December 23, 2025 • 9 mins
Soren Petro, Radio Host with 810 WHB in Kansas City, joins Dave Softy Mahler to talk about the Chiefs’ run coming to an end this season, Patrick Mahomes’ major injury and what the future holds for Travis Kelce and Andy Reid, plus their new stadium situation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
All right, boys and girls are busy.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Tuesday Night continues right here on ninety three three kjar FM.
Petros Papadakas will join us six pm, coming up next segment.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
He's off tomorrow as all of us are for Christmas Eve.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
And we thought, you know what, there's a lot of
things on the bucket list that we haven't accomplished yet
here on this radio station in over thirty years, and
going from Siren Petro of eight ten WHB and Kansas
City to Petros Papadaccas is one thing that.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
We have not yet done.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
And we are going to do that and start the
process of going from Siren Petro to Petros Papadocus right frickin' now,
we're crossing it off the list, baby, because here he
is our friend from Kansas City eight ten WHB our
buddy Siren Petro, Senry Christmas, Happy Holidays.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
How are you, man?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
It's same to you, my friend, and everybody there in Seattle,
and it is, you know, just always a pleasure to
beyond with the true trailblazer like yourself making radio history
here today. I love it.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, no doubt, man, I'm glad that you appreciate the
impact that this moment we'll have on the radio community.
But hey, dude, lots of stuff to talk about. The
Chiefs moving back to Kansas, across the state line, the
chief season at least from a playoff perspective, coming to
an end the other week. Let's just talk about that, man,
(01:32):
Because dude, you knew at some point, like we didn't Seeattle,
the lob era was going to end at some point,
and you knew that this mahomes.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Reed Kelsey era was also going to end at some point.
I guess the.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Question is is it over or did it just hit
maybe a little bit of a speed bump here?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You know. The hope is that this is a reset,
not a rebuild. But there's no doubt. I mean, I
think you know, if the Travis Kelsey era is not
over in Kansas City, then somebody's making some big mistakes
in the front office, because I don't think he wants
to come back and play for five to seven million dollars,
which is really what his abilities warant right now. You
can't be paying him eighteen million dollars anymore. They're thirty
five million over the cap for next year, and that's
(02:13):
without all the players that are free agents and walking away.
So they have to do some serious cutting just to
be able to keep, you know, the team they've got,
let alone add to it. So I think the Kelsey
part is over. There's no better time your quarterback is rehabbing,
you know, you know you've got cap issues anyway, why
try to force it. Go ahead and pair things down,
maybe even take a step back in twenty six as well,
(02:34):
to set yourself up for the rest of Patrick mahomes
time in Kansas City. He's thirty years old this year.
Thirty one needs to be a reset so that you
can be as strong as possible for his age thirty
two to thirty seven or eight year old seasons. And
that's what you need to do. And I expect the
Chiefs to make those kind of moves.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, Saren, we saw Russell Wilson change a lot when
he was here. As a quarterback. Obviously, the older he got,
the less the legs were a factor, and he was
eventually surround to buy an entirely new roster. What does
Patrick Mahomes five seven years from now look like? Does
he look like a scrambler? Does he look like Peyton Manning?
(03:12):
Does he look like a reasonable fact simile? Talk to
me about what the fans expect and what the Chiefs
think they'll get from Mahomes in the next half decade
or so.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
You know when you're a kid and you know you
know nothing's under your bed, but you don't want to
look because you know something might be under your bed.
Like to me, the question you asked, is chiefs mans
not wanting to look under the bed? Like? Is Mahomes
going to be able to morph into just a pure
pocket passer. He's not a scrambler, He's not a run
He's a very efficient, you know, playmaker. Right. What he
(03:43):
does he knows when he can take almost always when
he takes off, he gets to the first down mark,
he gets outside, he keeps his eyes down field. He
creates opportunities to make plays. And I think anyone with
those abilities, like the guys that can really run. They
usually run too much because they grew up their whole
time in high school, Like, hey, if it's not white open,
why not just take off because I can run for
sixteen yards? You know. Mahomes is always taken off to
(04:04):
try to make a play, throwing first and then he'll
scoop for the first down, move the chains if he can.
