May 2, 2025 • 18 mins
ESPN’s Mina Kimes joins Dave Softy Mahler to talk about the Mariners sitting in first place right now, the Seahawks draft including Grey Zabel and Jalen Milroe’s potential, the fall of Shedeur Sanders and attention on him, plus Bill Belichick’s girlfriend situation.
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This is our weekly visit with ESPN's Mina Kimes, brought
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
All right, boys and girls, we are back here at
you dub for Dogs after Dark. The annual Spring Game
Coming Up broadcast starts today at six o'clock. Kickoff around
six point thirty ish with Tony Cam myself walk on
the sidelines of roaming the sidelines. But I know our
next guest is fired up for Husky football. She's fired
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the Kraken h our friend Mena Times joining us on
the radio show Here on a Friday night, Mina how
are you.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I mean, the Mariners got me in a good mood lately.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
I don't even know what to do with my hands.
I watching them. I'm just riding the way.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
But you know, you know, thirty plus years of Mariners
fandom has taught moverly.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Last twenty has taught me just you know, don't get
your hopes of too much.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, well, let's you know what, let's just start there
for a second. Because you got a baseball team that
is on pace mina to finish what would have been
good enough for third in runs in Major League Baseball
a year ago. Julio hasn't even gotten the engine going yet.
You got a bunch of guys ro Bless, Bliss, Gilbert
Kirby that are all banged up. I mean, are you
(01:44):
starting to kind of believe in this team and buying
what you're seeing from these guys?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Well, you know, a lot of it, I would say,
And this isn't just the you know, hardened Mariners fandom me,
but this is me trying to be neutral. Some of
it probably isn't quite sustainable. I'm looking at that walk
rate and thinking that I gotta keep that up. But
the fact that the offense is what it is without
Julio really heating up. And then as you alluded to
(02:11):
the fact that they're being carried by the offense when
we know that the pitching staff can be better, even
if there's some offensive regression, I do think it's going
to be countered by the pitching and perhaps Julio.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Well many times is with us on the radio show,
and I want to get your take on you Dub
and Jedfish and the dogs here in just a second.
We got the spring game again coming up tonight at
six thirty. But give me a thought on first of all,
what the Seahawks did over the weekend, Grey Zabel going
at number eighteen, moving up to get Nicki min Warri
Jalen Milroe is now a Seahawk eleven players overall, What
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was your take on the draft class for the Hawks.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
It's exciting.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I think that's my first take, is like, there's some
really exciting players and it's a nice blend of I
wouldn't say safe picks, but you know, Zabel in the
first round might have been one of the most smocks
like chalk draft picks of all time, right Like, And
it's funny because now we're going on you know, a
few years where John Schneider has been pretty damn normal.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
In the first round, Cross was.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Right, you know what I mean, You get like, ain't
no running backs?
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Like it's Cross. I think was very like, Okay, yeah,
that was pretty chalky.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Witherspoon is a player who you know, maybe it's high
for the corner, but we.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Knew Detroit wanted him and it was a position of need.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
And now Gray's Abel was like the most obvious glaring
need and.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
The right player. So you feel good about.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
That and the floor that he brings, and I do
believe he has a high floor, but then you also
get excited about the upside that they got elsewhere. Nick
Amin worry is, you know, one of the most athletic
safety prospects of all time, bit Raw.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
We'll see how that shakes out, but the ceiling is high.
And I think you feel the same way about mill Row.
He is a developmental quarterback.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
He is a lottery pick. But if that lottery pick hits,
then you've really hit the jackpot.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Well, let's go back to Zabel for a second.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
You mentioned the high floor for a guy that played
though at the FCS level and We've talked a bit
on this show about the competition he faced there. What
does the ceiling honestly look like you think for Gray's Abel.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Well, I'll tell you this, and I'm very honest with you.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I don't really trust my ability to evaluate offensive line prospects,
so I ask people who are.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Smarter than me.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
You know, it's a hard position, right to sketch, So
I ask people who played the position always and whether
it's like my friend, like Michael Junior and Mitchell Schre
just ask around, and universally people were very high on him.
