November 6, 2024 • 19 mins
Kevin Harlan of Westwood One, CBS, and TNT joined Dave Softy Mahler to talk about Monday’s Chiefs-Bucs game, Patrick Mahomes going down, the Lions sitting atop the NFC, what happened with the Hawks and Kenneth Walker, and Joel Embiid’s situation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
They are NFL champions. The Seattlesyhawks have one Super Bowl
forty eight.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
As part of our non stop coverage of the NFL,
this is Softy's weekly visit with Kevin Harlan.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
He's a pulldozer, He's a beast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Brought to you by the Emerald Queen Casino, the betting
capital of the Northwest.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
He was like a pinball. Bang it off, buddies up
twenty three.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yard catch it hun come down to the beautiful EQUC
Sportsbook to bet, watch and win all season long.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Hit the touchdown, Hit the touchdown.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It's brad Bit purse.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
On Sports Radio ninety three point three KJR FM.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Third Down and the Length of a football.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Hunt in the backfield, Offset I with Carson Steele. Three
tight ends, touchdown, rinse it Mahomes under center.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Pitch, the samps pins, hunt up the pack, running over
the right guard, touchdown Chiefs. They win it head over
time thirty and twenty four and.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
They go to eight.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
No.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Well, that voice, that's silky smooth voice.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
Do you hear every single Wednesday on the radio show.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
You hear the voice.
Speaker 6 (01:06):
You see the face every Sunday on CBS and if
you want more, you'll hear it again every single Monday night.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Courtesy of Westwood One.
Speaker 6 (01:14):
Right here ninety three to three KJRFM, courtesy of The Emerald,
Queen Casino, Our friend from the NFL on Westwood One,
the NFL on CBS, the voice for millions of football fans.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Around the globe. Our pal, Kevin Harlan.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
How are you, buddy, Softy doing great? How are he?
Sounds like you're not in the studio tonight.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
No, we're at the five twenty bar and grill. You
remember the old five twenty bar and grill?
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Uh, yeah, I do.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Indeed, we're actually here because we do our show here
for one simple reason, because Mike Holmgren doesn't want to
have to fight traffic from his Kirkland home across the
bridge to go downtown to our office. So we do
the show here so Mike can have a short commute.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I think that's great. You keep around the Hall of
Coaching and uh make it make it a little easy
on him. I like that. Mike smart and you're smart
to do it by his wish.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:07):
Unfortunately, he's in Portugal right now, so he won't even
be here today. But we're here today and then I
gotta fly to Penn State tomorrow for the Hoskey game. Yeah, well,
we got to make sure we do our diligence, saying,
you know, do our fulfill our duty with the with
the with the bar. So anyway, it's great to hear
your voice, man, before we launch into a lot of
stuff happening with the Seahawks. I want to go back
to the game that you did Monday night. I'm I'm
(02:29):
I'm literally yelling at the TV go for two for
Tampa Bay and they went for the extra point and
they immediately give up. The touchdown was so predictable that
the outcome went the way it did. Why did Tampa
Bay not go for too And did you think that
was the right call?
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Well, yeah, I think we I was doing with Kurt Warner,
and I believe he said I'd probably go for two
you're on the road. I think the conditions, Todd Bowle
said afterwards, we're a concern. I don't know. I mean,
I'm not sure I did. Maybe had more faith in
his defense that they would make a hold and that
the offense to get it back and they'd be able
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to get a field go and get out of there.
Or maybe they just felt coming back from the deficit
that they were going through that they, you know, just
to tie him and then to reassess where they were
was the better move. You know, it's you could probably
put ten coaches in a room and in this case
it may be six to four go for two, but
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I think a lot of them would probably have gone
for just the game tying extra point as well. So
I've I mean, I don't know how you look at it.
I will say that the Buccaneers are a strong team.
Their quarterback is playing at a high level there without
their two top receivers, and they give the defending champions
on their turf in bad weather on the road, a
very difficult game.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
No question.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
The other piece of that game I want to ask
you about, and it turned out to be not a
big deal, I guess when it's all said and done.
But you're in the stadium when Patrick Mahomes hobbles off
after hitting the turf with what.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Looked like an ankle knee.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
I don't know what it was, but can you give
us an idea of what it's like to be in
that stadium when that guy gets hurt?
