December 17, 2025 • 14 mins
Mike Florio joins the show to talk about the Seahawks-Rams game on Thursday night, Tua getting benched, Pete Carroll's future, Joe Burrow's future, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
That was Mike Florio. Here's Softy and Dick.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
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Talk dot Com PFT live, the heavyweight champion people of
the NFL Press Corps. My friend Michael Florio, Mike, how
are you pal doing great?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Guys there, we're doing good.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I told somebody the other day that this Thursday night
game tomorrow with the Rams and Seahawks, if you're like
ten years old, is their version of the eighty five
Bears Dolphins game back in the day on Monday Night football.
This is about as big as they get in the
regular season on Thursday night. Give me your thoughts on
what you think is going to go down tomorrow at Loumenfield.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Man, I wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Compare it to Bears Dolphins for eighty five. It's closer
to Seahawks forty nine ers. What was that twenty nineteen
was that the season ending winner gets the one seed,
loser is.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
The five seed. It's far closer to that.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
And speaking of the forty nine ers, I thought that
only at the schedule in the standings today, if the
Seahawks win this game, the forty nine ers can steal
the division. They can steal the division. They can be
the one seed because they've got the Colts, the Bears,
and the Seahawks. They went out. If the Seahawks win,
forty nine ers went out, they're the one seed and
the division champions. So don't sleep on the forty nine ers.
(01:54):
Already came up there to Seattle and one back in
Week one. You got to go there to end the season.
And that's too games for Sam Donald in crunch time,
not one like last year Week eighteen, Vikings at Lions
that's two Tomorrow night and Week eighteen. Those of those
boxes need to be checked. Or you can have a
forty nine ers with the one seed two home games
(02:14):
after the bye week, they win them both, and they
played the Super Bowl in their own damn stadium.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
So the first time these two teams played, he had
a sixty yard field goal miss that would have given
the Seahawks the win despite Sam Donald throwing it four
times to the Rams.
Speaker 7 (02:28):
Does that game have any bearing at all in your
mind over what we're going to see tomorrow night, Well, it's.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Got bearing from the standpoint of the x's and oz's
and the game planning and what's on film and that
game within the game that is very nuanced and subtle,
and the looks that a show and the film study
and all that stuff that is far too complicated for
anyone to understand unless they're working in it. But the
reality is the Seahawks can't afford to get swepts. They
(02:55):
need this one badly because if.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
They lose this, when they fall a game behind.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
In the they're gonna have to make up two games
in two weeks. And the Rams finished with the Falcons
and the.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Cardinals, So the Ram has become.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
De facto division champs if not one seed. If they
win this game, and if they stumble, it opens the
door for the Seahawks for forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, let's talk about Tua bench for quinn Yewers a
couple of touchdowns in the fourth quarter, but looked awful
through three quarters on Monday night, and the Dolphins and
Mike McDaniel apparently have seen enough. What's your take on
the current situation involving to a tongue of iloa.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Well, we saw this one coming earlier in the year.
Mikey Daniels said after a game, everything's on the table
when it comes to quarterback position. By the next day,
he said to it won't be benched. He said everything's
on the table again on Tuesday, the day after the
loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers, in which Tua had a
few of those plays that and if you look at
(03:53):
him in isolation, he'll have these moments where the play
that's called isn't there. They take away the first red
and then he just freezes. There's a guy coming at him.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
He doesn't throw the ball away.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
He just completely seizes up like a computer that gives
you that blue screen or the old Xbox three to
sixty red circle of depth, like it's just over and
you can't have that for all the good things he does.
When you see that happen, it's like what is going
on here? And the Dolphins have decided they've seen enough.
