April 18, 2025 • 19 mins
Mina Kimes from ESPN joins Dick Fain and Hugh Millen to talk about the Seahawks in the 2025 NFL Draft including Mike Macdonald power dynamics, plus Shedeur Sanders, Grey Zabel, the best fit for Seattle, trades, defensive tackles, and Bama’s Jalen Milroe.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
Softian Dick without the soft one today Hugh Millen is here.
We thank the crew at Bridge Physical Therapy and Wellness.
Betsy and her co owners there are absolutely fantastic head
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needs and they absolutely love our guest Mina Kimes. How
(00:58):
are you, Mina? Hi? Hey, great to have you, Great
to have you. And before we dig deep into the
whole draft side of things, I just kind of want
to get your take on John Schneider in this offensive line,
because as most people know, you're a big Seahawks fan.
You just you love them. You know exactly what's going
on with the with the Hawks. And do you think
(01:20):
John Schneider is just bad at picking out offensive lineman
in the draft or do you think he has hamstrung
himself by really never taking an interior offensive lineman high
in the draft with a first or high second round pick.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Well, I think it's more of the ladder because I
think the tackles you say, he's been pretty pretty dang good. Obviously,
Abe Luca's health has been the limiting factor, but you know,
considering where he was drafted, obviously he's far exceeded that expectation.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
And then I think Charles Cross was a great pick.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
And so really it's about the interior and as you
guys said, it's just not been an area where they've
invested a lot.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
And hopefully that will change this draft.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Mina times with us and Mina, I think that the
most intriguing story in the draft continues to be shoudor
Sanders for seemingly so many reasons. But I want to
I want to hit you from a Giants perspective where
obviously the GM the head coach are are on the
ultimate hot seat. Uh is your sense you could kind
(02:23):
of make an argument, Hey, if you're on the hot seat,
you need to win now, you don't want to take
a quarterback. But then again, if you do take a
quarterback and uh, maybe you struggle, but you feel like
the future is right, maybe that could buy you a
couple extra years. What what do you think are the
important and dynamics that play for the Giants? Should should?
(02:46):
I don't expect them to go to Cleveland whatsoever. I
think he's going to be available to the Giants. What
what do you think is going to be the thought
process there?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I think you said about trying to give your family
is actually more likely and in terms of not not
more likely that they're gonna do. But like, if you're
in the mindset of the gm is trying to save
his job, I think you're actually more likely to draft
a quarterback for that reason, right, because even if the
team's not that good.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
You know, maybe at the end of the season, the
quarter rookie quarterback comes in, he looks good, the team's like, oh,
you chose a good guy.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
There's some excitement, and I think it's a bad reason
to take a quarterback. It's why if I'm the Giants,
I'm actually hopeful they act not out of job preservation,
but with the long term interests of the team in mind.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
And it kind of looks like it's gonna shake out
that way.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I know that they've worked at Store recently, but it
feels more likely than not they're going to go.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
For you know, one of the top two players in
Josh hunt Hard. But I think that's something to be
wary of. Frankly, I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I don't think they'll take him. But and if he
does fall, how far does the Shador Sanders plummet go?
Because that will obviously be topic number one on your
television network as soon as the Giants don't take him
at three, it's gonna be where does Shador go? And
that'll be talking you know, who knows, maybe for an
hour or two.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, there's two teams you're looking at, right, the New
Orleans Saints at nine and then the Pittsburgh Steelers at
twenty one, and both, Frankly, are mysteries when it comes
to Store Sanders, especially when it comes to Sure Sanders
versus Jackson Dart, who has gotten a lot of There's
been a lot of smoke around him going the first
round lately, there's been links between him and the Saints.
(04:30):
If you had told me this a couple months ago,
I never would have believed it. I would have thought
the Saints would be thrilled to Jake Sanders at nine.
But it's gotten a little bit.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Too lot loud, the buzz not you know, not to
take seriously. Yeah, at first I thought a team was
going to have to jump the Saints. Maybe the Steiers
would consider.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Jumping them for Sanders, but I'm increasingly of the mind
that's probably not gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Well, a lot of people are just saying, Okay, well,
it's natural the Saints just don't have a quarterback if
Derek Carr is out for the season. I mean they
got Spencer rack and they got Jake Hayner, right and
and it was it was a mixed bag last year
with Spencer Ratley Ratler and mostly mostly bad. But uh,
is anybody talking about the following dynamic If Shaudur were
(05:15):
to be drafted by the Saints. He got Kellen Moore
in year one, and one would think, Okay, he's secure.