But what happens when he can't do that, when he
can't evade, when he can't get outside. I think you
mentioned Russell Wilson. You can talk about you know a
number of guys. Donovan McNabb was suddenly old at thirty
two years old. Is that the future for Patrick Mahomes
or is the future a little more Aaron Rodgers esque
who was very good with his feet but was able
(04:25):
to just kind of evolve into more of a pocket pass.
So the hope is he's Aaron Rodgers. What do we know?
We don't know. We don't know, because I don't think
any quarterback really knows until he can't do it. I'll
say this, his spatial awareness of just where everybody is
on the field, where he is, His ability to know
what he can make it and not make it, I
think gives him the best chance to age well. But
he's gonna have to change, and the Chiefs are gonna
(04:46):
have to change what they do around him. They're going
to have to make sure that they're good at tackle.
They're going to have to make sure that they have weapons,
guys that can get open and get open quick. They're
gonna have to vary the offense. The offense already needs
an overhaul. I think it's a very scary question that
they've got to answer.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Wells Aren Petro eight Ton WHB with us. We'll get
to Petros Papadakis next segment. How about how about Andy Right?
I mean, he's sixty seven, but he's not seventy seven.
I know Pellisero and Rapaport reported over the weekend that
he's not getting fired and he's not going to retire.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Is that what you're hearing too out there?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
I've been telling you people there have been what I
will call erroneous reports, whether it was you know, from Fox,
whether it was from Pro Football Talk over the last
couple of Super Bowls and Amy Reid was mowing retirement.
You know how the Super Bowls get everybody's looking for
a new headline and they take some semi quote from
Andy Reid twisted out and try to act like he's
been thinking about retiring. I believe that the man will
coach football and tell either someone says you can't do
(05:42):
it anymore, or he physically can't do it. And I'm
not saying you know that, you know, heart attack or something,
but he's had some leg surgery, some knee surgeries. If
he can't get around the practice facility, if he can't
get around the field, then I think you would see
him step away right now. You can still do that,
I don't think. And Andy Reid is the type of
guy that he does not want to walk out on
a down year. That may mean that he digs an
even bigger hole for the Chiefs if he has lost it,
(06:03):
if the game has passed him by. But with the
success he's had in Kansas City, he's earned the right
to be the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs
a year, two long, if that's what it takes to
be sure that he doesn't have the answer. So I
think he'll want to come back as long as he's
physically capable of coming back. I'd be shocked if he didn't.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, no doubt. I mean, Saren, I gotta be honest
with you.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I was convinced that Pete Carroll would be allowed to
call his own shot in Seattle when and if the
time came, and I was wrong on that. He was
eventually fired by John Schneider and by Jody Allen. So
we'll see if if Andy Reid gets a little bit
of some different considerations from Kansas City, because I'm with you,
I think he deserves it, sir n. Speaking of the Chiefs,
(06:45):
I'm fifty two and the Chiefs have been at Arrowhead
for fifty three years.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I've literally never.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Known a Kansas City chief football team that does not
call Arrowhead Stadium home. The announcement yesterday, you guys, I
think broke the story right. A week go They're gonna
move about twenty three miles west to Kansas near the
Kansas Speedway. How big a deal is this out in
Kansas City, Missouri? And our fans fired up? Are they
(07:11):
angry about to move?
Speaker 4 (07:12):
What's the reaction both fired up and angry depends upon
which side of the state line you live on Kansas City,
And I know there are a lot of towns that
spill over into other states. You know that you know,
I think Cincinnati spills into Kentucky. You know, Saint Louis
spills into Illinois. But Kansas City really is divided by
a state line, and that's created a lot of problems.
