October 9, 2025 • 16 mins
Coach Holmgren joins the show to talk about the Bellichick situation, the Seahawks loss vs Tampa, the matchup with Jacksonville and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That's part of our non stop coverage of the NFL.
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is the star of the show, the man of the hour,
our friend Michael Coach, how are you.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
How's it going good?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I'm hanging in there, you know, I'm I'm sorry I
can't be there in person. But it's uh, yeah, it's
it's it's it's gonna be wild. Huh, it's gonna be wild.
It's gonna be wild.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Don't feel bad because Kathy gave us your credit card
and we've been running it up since we got here.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
By the way, cocktail that good.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
That makes me. That makes me feel better, Yes, it does.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
So thank you for that. By the way.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
But Mike Dick and I were talking last segment about
Bill Belichick and your favorite ESPN broadcaster pow Fine Bomb
was reporting it. During the bye week, Bill Belichick, for
Carolina took off and went on vacation with his twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Six year old girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Didn't go recruit, didn't go work behind the steams to
make the football team better, just took off and uh
and went on a.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Little soire with his galpal.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I mean, is that a signal to you that Bill
Belichick is just not invested in this Carolina thing at all?
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Well, it just doesn't sound him at all, you know,
and you know he's if anything else you know, whatever
you think about him, he's a hard working guy and
he has been that way's whole career, and so it is, Yeah,
it strikes me as odd because that's what you do
in college but that's what you do in college football
at this particular time. And no, I you know, I
(02:21):
don't know, you know, the whole thing is a little
bit wacky to me. I just you know, he's he's
he's so good. He's been so good for so long
that just step back, smell of roses and do something else.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
You know, did you have.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
A desire when you were the BYU quarterbacks coach to
be a head coach in college football or were you
always just like I want to be in the NFL period.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
No, you know, Dick, I I interviewed for the head
job at the University of Montana, to be honest, and
then I thought Marty Martin Wakeo had played for me
in high school, had been a big star there, and uh,
you know, he put my name in and I got
a call and and I went up there and I said,
and I thought, I thought that was mine, you know,
it was it was things were going good, but then
(03:11):
it wasn't. And they hired a guy named coach Reid,
and he was he became a legend there. He was
just unbelievably good. And and I came home and I
was kind of disappointed, you know, and then Bill Wall's
phoned and it just happened. But I know I was
looking to I was looking to move on, you get
a college job, and it didn't happen. But then the
forty nine ers happened.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Well, Mike, we haven't caught up since the loss of
the Buccaneers over the weekend. I mean, just a fireworks show.
No defense really at all played in that game by
by either team. And if the Seahawks win, all of
us were talking about, Hey, Sam Donald looks phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
He's number three in the NFL and.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Passer rating right now, God, the Hawks did the right thing,
and you said that a week ago that we can
now say they did the right thing moving on from
from Gino to Sam Donald. But a lot of people
want to use the injury excuse, and maybe it's valid
for the defense. A week ago, a ton of guys
out right, Tariq wooland Witherspoon, A bunch of guys are
still on the h did not participate list for practice
(04:07):
today at the vMac. How much should we allow ourselves
and how much will Mike McDonald allow himself?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
You think to use injuries to explain what happened a.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Week ago, Well, I'll use that because I've been there
and you know, you you it just happens and you
can't explain it other than to say that that the
guy we weren't ready to play with those particular guys,
and Tampa really had a good game, you know, Baker
Mayfield had a really good game, and so that can
that can happen in the NFL. You know you're going
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you got to be ready to play every week. And
if injuries they got hit by key people and key positions,
and that that played right into Tampa's hands. And so
Mike will never say that, he would never say that,
but down deep inside he knows injuries played a part
in that game. And it's not you know, they say
the next man up and all that stuff. That's all fine.
