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November 5, 2025 • 15 mins

Legendary writer Larry Stone joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about the historic World Series and epic conclusion last weekend with specific major plays, the Dodgers winning without a dominant Shohei Ohtani later, and Toronto fans in Seattle.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for our weekly conversation with legendary sports writer
Larry Stone, brought to you by the Ram Restaurant and Brewery, Bigger,
better and fresher since nineteen seventy one, with eight fugit
Sound locations from Marysville to Lacey and everywhere in between.
There's a Ram near you. Now with Softie and Dick,
Here's Larry Stone. Broken back crum Ball bets.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Has its steps on the back the Tona firs to
the play from backs against the wall to back to back.
The Dodgers cement their dynasty a win Game seven and xtrainings.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
You know, first of all, I gotta correct myself thanks
to the text line. By the way, the Cracking are
now one point out of first place in the Pacific Line.
I didn't want to crack. That's okay, Anaheim Vegas in first.
Let them roll with it, cracking or in TI third place,
tied with the Kings and the Oilers right now. But hey,
you know what, we care about the World Series. We
care about baseball. We care about the Blue Jay fans

(01:05):
getting there fricking hard tripped out and stomped on by
the Dodgers in Game seven Saturday, night, and we cared
about Larry Stone's opinion on the matter.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Courtesy of the RAM.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
We keep telling you, Larry that we're done with you,
and then all this cool stuff keeps happening, and we
got to keep bringing you back on the show so
if nothing would happen, we could get you the hell
out of here.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Man, how are you? I'm doing good. I keep going
through the grieving process of leaving you guys, and then
you dragged me back in.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
I know, man, we fell break up with him and
then call them back here.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
We we just cannot quit you, man, We cannot quit
Larry Stone. Well, I enjoyed Game seven. I know Dick
and Jackson enjoyed Game seven. I think you probably enjoyed
Game seven, but for much more mature reasons than we
enjoyed Game seven. So what did you make of what
you saw Saturday in Toronto?

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Man? I enjoyed it immensely, and not because for any
rooting interest at all. Even though I grew up as
a the most rabid Dodger fan you could ever imagine
growing up in southern California, I've kind of I've shed
all that forty five years of being a sports writer
and being impartial and no cheering in the press box
and all that. I don't really have any more emotion

(02:14):
for the Dodgers. I just loved it because it was great, compelling, exciting,
spectacular baseball.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
We asked Jim Bowden yesterday where it ranked in his
all time World Series. He said it was number one.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
How about you, Larry, Yeah, I've thought about that, Dick.
My favorite World series that I can remember. There's a
couple of them that stand out. Nineteen ninety one, the
Twins and the Braves, with the classic Game seven of
Smoltz and Jack Morris scoreless for ninety things until the
Twins wanted in the tenth and Jack Morris going the distance.

(02:52):
Twenty sixteen, the Cubs breaking the drought, and I mean,
what a Game seven that was with Raj davis is
sitting a whole front of the ninth inning to tie
the game, and then the rain delay and then the
Cups Cups came back and win it. But uh, this
game had two This series had two classic games that
will go down as two of the best World Series

(03:15):
games ever. And then you know the the eighteen in game,
and then that was certainly the best Game seven I've
ever seen, So I think I think it's way up.
There's you know, there's a recency bias, but it's definitely
in the in the in the top echel line of
World Series.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Well, there's just so many moments of that Game seven.
I mean Rojas's home run. Rojas has played to the
plate from from second base, and people criticizing I like
to call hi kinder Falafel at third base for for
not having a bigger lead, and some folks say he
should have run sprinted right through home plate instead of sliding,
And I guess I just would have thought that would

(03:55):
have been a conversation he would have had with his
third base coach before the It turns out they did
because Kinder Falaffel came out and kind of threw his
third base coach under the bus and said, hey, look,
they didn't want me to take a long lead in
case I got doubled off on a on a line drive.
So how much did they blow it on that on
that play right there?

