March 5, 2025 • 14 mins
Mike Florio of PFT joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about DK Metcalf’s trade request becoming public today, when the best time to make a trade would be, what the state of the Seahawks is as a contender or not, and the return in a trade.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
They've done it.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
They have a thank you DK Metcalf T shirt on
their website. I wonder if I'll have a thank you
Tyler Lockett T shirt as well.
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at NBC. Our friend, Mike Florio, Mike, how are you many?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
With not much?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
We appreciate a big day to have you on DK
Metcalf wants a trade, We'll just throw it out there
and just give you the floor.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
What do you think.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Well, it's funny because last week at Scout and Combine
we had John Schneider on the show and we asked
him about these random things that you hear from time
to time about whether or not DK Metcalf is going
to be moved to another team, and John Schneider said, basically,
that's the news to me. By Friday, they were conflicting
reports on whether or not the Packers and the Seahawks
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have been talking about a potential trade that died down.
Now all of a sudden, Metcalf asked for trade and
the Seahawks are going to explore one. It doesn't really
stun me. He's been there six years. He's had nine
hundred yards receiving in each of his six seasons, three
of them won over one thousand. I heard you guys
talking before about how they use and we've been complaining.
From the moment it was clear that he's this massive
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physical specimen that could be the centerpiece of an offense.
And when do they do jet sweeps, when they do
bubble screens? They never get the ball in his hands
as often as they should and take full advantage of it.
And when you look at what he's being paid now,
eighteen million this year is not a ton of money
relative to the market. But this might be the culmination
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of Metcalf saying time for a new contract. Justin Jefferson's
at thirty five, Jamar Chase is going to go north
of forty. I'm at eighteen. I want more money. We're
not going to give it to you, okay, than trade me.
I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of it.
And that's why this trade is tougher than the Deebo
Samuel trade. He's going to Washington for a fifth round
pick with seventeen point five to five million to this year.
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Devo is not looking for a new contract because he
has regressed since getting his second contract. Metcalf is still
a stud and he wants another bite at the apple
that is will commensurate with the market. So it becomes
challenging anytime you're talking about a trade and a new contract,
because the more you have to give up in trade,
the less you're willing to pay. The more you have
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to pay the player, the less you're willing to give
up in trade. It's a reway negotiation that needs to
find a sweet spot and we'll see if they can
work it out. But the genie's out of a bottle
on this. Yeah, I really don't expect a renewal of valves.
Like with Matthew Stafford, it's kind of the same thing. Hey,
go see what's out there and maybe we'll trade you.
This feels more like it's done, not Let's see what
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happens once you see what else is out there and
decide whether or not you want to stay. Unlike Stafford,
he's asked to be moved.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
So what do you think is value is on the
trade market And how much did DK hurt the Seahawks
and DK's trade value by going public.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
I don't know how much it hurts it because if
you have multiple teams at the table, you still have leverage.
The only time you have an issue is if there's
only one team. That's when it behooves you to say
we're not trading him. Because the more convincing you are
in your comment that we're not trading him, then that's
your leverage. We'll just keep him. Somebody comes to your
house and says, Hey, i'd like to buy your house.
Here's how much i'll pay. Sorry, I'm not selling, but
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if you're like, man, I want to sell, I really
want to sell them there's only one buyer out there. Well,
I'm kind of stuck because there's only one buyer. I
think they'll be multiple teams that want him, and the
question becomes who's going to make the best offer. Again,
it's a combination of what it takes in trade compensation
and what it takes to make him happy with his contract,
and is the next team willing to value him the
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way he wants to be valued. So it's not going
to be easy. But I suspect that they'll do a
deal right before the pick. Well, they could do it sooner.