And I think you know, he he talked about the
level competition, no doubt, but I think people really impressed
by him and the Spring and.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Senior Bowl and that kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
And I love the fact that he's played so many
positions because you know, while I play guard for Seattle,
we have seen certainly over the last few years, Hole
seemed to spring up on the Seahawks offensive line all
the time. So the fact that he, you know, can
actually kick out the tackle you play center, I think
it's a Seahawks fan, you gotta be excited that.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I mean, you mentioned Milroe there, and I'm just curious
kind of how you see him being used from the
get go, you know, down the road. I'm sure he
would like to be the air apparent to Sam Donald.
The Seahawks might want him to be the air apparent
to Sam Donald. But Week one, for example, in September,
how do we see Jalen Milroe fitting in?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Uh? I think I.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Saw coach McDonald say, you know, we're not gonna use
them like Taysom Hill, and like, look, I'll believe that
one I see it. He is too good of an
athlete to k not get on the field in packages.
And when I say that, I think he'd be using packages.
I personally don't believe that stunts his development. I don't
think it says anything about who he is as a
long term quarterback. I just think he's a damn good
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football player and he's an athlete, and you want him
on the field because he is one of the honestly
one of the best runners at the position that I've
seen in like, you know, a very long time. And
in the meantime, you know he canna be used that
way here and there he can work on developing at
the quarterback position. You know, he has cannon arm in
addition to being an athlete, but on tape in Alabama,
(06:03):
a lot of inconsistency games where he looked unbelievable, games
where he looked credibly inaccurate to me. So this is
an opportunity for him, I think, just to continue getting
better behind Sam Donald.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, I don't know where you are.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I mean, and many times again with us from a
bridge physical therapy and wellness on Mercer Island, from the
ESPN with us every Friday on the radio show, I
don't know where you are on the kind of hashtag
never kick, never punt philosophy, right, But I'm wondering, with
this Milroe kid now in the mix, is there a
chance that we could see Mike McDonald on fourth and
six inches from his own thirty eight yard line just
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say the hell with it and go for it and
put Milroe in the wildcat and let him run power right.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Up the gut and pick up that free first out.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
A lot of people complain that Pete Carroll wasn't aggressive
enough when he was here in Seattle. Do we see
McDonald maybe going down that road with this kid and
really opening things up and keeping the ball.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I mean, I would, honestly, I mean, have you watched
him Carrie's football and like, you know, fourth to one
stuff is a lot that goes into that in terms of,
you know, he's not like Jalen Hurts. He's a little smaller,
but holy crap, he can run. And it's not even
just like oh he's big and fast or whatever.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
He runs with like unbelievable vision and agility. Like he's
a really special runner.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
So I just don't I just don't see how you
don't find a way to get him on the field.
And I do not view it as limiting to him
or his development.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Yeah, well, Mina times again is with us and men know,
we had nickim and Warre's position coach at South Carolina Tory,
and Gray was with us on the air yesterday and
the first thing he did when he came on with
us is remind us that he coached Cam Chancellor at
Virginia Tech. And he's the one that's kind of making
comparisons between Cam and Emon Worri. People that have watched
(07:48):
the tape on this guy. You know, Hugh Millen watched
the tape and said he was hoping for a little
more violence from Emon Worri. So maybe the comparisons to
Cam were a little bit maybe over the top, But
what you make of this kid, because man, did he
crush it at the combine among safeties. He was just
a freak at the combine and a guy the Hawks
moved up to get.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
You know, it sounds like I'm a little bit aligned
with Q. When I watched him, I didn't remind me
of Cam very much. He looks like Cam getting off
the bus, because he's enormous and he's jacked and he's
he's very tough looking. But you know, I wasn't watching
him thinking man physicality violence.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
I was thinking he can. He can.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
He has the athleticism to play man coverage, he has
the lengths to interfere with football and I and I
think he's a good tackler when he when he arrives
at it.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
But I think you know, there were games against.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Alabama, actually I was thinking because I was watching Milroe
against him, where you saw some errors in terms of
kind of bad angles here and there, mistackles, things that
he'll have to clean up as a pro. But it
sounds like from all accounts he's an unbelievable word as well,
So I think he will be able to and then
you know he gets he joins it. Just a fantastic
situation in Seattle where it's already a very good secondary
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and he's not going to be asked to plug a hole,
right like he can be used in the correct way.
