November 19, 2024 • 18 mins
Jon Wilner of The San Jose Mercury News and Wilner Hotline joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about the Big Ten tiebreakers timeline, Jedd Fisch’s comments at the start of the year, what UW should do at quarterback, WSU facing OSU, and Boise.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for our weekly PAC twelve conversation with Senos
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, kudos to everybody in the text line who knew
that was a total recall reference. By the way, all right,
quaid with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Very underrated, cheesy as hell movie
from back in the eighties. But you haven't seen Falling Down, Dude,
You got to see Falling Down? Would like annoying Jackson's
sense of humor. I think he would like basically about
a guy that just snaps and has just had enough
(00:41):
of everybody, every freaking shotgun down street.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Watch it.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Joining us right now in the radio program, a guy
who's definitely had enough of everything. Our friend John Wilner,
courtesy is simply Seattle dot com.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Johnny, how are you man?
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Good?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I was gonna tell you it was total recall, but
here you go. Listeners beat me to it.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
They did they did beat you to it. Congratulations on
the win. Last week. Took air force and they annihilated
Oregon State. So we'll go for two in a row
on Wilner's winner in a matter of minutes. But John Canzano,
your podcast partner, was on with us a couple hours ago.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
And he made a good point.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
He said, if this was the PAC twelve announcing on
a Tuesday that, hey, oh by the way, yeah, USC's
in the PAC twelve championship game already, people would give
them so much crap.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Your head would spin. What happened today?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
And why did it take the Big Ten until today
to figure this out?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I mean I just kind of assumed organ had clinched Anyhow,
I don't know that it was really a big news, right.
I think it's because they you know, they got eighteen teams.
You have eighteen teams none conference games. Everybody misses eight others.
Oregon's not playing Indiana, Indiana's not playing Penn State. Penn State,
it's not playing Oregon. It's confusing. I don't know for
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sure that the Big Ten actually spent three days trying
to figure it out, as opposed to somebody just saying
to them Hey, we ought to announce it, and so
they got around to announcing it. I didn't sense that
there was any you know, great clamor on Sunday or
Monday to know the situation.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
John, Do you think there's any confusion in Dan Lanning's
mind over who's starting at quarterback for Washington? You think
he's got a pretty good idea who's starting.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I think he thinks he knows, but I don't know
if that's correct. You know, it certainly serves Washington's purposes
to create as much uncertainty as possible given how different
the two players are with their skill sets.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Right, Absolutely, I agree with that. So I, John, gotta
tell you all I've been hearing all day long, is
Dick Vane complained about how much you hate Washington.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
He's like, what is going on now?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Every break, you know, every time I see a tweet
he's doing this, or he's saying this, or he's saying that.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I mean, you tell him what trouble you know? I can't.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Yes, I came off this week, John, proud of my team.
They got to a bowl game. They the defense has
been really good for a good chunk of the year,
and so I'm reading your tweet. I read the headline
that you dub was not ready for prime time in
the Big Ten. I'm like, Okay, I'm not gonna blame
John for the headlines because columnists don't write headline So
I'm going to read the story before I jumped the conclusions.
(03:22):
And I honestly don't think it's fair to start an
article with a quote from Fish saying the ability to
compete every year for championships, and then you say, fast
forward to the end of the year and the Huskies
are nowhere near the top. I mean, no, duh, right,
I mean you picked them eleventh. So I'm wondering what
the purpose of the article was other than just to
kind of dump on a team that actually overperformed your expectations.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Ahi, John, your rebuttal go ahead.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Well, I don't think they've overperformed my expectations yet. I don't.
I haven't looked at the standings, but if they're four
and five, they're probably gonna be somewhere, you know, in
this massive tie for ninth to tenth. I you know,
I would just say they weren't ready, and they didn't.