But if you're going to trade him for a twenty
twenty five draft pick, the best time to do the
trade is when the pick you're acquiring is on the clock,
because then you don't have to worry about somebody saying,
oh wait, another seance have that pick. Oh they're up
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in fifteen picks. What do we have to do to
get past them to block them from getting the guy
they want? Think back to the AJ Brown trade. It
happened when he was on the clock and the Titans
draft to a receiver. Now, it didn't work out, but
if everybody knew they were looking for a receiver and
there were picks to go, somebody might have jumped them
for the guy they wanted. So this could run all
the way up until the draft, it really or they
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just get it done now and get his number off
the books and they take their picks and they deal
with the fact that everybody knows the picks they've inherited.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Well, I think I think Mike and again Mike Florio
with us courtesy is simply a Seattle Dk Metcalf wants
that wants to trade a Hawks are gonna let him
and his agent pursue something. The part of that equation
that you mentioned that I think is really important to
talk about is what dk Metcalf can get in a
deal from the team that he goes to. Because I
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saw schefter, and I gotta be honest with you, man,
I know that you've gone back and forth with these
guys on social media every now and then. I'm getting
real tired of some of these reporters trying to sell
stupid to the fan base out there. Schefter said something
like he wants to play for a contender.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
No, he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
He wants to play for the team that will give
him the most money period, end of freaking stories. So
that is, to me the biggest part of this equation.
What kind of contract can DK Metcalf secure and then
what will the Seahawks get in return from that football team?
I mean, tell me about that about kind of where
he lands is twenty five? Is he a thirty million
dollar receiver right now?
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Well that's TBD. And here's the thing. Last week was
tampering central so Metcalf agent and I don't know who
it is without looking it up. There's a database that
has them all sorted by player and their agents. Last week,
all the agents were in Indianapolis because they do an
annual agent meeting. It's mandatory to attendant. They're all there,
they talk to the teams. Tampering happens because there's no
way to create a breadcrumb trail of who talked to who.
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If Metcalf agents were wise, they would have gauged last
week what someone would pay him. This process doesn't activate
until you're confident you know where it's going to end.
So the right way to do this is you find
a team through hypothetical conversations that would technically be tampering.
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It's willing to pay what he would want. It's willing
to give what you think the Seahawks would want, and
then it's just a matter of turning the keys and
it's done. That's the best way to do it. And
if that's the case, a trade should come quickly. If
everybody already knows where the pieces are and how they
fit together, it should come quickly. If it takes a while,
then that foundation wasn't laid last week in Indianapolis.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Good.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
I'm not going to totally dismiss the take that he
wants to play for a contender, because I don't believe
this happens if this is the Eagles or the Ravens
or the Chiefs or the Bills. So how much of
this is a referendum on both his quarterback and the
state of this franchise right now?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Well, the thing is, if you do lead with the
idea that you want to play for a contender, you
do put yourself in a position where maybe you're gonna
get less money. You want to play for a contender.
All Right, that's what you value. So instead of getting
top dollar from another team, you're going to get left
to go play for a quote unquote contender. And look
the folks who who traffic in news and nuggets and
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basically breaking a transaction five minutes before it's announced. There's
a certain game they have to play. This isn't specific
to Schefter, it's specific to all of them. And over
the past seven or eight years, he've kind of grown
past that where I'm trying to break stories that they
don't want us to know the stuff they already are
going to tell us. Anyway, I'm not going to sell
my soul once liver at a time and push the
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propaganda that the agent or the team wants out there.
So I'll still be at the front of the line
to the text message about the inevitable DK Metcalf trade.
So who knows what the real motivation is. But if
he wants to play for a contender, he's going to
get less money. If he wants to go top dollar,
then you just go wherever the wind takes you. But
look at it this way. If it's a team that
really isn't a contender, if you're a bottom feeder right now,
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are you going to make a significant investment in an
older receiver who's got a lot of wear and tear,
who's going to want a lot of money. I mean,
I guess it sells tickets and some owners care about that,
but it's not going to be part of a long
term solution to a team that's currently dysfunctional.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I mean, as possible that the team that spends the
most money on him is also the best team right
among those teams that he's looking for.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
But I am I think you're right. I think he's
just going after the bag, and I don't I look
at him, blame the guy.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
It's a hard sport to stay howe, and it's got
the lowest shelf life of any major sports league.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Got there.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I don't blame the guy whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
But you know, look, I mean, you know people are
throwing out, you know, a first round draft pick for
DK me, Mike. I'm looking at when DeAndre Hopkins was
coming off three straight first team AP All Pro years,
he went from the Texans to Arizona, and the Texans
netted a second rounder, number forty overall in David Johnson.
