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November 5, 2025 • 13 mins

Mike Florio of PFT joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about Kyler Murray’s injury with the Cardinals, Jayden Daniels’ injury with the Commanders, trade deadline moves including Sauce Gardner and Rashid Shaheed, and Buffalo beating the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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you man? Heh gentlemen, great to hear your voice again. Hey,

(01:06):
before we get into what's happening here in Seattle. I
want to ask you about their opponent. On Sunday, I
saw where the Cardinals put Kyler Murray on the injured
reserve list, and I seem to remember May and a
lot of people were pissed off at Arizona when they
had that deal in his contract that he had to
watch a certain amount of film every week. People even
called it racist, that they was embarrassing for him to

(01:28):
have that in there. And then I found an article
that I think you wrote, Mike, where Kyler Murray himself
admitted he didn't watch film and now he stinks he's
on the IR and people are actually happy that Jacobe
Brissette is starting for Arizona. So what does Kyler Murray's
future look like starting today?

Speaker 3 (01:44):
You think this is a strange situation because it was
just four days ago that Cardinal's coach Jonathan Gannon said
that Murray could have a role on Monday Night against
the Cowboy, and now he's one injured reserve. He really
is strange. Look the real injury, and there's a very
significant risk of re injury. It's a foot, it's not

(02:05):
a fracture, it's not a list Frank's brain. But you know,
when you're trying to accelerate off of that food, it
could put more pressure on it and cause a problem.
So they want him to be healthy. He wants to
be healthy. I think this is all pointing toward divorce
in the offseason. The question is do they trade him
or do they end up doing what the Broncos had
to do with Russell Wilson. Because there's nineteen point five million,
it becomes fully guaranteed the fifth day of the next

(02:28):
league year, and that's the reason to keep him in
bubble wraps, to put him on you to reserve and
leave him there and ride with Jacoby Rissett. But I
think the other side of this coint is they don't
want to make it look like they salad on Kyler Murray.
If they are going to try to trade him, you
want to try to get a good return, and if
teams sense that you're done with the guy, they may
lowball you to the point where you do have to

(02:49):
cut him. So the other thing that's covering all over it.
They've been curiously transparent over the past week or so
about Murray's status, going above and beyond what the injury
report requires and but no one going to come out
and admit it. But I wouldn't be surprised if the
truth was the NFL was telling certain teams behind the scenes,
don't play games. Announce who your start is going to be.

(03:09):
Don't do this back and forth guessing game for strategic game,
because it creates an important piece of inside information. It
can be abused and misused.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Mike, on your broadcast on Sunday night, the Seahawks obliterated
the Commanders. How much of what you saw was the Seahawks?
How much was it the Commanders and the dan Quinn
issue take it leaving Jayden Daniels in how much heat
should he be getting?

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Look? I think it was some of both, and the
Seahawks will clearly be a better team. But as Mike
Commins said after the Steelers somehow beat the Cults on Sunday,
in this business, you go from drinking wine one week
to squashing grapes to the next. And it's just a
handful of plays that can spark a runaway. And you
make a play here, you make a play there early,
and all of a sudden, it's the two score game,
it's the three score game. And it was over the

(03:55):
issue with Jaydon Daniels, And well, here's so much about analytics.
I think all of these mats pads that are in
every front office. At this point, you need do a
formula as to when you hit the kill switch on
the starting quarterback, either when you're ahead or when you're behind.
You got to play it smart because at that point
it's basically a preseason game. And how much do we
see starters playing the preseason. Get him off the field

(04:17):
for quarterback, the less you get hit, the less likely
you'll get hurt. And I preach all the time about quarterbacks.
You got to know when to avoid contact. Well, the
coaches have to know when to get him the hell
off the field, and that is an important obligation for
a head coach. And initially dan Quinn danced around it
and didn't answer it, but when he talked to reporters
on Monday, he admitted that he screwed up. My guess

