December 11, 2025 • 32 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain sit down with Mike Holmgren to discuss the Michigan coaching situation, 44-year-old Philip Rivers joining the Colts, the Seahawks second half surge in Atlanta, Super Bowl hopes, Cam Newton, and analytics.
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my friends are truly so. Mike Congrin's with us, and man,
there's a lot to talk about, a lot to talk
about before we even get to the Seahawk game last
week and the game with the Colts coming up on Sunday.
We got to get your thoughts as a former college
quarterback and a guy that coached in college. Man, the
Sharon Moore story coming out of Michigan fired yesterday for
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violating his moral turpitude clause and his contract by having
an alleged affair with a thirty two year old staff member.
What you making the news coming out of ann Arbory yesterday?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Man, Yeah, you know, for me, the first thing that
struck me it was very so how sad it was? Right,
here's a guy, the head coach of one of the
premiere programs in the country. How many how many coaches
in the country are growing up dream of having that
position a lot, and so to kick it away with
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something like that, it's sad to me. That's basically what
I can say.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
What do you think the level of interest would be
amongst NFL head coaches for the Michigan jobs. Certainly, it
wouldn't happen for very many colleges, but Michigan might be
one on that list head coaches didn't Yes, I coaches
the NFL to go to go to.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Michigan, I don't know. You know what, It's interesting You
get guys that have come into the NFL who are
great college coaches and it didn't work quite so well
when back. That's the that's the biggest that that might happen.
I don't think if anyone falls into that category. But
once you get into the NFL, at least I felt
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that way. You know, you're you're you kind of reached
the pinnacle of your profession, of the of the sport,
and uh to leave something, to just leave something and
go back, I don't. I don't see it happening. I
think now's listen, it's Michigan.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
So and there's a lot of enough franchises out there
that are just not that prestigious.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
No, No, there are, and there are coaches that are
kind of struggling. Really good coaches probably, but it's not
working because of the owner, because of your general manager.
It's not working. So you say, okay, because you know,
Tom Osborne told me this once, the coach in Nebraska,
he goes my job at Nebraska. I'm and you said
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it in a kind of a quiet It was a
little bit some humility. He goes, but he goes. Honestly,
in the state of Nebraska, I'm the most important person,
not the president of the university, not the governor. Me. Right,
So there are Michigan. I think it's not quite that dramatic,
but that's a pretty good job.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I just get the feeling that the most that the
least attractive job in the NFL will always be more
attractive to the most attractive job in college football, and
maybe even now more than ever because of how much
work these college coaches are putting in.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I mean, it's crazy, like.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Everything you do in the NFL and then more in
college football with three times the roster and dealing with
boosters and parents and agents and all that kind.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Of players leaving.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, players leaving and there's no and there's no you know, loyalty,
and there's no connection. Everybody's on a one year deal.
So I think there are general maybe exceptions to the rule,
especially when you talk about individuals maybe somebody who went
to Michigan for example, or went to Alabama or whatever.
But I I just get that feeling that you said
that that's the pinnacle, and it's very rare that guys
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go backwards if they do have a head coaching job
in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
The only thing now that is different, Yeah, I think
is the money used to be different. College coaches didn't
make as much money as pro coaches. You got a
raise going to you, not to mention the level you got,
you made you were able to get more money now now,
goodness me, it's it's even. And to your point, Dave,
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there's so much stuff involved in the in the college program,
recruiting and stuff. There's no vacation time. You're going all
the time.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Seven Yeah, I totally agree with Dave that it's a
that it's a harder job.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
However, I agree with you two coach when you talk
about some of the not unwinnable situations in the NFL.
Let's say you get hired is Carolina Panthers, whatever, Right,
Dave canalis and he looks at his GM and he
looks at his ownership and he's like, there is no
way I can really win here. With this above me,
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wouldn't that be a situation where I could go to
Michigan and be the boss of everything.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yes, I think you're exactly right, and that's that's my point.
The other thing that would factor in if there was
a connection between whoever was hiring at the school, like
you said or day that if he had a connection
with Michigan somewhere down the road and went there. I
think I think the coach at Washington had a connection
Dinny coach, Dinny coach at Michigan.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
He's on the least two years. He's there for two years.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah, So listen the way the college game's going right now,
and I listen to Reck a little bit on the
way over. Nothing would really surprise me. But I just
think once you get into the NFL, you work like
cret I said this to you before you get a
coach in a meeting, an assistant coach and he's shaking
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your hand and listening to you, but he's also looking
over your shoulder at my next job, right, my next job. Right.
You do not reach your potential when you do that.
If you can get to a place and say I'm
gonna just knock it out of the Park here, then
things happen. Really that's been in my experience.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I mean, you guys might be right. I I just
still think the NFL is waking for every coach. I mean,
if it's an established guy, maybe, but for I think
I think the Tennessee Titans job for most coaches going
to be more attractive than the Michigan job in the NFL,
just because it's the freaking NFL, right, And it's just
it's just it's a different animal.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
But who knows.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I mean, maybe Michigan will be able to grab a
sitting head coach. Dick and I were talking yes about
that there might be some guys in the NFL that
are maybe frustrated, maybe they're on the way out. Maybe
they feel like they're not gonna get fired anyway, or
maybe they feel like.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
They don't have that great relationship with the owner.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
But did you ever have a moral turpitude clause in
your contract when you go in the NFL? We know what, Bey,
You couldn't even have a diet coked BYU.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
No, you could. You could And Lavelle said, if you
want to have a beer, prove it at home. But
who was one of the great men I've ever met
in my life. But you know what, I think there
are probably something in that I didn't really find read
the fine print in the contract most of the time.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
That's why you have an agent, right.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
But you kind of know, you kind of know what's
in there, you know, particularly the stuff about being fired
for cause.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Well, that's the thing I mean when you say you
know what's in there? How about this? You know what's
in there? Not to be an idiot? Don't be an idiot? Right,
And when you do what Sharon Moore did, you're being
an idiot.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Well, Mike Congrid's with us, all right, So fill the
Rivers forty four years old?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Can I have it a little bit of a debate?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
And he might be right that the only way Philip
Rivers does this is if he's guaranteed he can start
this weekend or eventually start because he's signing on for
the rest of the year.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I assume maybe it's not week one, maybe it's down
the road.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Do you think that he made any kind of not demands,
but like made it known that hey, if I if
I'm doing this, I'm coming to play.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
That conversation took place. There is no question about it. Yeah,
because he has a relationship with the head coach who
phoned him, right, Okay, And I was thinking about this
that I think it's I I have trouble believing this happened,
first of all, But he is he is one of
the few guys I've ever met, and I know him
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a little bit, and I've had dealings with Philip that
could maybe pull this off, maybe pull us off. When
I'm I'd be scared to death that you get hurt.