If a guy like that, who, by the way, was
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the same age as DK is right now, he's twenty
eight years old. If a guy like that, who's coming
off three straight first team AP All pros can get
a second and a running back, are we really convinced
that DK Metcalf is going to get a first round
draft pick in return?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Generally speaking, and this is based on twenty plus years
of doing this, I think once a non quarterback is
into his second contract, it's much harder to get a
first round pick for him. It's not impossible if you're
a superstarlic at Randy Moss, he was in his second
contract and the Vikings got a first round pick and
more of course, they went and drafted Troy Williamson with
the pick got from the Raiders, and he ended up
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being a bust to end all busts. That's part of
the problem with rolling the dice on a draft pick.
There's no guarantee it's going to hit Metcalf hit. I
think it's gonna be hard to get a first round
pick for DK Metcalf, especially now that you could get
into a situation where there's multiple teams that believe they
can unlock a higher level of performance and he could
be a beast to get out like a Pall Owens
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impact on the Philadelphia Eagles. That's not impossible. But Owens
didn't go for a first round pick when he went
with the Eagles. I think it was a what a
three or four? I mean, it was not a massive deal.
So I think your instincts are right, and we'll see
what happens. It all comes out of how many teams
are at the table. You know, the team that played
a trade better than any team I've ever seen is
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the Texans for Deshaun Watson. Setting aside the fact that
look at what happened with Watson, but if you get
multiple teams that want the guy, you basically prequalify all
of them to go talk to the guy on a contract.
So you do trades with three or four different teams
as to what they will give you if they're the pick,
and then you let the teams and the player go
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figure out where he's going to go. That's the best
way to do.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
It, Mike fill in the blank. The DK Metcalfe era,
if indeed over in Seattle, has been.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
What underperforming, but not his fault. Again, he could have
been so much better. He could have been a much
bigger star. They could have gotten the ball in his
hands more often. They could have used him the way
the forty nine ers use Deebo Samuel. Now you're exposing
him the greater injury risk. But this guy is an
incredible athlete and it frustrated Sims in me. We talk
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about this on PF you lot all the time in
his first couple of years, like, why are they not
getting the ball in this guy's hands? Remember the Randy
ratio that Mike Tys had in Minnesota. It was stupid
because it works backward because they won every game in
which Randy Moss touched the ball forty percent of the time.
So they thought you could engineer that. Hey, if he
touches the ball forty percent of the time, we're going
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to win. That's kind of dumb, But the bottom line
is you got to make a concerted effort to get
a great resk the ball. And the sad part is
he could have been so much better, maybe with a
team that would have gotten the ball in his hands
more frequently.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, Mike, great stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Tyler Lockett got released study about the Seahawks, and there's
people the vMac that are pissed about that that this
Metcalf stuff leaked on the day that a ten year
Seahawk gets let go, So instead of celebrating him, we're
talking about DK Metcalf. You have any quick thoughts on
Unlockett and if he ends up maybe trying to play
for somebody else.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Lockett's one of those great players who become part of
the foundation and the glue of your team. And because
he doesn't go out of his way trying to draw
attention to himself, and because look, it's not a New
York LA, big market America's team, a bunch of primetime games,
a team everybody talks about, you never really get the
credit that you should. But he doesn't seem like a
guy who prioritized that, and that in a sport where
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there are plenty of guys who are doing everything they
can to say to the whole world, look at me.
If you have that personality that's founded on humility and
doing your job and not wearing a about how much
credit you get, sometimes you do get overlooked. And I
hope that people will appreciate Tyler Lockett's career beyond Seattle.
I think the folks in Seattle do beyond Seattle. I
think people need to realize he was a special player
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for a long time, and it's a shame. But these
things all in. Every football team is a giant football
machine full of interchangeable parts, and every part at some
point is going to be changed out. The only question
is do they go on their own, are they removed
by the team, do they break? Whatever the case may be.