The problem is they owned fifty four million for the
(04:26):
guaranteed next year. If they cut him, they're gonna have
to do with ninety nine million.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
In cap charges now.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
If they cut him with a post June one designation,
they can.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Spread it over two years.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
If they trade him, they're taking like sixty million plucks
next year in dead money if they trade him before
June one, and they're gonna have to pay him a
sizeable amount of his salary next year. No one's gonna
want to take on the fifty four million. So they've
got to decide what to do. And the options are
try to trade him unlikely, cut him far more likely,
or you could say, hey, we got to pay him,
we may as well keep him. But I don't think
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having him around is going to be useful and helpful
to moving on, because there's that cluster of Dolphins fans,
and I think it's getting smaller all the time. But
they think that Tua is a solution and Mike McDaniel
and the rest of the team of the problem. And
that's just crazy at this point. But look at what
the Broncos did a couple of years ago. They pulled
the bad aid off with Russell Wilson. It took eighty
(05:17):
five million cap charges over two years. They're still taking
thirty two million this year. And where are they on
the brink of the number one seed?
Speaker 6 (05:23):
Well, speaking of neot alarm quarterbacks, what did you make
of what you saw from Philip Rivers on Sunday?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Well, it was a great story, and it is a
great story. And this is a very dated reference. But
the one percent of the audience that gets it, this
is for you. In uniform, Philip Rivers looked like he
was getting ready to play in the rematch of Taft
bakers Field.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Either you get that one? Are you with me on that?
I get that?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I'm trying. Sorry, well I'm not ninety, I'm only fifty two.
By the way.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Remind me, well, you're old enough that you should know
what I'm talking about. So you can think about that
one once we're done. But look, hey, I think for
the Seahawks. Here's what's impressive. It was the ultimate trap game.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Put yourself in the shoes of the Seahawks.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
They're facing a team that had lost four out of five,
I think, and they're coming in with a forty four
year old quarterback that hasn't played in five years. That
is the ultimate opportunity for a letdown. And they still
found a way to win the game. That was impressive.
You're going to have when you have a special season,
You're gonna have games that come along and they just
catch your flat footed, and the Colts almost did.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
But the Seahawks still pulled it off.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Knowing that that huge games coming up on Thursday, they
had all the ingredients for an upset in hindsight. In foresight,
it was like, all the Seahawks are going to kill
them because they've.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Been killing everybody lately. But the fact that they found
a way to.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Win that game when the Colts did everything in their
power to steal it, that's impressive.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
And that's what an elite team does.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
They don't lose those games that pop around from time
to time where it's just not.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Your day and you can't hold it together.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Mike, I feel like every week we're asking you for
the latest on Pete Carroll and his job in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
And Dick and I were talking yesterday.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I can't remember the last time somebody actually asked Pete
at a press conference if he's worried about losing his job,
And that was the question he got Monday. Should he
be worried about losing his job after one year?
Speaker 5 (07:10):
I think he should be.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
And he made the comment that he acknowledges it's a rebuild.
Do you really want to be there? If it's a rebuild.
One of the theories making the rounds is they'll work
out some sort of a settlement where he gets part
of what he's still owed.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
And they move on.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
The question is are they willing to admit that the
reboot from last year was a mistake?
Speaker 5 (07:27):
And look, here's the reality.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
And Tom Brady found a nice sweet spot for himself
where if things go well, he can do a victory lap.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
If things go poorly, he can say, hey, I work
for Fox. But when Mark.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Davids sold him a piece of the team at a
sweetheart rate, David said, and he said this back in
January after they had Pete Carroll and John Spy text
by text the GM Mark David said that Brady is
the guy on the football side to stabilize the organization.
He's a guy I haven't had.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Since John Gruden got forced out.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Well, Brady hasn't stabilized it other than to make it
very stable and very bad. And he doesn't get a
whole lot of grief for this. Being a drive by
part time owner or influence on football operations doesn't work.
He didn't usually go all in or all out, and
a lot of this is on him. And look, he
tried to get Ben Jonson and even the great Tom
Brady couldn't pull it off. He didn't want Sam Darnold,
(08:19):
he couldn't get Matthew Staffords. They settled for Gino Smith
and look at where they are. And I think one
of the reasons they want for Gino Smith they thought
the team.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Was better than it is. And I think that's one
of the.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Most important realities for any football organization, being very self.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Aware about how good or not good you are.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
They expected to be better than this. Pete expected to be.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Better than this.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
So it's a shock for everyone. I think at this
point it's not sustainable. Seventy five yards game against the Eagles.
