December 17, 2025 • 20 mins
Kevin Harlan from CBS and Westwood One joins the show to talk about the massive Seahawks-Rams game on Thursday, the end of the Chiefs dynasty, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
They are NFL champions. The Seattlesyhawks have one Super Bowl
forty eight.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
As part of our non stop coverage of the NFL,
this is Softy's weekly visit with Kevin Harlan.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
He's a pulldozer.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
He's a piece.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Brought to you by Twin Peaks in tuck Willa open
every Sunday morning just in time for kickoff.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
He was like a pinball hanging off buddy. He's a
twenty three yard catch it.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Run catch every game, every bite and every sip only
a Twin Peaks tug Willa hit the touchdown, hit the
touchdown hits crab by curs Now with Kevin.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Here's Softy ducking down seven Rodgers under center Miami nineteen
yard line game. Well, the back Rogers under center crouching
gets the sniff, He'll take the handoff. He'll drop that
seven wind up pass down, It'll cut at the gold
line inscride.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
HiT's a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Crap by Marquez Valdez stantling Hi Hi half the goal line,
right down the middle, nineteen yard touchdown pass. Aaron Rodgers
had misstealers pill fairly early in the third thirteen pre
over Miami.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
All Right Boys, and girls.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Here we go on a busy Wednesday night right here
on ninety three to three KJRFM, A chance to talk
to the king of all NFL play by play voices
around the world, the representative every single Sunday Monday night
of millions of sports fans around the globe. The NFL
on CBS, the NFL in Westwood, won, the NBA on Amazon.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Our friend Kevin Harlan, How are you, pal?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Oh? I'm doing fine. How are you good?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
You seem you seem thrilled to be here. I gotta
be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
The commissioner of the NBA hint that there were going
to be two new teams and maybe, just maybe they're
gonna get a game up in Seattle, going once again
with NBA basketball.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, I wouldn't be wonderful, huh.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
He said yesterday apparently that they're gonna look at it
in twenty twenty six, and they're obviously looking at Vegas,
looking at Seattle, and Sonic fans.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Have their hopes, their hopes high. Should they have their hopes?
Speaker 5 (02:09):
I do you think Adam Silver would say all that
if he didn't really plan on giving us a basketball
team back?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I agree, Well, I don't know about Seattle. My thinking is,
and I think just common sense is, is that market
with all of its history number one, sports success, number
two and just the fortune five hundred aspect, There's so
many reasons why the NBA needs to get back up there,
but the history for all of us people that love
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the league and love the history of the Sonics makes
the most.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I would love to see them back up there.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
It'll make some realignment issues, clearly, because if you would
add they I think they're sold on Vegas. I really
think they're sold on Seattle. I don't know anything more
than what I read. What I hear just interpretation, but
I would sure like to think that this is on
the front burner of work they want to go. I
can't imagine Nashville might be a player in this, of course,
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And if they're going to go west one east, I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I don't know. I'm just saying I just think now
the time is right.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Well I think that. I mean, look, the arena's ready,
the fans are ready. You haven't seen the new arena yet, correct?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Is it the old?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
What it was called The last time I was in
it was called Key Arena?
Speaker 5 (03:26):
What is it called now it's now called Climate Pledge Arena.
Yeah you haven't been here.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, I don't know what it's all about.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
But anyway, I when I was there, it was key
when I was doing the silence before they moved to
Oklahoma City, and I think I think my first NBA
game up there that I broadcast was in nineteen eighty two. Wow,
so Bob Blackburn was the voice of the team. That
goes back many years. But I was twenty one when
I did that, and that was many, many, many years ago.
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But that's yeah, I'm trying to think of is called
Karna back then. Anyway, I've seen it redone twice I think,
right and up there for them the NCAA Tournament in
ninety nine was the last time I was in the building.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
All right, well, let's get a basketball team back, so
we can get you back in there.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Colling hoops for Amazon come. That'd be phenomena.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Well, I love it, all.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Right, lots to talk about the NFL.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Let's first of all, start Kevin, if we can with
the game that you had Monday. Ever since that night,
to a tongue of Iloa has now been benched in
favor of Quinn viewers. What has happened to to a
tongue of Iloa? How do you tell that story in Miami?
You think, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
You know, there are a lot of people that you
would talk to that think that maybe the money has
kind of oldered the way he is now for whatever reason.