Deon Sanders went on your network on February seventh and
was asked, Hey, the only you've said. He was asked,
you've said you you would only coach in the NFL
if you could coach your son, and he said, that's right.
(05:36):
I didn't stutter, and so he seems to be pretty
emphatic about that proposition. Uh. Meanwhile, you take the coaches
that are one and done just in this decade, Antonio Pierce,
Jared Mayo, Uh, Frank Wright, Levy Smith, Nathaniel Hackett, David Cutley,
and Urban Meyer. That the idea would be that maybe
(05:56):
if if Shader goes to the Saints and things don't
go real well, they could just blow out Kellen Moore
after one year and hires Dion Sanders. Is that a
concern for Kellen Moore or anybody else in this equation?
Anybody else thinking about Dion that Hey, if I, uh
(06:17):
for Shure Door, if I draft Shador, I could be
replaced by his father in as soon as one year.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Uh. Maybe it's like a slight consideration.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
But I think the concerns questions that any of these
teams have about Sanders have a lot less to do
with that distant.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Possibility and a lot more to.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Do with his issues a pocket man, to be honest, store, Uh,
you know, maybe questions around arm talent. You know, if
you draft Shador and he's not good, frankly, you're worried
about keeping your job period less worried about who's going
to replace you. So I don't think the dion of
it all is a huge factor in this process. I
(07:00):
think there's reasonable questions about him as a prospect that
have nothing to do with all of the other stuff
or personality or interviews or whatever. They're really just purely
about him as a football player.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
To me, ESPN's mena Times joins us on a weekly basis,
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Mercer Island. Visit them at Bridgeptandwillness dot com. So I
saw a video that you posted, I think it was yesterday.
You had five team fits that you would like to
see in the first round, fits being the players going
to certain teams. Seattle was one of those five teams.
(07:31):
So disclosed for us on the air. Who did you
choose for your perfect Seahawk fit?
Speaker 5 (07:36):
And why.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I won't enable to the interior offensive lineman in North
Dakota State. Really, I mean, dude play every position in college,
but I think he's best suited as the NFL guard.
I think he's a great scheme fit for the Klik
Kubiak offense.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
He's fast, he's athletic.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I think he's already shown some proficiency in his own
blocking scheme, and as we talk throughout the beginning the show,
it's just such a glaring.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Big if need for them. I mean, this offense is
going to be dead on arrival if they can't protect
Sam Darnold better than how they protected Gina Smith last year.
I feel pretty confident in saying that. You know, I
keep hearing, Oh.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
The scheme's gonna be easier on the alignment, I got care.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah, we've seen a scheme across the FEL. Sure it's
easier on lineman, but if you don't have good lineman,
good luck.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Right. So I would really like that pick for him.
I think he's a really good player. I was a
little bit late to watching him, but I really like
what I've seen.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Is he worthy of the eighteenth or is he somebody
that you think John Schneider might be able to move
the twenty two to twenty three pick up some more
picks and still get them.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, I mean I think it's all kind of is
in depends on where you're maneuvering, and if you've I
think you've definitely go down a little bit and still
get him.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I have to look at the board and look at.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Potential teams that might be in the market for because
I think he's the best interior offensive.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Lineman in the class.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Or Tyler Booker is the other player, but they're very different.
I think different schemes will be looking at them. But
so seat I's picking at eighteen, so they're behind his Natty,
which is a potential guard team, by the way, But
after them, you're going back to maybe Chargers, maybe things
more likely to take a tackle. Same with the Rams.
(09:15):
The Ravens at twenty seven are a team that I
would watch out for as a potential guard destination. So
I think if you could fall back somewhere in that range,
you still got a good chance of getting in.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Speaking of trading, is there a guy that you would
trade up for if you were John Schneider? A guy
that if he's there within I'm not talking about trading
up to ten or nine. I'm talking about trading up
to fifteen or fourteen. Is there is there a guy that,
if he's still there at fourteen fifteen, You're like, John,
pick up the phone and give him a second round
pick and let's go.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Well, I don't know about a second round pick, so
I think I would. I don't think there's a guy
who's worth doing a monster trade for or monster trade,
like a big trade who's realistic. But you know, if
we're talking about like marginal movements Tedoro and McMillan, I
think the wide receiver, if he was available for Seattle
and they didn't have to give up a ton to go.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Up, that's a player that I would be eyeballing.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I really like Colston Loveland, but I don't think it's
going to be worth what it might take to jump Indianapolis.
