February 5, 2025 • 18 mins
Kevin Harlan of CBS and TNT - And calling his 15th straight Super Bowl for Westwood One - joins Dave Softy Mahler to talk about the game, Andy Reid, Saquon Barkley, the Mahomes vs. Brady GOAT debate, and the Hall of Fame candidacy for Mike Holmgren.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
They are NFL champions.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Settles Hawks have one.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Super Bowl forty eight.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
As part of our non stop coverage of the NFL,
this is Softy's weekly visit with Kevin Harlan.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
He's a pulledouthor he's a beast.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Brought to you by the Emerald Queen Casino, the betting
capital of the Northwest.
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He was like a pinfall, banging off buddies up twenty.
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equc Sportsbook to bet, watch and win all season long.
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On Sports Radio ninety three point three KJR FM.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
All right, boys and girls, here we go on a
busy Wednesday afternoon. Right here on ninety three to three KJRFM.
Five o'clock means one thing and one thing only, And
what a week to have that one thing on our show.
A chance to talk to the voice of the NFL
on CBS, the NFL on Westwood One, the NBA on TNT,
and on Sunday, the voice to millions of people, undreds
(01:00):
of millions of people around the globe on Westwood One
for Super Bowl fifty nine. You hear the call here
at three point thirty on Sunday, pregame starts at eleven.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
We are honored. We are hashtag blessed baby.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
As the kids like to say to welcome in the
voice of the Super Bowl Kevin Harlan, how are you.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Pal Well, that was a nice indro. It's always good
being on with you, Dave, and it's an honor to
broadcast this super Bowl again, looking very forward to Sunday night.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah, there's there's so much that goes into the TV
broadcast right, hours and hours, weeks and weeks, months and months.
Does the TV excuse me, does the radio broadcast feel
really any different for you on Sunday preparing for it
once the game kicks.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Off to any other game you do during the regular season.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
No, it's a little different than TV. With radio, it's
all about the call, the moment, and and there's really
no time for stories. All the statistics, all the anecdotes
have been you know, spewed all week long. We all
will know them in our sleep. So the most important
(02:09):
thing for me I've learned is to treat it like
any other game. I don't mean to downplay it, but
that keeps my emotions and my nerves and check yep.
And I would just say that that I I am
ready to call. I know the players. I've watched the
tape continue that from began yesterday. We'll continue that all
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week long. But the only thing that's really going to
matter is the call. And I can have little notes
to throw in there, but I think people are pretty
familiar with the major storylines of the game. So it's
the call that's going to really be number one on
my list. And I've always kind of found that's the
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best way to do it, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I mean, you do it better than anybody. How many
how many Super Bowls?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Now? Is this fifteen in a row?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Luckily blessed fifteen straight?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Well, and you've seen every one of Kansas City's obviously,
I mean, look, if they win it. You know the
three peat I saw where the NFL had to strike
a deal with pat Riley because he had the three
peat label obviously to himself had that trademarked Eagles. No
doubt we'll use that as motivation for this game on Sunday.
But I mean, everybody's expecting a tight game Vegas has
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the Chiefs given a point and a half, they think
it'll be a tight game. Is there any reason at
all for you to feel like, Hey, if you're going
to tune in for five minutes of this game, make
it the final five minutes.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
No.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I would say last two Super bowls for the Chiefs
have been close, one of which was against the Eagles.
Only thing that could change any of this, of course,
is quarterback injury and that aside. I see a close
game and I see a final possession game.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
No, I'm totally with you on that.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
By the way, I think it's going to come down
to the i'll play of the game, and I can't
think of anybody better to call that than you. But
Kevin Harlan's with us again on the radio show. And
I mean Andy Reid said the other day that he's
going to coach in twenty twenty five, and then he
doesn't know. I mean, you know Andy Reid as well
as anybody. Do you actually envision a scenario where he
coaches one more year, Kevin and then calls it quits.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I don't know. You know, if you'd win this year,
it'd be a pretty you know, smooth transition to saying
I'm going to retire. This is this can't be beat
and he's going to be right. It's happened only two
other times in the history of pro football, three consecutive
NFL champions and that would not surprise me. Even though
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he has say he's coming back. I do think a
lot of this is tied to Mahomes and how special
their relationship is and how well they work together. Everything
is running smoothly. They've got good young players on both
sides of the ball, a lot of reasons to come back.