My guess is that Fish would tell you they didn't
(04:09):
play to the goal he has for them. Now, is
it a Was it a realistic goal this first year,
given all the roster turnover? I don't know, but I
think the Washington standard is to compete for a title
in the Big Ten every year, and they didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
There's no question that wasn't the goal.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
This right by anybody, and that would be my point
I guess is that was it fair to expect that
Washington would be ready this year to compete with the
elite of the Big Ten?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I mean, I don't know. I didn't think so, But
don't you guys tell me what did you think? What
did the Husky fans think? You know, I didn't think
Washington was ready, but I don't know what the vibe
is up there.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I thought they'd be a six and six, seven and
five football team from the start, Yes, and that's exactly
what they are. I think it's fair, if you're being
obviously literal, to say Washington is not ready yet to
compete with the elite of the Big Ten. That is
accurate on today's date, November the nineteenth. They are not
ready yet to compete with Penn State, Ohio State, Oregon, Indiana, whatever,
(05:17):
They're not there yet. But I also think that context
is important. When you lose fifty guys and you've got
all these brand new coaches and brand new players, I
don't think anybody expected them to be ready for that now.
If we're sitting here in a year from now and
they're still getting pushed around by the elites of the
Big Ten, I think at that point you got a
little bit of a problem, and you're wondering when will
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this happen. Then the heat I think gets turned up
a little bit. I know there are some people that
are sour with Fish for some other reasons, maybe than
what's happening on the field. But I guess your expectations
for you, doub weren't very high this year either, because
you picked them eleventh in the Big Ten. So nobody
can be surprised by what UB's doing right now, right.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I mean I wasn't, but I don't know. I don't
know what a general Husky fan was. I thought that
they were gonna have several years potentially to get up
to to compete for a title. But here's the one
thing though, that you could argue Indiana, India has got
a new coach. Indiana's got a sun Belt roster, and
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Indiana is what ten and zero, So it is not
You're not, you know, necessarily relegate automatically relegated to a
five hundred season if you have roster turnover. Now Washington
had a lot of roster turnover and a new coach,
But you can do it. I'm not saying, you know,
(06:45):
Fish did a bad job this year. I think Fish
did a fine job this year. I think his offense
was not as good as his defense. Uh, but I
have no problem with the job fished it. It's just
clear to me that they are not ready clearly not.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
I just think it's independing on how you spin it.
And you obviously spun it one way and talked about
that their all their wins were over nobodies and all
their losses were over good teams, and then.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
That's that's a fact.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
But you could also spin it and say all their
wins were by double digits except for one and two
of their losses were on the final play of the game,
and they had to go on the road to three
top ten teams.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
So it's like Oregon have to do that. Who else
in the Big ten had to do that. Nobody had
to do that.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
So Washington literally had the hardest road schedule in the
Big Ten and almost, I mean, is a whisker away
from being eight and three right now.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah, Willner, how's that taste?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yes, they the Big Ten kind of screwed them with
the schedule. I agree. They're the only one of the
four West Coast teams that had to go across the
country four times. I don't know how that happened. And
I don't know if that is like a regular piece
of the schedule rotation or not. I'm just judging them
on how they did, and they did. You know, they
(08:01):
got beat badly my Iowa, pretty badly by Indiana with
a backup quarterback. Yeah, very badly at Penn State. I
think that they're probably gonna my guess is they're they're
going to get beat pretty badly this week. We'll see,
but they You know, there's a big difference between the
top and where Washington.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Is now, no question right now.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
And the thing is each time, correct me if I'm wrong.
But I don't think did the Hussies even score twenty
points in any of their road No?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
No, no, they did not.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
No, So that's it's clear what's going on.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
The defense played very well almost every game except maybe
Penn State, right, but the offense just couldn't get to
that next level once they left Montley.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Well, John Wilner is with us.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Courtesy is simply as Seattle and Dick asked about you know,
does Landing know what you Dub is going to do?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
What do you think they should do?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Is it time to bench will Rogers, who's making three
quarters of a million bucks, to be at you, Dub,
he's the second all time leading passer in the history
of the SEC, in favor of an eighteen year old kid,
and give him his first start at Austin Stadium in
eleven days from now.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
What would you do?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I would not start him in that environment against that team,
but I would have a lot of packages and I'd
be ready to switch to him as the full time
quarterback if Rodgers struggles early. But man, you're asking a
lot for put him in that environment and one mistake
(09:31):
early and all of a sudden, it's just a tornado.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
What do you think of what you've seen from Demond Williams.