That's the lowest the franchise is Mustardson's nineteen sixty one.
It is not sustainable. And if they don't do something,
here's something to watch. If they don't do something, you're
going to see the very few good players on that
team try to get out, like Max Crosby and Brought
(08:59):
Bowers And that's basically it. That's the list of the
great players on that team right now.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
What would you do, Mike, if you were Brett Veach
in Kansas City, would you just try to just tweak
it and play a drink yes, and play to win
in twenty twenty six, or would just say, you know what,
I'm going to use twenty twenty six as a time
to tear it down, let Patrick Mahomes get healthy, and
then try to win a championship in twenty twenty seven
(09:25):
when I've retooled everything.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I think there's no such thing as a full rebuild
in the NFL, because if you try to do that
and you have a sufficiently bad season, that's when ownership
deals pressure to make changes.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Now.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I don't think the Chiefs should ever consider involuntarily separating
from Brett Veach or Andy Reid, but this is one
of those. Change a tire on a moving car and
they've got the most important position covered. Look at all
the teams out there that are somewhat competitive and they
just don't have a quarterback. Think how bad the Chiefs
would be if they didn't have Patrick Mahomes. I think
they need to just do what they can and to improve.
(10:00):
They got to hit on the draft kicks. Those are young,
cheap players to become the nucleus off your team going forward.
If they become the contributors to the future, that's going
to dig you out of this. They need to make
good decisions about who to keep, who to.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Get rid of.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
They got to spend wisely in free agency.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
All the while, Patrick Mahomes is rehabing this.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Injury, and look, he's already attacking it.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
That's not a surprise.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I who we expect him to do everything in his
power to be back as quickly as possible.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
I just wonder whether or not I mentioned read. You know, it's.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Easy to stay on the job deep into your sixties
when it's smooth sailing straight to the super Bowl every year,
and they've been.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
To three straight and five out of six. Right, Well,
now that.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
You have to like I mean, and only Andy Reid
knows the answer to this question.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
But you're far more likely.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
To decide it's time when you're looking at and if
you're taking an honest assessment of where your roster is
and how much work needs to be done. Because by
the time we get to where we need to.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Be, is it going to be time?
Speaker 4 (10:54):
And does it make sense to handle a ton to
someone else?
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Now that's for him to decide.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
That's only for him to side, and he's been.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Coaching as a head coach since nineteen ninety nine. It
would be very, very difficult for him to walk away
from it.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
But this is I think the first occasion since Patrick
Mahomes arrived that it makes sense for him to take
a step back and ask himself, is it time? Or
are we going to dig in for what could be
three four years before we're back to what we were Well.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Mike, before you go, Mike Florio with US Pro Football
Talk dot Com, courtesy is simply Seattle. So this time
a year from now, when we have you on the
air and we're asking you about Joe Burrow, are we
talking about Joe Burrow the Bengal or Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
The something else in a year from now.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Well, John, you I'll be dead by then.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Wow, jeez, have a holiday morbid.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
That's another old reference. If you get that reference on
top of the other one, then you can be my friend.