And five years he hasn't been hit, right, Yeah, all
of a sudden, and you can say we talked about
it earlier. You know, run the ball a lot, but
he's going to have to pass the ball if he plays,
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and then you want to get him get it out
of your hand. He's not going to play. That's not
how he played in his mind. Yeah. But then he's
a competitor, he's an athlete. He's going to play the game.
He's going to play the position to win, to complete
the ball, to do whatever which puts himtuff. He's going
to be vulnerable.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
You know, what percentage of the playbook can he pick up?
As smart as he is, but still in three days,
what percentage of the playbook, and then what percentage of
the playbook, especially on dropbacks, would you even want to.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Use with a forty four year old quarterback so he
doesn't get killed.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Yeah, that's well. I think understanding the playbook is not
an issue. I don't think that's an issue because he
played for eighteen years in the last how many years
he was with the Colts. Different coach, yeah, different coach
and different system. Yeah, but he but he he know
that's not a Your second point is the problem. You know,
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what how do they call plays? What do they do
to keep him from getting mulled? Keep him from getting hit?
You know, he could say, because listen against the Seahawks,
if he plays against the Seahawks, that one of their
strengths is rushing the passer and getting to him, and
in the quarterback, that's one of their strengths. Now, I
have known nothing about Indianapolis's offensive line, but like you said,
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Jonathan Taylor, I would imagine the running backs will carry
the ball thirty five times in that game.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Right, right, So when it comes to stich In making
the decision on who plays, I'm imagining that Carl Ersay,
who's the new owner, of the Colts after Jim passed away.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I mean, I don't know her at all.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Maybe she's the kind of person that would sign Philip
Rivers and tell Stichen you're starting him.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I mean that could happen potentially with an owner. But
if she goes to Stichen and says it's your call
or bringing them on, just provide depth. And if you
want to start him and start him, what would he
have to say see from Philip Rivers to actually start
him over a guy who has already been on the
roster the entire.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Year, Well, he would have to see how he practiced,
you know. I think in fact, they brought him in
for the workout before they did anything, before they signed
him up to a contract. So you see him in
the workout, you know, and there's you know, you're not
getting hit or anything. But yes, he can still throw,
he's still accurate, he can still move, he can do
those things. I know, I know he's smart. So they
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signed him to contract. Now he practices a couple and
then you know, if all of a sudden at practice
he can't do anything, he falls apart. Okay, but if
they signed him day to your point, that that discussion
had or maybe maybe it was yours, Dick. That discussion
I think took place prior to him coming coming out
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to UH to practice with that team. You do this,
you know I could. That's an logical question from the quarterback. Okay,
if I do this, I'm not coming out to sit
on the bench right and be a good guy to
your young guy. Right. You know, I'm forty four years old.
I want to You know, you could hear it almost
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in your in the talking about his kids being excited
and all of this sudden. I know him a little bit.
He's he's getting jacked up about this.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
By the way, just for the record, the PFF has
the Colts with the number four graded run blocking team
in the NFL and number two great pass blocking, so
they think the Colts offensive line is pretty good.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
On the flip side, you're Mike McDonald's, how are you
scheming this game knowing you've got a forty four year
old quarterback with not limited mobility, zero mobility, and probably
limp very limited armstring.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
So what are you doing well? Right away? Number one,
he's stopping the run. Forget about who plays quarterback for them?
For right now? It's not Daniel Jones that whoever, whoever
else shows up forget about that for just a second.
We have to stop the run because logically that's what
they have to do to win this football game. And
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so that's where he starts. The rest of the stuff.
I think he just plays his defense with his guys
and doesn't think too much about the quarterback because whoever
plays the young guy or Philip or Rippon's son, and
he on the team. Yeah, you know, I mean, where's he?
I mean, he's been on the practice squad. Why aren't
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they talking about him? If you're just gonna plug somebody in,
that's why. Gosh, I'll be interested to see if he plays.
I really like him. He's a good guy, and it's
my dealings with him. I hope he doesn't get knocked out.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, well, I hope he does get knocked out. I
always hope that. Back to the opposing quarterback. I don't
want to see a guy get killed, obviously or get
seriously hurt. But you know, a little you know, bruised
elbow or whatever, Bruce, do you go, that's fine by me.
Knock his ass out of the game and let's see
the backup I mean, Dick Baird would always tell me,
Ohm to the bargup. Every week he would say, knock
the guy out. See we can see the back of
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the quarterback play. What happened to football back in the
day when it was okay to say things like that?
Oh boy, remember the jacked up segment ESPN used to
do where they show guys getting popped on TV al data.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
I want the quarterback hit to go down, and I
wanted to go down hard.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I mean, come on, you're telling me the back of
the day. You never told your defense I back in
the eighties.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I'm waiting to go kill that guy, knock him out
of the game.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
God, I refuse to answer that question.
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That's very nice.
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Hey, before we dive.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Into the Hawks a little bit, I know we spent
a large majority of the first segment talking about the
Michigan thing, right, the Notre Dame situations.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah, okay, let me ask you about that.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
So they get screwed, they think out of a college
football playoff spot and they say, well, you know what,
we're just gonna go home. We're not gonna play in
a ball game. No ball Yeah what'd you make of
that decision?
Speaker 4 (17:28):
By the life, I didn't like it at all. Of course.
Now now listen, I have to well, I went to
USC Yes, Notre Dame, you know it was. I have
no strong feelings for that school. Okay, but you know,
I don't. And you know the how they lost out
on the playoffs. There's a lot of arguments on both sides.
