May 28, 2025 • 16 mins
Larry Stone joins the show to talk Mariners postseason chances, Cal Raleigh's historic season, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for our weekly conversation with legendary sports writer
Larry Stone, brought to you by the RAM Restaurant and Brewery, Bigger, better,
and fresher since nineteen seventy one, with eight Fugit Sound
locations from Marysville to Lacey and everywhere in between. There's
a RAM near you. Now with Softy and Dick, here's
Larry Stone.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Larry, I'm guilty is charged of not only going to
the RAM once during Memorial Day weekend. I went twice
during Memorial Day weekend. So I have absolutely had a
great food weekend. Hopefully you're able to go down there,
and we appreciate the RAM for bringing you every single
week to the show. How you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm doing good, beautiful day today, Baseball coming up doing great.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
It is a great day for baseball, no question about it.
And before we dive deep into this hue, you got
the numbers we were looking for At the end of
last segment for Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yeah, Larry, we were just kind of saying, what are
some of the weakest World Series teams? And I've got
three over the last twenty years that are kind of conspicuous.
The twenty twenty one Braves they they won eighty eight
games and won a World Series. The two thy fourteen
(01:20):
Giants they won eighty eight as well. Then that's a
five forty three win percentage. And then the worst in
the last twenty years is the two thousand and six
Saint Louis Cardinals. They won only eighty three. That's a
five to sixteen win percentage. And if you want to
go one more at the turn of this century, the
(01:41):
two thousand Yankees. They only won eighty eighty seven games
in the regular season. So those would be three or
four of the shall we say weakest contenders, yes, and
they would end up winning the World Series.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
And Larry the reason we're bringing that up because I
was kind of bulking at the odds that the Marriagers
were sixteen to one to win the World Series. I
was like, wow, that seems like really low odds, sixteen
to one. I would not put my money on sixteen
to one. But then you know, Anders and Hugh are like, well,
you know, it's baseball. You don't have to be just
the juggernaut to win it every single year. So he
(02:15):
was doing a little research there, so you are you
optimistic or pessimistic? Not only on this team's chances of
winning the division, but doing some damage if and when
they do get into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Well, but more so of the latter, Dick, I mean,
how long how many years in a row have we
been saying that all they have to do is get
in and with that pitching they could make a run.
And I mean, that's that's what allows teams with eighty
five wins or whatever to make a run. It's like
the hot goalie in the Stanley Cup playoffs. You ride
(02:53):
the pitching and the Mariners. Provided these guys who are
hurt come back and are strong, and there's there's two
thirds of the seas and for them to get back
to where they were, I think this is most definitely
a team that could run the table if they get in.
I think it's a big it's a bigger issue about
(03:13):
whether they're going to get in because they've shown that
they have a history of kind of fading down the
stretch and falling just short, and so until they proved
that that that's not going to be the case, I
think you have those concerns.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Well, and Larry Stone with us, Larry, let's have some
fun with this. Let's suppose you get a call from
Caesar's Palace, all right, and they say say, look, you know,
you know the Mariners, you know the league, You're you're, you're,
you're the foremost authority on all this. Look, Larry, you
set the odds. Dick just talked about sixteen to one.
(03:52):
But but you've been given the directive by like, hey,
just give us the odds where we don't lose money.
You got to you got to give us the most
probable at the best, that one one that's most likely.
And I guess that's slightly different than how it did
invoke betting, but we'll ignore that factory the most odds,
most likely odds.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah, you said, for what for making right.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Now on this date they win the World Series if
it's not sixteen to one. In Larry Stone's view, it's.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
What I'd say, it's it's more like twenty to one,
just because you've the field, you've got the field to
contend with, and I it's a little bit of dis
point and yeah, there's and there's so many rounds nowadays too.
It used to be you'd win I'm old enough that
you've won the Pennant and you went right to the
(04:42):
World Series and then they keep adding layers to it.
Now you've got to win three or four rounds, depending
on whether you get a first round by so I
you know, there's a there's a lot of pitfalls potential
along the way. So I just think it's it's hard
to say that any team has good odds, even the Dodgers,
where everyone regards as the best team in baseball. I
(05:02):
don't think, you know, I think there are are long too,
just because so many things can go wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
So, Larry, they're three games better right now than they
were last year after this number of games, But then
they won seventeen of their next twenty two. This is
when they started again, like right now, like this date, Yeah,
is when they started to get hot, and they went
seventeen and five over a twenty two game stretch. They
got the forty four and thirty one. They're ten games up.