I think he's got I think he's got a lot
of people in his ear. I think he's got a
lot of people talking to him. And I'm not even
going to tell you what direction with that I'm gonna go.
But I think he's got a lot of people that
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are trying to give him advice and sometimes that can
that can stop the flow of what needs to be done.
So I think there's a little bit of that. I
think there's the concern about him. When he should run,
he doesn't, and when he is making decisions in that
time of duress, he is collapsing and not trying to
extend a play which you need your quarterback to do.
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With his health history, that is a concern. I would
assume that is probably weighing on his mind as well.
I've always thought his size hurts him. He's one of
the shorter quarterbacks in the NFL, and he has even
admitted there are times I cannot see the lanes I
need to throw to. He is a timing quarterback and
because of that, that requires, you know, discipline on Rount
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running by his receivers. I don't think that is always there.
There's a lot going on, and I think that if
you're ever gonna you know, read now they're officially out
of the playoff picture, just see what you've got. I mean,
you got to go into the off season with a plan.
They're paying him a ton of money, so I don't
know how they're going to ever extricate themselves from that
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kind of situation.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But even though they had got a couple quarterbacks on
their one Zach Wilson who was a high draft pick
by the Jets, and then yours is going to start
the rookie out of Texas who they drafted, I think
they're curious to see.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
What these guys have.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I think they got to know, you know what every
corner of that picture looks like, is they go to
the off season, they're gonna have a new GM, you know,
a new philosophy perhaps, and how they're gonna get talent,
how they're gonna draft it, how they're gonna send it,
how they're gonna coach it. So that is a very
fluid situation in Miami.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Well, Kevin Harlan's with us and speaking of making a
quarterback change, obviously, Kansas City's making one that they don't
want to make for the first time. And what a
decade the Kansas City Chiefs will not be in the playoffs.
Patrick Mahomes tearing his ACL last weekend. I know that
you know that team very well.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
You know they worked on the MCL too.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
They worked on the MCL as well. So I'm not
I read that.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I didn't hear it. I read it like we can
all read, Okay, But that was that was that was
part of what what I think. They went in there
and looked and saw what they saw and repaired what
they repaired.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
You you know that town and team very well.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
This run was gonna come to an end at some point,
no doubt, right, and it had come to an end.
The question is in Kansas City, is this a temporary
detour or is this the start of maybe a little
bit of a retooling in Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I think it's more like what we saw happened with
Belichick and Brady in New England. You know, they had
the first iteration of what that team was, and then
they kind of reloaded and they kind of rebuilt that
team and they went on another run. And my guess
is with Homes only being thirty, that that is the
thought process. All right, We've got to clearly shore up
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some issues of concern, not the least of which is
a running game offensive line. I mean, I don't know
how much of this team is going to go untouched,
but there's definitely gonna be a lot there that needs
to be repaired, and maybe by Mahomes being out it
just signals for it. Yes, this definitely is the time
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to do it, and not think that you can carry
over a bunch of what you are now in the
next year, because clearly that doesn't work, it doesn't resonate,
and I think there will be a lot of changes,
but it is not a tearing down and going to
the studs. It is more of let's just use a
ys eye with a lot of the same components in
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schemes that we've always used, but strengthen areas that need strengthened. Listen,
when you've got camp restraints like they've got when you're
drafting in the poor position that they've been drafting in
because they have been so successful for the last decade. Invariably,
this is going to happen. The league is not set
up to have dynasties. This league is set up to
have a churning of champions, different champions, different and we're
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seeing it this year. We're seeing it with the teams
that are up there this year, not the least of
which is the Seahawk you know, run this which has
been incredible and is going to continue that way, I believe.
So the league is set up to not have dynasties.
It's I think been more of a fluke that we've
seen the Chiefs and Patriots have it for the first
twenty five years of this decade of this of the
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two thousands, my guess is the Chiefs will continue to
be good, but we're going to continue to see this
this ye refurbishing at the top.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
You know, I gotta be honest with you. I love
your energy right now. It's uh, it's talking about you.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I always have. I always have this energy outway.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
You sound like you pounded about a gallon of mountain
dew before we spoke here.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Really well, I'm sorry I feel that way.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Maybe it's because my wife has been in and out
of the office.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
You're there, you go.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Now, I've been excited after thirty eight years, So maybe
that's it.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Hey, you know what you got that spark still. Good
for you, man, good for you. I'm very envious of that.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Well.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Well, Kevin Harlan's with us courtesy at Twin Peaks, Tuckwilla
and Kevin. You mentioned the Hawks Rams tomorrow biggest game
they've played and probably at least in the regular season
since twenty thirteen when they won the whole thing. It's
the last time they were eleven to three, and now
you have another eleven and three team coming in here.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
The last time they saw.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Each other, Sam Darnold threw four picks and they came
within a sixty one yard field goal of winning the
freaking game.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Anyway against the Rams.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Talk to me about the importance of this game tomorrow night.
