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December 10, 2025 • 11 mins

Mike Florio of PFT joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about Michigan firing Sherrone Moore and potential replacements from the NFL, the dysfunction in Las Vegas with Pete Carroll and Geno Smith, the Colts’ crazy quarterback situation, and the AFC.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:43):
Here.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
He is the heavyweight champion of the NFL Media Press
Corps NFL and NBC Pro Football Talk PFT Live. Our
friend Michael.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
The but Holes Florio, how are you man? Hello, budd Holes,
excuse me? Give me a good yeah? Good? Can we
get the guy Glass of water.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Please, what do you make of the situation that has
just unfolded Mike at Michigan with Sharon Moore getting fired
and who in the NFL? Of note do you think
Michigan may try and poach for that gig?

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Well, you know, let me tell you this, at the
risk of being overly cynical, if Michigan were preparing for
a playoff game, we wouldn't have heard anything about this.
Whatever he did to result in his.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
Firing for cause would not have caused them to fire him.
They would have looked the other way. This is manna
from heaven. This is found money.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
This is serendipity that you trip over an opportunity to
a going to buy out at a time when you'd
be content to find a new head coach. So they
get to start from square one, and we're four weeks
away from the NFL coaching carousel, and maybe a coach
that doesn't get fired would like to go coach Michigan.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
It opens up a universe of opportunities.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
Is there any sitting NFL coach that's in a good situation, like,
for example, our head coach who was the coordinator in Michigan.
A couple three years ago, would there be any sitting
head coach in a good situation that would potentially take
that job, or would have to be somebody that thought
that I might be getting fired in two months anyway.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Well, look, one of.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
The realities when it comes to NFL head coaches, their
contracts will say plenty about whether they can leave prematurely
to go coach.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
At the college levels. It doesn't happen very often.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Bobby Petrino voted on the Falcons in December of two
thousand and seven. I don't think they were all that
upset about him leaving because his one season they was
a disaster. When Nick Saban left the Dolphins Ormember, that
was December of two thousand and six, he famously declared,
I'm not going to be the Alabama coach, and then
as soon as the season ended, he was, wait for it,
the Alabama coach. His contracts, we had heard at the time,

(03:01):
specifically allowed him to leave for a college job. So
you could get into question of whether or not your
contract allows it.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
And depending upon what.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Mike McDonald has in his contract, he may not even
have the occasion to think about it. But every coach
is different. Every circumstance is different. Maybe McDonald looks at
a future that includes the possibility the team is going
to be sold, and we know it's not possible, it's inevitable.
We just don't know when. And I'm just throwing out
ideas that could cause someone to say, maybe the grass

(03:33):
will be greener somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
But you know, this is Michigan.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
It's one of the short list premiere programs, and so
anybody who is at one hundred percent thrilled where they
are has to entertain the possibility of making that jump
if Michigan would be interested.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, I mean I think I think you put it well,
Mike when you said a universe of possibilities, right, I
mean I just kind of threw out John Harball. I
don't know what Jim's relationship is like with Michigan that
might reclude his brother from going there. If the run
with the Ravens is coming to an end. I mean,
I might want to just call Pete Carroll and you know,
pick his brain a little bit and see what he
thinks about making a run back to college. But I mean,

(04:10):
would you see a guy like a like a John
Harbaugh potentially leaving the Ravens to go to college to
coach the Wolverines after his brother.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
I'll say this, It wouldn't be the first time the
possibility has been on the radar screen, and that would
be amazing if.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
He would go to Michigan.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
I don't know that he'd want to go to the
place where his brother had been the head coach. He's
got no connection there. He can go to school there,
Jim did. But hey, money speaks louder than any affiliation
and opportunity security.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
You know, there's a lot of factors to go into it.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Hell, Mike Tomlin's name may come up, even though Tomlin
said four years ago about the USC job never say never,
but never the last year or last week.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Ben roethlis Erger's.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Pushing the eye idea of tom and the Penn State.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
We know that ship had so out.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
So it's an interesting little nugget that has dropped into
the punch bowl in time for the holidays to figure
out what Michigan's going to do next.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
So if you brought up Pete, are Pete and Gino
won and done in Las Vegas?

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Look, I don't know, because dysfunctional teams do dysfunctional things
and it's difficult for the rational mind to predict the
behavior of the irrational, and the Raiders have been chronically
dysfunctional and irrational for twenty years now, really ever since
Mark Datas took over, if not some number of years
before that in the latter stage of.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Al Davis's life.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
But the question becomes, are they willing to admit that
they screwed this up?

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Now?

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Functional teams don't double down on mistakes.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
They admit them and they move on.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Are they ready to admit they made a mistake with
Pete Carroll, that they made a mistake with John Spytech.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
There's nothing they can do about it. That they made
a mistake with Tom Brady.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
And I think Brady deserves a lot more flat for
this than he's getting because he's kind of in.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
And out and he's not there all the time.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Mark Davis made it clear Brady got a sweetheart deal.
He got to buy a chunk of that team at
a below market rate because of his expertise and what
he could bring to the organization and what has he
brought to it. It's one of the worst teams in the.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
NFL right now.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Mike Florio's with us on the radio show, Mike, we
might see a forty four year old grandpa starting a
quarterback for the Colts on Sunday against the Seahawks. I mean,
what are you kind of hearing about that? You know,
Riley Leonard, Brett Rippen, Now, Philip Rivers, Who should the
Seahawks you think expect to face a quarterback on Sunday?