I mean when he's come in, I mean his QBR
is off the charts. His completion percentages off the charts,
and I don't know if you saw the two escape
runs that he had against UCLA, but I think there's
a lot of Husky fans that think they might have
like a second coming at Kyler Murray with this kid.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Oh yeah, it was very impressive. If he can, you know,
get to the point where he can be accurate regularly
from the pocket, he's gonna be a terrific quarterback. There's
no doubt about that. You could see why they would
play him and you know, give him packages in each game.
They want to keep him around. Obviously, I think he's
(10:15):
got a ton of talent. There's no doubt. It's hard
to say now you know totally project what he's gonna be,
but you gotta like what you've seen so far.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
What'd you make of what Jake Dickard said the other
day where he talked about Oregon State, he said, they're
not our buddy, they're not our pal. They would have
left us as fast as we would have left them
if we could have What do you make of what
Jake Dickardon said?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Honesty was fantastic because that is absolutely the truth. Realignment,
isn't we talked about this. It is entirely about self interest.
If Washington had chanced to go to the Big Twelve,
they would have left Oregon State behind and vice versa.
And the both schools know it. Everybody knows it, and
they got put together out of circumstances and they made
the best of it. But Lily Dickert said exactly the truth.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
John, what do you think of Oregon's scheduling, whether or
not they're fully prepared for the playoffs? I mean, we
talked about how hard the Huskies road schedule was. I
mean Oregon went to OSU, UCLA, Purdue, Michigan, and Wisconsin
and they almost lost to Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Well, I think that the Big Ten championship game is
going to basically be a de facto road game for
them because I'm expecting it. It'll be against Ohio State
and they'll be you know, ninety percent Buckeye fans there
in Indianapolis, So to me, that will help. But if
they win the Big Ten, then they are playing in
the quarterfinals in neutral site bowl games, and it would
(11:46):
probably be the Rose Bowl because the committee is bound
to put the conference champs in the bowls affiliated with
those conferences, So the Big Ten champs go on the
Rose Bowl. If that's Oregon, they're gonna have a home
you know, they'll have a lot of support, is there
for sure? If they and they're not gonna have to
play a road game in the opening round because even
if they lose the Big Ten championship, they will be
(12:08):
seated high enough to have a home game at US
on December twenty first, So I don't know that they're
gonna face a real tough road environment at least through
the quarter finals.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So the CFP rankings just came out and the top
five are the same Oregon, Ohio State, Texas, Penn State, Indiana.
The big news is that Boise State is now the
fourth highest rank conference champion out of the Mountain West.
So they would actually get a buye and get to
host a game. No, they would not host a game.
(12:39):
They would go to a bowl game, correct, the second
rounds of bowl game?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Is that right? Yeah, they would get they would get
a buy in the opening round, and they would go
straight into the quarterfinals, which are at neutral site.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Right, correct, So they are the fourth highest rank conference champ.
What I'm trying to figure out is Georgia beats Tennessee
and moves up two spots. Alabama beats Mercer and moves
up three spots. I mean, is that someone just not
paying attention to what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
The Committee is mailing it in, especially with Georgia, the
fact that Georgia is seven spots behind Texas. Georgia beat
Texas a month ago in Austin by fifteen points. They
have three top twenty five wins, Texas has none, and
Texas is seven spots ahead of them. It's a complete joke.