(05:31):
Is is this what you've seen so far a more
sustainable start to the season or what you saw last
year a more sustainable start to the season.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Honestly, I would have said last year if I didn't
know what was what was coming, because the pitching just
looked so good that I didn't It would have been
hard to envision the kind of collapse that they had
after they built that ten game lead. When you're throwing
a quality starter out there every day, but their their
offense was so uh inadequate last year and this year
(06:08):
it's probably made. It may turn out to be more
sustainable because they have a better offense. Uh. If it's
all gonna to me, it's all going to swing on
just how those guys come back, Kirby Miller and Gilbert
that's gonna that's gonna be the difference maker for for me.
Is uh you know, if if they sustain, if they
(06:28):
keep having arm issues. Uh, you know, we've seen that
they have more quality depth. I think we suspected with
Logan Evans and and Emerson Hancock. But those are the guys,
those are the horses they need to ride. So if
those guys revert to their old selves, I think this
is sustainable. I do.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Uh yeah, Larry with Larry Stone with us, Larry, when
I came on the show today, uh, you know, knowing
that there'd be three hours and and and we'd be
talking some Mariners. My strongest Mariner take for today, the
twenty eighth of May, is that the most important thing
that happened last night. Was not Cal Rawly hitting two
(07:09):
home runs. We know that he's capable of doing that.
It wasn't Julio going three for five. We know he's
capable of that. The guy that we learned the most
about by far, because we've seen him the least is
Logan Evans. And for him to face all those lefties
and you know, he like it seemed like he made
one mistake, one middle middle pitch and it got knocked
(07:30):
out of the ball park. But everything else that was
in the middle was low and other than that, he
was on the sides. He was a backdoor and breaking pitches.
He was in on the hands on breaking pitches. And
and given given the fact that we've seen so little
of him, but how good the Mariners are at finding pitchers. Man,
if this guy can be a big league pitcher, Well,
(07:53):
that was a big step forward for him yesterday given
the sample size that he's shown us.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, and now he's in a coma. Yeah, what reaction
all that? I agree with you here? That was that
was super impressive. I mean, he looked like he looked
like a seasoned pitcher out there, a veteran you know, uh,
guy who knows how to use the stuff. And uh,
(08:19):
he was economical. I mean about the fourth inning, I
started to think he had a chance to throw to
throw a you know what they call him addox, which
is a shutout of one hundred pitches, a complete game,
shutout of a fewer than one hundred pitches, right and
uh and uh. I don't know if they have a
name for if you do that giving up one run,
but I think he could have done that if they
(08:40):
had left him in there. I think he had eighty
eight pitches through eight, but he was he was on
the borderline of that. I mean, nowadays, to to flirt
with one hundred pitch complete game is almost unheard of,
right and uh, and he was just in complete control.
I agree with I agree with your assessment. That was
you know, even though he's not with the team anymore,
(09:01):
I think the comfort of knowing that they have him
in reserve if and when another picture goes down is huge.
And you know, not many teams have six or seven
starters like they appear to, because Emerson Hancock has been
pretty impressive as well, and you have to kind of
wonder if maybe they might be one of them might
(09:23):
be trade bait come the trade deadline. That's a position
of strength, and you know you use it. They really have.
We talked about this last week, but they really have
the ingredients for making a blockbuster trade. They've got all
this talent down on the farm, They've got excess starting pitching.
They ought to be able to make any trade they
(09:43):
want to come come July or earlier.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Well before we get to the trade deadline, there is
seventeen consecutive games without arrest and so, and you've got
a number of your pitchers that will be just fresh
off the disabled. So what do you do, Larry? Do
you go six man rotation, particularly during that seventeen game stretch,
(10:07):
or do you just say, no, we got five horses.
We're gonna put both Emerson Hancock and Logan Evans back
in Triple A and just go with our with our
five guys and see if we can put together a
similar type run that's seventeen and five run like they
did last year at that time.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well, justin Hollander, the general manager said yesterday that they've
for now they've decided against a six man rotation. It
sure seems like if it was ever going to happen,
this is the time to do it. You've got guys
with arm issues that you maybe want a baby a
little bit and a little extra rest, and you have
(10:47):
a sixth and a seventh. No, you have guys who
look like they've earned the chance to be in the
rotation one or the other. But Justin said that for
a couple of reasons. One, they don't want to mess
with the established routines of five man rotation, which you
know with days off. Not only if you go to six,
(11:08):
you might end up going to seven or eight days
between starts with days off and stuff, and that he
felt that was just disruptive. And if you go to
a six man rotation, you are also taking a bullpen
arm away, and they don't like the going short in
the bullpen. You're not allowed to go more than thirteen
pitchers by rule anymore. You can't just say, oh, I'm
(11:28):
going to go with one fewer position player. So I mean,
that's why they're not going to do that. But we'll
see what happens as time goes on. These I dare
say that we are going to see either or both
of Evans and Hancock again this year in the rotation.