And neither of you can be my friend because you
don't know what I'm talking.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
I thank you just now.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I think you bring up references that you know we're
not going to get, so that we won't be friends.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
By the way, that's I'm starting to understand this game.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Even if he got there, listen, even if he got
the rest of them, we wouldn't be friending. It's funny
because Joe Burrow had those comments last week that were
very stunning, because you rarely get that kind of candor.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
You get cliches. Guys internalized things. They don't talk openly.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
He was so down last week and he said he's
not having fun and he.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Wants to have fun again.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
And it doesn't take a genius to start connecting dots
back to the organization, which is notoriously cheap. They didn't
take the snow off the seats for crying out loud
this week and in violational league policy, because hey, it
costs money to bring people in to take the snow
off the seats.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
And what he said today, when I look.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
At that, he is leaving the door open a crack,
and I think it's going to be a delicate thing
for him to do, because you don't want everyone in
Ohio to hate you.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
He's from Ohio.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
When I wrote Playmakers four years ago, one of the
things I reported in there, and this is one hundred
percent true, and Bengals fans get triggered when I say it,
but I was told by someone in a position to
know if Joe Burrow was from Athens, Georgia and not Athens, Ohio,
he would have refused to play for the Bengals when
they had the opportunity to draft him first overall in
twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
So we got to factor all that in, and there.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Was this flurry of reports last week, Oh, he wants
to stay, He's got to play the game. And I
think what he's trying to do in a roundabout way,
I think he kind of makes the Bengals decide they're
better off selling high that if he's on this downward
trajectory and he's not happy, you're never going to get
more for him than you're going to get right now.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
So that's the way to do it. You make them think.
And haven't we all.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Been in one of those relationships where we really want out,
but it would be a lot easier if you can
convince the other person to be the one to end it,
Like you know, I mean, I've probably had that trick
put on me a couple of times, but I know
I used it at least once, and it can be
very effective if you play it the right way.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
And that may be what he's trying to do.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Mike Florio, great stuff, appreciate it. We'll see about next week.
Coupley will work something I'll do Tuesday. I'll be okay
done Tuesday. We'll talk to you tuesday.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
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Speaker 2 (14:08):
Give you a little holiday bonus.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
All right, I'll give you a little extra matza ball
soup with your Menora next week. Man, all right, great stuff, Man,
enjoy the weekend seeing pass all right, yeah, davidly ra
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It's time for a weekly conversation with Pro Football Talks
Mike Florio, brought to you by Simply Seattle. Tired of
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
That was Mike Florio. Here's Softy and Dick.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
All right, big thanks to our friends at simply Seattle
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for the holiday. Whatever you get your eyes on, Mariner gear,
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here he is from the NFL and NBC Pro Football
(00:44):
Talk dot Com PFT live, the heavyweight champion people of
the NFL Press Corps. My friend Michael Florio, Mike, how
are you pal doing great?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Guys there, we're doing good.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I told somebody the other day that this Thursday night
game tomorrow with the Rams and Seahawks, if you're like
ten years old, is their version of the eighty five
Bears Dolphins game back in the day on Monday Night football.
This is about as big as they get in the
regular season on Thursday night. Give me your thoughts on
what you think is going to go down tomorrow at Loumenfield.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Man, I wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Compare it to Bears Dolphins for eighty five. It's closer
to Seahawks forty nine ers. What was that twenty nineteen
was that the season ending winner gets the one seed,
loser is.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
The five seed. It's far closer to that.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
And speaking of the forty nine ers, I thought that
only at the schedule in the standings today, if the
Seahawks win this game, the forty nine ers can steal
the division. They can steal the division. They can be
the one seed because they've got the Colts, the Bears,
and the Seahawks. They went out. If the Seahawks win,
forty nine ers went out, they're the one seed and
the division champions. So don't sleep on the forty nine ers.
(01:54):
Already came up there to Seattle and one back in
Week one. You got to go there to end the season.
And that's too games for Sam Donald in crunch time,
not one like last year Week eighteen, Vikings at Lions
that's two Tomorrow night and Week eighteen. Those of those
boxes need to be checked. Or you can have a
forty nine ers with the one seed two home games
(02:14):
after the bye week, they win them both, and they
played the Super Bowl in their own damn stadium.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
So the first time these two teams played, he had
a sixty yard field goal miss that would have given
the Seahawks the win despite Sam Donald throwing it four
times to the Rams.