Speaker 4 (06:36):
Well, I think they should prepare for Philip Rivers.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Look, I criticized the cults on Monday night when I
started thinking back about the timeline. Here, Anthony richardson Week
six has an exercise band snap and suffers an orbital fracture.
And that's twenty two days before the trade deadline came
and went. They had an opportunity to go find someone.
Joe Blackwood already traded the Bengals, but they could have
called the Giant about Russell Wilson or Jamis Winston. They

(07:02):
could have scoured the depth charts and contacted a team
with three quarterbacks and made them an offer.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
I think they decided to.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Ride with Daniel Jones, Riley Leonard and Brett Rippon with
the fallback the free insurance policy of if something happened
to Jones were bringing Philip Rivers to Town Rivers and
Shane Stike and the head coach of the Colts of
State in contact, and it all happened so quickly injury
month Sunday Rivers Monday.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
I don't think that that Rivers processed this possibility immediately
and was ready to leave his his thirty eight kids,
you know.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
I mean, I think they knew that this bat signal
was potentially going to come on, and it did and
they mobilized.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
So I don't think it was brought in to hold
a clipboard. I think he was brought into play.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
Do you think he's a Hall of Famer and the
clock starts over If so, so he hasked to wait
another five years, right, Well, yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
If he's on the active roster, and I think what
will happen is he'll be on the practice squad. He'll
get elevated to the game day roster. They can do
that for a couple of weeks and basically carry an
extra guy on the team because he's not going to
go side with someone else as a member of the
practice squad.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
I really don't care if he's a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
As time goes by and the more I do this
the Hall of Fame process. It changes all the time,
The rules are different. You know.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
The stupid little petty vendetta is keep people out.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
It's a museum in Ohio that relies upon putting a
certain number of bucks in every year to get people
to show up for the one weekend on the calendar
cycle where it's relevant. Yah, And I'm just I'm down
on the whole thing. I don't think he gets in early.
I think he's gonna have to wait a while. My
gut feeling is no, but I ultimately don't care. You know,
the ultimate team sport having a Hall of Fame based

(08:43):
on individuals seems kind of weird to me. And the
older I get and the more I follow the NFL,
the stranger it is that this team sport spends so
much time and effort worrying about honoring individuals.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, are we going to see an AFC playoffs? Kevin
Harlan's coming up with us, Mike. I want to ask
him this same question, get his take, but I want
to get your take first. Are we going to see
an AFC playoffs without Lamar Jackson and Pat Mahomes this year?

Speaker 4 (09:07):
I mean, we could also see it without Josh Allen.
It's crazy when you talk about it.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
We've got a graphic that we've been using on PFT
Live that shows the current standings in the AFC, the
playoffs standings one through seven with the team still alive,
and the pictures on the graphic are Drake May and
Bo Nicks. And I said to Chris Sims the other day,
would you have imagined a year ago this scenario where

(09:31):
the Patriots with May and the Broncos with Nicks have
each won ten in a row, and they are the
kings of the conference and you have to go way
down on the list to get to Josh Allen, Lamar
Jackson and Patrick Mahomes. No one would have seen this coming.
I think there's a chance that none of them make it,
although I think the Bills probably will. Who knows what

(09:51):
The Ravens and the chief The only reason.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
I'm not giving up on the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
The example I've been using is the Chiefs are like
the friend that always shows up even if they're late.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
And you know Jim was supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
There at ten. The bar's closing it too, It's one thirty.
Do we leave or do we wait for Jim? To
show up, because if we leave, Jim's going to show up.
I'm not leaving on the Chiefs until they are mathematically eliminated.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
Well, you mentioned the teams that Drake May and bon
Nicks lead. You've got them won two in the rankings,
ahead of the Seahawks and Rams. Why do you like
the two AFC teams better than two top NFC teams.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Well, look, and the power rankings are a throwback from
me to the old days of the AP and UPI polls.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
I'm old enough to remember the UPI poll, which.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Became the US day to day coaches polled. And he
used to be twenty not twenty five. But the winning streaks,
the success like they get one and two the Seahawks,
And this isn't just a bit.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
I'm not pandering right now. The Seahawks are.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Peaking and if they can keep this up, they're the
team to beat in the NFL, not just the NFC.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
They've just got to keep it going what they've.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Done the past couple of weeks in dismantling the Vikings
and the Falcons.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
They all the dangerous team right now.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
They just have to stay in this sweet spot and
carry it into the postseason because we've seen teams sometimes
peak too soon.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Mike Florio, phenomenal job as always, enjoy the rest of
the week. We'll talk next Wednesday, man, Thank you, all right,
Mike Florio with us. Sharon Moore fired by Michigan Today,
we'll talk about that. There's already candidate lists hitting every
website in America. We'll tell you who the candidates are
for the job. Seahawks. I have not been on the air,

(11:31):
by the way, since they beat the Falcons on Sunday,
and I don't know what the narrative has been on
this radio station for the last two days regarding what
we should be talking about with the Seahawks. But there's
one thing that I think we should be talking about,
and if we're not, I think we're doing it wrong.
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