With Mike McDonald, who's somebody I certainly trust when it
comes to the safety position.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, I mean, I gotta be honest with you. I
fancy myself a bit of a homer. I mean, there's
a difference between a homer and an apologist in my opinion, right, Like,
sometimes the homer in you gets a little bit aggressive,
and maybe you tend to be a little too critical
because you're a fan at a homer of the teams
that you cover. But I'm seeing Vegas putting the over
(09:31):
under for the Seahawks that's seven and a.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Half wins, and that feels way too low for me.
That feels like taking candy from a baby to play
the over. How about you?
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Is that the worst in the division?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It is ty maybe Tyler Arizona.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, no, I would. I would take you over for sure.
And I'm you know, I'm someone we've been chatting now
for a bit. I've been pretty critical of some of
the off season decisions I've liked others. I like the
draft class, but I think something that maybe is getting
lost nationally. I don't know, Vegas. This is an ascended defense, right,
like you really saw things turn around the second half
(10:06):
of the season. And even if the offense treads water,
which is kind of what I I don't foresee a
ton of offensive provement.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
I love to be wrong, obviously as a.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Fan, I think the defense is good enough for them
to be regarded as better than that.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Personally, No, you're right.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Last half of the year they were bad, asked no question,
and they should be better now in year number two
under Mike McDonald. But me, the Times is with us
again right here on the radio show and me and
obviously the big story from a national perspective, felt like
and I don't know what it felt like in the
offices at ESPN on the set of the show that
you guys were working during the weekend in Green Bay,
but it really felt like the biggest talking point was
(10:42):
Shador Sanders and what happened to him in the fall.
A lot of fighting, a lot of screaming, a lot
of yelling, a lot of arguing going on about what
happened to Shador.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
What was your takeaway from the weekend for him?
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Oh golly, I.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Mean, it's like so complicated, you know, because this story
gets so big that, like people who aren't even care
about the draft, you know, just kind of casual football fans,
we're asking, like what happened, right because people were talking
about this guy like he was the top quarterback and
suddenly he's on the fifth and it's more than just football,
but it's also football, right, Like, so I think what
(11:16):
I would say if I try to keep it somewhat
brief from a football perspective, Shador was not close to
cam word, and I think clearly teams saw him as
outside of a first round pick, maybe second third is
where I second, I thought from my personal and a vacuum.
But then when you take a quarterback, it's more than football.
(11:37):
And I'm not talking about you know, narratives or perceptions.
There's the actual draft process and how players treat it.
And from all accounts, it sounds like the way he
and his team treated the draft process was not appreciated
but well, and so I think that's how you go
from falling maybe one or two rounds to falling all
the way to the.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Fifth Well, you know, and look, I mean, obviously there's
been arguments about that. You know, how he presented himself,
you know, stories about taking FaceTime calls and all that,
and having his headphones around his neck hearing music while
he's doing interviews, and then other people just say, well, yeah,
but the tape shows a much better quarterback than a
fifth round guy. So I guess that really is my
question to you. Did you see a first round quarterback
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on tape? Or was he drafted where he should have
been drafted when you watch the actual film on the guy.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
I thought late first maybe early seconda that's how I
felt it.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
I think, you know, he definitely he didn't.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
He only has kind of average tools in terms of athleticism,
below average aleticism, and then arm strength is kind of.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Average, little bit below average.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
But he's accurate, he's tough, he's a playmaker, and you
know we've seen time and time again guys with that
set of tools. Teddy Bridgewater is a player who comes
to mind who he kind of hightened me up to
be honest, if you are scoring well. On the other
side of it, the intangibles and leadership and all that,
you'll still go decent recently high.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
So I think just purely from football standpoint.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
From my point of view, I saw him late first,
maybe early second, and I think a lot of folks agreed, honestly,
Like you know, talking to teams, I don't think anyone thinks, again,
if it was just purely football, this is a fifth
round quarterback.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Sure, how much chatter was there?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Mean, and I realized that I'm asking you to kind
of take us behind the scenes a little bit at
ESPN and feel free to share whatever you want or
you know, how much you're ever comfortable with. But man,
there was a lot of talk about mel Kiper's reaction
to Shador Sanders fallen, right, I mean that was Yeah,
that was almost a story in itself. So him and
Rehese Davis going at it. What did you make of that?