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I think of that. All I would say is when
I was coaching in college at by U, as an example,
we went to a bowl game every year every year,
went to haul the Bowl three years in a row
in San Diego. It wasn't a major bowl, but it
was a big ball. And then we went to the
Citrus Bowl. And that week for the players, the families,
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it was, it was fun. It was it was a
you had, you had a tough season, you finished and
this was kind of a bonus, a reward, right. Yeah.
And and so I thought Notre Dame saying they weren't
weren't going to go, or any team that says they're
not going to go, it's a different game. Now, apparently
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it's a different world college football.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Now.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
I mentioned that, I thought, I mean USC holds all
the cards in that rivalry because Notre Dame needs USC
a lot more than USC needs Notre Dame. Because USC
plays Michigan or Ohio State, benn State, Washington, Oregon, all
these teams they don't need Notre Dame.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
So why do you think they should keep playing that game.
USC could just pull the plug. Notre Dame would be up.
You know, what's creek without a paddle? They didn't have USC.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah, but you know, I'm old fashioned. The uh the
rivalries now and I know, I know it's doesn't happen
like it used to, but even Washington, Washington State, Oregon,
Oregon State, those those things have just disintegrated. But at
one time, how excited did you guys get for those games?
And you know the Notre Dame the USC game in
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the Coliseum, And I'll admit to something here. I could
sell tickets, my tickets for a lot more money in
that game because the coliseum had one hundred thousand people
there for that game because of the rivalry. And I
think that's one thing now that college football I wish
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they could have kept and it will keep some wild
state Michigan, but that figures because of the conference. But
teams that aren't necessarily in the conferences together.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah, Well, Mike Cobrid's with US big game next Thursday
at Lumenfield against the ram I mean, you can't look
past the Colts. I get it right, It's any given Sunday,
but it would be a tragedy. If a Seahawks lost
this game to the Colts on Sunday, they're thirteen and
a half point favorites. Is this the second time in
three weeks they've been almost a two touchdown favorite.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
It doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I mean, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
How Vegas just thinks these guys are going to kill people.
They keep covering, and they keep covering. As Dick said,
it's unbelievable. But Sam Darnald the first half against Atlanta
nine to fifteen, sixty seven yards, a pick, and then
something happened in the second half. Was it a halftime speech?
Was it somebody throwing him against the wall? Was in
him having a cocktail at halftime? What happened to Sam
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Darnald man because he was a totally different quarterback in
the second half.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Yeah, it was. It was halftime adjustments one. But I
think this single biggest thing was the kickoff return. Yeah,
that changed everything. It changed. You know, they might have
gone on and had the same type of second half
that they did, but that thing, all of a sudden,
you know, the game's tight, games tight, their defense Atlanta,
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the defense is putting pressure on and playing very well,
and all of a sudden that kickoff returns boom and
then actually the drive that ended that allowed them to
kick a field goal end of the first half. That
showed a little bit of spark as well. But you know,
I think Atlanta came out and played pretty good defense,
really good defense early.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
You know, how would you change things up if at all,
play calling wise, because we've seen now quite a bit
of evidence that when Sam gets into a cluttered pocket,
he's not great. That's when he's at his weakest. So
would you change things up at all?
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yeah, I'd get him off the spot a lot. And
I think when he does, they do play action pass
and they get their running game going just a little
bit and then play action pass quick throws into you know,
it helps him, It helps him, and then all of
a sudden, what it does to the defense too. They
can't just say, Okay, that's where he's going to be,
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that's where he's going to be, this is how I'm
going to rush to get to that spot because they're
not sure now, and so that type of play calling
I think helps him.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Well, Mike homrans with us and Mike I just kind
of wonder, I said on the air yesterday, I think
that we should be talking about this team winning the
whole thing in twenty twenty five. I mean, Vegas has
him from number two to number three right in the odds.
Right now, Rams are generally considered the team to beat
right now in the NFL. But the parody in this
league is banana. So if I tell you right now
that Seahawk fans should be talking about winning another Lombardy
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right now, not next year, not in two years, but
this year. Am I being a homer or is there
something to that?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
You think?
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Well, I think you're being a little bit of a homer.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
But I'm here.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
But that makes two of them, you know what, That
makes two of us though, And maybe I don't know
how Dick feels. He always he usually argues with me.
But you know, I think they can do it the
way the quarterback and I'm in Sam Darnold's corner, the
way that he's playing, but how the defense is just
cranking it up right, and they're getting a little healthier
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loves back. You know, they're doing some stuff there. I think, No, Dave,
I think they're there. I think they got a real
chance to do this.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
I want to ask you the same question that Chuck
asked Kurt Warner. Today, Kurt Warner was on the Morning Show.
He asked about JSN.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
He asked, Kurt, which of your great wide receivers that
you played with Larry Fitzgerald and the Rams guys, does
JSN remind you the most of? So what of your
guys from Seattle, Green Bay, San Francisco?
Speaker 6 (23:26):
Does JSN remind you of anybody you.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Coached size wise? He reminds me of in Green Bay,
we had a couple of guys Antonio Freeman and Robert
Brooks sure that that were really good, I mean really good,
really smart, and but look at i JSN. He's he's
right now. He's a little bit in the league of
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his own. From my opinion. Yeah, you know, you have
you know I had Jerry Rice in San Francisco and
you have John. We had great receivers. I've had a
lot of them, but this young and you know, it
just seems he's so smooth and he and he's not huge,
he's not a big guy, but he's fast and his
separation away from man coverage. You shouldn't play man coverage
(24:14):
against him because you'll lose good cornerbacks, good ones lose,
so No, it's a but you know, I look back
in all those guys they were they were pretty good.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
So what could derail this then? Right?
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I mean, what what what's the what's the chink in
the armor in your mind? For this football team?
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Potentially the only thing that potentially would be pressure on
the quarterback in Dick's point, all of a sudden he
gets in the pocket and the pocket gets kind of sticky. Uh.
That's that's a that's that can't happen too often. Injury.
If they don't get hurt, if they can keep guys playing,
(25:00):
that's a big, big plus for any team.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
And knock on wood, they've been pretty healthy so far.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Right, A couple of Nixon bruises here and there, But
let's do this, come back and wrap it up. We
got a game tonight. Cam Newton's running his mouth again.
I want you to chime in on him as well.
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Speaker 3 (25:45):
We've talked a lot about the Cam excuse me, the
Philip Rivers story. Mike, did you hear Cam Newton's take
on the Philip Rivers story that came out?