(11:48):
Whether you know by injury or whatever. I don't think
they're just going to go to Tacoma and languish there.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Where are you on Jorge Polanco and where we are?
Obviously he's had had a slide, you know, the typical Okay,
this is the regression that we would have anticipated, or Larry,
do you see something else? Just kind of where's your
take at this juncture of the season for him.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Well, I just wonder, Hugh, what the health situation is
with him. I just find it curious that he's still
not facing left handed pitchers. And you know, there was
about a three or four day span it seemed like
where he was truly switch hitting, you know, after not
doing it for the early part of the season. You know,
(12:37):
he had that oblique or side injury that they said
was worse when he patted right handed, and then he
stopped doing it again. So obviously it's still bothering. I
just think it's kind of taken him out of his
rhythm a little bit, just you know, not playing every
day and only hitting left handed and whatever. It was
(12:58):
the magic that he had the first months of the season.
I mean I was looking at his stats today, He's
he's got ten homers, and thirty RBIs, which is, you know,
a pace for nearly thirty homers and a hundred RBIs
and he's got almost one hundred fewer plate appearances than
Julio and Col. So he did tremendous damage and limited
(13:18):
a fairly limited amount of time. And they need to
get some semblance of that back because he sure seems
to have kind of lost, uh, the whatever it was
that he that he had. And you know, I'm not
I have no idea what it is, honestly, but I
just wonder I can help, but wonder if it's health
related in some way.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Well, Larry, before we let you go, and speaking of
tremendous damage, there is a backstop for the Seattle Mariners
that is doing historic damage. And we'd love to get
your take not only on just historic the historic nature
of what he's doing at the catching position vis A
Vi Piazza, Pudge, Johnny Bench, all those guys that that
(14:01):
we have all seen in the in the past, but
also we were having a little fun earlier in the show.
We're like, where does Col's peak that we're seeing right
now rank as far as in Mariner history of the
greatest Mariner hitters, like where would we rank Col's peak
versus the peaks of the echiro Zedgars, Juniors, Buners, Boons, Seegers,
(14:26):
those guys the greatest hitters in Mariner history.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, well, today happens to be the fifty fourth game
of the year, which is the exact mathematical one third point.
You multiply fifty four by three, get one hundred and
sixty two. So as easy mass stat easy mask. Take
any counting stat after today's game and multiply it by three,
and that's the pace. So I mean, with one game
to go, he's got fifty fifty seven home fifty seven
(14:55):
is that right? Eight fifty ex plus and one hundred
and eleven RBIs I mean, obviously that would be the
greatest season in Mariner history, but there's still two thirds
of the year to go. Catchers way down. I don't
know if you could just extrapolate out and say he's
going to keep that pace up for the rest of
the year, but I think it has a very good
(15:20):
chance of being, you know, up there with Griffy's MVP
season Edgar had a couple of seasons where he should
have won the MVP or could have won the MVP
you know, the season I think of when I think
a great Mariner offensive seasons is A Rod's ninety six
breakout season, which was just incredible. So you know it
(15:42):
has a chance if that pace is maintained. I think, well,
you could put that one up right up there, but
I think you have to matt match it also against
If you mentioned the great catching seasons of all time,
and I'm old enough to that, there's one guy I
think of sort of on a level above everybody else
(16:02):
when I think of catchers, and it's Johnny Bench. To me,
he's the gold standard at the position, and I mean
the numbers he's on is on a pace to be
up there with the best of Johnny Bench. Bench drove
in one hundred and forty eight runs one year, I think,
but he also had Joe Morgan and Pete Road and
(16:23):
Tony Perez to knock in, So you know, RBIs are
a function in a large part of the team you
have around you. But when you look at slugging percentage
and all that, I think he's right up there with
the best of Bench, which is to me, is the
highest praise that you can give.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
And you mentioned Alex Rodriguez, A Rod in ninety six,
got to hit on that fast track in the Kingdome
and the Colt Rawley has to languish year at the
worst hitters park in baseball. So that's that's something to
take into consideration as well. Larry, always a pleasure enjoy
watching the game tonight.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
All right, thanks guys,
It's time for our weekly conversation with legendary sports writer
Larry Stone, brought to you by the RAM Restaurant and Brewery, Bigger, better,
and fresher since nineteen seventy one, with eight Fugit Sound
locations from Marysville to Lacey and everywhere in between. There's
a RAM near you. Now with Softy and Dick, here's
Larry Stone.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Larry, I'm guilty is charged of not only going to
the RAM once during Memorial Day weekend. I went twice
during Memorial Day weekend. So I have absolutely had a
great food weekend. Hopefully you're able to go down there,
and we appreciate the RAM for bringing you every single
week to the show. How you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm doing good, beautiful day today, Baseball coming up doing great.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
It is a great day for baseball, no question about it.