I mean, I mean, and you'd be trying to go
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for four in a row. YEA. So no, I'm in.
I definitely think he'll come back even if he wins,
although I wouldn't be surprised if he retired on that podium.
But it doesn't surprise me that he says he wants
to come back for another year. Yep. And clearly it's
tied it to Patrick Mahomes. Boy.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
You said you've watched all the tape, You've broken down
all the stats, Kevin, and will rely on your expert
analysis to give us an idea of how this game
may go on Sunday. But it's funny because nobody's asking
how the Chiefs can win the game. We know how
the Chiefs can win the game with Mahomes magic, which
is what you've seen now for seventeen consecutive wins by
Kansas City. But paint a picture on how Philadelphia, if
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Jalen Hurts and if Nick Sirianni is going to slay
the Beast and Andy Reid and take him down on Sunday,
how does Philadelphia get this done?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
If they do get it done.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Church has got to play like he did in the
last Super Bowl against the Chiefs. Really he was the
MVP until Kansas City pulled it out at the end
and then Mahomes got it. But at Philadelphia one the
clearcut MVP was Jalen Hurts, So he's got to play
that kind of game. Barkley has got to be what
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he's been all postseason, which has been unstoppable. And their
defense on paper, player for player, pound for pound is
probably better than the Chiefs. Better playmakers they just seem
to have. They're really playing well. Vic Fangio. One of
the great matchups is going to be Fangio and his
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defense for the Eagles and Steve Spagnolo, the defensive coordinator
for the Chiefs. These are two of the best coordinators
in the league, and they've spent now two weeks trying
to go at the other quarterback, planning, plotting, and trying
to diagnose what to do. I'm I'm confident that the
defenses are going to play well. Yeah, that that leads
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me to it to a one score game. But all
that being said, if Hurts plays the kind of game
he did in the Super Bowl two years ago, and
Barkley is Barkley, I think the Eagles will be tough
to be.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah, well yeah, yeah, Look, Barkley has averaged one hundred
and twenty nine yards a game this year. If I
have my numbers right, I'm sure you'll correct me if
I'm wrong. By the way, because you are the.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Official, I'm not going to correct you that debt. We're teammates.
We don't do that.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
No, that's that's fine. I just want to be right,
you know, as always want to be factual. But he's
averaging one hundred and thirty yards a game. I think
Vegas has put the over under in the game at
like one hundred and twelve and a half rushing yards.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I mean, you mentioned Spagnola.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
How surprised would you be if Saquon Barkley just went
bananas on Steve Spagnola's defense on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well, he's gonna get his yard. It's like playing against
Lebron or Jordan or Kobe or whoever you're You're going
to see them score twenty five thirty points. It's making
sure that no one else goes off. So so Barkley
could have the game. But Hurts has got to have
a game stride for stride with him. They both have
(08:13):
got to play incredible games for the Eagles. But the
Chiefs are good stoff in the run. Now listen, they
take you know, the Houston Oil Houston the Texans early
in the Divisional round at Arrowhead and Mixon had a
good day. Yep, they took on. James took the running
back for Buffalo two weeks ago in the AFC Championship game.
(08:35):
He had a good day. Surprising, these teams have slowed
their running attack as the game has gone on. My
guess is Philadelphia will not do that, and they will
stick right with that running attack, and so Barkley will
be a forced the entire game.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Yeah, no, I got you. Well, look, I mean the
goat talk is already starting. You and I have discussed
it for the last maybe a couple of weeks or whatever,
a couple of months and seven straight ference championships, three
straight Super Bowl appearances. He's already got three MVPs to
his name in the Super Bowl. They win this, it's
three in a row for the first time ever. I mean,
(09:11):
even if you're not ready yet to call this guy
the goat and you want to see if he can
get to seven rings like Brady this run. If Mahomes
finishes this off on Sunday, is this maybe the greatest
seven year run that any player has ever had ever
in the history of the NFL.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Oh, yeah, no, I would agree with that statement. Greatest
seven year run. Yes, I would definitely agree with that statement.