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I did hear a little bit of it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
It was a slap of the face that the Colts
didn't call me before they called Phil Rivers. Why should
they have called Cam Newton over Philip Rivers?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Well, I think Cam Newton, I'll tell you what, Cam
Newton is probably more physical. I think they're I don't know,
are they the same age?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
No, he's thirty eight, Rivers is forty four.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Yeah, so Cam Newton probably thinks that they're gonna call him.
They should have called me. You see him on TV.
The only thing is the outfits and the hair and everything.
He's gone a little sideways. I remember I did a
Super Bowl for Westwood and Cam was the quarterback and
we had a great talk, and I remember him coming
(26:39):
out of college. We had a great talk. But now
I could see where he'd say that. But you know,
look at any comments but along those lines by other
players against Philip Rivers or what happened. It just a
lot of things. Calm down then then the uh, the
(27:01):
Notre Dame ad. Calm down. Just don't say it. Make
the phone call, talk to the guy, right, don't come
out and say it.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Well, I mean the Colts called him because you played
for the Colts.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
That's right, And he knew the coach, he had a
relationship with the coach. That makes sense.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
And the coach the Colts didn't call Cam Newton because
they saw him throw a football.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Ten years That's why they didn't call him.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
All right, coach, This is gonna be my weekly, our
weekly analytics nerds conversation. Okay, right, we have a question
every week with the analytics nerds of the weeks.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
I've got some bad news for you because this time
it happened to your guy, Andy Reid.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Oh in that Houston game. Did you watch any of
that Houston game?
Speaker 4 (27:39):
But I know where you're gonna go.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Ten to ten game? Yeah, two left in the game.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Yes, and your guy on his own thirty one yard
lines goes for it on fourth down instead of punting
the ball in a defensive game.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Have you called Andy about that yet? Will you call
Andy about that yet?
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Because I know coach Holmgren would not have been by
him to do that will cost him the game.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I will talk to Andy after the end of the
season about that now. But you know, the analytic thing,
I rest my case. I get a lot of abuse
when I talk about the analytics. Those guys are those
big thick glasses in the room upstairs, you know, handing
his sheets of paper with numbers on him. Do this
(28:22):
when this happens, do this. They have never stepped on
the field one time in their life. But do this
and I'll go back to my computer.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
I didn't think they didn't infect Andy though.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
But the no, I think I don't know that. But
you know what, there was another stat that they he's
done that, yeah, thirty seven times or something this year,
and he's they converted. They converted it like ninety percent
of the time. So that was in his mind. But
on that at that time, in that position on the field.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
No, in that type of game, No, the defensiveness.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So what I mean, if we're doing this, let's talk
about other coaches. Thing.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I want to talk about Pete Carroll because Pete Carroll
had a game last weekend. Who were the Raiders playing
last weekend? Was it the Denver And they're down by
ten points? And it's the last play of the game. Yeah,
and Denver is giving seven and a half, so they've
got the game covered.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Pete Carroll on the final play of the game.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Decides to kick a field goal, I know, to go
down seven and kisses everybody off. Who had the Broncos
minus the seven and a half? And look, it's not
Pete Carroll's job to satisfy the betting public.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I understand that.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
But if it's the last play of the game and
you're down ten points, are you kicking a field goal
to make it more respectable? You're throwing a Hell Mary,
you taking an e?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (29:41):
No, it's just I don't know where they were on
the field, but yeah, I might well, I don't know.
You know, I wouldn't take it with the quarterback at
risk of getting hurt. Right, when was it playing? The
game is over? The game is over.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
The ball was on the twenty eight yard line.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah, the game is over, tak Ane and for next week. Yeah,
you know when I read that, I read that article
and I'm not I don't look at the points and
all that. I don't study that. But then I looked
out and I saw all the point totals and I said, boy,
there are a lot of vetters that are just going
(30:15):
crazy right now because of what happened. Coach.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
You know, one of my biggest Diana Hill takes when
it comes to the NFL is don't pay mediocre to
good quarterbacks elite money. Right, and you take a look
at the eight biggest cap hits this year, two are
going to go to the playoffs. Tua, no Kyler, no Cousins,
no Watson, no Russell, no Dac No. You got Purty
and Lawrence going. Do you think it will be a
(30:39):
cautionary tale? Do you think GMS will look at that
now a little more because we've had so much evidence
of non Mahomes Allen type quarterbacks that get paid that
money and just don't produce.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
They'll think about it, just like they'll have that list.
They will have that list. But then you know, the
the problem or the the what pushes. The decision is
if you have a team, a good football team, but
all you need is a quarterback, that's the one that
will get you the super Bowl, you know. And then
if you're drafting the teams that are bad, well no,
(31:11):
because the early contract isn't a bad one. That's not
a bad one. But all of a sudden you go
to the next one. You gotta make if you're gonna
pay him, if you're going to pay those guys, you
have to say he's the man, he's the one that
can get us there. And sometimes you have to make
a hard decision. You got to make a tough decision,
(31:32):
say he's not the go now, I'll pay you. I'll
tell you what. John Kidnap, you know, we wanted to
pay him to keep him there, and then his agent
came in he said, no, we want all this.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, didn't work. Didn't work.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Well, we gotta make a hard decision now and say goodbye.
I'd love to keep you on the air, but we're
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Speaker 4 (31:51):
You just got back.
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there's a lot to talk about, a lot to talk
about before we even get to the Seahawk game last
week and the game with the Colts coming up on Sunday.
We got to get your thoughts as a former college
quarterback and a guy that coached in college. Man, the
Sharon Moore story coming out of Michigan fired yesterday for
(01:20):
violating his moral turpitude clause and his contract by having
an alleged affair with a thirty two year old staff member.
What you making the news coming out of ann Arbory yesterday?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Man, Yeah, you know, for me, the first thing that
struck me it was very so how sad it was? Right,
here's a guy, the head coach of one of the
premiere programs in the country. How many how many coaches
in the country are growing up dream of having that
position a lot, and so to kick it away with
(01:50):
something like that, it's sad to me. That's basically what
I can say.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
What do you think the level of interest would be
amongst NFL head coaches for the Michigan jobs. Certainly, it
wouldn't happen for very many colleges, but Michigan might be
one on that list head coaches didn't Yes, I coaches
the NFL to go to go to.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Michigan, I don't know. You know what, It's interesting You
get guys that have come into the NFL who are
great college coaches and it didn't work quite so well
when back. That's the that's the biggest that that might happen.