And this is what happens. The career runs its course
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and the team moves on, and it's unfortunate. But I
hope he gets more credit for how he went about
his business all those years.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Hey, great stuff man, we're talking a week, buddy, appreciate it, Mats, Mike,
all right, Mike Florio with us.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
We're going to break. Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
A lot to get to there. I want to also
replay his last answer about how he'll be remembered that
you asked, Mike Florio. There, Dick, we'll get to all
that coming up. On a busy day, DK Metcalf wants
to trade Tyler Lockett's been released and the Crack and
Blue their roster to Kingdom. Come all that more next
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
They've done it.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
They have a thank you DK Metcalf T shirt on
their website. I wonder if I'll have a thank you
Tyler Lockett T shirt as well.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
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Speaker 3 (00:45):
Here he is, baby, What a day to have him
on the King of.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
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Speaker 3 (00:57):
With not much?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
We appreciate a big day to have you on DK
Metcalf wants a trade, We'll just throw it out there
and just give you the floor.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
What do you think.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Well, it's funny because last week at Scout and Combine
we had John Schneider on the show and we asked
him about these random things that you hear from time
to time about whether or not DK Metcalf is going
to be moved to another team, and John Schneider said, basically,
that's the news to me. By Friday, they were conflicting
reports on whether or not the Packers and the Seahawks
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have been talking about a potential trade that died down.
Now all of a sudden, Metcalf asked for trade and
the Seahawks are going to explore one. It doesn't really
stun me. He's been there six years. He's had nine
hundred yards receiving in each of his six seasons, three
of them won over one thousand. I heard you guys
talking before about how they use and we've been complaining.
From the moment it was clear that he's this massive
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physical specimen that could be the centerpiece of an offense.
And when do they do jet sweeps, when they do
bubble screens? They never get the ball in his hands
as often as they should and take full advantage of it.
And when you look at what he's being paid now,
eighteen million this year is not a ton of money
relative to the market. But this might be the culmination
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of Metcalf saying time for a new contract. Justin Jefferson's
at thirty five, Jamar Chase is going to go north
of forty. I'm at eighteen. I want more money. We're
not going to give it to you, okay, than trade me.
I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of it.
And that's why this trade is tougher than the Deebo
Samuel trade. He's going to Washington for a fifth round
pick with seventeen point five to five million to this year.
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Devo is not looking for a new contract because he
has regressed since getting his second contract. Metcalf is still
a stud and he wants another bite at the apple
that is will commensurate with the market. So it becomes
challenging anytime you're talking about a trade and a new contract,
because the more you have to give up in trade,
the less you're willing to pay. The more you have
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to pay the player, the less you're willing to give
up in trade. It's a reway negotiation that needs to
find a sweet spot and we'll see if they can
work it out. But the genie's out of a bottle
on this. Yeah, I really don't expect a renewal of valves.
Like with Matthew Stafford, it's kind of the same thing. Hey,
go see what's out there and maybe we'll trade you.
This feels more like it's done, not Let's see what
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happens once you see what else is out there and
decide whether or not you want to stay. Unlike Stafford,
he's asked to be moved.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
So what do you think is value is on the
trade market And how much did DK hurt the Seahawks
and DK's trade value by going public.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
I don't know how much it hurts it because if
you have multiple teams at the table, you still have leverage.
The only time you have an issue is if there's
only one team. That's when it behooves you to say
we're not trading him. Because the more convincing you are
in your comment that we're not trading him, then that's
your leverage. We'll just keep him. Somebody comes to your
house and says, Hey, i'd like to buy your house.
Here's how much i'll pay. Sorry, I'm not selling, but
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if you're like, man, I want to sell, I really
want to sell them there's only one buyer out there. Well,
I'm kind of stuck because there's only one buyer. I
think they'll be multiple teams that want him, and the
question becomes who's going to make the best offer. Again,
it's a combination of what it takes in trade compensation
and what it takes to make him happy with his contract,
and is the next team willing to value him the
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way he wants to be valued. So it's not going
to be easy. But I suspect that they'll do a
deal right before the pick. Well, they could do it sooner.
But if you're going to trade him for a twenty
twenty five draft pick, the best time to do the
trade is when the pick you're acquiring is on the clock,
because then you don't have to worry about somebody saying,
oh wait, another seance have that pick. Oh they're up
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in fifteen picks. What do we have to do to
get past them to block them from getting the guy
they want? Think back to the AJ Brown trade. It
happened when he was on the clock and the Titans
draft to a receiver. Now, it didn't work out, but
if everybody knew they were looking for a receiver and
there were picks to go, somebody might have jumped them
for the guy they wanted. So this could run all
the way up until the draft, it really or they
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just get it done now and get his number off
the books and they take their picks and they deal
with the fact that everybody knows the picks they've inherited.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Well, I think I think Mike and again Mike Florio
with us courtesy is simply a Seattle Dk Metcalf wants
that wants to trade a Hawks are gonna let him
and his agent pursue something. The part of that equation
that you mentioned that I think is really important to
talk about is what dk Metcalf can get in a
deal from the team that he goes to. Because I
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saw schefter, and I gotta be honest with you, man,
I know that you've gone back and forth with these
guys on social media every now and then. I'm getting
real tired of some of these reporters trying to sell
stupid to the fan base out there. Schefter said something
like he wants to play for a contender.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
No, he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
He wants to play for the team that will give
him the most money period, end of freaking stories. So
that is, to me the biggest part of this equation.