(13:28):
And Georgia is the Canarian the coal mine for this
whole thing, because if they get hosed by the committee
because they have two losses, the SEC is going to
see that, and the SEC is gonna take its ball
and go home in the next couple of years and
create its own playoffs.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
We were talking about Boise there, and you wrote about
Boise this week and how much of a threat to
the Koogs and the Beeves they potentially could be as
a future power for conference selection.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Talk about that with us, Well, I.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Just think you know, they get into the pack, the
new PAC twelve. That's a really good football program, and
just like Gonzaga on the basketball side, the Pac twelve
is kind of invited a football and a basketball program
that are better than either Washington State or Oregon State's
football and basketball. And if Boise he comes in and
(14:22):
they win the conference regularly and they're going to the
playoff regularly as the Group of five winner, they're going
to be more attractive potentially to the Big twelve than
the Cougars or Beavers might be.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, how likely is it you think that Jake Dickert
is coaching somewhere else next year? I mean all I've
heard him do all year long is complain about nobody
coming to games. Yeah, right in Pullman, he's obviously a
two lost team that's got no shot of making the
playoff now after the lost to New Mexico, I would
kind of like to see him stay, to be honest
(14:55):
with you, but what are the odds that Jake Dickard
is coaching somewhere else next year?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
My gut is that they're increasing by the week. You know,
he's gonna I think he's gonna have some options because
this isn't it's not just this season, right. His sample
sizes multiple seasons of success in a tough gig, and
he's a Midwest guy, and I haven't like taken a
(15:21):
thorough look at what jobs might be open, but yeah,
he's gotta be frustrated. And it'll also be interesting to
see what happens with mateir right in if somebody comes
and makes a big offer for Matier and he leaves.
I don't know. I'm kind of getting the feeling that
it's more likely than not that Dicker might leave. But
(15:41):
we'll see.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Who'd you take, Bon Knicks or Dylan Gabriel? And who
would you take the twenty twenty three Ducks or the
twenty twenty four Ducks?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Ooh, I would all right, So I would take Nick
Silver Gabriel, Okay, but I would take the twenty four
Ducks because I think the defensive line is better. You
know that guy Derrick Harmon from the Michigan State Transfer,
He's the kind of run stopping, pocket collapsing force that
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the SEC powerhouses usually have. I don't know what he's
weighing in at three ten, three twenty, but that's the
kind of guy that's starting for an SEC defensive line
that wins the national championship. And Washington's going to have
to double team him, and he is a difference maker.
For the Ducks.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Hey, he also got his ass kick the last two
years by Washington playing for Michigan State, and now he's
doing it for Oregon. So we'll see what happens next
Saturday at Audstin Stadium.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
All right, you're back in the win column, baby.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Your four game losing streak is over air Force demolishing
Oregon State. Over the weekend, let's go for two in
a row. Buddy, Willner's winner is back on the path.
The man the Windalorean has returned. Well a vengeance. Who
do you like this weekend?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Buddy? I will take the Cougars. And I don't even
know what the footspread is, don't even care. Eight and
a half Beavers are what is it?
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Eight and a half?
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Oh yeah, the Beavers are in free fall. I didn't like.
They didn't have good body language, they didn't have good energy.
Their quarterback situation is a mess. That was a terrible,
terrible loss at air Force.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I think Oregon State is done, so I will take
the Cougars.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I'm sorry, it's actually twelve and a half. I apologize,
I say reading the wrong number. You like the Coups
minus the points?
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Okay? All right? I tend to agree with you.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Wazoo minus the twelve and a half is John's pick
for the week. All right, buddy, great stuff, and keep
pissing off Husky fans because it keeps driving Faine nuts
and keeps giving us content. So I appreciate that, right,
I don't want.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
To drive Fame nuts. Don't just I'm just call it
like I see it.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Why don't you guys just go out and get a
beer and you can talk it out.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Sounds that sound all right? And then Jackson I will
just hang out, all right, good stuff, John, we're talking
to ways body, see you man.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Thanks guys, all right.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
John Wilner with us likes the Cougars minus the twelve
and a half again the Beeves. Brian Schmitzer is going
to join us coming up by the way at five
point forty five tonight. And we didn't get to this
conversation that Chuck and Buck had with Mike with Jane's sterotor,
sorry this morning, regarding the Seahawk game.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
We can talk about that.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
And then Chuck himself has put up a bunch of
crystal ball predictions for the Mariners and he wants to
really blow up the Mariner roster. He'll join us at
six and explain why on ninety three three KJRFM
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, kudos to everybody in the text line who knew
that was a total recall reference. By the way, all right,
quaid with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Very underrated, cheesy as hell movie
from back in the eighties. But you haven't seen Falling Down, Dude,
You got to see Falling Down? Would like annoying Jackson's
sense of humor. I think he would like basically about
a guy that just snaps and has just had enough
(00:41):
of everybody, every freaking shotgun down street.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Watch it.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Joining us right now in the radio program, a guy
who's definitely had enough of everything. Our friend John Wilner,
courtesy is simply Seattle dot com.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Johnny, how are you man?