(04:38):
is he was told to know on certain terms by
people above in the organization. You screwed up, and you
cost us our franchise quarterback and the season is basically over.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Now, what'd you make of the Jets sending Sauce to
the Colts for two first round draft picks. Good move
for both teams, good move for one team. What's your
end result on that thing.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well, the Jets were resisting fire sale, and when you
look at what a fire sale technically is, it's everything
must go. We're done, it's over. And they got great
value for sauce guard and the two first round picks,
and then Quinnon Williams the first round pick, a second
round pick, and they got a player from each of
the two teams they did business with. So the Jets
basically got an offer that they wouldn't refuse. And they

(05:19):
saw this possibility coming. They structured the sauce Guard in
the contract so it wouldn't create an, you know, an
over the top salary cap consequence next year. One of
the reasons Miles Barrett wasn't getting traded by the Brown
sixty three million dead money next year. Well, for South
Garden it's eleven million, and it's only eight point twenty
five million more than what it was otherwise going to
be for a signed bonus allocation. They only paid him

(05:41):
fourteen million, So they they set the table. They make
him happy, but they set the table for being able
if they get an offer, they don't want to refuse
to take it. So it looked like a win win.
You know, he fits better in his own defense, like
the Cults run not necessarily a man defense, and the
Jets get pieces where they if they use them properly.
I mean, that's the other side of this. You got
to use those picks properly. They got five first round

(06:03):
picks over the next two years. Their position to rebuild
this thing. We'll see what they do. But it made
sense for both teams, and it was a stunner, and
you know, it gave a nice little jolt to the
last few hours of the trade period.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Mike, it seems like the football deadline used to be
crickets and now it seems more like the baseball trade deadline.
Is that kind of how you understand it, And if so,
why is that?

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Well? I think it's different every year, and some years
we have greater expectations based upon all of the reporting
that's done ahead of time. There were a lot of
trades that happened well before the deadline. You know, you
see a need, you make a call, and you do
a deal. If there's a deal to be made, it
takes two sides. One of the realities is it takes
the full nine weeks to fully crystallize who's buying and
who's selling. And even then, some of the teams that

(06:47):
should have been buying, they don't want to give up
what they think is too much by way of future
assets to get help. Now, you know, Steelers fans are
upset they didn't do anything to make the team better.
Fans of other teams, the forty nine Ers fans, they're
up in arms. They didn't do anything. But it is
a delicate balance. How much of the future do you
mortgage to go get a guy that may not be
part of the future. It may just be a rental
for the rest of the year. So I think that

(07:09):
that those are factors that hey, as the trade go.
The Rashid Shaheed trade at the hell of a deal
for the Seahawks, because you know, it's hard to plug
a receiver in in the middle of the season. But
he already knows the system, he knows the urbage, he
knows the coordinator. You know, he's going to go from
New Orleans Seattle across the country and be expected to
play right away. But having that connection makes it a

(07:31):
lot easier, and now defense is going to have to
defend every blade of grass because you're going to have
Shaheed stretching everything deep and it opens up all the
stuff underneath, projecting Smith and jigb and Cooper Cup. I mean,
that's I think sneaky, like great win now all in
kind of a move by Seattle.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, it's funny you mentioned Cooper Cup there, Mike, because
a lot of us think that one of the reasons
why they made this deal is because they're not relying
on Cooper Cup as much. He's banged up, he's thirty
two years old, he's not producing like he used to.
How much of this trade is made because of their
maybe kind of concern about his injury and his future
at his age versus, Hey, let's just get as many

(08:08):
missiles on the offense as we can find.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
I think it's apples an orange is because of the
skill set she Head has, because of what a guy
with his speed can do to pull the safeties away
from all the underneath zones and dead spots where receivers
can go and have some room to maneuver and not
have to worry about the ball getting picked off, the
pass being broken up, or the guy getting tackled as

(08:31):
soon as he catches the ball. That's where she heat
makes a difference. And I saw that. Mike McDonald said
today that he'll contribute in the return game, and that's
how he first made his mark in New Orleans. But
once they decided this guy could be a good receiver,
they got him away from that. He was an All
Pro returner his second season. He basically stopped returning. In
year three, it looks like he's going to be doing
both as they try to get the most out of