And before we dive deep into this hue, you got
the numbers we were looking for At the end of
last segment for Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yeah, Larry, we were just kind of saying, what are
some of the weakest World Series teams? And I've got
three over the last twenty years that are kind of conspicuous.
The twenty twenty one Braves they they won eighty eight
games and won a World Series. The two thy fourteen
(01:20):
Giants they won eighty eight as well. Then that's a
five forty three win percentage. And then the worst in
the last twenty years is the two thousand and six
Saint Louis Cardinals. They won only eighty three. That's a
five to sixteen win percentage. And if you want to
go one more at the turn of this century, the
(01:41):
two thousand Yankees. They only won eighty eighty seven games
in the regular season. So those would be three or
four of the shall we say weakest contenders, yes, and
they would end up winning the World Series.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
And Larry the reason we're bringing that up because I
was kind of bulking at the odds that the Marriagers
were sixteen to one to win the World Series. I
was like, wow, that seems like really low odds, sixteen
to one. I would not put my money on sixteen
to one. But then you know, Anders and Hugh are like, well,
you know, it's baseball. You don't have to be just
the juggernaut to win it every single year. So he
(02:15):
was doing a little research there, so you are you
optimistic or pessimistic? Not only on this team's chances of
winning the division, but doing some damage if and when
they do get into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Well, but more so of the latter, Dick, I mean,
how long how many years in a row have we
been saying that all they have to do is get
in and with that pitching they could make a run.
And I mean, that's that's what allows teams with eighty
five wins or whatever to make a run. It's like
the hot goalie in the Stanley Cup playoffs. You ride
(02:53):
the pitching and the Mariners. Provided these guys who are
hurt come back and are strong, and there's there's two
thirds of the seas and for them to get back
to where they were, I think this is most definitely
a team that could run the table if they get in.
I think it's a big it's a bigger issue about
(03:13):
whether they're going to get in because they've shown that
they have a history of kind of fading down the
stretch and falling just short, and so until they proved
that that that's not going to be the case, I
think you have those concerns.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Well, and Larry Stone with us, Larry, let's have some
fun with this. Let's suppose you get a call from
Caesar's Palace, all right, and they say say, look, you know,
you know the Mariners, you know the league, You're you're, you're,
you're the foremost authority on all this. Look, Larry, you
set the odds. Dick just talked about sixteen to one.
(03:52):
But but you've been given the directive by like, hey,
just give us the odds where we don't lose money.
You got to you got to give us the most
probable at the best, that one one that's most likely.
And I guess that's slightly different than how it did
invoke betting, but we'll ignore that factory the most odds,
most likely odds.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah, you said, for what for making right.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Now on this date they win the World Series if
it's not sixteen to one. In Larry Stone's view, it's.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
What I'd say, it's it's more like twenty to one,
just because you've the field, you've got the field to
contend with, and I it's a little bit of dis
point and yeah, there's and there's so many rounds nowadays too.
It used to be you'd win I'm old enough that
you've won the Pennant and you went right to the
(04:42):
World Series and then they keep adding layers to it.
Now you've got to win three or four rounds, depending
on whether you get a first round by so I
you know, there's a there's a lot of pitfalls potential
along the way. So I just think it's it's hard
to say that any team has good odds, even the Dodgers,
where everyone regards as the best team in baseball. I
(05:02):
don't think, you know, I think there are are long too,
just because so many things can go wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
So, Larry, they're three games better right now than they
were last year after this number of games, But then
they won seventeen of their next twenty two. This is
when they started again, like right now, like this date, Yeah,
is when they started to get hot, and they went
seventeen and five over a twenty two game stretch. They
got the forty four and thirty one. They're ten games up.