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah? I saw I saw that quote from kind of
Philippa Falaffel. Yeah, I mean they they were they were
very fearful of getting doubled off. And I understand that
that's how the previous game ended with the guy getting
doubled off, and they they'd gotten doubled off earlier in
the in the series. But uh, I don't know. I

(04:35):
I think he could have gotten a better lead. I mean,
the play was so close. It would have just taken
you know, one step closer, and he would have he
would have beaten it. Uh. You know, I saw a
lot of players, uh, former players and current players defending
uh kind of Filippa and saying he played it exactly right.
So you know, I just think it was a great play,

(04:59):
uh that was made by Rojas. And whether he should
have run through he probably should have. I agree with that,
and that probably you know, that's what they tell you
not to slide into first base because it's faster to
run through the bag, and that would apply to home
plate as well. The one play that you didn't mention
that that's my favorite play of Game seven was the

(05:19):
Paz catch. Right after that. Yeah, I mean I thought
the series was over. I thought there was no way
that ball was going to be caught, and I thought
they were going to collide and you know, the ball
was going to drop. But he comes out of you
know it makes this long run. It kind of reminds
me of the Robless play in Houston, where you know,
out of nowhere comes to Roblest with the diving catch

(05:42):
to save the game, and here came PAHs, you know,
traveling from center field to make that spectacular grab. But
you're right, it was just one of one of multiple
memorable plays in that game.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
Well, Larry Dave Roberts wasn't afraid of extending his starters,
was he. I mean, and maybe that's just a yamato thing,
but do you think other teams will look at that
and say, you know what, maybe we should keep the
best picture on the field longer on the field instead
of do the analytics thing that they've been doing.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
I think they they definitely could be a trend in
that direction, but I think the analytics is so ingrained
that it's going to be I don't think it's going
to be just miraculously a flip to that, but I
would like to see it. I like the days when
you had a small Morris, you know, pictures duel. You

(06:33):
just don't see pictures duel in the World Series anymore
because if nobody wants to extend their starters beyond four
or five innings. Uh, you know, maybe six, but uh
when you when you, I think that's a testament to
the fact that the Dodgers didn't trust their bullpen at all.
It's another factor if they had, if they had a
better bullpen, I think we might have seen more, uh

(06:54):
more back to that style of baseball. But I found
it very, very appealing, and I I hope it's a trend.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Change.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
I loved it. Man, what they did with Glasnow and
Snell and Yamamoto. I thought it was amazing. I mean
more amazing in the Brewer Series, obviously, but go back
to Yoshi for a second. Larry, Larry Stone with us,
because you know, we all remember Randy Johnson coming out
of the bullpen in Game five of ninety five. But
what people kind of tend to forget is that he
gave up the lead and Edgar had Edgar had to

(07:23):
bail his ass out in the eleventh thning. I mean,
Yamamoto threw one hundred and thirty pitches over the course
of two nights and was phenomenal. I mean, where does
that pitching performance in the World Series rank for you?
Randy and O one with Arizona comes to mind too.
How about for you, I.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Think the one that comes to mind is Bumgarner in
Game seven. I think it was the Royals with the
with the with the Giants where he came out. I
can't remember exactly how many days rest he had, it
was no more than one, and I think he pitched
the final four innings and blanked the Royals. So you know,
that one's probably number one. But considering how times have

(08:04):
changed and and the fact that pitchers just don't do
that sort of thing, I mean, it's one of the
great World Series achievements of all of all time. And
he almost blew it too. He probably should have, you know,
when he when he loaded the bases with with one
out and just you know, he got bailed out by
two once in a lifetime place. But then he then

(08:28):
he you know, he continued pitching and got more more
effective as he as he went. But I mean, he
was the star of the World Series and the deserve
it m VP. Everyone would have thought it would have
been Otani. Uh Otani's pitching was pretty mediocre in the
World Series, but but uh he outshined him, and uh,

(08:53):
I think he made it. He made his name permanent
for you know a legacy all time.

Speaker 5 (08:58):
Well, certainly Otani will be remembered for his three home
run game against Milwaukee, in his two home run game
in Game number three against Toronto. But Larry, if you
would have told me going into Game four that showe
Hey Otani was going to go three for fifteen with
no home runs and no RBIs for the rest of
the series, I would have guarantee you Toronto would have

(09:19):
won won that series. So, I mean, that's amazing the
Dodgers were able to do it with Showty doing nothing
in the last four games.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yeah, it's so crazy. They he got on base nine
times in that eighteen inning game and was walked intentionally
four times and then unintentionally the fifth time, but really intentionally.
And I kind of thought, and everyone kind of thought,
he wasn't going to get pitched two again the rest
of the series. But then they started pitching to him
and getting him out, and they realized we don't have