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Well, it was pretty quiet and rightly. So he was
down after he ran and he had to be hoisted
up to his feet, and you could sell. You could
tell by the look on his face that something was
not right. And these non contact injuries, these soft tissue Injuri,
these non contact injuries are just so scary because nine
(04:34):
times out of ten it's a significant issue. And that's
what you were thinking. Did he mess up his ankle,
which it looked like he did. Did he pop an achilles,
which he easily could. What was there something more nefarious
at work here with regard to the injury? And it
just turned out that he had just kind of come
on it wrong. The leg did not flex the way
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it needed to or cushion the way that ankle needed
to come down. He may have been going a little
bit gingerly because the turf is wet. He was getting
rid of the ball. I mean he's being chased. I
mean he get getting close to the sideline. There's a
lot of play here, but he clearly came back from it.
Andy reads it after the game goes. I don't know
what he's got in his ankles, and all his ankles
(05:17):
are constructed, but he just he continues to defy medicine,
because most guys would be out and hobbling, and he
just goes right back in the game and acts like
nothing's happened. Now, he has had ankle injuries throughout his career,
not unlike Steph Curry in the NBA with the Golden
State Warriors, not as significant, but they've been there, so
something clearly to keep an eye in. I think he
(05:38):
works on this diligently during the off season so that
this is not an issue. But he's a lot of
quick twitch and if you're a quick twitch guy, your
ankles are under a great deal of stress.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt. I am not a quick twitch guy,
so I have no idea.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
I was just going to say that opposite of you,
that complete other direction of you, and you know what,
I'll throw myself in that category to you and I
are not quick twitch people.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, I was gonna ask you, I mean, what do
you do? What do you do to keep in shape
over the offseason?
Speaker 6 (06:07):
You play pick up basketball, the guys are you in
a beer softball league?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
What do you do to kind of get those competitive
juices flow in? Pal?
Speaker 5 (06:15):
I walk with my wife, That's what I do. And
I think what he does is he goes through We've
seen this on TV, a very extensive offseason, individual core work,
kind of unconventional, different kinds of ways to strengthen your body.
And here, let me just say this real quick about
the Chiefs and Mahomes. I think they're the most interesting
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team aside from Baltimore in the NFL. They are winning
with new parts in different ways, and the quarterback doesn't
even remotely resemble what he was when he came into
the league. He is more game manager and winner than
he is. Generational arm talent with unconventional ways of throwing
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the ball are just something we have not seen in
the league. He's gone from that to now, you know,
picking and poking his way down field with short passes,
relying on yards after catch after he gets the guys
in space, finding pockets of ope. He's settling for seven yards,
not having to go for twenty seven thirty seven every
(07:19):
time he goes down the field, like he's playing in
a different way. That is just I think very interesting.
The offense is being called different, and I think it's
going to continue to evolve with DeAndre Hopkins and their
new running back Kareem Hunt.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
No doubt Kevin Harlan is with us, who has no
need to evolve because he is already the greatest broadcast
during the history of the National Football League, so no
need to change anything.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
But he's with us here on the air courtesy of
the MRA Queen.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
Hey, dude, the Lions walked into Green Bay and walked
out with a win, which doesn't happen very often, seven
to one, twenty four fourteen over Green Bay. Are we
ready now to just simply proclaim the Lions the team
to beat without question in the NFC?
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Yeah, I would agree that the strongest, most physical, as
well coached as any I'm not ready to say he's
better than McVeigh. I'm not ready to say he's better
than Shanahan. But clearly what he's done and the turnaround
has been remarkable. You know, I don't think this Jared
Goff gets enough credit. He just here. Here's what's going
(08:25):
great for golf is he is not carrying the burden
of the entire offense. In Los Angeles, so much came
through him because all they did was throw. Are they
threw most of the time in Detroit. The balance there,
as it is with Washington, the balance with the Lions
is just eye opening. And the good teams have got
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at Baltimore, Kansas City, Detroit, Washington, they've got great balance.
And anyone that thought that running backs were out of
vogue and didn't have a place and where like you
put out the past year, there's so wrong. You need
to run the ball as well as you throw it,
and that's where the NFL is right now. But it's
evolving from all passing, which is great, but the more reliable,
(09:08):
tried and true is to play the complimentary football. You
run the ball, you rest your defense, you sprinkle it
with passes, and you set up with a lot of
play action. You rely on your defense, and Detroit's defense
and the Chiefs defense and Baltimore's defense to a degree
it's not great, but they've got playmakers. Washington's defense pretty good.