Whether he's the greatest of all time. You know, Brady's
individual numbers are shocking. He did all that over twenty years.
Longevity plays a role. Then he did it with another
team and won another Super Bowl. So there's a lot,
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there's a lot there to digest with Brady. But clearly
it would be one in one A. But I still
put Brady number one, even if Patrick wins this weekend.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Well, Brady, when he was like what forty three, forty four,
forty five years old. I think he threw the numbers
are like twelve thousand yards, one hundred touchdowns, whatever, dropped
back two thousand times and won a championship. So I
think we're gonna be waiting until later in Mahomes's career
to see if he can almost do what Lebron's doing
right now? Don't you think that the longevity and how
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he performs when he's in his early forties, if he
does play that long, we got to kind of wait
to see if he can do what Brady did in
that regard.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Well, no other quarterback has been to as many Super
Bowls at this age under thirty than him. He's twenty nine.
He'll be in for the fifth time in six years.
No quarterback has ever done that, which goes to your point. Yeah,
one of the greatest seven year runs in the history
by an individual player in pro football history. But again,
(10:53):
I guess I look with a white lens and say
it was incredible. It was a Gail Sayers type seven.
And it's not going to end. I mean, he's twenty nine,
he'll play. He'll play another five years for sure, which
is going to give him multiple opportunities. If the head
coach days, who knows what they're going to put together,
(11:14):
So I would put nothing. He's got this nat for
winning that is so rare, and even when he's not
at his best, he still wins. Yeah, and that that
I think is kind of incomparable.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Yeah, fourteen thousand yards and one hundred and eight touchdowns
between the ages of forty three and forty five, So
that that is saying something, man, no doubt. Well, Kevin
Harlan's with us the voice of Super Bowl fifty nine again.
Pregame show starts at eleven, kickoff at three point thirty.
I was surprised, Kevin, how much attention the league is
giving this conspiracy theory that people have regarding the referees.
(11:49):
Goadell talked about it, the officials union, somebody came out
and had some statement the other day about it on
social media. Were you surprised that they gave it that
much attention.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Well, it's become almost larger than life, and it truly
is the elephant in the room that you know. This
has been brought up multiple times as the season is
wound down and has intensified over the last couple of
weeks with the two playoff wins the Chiefs had over
the Texans and over the Bills. So you know, I listen,
(12:26):
when you're always at the top, everybody wants to poke
a hole in your success. And there is some Chiefs fatigue.
I think everybody is well aware of that. We had
Patriot and Brady fatigue too, So I guess it's part
and parcel with the team that seems to get a
lot of calls. I don't know what the statistical breakdown is.
(12:48):
I don't bother with that, but it's gotten deep into
those trenches with the numbers and all the things going
on with those numbers and how it favors the Chiefs,
I don't see it. There may have been a couple
of questionable calls in that Bills game, that fourth and
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one run, Yep, I thought he may have had it.
You know, Just a variety of things over the last
half of the season have come up as the Chiefs
have been on this road, and I think it's kind
of kind of comes with the territory, and I think
they're used to it, and I think they they hear it.
I think the league definitely hears it, because, like you said,
(13:31):
they've trusted Yep. And but but I don't. I don't
think there's anything to it, and I certainly want to
believe that more than anything else.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Well, Kevin Harlan's with us, Kevin No, Miles Garrett thing
that broke the air day where he wants out of Cleveland.
