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December 4, 2025 • 14 mins

Rick Neuheisel, former Washington Head Coach now with CBS Sports, joins Dick Fain to talk about Demond Williams and the UW football season, Lane Kiffin going from Ole Miss to LSU, the playoff model, the Big 10 championship, Texas’ situation, and his pick.

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Live the five twenty bar and gral Saftian Dick without
the soft one today, but we have Rick new Heisl
in tow who is just absolutely on fire. Hawaii minus
eight and a half against Wyoming, they win twenty seven
to seven. Rick, you are seven and two against the
spread in your last nine games.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
My friend, I'm here for the people. I mean, what
else can I tell you? I'm here for the people.
I got out of the blocks a little slow, I said,
I looked at myself in the mirror, said, You've got
to give them something that they need and other than
Chris burritos, what else can I deliver? That's what I'm
trying to help you with.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Can't wait for your Taco Time pick of the week.
In about fifteen minutes or so. But let's start at
what we saw at Montlake on Saturday. It's just it
was unbelievable that the numbers on first down. Rick I
did a little breakdown after the game because I was like, God,
it seemed.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Like we were terrible passing the ball on first down.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
They were two of eight with two interceptions and two
sacks on first down passes. Meanwhile, they carried the ball
fourteen times for one hundred and five yards when they
ran the ball on first down. Is there a point
where you just talk to your coordinators, you talk to
your coaches, and say we're just not gonna throw on
first down anymore when it's that desparate.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Well, when you're looking at it after the fact, you
sat there and scratch your head and said, we should
never have thrown. But when you're talking about a talent
like Deman Williams, he just can't believe that he would
be that inconsistent. But there were signs of that at
the Rose Bowl the week before, even though it was
an easy victory, his accuracy and his rhythm to his

(02:12):
throwing in terms of the footwork tied to the arm,
were off. And that's got to get fixed before they
play their postseason game, because he's too talented to be
as inaccurate as he's been the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
And then the defense just kept doing what the defense
has done all year long against everybody, the best teams,
the terrible teams, everybody in between. That they just kept
the dogs in the game, just like they did against
Ohio State, just like they did against Michigan, and the
offense just couldn't muster anything. I mean, this defense carrying

(02:44):
over for next year, I mean, this could be a
top fifteen, top twelve unit in America?

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Can it? There's no question? And Ryan Walters deserves a
huge amount of credit to put this team in the
position that they were in to corral an Oregon running
game that had run rough shot over everybody. Unfortunately, when
you do that, you have to commit extra guys to
the box, and you know, Dante more was talented enough

(03:10):
to you know, hit some passes down the field and
give the Ducks the advantage. But a huge effort and
a huge performance by Ryan Walters in year one at Washington.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
So how would you evaluate the regular season overall? They
go from six and seven last year, six and six
in the regular season to I think.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
A fairly predictable eight and four.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
If you'd have told me at the beginning of the
year they were going to go eight and four and
they were going to lose to Oregon, Ohio State, Michigan,
and Wisconsin, I think.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
You probably would have said, Yeah, that sounds about right.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
That's exactly right. I think it was a very good season.
I think the hope for that breakthrough game didn't quite materialize.
But there's no reason to think that after another year recruiting,
assuming that Jed has the same you know, kind of
caliber of class and the event and also the same
resources to go and cultivate a great class, that you

(04:03):
won't have, you know, the game breakers that will be
the difference in those games that keep her from the
the the penthouse, I guess of the Big ten, that's
where they're trying to get and that's where I think
Washington deserves to be. We'll see if they can get
that done.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Well.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, twelve Frank recruiting class helps, that's that's not bad.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
So Jed did a nice nice job there.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
But Rick new Azel joining us Rick, it seems like
every three or four years, Lane Kiffen is front and
center in the most newsworthy person in college football for
one reason or another.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Is this more what we're.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
What we saw with Kiffen over the last week and
really over the last month. Is this more of a
college football problem that will reappear on a regular basis,
or is this more unique to Lane Kiffen.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
There is no question that it's awkward. There's no question
that it is awkward. He does not need to make
it this awkward. But college football is at fault in
terms of the calendar for coaches needing to make decisions
prior to making the change from one school to another.
Recruiting shouldn't be happening in the middle of a playoff run.