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Good?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I was gonna tell you it was total recall, but
here you go. Listeners beat me to it.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
They did they did beat you to it. Congratulations on
the win. Last week. Took air force and they annihilated
Oregon State. So we'll go for two in a row
on Wilner's winner in a matter of minutes. But John Canzano,
your podcast partner, was on with us a couple hours ago.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
And he made a good point.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
He said, if this was the PAC twelve announcing on
a Tuesday that, hey, oh by the way, yeah, USC's
in the PAC twelve championship game already, people would give
them so much crap.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Your head would spin. What happened today?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
And why did it take the Big Ten until today
to figure this out?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I mean I just kind of assumed organ had clinched Anyhow,
I don't know that it was really a big news, right.
I think it's because they you know, they got eighteen teams.
You have eighteen teams none conference games. Everybody misses eight others.
Oregon's not playing Indiana, Indiana's not playing Penn State. Penn State,
it's not playing Oregon. It's confusing. I don't know for
(01:57):
sure that the Big Ten actually spent three days trying
to figure it out, as opposed to somebody just saying
to them Hey, we ought to announce it, and so
they got around to announcing it. I didn't sense that
there was any you know, great clamor on Sunday or
Monday to know the situation.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
John, Do you think there's any confusion in Dan Lanning's
mind over who's starting at quarterback for Washington? You think
he's got a pretty good idea who's starting.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I think he thinks he knows, but I don't know
if that's correct. You know, it certainly serves Washington's purposes
to create as much uncertainty as possible given how different
the two players are with their skill sets.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Right, Absolutely, I agree with that. So I, John, gotta
tell you all I've been hearing all day long, is
Dick Vane complained about how much you hate Washington.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
He's like, what is going on now?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Every break, you know, every time I see a tweet
he's doing this, or he's saying this, or he's saying that.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I mean, you tell him what trouble you know? I can't.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Yes, I came off this week, John, proud of my team.
They got to a bowl game. They the defense has
been really good for a good chunk of the year,
and so I'm reading your tweet. I read the headline
that you dub was not ready for prime time in
the Big Ten. I'm like, Okay, I'm not gonna blame
John for the headlines because columnists don't write headline So
I'm going to read the story before I jumped the conclusions.
(03:22):
And I honestly don't think it's fair to start an
article with a quote from Fish saying the ability to
compete every year for championships, and then you say, fast
forward to the end of the year and the Huskies
are nowhere near the top. I mean, no, duh, right,
I mean you picked them eleventh. So I'm wondering what
the purpose of the article was other than just to
kind of dump on a team that actually overperformed your expectations.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Ahi, John, your rebuttal go ahead.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Well, I don't think they've overperformed my expectations yet. I don't.
I haven't looked at the standings, but if they're four
and five, they're probably gonna be somewhere, you know, in
this massive tie for ninth to tenth. I you know,
I would just say they weren't ready, and they didn't.