And you know, it's only been like six or seven
defenders I think in the history of the NFL that
have been traded for a first round draft pick, let
alone multiple first round picks, and the Seahawks were involved
in two of them with Jamal Adams and Frank Clark.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
But Miles Garrett, it's.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Gonna be thirty years alwa, He's got sixty sacks in
four years, under contract for two more years. If the
Browns are asking two first rounders from Miles Garrett, I
mean obviously depends on the team we're talking about what
they already have. But does that seem like a deal
that you'd consider doing for him?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Well, he's a Hall of Famer. I think he's twenty nine.
I don't think he's thirty yet, is he? No?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Not yet?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, he's got good years left in him. That position
has some has some longevity to it. You're getting a
Hall of Famer, might be the missing piece on the line.
I see why he wants to leave, and I can
see why teams would be interested. I just don't know
if that asking price is too steep. We're gonna find
out soon. But he clearly is one of those players
that is unique. Yeah, and one of one.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Yeah, well, the other story. I gotta get your thoughts on.
There's two of them before you go, all right, And
I can just feel you itching to get behind that
microphone on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
We're itching to hear you call the.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Game on Sunday, by the way, so you're right there
with you. Mike Holmgrinn is up for the Hall of Fame.
He's a finalist, and apparently we're gonna find out tomorrow
night on the NFL Honor Show with everybody else.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
How surprised, disappointed?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Whatever would you be if Mike Homgrin does not hear
his name called tomorrow night.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I won't be surprised, they'll be disappointed. I think he
has earned it. I think his success speaks for itself.
He's got a resume that is terrific. He's worked with
the best quarterbacks in the game. He's at success wherever
he went. I just think he belongs. I can't really
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even go. I think it's fairly obvious for me. You
and I are close to him, we revere him, and
I'm just hoping it falls in his direction tomorrow and
I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, no, totally with you.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I would love to hear you and Kurt get a
chance to maybe talk about that. If you know what,
if it's a blowout, all right, don't worry about it
if it's a close game. But if it's a blowout
one way or the other ten points or more, feel
free to give our guy Michael little shout out and
add me too, your buddy for crying out loud. Hey, Kevin,
before you go, you're doing NBA stuff as well. I
got to get a thought from you on the Luca
trade that came down over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Man, what was your reaction when you saw that news
on Saturday?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Well, pretty stunned. I wasn't sure if it was correct
or not, but right I do know there are issues
with his conditioning and the way he takes care of himself.
The Mavericks are facing a gigantic contract decision with him
at the end of the year or two years for
the Supermax. We all know his talent. He's had a
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hard time staying healthy. Lakers need star power in Los Angeles, Lakers.
I think that's the best part of this deal. I
do think Anthony Davis. So I'm going to see tomorrow
night in Boston against the Celtics. If he plays, I
think there's a chance he could for the Mavericks. He
helps him defensively. I think Dallas is believing they've got
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a store shore if their defense that has been an issue,
and he could definitely do that. The he's thirty one
and the clock is kicking on him is maybe too strong. Yeah,
but he's clearly in the second half of his career.
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Doncic is in the first half and it's playing great.
He took the team to the finals last year. For goodness.
Say so, we haven't had many first team All NBA
guys traded for each other, but sure enough we did
over the weekend and it was stunning.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
No doubt. All right, man, listen, have fun on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Can't wait to hear you call the game three point
thirty on CAGR and across the country, across the globe
on the Armed Forces Radio Network. And congratulations to you.
I mean, this is just proof positive that if a
young man from Milwaukee, Wisconsin can grow up to call
fifteen straight Super Bowls, anybody can accomplish whatever they set
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their mind to.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Anybody can do it. If I can do it, anybody
can do it.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
We'll lave me go get them on Sunday and we'll
talk in a week and wrap it up. Man all.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Palank, thank you, Thank you, Pale. Have a good week,
Dave week.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Kevin Harlan with us.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
He's got the call for Westwood one Sunday of the
Super Bowl. We'll get a break. If you missed Jed
Fish yesterday, I thought he was phenomenal. I thought the
guys asking the questions were great. Uh you go hear
that six twenty tonight with the Coach of the Dogs
on ninety three three kJ RFM.
