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April 30, 2025 • 12 mins
Mike Florio of PFT joins Dave Softy Mahler and Hugh Millen to talk about the situation with the son of Atlanta Defensive Coordinator Jeff Ulrich prank calling Shedeur Sanders as well as the fall of Sanders to the 5th round and lessons that can be learned by Deion.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:21):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
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(00:44):
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Our friend Michael Florio, Mike, how are you beell?

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Good afternoon?

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Buttho, it is great to hear your voicehumilynsay for Dick
Fane by the way, this week, but he's not yet.
We are. We were talking before you came on the
air about the Jacks Olbrick Jeff Olbricks situation. Uh, and
how is a father you would handle your son if

(01:18):
you were Jeff I mean, the NFL can't step in
and punish the kid. The the the team can't punish
the kid.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
The dad's been fine, the team has been fine. But
you've got kids. Obviously, what would have been your reaction
if you were Jeff Olbrick and your son did what
he what he did to show Dor Sanders.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
I'd like to think that it never happens.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
I'd like to think that kids properly understand that you
should never mess with moms or dad's work. That there
is no wrestling match between the devil on the left
shoulder and the angel on the right shoulder. The devil
never makes an appearance. Certain things are off limits. Messing
with dad's work is off limits.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
You don't do it.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
You don't go there, you don't play around, you don't
create an issue, you don't put Dad in a tough spot.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
That's just a no brainer.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
So that environment did not exist because Jacks Albrick felt
perfectly comfortable getting Now the statement from the fact is
quite possibly was the most innocuous explanation they could come
up with for what happened. Let's assume that that's what occurred.
Jacks Albrick sees open eyepad with information on it, including

(02:31):
should Ur Sander's phone number, and decides to write it
down and make a prank call.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
That's just something that I'd like to think my child
would never do. I know I would have never done
that for fear of being.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Ejected from the house permanently, especially if I was eighteen
or older. So I'm just stunned that it even happened.
I don't think there's anything to do after the fact.
The problem is it happened, and it shouldn't happen.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
Yeah, and that's a very sense reaction. You and I
are about the same age. You know, you're pushing sixty.
I'm a little older, but you know, for a twenty
one year old. And look, in no way am I
absolving or somehow trying to minimize what he did. I
just think a lot of times kids that you know,
they don't see, hey, it's just a fun little prank.

(03:20):
They don't see the cruelty and and that they're stepping
over the line. I guess the only thing you can
do it he's approaching the age you can't do much.
I mean, maybe, if you had a car, you take
away the car. If you had some trip to Mexico
with his buddies, you say, nope, you're not going to
the trip. There's got to be consequence to your actions.
But it's a little tougher Jeff. I mean, I'm sure
Jeff would have thought a week ago my son would

(03:42):
have would never do that either.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
First of all, I never thought of this before. But
I'm not really pushing sixty. Sixty is pushing me, So
I think we need to change that thing.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
Okay, yeah, well it's gonna win. Just say, if you're wondering.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
The NFL is notoriously reactive. It is rarely proactive. I've
been banging the drum ever since the US Supreme Court
opened the floodgates for state by state legalized force, betting
that the NFL needs to be far more concerned about
a big scandal because if it's not, it's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
And this is a quick diversion.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
The fact that a twenty one year old was able
to get any information from his dad's work. I've had
who works for an NFL team. It raises the question
of whether or not inside information is being pilfered by
kids for assistance in getting an edge with their DraftKings
or fans collapsed on their phone. Because we all know
kids that age are doing it. It's been normalized over

(04:41):
the last seven years. They've grown up in an era
where they see the ads.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
All the time. I'm terrified by.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
The possibility of the NFL having its legitimacy undermined by
something like that.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
That could be going on.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
But as it relates to this issue, and the NFL
is trying to push the idea, well, hey, we send
out const vidential memoranda to the teams with the names
and the numbers, and it's up to them to decide
how to distribute it, and if they fail to secure it,
it's on them. Here's the problem in this specific case.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
There were two communications.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Last Wednesday, and I have both of them. I'm going
to write about it tonight. I've mentioned it before, but
now it's relevant and it's time to really drill down
on this.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
There was one memo that had all.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
The numbers and it said confidential at the top. It
was sent to a limited group of people.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
But then last Wednesday.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
After they sent out the original memo, they send an
email to everyone who gets the daily transaction report. That's
all assistant coaches.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
That's Jeff Aulbrick.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
He would have got it straight from the league pointing
out that Tradeur Sanders has a new phone number. So
Jeff Albrick got that email. Nobody with the Falcons gave
it to him.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
He didn't ask for it from anyone. He got that email.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
It went to his email inbox and it never should
have gone there. So I think one thing the NFL
has to do in response to it is look in
the mirror and come up with ways to secure this information.
How many people really need to have it? Three at most,
owner GM and head coach you want her team gets it,
and I think going forward it won't be an issue
unless the prank calls are coming from people who already

(06:10):
have that kid's number.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
And that's what I think has been lost in this.
Not every one of these.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
Prank calls originates with an NFL official or a coach,
or someone who's gotten this information in an inappropriate way.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
It's possible somebody's friends are messing with.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well, Mike Florio's with us, and Mike it's just incredible
how the Sanders family in Colorado have just dominated again
the draft, right, I mean, the biggest story is should
do her falling? And the next biggest story might be
what we just spent five minutes talking about here on
the year is Shoulder getting punked by jeff ulbricks Son.
So everybody's got an opinion on this. Every talk show

(06:47):
in America, ESPN, Fox, PFT Live, NBCCBS, everybody is talking
about this. Some people throwing around racism, others throwing around
ignorant smell, Kuiper losing his mind? What did you make
of just the entire weekend regarding his fall?