What kind of contract can DK Metcalf secure and then
what will the Seahawks get in return from that football team?
I mean, tell me about that about kind of where
he lands is twenty five? Is he a thirty million
dollar receiver right now?
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Well that's TBD. And here's the thing. Last week was
tampering central so Metcalf agent and I don't know who
it is without looking it up. There's a database that
has them all sorted by player and their agents. Last week,
all the agents were in Indianapolis because they do an
annual agent meeting. It's mandatory to attendant. They're all there,
they talk to the teams. Tampering happens because there's no
way to create a breadcrumb trail of who talked to who.
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If Metcalf agents were wise, they would have gauged last
week what someone would pay him. This process doesn't activate
until you're confident you know where it's going to end.
So the right way to do this is you find
a team through hypothetical conversations that would technically be tampering.
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It's willing to pay what he would want. It's willing
to give what you think the Seahawks would want, and
then it's just a matter of turning the keys and
it's done. That's the best way to do it. And
if that's the case, a trade should come quickly. If
everybody already knows where the pieces are and how they
fit together, it should come quickly. If it takes a while,
then that foundation wasn't laid last week in Indianapolis.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Good.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
I'm not going to totally dismiss the take that he
wants to play for a contender, because I don't believe
this happens if this is the Eagles or the Ravens
or the Chiefs or the Bills. So how much of
this is a referendum on both his quarterback and the
state of this franchise right now?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Well, the thing is, if you do lead with the
idea that you want to play for a contender, you
do put yourself in a position where maybe you're gonna
get less money. You want to play for a contender.
All Right, that's what you value. So instead of getting
top dollar from another team, you're going to get left
to go play for a quote unquote contender. And look
the folks who who traffic in news and nuggets and
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basically breaking a transaction five minutes before it's announced. There's
a certain game they have to play. This isn't specific
to Schefter, it's specific to all of them. And over
the past seven or eight years, he've kind of grown
past that where I'm trying to break stories that they
don't want us to know the stuff they already are
going to tell us. Anyway, I'm not going to sell
my soul once liver at a time and push the
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propaganda that the agent or the team wants out there.
So I'll still be at the front of the line
to the text message about the inevitable DK Metcalf trade.
So who knows what the real motivation is. But if
he wants to play for a contender, he's going to
get less money. If he wants to go top dollar,
then you just go wherever the wind takes you. But
look at it this way. If it's a team that
really isn't a contender, if you're a bottom feeder right now,
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are you going to make a significant investment in an
older receiver who's got a lot of wear and tear,
who's going to want a lot of money. I mean,
I guess it sells tickets and some owners care about that,
but it's not going to be part of a long
term solution to a team that's currently dysfunctional.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I mean, as possible that the team that spends the
most money on him is also the best team right
among those teams that he's looking for.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
But I am I think you're right. I think he's
just going after the bag, and I don't I look
at him, blame the guy.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
It's a hard sport to stay howe, and it's got
the lowest shelf life of any major sports league.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Got there.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I don't blame the guy whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
But you know, look, I mean, you know people are
throwing out, you know, a first round draft pick for
DK me, Mike. I'm looking at when DeAndre Hopkins was
coming off three straight first team AP All Pro years,
he went from the Texans to Arizona, and the Texans
netted a second rounder, number forty overall in David Johnson.
If a guy like that, who, by the way, was
(09:26):
the same age as DK is right now, he's twenty
eight years old. If a guy like that, who's coming
off three straight first team AP All pros can get
a second and a running back, are we really convinced
that DK Metcalf is going to get a first round
draft pick in return?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Generally speaking, and this is based on twenty plus years
of doing this, I think once a non quarterback is
into his second contract, it's much harder to get a
first round pick for him. It's not impossible if you're
a superstarlic at Randy Moss, he was in his second
contract and the Vikings got a first round pick and
more of course, they went and drafted Troy Williamson with
the pick got from the Raiders, and he ended up
(10:01):
being a bust to end all busts. That's part of
the problem with rolling the dice on a draft pick.