They are NFL champions.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Settles Hawks have one.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Super Bowl forty eight.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
As part of our non stop coverage of the NFL,
this is Softy's weekly visit with Kevin Harlan.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
He's a pulledouthor he's a beast.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Brought to you by the Emerald Queen Casino, the betting
capital of the Northwest.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
He was like a pinfall, banging off buddies up twenty.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Three yard catch it run, Come down to the beautiful
equc Sportsbook to bet, watch and win all season long.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Hit the touchdown, Hit the touchdown, HiT's crapy curse.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
On Sports Radio ninety three point three KJR FM.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
All right, boys and girls, here we go on a
busy Wednesday afternoon. Right here on ninety three to three KJRFM.
Five o'clock means one thing and one thing only, And
what a week to have that one thing on our show.
A chance to talk to the voice of the NFL
on CBS, the NFL on Westwood One, the NBA on TNT,
and on Sunday, the voice to millions of people, undreds
(01:00):
of millions of people around the globe on Westwood One
for Super Bowl fifty nine. You hear the call here
at three point thirty on Sunday, pregame starts at eleven.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
We are honored. We are hashtag blessed baby.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
As the kids like to say to welcome in the
voice of the Super Bowl Kevin Harlan, how are you.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Pal Well, that was a nice indro. It's always good
being on with you, Dave, and it's an honor to
broadcast this super Bowl again, looking very forward to Sunday night.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah, there's there's so much that goes into the TV
broadcast right, hours and hours, weeks and weeks, months and months.
Does the TV excuse me, does the radio broadcast feel
really any different for you on Sunday preparing for it
once the game kicks.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Off to any other game you do during the regular season.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
No, it's a little different than TV. With radio, it's
all about the call, the moment, and and there's really
no time for stories. All the statistics, all the anecdotes
have been you know, spewed all week long. We all
will know them in our sleep. So the most important
(02:09):
thing for me I've learned is to treat it like
any other game. I don't mean to downplay it, but
that keeps my emotions and my nerves and check yep.
And I would just say that that I I am
ready to call. I know the players. I've watched the
tape continue that from began yesterday. We'll continue that all
(02:33):
week long. But the only thing that's really going to
matter is the call. And I can have little notes
to throw in there, but I think people are pretty
familiar with the major storylines of the game. So it's
the call that's going to really be number one on
my list. And I've always kind of found that's the
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best way to do it, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I mean, you do it better than anybody. How many
how many Super Bowls?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Now? Is this fifteen in a row?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Luckily blessed fifteen straight?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Well, and you've seen every one of Kansas City's obviously,
I mean, look, if they win it. You know the
three peat I saw where the NFL had to strike
a deal with pat Riley because he had the three
peat label obviously to himself had that trademarked Eagles. No
doubt we'll use that as motivation for this game on Sunday.
But I mean, everybody's expecting a tight game Vegas has
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the Chiefs given a point and a half, they think
it'll be a tight game. Is there any reason at
all for you to feel like, Hey, if you're going
to tune in for five minutes of this game, make
it the final five minutes.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
No.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I would say last two Super bowls for the Chiefs
have been close, one of which was against the Eagles.
Only thing that could change any of this, of course,
is quarterback injury and that aside. I see a close
game and I see a final possession game.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
No, I'm totally with you on that.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
By the way, I think it's going to come down
to the i'll play of the game, and I can't
think of anybody better to call that than you. But
Kevin Harlan's with us again on the radio show. And
I mean Andy Reid said the other day that he's
going to coach in twenty twenty five, and then he
doesn't know. I mean, you know Andy Reid as well
as anybody. Do you actually envision a scenario where he
coaches one more year, Kevin and then calls it quits.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I don't know. You know, if you'd win this year,
it'd be a pretty you know, smooth transition to saying
I'm going to retire. This is this can't be beat
and he's going to be right. It's happened only two
other times in the history of pro football, three consecutive
NFL champions and that would not surprise me. Even though
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he has say he's coming back. I do think a
lot of this is tied to Mahomes and how special
their relationship is and how well they work together. Everything
is running smoothly. They've got good young players on both
sides of the ball, a lot of reasons to come back.