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Like like complimentary football, they're all playing it, but no
one is solely just passing the ball. Is you might
have seen four or five six years ago. Now it
is a lot of balance, and that really is the
word for success in the National Football Like balance on
offense is just so valuable and incredibly effective.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Right now, Well, there's a lot of Seahawks fans listening
right now, Kevin, that are not in their head.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, uh huh, uh huh.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Because the Seahawks right now, we're number one of the
un in passing attempts at three hundred and forty three,
yet only have a quarterback rating of eighty nine or
a passer rating of eighty nine, and the offense is
getting clocked here in Seattle. They lost to the Rams
again over the weekend. Gino through three interceptions, including two
inside the ten yard line, one of them taken back
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for a pick six by the Rams over the weekend.
I mean, you saw these guys a couple of weeks ago,
and ever since the three and oh start, they've won
a game.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
And now they're four and five. What do you what
do you see happening out here?
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Well, four and five is great. Just let's get let's
get past Thanksgiving and be close to five hundred and
then in that division, Look how even all those teams
are right, I mean, they're all right there, so so
they're very much in it. Let me ask you a quick question,
walk has is he injured? Is he nicked up? Or
is he not?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
He's good diet or what he's good?
Speaker 5 (10:51):
But he ran? Yeah, I don't know what's going on then,
because when I saw him in Detroit, and that was
the last time I saw him after watching him after
watching the team win in Seattle over Miami up there
for CBS, and the next week we had him in
Detroit and he was unstoppable and the complimentary football was terrific.
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So I don't know what's going on and what's happening
to Kenneth Walker, who I think, when he's on top
of his game, is as dangerous or running back as
you're gonna find. But clearly something's that I don't know
if it's your offensive line. I quite frankly now at
the NBA starting, I've not seen as much Seahawk fit
football from Afar as I probably should. I worry about
the games I've got, and I've got four different teams
(11:34):
every weekend, and I'm really really riled in on that.
I's I can't. I will tell you. I read a
couple of headlines, you see a couple of a couple
of replays. I keep track of Smith. I think he's
a very interesting player. But Walker, I think if you
can't run the ball in this league, you're in trouble.
So I don't know where that is with the Seahawks.
(11:55):
If you cannot run, you are in trouble.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Well tell ya.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
I mean, first of all, he was banged up. He's
good now. He was banged up for a little bit,
but his back. He had twenty five carries against the Rams,
Kevin for eighty three yards in that game and caught
three more balls for twenty four yards. He was well
over one hundred yards in total offense. But the offensive
line here is just awful. I mean, they got Abe
Lucas banged up, George George Fan came back and lasted
like seventeen snaps and got hurt again in this in
(12:21):
this game against the Rams. And I guess I'm just
trying to figure out why it's been so freaking hard
for teams to build offensive lines or is that just
a problem that we have out here.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
No, it's all over the league now. Listen, Rams are
a team that's rising, right, They're getting guys back, They're
getting they're getting guys back on their line. They got
the two receivers involved again. We were both were out
for the first part of the season. Kyron Williams is
a force. The quarterback is smart and you take away
maybe some of the top glittering names at the top
(12:51):
of the NFC quarterback list, and Stafford is still as
effective as anybody went needed. Rams are a good team. Welcome,
we know that. Now. I don't know what it is
about offensive lineman it is. I will tell you this.
I think it is more important to have the same guys,
have continuity of differing abilities, regardless of where you were
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drafted or undrafted, how you got there. If you can
start the same line game after game after game, if
you've run with that line through training camp, those are
usually the offensive lines that thrive. It is more about continuity, right,
and chemistry and covering for your brother and helping on
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the line, and and and and just knowing the nuances
of what that line does. That is almost if you're
if you're juggling technicles every game, and and a and
a guard every game and different players are in there.
That that the stress of an offensive line is is
incalculable because that's the one group as a fivesome that's
in there literally every play, and the more they play together,
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even if they're varying talent, it's always better. And and
and and I'm not sure I couldn't give you the
specifics on the line, but if they're shuffling guys in
and out all the time, that's a recipe for disaster
and it's just no continuity.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
No, that's exactly what they're doing. I mean, I mean
you just literally described it to a t. I mean,
they they're trying to get away from that. They they're
they're going with Anthony Bradford now as their right guard.
But that was just last week against the Rams, and then,
like we said, George Fan got banged up again. Kevin
Harlan's with us and and Kevin before we find out
where will.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Kevin be for TV on Sunday? I do want to
ask you.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
As an NBA guy, by the way, what's your what's
your NBA schedule this week?