And how much conversation was there about that behind the scenes?
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Well, not a lot on my end because I'm actually
no on TV during the draft, so we do NFL Live.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
We did it for two hours from Green Bay.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
During the day and then we're done, which is great,
by the way, not working during the drafts, I just
get to watch it like y'all, like just watch it
on TV, and you know, like listen, I obviously you
just heard me talk about Shador.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
I disagree.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
This is mel came on our show all draft season
and him and I disagreed about Shador. He said, this
is the best quarterback in the draft. I said, I
don't think so, you know, like so I didn't agree
with him, and so his opinions definitely aren't aligned with mine.
But I do think, you know, the draft was unbelievably entertaining,
and the ratings reflect that. I think the Day three
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ratings were like the highest ever or something. So I
think just from the standpoint of people watching it, it
clearly was very entertaining to.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
A lot of people, There's no question, and I think
a lot of that is because of Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I mean, you just mentioned the Day three ratings. I mean,
I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
We're on the golf course on Saturday morning, and we're
all watching our phones just to see where this kid
gets drafted, right, I mean some of them are waiting
to see how far he fell, Others hopeing he went
to maybe their favorite team.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
But there's no doubt that Shador Sanders brought some ratings
magic to the draft. On Saturday, Mina, I'm on the
front page of ESPN dot com and I cannot get
away from Bill Belichick and his girlfriend. I mean, it's
just ridiculous how big this story has become. Does this
interview with CBS where his girlfriend apparently cut it off
and said, we're not going to talk about how we met.
Now there's there's all these stories about her having an
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eight million dollar real estate fortune, you know, just weeks
after she met Bill. Bill's now on a tour defending her.
I mean, I'll just ask you the same question I
asked the guys yesterday.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Why should I care?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Why is a fan should I care about Bill Belichick
and his girlfriend?
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I think it's like the perfect low stakes, drama, gossipy
type story, right, like on your face, who cares?
Speaker 5 (15:40):
I guess if you're a UNC football.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Fan, you might care, right So I, or you know,
anyone who's kind of thinking like about Bill and whether
he's gonna be successful in college. You look at this
and it does appear to be interfering with the program.
So I think it's like reasonable to look at it
from a college football standpoint, or if you're somebody who's
like interested in Bill Belichick, his legacy, how he's regarded whatnot.
As somebody who is not particularly invested in you know,
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those things. From the outside, it's just titillating. I think
it's just kind of like it has like a tabloidy
feel to it.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Now.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I think you know, it's not something that merit's like
great handwright ringing or like moralizing from my standpoint to
be honest, but I do understand why people are interesting
intrigued by it because I'm.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I click on all those videos too, so you're not
watching them, so you know it is not my attention.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Do you think he's ever going to coach it down
again in the NFL?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I god, I think we're seeing a little bit of
why he isn't in the NFL right now.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Is that fair to say?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I mean, I I don't know, you tell me. I mean,
is he just going.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Well just in terms of like I don't know, maybe like.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Not being as I don't want to say sharp, but
like in control as he was during his time in
New England.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
I think that's got to be It's hard not to
look at this and Field that way.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, I mean, do you believe that? Again?
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Like, if you're I just asked you, why should I care?
And I guess if I'm a North Carolina fan, should
I be concerned that maybe his girlfriend has more authority
over the football team than we think he does.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
I would be more concerned about whether's the perception of
the football team in the program is affected by it
and has appeal to players, right, because perception matters so much.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
In college football.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
It's not like like if this is the NFL, it
we'd be like, oh yeah, right, guys aren't going to
sign with the Patriots, like you know, it's just then,
But college football, you know, perception matters, image matters, money matters.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
So I think that would be my takeaway. It's like,
m like, what is this doing for our program?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
No doubt?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
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This is our weekly visit with ESPN's Mina Kimes, brought
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
All right, boys and girls, we are back here at
you dub for Dogs after Dark. The annual Spring Game
Coming Up broadcast starts today at six o'clock. Kickoff around
six point thirty ish with Tony Cam myself walk on
the sidelines of roaming the sidelines. But I know our
next guest is fired up for Husky football. She's fired
up for Husky football, mayor her baseball, Seahawk Football Everything
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two o six, The Sonics on the Way Back soon
the Kraken h our friend Mena Times joining us on
the radio show Here on a Friday night, Mina how
are you.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I mean, the Mariners got me in a good mood lately.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
I don't even know what to do with my hands.