I don't think if anyone falls into that category. But
once you get into the NFL, at least I felt
(02:33):
that way. You know, you're you're you kind of reached
the pinnacle of your profession, of the of the sport,
and uh to leave something, to just leave something and
go back, I don't. I don't see it happening. I
think now's listen, it's Michigan.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
So and there's a lot of enough franchises out there
that are just not that prestigious.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
No, No, there are, and there are coaches that are
kind of struggling. Really good coaches probably, but it's not
working because of the owner, because of your general manager.
It's not working. So you say, okay, because you know,
Tom Osborne told me this once, the coach in Nebraska,
he goes my job at Nebraska. I'm and you said
(03:20):
it in a kind of a quiet It was a
little bit some humility. He goes, but he goes. Honestly,
in the state of Nebraska, I'm the most important person,
not the president of the university, not the governor. Me. Right,
So there are Michigan. I think it's not quite that dramatic,
but that's a pretty good job.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I just get the feeling that the most that the
least attractive job in the NFL will always be more
attractive to the most attractive job in college football, and
maybe even now more than ever because of how much
work these college coaches are putting in.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I mean, it's crazy, like.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Everything you do in the NFL and then more in
college football with three times the roster and dealing with
boosters and parents and agents and all that kind.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Of players leaving.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, players leaving and there's no and there's no you know, loyalty,
and there's no connection. Everybody's on a one year deal.
So I think there are general maybe exceptions to the rule,
especially when you talk about individuals maybe somebody who went
to Michigan for example, or went to Alabama or whatever.
But I I just get that feeling that you said
that that's the pinnacle, and it's very rare that guys
(04:27):
go backwards if they do have a head coaching job
in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
The only thing now that is different, Yeah, I think
is the money used to be different. College coaches didn't
make as much money as pro coaches. You got a
raise going to you, not to mention the level you got,
you made you were able to get more money now now,
goodness me, it's it's even. And to your point, Dave,
(04:54):
there's so much stuff involved in the in the college program,
recruiting and stuff. There's no vacation time. You're going all
the time.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Seven Yeah, I totally agree with Dave that it's a
that it's a harder job.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
However, I agree with you two coach when you talk
about some of the not unwinnable situations in the NFL.
Let's say you get hired is Carolina Panthers, whatever, Right,
Dave canalis and he looks at his GM and he
looks at his ownership and he's like, there is no
way I can really win here. With this above me,
(05:30):
wouldn't that be a situation where I could go to
Michigan and be the boss of everything.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yes, I think you're exactly right, and that's that's my point.
The other thing that would factor in if there was
a connection between whoever was hiring at the school, like
you said or day that if he had a connection
with Michigan somewhere down the road and went there. I
think I think the coach at Washington had a connection
Dinny coach, Dinny coach at Michigan.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
He's on the least two years. He's there for two years.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah, So listen the way the college game's going right now,
and I listen to Reck a little bit on the
way over. Nothing would really surprise me. But I just
think once you get into the NFL, you work like
cret I said this to you before you get a
coach in a meeting, an assistant coach and he's shaking
(06:21):
your hand and listening to you, but he's also looking
over your shoulder at my next job, right, my next job. Right.
You do not reach your potential when you do that.
If you can get to a place and say I'm
gonna just knock it out of the Park here, then
things happen. Really that's been in my experience.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I mean, you guys might be right. I I just
still think the NFL is waking for every coach. I mean,
if it's an established guy, maybe, but for I think
I think the Tennessee Titans job for most coaches going
to be more attractive than the Michigan job in the NFL,
just because it's the freaking NFL, right, And it's just
it's just it's a different animal.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
But who knows.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I mean, maybe Michigan will be able to grab a
sitting head coach. Dick and I were talking yes about
that there might be some guys in the NFL that
are maybe frustrated, maybe they're on the way out. Maybe
they feel like they're not gonna get fired anyway, or
maybe they feel like.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
They don't have that great relationship with the owner.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
But did you ever have a moral turpitude clause in
your contract when you go in the NFL? We know what, Bey,
You couldn't even have a diet coked BYU.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
No, you could. You could And Lavelle said, if you
want to have a beer, prove it at home. But
who was one of the great men I've ever met
in my life. But you know what, I think there
are probably something in that I didn't really find read
the fine print in the contract most of the time.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
That's why you have an agent, right.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
But you kind of know, you kind of know what's
in there, you know, particularly the stuff about being fired
for cause.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Well, that's the thing I mean when you say you
know what's in there? How about this? You know what's
in there? Not to be an idiot? Don't be an idiot? Right,
And when you do what Sharon Moore did, you're being
an idiot.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Well, Mike Congrid's with us, all right, So fill the
Rivers forty four years old?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Can I have it a little bit of a debate?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
And he might be right that the only way Philip
Rivers does this is if he's guaranteed he can start
this weekend or eventually start because he's signing on for
the rest of the year.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I assume maybe it's not week one, maybe it's down
the road.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Do you think that he made any kind of not demands,
but like made it known that hey, if I if
I'm doing this, I'm coming to play.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
That conversation took place. There is no question about it. Yeah,
because he has a relationship with the head coach who
phoned him, right, Okay, And I was thinking about this
that I think it's I I have trouble believing this happened,
first of all, But he is he is one of
the few guys I've ever met, and I know him
(08:47):
a little bit, and I've had dealings with Philip that
could maybe pull this off, maybe pull us off. When
I'm I'd be scared to death that you get hurt.
And five years he hasn't been hit, right, Yeah, all
of a sudden, and you can say we talked about
it earlier. You know, run the ball a lot, but
he's going to have to pass the ball if he plays,
(09:08):
and then you want to get him get it out
of your hand. He's not going to play. That's not
how he played in his mind. Yeah. But then he's
a competitor, he's an athlete. He's going to play the game.
He's going to play the position to win, to complete
the ball, to do whatever which puts himtuff. He's going
to be vulnerable.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
You know, what percentage of the playbook can he pick up?