Like you know, one side of the state line is
(07:34):
paying for all of the stadium. Meanwhile Paans on the
other side are rolling right in without having to pay
any taxes for So it's always presented challenges. There's certainly
a big rivalry going back to the Civil War between
KU and MU, between Kansas and Missouri. So you know,
Missouri people are disappointed that they're leaving. Kansas people are excited.
I really think it's the wrong way to look at it.
The bottom line is the Kansas City chief state in
Kansas City. We never got to and I think this
(07:55):
is good news. They never got to the point of
having to use other towns as scare tactics that all
of you, you don't pass the stadium, we're going to
go here. He's played it brilliantly. They told Missouri, here's
what we're looking for. They told Kansas, here's what it is.
Give us the best deals possible, and they made the
best business decision. They're what's called Star bonds that Kansas has,
which is something good only a handful of state tab
(08:16):
where basically new revenue only taxes on new revenue only
will pay the stadiums off, which allow them to offer
what is going to be up to four and a
half billion dollars for a new stadium out by Kansas
Speedway and then south of that a brand new practice
facility that the model will be the star in Frisco, Texas,
the Cowboys. Yeah, you know, training facility that has everything
(08:36):
around it. So they're gonna have two different things to
generate revenue on the side. And when you're a small
market team, that's an important part of the equation because
that local revenue isn't shared, and the Chiefs had virtually
no local revenue whatsoever around the two stadiums. The Truman
Sports Complex was revolutionary it's time, but having giant amounts
of parking lots generates no revenue other than the parking
on game days. And the Chiefs are trying to take
(08:57):
that next step and modernizes a franchise and increase their revenue.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Screen Sen you're the man. Great stuff, lots of stuff
going on out there. Have fun with it, have a
great holiday buddy, and we will talk very soon.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Man. Appreciate this, dude, Softie, you're the best.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
All my best of you and.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Your family you as well. Siren Petro.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Here we go eight ten WHB with an update from
Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
We Go from Siren Petro to
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Petros Papadakas Baby, a special edition of Petros coming up
next on ninety three to three KJRFM
This is Duke of Duke Seafood and this hour is
brought to you by Duke Seafood. Why don't you make
it at Duke's Night tonight. Reserve your table today at
Dukeseafood dot com. Now back to Sake and Dick on
Sports Radio ninety three point three KJR FM.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
All right, boys and girls are busy.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Tuesday Night continues right here on ninety three three kjar FM.
Petros Papadakas will join us six pm, coming up next segment.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
He's off tomorrow as all of us are for Christmas Eve.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
And we thought, you know what, there's a lot of
things on the bucket list that we haven't accomplished yet
here on this radio station in over thirty years, and
going from Siren Petro of eight ten WHB and Kansas
City to Petros Papadaccas is one thing that.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
We have not yet done.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
And we are going to do that and start the
process of going from Siren Petro to Petros Papadocus right frickin' now,
we're crossing it off the list, baby, because here he
is our friend from Kansas City eight ten WHB our
buddy Siren Petro, Senry Christmas, Happy Holidays.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
How are you, man?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
It's same to you, my friend, and everybody there in Seattle,
and it is, you know, just always a pleasure to
beyond with the true trailblazer like yourself making radio history
here today. I love it.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, no doubt, man, I'm glad that you appreciate the
impact that this moment we'll have on the radio community.
But hey, dude, lots of stuff to talk about. The
Chiefs moving back to Kansas, across the state line, the
chief season at least from a playoff perspective, coming to
an end the other week. Let's just talk about that, man,
(01:32):
Because dude, you knew at some point, like we didn't Seeattle,
the lob era was going to end at some point,
and you knew that this mahomes.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Reed Kelsey era was also going to end at some point.
I guess the.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Question is is it over or did it just hit
maybe a little bit of a speed bump here?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You know. The hope is that this is a reset,
not a rebuild. But there's no doubt. I mean, I
think you know, if the Travis Kelsey era is not
over in Kansas City, then somebody's making some big mistakes
in the front office, because I don't think he wants
to come back and play for five to seven million dollars,
which is really what his abilities warant right now. You
can't be paying him eighteen million dollars anymore. They're thirty
five million over the cap for next year, and that's
(02:13):
without all the players that are free agents and walking away.