Who's the team that I'm kind of looking at is
if he gets back to Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
I think he's a good chance he's a Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
With if Tyler Warren goes earlier, right, which I think
is pretty likely, But I'd be worried of giving up
too much draft Apple to go up and get a
tight end.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Are the people that you work with from the standpoint
of the impression they get John Schneider, Mike McDonald, obviously Schnyder,
it's different. Now, Snyder on paper has the final word,
whereas Pete Carroll had.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
What are you.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Hearing in terms of how that relationship like, for example,
let's say Mike McDonald fast fancies him self a safety
that might match what he got from Kyle Hamilton and Baltimore,
a week side linebacker that might match what what he
had in Patrick Queen, and and he's kind of non like, hey,
(11:08):
let's get this guy. My my defense can really work
around that. What's your sense of of how Schneider. Maybe
Schneider says, no, no, no, I gotta I got, I
gotta address the offense more what what what do you
think or what's the people that you talk through this
sense about how that relationship is going to evolve? In now?
Draft number two?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Well, first I'll say the player that I would that, Yeah,
I'm thinking about when you're you're bringing that idea of that.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
What if McDonald you know, gets the player he wants.
I guts think he's watched you.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Hot Campbell, the offul linebacker out of Alabama and salivated.
He's one of my favorite players in the draft. He
would be such a perfect fit for the Seattle Seahawks.
So I think he's when you're talking about like, ooh,
that difference between the coach and whatever, But the coach
knows that they have to get better on offense too.
And you know, all I've heard is that it's like
pretty collaborative. Schneider's obviously giving him some leeway in terms
(11:57):
of letting defensive players walk that he's paid demon free agency.
You remember some pretty surprise cuts right the linebacker position
in particular last year. That to me signified that, you know,
McDonald definitely has influence on the personnel side of things,
but offensively he took pretty big risks this offseason with
the reset. So I think Snyder's calling the shots with
(12:18):
I think McDonald having maybe more influence over the Typson
defensive players they take.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
You love the big tubs of goo in this draft,
those big defensive tackles. It's deep right there, and you know,
talk about the run stuffing defensive tackles that you like. Obviously,
the Seahawks got a defensive tackle last year, but he's
not that huge mammoth man that just plugs up the middle.
Who do you like at that position?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
A lot of guys, I mean, the top my top
three at that position are Kenneth Grant out of Michigan,
and then after him, probably Tyler Williams Ohio State, Alfred
Collins out of Texas. Who's just I mean, it's funny,
kind of reminds me. I mean, it's not like I
could afford at all, but think you about Texas defensive tackles.
(13:01):
But there's a lot of really good noses who like
if this draft will say you placed in nineteen ninety five,
would probably all go in the first round because they're
awesome at stopping the run. So I do think if
Seattle were going to go with someone later in the draft,
there's definitely gonna be some options for them.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
How about Jalen Milroe. I got I got laughed out
of the studio a couple days ago by Softie and Jackson.
I mean, I am just tantalized by Jalen Milroe. I
understand he's got a lot of warts when it comes
to accuracy, but I am just tantalized by maybe unprecedented
athleticism at that position. When you just look at the measurables,
(13:38):
where are you on potentially taking a shot in the
second round or maybe early third for Jalen Milroe if
he last that long.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Well, I think for some teams it makes sense. I
don't know about Seattle, per Se maybe later, but I
don't think he's going to be there in the third round.
But as far as the player goes, I mean got
a cannon, right, probably the strongest arm the draft, and is.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
An unbelievable runner. I think that was the thing that
just shocked me. Not just fast and.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Explosive, but he's really really just like gifted at he's agile.