(04:57):
You know, they all want to play, they want to
do well. You want him to do well, but the
next man up is not the same as having your
starters and they're playing right.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Coach, the take of the whole show, we rarely agree
on anything on this show with me and Saftie and Jackson,
but we all were in agreement on Sam Donold that
A he was an upgrade on Gino Smith, and B
we would evaluate Sam for the long term at the
end of.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
The twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
Give him him seventeen games as a Seahawks quarterback and see,
have we already come to the conclusion after five games
that we've found our quarterback for the long term?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Well? I have and and but you know, everyone everyone's
entitled their own opinion and watching him play, but you know,
he's the real deal, and he's been he's been really
good for them, and so and he was the other night,
you know, the other day, and he you know, it
just it just unfortunate what happened at the end. But no,
(05:52):
I think that we've already answered that question, Dick. I
think in my own mind anyway, And I think he's
he's he's going to be answered for a while.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Well, the good news is the Hawks have a very
team friendly contract on him, right so if things kind
of go south or go sideways at any point in time,
they'll be able to get out of it. But this
Sunday in Jacksonville. I mean, man, all of a sudden, Mike,
you're facing one of the hottest teams in the NFL
and the Jaguars. You saw the game on Monday night
beating your old buddy Andy Reid. I don't know if
(06:20):
you saw the Trevor Lawrence rushing touchdown where.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
He falls down.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, I get stripped by a lignmhen he falls down
and turns that into a rushing touchdown. There's a video
of defensive tackle Chris Jones just standing there, you know,
not even making a move to go get him. What
was your take on that whole sequence? And were you
a little bit alarmed by the lack of fight and
the chiefs there a little bit?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Well, you know what, I give Trevor Lawrence credit and
the Jacksonville Jaguars credit there. They've been struggling for a
long time and now they seem to be pulling out
of it with a new coach and there it's just
it's going the way they think it should go. That's it.
Having been said, I think they still have ways to go. Try.
Lawrence had a good game. He's a good player, but
(07:03):
expectations for him have been very high from the beginning,
and now it appears as though it's the right right combination.
You know, Doug Peterson was a coach there. He's a
great coach, and he was a really good player for me,
and then I knew him very well and it didn't
work out for some reason. Do you think it would
because quarterback and coach the way it was set up,
that's the type of setup you want. But no, now
(07:26):
it's happening for them, and hey, listen, I think it's
going to be a barnburner. It's going to be a
tough game.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Well, the reason Jacksonville's winning is because of forcing turnovers.
So they have ten interceptions and four force fumbles in
five games. That is more turnovers force than they did
the entire season combined last year. When you go up
against a team like that, do you prepare some you know,
do you prepare specially for that element of the game,
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or do you just look and say, this is kind
of fluky that they're forcing this many turnovers in the
first five games.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
We're just going to coach it as we normally want.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
No, you know, do you actually you know you you
know this, you actually talk about it? I mean, you
have to talk about it, because that's to your point,
that's how they won football games, and they to win
to beat us, they have to do this, so we
can't let it happen. So you look at the plays,
you look at the turnovers they've created, how they've done it.
Are they punching the ball out? What are they doing
(08:21):
that's different, perhaps a little bit different than they've done
it in the past or other teams have done it.
And then then all of a sudden, then you make
the corrections, then you emphasize that, and then you move on.
Then you just got to play the game.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Mike, does this kind of feel like?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I don't know, this is going to be an open
ended question, and if Hugh Melanie were tuning in, he would.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Kill me for this.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
But does this feel like kind of a good time
to get Jacksonville.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
They're coming off the emotion of the Monday night win.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
There on a short week, you're pissed off after what
happened against Tampa. Mike McDonald's nine and one on the
road versus four and eight at home. This kind of
feels like a good spot for the Hawks this weekend?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Or a might.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
No, no, no, I think I think you can think
like that. No, it's it's uh uh, it's it's you know,
it's it's a good it's a good spot. Now. How
much you you bang on that in practice and in
meetings and so on, I'm not sure, but in your
own mind you're saying, Okay, yeah, this is a pretty
good spot for us now. But we got to play
and we we got to play up to our capabilities.
(09:22):
And you heard him talk, I mean he was he's
a defensive guy, Dave. And you've you've heard, you've been
you've interviewed him and talked to him, and he was
not a happy camper after last week's came and and
you kind of I kind of sensed that, and now
he was approaching things. And so they're gonna have a
tough week of practice if they get any of the guys.
The big thing was getting the guys back from injury.
(09:44):
It's hard when you get when you lose guys, particularly
guys that you are, your guys there. They're the guys
that set the tone for the entire game, like you know,
like their cornerback and and then and you know it's
it's it's hard, and but they got to do it again,
and perhaps well.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
We've met in the home road splits, and God, I
feel like this is just on repeat every single week.