So they have to do some serious cutting just to
be able to keep, you know, the team they've got,
let alone add to it. So I think the Kelsey
part is over. There's no better time your quarterback is rehabbing,
you know, you know you've got cap issues anyway, why
try to force it. Go ahead and pair things down,
maybe even take a step back in twenty six as well,
(02:34):
to set yourself up for the rest of Patrick mahomes
time in Kansas City. He's thirty years old this year.
Thirty one needs to be a reset so that you
can be as strong as possible for his age thirty
two to thirty seven or eight year old seasons. And
that's what you need to do. And I expect the
Chiefs to make those kind of moves.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, Saren, we saw Russell Wilson change a lot when
he was here. As a quarterback. Obviously, the older he got,
the less the legs were a factor, and he was
eventually surround to buy an entirely new roster. What does
Patrick Mahomes five seven years from now look like? Does
he look like a scrambler? Does he look like Peyton Manning?
(03:12):
Does he look like a reasonable fact simile? Talk to
me about what the fans expect and what the Chiefs
think they'll get from Mahomes in the next half decade
or so.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
You know when you're a kid and you know you
know nothing's under your bed, but you don't want to
look because you know something might be under your bed.
Like to me, the question you asked, is chiefs mans
not wanting to look under the bed? Like? Is Mahomes
going to be able to morph into just a pure
pocket passer. He's not a scrambler, He's not a run
He's a very efficient, you know, playmaker. Right. What he
(03:43):
does he knows when he can take almost always when
he takes off, he gets to the first down mark,
he gets outside, he keeps his eyes down field. He
creates opportunities to make plays. And I think anyone with
those abilities, like the guys that can really run. They
usually run too much because they grew up their whole
time in high school, Like, hey, if it's not white open,
why not just take off because I can run for
sixteen yards? You know. Mahomes is always taken off to
(04:04):
try to make a play, throwing first and then he'll
scoop for the first down, move the chains if he can.
But what happens when he can't do that, when he
can't evade, when he can't get outside. I think you
mentioned Russell Wilson. You can talk about you know a
number of guys. Donovan McNabb was suddenly old at thirty
two years old. Is that the future for Patrick Mahomes
or is the future a little more Aaron Rodgers esque
who was very good with his feet but was able
(04:25):
to just kind of evolve into more of a pocket pass.
So the hope is he's Aaron Rodgers. What do we know?
We don't know. We don't know, because I don't think
any quarterback really knows until he can't do it. I'll
say this, his spatial awareness of just where everybody is
on the field, where he is, His ability to know
what he can make it and not make it, I
think gives him the best chance to age well. But
he's gonna have to change, and the Chiefs are gonna
(04:46):
have to change what they do around him. They're going
to have to make sure that they're good at tackle.
They're going to have to make sure that they have weapons,
guys that can get open and get open quick. They're
gonna have to vary the offense. The offense already needs
an overhaul. I think it's a very scary question that
they've got to answer.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Wells Aren Petro eight Ton WHB with us. We'll get
to Petros Papadakis next segment. How about how about Andy Right?
I mean, he's sixty seven, but he's not seventy seven.
I know Pellisero and Rapaport reported over the weekend that
he's not getting fired and he's not going to retire.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Is that what you're hearing too out there?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
I've been telling you people there have been what I
will call erroneous reports, whether it was you know, from Fox,
whether it was from Pro Football Talk over the last
couple of Super Bowls and Amy Reid was mowing retirement.