They're saying it's the biggest game of the year so
far in the NFL regular season.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Well, they're both making the postseason. We just don't know
who's going to be number one, who's going to be
number four, right, or five or whatever. That would be right.
So that's the difference, and you know that's a significant difference.
You're not getting the by you're playing on the first weekend,
and you just don't know once you get to the playoffs.
There's so much parody what's going to happen. So I mean,
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I think it's obvious what the game means. You've laid
out very well what happened the first time. We know
that there's not going to be a DeVante Adams siding
because he's going to be rested. I think for the
rest of the regular season with their hamstring, Rams are
feeling very good about themselves.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
The Seahawks are feeling very good about themselves. I wish
they could run better. I wish they could run the
ball better.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And I would like to think that that is a
constant thought and the minds of Kubiak and that offense
and how they're going to try to get that thing going,
because invariably that running game is going to have to
make a play at some time in some of these
big games coming up, and maybe it's tomorrow night. So
the running game has got to get back on track.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
That is a given.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
And I don't know if that's and I haven't seen
him here as much as I have early on. But
I don't know if that that's an offensive line issue.
Maybe it is whatever. No offensive line is perfect there
certainly isn't. But it's been good enough to have that
quarterback but a big numbers. Yeah, it's been good enough
to get that incredible record. I think it'll still stay
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that way. But now you've got to really head this
last month, these last three or four games, and you
got to tell yourself, you know, this is it, and
we've got to put everything on the table, and I
know they will, and this game row night will be
a great indication of that.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Kevin, you talked about the Chiefs earlier. I want to
talk to you about Buffalo. I don't know how much
of the comeback you saw against the Patriots on Sunday
in Foxborough. Yeah, it just kind of feels like, I
don't know, man, that everything is setting up for them
to finally break through and make their run, right. I mean,
they're not playing great defense, but people talking about Allen
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being the MVP. The comeback against New England, with Mahomes
out of the way, maybe Lamar out of the way,
does it not feel like maybe the universe is lining
up for this to be the year the Buffalo Bills
finally breakthrough and get to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I'd like to think so, just because you know it
is they've been on the forefront and at the precipice
of that big game for so long. With a quarterback
who has been as dominant as any quarterback in Pro football,
pieces seem to be there. That got maybe the best
running back in James Cook. The quarterback is going to
be in the conversation for the MVP, so you know,
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I think the time is right for him. But Stafford
has had an incredible season, and then put Drake May
and that conversation two those three probably are going to be,
you know, the three finalists.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
For that award.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I did, the best running back in the league and
Cook perhaps the best quarterback, or certainly one or one
A in terms of ranking the quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
So there's so much there that you gotta like.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
And I thought, coming back against New England, that may
be a turning point lynchpin, however you want to categorize that.
To turn them on the road they need to be on.
So right now they'd be my favorite. I didn't think
so mid season I thought Baltimore, once they got Lamar back,
would be there, Kansas City at would be there. Clearly
those two teams are are not Kansas City for sure.
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Baltimore is still punching away at Pittsburgh. But Pittsburgh got
a big win this weekend and they got they got
a one game lead now over Baltimore, and they got
another game against the Ravens coming out. So that division
is clearly influx. Burrow's not been a factor, Cincinnati's out
of it. So yeah, no, you're right, this is it
just seems like everything is falling into place with the
Buffalo bill.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Is Burrow back next year in Cincinnati?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
You think, yeah, he is.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I mean, that contract is going to be hard to
fath him. But if they could get a trade, if
they would trade him with that contract to another team,
that would say we we have got to get a
franchise quarterback. And if they would give him like ones
and four starters, I mean, like, who knows what a
team would give up for a guy like him. He
is injury prone. He's had a lot of injuries in
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a very short window here in the NFL, and that's
got to be taken into consideration. Yeah, but so many
teams are so desperate for quarterback and they would do
anything to get a and that means probably selling a
lot of what they got in the draft. Maybe where
they're where they're taking, uh that that that number one pick,
and how many they've got in store and what they
can do and what they can package.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
You never know.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
But but you know, a team like Cincinnati needs a
lot and the quarterback has only been there kind of
half the time. So maybe they're gonna win and say,
you know what, we'd love to have them, but we
need more than just the quarterback, because you've got them
now and you're not winning.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Well.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Kevin Harlan's with us, and Kevin, I want to We
began with the NBA. I want to end with the NBA,
all right, And I feel bad asking you this question.
