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June 11, 2025 11 mins
Mike Florio of PFT joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about contract disputes for NFL players, Aaron Rodgers finally signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Falcons having to make decisions on two players, the Chiefs’ stadium deal and the draft’s future.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for a weekly conversation with Pro Football Talks
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(00:21):
here's Softy and Dick.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
All right.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
By the way, grey example is not going to happen today.
Coach move some meetings around so ain't gonna work. So yeah,
second second day in a row. So okay, thanks all right,
Mike Florio joining us right now on the radio show.
Courtesy is simply Seattle dot com. Whatever you got your
eyes on. Its code KJR fifteen at simply Sattle dot com.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Mikey, how are you pow? What's going on?

Speaker 5 (00:44):
What's going on? Guys?

Speaker 4 (00:46):
How are you pretty good?

Speaker 3 (00:47):
So all these holdouts we're seeing right now?

Speaker 4 (00:50):
TJ. Watt, Terry McLaurin.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Obviously, I know there's more guys that are holding out
right now, but how many of them do.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
You actually believe he will result?

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Trey Hendrickson in new contracts and bigger and better deals
for the players that are doing the holding out.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Well, and let's remember they aren't classic holdouts in the
sense that they're holding out the training camp. They're skipping
mandatory mini camp.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
They have the right to do.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
That under the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Too many people say, oh,
onto your contract. Well, every player has two contracts that
governs his existence on an NFL roster. One he got
individual contract with the team, and two there's a broader
contract that covers all players and all teams. It's called
the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
It gives the players the ability, if they choose to
do so, to stay away from mentoring mini camp.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
They can be fined up to a total of one
hundred and four thousand dollars for a three day absence
of the mandatory mini camp.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
So some guys like James.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Cook, the Bills running back, who believes he's earned a
new contract, wants that new contract. He said, I like
my money. He decided to show up. These other guys
has stayed away, and I think calmer heads will prevail
and deals will get done. In Cincinnati, you never know
what the hell they're going to do because I don't
think they really care. And if Trey Hendrickson decides to

(02:07):
draw a line in the sand and not show up,
he could end up being this year as a son
Reddick who held out into the regular season and ended
up losing millions of dollars. But for the most part,
I think TJ. Watt gets his deal. I think that
Terry McLaurin gets his. I think when the Commanders traded
for Deebo Samuel, who's making more money, they shore Terry
McLain they knew they're gonna have to do something.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
Just the question of getting it done.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
It's a question of determining when the clock strike midnight.
It's the deadline driven business. Both sides need to understand
when midnight is and then that's when the deal gets done.

Speaker 6 (02:35):
Mike, we haven't talked to you since the final piece
of the quarterback plan fell into place with Aaron Rodgers
going to the Steelers.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
I'm with you.

Speaker 6 (02:43):
I was a little surprised to see that they got
such a bargain on them. Is that simply just because
there was no other demand for Aaron Rodgers, They're basically
bidding against them. Say he was bidding against himself.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Well, at the end of the day, yeah, that was
the only team that wanted him, but he made it
clear he wasn't looking to get huge money, and there
was some back and forth between him and his agent
because the agent ultimately puts his name on this deal,
and if it's not a great deal, it's a reflection
on the agent. And yes, the agent can take the position.
I told him not to take that little. I told
him to take more. I told him he should take

(03:14):
even more. In my understanding is the agent, David Dunn,
got Rogers to take more than what he wanted.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
And it would have been less than the thirteen point
sixty five million dollar base.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
But it's a hell of a bargain for the Steelers
whatever Aaron Rodgers does, when you consider they got him
for thirteen point sixty five and the most they'll pay
him is nineteen and a half million, And if they
end up paying nineteen and a half million, it will
be the best nearly twenty million ever spent in the
history of the league because it will mean they've won
the Super Bowl, because that's one of the triggers that
activates the maximum package that gets it to nineteen five.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Well, I guess the question is how big of an
upgrade is it over what they would have had at quarterback.
I mean, my argument is it's a pretty damn big
upgrade over what they would have had a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Well, and it's a big upgrade over what they've had
at quarter back since Ben Roethlisberger retired and possibly since
twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. The Steelers made Ben
Roethlisberger an offer that was significant enough that it wasn't
an insult, but low enough that they thought he would
not take it, and they were surprised when he took it.
They thought he would just retire, and so twenty one

(04:19):
was kind of a weird year. But really ever since then,
Kenny Pickett for two years. Last year, Russell Wilson and
Justin Fields. This year it was going to be Mason
Rudolph and Skylar Thompson and Will Howard until Rogers decided
to join the team.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
And I believe that he.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Told Mike Tomlin a while ago that he was coming there,
and that they decided that Rogers decided, maybe they decided together.
He's less of a distraction if he's not signed and
not participating in the offseason. Program than if he signed
and staying away. So they waited until write before the
mandatory mini camp. They get him signed, and he is
an upgrade over what they had. And that's what I

(04:59):
said whenever the issue comes up with fans that are
skeptical about this, the minute he starts firing missiles in
a regular season game and they start winning, and they
have three winnable games.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
Right out of the gates, all due respected to Seahawks.
But that game in Pittsburgh is when the Steelers should win.
They have a couple of.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Road games wrapped around the home game against Seattle before
they go to Ireland to play the Vikings.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
They should start.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Three and oh.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
And if they start three and oh.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
And then they go to Ireland and they beat the
Vikings and they go into their break at four and oh,
the fans are going to be feeling pretty good about
Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
Mike, what's going on in Atlanta?