He I mean he runs on like a running back,
you know, like he sets up defenders with his moves
and he runs with great vision. He's I think like
if he were ever to make a position to change,
could absolutely be successful, which, by the way, potentially creates
a floor for him as a player if you draft
(14:28):
him knowing that he has that ability. But I got
major question marks about accuracy, processing, decision making. I'd be
a little bit concerned too, because he's been playing football
at a high level for so long. So it's not
just like you can point him and say, well, he
just needs better coaching. He's He's come from Alabama, guys, right,
so he's a lottery ticket. That's so, I said an
NFL live State. It's what I believe. And if you're
(14:49):
a team that can afford to buy a lottery ticket ticket,
then by go means go ahead and do it.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Well, it really comes down to is he more Anthony Richardson?
And I understand Anthony Richardson. We haven't written the epitaph
on his career, but it certainly hasn't been what the
Colts would have wanted?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Is he more Anthony Richardson? Is he more Jalen hurt Slash?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (15:11):
You know, you might even say lamar in terms of Okay,
here's a guy that you know, I was just watching
tape of him, and his good plays are are exceptional,
Like you go, whoa, okay that that that's that's elite,
But his bad plays are almost confounding. It's uh right,
(15:32):
I mean his bad stuff is really bad on tape.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah yeah, and it's like stretches of bad games. But
the like if you cut up season, you know at
a certain point you'd be the top ten pick, right,
no question, but then keep.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Highlight tape for sure?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I just don't.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I actually don't view them as.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Close to either Hurts or Richardson and the prospects Frank
that Richardson was a better prospect than Jima Milrowe to
be honest, man.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Before I let you go, I saw the Athletic yesterday
came out with their roster rankings and they ranked the
Hawks roster twenty second in the NFL, and part of
their comments were quote, they have a lot of holes,
and man, I guess I don't see that other than
the obvious interior line holes where they have at least two,
I just don't see a ton of gaping holes in
(16:21):
this roster. What's your assessment.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I think the defense is probably very underrated, and I
think the offense has holes. That's how I feel it,
so kind of it depends on how you're weighing everything, right,
I think the defense is in great shape and it's
also going in the right direction offensively. Interior offensive line.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
I think both.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Wide receiver and tight ends are areas though that they
need to improve at and I hope they do in
the draft me.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
And we always appreciate it. We'll talk to you next week.
Fantastic job making the semis of Celebrity Jeopardy. By the way,
I recorded that on Wednesday just so I could watch
it when I got home. I watched it this week.
You were so close to making the finals. But as
we found out from you, scared money doesn't make money.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Right, They don't make money exactly right. I hope that
the the draft the same way.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
There we go, love it.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Thanks, Mina.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
You bet Mina Kuyves from from ESPN. You know, some
interesting interesting takes there. She loves the defensive What do
you think of the defense of the big tubs of goo, Hugh,
because that's always a you know, run stuffing, especially in
the twenty twenty five era of the NFL, where it
does we do look like we're shifting back into more
(17:31):
run dominated offenses out there. What does the defensive front
look like for you? At those run stuffers with Seattle? Yeah,
potentially a guy that potentially could fit there.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Yeah yeah, I mean I think that they you should
view them as as talent it enough that you're probably
thinking more depth position.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Now.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
That would be the position above all others on a
team that I would want to be the most deep, right,
And you know the Eagles, they just seem to keep
drafting inside guy after the inside guy. You know, I'm
kind of fond of Kirby Smart's quote, he says, Look,
it's a passing game. It's twenty twenty four. But that's
(18:17):
why I want to devote as many people, to as
many bodies to the passing game as I can, and
I want to I want to be able to stop
the run without having to put the safety down. So
stopping the run is extremely important because of how I
(18:37):
view the way I want to stop the pass with
having safeties back. And so I think there's a lot
of you know, I've said, I think Mike McDonald is,
you know, his resume was in the discussion for you know,
the smartest defense of mine on planet Earth. Now Steve
Spagnola would be in that conversation if you want to
argue back. And I think Kirby Smart, if you can
(19:00):
consider what he's done, not just as the head coach
at Georgia, but the defense coordinator to Alabama, his depending
on how you want to ascribe, you know, NFL versus
college football, but Kirby Smart is is brilliant and just
the fact when he talks about anything about philosophy defense philosophy,
(19:20):
I'm listening, and I think that a lot of that
applies to the NFL as well.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Great stuff from Mena Kimes. We appreciate her joining us
on a weekly basis. Brought to you by Bridge Physical
Therapy and Wellness. Find them online at Bridgeptndwellness dot com.