I should know this, But did you call the Spurs
next game last night?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
No? I did not?
Speaker 4 (15:41):
You did not?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Not good? Good. I don't feel so bad anymore.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
The Knicks have won the NBA Cup and I saw
Chris Russo on ESPN and barking about it.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
This is nothing of significance. Who cares?
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Blah blah blah, And the next Apparently there's a story
out now that they're not going to hang a band
at MSG for the NBA Cup. I mean, it seems
chitzy a little bit that they would do something like this.
I get why the league does it, obviously to motivate
the guys during the early part of the regular season,
but I mean, truthfully, how significant should an NBA Cup
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championship be for the New York Knicks.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Well, I think it's the first step into building on
what they did last year getting to the Eastern Conference Finals,
and I think that comes with, you know, you know
a lot. They were a team that made it very far,
just missed out after Game six, losing in Indianapolis. You
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get into the NBA Finals, They've not been there since
the early seventies. They've not won any championship since then.
Here is a championship they've won. I would tell you that.
I think maybe more of this is their owner motivated
not putting it up because he's at odds with the
lead league on a lot of different issues. I think
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that's probably more to this story than just not hanging it.
Lakers hung it, and I think the commissioner's probably gone
to the winners and said, let's let's make this really
special and get some kind of recognition in your building
with the Cup win. And you know, when everything's new
like this, you don't know where it really stands in
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the history of the game and the landscape of importance.
But I think that teams that have won it on
Milwaukee went it last year. So the Bucks went a
year ago, right, and now a year later they're in disarray,
So I don't know what the reading do it.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I do think, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And then Oklahoma City, the team they've beaten the championship
at the Cup last year, went on to win the
NBA Championship, So I do think there's a part that
it plays. It kind of gets you playoff ready at
a time and the league calendar that has not really
ever been compelling because it is so early and we're
only a quarter the way a third of the way
through the season with a lot of basketball to go.
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So I think I think you take it for what
it is. It's a It's an in season tournament where
you had to work hard and probably up your level
of competition and work and everything that goes into winning.
You had to probably ramp it up a couple of degrees.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
They did. They want it.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
They beat a very good San Antonio team, and I
think there's some pride in there, and they showed it afterwards,
and I think we're all still trying to get our
minds around what it means, how valuable it can be,
and what it's worth. Right now, what it's worth I
think is, Hey, we're in the right direction. This is
a nice mid season accomplishment. We faced the competition we
were facing and we beat them and we want it.
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So there's I think there's always something to be said
about that.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
All right, Chiefs tightness for TV? Which is the answer
to where will Kevin be for TV? Sunday Monday Night?
San Francisco, Indianapolis. That's a big game in the NFC
West as well for Hawk fans to keep an eye on.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
So enjoy it, great stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
We'll give you a couple of weeks to enjoy the
holidays with a family, and then you and I'll talk
reconvene in twenty twenty six. I cannot tell you how
much I appreciate you and everything you do for this
radio show. It is my absolute pleasure to have you
on the air every Wednesday at five o'clock.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Courtesy at Twin Peaks, Tuckwilla, you are too kind.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Thank you, Brad, but thank you KAJR and thank you Dave.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I love being on it. It's a lot of fun.
Happy holidays to all of our listeners. Happy New Years.