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Uh? We we were off yesterday because the league goes dark.
League did not play a game yep on Election Tuesday.
So our next game let me thank here real quick.
I gotta go.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
You need a secretary, you need an assistant man.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
No, I know, I know, I know. I'm truly a
day by day guy. We have the Dallas Mavericks at
the Golden State Warriors. Warriors are surprising people. If had
some injuries, and yet they were five and one. I'm
not sure what they've done here last a couple of days,
but I've got Dallas at Golden State on Tuesday night
for GMG.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Got you.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
Yeah, they won last night, actually Golden State did, so
they're six and one right now. But Kevin, I want
to ask you about just kind of what people are
saying around the league about the Joel Embiid suspension. You know,
this writer in Philadelphia brings up his dead brother and
his son, and Embiid gets in his face and he's angry,
you know, justifiably in my opinion, angry, shoves the guy
(15:31):
and now is out a million bucks in a three
game suspensions.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
What's kind of the buzzer on the NBA about that situation?
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Well, you know, the guy for the guy that writes
for the Inquirer. I've not met him, I've rarely read him.
I don't know about it. I did have some people
tell me he is kind of an agitator and and
Embid is an easy target. He appears to be constantly
taking games off. The team is already deep in the
hole if he's only going to play sixty games because
(15:59):
they want to wait for the play if they may
not make the playoffs because that him playing sixty games
may not be good enough. And uh, he's making a
lot of money. And yet it seems like all the
city has done is wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait for him to be the player they thought he
would be. And he's been closed, he's got the MVPs,
he's done. But but the team can never get deep
(16:21):
into the playoffs. And it's always because he's nicked up
or injured. So the load management word is coming out
a lot. The league has had no pizazz right the
league is I don't know, last year they had a
little bomentum. We're and here's here's another thing too about
the NBA. We're getting to the end of these big
name players Lebron, Steph Curry. The these big name players
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are are are getting old Kevin Durant like like, and
when that group goes, the next group is the embiids,
the Devin Bookers, maybe you know Anderson up in Minnesota,
like like Doncic, who's Who's Who's not a flashy player
(17:05):
and certainly does not have the charisma that some of
these other guys do. The league isn't kind of an
interesting situation. Before it was it was Bird and Magic,
and then it was uh, Michael Jordan, and then it
was Kobe and and and then it was Lebron and
and now I don't know who the torch is gonna
go to, but there doesn't seem to be like an
(17:27):
electrifying player that is so captivating that you've got to
what yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
No doubt, all right before you go, here we go.
We got like a minute left. This is perfect. Uh,
this is what we call filler in the business. By
the way, it's time for another edition of Where will
Kevin Be?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
For TV? On Sunday.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
We know you got the Dolphins rams Monday. I'm gonna
say Eagles Cowboys is gonna go to Uh to Toromo's crew.
That's always a big one. I'm gonna guess, you know,
what the hell with it. I'm gonna just go with
the over reliable chiefs are back home. You live in
Kansas City, bosses, do you favor? You sleep in your
own bed, you wear your own pajamas, You eat breakfast
(18:04):
from your own ball. On Sunday morning, you get in
your tricycle and you drive over to Arrowhead for Denver,
Kansas City Sunday am I.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Right, yes, how about that baby?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Look who knows what he's talking about? Look who?
Speaker 5 (18:22):
How do you guys get the game? It's a split
national so I think we get I think we have
everything west of the Mississippi on that broadcast. So yeah,
you'll you'll see it. And the Chiefs are eight. No,
they've won fourteen consecutive games, including the playoffs, longest in
team history. They're doing it in a weird way. They've
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had a lot of one score wins, and they're defending
a title and they are right on track to make it.
There Again, I don't think they're the best team in
the AFC. The record said that otherwise. I think there
are a couple other teams that are probably better right now.
They're playing winning football, and there's not a team in
football that would not trade positions with it. You play
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winning football in this league, you don't care how it's done,
you don't care the margin will win. You're playing winning football.