I mean, I mean, and you'd be trying to go
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for four in a row. YEA. So no, I'm in.
I definitely think he'll come back even if he wins,
although I wouldn't be surprised if he retired on that podium.
But it doesn't surprise me that he says he wants
to come back for another year. Yep. And clearly it's
tied it to Patrick Mahomes. Boy.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
You said you've watched all the tape, You've broken down
all the stats, Kevin, and will rely on your expert
analysis to give us an idea of how this game
may go on Sunday. But it's funny because nobody's asking
how the Chiefs can win the game. We know how
the Chiefs can win the game with Mahomes magic, which
is what you've seen now for seventeen consecutive wins by
Kansas City. But paint a picture on how Philadelphia, if
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Jalen Hurts and if Nick Sirianni is going to slay
the Beast and Andy Reid and take him down on Sunday,
how does Philadelphia get this done?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
If they do get it done.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Church has got to play like he did in the
last Super Bowl against the Chiefs. Really he was the
MVP until Kansas City pulled it out at the end
and then Mahomes got it. But at Philadelphia one the
clearcut MVP was Jalen Hurts, So he's got to play
that kind of game. Barkley has got to be what
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he's been all postseason, which has been unstoppable. And their
defense on paper, player for player, pound for pound is
probably better than the Chiefs. Better playmakers they just seem
to have. They're really playing well. Vic Fangio. One of
the great matchups is going to be Fangio and his
(06:43):
defense for the Eagles and Steve Spagnolo, the defensive coordinator
for the Chiefs. These are two of the best coordinators
in the league, and they've spent now two weeks trying
to go at the other quarterback, planning, plotting, and trying
to diagnose what to do. I'm I'm confident that the
defenses are going to play well. Yeah, that that leads
(07:05):
me to it to a one score game. But all
that being said, if Hurts plays the kind of game
he did in the Super Bowl two years ago, and
Barkley is Barkley, I think the Eagles will be tough
to be.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah, well yeah, yeah, Look, Barkley has averaged one hundred
and twenty nine yards a game this year. If I
have my numbers right, I'm sure you'll correct me if
I'm wrong. By the way, because you are the.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Official, I'm not going to correct you that debt. We're teammates.
We don't do that.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
No, that's that's fine. I just want to be right,
you know, as always want to be factual. But he's
averaging one hundred and thirty yards a game. I think
Vegas has put the over under in the game at
like one hundred and twelve and a half rushing yards.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I mean, you mentioned Spagnola.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
How surprised would you be if Saquon Barkley just went
bananas on Steve Spagnola's defense on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well, he's gonna get his yard. It's like playing against
Lebron or Jordan or Kobe or whoever you're You're going
to see them score twenty five thirty points. It's making
sure that no one else goes off. So so Barkley
could have the game. But Hurts has got to have
a game stride for stride with him. They both have
(08:13):
got to play incredible games for the Eagles. But the
Chiefs are good stoff in the run. Now listen, they
take you know, the Houston Oil Houston the Texans early
in the Divisional round at Arrowhead and Mixon had a
good day. Yep, they took on. James took the running
back for Buffalo two weeks ago in the AFC Championship game.
(08:35):
He had a good day. Surprising, these teams have slowed
their running attack as the game has gone on. My
guess is Philadelphia will not do that, and they will
stick right with that running attack, and so Barkley will
be a forced the entire game.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Yeah, no, I got you. Well, look, I mean the
goat talk is already starting. You and I have discussed
it for the last maybe a couple of weeks or whatever,
a couple of months and seven straight ference championships, three
straight Super Bowl appearances. He's already got three MVPs to
his name in the Super Bowl. They win this, it's
three in a row for the first time ever. I mean,
(09:11):
even if you're not ready yet to call this guy
the goat and you want to see if he can
get to seven rings like Brady this run. If Mahomes
finishes this off on Sunday, is this maybe the greatest
seven year run that any player has ever had ever
in the history of the NFL.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Oh, yeah, no, I would agree with that statement. Greatest
seven year run. Yes, I would definitely agree with that statement.