(08:52):
his deal.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Can we learn anything from the Chiefs Bills matchup or
will the Chiefs just do what they always do in
January and overcome a loss early the Bills by beating
the Bills.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Well yeah, I mean, look, that's the reality. And I
think this is a very important human dynamic that is
relevant in all sports. In any competitive venture, you get
in certain situations where the sphincter Titans and when the
Bills gets the postseason, if they cross paths with the
Chiefs again, they're going to have the weight of the
world on their shoulders. The fact that they accomplished whatever
they accomplished this year to put themselves in position to

(09:24):
play that game, and then every past year against the Chiefs,
all the way back to the four straight Super Bowl
appearances that most of those guys weren't even born for.
That pressure just becomes insurmountable and you can't be loose
and make that play. There's five plays a game that
make a difference. You can't make that play when that
play matters. I think that's important. But the other thing
about this game, the stakes were the highest for both

(09:45):
teams that they had ever been for a Chief Bills
regular season games since they started crossing paths every year
in twenty twenty, because both teams won the division every
single year. Well, now look at where the Chiefs are.
They're in third place, a game behind the Chargers, who've
already beating the Chiefs once, two games behind the Broncos.
The Chiefs are going to have to pull an inside
straight here to win the division. And at some point

(10:06):
if they don't start stacking wins, and you know, it's
kind of sputtering. They win one and we think they're back,
and they lose one, and they win one and we
think they're back, and then they lose one. They got
to put a streak together here because there's the way
these dominoes fall. You look at I mean, you've got Patriots,
Bills wild card there, the team that doesn't win the division.
You've got Broncos Chargers wild card there. And then it's

(10:31):
the Jaguars who hold the tiebreaker against the Chiefs and
are five and three. If they win enough games, they
may edge the Chiefs out for making the playoffs at all.
And that's almost incomprehensible that the Chiefs wouldn't make the playoffs.
But if they don't start putting some wins together, they're
going to be in that mix the last three weeks
where they're looking at we need this to happen, this
to happen, this to happen.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
This to happen, or we're not getting in got I'm
looking at the Patriots, Mike before you go. I'm just
curious if you're buying what's happening out there. I think, Dick,
you took the Buccaneers on Factor fiction this week. Right,
So even if Tampa or the Patriots lose, Mike, there're
seven and three. Then they got the Jets, Bengals, Giants, geez,
they can win all three and be a ten win team.
Then Bill's Ravens. Lose those to your ten and five Jets,
Dolphins to end, you're a twelve win football team. It's

(11:14):
incredible how soft their schedule has been. So are you
buying this as a product of their schedule or are
the Patriots? Is the roster really that good and you.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Can't control the schedule. I think back to the nineteen
ninety nine greatest show on Turf, the Rams, the year
that they won the Super Bowl. Their schedule was as
soft as it could be. But you know what happens
when you play a soft schedule, You start winning games,
you start feeling better about yourself, you start gaining confidence,
you develop an aura, and that's what happening with the Patriots.
Drake Mey. Consider this, and this came from NBC Sports Research.

(11:46):
They put together a packet for us every week. And
if I actually, can you know, muster the attention span
to read it, there's some good stuff in there. Drake
May is only the fourth guy to have eight straight
games with two hundred or more yards passing and a
passer rating of one hundred or higher. There's only three
other guys who have done it. Aaron Rodgers did it twice,

(12:07):
Peyton Manning did it once, Tom Brady did it once,
and every time those guys did it, they were the
NFL MVP. That's the kind of season the Drake made
is kind of quietly putting together high completion percentage, efficient offense,
reliable to score points. The defense does enough. Mike Brabel's
a great coach. There was no denying that the Titans
never should have fired him. And it's all working out
perfectly for the Patriots. And there's a nice little break

(12:28):
between the Brady Patriots and the Drake May Mike Grabel
Patriots where I don't think they're going to feel that
pressure because it really isn't a team standing in the
shadows of the Patriots dynasty.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Mike florio great stuff. We'll talking a week. Appreciate it, man,
Thanks Mike, big guy. All right, Mike Florida with us
on the radio program. We're gonna break it's Factor fiction.
It's Wednesday, It's Jackson's Day. He will join us and
give us his selection one last week. Will he make
it two in a row or go back to the
pit of despair?

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Next?

Speaker 2 (12:59):
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