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
Softian Dick without the soft one today Hugh Millen is here.
We thank the crew at Bridge Physical Therapy and Wellness.
Betsy and her co owners there are absolutely fantastic head
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needs and they absolutely love our guest Mina Kimes. How
(00:58):
are you, Mina? Hi? Hey, great to have you, Great
to have you. And before we dig deep into the
whole draft side of things, I just kind of want
to get your take on John Schneider in this offensive line,
because as most people know, you're a big Seahawks fan.
You just you love them. You know exactly what's going
on with the with the Hawks. And do you think
(01:20):
John Schneider is just bad at picking out offensive lineman
in the draft or do you think he has hamstrung
himself by really never taking an interior offensive lineman high
in the draft with a first or high second round pick.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Well, I think it's more of the ladder because I
think the tackles you say, he's been pretty pretty dang good. Obviously,
Abe Luca's health has been the limiting factor, but you know,
considering where he was drafted, obviously he's far exceeded that expectation.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
And then I think Charles Cross was a great pick.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
And so really it's about the interior and as you
guys said, it's just not been an area where they've
invested a lot.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
And hopefully that will change this draft.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Mina times with us and Mina, I think that the
most intriguing story in the draft continues to be shoudor
Sanders for seemingly so many reasons. But I want to
I want to hit you from a Giants perspective where
obviously the GM the head coach are are on the
ultimate hot seat. Uh is your sense you could kind
(02:23):
of make an argument, Hey, if you're on the hot seat,
you need to win now, you don't want to take
a quarterback. But then again, if you do take a
quarterback and uh, maybe you struggle, but you feel like
the future is right, maybe that could buy you a
couple extra years. What what do you think are the
important and dynamics that play for the Giants? Should should?
(02:46):
I don't expect them to go to Cleveland whatsoever. I
think he's going to be available to the Giants. What
what do you think is going to be the thought
process there?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I think you said about trying to give your family
is actually more likely and in terms of not not
more likely that they're gonna do. But like, if you're
in the mindset of the gm is trying to save
his job, I think you're actually more likely to draft
a quarterback for that reason, right, because even if the
team's not that good.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
You know, maybe at the end of the season, the
quarter rookie quarterback comes in, he looks good, the team's like, oh,
you chose a good guy.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
There's some excitement, and I think it's a bad reason
to take a quarterback. It's why if I'm the Giants,
I'm actually hopeful they act not out of job preservation,
but with the long term interests of the team in mind.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
And it kind of looks like it's gonna shake out
that way.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I know that they've worked at Store recently, but it
feels more likely than not they're going to go.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
For you know, one of the top two players in
Josh hunt Hard. But I think that's something to be
wary of. Frankly, I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I don't think they'll take him. But and if he
does fall, how far does the Shador Sanders plummet go?
Because that will obviously be topic number one on your
television network as soon as the Giants don't take him
at three, it's gonna be where does Shador go? And
that'll be talking you know, who knows, maybe for an
hour or two.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, there's two teams you're looking at, right, the New
Orleans Saints at nine and then the Pittsburgh Steelers at
twenty one, and both, Frankly, are mysteries when it comes
to Store Sanders, especially when it comes to Sure Sanders
versus Jackson Dart, who has gotten a lot of There's
been a lot of smoke around him going the first
round lately, there's been links between him and the Saints.
(04:30):
If you had told me this a couple months ago,
I never would have believed it. I would have thought
the Saints would be thrilled to Jake Sanders at nine.
But it's gotten a little bit.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Too lot loud, the buzz not you know, not to
take seriously. Yeah, at first I thought a team was
going to have to jump the Saints. Maybe the Steiers
would consider.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Jumping them for Sanders, but I'm increasingly of the mind
that's probably not gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Well, a lot of people are just saying, Okay, well,
it's natural the Saints just don't have a quarterback if
Derek Carr is out for the season. I mean they
got Spencer rack and they got Jake Hayner, right and
and it was it was a mixed bag last year
with Spencer Ratley Ratler and mostly mostly bad. But uh,
is anybody talking about the following dynamic If Shaudur were
(05:15):
to be drafted by the Saints. He got Kellen Moore
in year one, and one would think, Okay, he's secure.