My guess is that Fish would tell you they didn't
(04:09):
play to the goal he has for them. Now, is
it a Was it a realistic goal this first year,
given all the roster turnover? I don't know, but I
think the Washington standard is to compete for a title
in the Big Ten every year, and they didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
There's no question that wasn't the goal.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
This right by anybody, and that would be my point
I guess is that was it fair to expect that
Washington would be ready this year to compete with the
elite of the Big Ten?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I mean, I don't know. I didn't think so, But
don't you guys tell me what did you think? What
did the Husky fans think? You know, I didn't think
Washington was ready, but I don't know what the vibe
is up there.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I thought they'd be a six and six, seven and
five football team from the start, Yes, and that's exactly
what they are. I think it's fair, if you're being
obviously literal, to say Washington is not ready yet to
compete with the elite of the Big Ten. That is
accurate on today's date, November the nineteenth. They are not
ready yet to compete with Penn State, Ohio State, Oregon, Indiana, whatever,
(05:17):
They're not there yet. But I also think that context
is important. When you lose fifty guys and you've got
all these brand new coaches and brand new players, I
don't think anybody expected them to be ready for that now.
If we're sitting here in a year from now and
they're still getting pushed around by the elites of the
Big Ten, I think at that point you got a
little bit of a problem, and you're wondering when will
(05:38):
this happen. Then the heat I think gets turned up
a little bit. I know there are some people that
are sour with Fish for some other reasons, maybe than
what's happening on the field. But I guess your expectations
for you, doub weren't very high this year either, because
you picked them eleventh in the Big Ten. So nobody
can be surprised by what UB's doing right now, right.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I mean I wasn't, but I don't know. I don't
know what a general Husky fan was. I thought that
they were gonna have several years potentially to get up
to to compete for a title. But here's the one
thing though, that you could argue Indiana, India has got
a new coach. Indiana's got a sun Belt roster, and
(06:23):
Indiana is what ten and zero, So it is not
You're not, you know, necessarily relegate automatically relegated to a
five hundred season if you have roster turnover. Now Washington
had a lot of roster turnover and a new coach,
But you can do it. I'm not saying, you know,
(06:45):
Fish did a bad job this year. I think Fish
did a fine job this year. I think his offense
was not as good as his defense. Uh, but I
have no problem with the job fished it. It's just
clear to me that they are not ready clearly not.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
I just think it's independing on how you spin it.
And you obviously spun it one way and talked about
that their all their wins were over nobodies and all
their losses were over good teams, and then.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
That's that's a fact.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
But you could also spin it and say all their
wins were by double digits except for one and two
of their losses were on the final play of the game,
and they had to go on the road to three
top ten teams.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
So it's like Oregon have to do that. Who else
in the Big ten had to do that. Nobody had
to do that.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
So Washington literally had the hardest road schedule in the
Big Ten and almost, I mean, is a whisker away
from being eight and three right now.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah, Willner, how's that taste?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yes, they the Big Ten kind of screwed them with
the schedule. I agree. They're the only one of the
four West Coast teams that had to go across the
country four times. I don't know how that happened. And
I don't know if that is like a regular piece
of the schedule rotation or not. I'm just judging them
on how they did, and they did. You know, they
(08:01):
got beat badly my Iowa, pretty badly by Indiana with
a backup quarterback. Yeah, very badly at Penn State. I
think that they're probably gonna my guess is they're they're
going to get beat pretty badly this week. We'll see,
but they You know, there's a big difference between the
top and where Washington.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Is now, no question right now.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
And the thing is each time, correct me if I'm wrong.
But I don't think did the Hussies even score twenty
points in any of their road No?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
No, no, they did not.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
No, So that's it's clear what's going on.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
The defense played very well almost every game except maybe
Penn State, right, but the offense just couldn't get to
that next level once they left Montley.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Well, John Wilner is with us.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Courtesy is simply as Seattle and Dick asked about you know,
does Landing know what you Dub is going to do?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
What do you think they should do?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Is it time to bench will Rogers, who's making three
quarters of a million bucks, to be at you, Dub,
he's the second all time leading passer in the history
of the SEC, in favor of an eighteen year old kid,
and give him his first start at Austin Stadium in
eleven days from now.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
What would you do?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I would not start him in that environment against that team,
but I would have a lot of packages and I'd
be ready to switch to him as the full time
quarterback if Rodgers struggles early. But man, you're asking a
lot for put him in that environment and one mistake
(09:31):
early and all of a sudden, it's just a tornado.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
What do you think of what you've seen from Demond Williams.