We're asking you about this, because we asked you about
this going into the Tampa game, and now he's four
and eight at home. I mean, at what point does
this just Mike put yourself in his shoes?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
At what point does this just.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Become something that he just cannot get out of his
head that they just can't find.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
A way to win.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
He's lost sixty six percent of the games he's played
at Luminfield since he's been here, which is obviously unacceptable.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Yeah, and you know what, and David doesn't make any sense.
You know, guys, the people owners of coaches teams that
they want exactly what they see on to have at home.
They want that kind of atmosphere and then to have
that and not be able to take advantage of it,
you know, is startling. And you know it's a it
(10:53):
can wear on you now, I you know he is,
He's really an interesting young guy and I really think
the world him as a coach, and he'll he'll approach
this thing the right way. But it would keep me
up at night. It would know what is going on
and that it would it would be hard, coach.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
I was thinking about you watching that game with Trevor
Lawrence and watching him multiple times run out of time
on the play clock, Arle and Cohen not saving him,
by the way by taking time outs.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
He just had his arms crossed. And then Trevor.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Lawrence, I don't know if he saw this, he was
three yards past the line of scrimmage and threw a
forward pass. He had no idea where he would how frustrated, Like,
how would you handle that?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I have never seen a quarterback do that before.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Yeah, you know what, I didn't see that, But the
way you describe it, it's, you know, it's you would go,
what are you doing? You know, I've had that conversation.
Fortunately fortially, fortunately they didn't have me on that live
mic with Farv. You know in those days, right, oh,
you know, Matt, You know you have quarterbacks that have
(11:58):
a real good feel for that. Then you have guys
that it's hard for some whatever reason. But that's an
you gotta be more you play in that position, You
have to be more aware, you have.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
To be Yeah, I don't know, man, The more guys,
the more I think about it, I really like.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
The Hawks this Sunday's Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Maybe I'm just a sucker and I'm gonna regret this
on Monday, but I really like him a lot. And Mike,
I'm trying to figure out what's going on down in
your old neck of the woods in San Francisco with
the forty nine ers, because they're dropping like flies and
they just keep finding ways to win.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
They're four and one, They're going to Tampa.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
It looks like mac Jones may start again because brock
Perty is banged up. But I mean mac Jones is
playing really well for like a tenth of what brock
Perty's making. Is there any part of your old pal
John Lynch you think, who is regretting giving brock Purty
that contract after watching what mac Jones has been doing.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
No, you know what, I don't think he regrets it,
but you know he's taught about it. Absolutely, he's taught
about it because you have a go ahead coach who
really understands quarterbacks, I think, and and really knows how
to you know, how to get through them, get the
best out of them. And then and they're getting that
out of and I think mac Jones, I think is
a good player. I think he's a good player, was
(13:13):
in a tough situation, not a very good offensive situation
where he was before, and so now he's playing and
they're winning. And but that's that's just really good coaching
in my opinion, because they are hurt, Dave there, there's
nothing that looks good to me about their team right
now physically. And no, but he and he did, you know,
he knows he did the right thing with perty and
(13:34):
he wants pretty back, but that they were also he's
saying he's lucky starts. He's got the other guy.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Coach.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
I don't know if you saw what happened in the
Cardinal game with their running back dropping the ball at
the one foot line before he went into the end zone.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
I did, Yes, did you.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
See did you see Jonathan Gannon's interaction with him where
he kind of popped him in the chest a couple
of times and he's been fined one hundred thousand dollars
for it.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Have you seen that?
Speaker 4 (13:59):
No? I did not see that trouble for that.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
He dad, he came out, he came up to him
on the sidelines, hot he kind of popped him with
two hands in the you know, in the in the
shoulder pads, talked to him, and then as he was
walking away, he kind of open handed, just in frustration,
just slapped them across the chest.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
So I guess inappropriate, in or appropriate.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
I mean, we're all kind of from a different era
of football where coaches used to put their hands on
players an awful lot and didn't get and didn't get
any repercussions from it.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Yeah, yeah, no, I'm surprised the league did that. You know.
Fortunately they didn't do that to me, and they could
have done it that a couple of times, you know,
because but it was you know, a year year frustrated.