(05:12):
The transfer portal shouldn't happen in the middle of a
playoff run. This should all be different, and I hope
that someday it will be because it just requires a
little common sense. But there's no question that Dismount Danny
otherwise known as Lane Kiffin has once again, you know,
busted a knee, busted an ankle. He just can't land it.
He just can't land it. It's just an impossibility for

(05:33):
the lad you.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Know, eight of the nine to top nine teams in
the rankings are from the Big ten or the SEC.
It just seems to me like the gap continues to
grow between the two super conferences and the rest. I mean,
we're talking about potentially an ACC conference without any tournament
worthy teams. So how long will there be talk about

(05:56):
the four four two two one model if the ACC
and the Big twelve can't carry their weight.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
I mean, are we going.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
To see the talk go to five five one one
here in the future.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Well, we're getting close to that anyway, and I think
that the ACC and Big twelve are seeing the writing
on the wall. Certainly Tony Pettiti is pushing for automatic qualifiers,
and the fact that they extended the deadline from December
first to January twenty third, I think they're going to
blow right past sixteen. I won't be shocked that we
go to twenty four and in so doing create automatic

(06:30):
qualifiers for all those other conferences so that they can
have play in games and create some more revenue for themselves.
It doesn't seem hard for Texas Tech, who have a
couple of billionaires that are financing their recruiting and their roster.
But not everybody's blessed with oil men at the behest
of an athletic department, So fingers crossed that we can

(06:52):
come to some common sense about the economics of the game.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well, you mentioned the play in games in the future.
This weekend, maybe a big ten playoff weekend instead of
just a big ten championship weekend. We've talked to Wilner
about it, about a three versus six game, a four
versus five games.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Now you're talking that's exactly what needs to happen. It's
silly for Ohio State in Indiana to risk their rosters
to injury this week for a game that doesn't matter.
I mean, it's nice to have a big ten plaque
on your wall, but it pails in comparison to a
national championship. And if we had three versus six and
four versus five, we could solve some of the Vanderbilt problems,

(07:32):
some of the other problems in these other conferences. USC
would like to have a chance at this thing, right,
so everybody would like a chance. And that's what I
think is ultimately going to happen.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
And what's interesting about that is had we had that
system this year, the Huskies Oregon game actually would have
been for a berth for the Dogs as the sixth
spot in the playing game, because if they would have
beaten Oregon, they would have had they would have been
in a tie with Iowa, and they would have held
the strength to schedule advantage by virtue of that win

(08:04):
over Oregon, and they would have played Oregon again. We
could have had a situation where they play Oregon last
week at home and Oregon on the road at autsin
the next week. I mean, it would It would have
made last weekend a heck of a lot more entertaining
and interesting going into.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
It, and the excitement for that would have been one
of those things that I think you could have been
absolutely felt. So that's that's that's the future. We're headed
that way, I promise you.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
What is the intrigue of watching Ohio State Indiana this week?
I mean, is it just for Indiana to try to
get their first Big Ten championship game in forever? And
do you think they play harder than Ohio State because
Ohio State isn't really all that concern.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
With winning a Big Ten championship.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Oh dig it looks like you just fell off. Le mean,
get Rick back here.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
All right, no problem? Yeah, I think that's a How
cool would that have been?

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Though?

Speaker 4 (08:59):
The three versus six game? I mean I went back
and looked at it.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
If you had a three versus six and a four
versus five on this coming weekend, championship weekend, the Huskies,
if they could have pulled off that win over Oregon
instead of being a meaningless game like it was because
of the Wisconsin laws. That okay, the Husky game was meaningless,
it would have been very, very meaningful. We got Rick
neweiselback Rick that Big ten championship game coming up this week?

Speaker 4 (09:23):
What is the intrigue? Why should I watch this game?