Speaker 7 (02:28):
Does that game have any bearing at all in your
mind over what we're going to see tomorrow night, Well, it's.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Got bearing from the standpoint of the x's and oz's
and the game planning and what's on film and that
game within the game that is very nuanced and subtle,
and the looks that a show and the film study
and all that stuff that is far too complicated for
anyone to understand unless they're working in it. But the
reality is the Seahawks can't afford to get swepts. They
(02:55):
need this one badly because if.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
They lose this, when they fall a game behind.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
In the they're gonna have to make up two games
in two weeks. And the Rams finished with the Falcons
and the.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Cardinals, So the Ram has become.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
De facto division champs if not one seed. If they
win this game, and if they stumble, it opens the
door for the Seahawks for forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, let's talk about Tua bench for quinn Yewers a
couple of touchdowns in the fourth quarter, but looked awful
through three quarters on Monday night, and the Dolphins and
Mike McDaniel apparently have seen enough. What's your take on
the current situation involving to a tongue of iloa.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Well, we saw this one coming earlier in the year.
Mikey Daniels said after a game, everything's on the table
when it comes to quarterback position. By the next day,
he said to it won't be benched. He said everything's
on the table again on Tuesday, the day after the
loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers, in which Tua had a
few of those plays that and if you look at
(03:53):
him in isolation, he'll have these moments where the play
that's called isn't there. They take away the first red
and then he just freezes. There's a guy coming at him.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
He doesn't throw the ball away.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
He just completely seizes up like a computer that gives
you that blue screen or the old Xbox three to
sixty red circle of depth, like it's just over and
you can't have that for all the good things he does.
When you see that happen, it's like what is going
on here? And the Dolphins have decided they've seen enough.
The problem is they owned fifty four million for the
(04:26):
guaranteed next year. If they cut him, they're gonna have
to do with ninety nine million.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
In cap charges now.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
If they cut him with a post June one designation,
they can.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Spread it over two years.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
If they trade him, they're taking like sixty million plucks
next year in dead money if they trade him before
June one, and they're gonna have to pay him a
sizeable amount of his salary next year. No one's gonna
want to take on the fifty four million. So they've
got to decide what to do. And the options are
try to trade him unlikely, cut him far more likely,
or you could say, hey, we got to pay him,
we may as well keep him. But I don't think
(04:56):
having him around is going to be useful and helpful
to moving on, because there's that cluster of Dolphins fans,
and I think it's getting smaller all the time. But
they think that Tua is a solution and Mike McDaniel
and the rest of the team of the problem. And
that's just crazy at this point. But look at what
the Broncos did a couple of years ago. They pulled
the bad aid off with Russell Wilson. It took eighty
(05:17):
five million cap charges over two years. They're still taking
thirty two million this year. And where are they on
the brink of the number one seed?
Speaker 6 (05:23):
Well, speaking of neot alarm quarterbacks, what did you make
of what you saw from Philip Rivers on Sunday?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Well, it was a great story, and it is a
great story. And this is a very dated reference. But
the one percent of the audience that gets it, this
is for you. In uniform, Philip Rivers looked like he
was getting ready to play in the rematch of Taft
bakers Field.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Either you get that one? Are you with me on that?
I get that?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I'm trying. Sorry, well I'm not ninety, I'm only fifty two.
By the way.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Remind me, well, you're old enough that you should know
what I'm talking about. So you can think about that
one once we're done. But look, hey, I think for
the Seahawks. Here's what's impressive. It was the ultimate trap game.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Put yourself in the shoes of the Seahawks.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
They're facing a team that had lost four out of five,
I think, and they're coming in with a forty four
year old quarterback that hasn't played in five years. That
is the ultimate opportunity for a letdown. And they still
found a way to win the game. That was impressive.