It matters, and it builds momentum and conpetence, and the
Chiefs have all of those boxes checked right now.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Kevin, you're the man, great stuff as always, you really
brought it again, bring it again next Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
All right, enjoy it and we'll talk that pass about.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
All right, I'll find it five to twenty talk you paill.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
All right, man Kevin Harlan with us. We're gonna break
a lot. More to come from the five twenty bar
and grill on a busy Wednesday right here on ninety
three three KJRFM
They are NFL champions. The Seattlesyhawks have one Super Bowl
forty eight.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
As part of our non stop coverage of the NFL,
this is Softy's weekly visit with Kevin Harlan.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
He's a pulldozer, He's a beast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Brought to you by the Emerald Queen Casino, the betting
capital of the Northwest.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
He was like a pinball. Bang it off, buddies up
twenty three.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yard catch it hun come down to the beautiful EQUC
Sportsbook to bet, watch and win all season long.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Hit the touchdown, Hit the touchdown.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It's brad Bit purse.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
On Sports Radio ninety three point three KJR FM.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Third Down and the Length of a football.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Hunt in the backfield, Offset I with Carson Steele. Three
tight ends, touchdown, rinse it Mahomes under center.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Pitch, the samps pins, hunt up the pack, running over
the right guard, touchdown Chiefs. They win it head over
time thirty and twenty four and.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
They go to eight.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
No.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Well, that voice, that's silky smooth voice.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
Do you hear every single Wednesday on the radio show.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
You hear the voice.
Speaker 6 (01:06):
You see the face every Sunday on CBS and if
you want more, you'll hear it again every single Monday night.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Courtesy of Westwood One.
Speaker 6 (01:14):
Right here ninety three to three KJRFM, courtesy of The Emerald,
Queen Casino, Our friend from the NFL on Westwood One,
the NFL on CBS, the voice for millions of football fans.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Around the globe. Our pal, Kevin Harlan.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
How are you, buddy, Softy doing great? How are he?
Sounds like you're not in the studio tonight.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
No, we're at the five twenty bar and grill. You
remember the old five twenty bar and grill?
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Uh, yeah, I do.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Indeed, we're actually here because we do our show here
for one simple reason, because Mike Holmgren doesn't want to
have to fight traffic from his Kirkland home across the
bridge to go downtown to our office. So we do
the show here so Mike can have a short commute.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I think that's great. You keep around the Hall of
Coaching and uh make it make it a little easy
on him. I like that. Mike smart and you're smart
to do it by his wish.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:07):
Unfortunately, he's in Portugal right now, so he won't even
be here today. But we're here today and then I
gotta fly to Penn State tomorrow for the Hoskey game. Yeah, well,
we got to make sure we do our diligence, saying,
you know, do our fulfill our duty with the with
the with the bar. So anyway, it's great to hear
your voice, man, before we launch into a lot of
stuff happening with the Seahawks. I want to go back
to the game that you did Monday night. I'm I'm
(02:29):
I'm literally yelling at the TV go for two for
Tampa Bay and they went for the extra point and
they immediately give up. The touchdown was so predictable that
the outcome went the way it did. Why did Tampa
Bay not go for too And did you think that
was the right call?
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Well, yeah, I think we I was doing with Kurt Warner,
and I believe he said I'd probably go for two
you're on the road. I think the conditions, Todd Bowle
said afterwards, we're a concern. I don't know. I mean,
I'm not sure I did. Maybe had more faith in
his defense that they would make a hold and that
the offense to get it back and they'd be able
(03:07):
to get a field go and get out of there.
Or maybe they just felt coming back from the deficit
that they were going through that they, you know, just
to tie him and then to reassess where they were
was the better move. You know, it's you could probably
put ten coaches in a room and in this case
it may be six to four go for two, but
(03:28):
I think a lot of them would probably have gone
for just the game tying extra point as well. So
I've I mean, I don't know how you look at it.
I will say that the Buccaneers are a strong team.
Their quarterback is playing at a high level there without
their two top receivers, and they give the defending champions
on their turf in bad weather on the road, a
very difficult game.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
No question.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
The other piece of that game I want to ask
you about, and it turned out to be not a
big deal, I guess when it's all said and done.
But you're in the stadium when Patrick Mahomes hobbles off
after hitting the turf with what.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Looked like an ankle knee.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
I don't know what it was, but can you give
us an idea of what it's like to be in
that stadium when that guy gets hurt?