Deon Sanders went on your network on February seventh and
was asked, Hey, the only you've said. He was asked,
you've said you you would only coach in the NFL
if you could coach your son, and he said, that's right.
(05:36):
I didn't stutter, and so he seems to be pretty
emphatic about that proposition. Uh. Meanwhile, you take the coaches
that are one and done just in this decade, Antonio Pierce,
Jared Mayo, Uh, Frank Wright, Levy Smith, Nathaniel Hackett, David Cutley,
and Urban Meyer. That the idea would be that maybe
(05:56):
if if Shader goes to the Saints and things don't
go real well, they could just blow out Kellen Moore
after one year and hires Dion Sanders. Is that a
concern for Kellen Moore or anybody else in this equation?
Anybody else thinking about Dion that Hey, if I, uh
(06:17):
for Shure Door, if I draft Shador, I could be
replaced by his father in as soon as one year.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Uh. Maybe it's like a slight consideration.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
But I think the concerns questions that any of these
teams have about Sanders have a lot less to do
with that distant.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Possibility and a lot more to.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Do with his issues a pocket man, to be honest, store, Uh,
you know, maybe questions around arm talent. You know, if
you draft Shador and he's not good, frankly, you're worried
about keeping your job period less worried about who's going
to replace you. So I don't think the dion of
it all is a huge factor in this process. I
(07:00):
think there's reasonable questions about him as a prospect that
have nothing to do with all of the other stuff
or personality or interviews or whatever. They're really just purely
about him as a football player.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
To me, ESPN's mena Times joins us on a weekly basis,
brought to you by Bridge Physical Therapy and Wellness in
Mercer Island. Visit them at Bridgeptandwillness dot com. So I
saw a video that you posted, I think it was yesterday.
You had five team fits that you would like to
see in the first round, fits being the players going
to certain teams. Seattle was one of those five teams.
(07:31):
So disclosed for us on the air. Who did you
choose for your perfect Seahawk fit?
Speaker 5 (07:36):
And why.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I won't enable to the interior offensive lineman in North
Dakota State. Really, I mean, dude play every position in college,
but I think he's best suited as the NFL guard.
I think he's a great scheme fit for the Klik
Kubiak offense.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
He's fast, he's athletic.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I think he's already shown some proficiency in his own
blocking scheme, and as we talk throughout the beginning the show,
it's just such a glaring.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Big if need for them. I mean, this offense is
going to be dead on arrival if they can't protect
Sam Darnold better than how they protected Gina Smith last year.
I feel pretty confident in saying that. You know, I
keep hearing, Oh.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
The scheme's gonna be easier on the alignment, I got care.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah, we've seen a scheme across the FEL. Sure it's
easier on lineman, but if you don't have good lineman,
good luck.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Right. So I would really like that pick for him.
I think he's a really good player. I was a
little bit late to watching him, but I really like
what I've seen.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Is he worthy of the eighteenth or is he somebody
that you think John Schneider might be able to move
the twenty two to twenty three pick up some more
picks and still get them.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, I mean I think it's all kind of is
in depends on where you're maneuvering, and if you've I
think you've definitely go down a little bit and still
get him.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I have to look at the board and look at.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Potential teams that might be in the market for because
I think he's the best interior offensive.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Lineman in the class.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Or Tyler Booker is the other player, but they're very different.
I think different schemes will be looking at them. But
so seat I's picking at eighteen, so they're behind his Natty,
which is a potential guard team, by the way, But
after them, you're going back to maybe Chargers, maybe things
more likely to take a tackle. Same with the Rams.
(09:15):
The Ravens at twenty seven are a team that I
would watch out for as a potential guard destination. So
I think if you could fall back somewhere in that range,
you still got a good chance of getting in.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Speaking of trading, is there a guy that you would
trade up for if you were John Schneider? A guy
that if he's there within I'm not talking about trading
up to ten or nine. I'm talking about trading up
to fifteen or fourteen. Is there is there a guy that,
if he's still there at fourteen fifteen, You're like, John,
pick up the phone and give him a second round
pick and let's go.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Well, I don't know about a second round pick, so
I think I would. I don't think there's a guy
who's worth doing a monster trade for or monster trade,
like a big trade who's realistic. But you know, if
we're talking about like marginal movements Tedoro and McMillan, I
think the wide receiver, if he was available for Seattle
and they didn't have to give up a ton to go.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Up, that's a player that I would be eyeballing.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I really like Colston Loveland, but I don't think it's
going to be worth what it might take to jump Indianapolis.