And we'll talk to you probably close to Wildcard weekend, right,
maybe going into wild Card weekend yep, and we'll see
what that that's going to be like. It's gonna be
a wild ride. So buckle up, harness yourself in, and
get ready for the thrills and spills of what it's
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going to be. I think of very entertaining NFL postseason.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
All right, man.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
And hey, keep that, keep that spartan going at home
with that relationship with the wife.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
You're a lucky man, all right, and.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Joy Yeah, I believe me. I tell myself that all
the time, all the time.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Enjoy it, man, we'll talk some ay. Thank you bell,
all right,
They are NFL champions. The Seattlesyhawks have one Super Bowl
forty eight.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
As part of our non stop coverage of the NFL,
this is Softy's weekly visit with Kevin Harlan.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
He's a pulldozer.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
He's a piece.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Brought to you by Twin Peaks in tuck Willa open
every Sunday morning just in time for kickoff.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
He was like a pinball hanging off buddy. He's a
twenty three yard catch it.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Run catch every game, every bite and every sip only
a Twin Peaks tug Willa hit the touchdown, hit the
touchdown hits crab by curs Now with Kevin.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Here's Softy ducking down seven Rodgers under center Miami nineteen
yard line game. Well, the back Rogers under center crouching
gets the sniff, He'll take the handoff. He'll drop that
seven wind up pass down, It'll cut at the gold
line inscride.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
HiT's a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Crap by Marquez Valdez stantling Hi Hi half the goal line,
right down the middle, nineteen yard touchdown pass. Aaron Rodgers
had misstealers pill fairly early in the third thirteen pre
over Miami.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
All Right Boys, and girls.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Here we go on a busy Wednesday night right here
on ninety three to three KJRFM, A chance to talk
to the king of all NFL play by play voices
around the world, the representative every single Sunday Monday night
of millions of sports fans around the globe. The NFL
on CBS, the NFL in Westwood, won, the NBA on Amazon.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Our friend Kevin Harlan, How are you, pal?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Oh? I'm doing fine. How are you good?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
You seem you seem thrilled to be here. I gotta
be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
The commissioner of the NBA hint that there were going
to be two new teams and maybe, just maybe they're
gonna get a game up in Seattle, going once again
with NBA basketball.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, I wouldn't be wonderful, huh.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
He said yesterday apparently that they're gonna look at it
in twenty twenty six, and they're obviously looking at Vegas,
looking at Seattle, and Sonic fans.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Have their hopes, their hopes high. Should they have their hopes?
Speaker 5 (02:09):
I do you think Adam Silver would say all that
if he didn't really plan on giving us a basketball
team back?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I agree, Well, I don't know about Seattle. My thinking is,
and I think just common sense is, is that market
with all of its history number one, sports success, number
two and just the fortune five hundred aspect, There's so
many reasons why the NBA needs to get back up there,
but the history for all of us people that love
(02:37):
the league and love the history of the Sonics makes
the most.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I would love to see them back up there.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
It'll make some realignment issues, clearly, because if you would
add they I think they're sold on Vegas. I really
think they're sold on Seattle. I don't know anything more
than what I read. What I hear just interpretation, but
I would sure like to think that this is on
the front burner of work they want to go. I
can't imagine Nashville might be a player in this, of course,
(03:06):
And if they're going to go west one east, I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I don't know. I'm just saying I just think now
the time is right.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Well I think that. I mean, look, the arena's ready,
the fans are ready. You haven't seen the new arena yet, correct?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Is it the old?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
What it was called The last time I was in
it was called Key Arena?
Speaker 5 (03:26):
What is it called now it's now called Climate Pledge Arena.
Yeah you haven't been here.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, I don't know what it's all about.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
But anyway, I when I was there, it was key
when I was doing the silence before they moved to
Oklahoma City, and I think I think my first NBA
game up there that I broadcast was in nineteen eighty two. Wow,
so Bob Blackburn was the voice of the team. That
goes back many years. But I was twenty one when
I did that, and that was many, many, many years ago.
(03:57):
But that's yeah, I'm trying to think of is called
Karna back then. Anyway, I've seen it redone twice I think,
right and up there for them the NCAA Tournament in
ninety nine was the last time I was in the building.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
All right, well, let's get a basketball team back, so
we can get you back in there.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Colling hoops for Amazon come. That'd be phenomena.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Well, I love it, all.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Right, lots to talk about the NFL.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Let's first of all, start Kevin, if we can with
the game that you had Monday. Ever since that night,
to a tongue of Iloa has now been benched in
favor of Quinn viewers. What has happened to to a
tongue of Iloa? How do you tell that story in Miami?
You think, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
You know, there are a lot of people that you
would talk to that think that maybe the money has
kind of oldered the way he is now for whatever reason.
I think he's got I think he's got a lot
of people in his ear. I think he's got a
lot of people talking to him. And I'm not even
going to tell you what direction with that I'm gonna go.
But I think he's got a lot of people that
(04:55):
are trying to give him advice and sometimes that can
that can stop the flow of what needs to be done.