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Well, it was pretty quiet and rightly. So he was
down after he ran and he had to be hoisted
up to his feet, and you could sell. You could
tell by the look on his face that something was
not right. And these non contact injuries, these soft tissue Injuri,
these non contact injuries are just so scary because nine
(04:34):
times out of ten it's a significant issue. And that's
what you were thinking. Did he mess up his ankle,
which it looked like he did. Did he pop an achilles,
which he easily could. What was there something more nefarious
at work here with regard to the injury? And it
just turned out that he had just kind of come
on it wrong. The leg did not flex the way
(04:56):
it needed to or cushion the way that ankle needed
to come down. He may have been going a little
bit gingerly because the turf is wet. He was getting
rid of the ball. I mean he's being chased. I
mean he get getting close to the sideline. There's a
lot of play here, but he clearly came back from it.
Andy reads it after the game goes. I don't know
what he's got in his ankles, and all his ankles
(05:17):
are constructed, but he just he continues to defy medicine,
because most guys would be out and hobbling, and he
just goes right back in the game and acts like
nothing's happened. Now, he has had ankle injuries throughout his career,
not unlike Steph Curry in the NBA with the Golden
State Warriors, not as significant, but they've been there, so
something clearly to keep an eye in. I think he
(05:38):
works on this diligently during the off season so that
this is not an issue. But he's a lot of
quick twitch and if you're a quick twitch guy, your
ankles are under a great deal of stress.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt. I am not a quick twitch guy,
so I have no idea.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
I was just going to say that opposite of you,
that complete other direction of you, and you know what,
I'll throw myself in that category to you and I
are not quick twitch people.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, I was gonna ask you, I mean, what do
you do? What do you do to keep in shape
over the offseason?
Speaker 6 (06:07):
You play pick up basketball, the guys are you in
a beer softball league?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
What do you do to kind of get those competitive
juices flow in? Pal?
Speaker 5 (06:15):
I walk with my wife, That's what I do. And
I think what he does is he goes through We've
seen this on TV, a very extensive offseason, individual core work,
kind of unconventional, different kinds of ways to strengthen your body.
And here, let me just say this real quick about
the Chiefs and Mahomes. I think they're the most interesting
(06:37):
team aside from Baltimore in the NFL. They are winning
with new parts in different ways, and the quarterback doesn't
even remotely resemble what he was when he came into
the league. He is more game manager and winner than
he is. Generational arm talent with unconventional ways of throwing
(06:59):
the ball are just something we have not seen in
the league. He's gone from that to now, you know,
picking and poking his way down field with short passes,
relying on yards after catch after he gets the guys
in space, finding pockets of ope. He's settling for seven yards,
not having to go for twenty seven thirty seven every
(07:19):
time he goes down the field, like he's playing in
a different way. That is just I think very interesting.
The offense is being called different, and I think it's
going to continue to evolve with DeAndre Hopkins and their
new running back Kareem Hunt.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
No doubt Kevin Harlan is with us, who has no
need to evolve because he is already the greatest broadcast
during the history of the National Football League, so no
need to change anything.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
But he's with us here on the air courtesy of
the MRA Queen.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
Hey, dude, the Lions walked into Green Bay and walked
out with a win, which doesn't happen very often, seven
to one, twenty four fourteen over Green Bay. Are we
ready now to just simply proclaim the Lions the team
to beat without question in the NFC?
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Yeah, I would agree that the strongest, most physical, as
well coached as any I'm not ready to say he's
better than McVeigh. I'm not ready to say he's better
than Shanahan. But clearly what he's done and the turnaround
has been remarkable. You know, I don't think this Jared
Goff gets enough credit. He just here. Here's what's going
(08:25):
great for golf is he is not carrying the burden
of the entire offense. In Los Angeles, so much came
through him because all they did was throw. Are they
threw most of the time in Detroit. The balance there,
as it is with Washington, the balance with the Lions
is just eye opening. And the good teams have got
(08:47):
at Baltimore, Kansas City, Detroit, Washington, they've got great balance.
And anyone that thought that running backs were out of
vogue and didn't have a place and where like you
put out the past year, there's so wrong. You need
to run the ball as well as you throw it,
and that's where the NFL is right now. But it's
evolving from all passing, which is great, but the more reliable,
(09:08):
tried and true is to play the complimentary football. You
run the ball, you rest your defense, you sprinkle it
with passes, and you set up with a lot of
play action. You rely on your defense, and Detroit's defense
and the Chiefs defense and Baltimore's defense to a degree
it's not great, but they've got playmakers. Washington's defense pretty good.