Who's the team that I'm kind of looking at is
if he gets back to Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
I think he's a good chance he's a Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
With if Tyler Warren goes earlier, right, which I think
is pretty likely, But I'd be worried of giving up
too much draft Apple to go up and get a
tight end.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Are the people that you work with from the standpoint
of the impression they get John Schneider, Mike McDonald, obviously Schnyder,
it's different. Now, Snyder on paper has the final word,
whereas Pete Carroll had.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
What are you.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Hearing in terms of how that relationship like, for example,
let's say Mike McDonald fast fancies him self a safety
that might match what he got from Kyle Hamilton and Baltimore,
a week side linebacker that might match what what he
had in Patrick Queen, and and he's kind of non like, hey,
(11:08):
let's get this guy. My my defense can really work
around that. What's your sense of of how Schneider. Maybe
Schneider says, no, no, no, I gotta I got, I
gotta address the offense more what what what do you
think or what's the people that you talk through this
sense about how that relationship is going to evolve? In now?
Draft number two?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Well, first I'll say the player that I would that, Yeah,
I'm thinking about when you're you're bringing that idea of that.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
What if McDonald you know, gets the player he wants.
I guts think he's watched you.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Hot Campbell, the offul linebacker out of Alabama and salivated.
He's one of my favorite players in the draft. He
would be such a perfect fit for the Seattle Seahawks.
So I think he's when you're talking about like, ooh,
that difference between the coach and whatever, But the coach
knows that they have to get better on offense too.
And you know, all I've heard is that it's like
pretty collaborative. Schneider's obviously giving him some leeway in terms
(11:57):
of letting defensive players walk that he's paid demon free agency.
You remember some pretty surprise cuts right the linebacker position
in particular last year. That to me signified that, you know,
McDonald definitely has influence on the personnel side of things,
but offensively he took pretty big risks this offseason with
the reset. So I think Snyder's calling the shots with
(12:18):
I think McDonald having maybe more influence over the Typson
defensive players they take.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
You love the big tubs of goo in this draft,
those big defensive tackles. It's deep right there, and you know,
talk about the run stuffing defensive tackles that you like. Obviously,
the Seahawks got a defensive tackle last year, but he's
not that huge mammoth man that just plugs up the middle.
Who do you like at that position?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
A lot of guys, I mean, the top my top
three at that position are Kenneth Grant out of Michigan,
and then after him, probably Tyler Williams Ohio State, Alfred
Collins out of Texas. Who's just I mean, it's funny,
kind of reminds me. I mean, it's not like I
could afford at all, but think you about Texas defensive tackles.
(13:01):
But there's a lot of really good noses who like
if this draft will say you placed in nineteen ninety five,
would probably all go in the first round because they're
awesome at stopping the run. So I do think if
Seattle were going to go with someone later in the draft,
there's definitely gonna be some options for them.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
How about Jalen Milroe. I got I got laughed out
of the studio a couple days ago by Softie and Jackson.
I mean, I am just tantalized by Jalen Milroe. I
understand he's got a lot of warts when it comes
to accuracy, but I am just tantalized by maybe unprecedented
athleticism at that position. When you just look at the measurables,
(13:38):
where are you on potentially taking a shot in the
second round or maybe early third for Jalen Milroe if
he last that long.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Well, I think for some teams it makes sense. I
don't know about Seattle, per Se maybe later, but I
don't think he's going to be there in the third round.
But as far as the player goes, I mean got
a cannon, right, probably the strongest arm the draft, and is.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
An unbelievable runner. I think that was the thing that
just shocked me. Not just fast and.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Explosive, but he's really really just like gifted at he's agile.