He didn't blast him, you know, with a punch or anything,
but you can you wake him up, you know. I
slapped farm on the helmet. I slapped we had a receiver,
(14:53):
we had a guy and did a penalty. I grabbed
him by the face match and shook his head, you know,
and so that would have been that would have been
that would have.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Been a fine. You can't do that now? Fine today? No,
I can't do that. I mean, is the league going
maybe a little bit, you know what.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I want to send you the video and have you
watch it and maybe you can get your thoughts off
the air. But you think coaches now are just kind
of trained in twenty twenty five, that you just you
can't put your hands on players the way that you
did back in the nineties.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Well, sure, I think that's the way it is, you know,
I you know, I'd listen. I taught. I taught high school.
I was a teacher in high school for a long time,
and the rules changed and what you could, what you
could say or do to your students, it really changed.
And and thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
By the way, in your classroom, pardon me, didn't you
have a bat for this room?
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yeah? They called it the torture chamber. I don't know
why that was in the school newspaper. Wow.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
So it wasn't just a paddle like to smack somebody's butt.
It wasn't actually a bat.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
No, it was a cutoff bat. It wasn't a full bat.
It was a cutoff on an old wooden desk. And
I was able to get their attention by hitting that
thing and just jump. And they jumped out of their skin,
you know, just when they were getting a little they
were getting a little wild and wooly.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
You know, the torture chamber.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You know if you had one of those now in
your Kirkland condo, that'd be a much different context.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
By the way, if you had a torture chaper.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
It would, it would. I don't know, I don't know.
Hope Kathy's not listening to this show today, you know, God.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Thank God. Yeah, she has no idea that Mike actually
has another room.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
In the house. By the way, has no idea. Okay, Mike,
great stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Heel up, and we will see you, hopefully in person
next week.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
All right, all right, but take care, guys.
That's part of our non stop coverage of the NFL.
Your home for the twelfth Man proudly presents former Seahawks
head coach and Super Bowl champion Mike Hombgrin. Brought to
you by Toyota of Kirkland. The championship team at Toyota
of Kirkland does all the little things that exceed your expectations,
and that's what makes Toyota of Kirkland so special. And
(00:21):
by R and R Foundation specialist serving Western Washington for
over twenty years. Now from the five twenty Bar and
Grail in Bellevue, Mike Holmgrin with Softie and dear all right.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We'll be back at the five twenty Bar and Grill
next Thursday. Stop I'm by there today and watch the Eagles, Giants,
cracking Ducks. Great place to watch the Mariners and Tigers
and the Huskies and Rutgers tomorrow night five twenty in
Old Bellevue.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I run off of Main Street.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Feedback there next week because today we are across the
street from Climate Pledge Arena at Tom's Watch Bar and
joining us right now in the radio program. Here he
is the star of the show, the man of the hour,
our friend Michael Coach, how are you.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
How's it going good?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I'm hanging in there, you know, I'm I'm sorry I
can't be there in person. But it's uh, yeah, it's
it's it's it's gonna be wild. Huh, it's gonna be wild.
It's gonna be wild.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Don't feel bad because Kathy gave us your credit card
and we've been running it up since we got here.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
By the way, cocktail that good.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
That makes me. That makes me feel better, Yes, it does.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
So thank you for that. By the way.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
But Mike Dick and I were talking last segment about
Bill Belichick and your favorite ESPN broadcaster pow Fine Bomb
was reporting it. During the bye week, Bill Belichick, for
Carolina took off and went on vacation with his twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Six year old girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Didn't go recruit, didn't go work behind the steams to
make the football team better, just took off and uh
and went on a.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Little soire with his galpal.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I mean, is that a signal to you that Bill
Belichick is just not invested in this Carolina thing at all?