I watching them. I'm just riding the way.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
But you know, you know, thirty plus years of Mariners
fandom has taught moverly.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Last twenty has taught me just you know, don't get
your hopes of too much.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, well, let's you know what, let's just start there
for a second. Because you got a baseball team that
is on pace mina to finish what would have been
good enough for third in runs in Major League Baseball
a year ago. Julio hasn't even gotten the engine going yet.
You got a bunch of guys ro Bless, Bliss, Gilbert
Kirby that are all banged up. I mean, are you
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starting to kind of believe in this team and buying
what you're seeing from these guys?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Well, you know, a lot of it, I would say,
And this isn't just the you know, hardened Mariners fandom me,
but this is me trying to be neutral. Some of
it probably isn't quite sustainable. I'm looking at that walk
rate and thinking that I gotta keep that up. But
the fact that the offense is what it is without
Julio really heating up. And then as you alluded to
(02:11):
the fact that they're being carried by the offense when
we know that the pitching staff can be better, even
if there's some offensive regression, I do think it's going
to be countered by the pitching and perhaps Julio.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Well many times is with us on the radio show,
and I want to get your take on you Dub
and Jedfish and the dogs here in just a second.
We got the spring game again coming up tonight at
six thirty. But give me a thought on first of all,
what the Seahawks did over the weekend, Grey Zabel going
at number eighteen, moving up to get Nicki min Warri
Jalen Milroe is now a Seahawk eleven players overall, What
(02:43):
was your take on the draft class for the Hawks.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
It's exciting.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I think that's my first take, is like, there's some
really exciting players and it's a nice blend of I
wouldn't say safe picks, but you know, Zabel in the
first round might have been one of the most smocks
like chalk draft picks of all time, right Like, And
it's funny because now we're going on you know, a
few years where John Schneider has been pretty damn normal.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
In the first round, Cross was.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Right, you know what I mean, You get like, ain't
no running backs?
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Like it's Cross. I think was very like, Okay, yeah,
that was pretty chalky.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Witherspoon is a player who you know, maybe it's high
for the corner, but we.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Knew Detroit wanted him and it was a position of need.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
And now Gray's Abel was like the most obvious glaring
need and.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
The right player. So you feel good about.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
That and the floor that he brings, and I do
believe he has a high floor, but then you also
get excited about the upside that they got elsewhere. Nick
Amin worry is, you know, one of the most athletic
safety prospects of all time, bit Raw.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
We'll see how that shakes out, but the ceiling is high.
And I think you feel the same way about mill Row.
He is a developmental quarterback.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
He is a lottery pick. But if that lottery pick hits,
then you've really hit the jackpot.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Well, let's go back to Zabel for a second.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
You mentioned the high floor for a guy that played
though at the FCS level and We've talked a bit
on this show about the competition he faced there. What
does the ceiling honestly look like you think for Gray's Abel.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Well, I'll tell you this, and I'm very honest with you.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I don't really trust my ability to evaluate offensive line prospects,
so I ask people who are.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Smarter than me.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
You know, it's a hard position, right to sketch, So
I ask people who played the position always and whether
it's like my friend, like Michael Junior and Mitchell Schre
just ask around, and universally people were very high on him.
And I think you know, he he talked about the
level competition, no doubt, but I think people really impressed
by him and the Spring and.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Senior Bowl and that kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
And I love the fact that he's played so many
positions because you know, while I play guard for Seattle,
we have seen certainly over the last few years, Hole
seemed to spring up on the Seahawks offensive line all
the time. So the fact that he, you know, can
actually kick out the tackle you play center, I think
it's a Seahawks fan, you gotta be excited that.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I mean, you mentioned Milroe there, and I'm just curious
kind of how you see him being used from the
get go, you know, down the road. I'm sure he
would like to be the air apparent to Sam Donald.