As smart as he is, but still in three days,
what percentage of the playbook, and then what percentage of
the playbook, especially on dropbacks, would you even want to.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Use with a forty four year old quarterback so he
doesn't get killed.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Yeah, that's well. I think understanding the playbook is not
an issue. I don't think that's an issue because he
played for eighteen years in the last how many years
he was with the Colts. Different coach, yeah, different coach
and different system. Yeah, but he but he he know
that's not a Your second point is the problem. You know,
(10:04):
what how do they call plays? What do they do
to keep him from getting mulled? Keep him from getting hit?
You know, he could say, because listen against the Seahawks,
if he plays against the Seahawks, that one of their
strengths is rushing the passer and getting to him, and
in the quarterback, that's one of their strengths. Now, I
have known nothing about Indianapolis's offensive line, but like you said,
(10:27):
Jonathan Taylor, I would imagine the running backs will carry
the ball thirty five times in that game.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Right, right, So when it comes to stich In making
the decision on who plays, I'm imagining that Carl Ersay,
who's the new owner, of the Colts after Jim passed away.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I mean, I don't know her at all.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Maybe she's the kind of person that would sign Philip
Rivers and tell Stichen you're starting him.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I mean that could happen potentially with an owner. But
if she goes to Stichen and says it's your call
or bringing them on, just provide depth. And if you
want to start him and start him, what would he
have to say see from Philip Rivers to actually start
him over a guy who has already been on the
roster the entire.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Year, Well, he would have to see how he practiced,
you know. I think in fact, they brought him in
for the workout before they did anything, before they signed
him up to a contract. So you see him in
the workout, you know, and there's you know, you're not
getting hit or anything. But yes, he can still throw,
he's still accurate, he can still move, he can do
those things. I know, I know he's smart. So they
(11:28):
signed him to contract. Now he practices a couple and
then you know, if all of a sudden at practice
he can't do anything, he falls apart. Okay, but if
they signed him day to your point, that that discussion
had or maybe maybe it was yours, Dick. That discussion
I think took place prior to him coming coming out
(11:49):
to UH to practice with that team. You do this,
you know I could. That's an logical question from the quarterback. Okay,
if I do this, I'm not coming out to sit
on the bench right and be a good guy to
your young guy. Right. You know, I'm forty four years old.
I want to You know, you could hear it almost
(12:11):
in your in the talking about his kids being excited
and all of this sudden. I know him a little bit.
He's he's getting jacked up about this.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
By the way, just for the record, the PFF has
the Colts with the number four graded run blocking team
in the NFL and number two great pass blocking, so
they think the Colts offensive line is pretty good.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
On the flip side, you're Mike McDonald's, how are you
scheming this game knowing you've got a forty four year
old quarterback with not limited mobility, zero mobility, and probably
limp very limited armstring.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
So what are you doing well? Right away? Number one,
he's stopping the run. Forget about who plays quarterback for them?
For right now? It's not Daniel Jones that whoever, whoever
else shows up forget about that for just a second.
We have to stop the run because logically that's what
they have to do to win this football game. And
(13:08):
so that's where he starts. The rest of the stuff.
I think he just plays his defense with his guys
and doesn't think too much about the quarterback because whoever
plays the young guy or Philip or Rippon's son, and
he on the team. Yeah, you know, I mean, where's he?
I mean, he's been on the practice squad. Why aren't
(13:29):
they talking about him? If you're just gonna plug somebody in,
that's why. Gosh, I'll be interested to see if he plays.
I really like him. He's a good guy, and it's
my dealings with him. I hope he doesn't get knocked out.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, well, I hope he does get knocked out. I
always hope that. Back to the opposing quarterback. I don't
want to see a guy get killed, obviously or get
seriously hurt. But you know, a little you know, bruised
elbow or whatever, Bruce, do you go, that's fine by me.
Knock his ass out of the game and let's see
the backup I mean, Dick Baird would always tell me,
Ohm to the bargup. Every week he would say, knock
the guy out. See we can see the back of
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the quarterback play. What happened to football back in the
day when it was okay to say things like that?
Oh boy, remember the jacked up segment ESPN used to
do where they show guys getting popped on TV al data.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
I want the quarterback hit to go down, and I
wanted to go down hard.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I mean, come on, you're telling me the back of
the day. You never told your defense I back in
the eighties.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I'm waiting to go kill that guy, knock him out
of the game.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
God, I refuse to answer that question.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
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Speaker 7 (15:51):
From the R and R Foundation Specialists Broadcast Studio. Now
back to Softie and Dick on your home for the
Huskies Cracking and the twelve man Sports Radio ninety three
point three kJ r FM.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
All right, I am in the process right now. Take
it behind the scenes here a little bit. We're at
the five for twenty Bar and Grill in Bellevue. By
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Dick Fane right now. Yes of sending Mike Holdgrin, who
is literally sitting right next to me, a text to
his phone which he can reference later with his schedule
for the next three weeks.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
All right, thank you, We're gonna go over it right now.
Okay's Thursday. We're gonna be across the street from Luman
for the Seahawk game. Okay, with the Rams.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
So we'll have you on the phone at four o'clock
next Thursday, Christmas Day, you're off. Ooh, New Year's Day.
The following Thursday, you're off. Who January eighth, right back
here at the five.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
That works because I know that, Yeah, that works because
I'm I'm leaving. That's great, thank you.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I just want to make sure it works for your
schedule their coach.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
That's very nice.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Hey, before we dive.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Into the Hawks a little bit, I know we spent
a large majority of the first segment talking about the
Michigan thing, right, the Notre Dame situations.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah, okay, let me ask you about that.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
So they get screwed, they think out of a college
football playoff spot and they say, well, you know what,
we're just gonna go home. We're not gonna play in
a ball game. No ball Yeah what'd you make of
that decision?
Speaker 4 (17:28):
By the life, I didn't like it at all. Of course.
Now now listen, I have to well, I went to
USC Yes, Notre Dame, you know it was. I have
no strong feelings for that school. Okay, but you know,
I don't. And you know the how they lost out
on the playoffs. There's a lot of arguments on both sides.