(05:31):
Is is this what you've seen so far a more
sustainable start to the season or what you saw last
year a more sustainable start to the season.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Honestly, I would have said last year if I didn't
know what was what was coming, because the pitching just
looked so good that I didn't It would have been
hard to envision the kind of collapse that they had
after they built that ten game lead. When you're throwing
a quality starter out there every day, but their their
offense was so uh inadequate last year and this year
(06:08):
it's probably made. It may turn out to be more
sustainable because they have a better offense. Uh. If it's
all gonna to me, it's all going to swing on
just how those guys come back, Kirby Miller and Gilbert
that's gonna that's gonna be the difference maker for for me.
Is uh you know, if if they sustain, if they
(06:28):
keep having arm issues. Uh, you know, we've seen that
they have more quality depth. I think we suspected with
Logan Evans and and Emerson Hancock. But those are the guys,
those are the horses they need to ride. So if
those guys revert to their old selves, I think this
is sustainable. I do.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Uh yeah, Larry with Larry Stone with us, Larry, when
I came on the show today, uh, you know, knowing
that there'd be three hours and and and we'd be
talking some Mariners. My strongest Mariner take for today, the
twenty eighth of May, is that the most important thing
that happened last night. Was not Cal Rawly hitting two
(07:09):
home runs. We know that he's capable of doing that.
It wasn't Julio going three for five. We know he's
capable of that. The guy that we learned the most
about by far, because we've seen him the least is
Logan Evans. And for him to face all those lefties
and you know, he like it seemed like he made
one mistake, one middle middle pitch and it got knocked
(07:30):
out of the ball park. But everything else that was
in the middle was low and other than that, he
was on the sides. He was a backdoor and breaking pitches.
He was in on the hands on breaking pitches. And
and given given the fact that we've seen so little
of him, but how good the Mariners are at finding pitchers. Man,
if this guy can be a big league pitcher, Well,
(07:53):
that was a big step forward for him yesterday given
the sample size that he's shown us.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, and now he's in a coma. Yeah, what reaction
all that? I agree with you here? That was that
was super impressive. I mean, he looked like he looked
like a seasoned pitcher out there, a veteran you know, uh,
guy who knows how to use the stuff. And uh,
(08:19):
he was economical. I mean about the fourth inning, I
started to think he had a chance to throw to
throw a you know what they call him addox, which
is a shutout of one hundred pitches, a complete game,
shutout of a fewer than one hundred pitches, right and
uh and uh. I don't know if they have a
name for if you do that giving up one run,
but I think he could have done that if they
(08:40):
had left him in there. I think he had eighty
eight pitches through eight, but he was he was on
the borderline of that. I mean, nowadays, to to flirt
with one hundred pitch complete game is almost unheard of,
right and uh, and he was just in complete control.
I agree with I agree with your assessment. That was
you know, even though he's not with the team anymore,
(09:01):
I think the comfort of knowing that they have him
in reserve if and when another picture goes down is huge.
And you know, not many teams have six or seven
starters like they appear to, because Emerson Hancock has been
pretty impressive as well, and you have to kind of
wonder if maybe they might be one of them might
(09:23):
be trade bait come the trade deadline. That's a position
of strength, and you know you use it. They really have.
We talked about this last week, but they really have
the ingredients for making a blockbuster trade. They've got all
this talent down on the farm, They've got excess starting pitching.
They ought to be able to make any trade they
(09:43):
want to come come July or earlier.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Well before we get to the trade deadline, there is
seventeen consecutive games without arrest and so, and you've got
a number of your pitchers that will be just fresh
off the disabled. So what do you do, Larry? Do
you go six man rotation, particularly during that seventeen game stretch,
(10:07):
or do you just say, no, we got five horses.
We're gonna put both Emerson Hancock and Logan Evans back
in Triple A and just go with our with our
five guys and see if we can put together a
similar type run that's seventeen and five run like they
did last year at that time.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well, justin Hollander, the general manager said yesterday that they've
for now they've decided against a six man rotation. It
sure seems like if it was ever going to happen,
this is the time to do it. You've got guys
with arm issues that you maybe want a baby a
little bit and a little extra rest, and you have
(10:47):
a sixth and a seventh. No, you have guys who
look like they've earned the chance to be in the
rotation one or the other. But Justin said that for
a couple of reasons. One, they don't want to mess
with the established routines of five man rotation, which you
know with days off. Not only if you go to six,
(11:08):
you might end up going to seven or eight days
between starts with days off and stuff, and that he
felt that was just disruptive. And if you go to
a six man rotation, you are also taking a bullpen
arm away, and they don't like the going short in
the bullpen. You're not allowed to go more than thirteen
pitchers by rule anymore. You can't just say, oh, I'm
(11:28):
going to go with one fewer position player. So I mean,
that's why they're not going to do that. But we'll
see what happens as time goes on. These I dare
say that we are going to see either or both
of Evans and Hancock again this year in the rotation.