Whether he's the greatest of all time. You know, Brady's
individual numbers are shocking. He did all that over twenty years.
Longevity plays a role. Then he did it with another
team and won another Super Bowl. So there's a lot,
(09:51):
there's a lot there to digest with Brady. But clearly
it would be one in one A. But I still
put Brady number one, even if Patrick wins this weekend.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Well, Brady, when he was like what forty three, forty four,
forty five years old. I think he threw the numbers
are like twelve thousand yards, one hundred touchdowns, whatever, dropped
back two thousand times and won a championship. So I
think we're gonna be waiting until later in Mahomes's career
to see if he can almost do what Lebron's doing
right now? Don't you think that the longevity and how
(10:24):
he performs when he's in his early forties, if he
does play that long, we got to kind of wait
to see if he can do what Brady did in
that regard.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Well, no other quarterback has been to as many Super
Bowls at this age under thirty than him. He's twenty nine.
He'll be in for the fifth time in six years.
No quarterback has ever done that, which goes to your point. Yeah,
one of the greatest seven year runs in the history
by an individual player in pro football history. But again,
(10:53):
I guess I look with a white lens and say
it was incredible. It was a Gail Sayers type seven.
And it's not going to end. I mean, he's twenty nine,
he'll play. He'll play another five years for sure, which
is going to give him multiple opportunities. If the head
coach days, who knows what they're going to put together,
(11:14):
So I would put nothing. He's got this nat for
winning that is so rare, and even when he's not
at his best, he still wins. Yeah, and that that
I think is kind of incomparable.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Yeah, fourteen thousand yards and one hundred and eight touchdowns
between the ages of forty three and forty five, So
that that is saying something, man, no doubt. Well, Kevin
Harlan's with us the voice of Super Bowl fifty nine again.
Pregame show starts at eleven, kickoff at three point thirty.
I was surprised, Kevin, how much attention the league is
giving this conspiracy theory that people have regarding the referees.
(11:49):
Goadell talked about it, the officials union, somebody came out
and had some statement the other day about it on
social media. Were you surprised that they gave it that
much attention.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Well, it's become almost larger than life, and it truly
is the elephant in the room that you know. This
has been brought up multiple times as the season is
wound down and has intensified over the last couple of
weeks with the two playoff wins the Chiefs had over
the Texans and over the Bills. So you know, I listen,
(12:26):
when you're always at the top, everybody wants to poke
a hole in your success. And there is some Chiefs fatigue.
I think everybody is well aware of that. We had
Patriot and Brady fatigue too, So I guess it's part
and parcel with the team that seems to get a
lot of calls. I don't know what the statistical breakdown is.
(12:48):
I don't bother with that, but it's gotten deep into
those trenches with the numbers and all the things going
on with those numbers and how it favors the Chiefs,
I don't see it. There may have been a couple
of questionable calls in that Bills game, that fourth and
(13:10):
one run, Yep, I thought he may have had it.
You know, Just a variety of things over the last
half of the season have come up as the Chiefs
have been on this road, and I think it's kind
of kind of comes with the territory, and I think
they're used to it, and I think they they hear it.
I think the league definitely hears it, because, like you said,
(13:31):
they've trusted Yep. And but but I don't. I don't
think there's anything to it, and I certainly want to
believe that more than anything else.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Well, Kevin Harlan's with us, Kevin No, Miles Garrett thing
that broke the air day where he wants out of Cleveland.