He I mean he runs on like a running back,
you know, like he sets up defenders with his moves
and he runs with great vision. He's I think like
if he were ever to make a position to change,
could absolutely be successful, which, by the way, potentially creates
a floor for him as a player if you draft
(14:28):
him knowing that he has that ability. But I got
major question marks about accuracy, processing, decision making. I'd be
a little bit concerned too, because he's been playing football
at a high level for so long. So it's not
just like you can point him and say, well, he
just needs better coaching. He's He's come from Alabama, guys, right,
so he's a lottery ticket. That's so, I said an
NFL live State. It's what I believe. And if you're
(14:49):
a team that can afford to buy a lottery ticket ticket,
then by go means go ahead and do it.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Well, it really comes down to is he more Anthony Richardson?
And I understand Anthony Richardson. We haven't written the epitaph
on his career, but it certainly hasn't been what the
Colts would have wanted?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Is he more Anthony Richardson? Is he more Jalen hurt Slash?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (15:11):
You know, you might even say lamar in terms of Okay,
here's a guy that you know, I was just watching
tape of him, and his good plays are are exceptional,
Like you go, whoa, okay that that that's that's elite,
But his bad plays are almost confounding. It's uh right,
(15:32):
I mean his bad stuff is really bad on tape.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah yeah, and it's like stretches of bad games. But
the like if you cut up season, you know at
a certain point you'd be the top ten pick, right,
no question, but then keep.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Highlight tape for sure?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I just don't.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I actually don't view them as.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Close to either Hurts or Richardson and the prospects Frank
that Richardson was a better prospect than Jima Milrowe to
be honest, man.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Before I let you go, I saw the Athletic yesterday
came out with their roster rankings and they ranked the
Hawks roster twenty second in the NFL, and part of
their comments were quote, they have a lot of holes,
and man, I guess I don't see that other than
the obvious interior line holes where they have at least two,
I just don't see a ton of gaping holes in
(16:21):
this roster. What's your assessment.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I think the defense is probably very underrated, and I
think the offense has holes. That's how I feel it,
so kind of it depends on how you're weighing everything, right,
I think the defense is in great shape and it's
also going in the right direction offensively. Interior offensive line.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
I think both.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Wide receiver and tight ends are areas though that they
need to improve at and I hope they do in
the draft me.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
And we always appreciate it. We'll talk to you next week.
Fantastic job making the semis of Celebrity Jeopardy. By the way,
I recorded that on Wednesday just so I could watch
it when I got home. I watched it this week.
You were so close to making the finals. But as
we found out from you, scared money doesn't make money.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Right, They don't make money exactly right. I hope that
the the draft the same way.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
There we go, love it.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Thanks, Mina.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
You bet Mina Kuyves from from ESPN. You know, some
interesting interesting takes there. She loves the defensive What do
you think of the defense of the big tubs of goo, Hugh,
because that's always a you know, run stuffing, especially in
the twenty twenty five era of the NFL, where it
does we do look like we're shifting back into more
(17:31):
run dominated offenses out there. What does the defensive front
look like for you? At those run stuffers with Seattle? Yeah,
potentially a guy that potentially could fit there.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Yeah yeah, I mean I think that they you should
view them as as talent it enough that you're probably
thinking more depth position.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Now.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
That would be the position above all others on a
team that I would want to be the most deep, right,
And you know the Eagles, they just seem to keep
drafting inside guy after the inside guy. You know, I'm
kind of fond of Kirby Smart's quote, he says, Look,
it's a passing game. It's twenty twenty four. But that's
(18:17):
why I want to devote as many people, to as
many bodies to the passing game as I can, and
I want to I want to be able to stop
the run without having to put the safety down. So
stopping the run is extremely important because of how I
(18:37):
view the way I want to stop the pass with
having safeties back. And so I think there's a lot
of you know, I've said, I think Mike McDonald is,
you know, his resume was in the discussion for you know,
the smartest defense of mine on planet Earth. Now Steve
Spagnola would be in that conversation if you want to
argue back. And I think Kirby Smart, if you can
(19:00):
consider what he's done, not just as the head coach
at Georgia, but the defense coordinator to Alabama, his depending
on how you want to ascribe, you know, NFL versus
college football, but Kirby Smart is is brilliant and just
the fact when he talks about anything about philosophy defense philosophy,
(19:20):
I'm listening, and I think that a lot of that
applies to the NFL as well.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Great stuff from Mena Kimes. We appreciate her joining us
on a weekly basis. Brought to you by Bridge Physical
Therapy and Wellness. Find them online at Bridgeptndwellness dot com.
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