(11:48):
Whether you know by injury or whatever. I don't think
they're just going to go to Tacoma and languish there.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Where are you on Jorge Polanco and where we are?
Obviously he's had had a slide, you know, the typical Okay,
this is the regression that we would have anticipated, or Larry,
do you see something else? Just kind of where's your
take at this juncture of the season for him.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Well, I just wonder, Hugh, what the health situation is
with him. I just find it curious that he's still
not facing left handed pitchers. And you know, there was
about a three or four day span it seemed like
where he was truly switch hitting, you know, after not
doing it for the early part of the season. You know,
(12:37):
he had that oblique or side injury that they said
was worse when he patted right handed, and then he
stopped doing it again. So obviously it's still bothering. I
just think it's kind of taken him out of his
rhythm a little bit, just you know, not playing every
day and only hitting left handed and whatever. It was
(12:58):
the magic that he had the first months of the season.
I mean I was looking at his stats today, He's
he's got ten homers, and thirty RBIs, which is, you know,
a pace for nearly thirty homers and a hundred RBIs
and he's got almost one hundred fewer plate appearances than
Julio and Col. So he did tremendous damage and limited
(13:18):
a fairly limited amount of time. And they need to
get some semblance of that back because he sure seems
to have kind of lost, uh, the whatever it was
that he that he had. And you know, I'm not
I have no idea what it is, honestly, but I
just wonder I can help, but wonder if it's health
related in some way.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Well, Larry, before we let you go, and speaking of
tremendous damage, there is a backstop for the Seattle Mariners
that is doing historic damage. And we'd love to get
your take not only on just historic the historic nature
of what he's doing at the catching position vis A
Vi Piazza, Pudge, Johnny Bench, all those guys that that
(14:01):
we have all seen in the in the past, but
also we were having a little fun earlier in the show.
We're like, where does Col's peak that we're seeing right
now rank as far as in Mariner history of the
greatest Mariner hitters, like where would we rank Col's peak
versus the peaks of the echiro Zedgars, Juniors, Buners, Boons, Seegers,
(14:26):
those guys the greatest hitters in Mariner history.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, well, today happens to be the fifty fourth game
of the year, which is the exact mathematical one third point.
You multiply fifty four by three, get one hundred and
sixty two. So as easy mass stat easy mask. Take
any counting stat after today's game and multiply it by three,
and that's the pace. So I mean, with one game
to go, he's got fifty fifty seven home fifty seven
(14:55):
is that right? Eight fifty ex plus and one hundred
and eleven RBIs I mean, obviously that would be the
greatest season in Mariner history, but there's still two thirds
of the year to go. Catchers way down. I don't
know if you could just extrapolate out and say he's
going to keep that pace up for the rest of
the year, but I think it has a very good
(15:20):
chance of being, you know, up there with Griffy's MVP
season Edgar had a couple of seasons where he should
have won the MVP or could have won the MVP
you know, the season I think of when I think
a great Mariner offensive seasons is A Rod's ninety six
breakout season, which was just incredible. So you know it
(15:42):
has a chance if that pace is maintained. I think, well,
you could put that one up right up there, but
I think you have to matt match it also against
If you mentioned the great catching seasons of all time,
and I'm old enough to that, there's one guy I
think of sort of on a level above everybody else
(16:02):
when I think of catchers, and it's Johnny Bench. To me,
he's the gold standard at the position, and I mean
the numbers he's on is on a pace to be
up there with the best of Johnny Bench. Bench drove
in one hundred and forty eight runs one year, I think,
but he also had Joe Morgan and Pete Road and
(16:23):
Tony Perez to knock in, So you know, RBIs are
a function in a large part of the team you
have around you. But when you look at slugging percentage
and all that, I think he's right up there with
the best of Bench, which is to me, is the
highest praise that you can give.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
And you mentioned Alex Rodriguez, A Rod in ninety six,
got to hit on that fast track in the Kingdome
and the Colt Rawley has to languish year at the
worst hitters park in baseball. So that's that's something to
take into consideration as well. Larry, always a pleasure enjoy
watching the game tonight.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
All right, thanks guys,
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