(09:30):
Like like complimentary football, they're all playing it, but no
one is solely just passing the ball. Is you might
have seen four or five six years ago. Now it
is a lot of balance, and that really is the
word for success in the National Football Like balance on
offense is just so valuable and incredibly effective.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Right now, Well, there's a lot of Seahawks fans listening
right now, Kevin, that are not in their head.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, uh huh, uh huh.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Because the Seahawks right now, we're number one of the
un in passing attempts at three hundred and forty three,
yet only have a quarterback rating of eighty nine or
a passer rating of eighty nine, and the offense is
getting clocked here in Seattle. They lost to the Rams
again over the weekend. Gino through three interceptions, including two
inside the ten yard line, one of them taken back
(10:19):
for a pick six by the Rams over the weekend.
I mean, you saw these guys a couple of weeks ago,
and ever since the three and oh start, they've won
a game.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
And now they're four and five. What do you what
do you see happening out here?
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Well, four and five is great. Just let's get let's
get past Thanksgiving and be close to five hundred and
then in that division, Look how even all those teams
are right, I mean, they're all right there, so so
they're very much in it. Let me ask you a quick question,
walk has is he injured? Is he nicked up? Or
is he not?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
He's good diet or what he's good?
Speaker 5 (10:51):
But he ran? Yeah, I don't know what's going on then,
because when I saw him in Detroit, and that was
the last time I saw him after watching him after
watching the team win in Seattle over Miami up there
for CBS, and the next week we had him in
Detroit and he was unstoppable and the complimentary football was terrific.
(11:12):
So I don't know what's going on and what's happening
to Kenneth Walker, who I think, when he's on top
of his game, is as dangerous or running back as
you're gonna find. But clearly something's that I don't know
if it's your offensive line. I quite frankly now at
the NBA starting, I've not seen as much Seahawk fit
football from Afar as I probably should. I worry about
the games I've got, and I've got four different teams
(11:34):
every weekend, and I'm really really riled in on that.
I's I can't. I will tell you. I read a
couple of headlines, you see a couple of a couple
of replays. I keep track of Smith. I think he's
a very interesting player. But Walker, I think if you
can't run the ball in this league, you're in trouble.
So I don't know where that is with the Seahawks.
(11:55):
If you cannot run, you are in trouble.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Well tell ya.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
I mean, first of all, he was banged up. He's
good now. He was banged up for a little bit,
but his back. He had twenty five carries against the Rams,
Kevin for eighty three yards in that game and caught
three more balls for twenty four yards. He was well
over one hundred yards in total offense. But the offensive
line here is just awful. I mean, they got Abe
Lucas banged up, George George Fan came back and lasted
like seventeen snaps and got hurt again in this in
(12:21):
this game against the Rams. And I guess I'm just
trying to figure out why it's been so freaking hard
for teams to build offensive lines or is that just
a problem that we have out here.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
No, it's all over the league now. Listen, Rams are
a team that's rising, right, They're getting guys back, They're
getting they're getting guys back on their line. They got
the two receivers involved again. We were both were out
for the first part of the season. Kyron Williams is
a force. The quarterback is smart and you take away
maybe some of the top glittering names at the top
(12:51):
of the NFC quarterback list, and Stafford is still as
effective as anybody went needed. Rams are a good team. Welcome,
we know that. Now. I don't know what it is
about offensive lineman it is. I will tell you this.
I think it is more important to have the same guys,
have continuity of differing abilities, regardless of where you were
(13:15):
drafted or undrafted, how you got there. If you can
start the same line game after game after game, if
you've run with that line through training camp, those are
usually the offensive lines that thrive. It is more about continuity, right,
and chemistry and covering for your brother and helping on
(13:35):
the line, and and and and just knowing the nuances
of what that line does. That is almost if you're
if you're juggling technicles every game, and and a and
a guard every game and different players are in there.
That that the stress of an offensive line is is
incalculable because that's the one group as a fivesome that's
in there literally every play, and the more they play together,
(13:58):
even if they're varying talent, it's always better. And and
and and I'm not sure I couldn't give you the
specifics on the line, but if they're shuffling guys in
and out all the time, that's a recipe for disaster
and it's just no continuity.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
No, that's exactly what they're doing. I mean, I mean
you just literally described it to a t. I mean,
they they're trying to get away from that. They they're
they're going with Anthony Bradford now as their right guard.
But that was just last week against the Rams, and then,
like we said, George Fan got banged up again. Kevin
Harlan's with us and and Kevin before we find out
where will.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Kevin be for TV on Sunday? I do want to
ask you.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
As an NBA guy, by the way, what's your what's
your NBA schedule this week?