You know how the Super Bowls get everybody's looking for
a new headline and they take some semi quote from
Andy Reid twisted out and try to act like he's
been thinking about retiring. I believe that the man will
coach football and tell either someone says you can't do
(05:42):
it anymore, or he physically can't do it. And I'm
not saying you know that, you know, heart attack or something,
but he's had some leg surgery, some knee surgeries. If
he can't get around the practice facility, if he can't
get around the field, then I think you would see
him step away right now. You can still do that,
I don't think. And Andy Reid is the type of
guy that he does not want to walk out on
a down year. That may mean that he digs an
even bigger hole for the Chiefs if he has lost it,
(06:03):
if the game has passed him by. But with the
success he's had in Kansas City, he's earned the right
to be the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs
a year, two long, if that's what it takes to
be sure that he doesn't have the answer. So I
think he'll want to come back as long as he's
physically capable of coming back. I'd be shocked if he didn't.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, no doubt. I mean, Saren, I gotta be honest
with you.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I was convinced that Pete Carroll would be allowed to
call his own shot in Seattle when and if the
time came, and I was wrong on that. He was
eventually fired by John Schneider and by Jody Allen. So
we'll see if if Andy Reid gets a little bit
of some different considerations from Kansas City, because I'm with you,
I think he deserves it, sir n. Speaking of the Chiefs,
(06:45):
I'm fifty two and the Chiefs have been at Arrowhead
for fifty three years.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I've literally never.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Known a Kansas City chief football team that does not
call Arrowhead Stadium home. The announcement yesterday, you guys, I
think broke the story right. A week go They're gonna
move about twenty three miles west to Kansas near the
Kansas Speedway. How big a deal is this out in
Kansas City, Missouri? And our fans fired up? Are they
(07:11):
angry about to move?
Speaker 4 (07:12):
What's the reaction both fired up and angry depends upon
which side of the state line you live on Kansas City,
And I know there are a lot of towns that
spill over into other states. You know that you know,
I think Cincinnati spills into Kentucky. You know, Saint Louis
spills into Illinois. But Kansas City really is divided by
a state line, and that's created a lot of problems.
Like you know, one side of the state line is
(07:34):
paying for all of the stadium. Meanwhile Paans on the
other side are rolling right in without having to pay
any taxes for So it's always presented challenges. There's certainly
a big rivalry going back to the Civil War between
KU and MU, between Kansas and Missouri. So you know,
Missouri people are disappointed that they're leaving. Kansas people are excited.
I really think it's the wrong way to look at it.
The bottom line is the Kansas City chief state in
Kansas City. We never got to and I think this
(07:55):
is good news. They never got to the point of
having to use other towns as scare tactics that all
of you, you don't pass the stadium, we're going to
go here. He's played it brilliantly. They told Missouri, here's
what we're looking for. They told Kansas, here's what it is.
Give us the best deals possible, and they made the
best business decision. They're what's called Star bonds that Kansas has,
which is something good only a handful of state tab
(08:16):
where basically new revenue only taxes on new revenue only
will pay the stadiums off, which allow them to offer
what is going to be up to four and a
half billion dollars for a new stadium out by Kansas
Speedway and then south of that a brand new practice
facility that the model will be the star in Frisco, Texas,
the Cowboys. Yeah, you know, training facility that has everything
(08:36):
around it. So they're gonna have two different things to
generate revenue on the side. And when you're a small
market team, that's an important part of the equation because
that local revenue isn't shared, and the Chiefs had virtually
no local revenue whatsoever around the two stadiums. The Truman
Sports Complex was revolutionary it's time, but having giant amounts
of parking lots generates no revenue other than the parking
on game days. And the Chiefs are trying to take
(08:57):
that next step and modernizes a franchise and increase their revenue.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Screen Sen you're the man. Great stuff, lots of stuff
going on out there. Have fun with it, have a
great holiday buddy, and we will talk very soon.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Man. Appreciate this, dude, Softie, you're the best.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
All my best of you and.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Your family you as well. Siren Petro.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Here we go eight ten WHB with an update from
Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
We Go from Siren Petro to
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Petros Papadakas Baby, a special edition of Petros coming up
next on ninety three to three KJRFM
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