So I think there's a little bit of that. I
think there's the concern about him. When he should run,
he doesn't, and when he is making decisions in that
time of duress, he is collapsing and not trying to
extend a play which you need your quarterback to do.
(05:18):
With his health history, that is a concern. I would
assume that is probably weighing on his mind as well.
I've always thought his size hurts him. He's one of
the shorter quarterbacks in the NFL, and he has even
admitted there are times I cannot see the lanes I
need to throw to. He is a timing quarterback and
because of that, that requires, you know, discipline on Rount
(05:41):
running by his receivers. I don't think that is always there.
There's a lot going on, and I think that if
you're ever gonna you know, read now they're officially out
of the playoff picture, just see what you've got. I mean,
you got to go into the off season with a plan.
They're paying him a ton of money, so I don't
know how they're going to ever extricate themselves from that
(06:02):
kind of situation.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But even though they had got a couple quarterbacks on
their one Zach Wilson who was a high draft pick
by the Jets, and then yours is going to start
the rookie out of Texas who they drafted, I think
they're curious to see.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
What these guys have.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I think they got to know, you know what every
corner of that picture looks like, is they go to
the off season, they're gonna have a new GM, you know,
a new philosophy perhaps, and how they're gonna get talent,
how they're gonna draft it, how they're gonna send it,
how they're gonna coach it. So that is a very
fluid situation in Miami.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Well, Kevin Harlan's with us and speaking of making a
quarterback change, obviously, Kansas City's making one that they don't
want to make for the first time. And what a
decade the Kansas City Chiefs will not be in the playoffs.
Patrick Mahomes tearing his ACL last weekend. I know that
you know that team very well.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
You know they worked on the MCL too.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
They worked on the MCL as well. So I'm not
I read that.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I didn't hear it. I read it like we can
all read, Okay, But that was that was that was
part of what what I think. They went in there
and looked and saw what they saw and repaired what
they repaired.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
You you know that town and team very well.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
This run was gonna come to an end at some point,
no doubt, right, and it had come to an end.
The question is in Kansas City, is this a temporary
detour or is this the start of maybe a little
bit of a retooling in Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I think it's more like what we saw happened with
Belichick and Brady in New England. You know, they had
the first iteration of what that team was, and then
they kind of reloaded and they kind of rebuilt that
team and they went on another run. And my guess
is with Homes only being thirty, that that is the
thought process. All right, We've got to clearly shore up
(07:48):
some issues of concern, not the least of which is
a running game offensive line. I mean, I don't know
how much of this team is going to go untouched,
but there's definitely gonna be a lot there that needs
to be repaired, and maybe by Mahomes being out it
just signals for it. Yes, this definitely is the time
(08:09):
to do it, and not think that you can carry
over a bunch of what you are now in the
next year, because clearly that doesn't work, it doesn't resonate,
and I think there will be a lot of changes,
but it is not a tearing down and going to
the studs. It is more of let's just use a
ys eye with a lot of the same components in
(08:29):
schemes that we've always used, but strengthen areas that need strengthened. Listen,
when you've got camp restraints like they've got when you're
drafting in the poor position that they've been drafting in
because they have been so successful for the last decade. Invariably,
this is going to happen. The league is not set
up to have dynasties. This league is set up to
have a churning of champions, different champions, different and we're
(08:53):
seeing it this year. We're seeing it with the teams
that are up there this year, not the least of
which is the Seahawk you know, run this which has
been incredible and is going to continue that way, I believe.
So the league is set up to not have dynasties.
It's I think been more of a fluke that we've
seen the Chiefs and Patriots have it for the first
twenty five years of this decade of this of the
(09:15):
two thousands, my guess is the Chiefs will continue to
be good, but we're going to continue to see this
this ye refurbishing at the top.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
You know, I gotta be honest with you. I love
your energy right now. It's uh, it's talking about you.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I always have. I always have this energy outway.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
You sound like you pounded about a gallon of mountain
dew before we spoke here.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Really well, I'm sorry I feel that way.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Maybe it's because my wife has been in and out
of the office.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
You're there, you go.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Now, I've been excited after thirty eight years, So maybe
that's it.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Hey, you know what you got that spark still. Good
for you, man, good for you. I'm very envious of that.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Well.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Well, Kevin Harlan's with us courtesy at Twin Peaks, Tuckwilla
and Kevin. You mentioned the Hawks Rams tomorrow biggest game
they've played and probably at least in the regular season
since twenty thirteen when they won the whole thing. It's
the last time they were eleven to three, and now
you have another eleven and three team coming in here.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
The last time they saw.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Each other, Sam Darnold threw four picks and they came
within a sixty one yard field goal of winning the
freaking game.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Anyway against the Rams.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Talk to me about the importance of this game tomorrow night.
