure. John Wilner is with.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Us, and you can come back to college and go
to a different school.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
If you don't like the system in you, if you
don't like the coach, if you don't like the place
you're living, you can transfer and make it.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I mean, that's what PJ. Haggerty's doing.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Right declared for the NBA Draft, said nah, I'm gonna
stay in college, and then says, yeah, but I don't
like Memphis.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I'm gonna go to Kansas State.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
I mean, well, another kid's doing that, Darian Williams, who
was a really good player for Texas Tech. He came
back from the NBA Draft and he's going to transfer
to NC State.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Yeah. So multiple cases of that for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, exactly, And maybe you get a few more bucks
by transferring. It's just the freedom to athletes right now.
But again we're you know, the waiting for the House
settlement case to see you know, what happens there with
that judge will certainly change things. John, Before I let
you go, I saw that you did a deep dive
into the financials of the PAC twelve. You covered the
revenue plunge or relocation costs, executive pays. You said, quote,
(14:08):
the seeds of destruction are everywhere. How bad is it
for the PAC twelve.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Well, it was bad.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
And just to be clear to listeners, this was for
the twenty twenty four fiscal year, so fall at twenty
three spring of twenty four. It was the last year
of the PAC twelve before the ten schools scattered, and
that year included the ten departing schools having to contribute
six and a half million bucks each to Washington State
(14:38):
and Oregon State included some of the damage financial damage
from that Comcast over payment scandal. It included costs that
the PAC twelve had to shutter the office in San Francisco.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
And move to the East Bay.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
So the end result is that, you know, the Washington's
and Oregons and USC's and Utah's, they have a lot
less revenue in conference revenue compared to their peers in
their new conferences in FY twenty four, kind of putting
them further behind on that front, making budgets even tighter.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
John, before we wrap really quick, because we were going
to play this clip earlier on the show. We didn't
end up having time. Petro's Papadoccus, our good friend who
is on our show tomorrow at four o'clock. I know
he was on Gonzano's podcast last week. He's pretty angry
right now because of Lincoln'reiley trying to wiggle his way
out of the rivalry with Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
I guess a what is Lincoln'reiley doing?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Seeing as how that seems to be a rivalry that's
good for college football? Or is he just at the
point saying, listen, we know Notre Dame is the better organization.
We don't want to play him anymore.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Yeah, you know, I love Petros and I get where
he's coming from.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
But I think that a lot of this is rooted
in the AQ situation. And we talked about earlier. Right,
if they're if.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
USC, if the Big Ten has four automatic qualifier spots,
then it doesn't matter how many non conference losses USC has, Right,
all that matters is where they finish in the standings.
But if they're no a ques, then all of a sudden,
USC is playing at a competitive disadvantage to its peers. Now,
(16:23):
a lot of USC fans, including Petros, would say, we
just we care about that rivalry so much nothing else matters.
But a lot of people would say that the playoff
is more important than any single game, and USC is
damaging its playoff chances by playing Notre Dame, especially if
the Big Ten and the SEC agree to a crossover deal.
(16:45):
All of a sudden, in that case, USC is playing
non conference games, they're playing Notre Dame, and they're playing
Mississippi or LSU or Florida as well, and it's going
to be awfully tough if there's no a Q bid
for them to ever get in the playoffs and s
he's gotta take a long, hard look at that because
(17:06):
making the playoff is everything.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, exactly, That's where the money is, that's where the
big games are, it's where the trophies are, and you know, yeah,
that sort of makes sense. Well, Petros is obviously very angry.
We'll hear that anger tomorrow at.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Four o'clock as well. John.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It's been a pleasure to talk to you for more
than thirty seconds this time and actually get a nice
conversation with you.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Appreciate your time.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Have you heard from softee coffee sipping tea right now?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I think he's having a cocktail in Santorini, I think
before he's going to London tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
So how about that?
Speaker 6 (17:36):
All right? I'm glad he's enjoying himself.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Oh, he certainly certainly is. I hope to talk to
you soon, John. We'll talk to you next Tuesday as usual.
You'll have Dick Fane back I believe Softye back as
well for.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
That next week.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Thanks a lot, Jackson Thanks John John Wilner, San Jose
Mercury News Willner Hotline. Follow him on Twitter at Wilner Hotline.
He's our burying of the Big Ten. Always great information.
We'll switch back to Mariners here on Sports Radio ninety
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