(09:48):
to pitch around him anymore. We could actually get him out.
I mean, he hit the ball hard a lot of
times with no luck, and he was still a threat
when he came up, but it just wasn't It wasn't
the Otani that we had been accustomed to, and we're
when we're expecting. That's that's sure, but that's you know

(10:08):
that the game, the nine on base game as well,
also one of the great performances of in World Series history,
in baseball history. So he still had his moment.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Well, Larry stones with us, and Larry, I got to
tell you, there's a lot of reasons that you watch sports.
Rooting for a team, betting on a team, and hating
a team is another reason that I absolutely hate Toronto.
I hate their fans. I hate what they've done to
our ballpark at T Mobile when they show up and
take the place over. I hate the fact that it

(10:38):
doesn't seem to piss off ownership as much as it
pisses off me as a fan. And by the way,
did you see when next year's Blue Jays series is?

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Larry? I did not see that. I didn't study the
schedule that closely.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
I bet he could guess and be pretty close.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
It's July fourth weekend, and it just urged the hell
out of me. I mean, like, you know what, before
we get to the Blue Jays and and and and
the painful ending, should that piss off ownership? That that
many Blue Jay fans show up and take over the
stadium every single year. And to add to that, how

(11:15):
much of an of a impact do the Mariner owners
have on when that series is played. It's always played
every year on a weekend in the middle of the
freaking summer, when they make it easy for them to
get here. How much influence do they have over that.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
I honestly don't know the answer to that to that question.
I know that teams approved the schedule when when it's
when it's given to them, and they make certain requests
like we want to be home for for this time period,
and but I don't know. I don't know if they're
requesting that they that they get a weekend because they
want the gate. I understand your frustration. Uh, you know,

(11:57):
this has been an ongoing thing for for a decade now,
and it's clear that they don't seem to have that
much of an issue with it, and it seems like
it was a little less this year. I can't remember
when was was it was it the weekend this year
as well? In twenty five, yes, it was okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
Well go ahead, you know, I was just gonna say,
I know, Sophie wants to ask you about from the
Blue Jay perspective, I do I do have to ask
you a question about John Stanton. Do you how do
you think John Stanton responds to what happened this year?
Do owners that are historically budget conscious ever change their
stripes when it comes to kind of loosening up their
purse strings because of a great emotional run that fired

(12:40):
everybody up.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yeah, I mean that is the essential question of this
off season. Uh. You know, I've said it before on
this show, that you think that they would have a
burning desire having had having been the only team to
not make the World Series, to do what it took
to get there and there that should go more so

(13:02):
now than ever because of how close they got and
how devastating it was. You know, Sam was there and
in the stadium probably ready to pop the champagne with
eight outs to go. So I don't think anyone could
really answer that question, but it should. The answer is

(13:23):
it should? I mean, particularly with a team that has
the pieces, they are there, They are right there with
a few additions of being a World Series team.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Well let me just wrap it up with that. Well,
we'll talk more later on down the road, because just
like Super Bowl forty nine, we're going to see that
Will Smith home run, that double player that Yamamoto rolled,
the Miguel Rojas homer. That'll be in every Major League
Baseball highlight package for years to come. And they're now,
they're never getting over it ever, ever, ever, just like

(13:54):
we will never get over what happened in Arizona. But
Polanco turned down his player option today six million. He's
going to become a free agent. What do you think
the market looks like for him and what are the
odds of the m is bringing him back.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
I think he's probably looking at two years, twelve million
about there. I think that's reasonable to bring him back.
I think I've got to think that it's very doable.
I mean, he was on the market last year and
chose to come back to Seattle, So that tells me
that he likes it here to a certain extent. He
turned down Houston, That's what he said anyway, and I

(14:31):
think his feelings for Seattle should have only grown coming
off a really strong year and what they did, and
you know, he's become a popular player here. I just
think it's a good fit. Just like Naylor is a
great fit. I expect both of them to be back.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
I love it, all right, that sent for us for
you until next week, all right, because I'm telling you
something is going to happen. We're gonna want to have
you on the air, So just be on standby, all right.
If you travel, make sure you get cell phone service. Okay,
that's all we have.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Well, that sounds good to me.
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