You're going to have when you have a special season,
You're gonna have games that come along and they just
catch your flat footed, and the Colts almost did.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
But the Seahawks still pulled it off.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Knowing that that huge games coming up on Thursday, they
had all the ingredients for an upset in hindsight. In foresight,
it was like, all the Seahawks are going to kill
them because they've.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Been killing everybody lately. But the fact that they found
a way to.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Win that game when the Colts did everything in their
power to steal it, that's impressive.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
And that's what an elite team does.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
They don't lose those games that pop around from time
to time where it's just not.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Your day and you can't hold it together.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Mike, I feel like every week we're asking you for
the latest on Pete Carroll and his job in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
And Dick and I were talking yesterday.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I can't remember the last time somebody actually asked Pete
at a press conference if he's worried about losing his job,
And that was the question he got Monday. Should he
be worried about losing his job after one year?
Speaker 5 (07:10):
I think he should be.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
And he made the comment that he acknowledges it's a rebuild.
Do you really want to be there? If it's a rebuild.
One of the theories making the rounds is they'll work
out some sort of a settlement where he gets part
of what he's still owed.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
And they move on.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
The question is are they willing to admit that the
reboot from last year was a mistake?
Speaker 5 (07:27):
And look, here's the reality.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
And Tom Brady found a nice sweet spot for himself
where if things go well, he can do a victory lap.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
If things go poorly, he can say, hey, I work
for Fox. But when Mark.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Davids sold him a piece of the team at a
sweetheart rate, David said, and he said this back in
January after they had Pete Carroll and John Spy text
by text the GM Mark David said that Brady is
the guy on the football side to stabilize the organization.
He's a guy I haven't had.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Since John Gruden got forced out.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Well, Brady hasn't stabilized it other than to make it
very stable and very bad. And he doesn't get a
whole lot of grief for this. Being a drive by
part time owner or influence on football operations doesn't work.
He didn't usually go all in or all out, and
a lot of this is on him. And look, he
tried to get Ben Jonson and even the great Tom
Brady couldn't pull it off. He didn't want Sam Darnold,
(08:19):
he couldn't get Matthew Staffords. They settled for Gino Smith
and look at where they are. And I think one
of the reasons they want for Gino Smith they thought
the team.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Was better than it is. And I think that's one
of the.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Most important realities for any football organization, being very self.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Aware about how good or not good you are.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
They expected to be better than this. Pete expected to be.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Better than this.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
So it's a shock for everyone. I think at this
point it's not sustainable. Seventy five yards game against the Eagles.
That's the lowest the franchise is Mustardson's nineteen sixty one.
It is not sustainable. And if they don't do something,
here's something to watch. If they don't do something, you're
going to see the very few good players on that
team try to get out, like Max Crosby and Brought
(08:59):
Bowers And that's basically it. That's the list of the
great players on that team right now.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
What would you do, Mike, if you were Brett Veach
in Kansas City, would you just try to just tweak
it and play a drink yes, and play to win
in twenty twenty six, or would just say, you know what,
I'm going to use twenty twenty six as a time
to tear it down, let Patrick Mahomes get healthy, and
then try to win a championship in twenty twenty seven
(09:25):
when I've retooled everything.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I think there's no such thing as a full rebuild
in the NFL, because if you try to do that
and you have a sufficiently bad season, that's when ownership
deals pressure to make changes.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Now.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I don't think the Chiefs should ever consider involuntarily separating
from Brett Veach or Andy Reid, but this is one
of those. Change a tire on a moving car and
they've got the most important position covered. Look at all
the teams out there that are somewhat competitive and they
just don't have a quarterback. Think how bad the Chiefs
would be if they didn't have Patrick Mahomes. I think
they need to just do what they can and to improve.
(10:00):
They got to hit on the draft kicks. Those are young,
cheap players to become the nucleus off your team going forward.