I mean when he's come in, I mean his QBR
is off the charts. His completion percentages off the charts,
and I don't know if you saw the two escape
runs that he had against UCLA, but I think there's
a lot of Husky fans that think they might have
like a second coming at Kyler Murray with this kid.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Oh yeah, it was very impressive. If he can, you know,
get to the point where he can be accurate regularly
from the pocket, he's gonna be a terrific quarterback. There's
no doubt about that. You could see why they would
play him and you know, give him packages in each game.
They want to keep him around. Obviously, I think he's
(10:15):
got a ton of talent. There's no doubt. It's hard
to say now you know totally project what he's gonna be,
but you gotta like what you've seen so far.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
What'd you make of what Jake Dickard said the other
day where he talked about Oregon State, he said, they're
not our buddy, they're not our pal. They would have
left us as fast as we would have left them
if we could have What do you make of what
Jake Dickardon said?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Honesty was fantastic because that is absolutely the truth. Realignment,
isn't we talked about this. It is entirely about self interest.
If Washington had chanced to go to the Big Twelve,
they would have left Oregon State behind and vice versa.
And the both schools know it. Everybody knows it, and
they got put together out of circumstances and they made
the best of it. But Lily Dickert said exactly the truth.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
John, what do you think of Oregon's scheduling, whether or
not they're fully prepared for the playoffs? I mean, we
talked about how hard the Huskies road schedule was. I
mean Oregon went to OSU, UCLA, Purdue, Michigan, and Wisconsin
and they almost lost to Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Well, I think that the Big Ten championship game is
going to basically be a de facto road game for
them because I'm expecting it. It'll be against Ohio State
and they'll be you know, ninety percent Buckeye fans there
in Indianapolis, So to me, that will help. But if
they win the Big Ten, then they are playing in
the quarterfinals in neutral site bowl games, and it would
(11:46):
probably be the Rose Bowl because the committee is bound
to put the conference champs in the bowls affiliated with
those conferences, So the Big Ten champs go on the
Rose Bowl. If that's Oregon, they're gonna have a home
you know, they'll have a lot of support, is there
for sure? If they and they're not gonna have to
play a road game in the opening round because even
if they lose the Big Ten championship, they will be
(12:08):
seated high enough to have a home game at US
on December twenty first, So I don't know that they're
gonna face a real tough road environment at least through
the quarter finals.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So the CFP rankings just came out and the top
five are the same Oregon, Ohio State, Texas, Penn State, Indiana.
The big news is that Boise State is now the
fourth highest rank conference champion out of the Mountain West.
So they would actually get a buye and get to
host a game. No, they would not host a game.
(12:39):
They would go to a bowl game, correct, the second
rounds of bowl game?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Is that right? Yeah, they would get they would get
a buy in the opening round, and they would go
straight into the quarterfinals, which are at neutral site.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Right, correct, So they are the fourth highest rank conference champ.
What I'm trying to figure out is Georgia beats Tennessee
and moves up two spots. Alabama beats Mercer and moves
up three spots. I mean, is that someone just not
paying attention to what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
The Committee is mailing it in, especially with Georgia, the
fact that Georgia is seven spots behind Texas. Georgia beat
Texas a month ago in Austin by fifteen points. They
have three top twenty five wins, Texas has none, and
Texas is seven spots ahead of them. It's a complete joke.