The Seahawks might want him to be the air apparent
to Sam Donald. But Week one, for example, in September,
how do we see Jalen Milroe fitting in?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Uh? I think I.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Saw coach McDonald say, you know, we're not gonna use
them like Taysom Hill, and like, look, I'll believe that
one I see it. He is too good of an
athlete to k not get on the field in packages.
And when I say that, I think he'd be using packages.
I personally don't believe that stunts his development. I don't
think it says anything about who he is as a
long term quarterback. I just think he's a damn good
(05:43):
football player and he's an athlete, and you want him
on the field because he is one of the honestly
one of the best runners at the position that I've
seen in like, you know, a very long time. And
in the meantime, you know he canna be used that
way here and there he can work on developing at
the quarterback position. You know, he has cannon arm in
addition to being an athlete, but on tape in Alabama,
(06:03):
a lot of inconsistency games where he looked unbelievable, games
where he looked credibly inaccurate to me. So this is
an opportunity for him, I think, just to continue getting
better behind Sam Donald.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, I don't know where you are.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I mean, and many times again with us from a
bridge physical therapy and wellness on Mercer Island, from the
ESPN with us every Friday on the radio show, I
don't know where you are on the kind of hashtag
never kick, never punt philosophy, right, But I'm wondering, with
this Milroe kid now in the mix, is there a
chance that we could see Mike McDonald on fourth and
six inches from his own thirty eight yard line just
(06:36):
say the hell with it and go for it and
put Milroe in the wildcat and let him run power right.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Up the gut and pick up that free first out.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
A lot of people complain that Pete Carroll wasn't aggressive
enough when he was here in Seattle. Do we see
McDonald maybe going down that road with this kid and
really opening things up and keeping the ball.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I mean, I would, honestly, I mean, have you watched
him Carrie's football and like, you know, fourth to one
stuff is a lot that goes into that in terms of,
you know, he's not like Jalen Hurts. He's a little smaller,
but holy crap, he can run. And it's not even
just like oh he's big and fast or whatever.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
He runs with like unbelievable vision and agility. Like he's
a really special runner.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
So I just don't I just don't see how you
don't find a way to get him on the field.
And I do not view it as limiting to him
or his development.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Yeah, well, Mina times again is with us and men know,
we had nickim and Warre's position coach at South Carolina Tory,
and Gray was with us on the air yesterday and
the first thing he did when he came on with
us is remind us that he coached Cam Chancellor at
Virginia Tech. And he's the one that's kind of making
comparisons between Cam and Emon Worri. People that have watched
(07:48):
the tape on this guy. You know, Hugh Millen watched
the tape and said he was hoping for a little
more violence from Emon Worri. So maybe the comparisons to
Cam were a little bit maybe over the top, But
what you make of this kid, because man, did he
crush it at the combine among safeties. He was just
a freak at the combine and a guy the Hawks
moved up to get.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
You know, it sounds like I'm a little bit aligned
with Q. When I watched him, I didn't remind me
of Cam very much. He looks like Cam getting off
the bus, because he's enormous and he's jacked and he's
he's very tough looking. But you know, I wasn't watching
him thinking man physicality violence.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
I was thinking he can. He can.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
He has the athleticism to play man coverage, he has
the lengths to interfere with football and I and I
think he's a good tackler when he when he arrives
at it.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
But I think you know, there were games against.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Alabama, actually I was thinking because I was watching Milroe
against him, where you saw some errors in terms of
kind of bad angles here and there, mistackles, things that
he'll have to clean up as a pro. But it
sounds like from all accounts he's an unbelievable word as well,
So I think he will be able to and then
you know he gets he joins it. Just a fantastic
situation in Seattle where it's already a very good secondary
(09:02):
and he's not going to be asked to plug a hole,
right like he can be used in the correct way.