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Well, it just doesn't sound him at all, you know,
and you know he's if anything else you know, whatever
you think about him, he's a hard working guy and
he has been that way's whole career, and so it is, Yeah,
it strikes me as odd because that's what you do
in college but that's what you do in college football
at this particular time. And no, I you know, I
(02:21):
don't know, you know, the whole thing is a little
bit wacky to me. I just you know, he's he's
he's so good. He's been so good for so long
that just step back, smell of roses and do something else.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
You know, did you have.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
A desire when you were the BYU quarterbacks coach to
be a head coach in college football or were you
always just like I want to be in the NFL period.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
No, you know, Dick, I I interviewed for the head
job at the University of Montana, to be honest, and
then I thought Marty Martin Wakeo had played for me
in high school, had been a big star there, and uh,
you know, he put my name in and I got
a call and and I went up there and I said,
and I thought, I thought that was mine, you know,
it was it was things were going good, but then
(03:11):
it wasn't. And they hired a guy named coach Reid,
and he was he became a legend there. He was
just unbelievably good. And and I came home and I
was kind of disappointed, you know, and then Bill Wall's
phoned and it just happened. But I know I was
looking to I was looking to move on, you get
a college job, and it didn't happen. But then the
forty nine ers happened.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Well, Mike, we haven't caught up since the loss of
the Buccaneers over the weekend. I mean, just a fireworks show.
No defense really at all played in that game by
by either team. And if the Seahawks win, all of
us were talking about, Hey, Sam Donald looks phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
He's number three in the NFL and.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Passer rating right now, God, the Hawks did the right thing,
and you said that a week ago that we can
now say they did the right thing moving on from
from Gino to Sam Donald. But a lot of people
want to use the injury excuse, and maybe it's valid
for the defense. A week ago, a ton of guys
out right, Tariq wooland Witherspoon, A bunch of guys are
still on the h did not participate list for practice
(04:07):
today at the vMac. How much should we allow ourselves
and how much will Mike McDonald allow himself?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
You think to use injuries to explain what happened a.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Week ago, Well, I'll use that because I've been there
and you know, you you it just happens and you
can't explain it other than to say that that the
guy we weren't ready to play with those particular guys,
and Tampa really had a good game, you know, Baker
Mayfield had a really good game, and so that can
that can happen in the NFL. You know you're going
(04:36):
you got to be ready to play every week. And
if injuries they got hit by key people and key positions,
and that that played right into Tampa's hands. And so
Mike will never say that, he would never say that,
but down deep inside he knows injuries played a part
in that game. And it's not you know, they say
the next man up and all that stuff. That's all fine.
(04:57):
You know, they all want to play, they want to
do well. You want him to do well, but the
next man up is not the same as having your
starters and they're playing right.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Coach, the take of the whole show, we rarely agree
on anything on this show with me and Saftie and Jackson,
but we all were in agreement on Sam Donold that
A he was an upgrade on Gino Smith, and B
we would evaluate Sam for the long term at the
end of.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
The twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
Give him him seventeen games as a Seahawks quarterback and see,
have we already come to the conclusion after five games
that we've found our quarterback for the long term?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Well? I have and and but you know, everyone everyone's
entitled their own opinion and watching him play, but you know,
he's the real deal, and he's been he's been really
good for them, and so and he was the other night,
you know, the other day, and he you know, it
just it just unfortunate what happened at the end. But no,
(05:52):
I think that we've already answered that question, Dick. I
think in my own mind anyway, And I think he's
he's he's going to be answered for a while.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Well, the good news is the Hawks have a very
team friendly contract on him, right so if things kind
of go south or go sideways at any point in time,
they'll be able to get out of it. But this
Sunday in Jacksonville. I mean, man, all of a sudden, Mike,
you're facing one of the hottest teams in the NFL
and the Jaguars. You saw the game on Monday night
beating your old buddy Andy Reid. I don't know if
(06:20):
you saw the Trevor Lawrence rushing touchdown where.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
He falls down.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, I get stripped by a lignmhen he falls down
and turns that into a rushing touchdown. There's a video
of defensive tackle Chris Jones just standing there, you know,
not even making a move to go get him. What
was your take on that whole sequence? And were you
a little bit alarmed by the lack of fight and
the chiefs there a little bit?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Well, you know what, I give Trevor Lawrence credit and
the Jacksonville Jaguars credit there. They've been struggling for a
long time and now they seem to be pulling out
of it with a new coach and there it's just
it's going the way they think it should go. That's it.
Having been said, I think they still have ways to go. Try.
Lawrence had a good game. He's a good player, but
(07:03):
expectations for him have been very high from the beginning,
and now it appears as though it's the right right combination.