Speaker 6 (05:34):
Will Kirk Cousins be on the roster at the start
of the season, and same question for Kyle Pitts or
will they try to move them?

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Well, I think at this point for Cousins, it's a
pretty simple analysis. They're gonna hold him until somebody gets injured.
And we've seen in the past when a quarterback suddenly
suffers a season ending injury, there is a potential market
for another team that has an available quarterback. The Vikings
went through it twice twenty sixteen to the Water's knee
imploded and they gave up a first round pick and

(06:03):
a fourth round pick to get Sam Bradford away from
the Eagles. Twenty twenty three, when Kirk cousins achilles tendon
blew out, it was right at the trade deadline. They
ended up scouring the market and they got Josh Dobbs
to come in and play for a while, until that
didn't work out and they.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Benched him for someone else.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
So we see desperation arise when a team loses a
starting quarterback. And for Cousins, he'll get twenty seven and
a half million dollars this year and he just waits.
And one of the guys that could get injured is
Michael Pennick Junior. You know, I'm always reluctant to mention
names when we talk about possibility of injury, but we
know injuries happened.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
Twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
There were numerous quarterbacks that were injured and out for
the year, and that may be the only way out
of this for the Falcons, And of course comes to worse,
they keep Cousins around, and after this year they cut him.
They owe him ten million dollars fully guaranteed, subject off
that next year he'll go somewhere else and make more
than ten million dollars and that'll.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
Be it for the Falcons and Cousins ninety million.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Dollars later, but they at least will have gotten the
guy that they believe he is going to be their
franchise quarterback in Michael Pennick Junior.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
What's going on with the chief stadium and their future
home wherever or whatever that is.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Well, you know, at a time when we've seen teams move.

Speaker 5 (07:14):
The Raiders, the Chargers, the Rams.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
The Chiefs have a situation where they've got two options
that are local, two Kansas cities, one on each side
of the border, and in Missouri.

Speaker 5 (07:26):
See how this all came to be.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Last year, there was a public vote on the extension
of a sales tax that would have gone to renovating
Arrowhead Stadium and building a new baseball stadium for the Royals.
That vote overwhelmingly lost, even with the Chiefs riding two
straight Super Bowl wins, that vote died, then came Kansas,
and now Kansas has an offer on the table that

(07:51):
they claim expired the end.

Speaker 5 (07:52):
Of this month.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Missouri today passed a bill that is waiting for the
governor to sign it, and they fully expect the Governor
Wilson on it that will pay four fifty percent of.

Speaker 5 (08:02):
A one point five billion dollars one.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Point one five excuse me billion dollar renovation to Arrowhead.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
The Chiefs at some point are going to have to
decide what do we want to do.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Do we want to renovate Arrowhead and spend less. Do
we want a new dome stadium in Kansas and spend
more but possibly get a super Bowl in Kansas City,
have other events they'll make more money over the long haul.
And that's where we see a lot of these cold
weather teams going. They want to have dome stadiums because
they believe they can attract major events all year long,

(08:31):
maybe at Super Bowl. You know, we've seen it time
and again. Cold weather cities that have dome stadiums that
are paid for at least in part by public money
end up with Super Bowls.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
So that's the challenge for.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
The Chiefs and the statement they issued after Missouri passed
the build a day.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
It's clear the Chiefs have not yet made a decision.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
And they're milking this thing and they're in the driver's seat.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
Right now between Missouri and Kansas.

Speaker 6 (08:53):
Mike, what do you think of Peter King's premonition that
we're going to have no NFL draft in the future
and it will be more like a coll selection process
with recruits.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
I was stunned when he said that on PFT Live
a couple of weeks ago, because the draft itself is
baked into the current collective bargaining agreement. It's one of
the realities of a multi employer bargaining unit where you've
got thirty two teams that otherwise could not come together.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
And make rules like that.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
They are thirty two independent businesses.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
You can't make combined rules for your leborforce unless you
have a joint nationwide union, which the NFL has.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
So the NFL, I don't think is ever going to voluntarily.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Give up the draft, but you never know what may happen.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
And we see things change all the time.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
And Peter's broader point was this, if the draft ever
would go away, the NFL would come up with something
else that would take its place and be as successful.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
The NFL has a way of just kind of.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Tripping over its own two feet into better situations. The
Draft has become as big as it is now because
it's this road show that draws hundreds of thousands of people.
That happened accidentally because there was a scheduling conflict at
Radio City Music Call in twenty fifteen, they had an
Easter spectacular. The NFL couldn't get them to move it,
so they said, fine, we'll go somewhere else for the draft.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
Hey, let's go to Chicago. They did it one year
in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
They liked it, They went back to next year, they
liked it. They decided we're going to start going to
other cities. And when they went to Philadelphia in twenty seventeen,
that was kind of when.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
It all exploded.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
So the point is, if it ever does happen, it
isn't doom and gloom for the NFL. Whatever replaces the Draft,
the NFL will figure out how to turn that into
a big deal too.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Mike, we we love you. Thank you for being a
part of the show. Oh thanks, we'll talk to them, bubble,
thank you about it, Miike Flora. You see, I'm trying
to be complimentary. For God's sakes.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
The maritors, Oh no, we suck again.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Blues to the Diamondbacks. Dan Wilson has spoken, we're going
to talk about this. I got some numbers that'll make
your head spin. So if you don't feel like having
your head spin off your neck, you might want to
flip off the radio station and go do something else.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
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