Speaker 2 (09:26):
When I feel like, oh, you know what, there's a
chance I could watch these two teams playing like four
weeks for a national championship.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Well, the big thing in this game is the quarterbacks,
because they're playing for a Heisman trophy. If Julian Sayan
has a monster game, he's gonna be the straight arm winner,
And if Fernando Mendoza has a monster game, he's going
to be the straight arm winner. That will be the case.
If neither has a great game, and this is a
defensive tug a tug of war, then we're going to

(09:54):
see Diego Pavia from Vanderbilt win the Heisman, so's there's
some intrigue in involved. I just hope that Ryan Day
and Kurt Signetti watched eleven guys get up every time
as they cray piles on this field in Indianapolis. Be terrible.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Somebody got hurt for this one in before the playoffs, Rick,
if Texas would have played McNeese State instead of Ohio
State in the first week of the season and they
finished ten and two, would they have been in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Based on the brand? I mean, that's the same as
as Alabama being in the playoff at ten and two
having lost to Florida State. It's the same as Notre
Dame being ten and two having started the season zero
to two. We believe in brands, which is why the
Elliott Eli drinkwitz Is of the world want automatic qualifiers.
We don't start the season believing that Vanderbilt or Missouri

(10:50):
or Texas Tech can be great. We end up learning
that they can be Why use eleven and one that
still sits at eleven. But the brands, if they get
to that number, they're in because they resonate and they
sit in our minds as quality football programs, and they
also draw television ice.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Is that going to make coaches fearful, especially big time programs,
fearful to schedule those cross conference games because they can
just say, hey, cautionary tail.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Look at Texas.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
All they needed to do is play Idaho instead of
Ohio State and they'd be in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
I think the television people have too much clout for
them to be able to stop scheduling good games for
television content. So what I think is going to happen
is we're going to have some deals made amongst the
power conferences that rely on where you finished. If a
SEC finishes number one, then they're going to get an
SEC one schedule, which means that they'll play the number

(11:46):
one team at the Big Ten next year, they'll play
the number two team from the Big twelve at home,
and they'll play the number four team from the ACC
on the road. You can understand, you can follow my
logic here that they're going to have predetermined schedules that
all create great television content, but pit the good teams
against good teams so that we get some parody and

(12:09):
these other teams that are sitting in your struggle to
keep up with the Joneses in their power conferences can
get some chances to have a little bite at the apple.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Well, and to your point, if they go to a
twenty four team, then you can do more of those
things because coaches aren't afraid to lose those games, because
then you know, if you're sard, You're like, we're gonna
make the twenty four team playoff regardless.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Well you should, but you have to win, and the
television content for the fans and for everybody is important.
So my belief is that that will be the case.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
You mentioned BYU. They are stuck between Miami and Notre
Dame right now. So if BYU loses this weekend, then
presumably Miami and Notre Dame would be next to each other,
and the tournament committee, the playoff committee Cheris said, Hey,
we really haven't judged Miami and Notre Dame because they
haven't been next to each other. There's a thought that

(13:03):
now the head to head match up that Miami won
would be looked at more closely if they're next to
each other in next week's poll. So could you actually
see Miami jumping Notre Dame in that scenario or are
they pretty much stuck where they are?

Speaker 3 (13:16):
I think the committee chair, the athletic director Markansas, said
that they were in the same pool this last couple
of weeks and still they felt Notre Dame was ahead,
which is incredibly confounding given the fact that every tiebreaker
I've ever known and the same schedule, if you played
each other, then it's head to head. And yet we

(13:37):
still see Notre Dame ahead of Miami. But that being said,
if they changed that with not either team playing this week,
it would be completely ridiculous. And I just don't know
we can trust the committee. Not that I'm calling anybody
out as not doing their job. I just think the
committee thing is very very close to the ap which

(13:57):
means that you're just kind of going by and losses
and favorite teams.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
All right, Rick, I can feel your heat through the phone. Man,
You're absolutely on fire.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
Seven and two.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
At your Taco time pick of the week over the
last nine weeks, I'll take a couple of Chris Beef
burritos and some tat fries and the coke.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
That'll be my pick of the week. What is yours?

Speaker 3 (14:19):
We are going with the Ohio State Buckeyes. They're laying
five and a half and as much as I love
Kurt Signetti, and I am a devout parishioner at the
Church of Signetti. I believe the buck Eyes, with their
unbelievable stable of wide receivers and a quarterback that's sitting
close to eighty percent of his passes and a defense
that has held opponents that less than one hundred points.

(14:41):
No other team is even close to that. I am
going with the Buckeyes.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Love it, love it. We'll talk to you next week.
I like that pick. We'll see We'll see you on Thursday.
Thanks coach.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
All right, baby, talk to you soon.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
That's Rick new heisl
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