You know, Doug Peterson was a coach there. He's a
great coach, and he was a really good player for me,
and then I knew him very well and it didn't
work out for some reason. Do you think it would
because quarterback and coach the way it was set up,
that's the type of setup you want. But no, now
(07:26):
it's happening for them, and hey, listen, I think it's
going to be a barnburner. It's going to be a
tough game.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Well, the reason Jacksonville's winning is because of forcing turnovers.
So they have ten interceptions and four force fumbles in
five games. That is more turnovers force than they did
the entire season combined last year. When you go up
against a team like that, do you prepare some you know,
do you prepare specially for that element of the game,
(07:52):
or do you just look and say, this is kind
of fluky that they're forcing this many turnovers in the
first five games.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
We're just going to coach it as we normally want.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
No, you know, do you actually you know you you
know this, you actually talk about it? I mean, you
have to talk about it, because that's to your point,
that's how they won football games, and they to win
to beat us, they have to do this, so we
can't let it happen. So you look at the plays,
you look at the turnovers they've created, how they've done it.
Are they punching the ball out? What are they doing
(08:21):
that's different, perhaps a little bit different than they've done
it in the past or other teams have done it.
And then then all of a sudden, then you make
the corrections, then you emphasize that, and then you move on.
Then you just got to play the game.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Mike, does this kind of feel like?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I don't know, this is going to be an open
ended question, and if Hugh Melanie were tuning in, he would.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Kill me for this.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
But does this feel like kind of a good time
to get Jacksonville.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
They're coming off the emotion of the Monday night win.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
There on a short week, you're pissed off after what
happened against Tampa. Mike McDonald's nine and one on the
road versus four and eight at home. This kind of
feels like a good spot for the Hawks this weekend?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Or a might.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
No, no, no, I think I think you can think
like that. No, it's it's uh uh, it's it's you know,
it's it's a good it's a good spot. Now. How
much you you bang on that in practice and in
meetings and so on, I'm not sure, but in your
own mind you're saying, Okay, yeah, this is a pretty
good spot for us now. But we got to play
and we we got to play up to our capabilities.
(09:22):
And you heard him talk, I mean he was he's
a defensive guy, Dave. And you've you've heard, you've been
you've interviewed him and talked to him, and he was
not a happy camper after last week's came and and
you kind of I kind of sensed that, and now
he was approaching things. And so they're gonna have a
tough week of practice if they get any of the guys.
The big thing was getting the guys back from injury.
(09:44):
It's hard when you get when you lose guys, particularly
guys that you are, your guys there. They're the guys
that set the tone for the entire game, like you know,
like their cornerback and and then and you know it's
it's it's hard, and but they got to do it again,
and perhaps well.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
We've met in the home road splits, and God, I
feel like this is just on repeat every single week.
We're asking you about this, because we asked you about
this going into the Tampa game, and now he's four
and eight at home. I mean, at what point does
this just Mike put yourself in his shoes?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
At what point does this just.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Become something that he just cannot get out of his
head that they just can't find.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
A way to win.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
He's lost sixty six percent of the games he's played
at Luminfield since he's been here, which is obviously unacceptable.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Yeah, and you know what, and David doesn't make any sense.
You know, guys, the people owners of coaches teams that
they want exactly what they see on to have at home.
They want that kind of atmosphere and then to have
that and not be able to take advantage of it,
you know, is startling. And you know it's a it
(10:53):
can wear on you now, I you know he is,
He's really an interesting young guy and I really think
the world him as a coach, and he'll he'll approach
this thing the right way. But it would keep me
up at night. It would know what is going on
and that it would it would be hard, coach.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
I was thinking about you watching that game with Trevor
Lawrence and watching him multiple times run out of time
on the play clock, Arle and Cohen not saving him,
by the way by taking time outs.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
He just had his arms crossed. And then Trevor.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Lawrence, I don't know if he saw this, he was
three yards past the line of scrimmage and threw a
forward pass. He had no idea where he would how frustrated, Like,
how would you handle that?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I have never seen a quarterback do that before.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Yeah, you know what, I didn't see that, But the
way you describe it, it's, you know, it's you would go,
what are you doing? You know, I've had that conversation.