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Well, I think in hindsight, and this is a problem.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
If people in the media are.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Going to allow anonymous sources to express opinions not.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Facts, there needs to be some meat on the bone.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
It can't be like the thing we saw last week
from NFL dot com, where it's broad He's not that good.
I've never been around someone so entitled. You've got to
have specifics, and the specifics weren't there. Brash and arrogant
is not a specific And by the way, I'd like
to think that most successful quarterbacks have some element of
brashness or arrogance to them because they're expected to go

(07:40):
out there and lead a team and an inherently physical.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
And violent sport.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
I think some of the stuff has come up afterward
really paints the picture. And the key to me is
the interactions with coaches at the white board. And it
sounds as if and there was a report about what
happened with the Giants, and I think there's other specifics.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Along these lines.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
He didn't take the process seriously, and his dad didn't
take the process seriously. But his dad was good enough
to not take the process seriously. Shadour is not talented
enough to take the process not seriously and he plays
a position or I don't care who you are, you
better take the process seriously because that is the key
part of your job as a quarterback. It's more than

(08:21):
just go out there and play football. You have to
prepare in a certain way that inspires your teammates to
do the same thing. You have to know everyone's assignment.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
You can't just.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Show up and play, although Brett fav tried to.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Do it and he was able to do it fairly. Well.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
You're not going to get drafted a size you can
be if the message in this day and age you're
sending in those meetings.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Is I really don't care about this.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
And I think some of the teams got the message
that Shadour Sanders was way too nonchalant and not serious
enough because that's how his dad was in nineteen eighty nine,
and his dad was a once in a lifetime talent.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
He could afford to be that way.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
Yeah, I completely agree with that, and I think we
can speculate how Sheduur will regret this someday. But you know,
he'll just say, I wish I would have been more prepared.
Uh what about Dion, because you mentioned the part about okay,
he'd maybe he didn't do his job in terms of
impressing upon his son. Hey, this is how vital these

(09:17):
interviews are going to be. You got to you gotta
be ready to hit this. But but we also had
the specter of Shaudur saying, uh, excuse me, Dion saying
a number of times during Super all week, I will
not let my son go to these these teams. He
didn't specifically say, but those were all in all likely
the teams that need uh a quarterback. I mean, it
wasn't it wasn't Andy Reid. It was sitting around that

(09:39):
he was talking about. So what do you think that
Dion has learned and what will Dion regret?

Speaker 3 (09:45):
In your mind, Well, the question becomes whether or not
he is able to acknowledge his mistake.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
It seems to me and I love Deon Sanders, and
I wish he would come to the NFL and be
a head coach because it would be a great story.
I mean, look at what Shauduur's experience this weekend. We
had one of our biggest weekends ever. My story from
Friday night about whether or not Trauduror should consider trying
to go back to college for a year, single highest
trafficked and viewed story in twenty three and a half

(10:11):
years of PFT. Wow, I think the thing that really
hurt beyond and I gave him the benefit of that.
I assumed he was playing five D chess here when
he was almost a Super Bowl week I asked inim
point black, under what circumstances would you go to.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
The NFL to be a head coach?

Speaker 4 (10:26):
And he said, I would only do it if I
could coach my son.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
The practical impact that any.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Coach that signs off on Trudeur Sanders is potentially signing
his pink slip next year or the year after, because
that's the only job that Dion's going to want to
take him when he gets bored with Colorado and he
wants to go be with his son again, that's the
job he's going to target. And I think that that
could have at some level, even if it was a subconscious.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Thing, it gets coaches to say, let's not even start
down this path.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
My job is hard enough to keep without knowing that
the dad of.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
One of my players wants my job, and that.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
May have just set the stage for what was to come.
You couple that with the perception slash reality that Shador
wasn't taking the situation seriously, and it all makes sense
in hindsight as we try to piece it all together
after the fact, it all makes sense.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Mike, before you go, Mike Florio with US Pro Footballtalk
dot Com, NFL and NBC brought to you by simply
Seattle dot Com. I know Roger Goodell came out and
said they want to shorten the draft up and he's
got some ideas. How do they do that without taking
time away between draft picks.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
Well, you have to take the time away. You have
to force the teams to make crafter decisions, especially on
Thursday Night a lot. I don't have a problem with
Thursday Night. They do have a backlog of picks, though,
so they like to draw it out, they like to
have the TV show. I just think by Saturday, it
just gets.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
To the point where I've had enough.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
I don't know how long you guys last during the draft.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
I can't take. And after Shadure Sanders was drafted, and
after we did all the aftermath of that in the press.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Conference and writing about the the very unenthused reaction by
guys like Brown's GM Andrew Berry.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Once all that settled, it's like, I'm done with this draft.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
I submit to you that we should not call the
last player picked mister irrelevant. We should call him doctor Kogorkian.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Wow, Mike, great stuff, awesome job. Love having you on.
We'll talk in a week. You're the best you guys see, Okay, Mike,
Mike Florio with us on the radio show. We're gonna break.
We got a lot more to get to. Man, there's
a lot more on the draft bone that we have
not even approached yet. With Hugh next on ninety three
to three KJRFM,
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