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Uh? We we were off yesterday because the league goes dark.
League did not play a game yep on Election Tuesday.
So our next game let me thank here real quick.
I gotta go.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
You need a secretary, you need an assistant man.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
No, I know, I know, I know. I'm truly a
day by day guy. We have the Dallas Mavericks at
the Golden State Warriors. Warriors are surprising people. If had
some injuries, and yet they were five and one. I'm
not sure what they've done here last a couple of days,
but I've got Dallas at Golden State on Tuesday night
for GMG.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Got you.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
Yeah, they won last night, actually Golden State did, so
they're six and one right now. But Kevin, I want
to ask you about just kind of what people are
saying around the league about the Joel Embiid suspension. You know,
this writer in Philadelphia brings up his dead brother and
his son, and Embiid gets in his face and he's angry,
you know, justifiably in my opinion, angry, shoves the guy
(15:31):
and now is out a million bucks in a three
game suspensions.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
What's kind of the buzzer on the NBA about that situation?
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Well, you know, the guy for the guy that writes
for the Inquirer. I've not met him, I've rarely read him.
I don't know about it. I did have some people
tell me he is kind of an agitator and and
Embid is an easy target. He appears to be constantly
taking games off. The team is already deep in the
hole if he's only going to play sixty games because
(15:59):
they want to wait for the play if they may
not make the playoffs because that him playing sixty games
may not be good enough. And uh, he's making a
lot of money. And yet it seems like all the
city has done is wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait for him to be the player they thought he
would be. And he's been closed, he's got the MVPs,
he's done. But but the team can never get deep
(16:21):
into the playoffs. And it's always because he's nicked up
or injured. So the load management word is coming out
a lot. The league has had no pizazz right the
league is I don't know, last year they had a
little bomentum. We're and here's here's another thing too about
the NBA. We're getting to the end of these big
name players Lebron, Steph Curry. The these big name players
(16:45):
are are are getting old Kevin Durant like like, and
when that group goes, the next group is the embiids,
the Devin Bookers, maybe you know Anderson up in Minnesota,
like like Doncic, who's Who's Who's not a flashy player
(17:05):
and certainly does not have the charisma that some of
these other guys do. The league isn't kind of an
interesting situation. Before it was it was Bird and Magic,
and then it was uh, Michael Jordan, and then it
was Kobe and and and then it was Lebron and
and now I don't know who the torch is gonna
go to, but there doesn't seem to be like an
(17:27):
electrifying player that is so captivating that you've got to
what yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
No doubt, all right before you go, here we go.
We got like a minute left. This is perfect. Uh,
this is what we call filler in the business. By
the way, it's time for another edition of Where will
Kevin Be?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
For TV? On Sunday.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
We know you got the Dolphins rams Monday. I'm gonna
say Eagles Cowboys is gonna go to Uh to Toromo's crew.
That's always a big one. I'm gonna guess, you know,
what the hell with it. I'm gonna just go with
the over reliable chiefs are back home. You live in
Kansas City, bosses, do you favor? You sleep in your
own bed, you wear your own pajamas, You eat breakfast
(18:04):
from your own ball. On Sunday morning, you get in
your tricycle and you drive over to Arrowhead for Denver,
Kansas City Sunday am I.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Right, yes, how about that baby?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Look who knows what he's talking about? Look who?
Speaker 5 (18:22):
How do you guys get the game? It's a split
national so I think we get I think we have
everything west of the Mississippi on that broadcast. So yeah,
you'll you'll see it. And the Chiefs are eight. No,
they've won fourteen consecutive games, including the playoffs, longest in
team history. They're doing it in a weird way. They've
(18:43):
had a lot of one score wins, and they're defending
a title and they are right on track to make it.
There Again, I don't think they're the best team in
the AFC. The record said that otherwise. I think there
are a couple other teams that are probably better right now.
They're playing winning football, and there's not a team in
football that would not trade positions with it. You play
(19:05):
winning football in this league, you don't care how it's done,
you don't care the margin will win. You're playing winning football.
It matters, and it builds momentum and conpetence, and the
Chiefs have all of those boxes checked right now.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Kevin, you're the man, great stuff as always, you really
brought it again, bring it again next Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
All right, enjoy it and we'll talk that pass about.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
All right, I'll find it five to twenty talk you paill.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
All right, man Kevin Harlan with us. We're gonna break
a lot. More to come from the five twenty bar
and grill on a busy Wednesday right here on ninety
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