With Mike McDonald, who's somebody I certainly trust when it
comes to the safety position.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, I mean, I gotta be honest with you. I
fancy myself a bit of a homer. I mean, there's
a difference between a homer and an apologist in my opinion, right, Like,
sometimes the homer in you gets a little bit aggressive,
and maybe you tend to be a little too critical
because you're a fan at a homer of the teams
that you cover. But I'm seeing Vegas putting the over
(09:31):
under for the Seahawks that's seven and a.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Half wins, and that feels way too low for me.
That feels like taking candy from a baby to play
the over. How about you?
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Is that the worst in the division?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It is ty maybe Tyler Arizona.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, no, I would. I would take you over for sure.
And I'm you know, I'm someone we've been chatting now
for a bit. I've been pretty critical of some of
the off season decisions I've liked others. I like the
draft class, but I think something that maybe is getting
lost nationally. I don't know, Vegas. This is an ascended defense, right,
like you really saw things turn around the second half
(10:06):
of the season. And even if the offense treads water,
which is kind of what I I don't foresee a
ton of offensive provement.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
I love to be wrong, obviously as a.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Fan, I think the defense is good enough for them
to be regarded as better than that.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Personally, No, you're right.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Last half of the year they were bad, asked no question,
and they should be better now in year number two
under Mike McDonald. But me, the Times is with us
again right here on the radio show and me and
obviously the big story from a national perspective, felt like
and I don't know what it felt like in the
offices at ESPN on the set of the show that
you guys were working during the weekend in Green Bay,
but it really felt like the biggest talking point was
(10:42):
Shador Sanders and what happened to him in the fall.
A lot of fighting, a lot of screaming, a lot
of yelling, a lot of arguing going on about what
happened to Shador.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
What was your takeaway from the weekend for him?
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Oh golly, I.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Mean, it's like so complicated, you know, because this story
gets so big that, like people who aren't even care
about the draft, you know, just kind of casual football fans,
we're asking, like what happened, right because people were talking
about this guy like he was the top quarterback and
suddenly he's on the fifth and it's more than just football,
but it's also football, right, Like, so I think what
(11:16):
I would say if I try to keep it somewhat
brief from a football perspective, Shador was not close to
cam word, and I think clearly teams saw him as
outside of a first round pick, maybe second third is
where I second, I thought from my personal and a vacuum.
But then when you take a quarterback, it's more than football.
(11:37):
And I'm not talking about you know, narratives or perceptions.
There's the actual draft process and how players treat it.
And from all accounts, it sounds like the way he
and his team treated the draft process was not appreciated
but well, and so I think that's how you go
from falling maybe one or two rounds to falling all
the way to the.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Fifth Well, you know, and look, I mean, obviously there's
been arguments about that. You know, how he presented himself,
you know, stories about taking FaceTime calls and all that,
and having his headphones around his neck hearing music while
he's doing interviews, and then other people just say, well, yeah,
but the tape shows a much better quarterback than a
fifth round guy. So I guess that really is my
question to you. Did you see a first round quarterback
(12:19):
on tape? Or was he drafted where he should have
been drafted when you watch the actual film on the guy.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
I thought late first maybe early seconda that's how I
felt it.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
I think, you know, he definitely he didn't.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
He only has kind of average tools in terms of athleticism,
below average aleticism, and then arm strength is kind of.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Average, little bit below average.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
But he's accurate, he's tough, he's a playmaker, and you
know we've seen time and time again guys with that
set of tools. Teddy Bridgewater is a player who comes
to mind who he kind of hightened me up to
be honest, if you are scoring well. On the other
side of it, the intangibles and leadership and all that,
you'll still go decent recently high.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
So I think just purely from football standpoint.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
From my point of view, I saw him late first,
maybe early second, and I think a lot of folks agreed, honestly,
Like you know, talking to teams, I don't think anyone thinks, again,
if it was just purely football, this is a fifth
round quarterback.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Sure, how much chatter was there?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Mean, and I realized that I'm asking you to kind
of take us behind the scenes a little bit at
ESPN and feel free to share whatever you want or
you know, how much you're ever comfortable with. But man,
there was a lot of talk about mel Kiper's reaction
to Shador Sanders fallen, right, I mean that was Yeah,
that was almost a story in itself. So him and
Rehese Davis going at it. What did you make of that?