(13:28):
And Georgia is the Canarian the coal mine for this
whole thing, because if they get hosed by the committee
because they have two losses, the SEC is going to
see that, and the SEC is gonna take its ball
and go home in the next couple of years and
create its own playoffs.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
We were talking about Boise there, and you wrote about
Boise this week and how much of a threat to
the Koogs and the Beeves they potentially could be as
a future power for conference selection.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Talk about that with us, Well, I.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Just think you know, they get into the pack, the
new PAC twelve. That's a really good football program, and
just like Gonzaga on the basketball side, the Pac twelve
is kind of invited a football and a basketball program
that are better than either Washington State or Oregon State's
football and basketball. And if Boise he comes in and
(14:22):
they win the conference regularly and they're going to the
playoff regularly as the Group of five winner, they're going
to be more attractive potentially to the Big twelve than
the Cougars or Beavers might be.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, how likely is it you think that Jake Dickert
is coaching somewhere else next year? I mean all I've
heard him do all year long is complain about nobody
coming to games. Yeah, right in Pullman, he's obviously a
two lost team that's got no shot of making the
playoff now after the lost to New Mexico, I would
kind of like to see him stay, to be honest
(14:55):
with you, but what are the odds that Jake Dickard
is coaching somewhere else next year?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
My gut is that they're increasing by the week. You know,
he's gonna I think he's gonna have some options because
this isn't it's not just this season, right. His sample
sizes multiple seasons of success in a tough gig, and
he's a Midwest guy, and I haven't like taken a
(15:21):
thorough look at what jobs might be open, but yeah,
he's gotta be frustrated. And it'll also be interesting to
see what happens with mateir right in if somebody comes
and makes a big offer for Matier and he leaves.
I don't know. I'm kind of getting the feeling that
it's more likely than not that Dicker might leave. But
(15:41):
we'll see.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Who'd you take, Bon Knicks or Dylan Gabriel? And who
would you take the twenty twenty three Ducks or the
twenty twenty four Ducks?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Ooh, I would all right, So I would take Nick
Silver Gabriel, Okay, but I would take the twenty four
Ducks because I think the defensive line is better. You
know that guy Derrick Harmon from the Michigan State Transfer,
He's the kind of run stopping, pocket collapsing force that
(16:11):
the SEC powerhouses usually have. I don't know what he's
weighing in at three ten, three twenty, but that's the
kind of guy that's starting for an SEC defensive line
that wins the national championship. And Washington's going to have
to double team him, and he is a difference maker.
For the Ducks.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Hey, he also got his ass kick the last two
years by Washington playing for Michigan State, and now he's
doing it for Oregon. So we'll see what happens next
Saturday at Audstin Stadium.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
All right, you're back in the win column, baby.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Your four game losing streak is over air Force demolishing
Oregon State. Over the weekend, let's go for two in
a row. Buddy, Willner's winner is back on the path.
The man the Windalorean has returned. Well a vengeance. Who
do you like this weekend?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Buddy? I will take the Cougars. And I don't even
know what the footspread is, don't even care. Eight and
a half Beavers are what is it?
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Eight and a half?
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Oh yeah, the Beavers are in free fall. I didn't like.
They didn't have good body language, they didn't have good energy.
Their quarterback situation is a mess. That was a terrible,
terrible loss at air Force.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I think Oregon State is done, so I will take
the Cougars.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I'm sorry, it's actually twelve and a half. I apologize,
I say reading the wrong number. You like the Coups
minus the points?
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Okay? All right? I tend to agree with you.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Wazoo minus the twelve and a half is John's pick
for the week. All right, buddy, great stuff, and keep
pissing off Husky fans because it keeps driving Faine nuts
and keeps giving us content. So I appreciate that, right,
I don't want.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
To drive Fame nuts. Don't just I'm just call it
like I see it.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Why don't you guys just go out and get a
beer and you can talk it out.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Sounds that sound all right? And then Jackson I will
just hang out, all right, good stuff, John, we're talking
to ways body, see you man.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Thanks guys, all right.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
John Wilner with us likes the Cougars minus the twelve
and a half again the Beeves. Brian Schmitzer is going
to join us coming up by the way at five
point forty five tonight. And we didn't get to this
conversation that Chuck and Buck had with Mike with Jane's sterotor,
sorry this morning, regarding the Seahawk game.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
We can talk about that.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
And then Chuck himself has put up a bunch of
crystal ball predictions for the Mariners and he wants to
really blow up the Mariner roster. He'll join us at
six and explain why on ninety three three KJRFM
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