If they become the contributors to the future, that's going
to dig you out of this. They need to make
good decisions about who to keep, who to.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Get rid of.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
They got to spend wisely in free agency.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
All the while, Patrick Mahomes is rehabing this.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Injury, and look, he's already attacking it.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
That's not a surprise.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I who we expect him to do everything in his
power to be back as quickly as possible.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
I just wonder whether or not I mentioned read. You know, it's.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Easy to stay on the job deep into your sixties
when it's smooth sailing straight to the super Bowl every year,
and they've been.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
To three straight and five out of six. Right, Well,
now that.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
You have to like I mean, and only Andy Reid
knows the answer to this question.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
But you're far more likely.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
To decide it's time when you're looking at and if
you're taking an honest assessment of where your roster is
and how much work needs to be done. Because by
the time we get to where we need to.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Be, is it going to be time?
Speaker 4 (10:54):
And does it make sense to handle a ton to
someone else?
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Now that's for him to decide.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
That's only for him to side, and he's been.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Coaching as a head coach since nineteen ninety nine. It
would be very, very difficult for him to walk away
from it.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
But this is I think the first occasion since Patrick
Mahomes arrived that it makes sense for him to take
a step back and ask himself, is it time? Or
are we going to dig in for what could be
three four years before we're back to what we were Well.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Mike, before you go, Mike Florio with US Pro Football
Talk dot Com, courtesy is simply Seattle. So this time
a year from now, when we have you on the
air and we're asking you about Joe Burrow, are we
talking about Joe Burrow the Bengal or Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
The something else in a year from now.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Well, John, you I'll be dead by then.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Wow, jeez, have a holiday morbid.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
That's another old reference. If you get that reference on
top of the other one, then you can be my friend.
And neither of you can be my friend because you
don't know what I'm talking.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
I thank you just now.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I think you bring up references that you know we're
not going to get, so that we won't be friends.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
By the way, that's I'm starting to understand this game.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Even if he got there, listen, even if he got
the rest of them, we wouldn't be friending. It's funny
because Joe Burrow had those comments last week that were
very stunning, because you rarely get that kind of candor.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
You get cliches. Guys internalized things. They don't talk openly.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
He was so down last week and he said he's
not having fun and he.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Wants to have fun again.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
And it doesn't take a genius to start connecting dots
back to the organization, which is notoriously cheap. They didn't
take the snow off the seats for crying out loud
this week and in violational league policy, because hey, it
costs money to bring people in to take the snow
off the seats.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
And what he said today, when I look.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
At that, he is leaving the door open a crack,
and I think it's going to be a delicate thing
for him to do, because you don't want everyone in
Ohio to hate you.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
He's from Ohio.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
When I wrote Playmakers four years ago, one of the
things I reported in there, and this is one hundred
percent true, and Bengals fans get triggered when I say it,
but I was told by someone in a position to
know if Joe Burrow was from Athens, Georgia and not Athens, Ohio,
he would have refused to play for the Bengals when
they had the opportunity to draft him first overall in
twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
So we got to factor all that in, and there.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Was this flurry of reports last week, Oh, he wants
to stay, He's got to play the game. And I
think what he's trying to do in a roundabout way,
I think he kind of makes the Bengals decide they're
better off selling high that if he's on this downward
trajectory and he's not happy, you're never going to get
more for him than you're going to get right now.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
So that's the way to do it. You make them think.
And haven't we all.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Been in one of those relationships where we really want out,
but it would be a lot easier if you can
convince the other person to be the one to end it,
Like you know, I mean, I've probably had that trick
put on me a couple of times, but I know
I used it at least once, and it can be
very effective if you play it the right way.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
And that may be what he's trying to do.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Mike Florio, great stuff, appreciate it. We'll see about next week.
Coupley will work something I'll do Tuesday. I'll be okay
done Tuesday. We'll talk to you tuesday.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Hey, you pay, you pay triple a rate. Holiday week holiday.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Give you a little holiday bonus.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
All right, I'll give you a little extra matza ball
soup with your Menora next week. Man, all right, great stuff, Man,
enjoy the weekend seeing pass all right, yeah, davidly ra
lights Thenora, Yes, I do remember that difference we get
As a matter of fact, check out.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
No, hang on, check out this. You're like this ra
elimate Thenora, you know who that is. By the way,
that idiot, that's you
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