(17:49):
I think of that. All I would say is when
I was coaching in college at by U, as an example,
we went to a bowl game every year every year,
went to haul the Bowl three years in a row
in San Diego. It wasn't a major bowl, but it
was a big ball. And then we went to the
Citrus Bowl. And that week for the players, the families,
(18:12):
it was, it was fun. It was it was a
you had, you had a tough season, you finished and
this was kind of a bonus, a reward, right. Yeah.
And and so I thought Notre Dame saying they weren't
weren't going to go, or any team that says they're
not going to go, it's a different game. Now, apparently
(18:33):
it's a different world college football.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Now.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
I mentioned that, I thought, I mean USC holds all
the cards in that rivalry because Notre Dame needs USC
a lot more than USC needs Notre Dame. Because USC
plays Michigan or Ohio State, benn State, Washington, Oregon, all
these teams they don't need Notre Dame.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
So why do you think they should keep playing that game.
USC could just pull the plug. Notre Dame would be up.
You know, what's creek without a paddle? They didn't have USC.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah, but you know, I'm old fashioned. The uh the
rivalries now and I know, I know it's doesn't happen
like it used to, but even Washington, Washington State, Oregon,
Oregon State, those those things have just disintegrated. But at
one time, how excited did you guys get for those games?
And you know the Notre Dame the USC game in
(19:21):
the Coliseum, And I'll admit to something here. I could
sell tickets, my tickets for a lot more money in
that game because the coliseum had one hundred thousand people
there for that game because of the rivalry. And I
think that's one thing now that college football I wish
(19:43):
they could have kept and it will keep some wild
state Michigan, but that figures because of the conference. But
teams that aren't necessarily in the conferences together.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah, Well, Mike Cobrid's with US big game next Thursday
at Lumenfield against the ram I mean, you can't look
past the Colts. I get it right, It's any given Sunday,
but it would be a tragedy. If a Seahawks lost
this game to the Colts on Sunday, they're thirteen and
a half point favorites. Is this the second time in
three weeks they've been almost a two touchdown favorite.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
It doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I mean, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
How Vegas just thinks these guys are going to kill people.
They keep covering, and they keep covering. As Dick said,
it's unbelievable. But Sam Darnald the first half against Atlanta
nine to fifteen, sixty seven yards, a pick, and then
something happened in the second half. Was it a halftime speech?
Was it somebody throwing him against the wall? Was in
him having a cocktail at halftime? What happened to Sam
(20:38):
Darnald man because he was a totally different quarterback in
the second half.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Yeah, it was. It was halftime adjustments one. But I
think this single biggest thing was the kickoff return. Yeah,
that changed everything. It changed. You know, they might have
gone on and had the same type of second half
that they did, but that thing, all of a sudden,
you know, the game's tight, games tight, their defense Atlanta,
(21:01):
the defense is putting pressure on and playing very well,
and all of a sudden that kickoff returns boom and
then actually the drive that ended that allowed them to
kick a field goal end of the first half. That
showed a little bit of spark as well. But you know,
I think Atlanta came out and played pretty good defense,
really good defense early.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
You know, how would you change things up if at all,
play calling wise, because we've seen now quite a bit
of evidence that when Sam gets into a cluttered pocket,
he's not great. That's when he's at his weakest. So
would you change things up at all?
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yeah, I'd get him off the spot a lot. And
I think when he does, they do play action pass
and they get their running game going just a little
bit and then play action pass quick throws into you know,
it helps him, It helps him, and then all of
a sudden, what it does to the defense too. They
can't just say, Okay, that's where he's going to be,
(21:58):
that's where he's going to be, this is how I'm
going to rush to get to that spot because they're
not sure now, and so that type of play calling
I think helps him.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Well, Mike homrans with us and Mike I just kind
of wonder, I said on the air yesterday, I think
that we should be talking about this team winning the
whole thing in twenty twenty five. I mean, Vegas has
him from number two to number three right in the odds.
Right now, Rams are generally considered the team to beat
right now in the NFL. But the parody in this
league is banana. So if I tell you right now
that Seahawk fans should be talking about winning another Lombardy
(22:30):
right now, not next year, not in two years, but
this year. Am I being a homer or is there
something to that?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
You think?
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Well, I think you're being a little bit of a homer.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
But I'm here.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
But that makes two of them, you know what, That
makes two of us though, And maybe I don't know
how Dick feels. He always he usually argues with me.
But you know, I think they can do it the
way the quarterback and I'm in Sam Darnold's corner, the
way that he's playing, but how the defense is just
cranking it up right, and they're getting a little healthier
(23:00):
loves back. You know, they're doing some stuff there. I think, No, Dave,
I think they're there. I think they got a real
chance to do this.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
I want to ask you the same question that Chuck
asked Kurt Warner. Today, Kurt Warner was on the Morning Show.
He asked about JSN.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
He asked, Kurt, which of your great wide receivers that
you played with Larry Fitzgerald and the Rams guys, does
JSN remind you the most of? So what of your
guys from Seattle, Green Bay, San Francisco?
Speaker 6 (23:26):
Does JSN remind you of anybody you.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Coached size wise? He reminds me of in Green Bay,
we had a couple of guys Antonio Freeman and Robert
Brooks sure that that were really good, I mean really good,
really smart, and but look at i JSN. He's he's
right now. He's a little bit in the league of
(23:49):
his own. From my opinion. Yeah, you know, you have
you know I had Jerry Rice in San Francisco and
you have John. We had great receivers. I've had a
lot of them, but this young and you know, it
just seems he's so smooth and he and he's not huge,
he's not a big guy, but he's fast and his
separation away from man coverage. You shouldn't play man coverage
(24:14):
against him because you'll lose good cornerbacks, good ones lose,
so No, it's a but you know, I look back
in all those guys they were they were pretty good.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
So what could derail this then? Right?
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I mean, what what what's the what's the chink in
the armor in your mind? For this football team?
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Potentially the only thing that potentially would be pressure on
the quarterback in Dick's point, all of a sudden he
gets in the pocket and the pocket gets kind of sticky. Uh.
That's that's a that's that can't happen too often. Injury.
If they don't get hurt, if they can keep guys playing,
(25:00):
that's a big, big plus for any team.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
And knock on wood, they've been pretty healthy so far.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Right, A couple of Nixon bruises here and there, But
let's do this, come back and wrap it up. We
got a game tonight. Cam Newton's running his mouth again.