There's no guarantee it's going to hit Metcalf hit. I
think it's gonna be hard to get a first round
pick for DK Metcalf, especially now that you could get
into a situation where there's multiple teams that believe they
can unlock a higher level of performance and he could
be a beast to get out like a Pall Owens
(10:22):
impact on the Philadelphia Eagles. That's not impossible. But Owens
didn't go for a first round pick when he went
with the Eagles. I think it was a what a
three or four? I mean, it was not a massive deal.
So I think your instincts are right, and we'll see
what happens. It all comes out of how many teams
are at the table. You know, the team that played
a trade better than any team I've ever seen is
(10:43):
the Texans for Deshaun Watson. Setting aside the fact that
look at what happened with Watson, but if you get
multiple teams that want the guy, you basically prequalify all
of them to go talk to the guy on a contract.
So you do trades with three or four different teams
as to what they will give you if they're the pick,
and then you let the teams and the player go
(11:04):
figure out where he's going to go. That's the best
way to do.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
It, Mike fill in the blank. The DK Metcalfe era,
if indeed over in Seattle, has been.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
What underperforming, but not his fault. Again, he could have
been so much better. He could have been a much
bigger star. They could have gotten the ball in his
hands more often. They could have used him the way
the forty nine ers use Deebo Samuel. Now you're exposing
him the greater injury risk. But this guy is an
incredible athlete and it frustrated Sims in me. We talk
(11:34):
about this on PF you lot all the time in
his first couple of years, like, why are they not
getting the ball in this guy's hands? Remember the Randy
ratio that Mike Tys had in Minnesota. It was stupid
because it works backward because they won every game in
which Randy Moss touched the ball forty percent of the time.
So they thought you could engineer that. Hey, if he
touches the ball forty percent of the time, we're going
(11:55):
to win. That's kind of dumb, But the bottom line
is you got to make a concerted effort to get
a great resk the ball. And the sad part is
he could have been so much better, maybe with a
team that would have gotten the ball in his hands
more frequently.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, Mike, great stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Tyler Lockett got released study about the Seahawks, and there's
people the vMac that are pissed about that that this
Metcalf stuff leaked on the day that a ten year
Seahawk gets let go, So instead of celebrating him, we're
talking about DK Metcalf. You have any quick thoughts on
Unlockett and if he ends up maybe trying to play
for somebody else.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Lockett's one of those great players who become part of
the foundation and the glue of your team. And because
he doesn't go out of his way trying to draw
attention to himself, and because look, it's not a New
York LA, big market America's team, a bunch of primetime games,
a team everybody talks about, you never really get the
credit that you should. But he doesn't seem like a
guy who prioritized that, and that in a sport where
(12:49):
there are plenty of guys who are doing everything they
can to say to the whole world, look at me.
If you have that personality that's founded on humility and
doing your job and not wearing a about how much
credit you get, sometimes you do get overlooked. And I
hope that people will appreciate Tyler Lockett's career beyond Seattle.
I think the folks in Seattle do beyond Seattle. I
think people need to realize he was a special player
(13:11):
for a long time, and it's a shame. But these
things all in. Every football team is a giant football
machine full of interchangeable parts, and every part at some
point is going to be changed out. The only question
is do they go on their own, are they removed
by the team, do they break? Whatever the case may be.
And this is what happens. The career runs its course
(13:32):
and the team moves on, and it's unfortunate. But I
hope he gets more credit for how he went about
his business all those years.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Hey, great stuff man, we're talking a week, buddy, appreciate it, Mats, Mike,
all right, Mike Florio with us.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
We're going to break. Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
A lot to get to there. I want to also
replay his last answer about how he'll be remembered that
you asked, Mike Florio. There, Dick, we'll get to all
that coming up. On a busy day, DK Metcalf wants
to trade Tyler Lockett's been released and the Crack and
Blue their roster to Kingdom. Come all that more next
on a busy Wednesday, A ninety three three k j
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