They're saying it's the biggest game of the year so
far in the NFL regular season.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Well, they're both making the postseason. We just don't know
who's going to be number one, who's going to be
number four, right, or five or whatever. That would be right.
So that's the difference, and you know that's a significant difference.
You're not getting the by you're playing on the first weekend,
and you just don't know once you get to the playoffs.
There's so much parody what's going to happen. So I mean,
(10:58):
I think it's obvious what the game means. You've laid
out very well what happened the first time. We know
that there's not going to be a DeVante Adams siding
because he's going to be rested. I think for the
rest of the regular season with their hamstring, Rams are
feeling very good about themselves.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
The Seahawks are feeling very good about themselves. I wish
they could run better. I wish they could run the
ball better.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And I would like to think that that is a
constant thought and the minds of Kubiak and that offense
and how they're going to try to get that thing going,
because invariably that running game is going to have to
make a play at some time in some of these
big games coming up, and maybe it's tomorrow night. So
the running game has got to get back on track.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
That is a given.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
And I don't know if that's and I haven't seen
him here as much as I have early on. But
I don't know if that that's an offensive line issue.
Maybe it is whatever. No offensive line is perfect there
certainly isn't. But it's been good enough to have that
quarterback but a big numbers. Yeah, it's been good enough
to get that incredible record. I think it'll still stay
(12:04):
that way. But now you've got to really head this
last month, these last three or four games, and you
got to tell yourself, you know, this is it, and
we've got to put everything on the table, and I
know they will, and this game row night will be
a great indication of that.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Kevin, you talked about the Chiefs earlier. I want to
talk to you about Buffalo. I don't know how much
of the comeback you saw against the Patriots on Sunday
in Foxborough. Yeah, it just kind of feels like, I
don't know, man, that everything is setting up for them
to finally break through and make their run, right. I mean,
they're not playing great defense, but people talking about Allen
(12:40):
being the MVP. The comeback against New England, with Mahomes
out of the way, maybe Lamar out of the way,
does it not feel like maybe the universe is lining
up for this to be the year the Buffalo Bills
finally breakthrough and get to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I'd like to think so, just because you know it
is they've been on the forefront and at the precipice
of that big game for so long. With a quarterback
who has been as dominant as any quarterback in Pro football,
pieces seem to be there. That got maybe the best
running back in James Cook. The quarterback is going to
be in the conversation for the MVP, so you know,
(13:19):
I think the time is right for him. But Stafford
has had an incredible season, and then put Drake May
and that conversation two those three probably are going to be,
you know, the three finalists.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
For that award.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I did, the best running back in the league and
Cook perhaps the best quarterback, or certainly one or one
A in terms of ranking the quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
So there's so much there that you gotta like.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
And I thought, coming back against New England, that may
be a turning point lynchpin, however you want to categorize that.
To turn them on the road they need to be on.
So right now they'd be my favorite. I didn't think
so mid season I thought Baltimore, once they got Lamar back,
would be there, Kansas City at would be there. Clearly
those two teams are are not Kansas City for sure.
(14:04):
Baltimore is still punching away at Pittsburgh. But Pittsburgh got
a big win this weekend and they got they got
a one game lead now over Baltimore, and they got
another game against the Ravens coming out. So that division
is clearly influx. Burrow's not been a factor, Cincinnati's out
of it. So yeah, no, you're right, this is it
just seems like everything is falling into place with the
Buffalo bill.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Is Burrow back next year in Cincinnati?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
You think, yeah, he is.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I mean, that contract is going to be hard to
fath him. But if they could get a trade, if
they would trade him with that contract to another team,
that would say we we have got to get a
franchise quarterback. And if they would give him like ones
and four starters, I mean, like, who knows what a
team would give up for a guy like him. He
is injury prone. He's had a lot of injuries in
(14:50):
a very short window here in the NFL, and that's
got to be taken into consideration. Yeah, but so many
teams are so desperate for quarterback and they would do
anything to get a and that means probably selling a
lot of what they got in the draft. Maybe where
they're where they're taking, uh that that that number one pick,
and how many they've got in store and what they
can do and what they can package.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
You never know.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
But but you know, a team like Cincinnati needs a
lot and the quarterback has only been there kind of
half the time. So maybe they're gonna win and say,
you know what, we'd love to have them, but we
need more than just the quarterback, because you've got them
now and you're not winning.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Well.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Kevin Harlan's with us, and Kevin, I want to We
began with the NBA. I want to end with the NBA,
all right, And I feel bad asking you this question.