Fortunately fortially, fortunately they didn't have me on that live
mic with Farv. You know in those days, right, oh,
you know, Matt, You know you have quarterbacks that have
(11:58):
a real good feel for that. Then you have guys
that it's hard for some whatever reason. But that's an
you gotta be more you play in that position, You
have to be more aware, you have.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
To be Yeah, I don't know, man, The more guys,
the more I think about it, I really like.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
The Hawks this Sunday's Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Maybe I'm just a sucker and I'm gonna regret this
on Monday, but I really like him a lot. And Mike,
I'm trying to figure out what's going on down in
your old neck of the woods in San Francisco with
the forty nine ers, because they're dropping like flies and
they just keep finding ways to win.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
They're four and one, They're going to Tampa.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
It looks like mac Jones may start again because brock
Perty is banged up. But I mean mac Jones is
playing really well for like a tenth of what brock
Perty's making. Is there any part of your old pal
John Lynch you think, who is regretting giving brock Purty
that contract after watching what mac Jones has been doing.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
No, you know what, I don't think he regrets it,
but you know he's taught about it. Absolutely, he's taught
about it because you have a go ahead coach who
really understands quarterbacks, I think, and and really knows how
to you know, how to get through them, get the
best out of them. And then and they're getting that
out of and I think mac Jones, I think is
a good player. I think he's a good player, was
(13:13):
in a tough situation, not a very good offensive situation
where he was before, and so now he's playing and
they're winning. And but that's that's just really good coaching
in my opinion, because they are hurt, Dave there, there's
nothing that looks good to me about their team right
now physically. And no, but he and he did, you know,
he knows he did the right thing with perty and
(13:34):
he wants pretty back, but that they were also he's
saying he's lucky starts. He's got the other guy.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Coach.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
I don't know if you saw what happened in the
Cardinal game with their running back dropping the ball at
the one foot line before he went into the end zone.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
I did, Yes, did you.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
See did you see Jonathan Gannon's interaction with him where
he kind of popped him in the chest a couple
of times and he's been fined one hundred thousand dollars
for it.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Have you seen that?
Speaker 4 (13:59):
No? I did not see that trouble for that.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
He dad, he came out, he came up to him
on the sidelines, hot he kind of popped him with
two hands in the you know, in the in the
shoulder pads, talked to him, and then as he was
walking away, he kind of open handed, just in frustration,
just slapped them across the chest.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
So I guess inappropriate, in or appropriate.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
I mean, we're all kind of from a different era
of football where coaches used to put their hands on
players an awful lot and didn't get and didn't get
any repercussions from it.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Yeah, yeah, no, I'm surprised the league did that. You know.
Fortunately they didn't do that to me, and they could
have done it that a couple of times, you know,
because but it was you know, a year year frustrated.
He didn't blast him, you know, with a punch or anything,
but you can you wake him up, you know. I
slapped farm on the helmet. I slapped we had a receiver,
(14:53):
we had a guy and did a penalty. I grabbed
him by the face match and shook his head, you know,
and so that would have been that would have been
that would have.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Been a fine. You can't do that now? Fine today? No,
I can't do that. I mean, is the league going
maybe a little bit, you know what.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I want to send you the video and have you
watch it and maybe you can get your thoughts off
the air. But you think coaches now are just kind
of trained in twenty twenty five, that you just you
can't put your hands on players the way that you
did back in the nineties.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Well, sure, I think that's the way it is, you know,
I you know, I'd listen. I taught. I taught high school.
I was a teacher in high school for a long time,
and the rules changed and what you could, what you
could say or do to your students, it really changed.
And and thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
By the way, in your classroom, pardon me, didn't you
have a bat for this room?
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yeah? They called it the torture chamber. I don't know
why that was in the school newspaper. Wow.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
So it wasn't just a paddle like to smack somebody's butt.
It wasn't actually a bat.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
No, it was a cutoff bat. It wasn't a full bat.
It was a cutoff on an old wooden desk. And
I was able to get their attention by hitting that
thing and just jump. And they jumped out of their skin,
you know, just when they were getting a little they
were getting a little wild and wooly.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
You know, the torture chamber.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You know if you had one of those now in
your Kirkland condo, that'd be a much different context.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
By the way, if you had a torture chaper.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
It would, it would. I don't know, I don't know.
Hope Kathy's not listening to this show today, you know, God.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Thank God. Yeah, she has no idea that Mike actually
has another room.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
In the house. By the way, has no idea. Okay, Mike,
great stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Heel up, and we will see you, hopefully in person
next week.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
All right, all right, but take care, guys.
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