And you know, it's only been like six or seven
defenders I think in the history of the NFL that
have been traded for a first round draft pick, let
alone multiple first round picks, and the Seahawks were involved
in two of them with Jamal Adams and Frank Clark.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
But Miles Garrett, it's.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Gonna be thirty years alwa, He's got sixty sacks in
four years, under contract for two more years. If the
Browns are asking two first rounders from Miles Garrett, I
mean obviously depends on the team we're talking about what
they already have. But does that seem like a deal
that you'd consider doing for him?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Well, he's a Hall of Famer. I think he's twenty nine.
I don't think he's thirty yet, is he? No?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Not yet?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, he's got good years left in him. That position
has some has some longevity to it. You're getting a
Hall of Famer, might be the missing piece on the line.
I see why he wants to leave, and I can
see why teams would be interested. I just don't know
if that asking price is too steep. We're gonna find
out soon. But he clearly is one of those players
that is unique. Yeah, and one of one.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Yeah, well, the other story. I gotta get your thoughts on.
There's two of them before you go, all right, And
I can just feel you itching to get behind that
microphone on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
We're itching to hear you call the.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Game on Sunday, by the way, so you're right there
with you. Mike Holmgrinn is up for the Hall of Fame.
He's a finalist, and apparently we're gonna find out tomorrow
night on the NFL Honor Show with everybody else.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
How surprised, disappointed?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Whatever would you be if Mike Homgrin does not hear
his name called tomorrow night.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I won't be surprised, they'll be disappointed. I think he
has earned it. I think his success speaks for itself.
He's got a resume that is terrific. He's worked with
the best quarterbacks in the game. He's at success wherever
he went. I just think he belongs. I can't really
(15:28):
even go. I think it's fairly obvious for me. You
and I are close to him, we revere him, and
I'm just hoping it falls in his direction tomorrow and
I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, no, totally with you.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I would love to hear you and Kurt get a
chance to maybe talk about that. If you know what,
if it's a blowout, all right, don't worry about it
if it's a close game. But if it's a blowout
one way or the other ten points or more, feel
free to give our guy Michael little shout out and
add me too, your buddy for crying out loud. Hey, Kevin,
before you go, you're doing NBA stuff as well. I
got to get a thought from you on the Luca
trade that came down over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Man, what was your reaction when you saw that news
on Saturday?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Well, pretty stunned. I wasn't sure if it was correct
or not, but right I do know there are issues
with his conditioning and the way he takes care of himself.
The Mavericks are facing a gigantic contract decision with him
at the end of the year or two years for
the Supermax. We all know his talent. He's had a
(16:32):
hard time staying healthy. Lakers need star power in Los Angeles, Lakers.
I think that's the best part of this deal. I
do think Anthony Davis. So I'm going to see tomorrow
night in Boston against the Celtics. If he plays, I
think there's a chance he could for the Mavericks. He
helps him defensively. I think Dallas is believing they've got
(16:54):
a store shore if their defense that has been an issue,
and he could definitely do that. The he's thirty one
and the clock is kicking on him is maybe too strong. Yeah,
but he's clearly in the second half of his career.
(17:15):
Doncic is in the first half and it's playing great.
He took the team to the finals last year. For goodness.
Say so, we haven't had many first team All NBA
guys traded for each other, but sure enough we did
over the weekend and it was stunning.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
No doubt. All right, man, listen, have fun on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Can't wait to hear you call the game three point
thirty on CAGR and across the country, across the globe
on the Armed Forces Radio Network. And congratulations to you.
I mean, this is just proof positive that if a
young man from Milwaukee, Wisconsin can grow up to call
fifteen straight Super Bowls, anybody can accomplish whatever they set
(17:51):
their mind to.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Anybody can do it. If I can do it, anybody
can do it.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
We'll lave me go get them on Sunday and we'll
talk in a week and wrap it up. Man all.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Palank, thank you, Thank you, Pale. Have a good week,
Dave week.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Kevin Harlan with us.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
He's got the call for Westwood one Sunday of the
Super Bowl. We'll get a break. If you missed Jed
Fish yesterday, I thought he was phenomenal. I thought the
guys asking the questions were great. Uh you go hear
that six twenty tonight with the Coach of the Dogs
on ninety three three kJ RFM.
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