I should know this, But did you call the Spurs
next game last night?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
No? I did not?
Speaker 4 (15:41):
You did not?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Not good? Good. I don't feel so bad anymore.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
The Knicks have won the NBA Cup and I saw
Chris Russo on ESPN and barking about it.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
This is nothing of significance. Who cares?
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Blah blah blah, And the next Apparently there's a story
out now that they're not going to hang a band
at MSG for the NBA Cup. I mean, it seems
chitzy a little bit that they would do something like this.
I get why the league does it, obviously to motivate
the guys during the early part of the regular season,
but I mean, truthfully, how significant should an NBA Cup
(16:17):
championship be for the New York Knicks.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Well, I think it's the first step into building on
what they did last year getting to the Eastern Conference Finals,
and I think that comes with, you know, you know
a lot. They were a team that made it very far,
just missed out after Game six, losing in Indianapolis. You
(16:42):
get into the NBA Finals, They've not been there since
the early seventies. They've not won any championship since then.
Here is a championship they've won. I would tell you that.
I think maybe more of this is their owner motivated
not putting it up because he's at odds with the
lead league on a lot of different issues. I think
(17:02):
that's probably more to this story than just not hanging it.
Lakers hung it, and I think the commissioner's probably gone
to the winners and said, let's let's make this really
special and get some kind of recognition in your building
with the Cup win. And you know, when everything's new
like this, you don't know where it really stands in
(17:23):
the history of the game and the landscape of importance.
But I think that teams that have won it on
Milwaukee went it last year. So the Bucks went a
year ago, right, and now a year later they're in disarray,
So I don't know what the reading do it.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I do think, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And then Oklahoma City, the team they've beaten the championship
at the Cup last year, went on to win the
NBA Championship, So I do think there's a part that
it plays. It kind of gets you playoff ready at
a time and the league calendar that has not really
ever been compelling because it is so early and we're
only a quarter the way a third of the way
through the season with a lot of basketball to go.
(17:59):
So I think I think you take it for what
it is. It's a It's an in season tournament where
you had to work hard and probably up your level
of competition and work and everything that goes into winning.
You had to probably ramp it up a couple of degrees.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
They did. They want it.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
They beat a very good San Antonio team, and I
think there's some pride in there, and they showed it afterwards,
and I think we're all still trying to get our
minds around what it means, how valuable it can be,
and what it's worth. Right now, what it's worth I
think is, Hey, we're in the right direction. This is
a nice mid season accomplishment. We faced the competition we
were facing and we beat them and we want it.
(18:41):
So there's I think there's always something to be said
about that.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
All right, Chiefs tightness for TV? Which is the answer
to where will Kevin be for TV? Sunday Monday Night?
San Francisco, Indianapolis. That's a big game in the NFC
West as well for Hawk fans to keep an eye on.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
So enjoy it, great stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
We'll give you a couple of weeks to enjoy the
holidays with a family, and then you and I'll talk
reconvene in twenty twenty six. I cannot tell you how
much I appreciate you and everything you do for this
radio show. It is my absolute pleasure to have you
on the air every Wednesday at five o'clock.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Courtesy at Twin Peaks, Tuckwilla, you are too kind.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Thank you, Brad, but thank you KAJR and thank you Dave.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I love being on it. It's a lot of fun.
Happy holidays to all of our listeners. Happy New Years.
And we'll talk to you probably close to Wildcard weekend, right,
maybe going into wild Card weekend yep, and we'll see
what that that's going to be like. It's gonna be
a wild ride. So buckle up, harness yourself in, and
get ready for the thrills and spills of what it's
(19:43):
going to be. I think of very entertaining NFL postseason.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
All right, man.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
And hey, keep that, keep that spartan going at home
with that relationship with the wife.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
You're a lucky man, all right, and.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Joy Yeah, I believe me. I tell myself that all
the time, all the time.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Enjoy it, man, we'll talk some ay. Thank you bell,
all right,
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