I want you to chime in on him as well.
Next on ninety three three KJRFM from the.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
R and R Foundation Specialist Broadcast Studio. Now back to
Softie and Dick on your home for the Huskies, Kraken
and the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three point three
kjr FM.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
All right back here at the five twenty bar and
grill in Bellvue.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
We got Buccaneers.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
We got Falcons coming up five o'clock five fifteen kickoff
as a matter of fact, from Raymond James Stadium with
a pirate ship in Tampa Bay, Florida.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Right here on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
We've talked a lot about the Cam excuse me, the
Philip Rivers story. Mike, did you hear Cam Newton's take
on the Philip Rivers story that came out?
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I did hear a little bit of it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
It was a slap of the face that the Colts
didn't call me before they called Phil Rivers. Why should
they have called Cam Newton over Philip Rivers?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Well, I think Cam Newton, I'll tell you what, Cam
Newton is probably more physical. I think they're I don't know,
are they the same age?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
No, he's thirty eight, Rivers is forty four.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Yeah, so Cam Newton probably thinks that they're gonna call him.
They should have called me. You see him on TV.
The only thing is the outfits and the hair and everything.
He's gone a little sideways. I remember I did a
Super Bowl for Westwood and Cam was the quarterback and
we had a great talk, and I remember him coming
(26:39):
out of college. We had a great talk. But now
I could see where he'd say that. But you know,
look at any comments but along those lines by other
players against Philip Rivers or what happened. It just a
lot of things. Calm down then then the uh, the
(27:01):
Notre Dame ad. Calm down. Just don't say it. Make
the phone call, talk to the guy, right, don't come
out and say it.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Well, I mean the Colts called him because you played
for the Colts.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
That's right, And he knew the coach, he had a
relationship with the coach. That makes sense.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
And the coach the Colts didn't call Cam Newton because
they saw him throw a football.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Ten years That's why they didn't call him.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
All right, coach, This is gonna be my weekly, our
weekly analytics nerds conversation. Okay, right, we have a question
every week with the analytics nerds of the weeks.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
I've got some bad news for you because this time
it happened to your guy, Andy Reid.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Oh in that Houston game. Did you watch any of
that Houston game?
Speaker 4 (27:39):
But I know where you're gonna go.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Ten to ten game? Yeah, two left in the game.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Yes, and your guy on his own thirty one yard
lines goes for it on fourth down instead of punting
the ball in a defensive game.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Have you called Andy about that yet? Will you call
Andy about that yet?
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Because I know coach Holmgren would not have been by
him to do that will cost him the game.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I will talk to Andy after the end of the
season about that now. But you know, the analytic thing,
I rest my case. I get a lot of abuse
when I talk about the analytics. Those guys are those
big thick glasses in the room upstairs, you know, handing
his sheets of paper with numbers on him. Do this
(28:22):
when this happens, do this. They have never stepped on
the field one time in their life. But do this
and I'll go back to my computer.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
I didn't think they didn't infect Andy though.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
But the no, I think I don't know that. But
you know what, there was another stat that they he's
done that, yeah, thirty seven times or something this year,
and he's they converted. They converted it like ninety percent
of the time. So that was in his mind. But
on that at that time, in that position on the field.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
No, in that type of game, No, the defensiveness.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So what I mean, if we're doing this, let's talk
about other coaches. Thing.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I want to talk about Pete Carroll because Pete Carroll
had a game last weekend. Who were the Raiders playing
last weekend? Was it the Denver And they're down by
ten points? And it's the last play of the game. Yeah,
and Denver is giving seven and a half, so they've
got the game covered.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Pete Carroll on the final play of the game.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Decides to kick a field goal, I know, to go
down seven and kisses everybody off. Who had the Broncos
minus the seven and a half? And look, it's not
Pete Carroll's job to satisfy the betting public.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I understand that.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
But if it's the last play of the game and
you're down ten points, are you kicking a field goal
to make it more respectable? You're throwing a Hell Mary,
you taking an e?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (29:41):
No, it's just I don't know where they were on
the field, but yeah, I might well, I don't know.
You know, I wouldn't take it with the quarterback at
risk of getting hurt. Right, when was it playing? The
game is over? The game is over.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
The ball was on the twenty eight yard line.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah, the game is over, tak Ane and for next week. Yeah,
you know when I read that, I read that article
and I'm not I don't look at the points and
all that. I don't study that. But then I looked
out and I saw all the point totals and I said, boy,
there are a lot of vetters that are just going
(30:15):
crazy right now because of what happened. Coach.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
You know, one of my biggest Diana Hill takes when
it comes to the NFL is don't pay mediocre to
good quarterbacks elite money. Right, and you take a look
at the eight biggest cap hits this year, two are
going to go to the playoffs. Tua, no Kyler, no Cousins,
no Watson, no Russell, no Dac No. You got Purty
and Lawrence going. Do you think it will be a
(30:39):
cautionary tale? Do you think GMS will look at that
now a little more because we've had so much evidence
of non Mahomes Allen type quarterbacks that get paid that
money and just don't produce.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
They'll think about it, just like they'll have that list.
They will have that list. But then you know, the
the problem or the the what pushes. The decision is
if you have a team, a good football team, but
all you need is a quarterback, that's the one that
will get you the super Bowl, you know. And then
if you're drafting the teams that are bad, well no,
(31:11):
because the early contract isn't a bad one. That's not
a bad one. But all of a sudden you go
to the next one. You gotta make if you're gonna
pay him, if you're going to pay those guys, you
have to say he's the man, he's the one that
can get us there. And sometimes you have to make
a hard decision. You got to make a tough decision,
(31:32):
say he's not the go now, I'll pay you. I'll
tell you what. John Kidnap, you know, we wanted to
pay him to keep him there, and then his agent
came in he said, no, we want all this.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, didn't work. Didn't work.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Well, we gotta make a hard decision now and say goodbye.
I'd love to keep you on the air, but we're
up against the clock. Break, we gotta go.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
You just got back.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I know I'll see in a few weeks. Hey, I
enjoy it. Mike Polman with us for the five points
we got Tampa Bay. We got Atlanta coming next. On
ninety three three kJ RFM.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Bye.
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