And how much conversation was there about that behind the scenes?
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Well, not a lot on my end because I'm actually
no on TV during the draft, so we do NFL Live.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
We did it for two hours from Green Bay.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
During the day and then we're done, which is great,
by the way, not working during the drafts, I just
get to watch it like y'all, like just watch it
on TV, and you know, like listen, I obviously you
just heard me talk about Shador.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
I disagree.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
This is mel came on our show all draft season
and him and I disagreed about Shador. He said, this
is the best quarterback in the draft. I said, I
don't think so, you know, like so I didn't agree
with him, and so his opinions definitely aren't aligned with mine.
But I do think, you know, the draft was unbelievably entertaining,
and the ratings reflect that. I think the Day three
(14:24):
ratings were like the highest ever or something. So I
think just from the standpoint of people watching it, it
clearly was very entertaining to.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
A lot of people, There's no question, and I think
a lot of that is because of Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I mean, you just mentioned the Day three ratings. I mean,
I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
We're on the golf course on Saturday morning, and we're
all watching our phones just to see where this kid
gets drafted, right, I mean some of them are waiting
to see how far he fell, Others hopeing he went
to maybe their favorite team.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
But there's no doubt that Shador Sanders brought some ratings
magic to the draft. On Saturday, Mina, I'm on the
front page of ESPN dot com and I cannot get
away from Bill Belichick and his girlfriend. I mean, it's
just ridiculous how big this story has become. Does this
interview with CBS where his girlfriend apparently cut it off
and said, we're not going to talk about how we met.
Now there's there's all these stories about her having an
(15:13):
eight million dollar real estate fortune, you know, just weeks
after she met Bill. Bill's now on a tour defending her.
I mean, I'll just ask you the same question I
asked the guys yesterday.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Why should I care?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Why is a fan should I care about Bill Belichick
and his girlfriend?
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I think it's like the perfect low stakes, drama, gossipy
type story, right, like on your face, who cares?
Speaker 5 (15:40):
I guess if you're a UNC football.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Fan, you might care, right So I, or you know,
anyone who's kind of thinking like about Bill and whether
he's gonna be successful in college. You look at this
and it does appear to be interfering with the program.
So I think it's like reasonable to look at it
from a college football standpoint, or if you're somebody who's
like interested in Bill Belichick, his legacy, how he's regarded whatnot.
As somebody who is not particularly invested in you know,
(16:03):
those things. From the outside, it's just titillating. I think
it's just kind of like it has like a tabloidy
feel to it.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Now.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I think you know, it's not something that merit's like
great handwright ringing or like moralizing from my standpoint to
be honest, but I do understand why people are interesting
intrigued by it because I'm.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I click on all those videos too, so you're not
watching them, so you know it is not my attention.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Do you think he's ever going to coach it down
again in the NFL?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I god, I think we're seeing a little bit of
why he isn't in the NFL right now.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Is that fair to say?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I mean, I I don't know, you tell me. I mean,
is he just going.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Well just in terms of like I don't know, maybe like.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Not being as I don't want to say sharp, but
like in control as he was during his time in
New England.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
I think that's got to be It's hard not to
look at this and Field that way.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, I mean, do you believe that? Again?
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Like, if you're I just asked you, why should I care?
And I guess if I'm a North Carolina fan, should
I be concerned that maybe his girlfriend has more authority
over the football team than we think he does.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
I would be more concerned about whether's the perception of
the football team in the program is affected by it
and has appeal to players, right, because perception matters so much.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
In college football.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
It's not like like if this is the NFL, it
we'd be like, oh yeah, right, guys aren't going to
sign with the Patriots, like you know, it's just then,
But college football, you know, perception matters, image matters, money matters.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
So I think that would be my takeaway. It's like,
m like, what is this doing for our program?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
No doubt?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
All right, listen, enjoy the weekend, no draft. You can
chill out, relax, have fun, and we'll talk soon. I
appreciate this take care of by all right made a
times with us on the radio show. Courtesy Abridge Physical
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(18:09):
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closer dogs after dark.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Pregame starts at six with Tony and Cam.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Kickoff at six point thirty with the annual UW Spring
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